I think wedding DJs would love to see an experiment where you set up microphones at a "ceremony" site with nobody there and then test the signal as people fill in the seats
Great test brother. I regularly use the Shure QLXD with halfwave antennas for Dj and live sound applications. With the halfwaves, I've literally been over 200 feet and with a building between me and the receiver. Works flawlessly.
One of the key things about fin or paddle antennas is that you can position them optimally, rather than having them in the rack. I've tested a Yagi antenna (built specifially for UK's channel 38 (606.5 to 613.5MHz), and managed to get over a mile comfortably. Over a mile is silly, but it means I'm never going to have to worry in a football stadium!
I just ordered this system for wedding ceremonies can’t wait for it to come in. For an extra $30 should I just order the 1/2 wave dipole antenna? I don’t need distance really just trying to prevent dropouts. Will save up for the fins if they will help.
Thanks for the test. Not sure if you tried this in reverse, ie walking back to camera, but would be interesting to know the results with the transmitter / antenna behind her body... I'd guess much shorter range?
Great job and both entertaining and learning. Would you do the experiment again with the transmitter in her frontpocket, just to se how much one body have influence on the signal :-)
Kia ora Ben & Team. Great practical experiment, Thanks. Do you have any insight into the cross-compatibility of the EW-D range with the previous G3/4 aerials and splitters? I'm ultimately curious whether adding some of these new units to our inventory will require that we invest in new splitter/aerials immediately, or whether we can use our existing components (ASA214 and Omni paddles), if only for the short-medium term. The resources from Sennheiser haven't yet been clear on this.
thats a fine demonstration, but can you go to somewhere like downtown los angeles and do the same testing, where there are a bunch of obstacles in the line of sight? thanks
Cool video. I am hiring that accountant if I could find her. I picked up dipoles immediately as they are not much. Plan on getting the UHF Directional and a mic stand. Are you running the splitter appliance as well and two UHF Directional antennas at once? Would it work to run just one UHF Directional antenna off a mic stand right into the EW-D appliance?
I loved this presentation and the goofy humor. I just replaced my 100g 3 600mz systems with the 500g 4 AW+ system. I haven't experimented with digital yet and was wondering how the analog system compares to digital in the sence of range and power level settings?
These digital systems only have a single power setting. The EW-D are less vulnerable to intermodulation due to their extremely linear tuning and they have a higher tolerance for noise/signal loss, but the EW300/500 is almost certainly a better option for longer range applications. Engineering is always a series of trade-offs and each system has it's pros and cons.
Great video! I have just purchased an ew-d set with the handheld mic, looking at getting another, and had a question. If I want to use 2 receivers, can I use the Sennheiser ASP212 to combine the two receivers and use just two antennas? I am only using really short cable runs, thanks in advance 👍🏻
I have always used the EW 100 G4, G3 Velcroed to the top of a PA for most ceremonies that I do. Works outstanding. How much of an advantage would it be for me stop using the EW body pack receiver and switch to the EM 100 rack mount store with the antennas?
Ben would this "Sennheiser EWD Antenna HW-R 1/2 Wave Dipole Antenna - R Band" work with this "Sennheiser XSW 2-835 Wireless Handheld Microphone System - A Range".
Hi Ben Great video, thanks for the demo What was the exact model numbe for the LPA antennas you were using for this demo and has there been a newer model of antenna added since this video? Thanks
2 antennas allows you to use the diversity tuning that your system (probably) has. There are several types of diversity, but all require 2 antennas. Using one antenna gives you only one path and makes you more vulnerable to multi-path nulls, obstructions, etc. So, while 1 antenna would work, you would indeed be "getting away with it" and 2 is best.
This is great although I would love a more real-world test Like here I am at a horse show The person riding the horse in the arena is wearing a lapel there are dropouts probably because when they're in the corners of the arena there are cars parked against it so now the signal's going straight through some cars for line of sight Also there's like a mesh metal fence in front of the arena don't know if that's an issue too.
For the purpose of this test it's really only critical that the pack stays in the same spot relative to all antennas. While we would certainly expect some signal attenuation from being in front of her it would be the same relative to all antennas so the relational difference would be the same.
Thanks for the vid. What is so special about these Sennheiser paddle antennas that make it different from say shures shark fin or other paddles in the market?
The short answer is that they are all pretty similar, the longer answer is that the EW-D has an extremely linear tuning which makes them less vulnerable to intermod, but as a consequence all of the supporting hardware had to be modified to support that. This includes these antennas, the lav mics that plug into them, etc. Using devices that are "leakier" will cause some of those intermod artifacts to come back into play.
Hello. Can you tell me what kind of stand the antennas are on? I am considering purchasing a mic distribution system with directional antennas but it doesn't come with stands for the antennas.
@@dennyd935 - Yes, but with the EW-D you need to use the new EW-D ASA which preserves the linear tuning. Please contact NLFX for special pricing on this.
While nice, that is not real world. Get a bunch of bags of water, i.e. humans between the transmitter and receiver and see how the systems work. I have my quarter waves drop out at 50’ during weddings more often than I’d like to admit.
I think wedding DJs would love to see an experiment where you set up microphones at a "ceremony" site with nobody there and then test the signal as people fill in the seats
Yeah, wanted to know how well it does with a packed crowd simulated.
@@wahidpawana424 - This is a cool idea, I'll see if we can find a group of "extras" to come help crowd our room.
absolutely
"Hope is NOT a plan!" Love this quote
Great test brother. I regularly use the Shure QLXD with halfwave antennas for Dj and live sound applications. With the halfwaves, I've literally been over 200 feet and with a building between me and the receiver. Works flawlessly.
I'd love to see this test run with the older analog system for comparison to see if the new digital is better or worse.
One of the key things about fin or paddle antennas is that you can position them optimally, rather than having them in the rack.
I've tested a Yagi antenna (built specifially for UK's channel 38 (606.5 to 613.5MHz), and managed to get over a mile comfortably. Over a mile is silly, but it means I'm never going to have to worry in a football stadium!
Love to see a comparison between uni and omni directional log periodic antennas, and maybe a comparison between omni and 1/2 waves. Thanks!
Good stuff. Thanks for creating and sharing
Thanks Ben for the great content!
Very informative and nicely done !!
great video Ben, keep rockin' steady
Awesome test! And those results are a-freakin-mazing!
Any mic stand will do, we have these in stock right now: www.nlfxpro.com/standard-12-round-base-mic-stand/
Thanks for the video! I'm watching from Cape Coral! So I love her shirt.
Even if I already know the answer I love your presentations :)
This was fantastic!
I just ordered this system for wedding ceremonies can’t wait for it to come in. For an extra $30 should I just order the 1/2 wave dipole antenna? I don’t need distance really just trying to prevent dropouts. Will save up for the fins if they will help.
You need some people blocking the signal as an a regular event to really know how good they are
Thank you so much for the content
Thanks for the test. Not sure if you tried this in reverse, ie walking back to camera, but would be interesting to know the results with the transmitter / antenna behind her body... I'd guess much shorter range?
Hi folks - revisiting this video. Enjoyed very much. What about a belt pack on the other side of the body, ie sheltered by the body?
Great job and both entertaining and learning. Would you do the experiment again with the transmitter in her frontpocket, just to se how much one body have influence on the signal :-)
Kia ora Ben & Team. Great practical experiment, Thanks.
Do you have any insight into the cross-compatibility of the EW-D range with the previous G3/4 aerials and splitters?
I'm ultimately curious whether adding some of these new units to our inventory will require that we invest in new splitter/aerials immediately, or whether we can use our existing components (ASA214 and Omni paddles), if only for the short-medium term.
The resources from Sennheiser haven't yet been clear on this.
The antennas for G3/4 aren't compatible with EW-D series.
thats a fine demonstration, but can you go to somewhere like downtown los angeles and do the same testing, where there are a bunch of obstacles in the line of sight? thanks
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Would one of the Paddle antennas outperform two 1/2 Wave antennas? Using as a wedding DJ for speeches
Cool video. I am hiring that accountant if I could find her. I picked up dipoles immediately as they are not much. Plan on getting the UHF Directional and a mic stand. Are you running the splitter appliance as well and two UHF Directional antennas at once? Would it work to run just one UHF Directional antenna off a mic stand right into the EW-D appliance?
Great vid thank you for sharing!
Where can we purchase the Long Range 1/2 Antenna or The Wave / Boosted Antenna You Used In this Video?
Hey there! Sorry for the delayed response, you can find the antenna on our website here: www.nlfxpro.com/adp-uhf-passive-directional-antenna/
I loved this presentation and the goofy humor. I just replaced my 100g 3 600mz systems with the 500g 4 AW+ system. I haven't experimented with digital yet and was wondering how the analog system compares to digital in the sence of range and power level settings?
These digital systems only have a single power setting. The EW-D are less vulnerable to intermodulation due to their extremely linear tuning and they have a higher tolerance for noise/signal loss, but the EW300/500 is almost certainly a better option for longer range applications. Engineering is always a series of trade-offs and each system has it's pros and cons.
Great video! I have just purchased an ew-d set with the handheld mic, looking at getting another, and had a question. If I want to use 2 receivers, can I use the Sennheiser ASP212 to combine the two receivers and use just two antennas? I am only using really short cable runs, thanks in advance 👍🏻
I have always used the EW 100 G4, G3 Velcroed to the top of a PA for most ceremonies that I do. Works outstanding. How much of an advantage would it be for me stop using the EW body pack receiver and switch to the EM 100 rack mount store with the antennas?
Ben would this "Sennheiser EWD Antenna HW-R 1/2 Wave Dipole Antenna - R Band" work with this "Sennheiser XSW 2-835 Wireless Handheld Microphone System - A Range".
Does this antenna work with the xsw1 835a ?
Hi Ben
Great video, thanks for the demo
What was the exact model numbe for the LPA antennas you were using for this demo and has there been a newer model of antenna added since this video?
Thanks
@thedjgazza - These were the Sennheiser ADP UHF. That is the current model.
@@benstowe7433
Thanks for the info 😊
Hey guys I always see 2 antennas at events, could I get away with 1? Why do I always see 2 antennas? Thanks guys.
2 antennas allows you to use the diversity tuning that your system (probably) has. There are several types of diversity, but all require 2 antennas. Using one antenna gives you only one path and makes you more vulnerable to multi-path nulls, obstructions, etc. So, while 1 antenna would work, you would indeed be "getting away with it" and 2 is best.
This is great although I would love a more real-world test
Like here I am at a horse show The person riding the horse in the arena is wearing a lapel there are dropouts probably because when they're in the corners of the arena there are cars parked against it so now the signal's going straight through some cars for line of sight
Also there's like a mesh metal fence in front of the arena don't know if that's an issue too.
you should have done a test with the pack on the front. Its not always gonna be facing the antenna.
For the purpose of this test it's really only critical that the pack stays in the same spot relative to all antennas. While we would certainly expect some signal attenuation from being in front of her it would be the same relative to all antennas so the relational difference would be the same.
Let's see a test within a building or office for film and tv situations.
Two paddles would be required? Is that correct? Do the half waves angle like the quarter waves do?
Thanks for the vid. What is so special about these Sennheiser paddle antennas that make it different from say shures shark fin or other paddles in the market?
The short answer is that they are all pretty similar, the longer answer is that the EW-D has an extremely linear tuning which makes them less vulnerable to intermod, but as a consequence all of the supporting hardware had to be modified to support that. This includes these antennas, the lav mics that plug into them, etc. Using devices that are "leakier" will cause some of those intermod artifacts to come back into play.
What stands are those holding the antennas ?
Would the half wave dipoles help increase rf signal for sennheiser iem g4 twin A1 transmitter? Or are they only used for receiving signal?
Hello. Can you tell me what kind of stand the antennas are on? I am considering purchasing a mic distribution system with directional antennas but it doesn't come with stands for the antennas.
Any mic stand will do, we have these in stock right now: www.nlfxpro.com/standard-12-round-base-mic-stand/
Can you use 2 sennheiser receivers with one lpa
You would have to work in an antenna splitter like the ASA-214. www.nlfxpro.com/asa-214-uhf/
Thanks Lou
@@dennyd935 - Yes, but with the EW-D you need to use the new EW-D ASA which preserves the linear tuning. Please contact NLFX for special pricing on this.
What is the price on the lpa
Please contact NLFX for special pricing.
Great video! Does Sennheiser have 1/2wave antennas which suits G4 series?
Yes!! Please contact customercare@nlfxpro.com and one of our reps can hook you up.
I wonder what would happen with a paddle on one side and a 1/2 wave whip on the other. Just urious
While nice, that is not real world. Get a bunch of bags of water, i.e. humans between the transmitter and receiver and see how the systems work. I have my quarter waves drop out at 50’ during weddings more often than I’d like to admit.
Get a pair of shark fins and it will push the signal through a herd of cattle!
Teraz poproszę test w warunkach bojowych. 3000 ludzi z telefonami
Painful first 3 minutes...
Of course they matter!