As a person that only watches the TH-cam videos of your content. I myself and probably others don’t have the time to watch a stream. That’s why I listen to the content at work. Plus it seems more eventful watching the videos than a live stream.
Same, I watch these videos like a podcast. I think Destiny would destroy the competition if he started a podcast. I went from Rogan, to Lex, to Destiny / a bunch of other TH-cam / podcasters. The reason I don't watch the stream is because I don't care about his stupid drama shit. This was actually very interesting.
I think I agree with Dan's position about YT being bad about streaming even though I think the point he made was bad. YT has a bright red circle around the channel avatar when they are live, and are always top when viewing subscriptions tab. Which means I can find streams in my subscriptions, and discovering new channels will show the stream too.
@@oscar12ty no I made it up I have no idea 😂. But personally i and everyone I know doesn’t use their sub boxes anymore and just relies on recommended/ home to show them new videos from channels they watch. The same kind of curated feed has been popular on all platforms for a while. Twitter will show you lots of varied tweets (not necessarily people you follow) same with insta Facebook. Everything
It just feels like an interesting talk without any dumb takes, destiny having to defend herself or destiny trying to explain a simple concept for an hour with the whole argument falling apart cause the debate partner does not understand the concept of accepting other people's opinions or even points of view.
@Honerkamp It just feels nice to have a person on stream who isn't a Muslim in a ski mask who yells or an e-girl whose gimmick is liking hasan and selling lewds as a virgin.
1:16:11 youtube doesn’t want people watching YT live streams, they want the streamers to post the video on the site so people can keep watching it with infinite ads for years to come
Can someone explain to me what the controversy is? I watched a video that just looked like a person talking about having a partnership with bud light. I don't understand.
@@shareyy8129I personally just saw an executive insulting their customer base and decided "well I guess I'll go with another beer next time I go to the store", I dont buy from companies that openly show disdain for their customers and I think that's pretty reasonable
"brand risk" has always seemed like an advertising term for companies that care more about other things than just getting enough about just getting eyeballs on their product. Its such a boardroom thing to say "omg, our Ford vehicle is on the news being driven by a potential murderer this is going to tank our brand" or "oh no, our content is appearing alongside controversial content or TOS breaking content where some guy talks about current events" but it's also appearing on news segments where they show children being gas attacked or something. Basically they are just looking to prevent a bud light syle backlash but their idea about what causes it has such a hair trigger that they don't actually understand what even happened let alone how to prevent it
@johnblackburn9574 the issue is it was a can of beer. Thats it that was the problem. It wasnt on the can of beer they SELL. It was sent directly to trans person. In essence its cringe.
@johnblackburn9574😂 I guess u are a right winger Lying again cause flipping the eff out over a picture on bottle is the heights of cancel culture but u gotta put it out there that the left did it. Because right w ing brainwashed omg dats communism! are pearl clutching a holes who must lie like it's impossible for you not to lie for right wing cultists
@johnblackburn9574 Okay please read what I said again, I’m specifically talking about budlight, not any other company. Yes, plenty of companies have made whole advertisements, and shoved it down our throats, but BUDLIGHT didn’t shove anything down our throats, conservatives shoved one sponsorship down our throats because it was made by one of the most obnoxious, hopefully inadvertently offensive, most caricatural person ever. Now arguably conservatives did that because eventually it was going to happen and that sponsorship was just the beginning, and that’s probably fair, but it doesn’t change the fact that budlight didn’t shove anything down our throats.
I work in commercial banking, specially in risk. Reputational risk has become very worried about what’s going on. Especially with the fact that the bank I work for takes big political stances that are considered “woke”
Long standing brands should NOT even speak on political/ social issues. This is why it was considered standard to not even bring up religion or politics in everyday conversation, up until the 2010s. Unless you're a new brand, and want to purposely market to only half the population (which may be successful, cause you could maybe get that full half to be super loyal to you ) Another approach could be to split your brand into two brands: one that markets to the left, and one to the right.
A person appearing on an ad is not, under normal circumstances, a political issue; It only became one because right-wingers are openly trying to ostracize traspeople the way it used to be 20 years ago. The equivalent to this insanity would be people boycotting an ad because it is featuring a cis-person. You're blatantly and unapologetically saying that trans people can only work in "left" spaces. It is because this kind of mostruosity that brands must do the exact opposite of what you're saying,.
@@r.m8146 So you acknowledge that the political landscape of America is not normal, but you don't think that brands should account for that when advertising... You know their goal is to make money right? Not to be political activists. Any political message they have will be performative, whether it's for the right or the left.
@r.m8146 you're really twisting my words to make me look like a jerk. Lol. I don't personally care what people /movements brands associate with. It makes no difference to me. I don't even care about different peoples ideologies, because I can separate that from the person. But it's not about me. It's about those brands being concerned about losing half their consumer base over night. I can personally talk about stuff like this without getting riled up, but I fully understand why some people can't, and that's why brands should market the brand itself, instead of things that have zero to do with it. As far as I was concerned, I just think Dylan is funny and thought she was a funny celebrity to have in a commercial, but what you said about the rights' views on trans people is either misinformed on your part, or simply disingenuous. People in the right feel like there is a creepy agenda to push sexuality on their kids at too early of an age, under the disguise of acceptance of the LGBTQ. Whether that is actually true or not, I can't tell you. But you can't blame people for thinking like that when their mental gears are already turning that way. They simply want things less sexualized (gay, straight, bi, etc.) It's just a touchy subject that will almost always create tension. And that's the reason we used to talk about this stuff less, and people got along better. It's the same reason the left would get upset if the right was throwing Christianity into every ad. You don't care that people are Christians. You just dont want to hear about it. It doesn't mean you're denying their existence, or wish bad on them. Sounds reasonable to me from both sides, until you guys start getting mad, and point fingers, while ignoring the fact that you both do the same shit. Everyone who has finally separated themselves from right/ left realizes you both have fair points, but also both act like complete idiots, and that you BOTH are the problem.... a very very bad problem. Take a chill pill. 😎
@@r.m8146 you do realize that the whole appearance was a political statement, so one way or another you would piss some group of people off, Would you feel any different if Kayne West sponsored Deviantart or something? This isn't just a right-winger thing its both parties flipping a shit over the littlest thing
Devin saying they don't need to monetise... what? 400 dollars lifetime earnings at 2.4% conversion means they make around 10 dollars per person over their lifetime. Which means xQC alone has to bring in 10,000,000 users just to break even in 20-25 years. No way that's enough to warrant these investments.
Why would they willingly tank their business? And also, even if they did, you don't think all the egirls would just move over to fansly or some shit? Cat's outta the bag now, one company failing ain't gonna do shit.
If I have to hear the words "brand risk" one more time, I'm gonna lose it. This whole concept is vomit inducing. PayPal literally controls who makes money and how it is made online, and these same companies will run ads on live news coverage of a school shooting but won't risk their ad being next to some edgelord online. Double Standard
The social media landscape made everyone feel like they need to constantly say something or pick a side and it’s not optimal for business. Social media skews young, and young skew left, so everyone thinks it’s insanely popular to just always adopt the left viewpoint publicly. Look at the NBA, they went from Michael Jordan saying “Republicans buy sneakers too” and welcoming them to the game, to LeBron James and the NBA brass openly standing against conservatives in every way possible even literally saying they don’t want them to watch. And as expected, this caused their popularity in America to plummet. Just one example how social media broke people’s brains but this is all over not just the NBA.
Destiny is right about viewer types at least anecdotally with people I know. I know pretty much nobody who is interested in a live stream unless it just happens to be on, and even then they would rather wait for the vod. The people I know that really like streams watch them regularly. I almost never watch a stream but I watch mostly longform content in general. The example of moist critical just shows he got stream viewers not that his youtube people watch his stream.
Yeah this is me. I will wait for the vod. Dunno what it is about livestreaming but I just don't desire it. Maybe it feels more vulnerable knowing that it's live so who knows what will happen. Some people enjoy watching other people get in car accidents. I don't.
The reason people became more productive is because they were working longer hours since they weren't wasting time on a commute and also there's less of a mental barrier between work and home when your work is on a laptop you can access at any tine
Inherintly - all the discussion of Stake being intertwined has only been the best PR in regards to awareness. Which means they don’t even need to integrate Stake into Kick but people think of Stake top of mind when they hear kick cause of the PR chaos.
Dan is absolutely kidding himself on the work from home point. Truly spoken like a C level big wig who has forgotten who is down in the dirt making the business money. It is an absolute fact that WTH is not for every corporate culture, not for every employee, and not for every position. But that genie is out of the bottle and theres no going back. Too much dead weight got exposed in the shift.
Yeah no one at my company wants to go back to the office including the managers and directors. The biggest concern people have is it might displace local workers with out of state workers but that can be managed.
My company is failing hard to get everyone back in the office. We’re on our second “relaunch” of coming in three days a week, and the office is a ghost town I doubt even 10% of depts are complying. Meanwhile the C-suite calls into every town hall from their spacious home just totally tone def
Companies have the final say, the workers have no power because there will always be qualified people who want those sort of jobs and be fine with working in an office. Hybrid will almost certainly be the new standard.
My company is also trying to get people back in office. Even the city is mad that people are working from home. And the food vendors are mad at the city lmao
@@azure_azure You are so wrong it's funny, this only applies to entry level phone jobs that 19 year olds take. Anyone with a valuable skill set already made the decision last year when the companies all tried to push everyone back in office. They simply left to other companies, even taking small pay cuts. 90% of people are okay with hybrid schedules, no one needs to be in the office more then 1-2 days a week. This is what my company settled at and everyone is very happy with it.
In the YT to streaming conversion convo 1:12:33 , I think they glossed over how vod vs streaming tends to be a different audience? I cant get into streaming at all, but will munch through multiple hour long clips.
As far as I can tell. The more brands stay away from specific social/political issues, the better. Gernalities are fine for the most part. "Inclusion" and diversity may be the next realm though, I think there is a very simple way to advertise in that world.
Remember when Destiny said he didn't think any of these boycotts meant anything and that "lol go woke go broke is such a meme". The reason brands being woke is even a thing is because of fear. It only makes sense that the reverse would also be true in certain circumstances where they are afraid of opposing backlash. Then there's even the middle where backlash and people arguing is a marketing ploy. The idea that any of these is a meme or nonexistent is pathetically illogical.
@@limitedhangoutlive That boycotters shouldn't feel so powerful for shitting on one of many shades of garbage piss water. "Go woke go broke" is absolutely a meme in the holistic scheme of national commerce; just don't be clueless morons about who your customers are. I don't know how you didn't get my point lol.
I think I heard him brought up the "go woke go broke is a meme" during the conversation where he defends corporations tend to hire foreign non white workers. In which case, it makes sense that any corporations would present themselves as inclusive instead of, well, exclusively favoring white people.
Depending on the way the stream is implemented, it may be impossible to query the number of viewers. What may happen is that a viewer will send a signal to the server saying they are watching. That cannot happen every second because the server cannot handle it. Servers cannot always query viewers because a server does not communicate proactively. The client, or viewer, has to request data for the server to do anything and the server cannot request anything from the client. There are ways around this via sockets but even then, the server would have to store the id of every concurrent viewer and track when they log in or out of the stream which is complicated and error prone so it is much easier to just let the client ping the server every couple of minutes.
As an example he thought xqc and adin etc would get sued for dmca immediately and then realized nothing was being done at all to hurt them Hes a little pup and doesn't understand much
The reason watching videos is better is so I can skip to boring debates/content. I don't feel like I need to participate in a live chat and video format is so much more convenient.
Dan is really off (at least in my experience) for TH-cam conversion to streaming. There are content creators that I will have watched for insane amounts of hours, I hop into their streams once or twice (because TH-cam let me know after I finished one of their videos that they were streaming) and then have a thoroughly unengaging time compared to the videos and never watch again. The only streams I "consistently" watched was some like 5-10 viewer streams on Twitch for a month or so at a time because that was basically just hanging out in a Discord server with a guy except I am watching them play a game we both enjoy. Streaming is just such a fundamentally different experience than watching TH-cam videos and it has such little or no appeal to me overall.
Yeah i totally love tuning in to destiny watching a 7 hour video of some transdude I will never see again talking about why he left TYT. Bless based August he saves me so much time with his work.
yeah I have probably 200 hours of watching destiny TH-cam videos. I have a few hours of watching a racing game streamer. The viewer base is completely distinct.
This talk about "brand risk" is so incredibly dumb to me because it just wasn't an issue 20-30 years ago. Companies would gladly sponsor a show that talks about serial killers, nazis or whatever explicit adult or politically incorrect content. It was never viewed as a risk or a liability because it was widely understood that the opinions expressed in a show didn't represent the opinion of the sponsors. Duh. They didn't have to align at all but now they do need to align because of social media. Except they actually don't. The only reason sponsors feel like they need to align with the creator now is because of cancel culture and that's because of the importance and power they willingly decided to give to twitter activists. If no one cares about what those dumb morons whine about then there is no issue. So you're already screwing up from the start by giving a minority group importance, power and control over you and over the culture. I didn't quite understand why companies were so eager to go woke because it sounds incredibly stupid from a business perspective. Like why anger and turn away 50% of the population in order to pander to 0.003%. Now I understand that it's because of the incredibly creepy ESG system they implemented. Corporations are now incentivized to be ideologically driven in order to get a high ESG score which can mean more money, bigger loans, tax cuts and whatever other benefit. And maybe in their mind companies with high ESG meant safe to invest into but now we can clearly see that's not the case at all because of the conservative boycotts. Like Michael Jordan used to say: "Conservatives buy Nike shoes too." so it will always be a very bad idea to spit on them or refuse their money.
Well yeah there's ESG, but corps were ideologically-driven long before that. The decades that the HR bureaucracy was allowed to fester; itself a result of civil rights act law.
@@PunchmemommyIndeed when the religious right was trying to censor Mortal Kombat, Pokemon, Harry Potter and MTG in the 90s what happened? We all despised the religious right with a passion. It led to a huge revolt against religion in general and it's why the atheist movement exploded in popularity. Now the exact same thing is happening again but to a more obnoxious and unhealthy degree. Woke people are trying to censor, doxx, harass, deplatform and get people fired. So naturally more and more people from all sides despise them. The unfortunate part is that the rainbow flag has sort of become associated with wokeness (because of ESG imo) and most of the lgbtq didn't vote for wokeness to be their religion I'm sure. Their movement was hijacked by far left ideologues. I hate wokeness, not gays and trans. Many conservatives though don't see the difference anymore and conflate the two. That sucks because in my ideal world black people, lgbtq and conservatives should unite to fight wokeness lol. But wokeness I believe was designed to divide and conquer. To keep everyone fighting and hating each other instead of joining forces to make meaningful change.
Just sayin, Christians started this way before cancel culture occurred. And Christians would still do it if they had any meaningful power left in this country.
@@PoliMaster64 It takes a truly braindead person to think that a mutli-national corporation can just stomach their biggest brand, in their biggest market tanking. even if it is only like 4-5%, these companies run on ultra thin margins
Brands are far too concerned with their image. If you put up a billboard in a shitty part of town, no one really correlates the meth head under it to the vegan propaganda on it. As long as you're not directly sponsoring someone, I don't think people really care where your ad is. No one is going to get mad because Nike had a banner ad on a site that everyone knows anyone can post anything to. That's why they still advertise on Twitter.
*THIS.* The problem is that these brands are WAY too sp!neless to just ignore the tiny percentage of vocal cryba bies that actually care. If they simply ignored them, they'd be fine.
Back in 2017, it did. there was an incident where a random Coke ad was played before a terrorist vid and some idiot journos somehow conflated it with Coke directly sponsoring it. So they then made a hit piece smearing Coke and TH-cam about it and also at that time the Pewdiepie bridge/cardboard jew incident happened which prompted another hit piece calling TH-cam a breeding ground for far-right extremists. Advertisers panicked and started pulling their ads which then caused TH-cam to panic and implement the dreaded demonetisation symbol we see today. That was the adpocalypse...
You can easily flip this argument to say Republicans complain about cancel culture until it works in their favor. And even that is dubious because they destroyed a company that mostly catered to right wing people and donated to right wing causes. Same with Disney which heavily donated to republican campaigns but then said they would stop after desantis pulled his crap.
You think the right has principles? Weren't the right pro censorship back in the day when they had the keys of the house and now they're all about free speech advocation and having conversations because "the only way to defeat bad ideas is with good and better ones"?
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy Cancel culture doesnt exist because it always existed lol is not a phenomenon. The right has being cancelling people since the beggining of time but is only a problem when they lose their cultural grasp and people start doing it to them lmao
What Dan isn't factoring into the working from home vs. going to the office is the expense cuts for both employers and employees. Obviously if my employer can get away with having an office that's only 30% the size of our prior operation that's a huge saving. As an employee, if I don't have to waste 1-3 hours of my day on getting ready for work + commute, and can live wherever I want and have zero transport costs related to my job I'm willing to take a very significant pay cut, because that still leaves me with the same amount of money in my account at the end of the month + more free time and energy. In every way except for dead weight slackers this is a more efficient solution.
Listening to Devin, Dan and Destiny talk about programming is insane. Elon fired a bunch of the people who weren't middle-managers, and kept a bunch who were. Meta just picked up a bunch of amazing programmers there, who launched Threads. Twitter have had a bunch of issues since firing a bunch of staff, engagement and advertiser spend are off a cliff. Work from home is more efficient for some tasks, and less for others. Our company has had a roughly 10% increase in efficiency since switching to mostly WFH, that's stayed the entire time. The reason Devin and Dan can't understand this is programming is a very difficult, very high-focus job. Unlike management. Open office plans are fucking awful for programming, maybe one of the single worst things that ever happened to productivity in programming. There is some argument for hybrid work, there are some tasks and positions that are highly team focused and those can benefit from face-to-face communication. The same thing with mentoring and code review. But the actual day-to-day work is hamstrung by terrible open office plans.
If you think Threads is any better than twitter, you are wrong and with regulations on the a$$ of Meta and EU disliking them and they won't launch in EU because "complexities with complying with some of the laws coming into effect next year" according to the IG CEO. And EU won't back down (ofc you can find some work around but again most normies won't do it)
37:30 I feel like an underappreciated aspect of different viewership/engagement especially on TH-cam content, is the AGE of a particular account... IMO, the older an account is, the more likely it is that the followers built up over time are not longer as engaged (or maybe not engaged at all) any more. The subscriber number is still high, but the number of 'active subscribers' (not a metric, just a short-hand I'm using) is most likely a much, much smaller number. Tiny has built his channels up really quickly over the past few years, so the 'active subscriber' ratio is probably much, much higher compared to people of a similar/larger size.
never heard the word "like" said so often. this entire video is like like like like like like like like like like like and i cannot unhear it or focus on anything else
Regarding the kick stuff. Who the hell cares that it's promoting gambling? Why is gambling all of a sudden such a taboo subject? Legal Alcohol, Weed, Cigarettes, all can be done irresponsibly and be very dangerous to you in many ways. But god forbid someone gambles? What is this obsession with controlling people's lives? And if the argument is about kids, it's the parent's responsibility not to allow their kid to use a credit card irresponsibly, regardless of how impossible it is to input age restrictions on the internet.
Not aure about Kick and Alfa Romeo F1 sponsorship. I see more photo's with Stake on the side of the f1 car as opposed to Kick. I think they might have switched it. End of january they announced the Kick parnership. 7th of feb they showed the new C43 alfa romeo model with Stake sponsorship on it..
kick should develop a good streaming app that both supports kick as well as twitch on the same page. imo the only way to beat a monopoly like kick, twitter or reddit is to either destroy it from the inside or make the competition not only better, but also easy to switch to without a strong disadvantage, which in the social network and content creation area is an userbase that not only exists but also seeks what is sold to them. having a "fake decentralized" platform that merges multiple sites will help that a lot if it ever becomes popular.
Dan is wrong about concurrent viewers. It is hard to get live numbers of collections of anything on a large platform. As a dev, I can build a site that updates all relevant parties when an action affects a count on their specific view, but this becomes incredibly complex once a site scales to multiple virtual servers where the tcp connections and/or sockets aren't all open on a single instance. To do this you need some very complex orchestration logic with ACID compliant schemas to make sure data is deduplicated and data persisted accurately for historical uses. All of this spirals even more when you consider regionality and caching. In my projects I'll often put an expensive query on a polling schedule so it only happens every xx seconds and then when the info is requested, it gets cached and that's what the user will see until the next poll.
I actually love watching all of the "experts" in DGG come out of the woodworks whenever someone like Devin Nash comes on, triggered out of their minds.
Why have I seen portions of this conversation like 3 times now? Can't I just get the whole Devin conversation? I have no idea if I need to skip ahead in this or if it's all just stuff I've heard already.
I have not seen the 3 vids you are talking about but an explaination could be that destiny said his youtube editor gets around 45% of his youtube revenue.
Just spitballing here, but if Kick has ownership stake in Alfa Romeo they could get a cut of their winnings which are quite substantial. That is what it sounds like is going on to me.
Dan is so wrong on the Remote Work issue. The problem for a company demanding that it's talent come back to the office is on multiple levels. For one, companies aren't going to all band together to force everyone back in the office. Company A says that they are requiring all employees back in the office, then Company B is going to use that as an opportunity to hire that talent themselves by allowing them to work remotely and not having to pay them more. Not only that, but Company B is saving on office space. The other issue is that many companies have already hired people from across the country to work remotely. I work for a large company whose remote staff has risen to more than half of the entire company. Those people literally cannot be asked to come back to the office because most of them live too far away from the home office. The only option would just be to fire half of your staff and pray that you can rehire thousands of people just as talented as them who all live within an hour commute of your office.
You don't know why people will be more productive when they don't have to wake up early, rush dinner, spend $20 and 3 hours because of commuting every single day?
Also, for people who have kids working from home is a godsend. Not having to constantly find babysitters or pay for daycare, picking them up and dropping them off, etc leaves people in a far better mental and financial state which can then translate to better work output.
to be honest, I enjoy the Kick experience a good bit. I can deal with growing pains, and the only 2-4 streamers that I watch are on Kick. Double thumbs up from me
If they just STFU and focus on their business their won't be any problems. It should be a given that a company's products / brand are meant to be enjoyed by everyone.
I personally think the REAL reason Destiny killed his Rumble contract was because of that issue he had with Leafy recently. Destimy said he reached out to the Head of Rumble trying to get him to stop Leafy somehow(I think Leafy was showing pics of Melina?), and when Rumble wouldnt budge cause they didnt wanna "censor" leafy, Destiny coincidentally said within literally a day or 2 that he canceled his rumble contract
It's amazing how some orbiters join and it makes you sit up in you chair and listen. Devin has some really interesting insights to hear and I love when he comes on. Secondly, holy shit Dan with the L take this video. Just look at chat when he comes in and starts shitting on kick and saying theres only 100 people with kick accounts watching and its a bad experience lol. So delusional.
Will never understand how thousands of random nobodies are willing to sit in chat for hours and type live comments that will never be read or acknowledged by anyone without getting paid for it. Meanwhile, the streamers are making millions of dollars from them being there due to it upping their viewer numbers and sharing none of the revenue with those who keep them at such high income levels.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I'm not sure if you're just trolling, or clueless. There's plenty of non-republicans who don't like this shit either. And a lot of people who do, would consider someone like Destiny, right wing, because they're so bat shit crazy ideologically.
I’m curious what this guys background is because I deal with huge corporations and orgs and haven’t dealt with these questions. Then again my agency advertises in pretty vanilla spots you’d imagine pulls reliable traffic
Kick survives as long as Amazon is willing to provide it the white label streaming service and as long as user conversions from kick to kick's gambling enterprises stays profitable.
Elon took over to 'protect free speech'. For left-leaning people, 'protecting free speech' just means 'allowing hate speech'. So these people assumed that Twitter would be taken over by hate speech because it would not be policed anymore
How can you have a labour shortage but people can't afford anything? At some point employers HAVE to pay a competitive wage or they can't conduct business and have to close. or can't they afford to pay anything more and operate a profitable business?
From a point of view of an unconvertable youtube-long-video watcher: I would never think to hop to a live stream of someone who I watch regularly to ask a question bc that's unintiutive. Like.. do u often think to have a live conversation with a news reporter from your local channel? TH-cam audience as it seems to me is much more distanced from their contentmaker of choise = a lot less room for (im sorry) parasociality that is fueling streaming world.
It's not a moral wrong, it's just a braindead move. What BudLight did is more than virtue signaling which is already annoying in itself. They decided to become politically and ideologically driven. Because yes gender theory, intersectional feminism and critical race theory are purely ideological. To understand why it's dumb imagine if they decided to be "more christian" in order to attract christian customers. If you are atheist or muslim yourself suddenly there's this awkwardness because you don't believe the things budlight believes. So naturally there's a chance you would stop buying from them or buy much less. Especially if you disagree with their message, what they're doing or how they're treating the lgbt. That's the exact thing they did but because you agree with the message / religion you don't see any issue. It's incredibly stupid for a company to get involved politically. Sane people don't want corporations to have ideologies and values we just want them to make the best product possible.
@@luisochoa576 What political positions are people looking at here lol. Conservatives just think trans people are evil and gross. Trust me I live with/around/work with and have known conservatives my entire life. Making excuses for them is pretty low, my man.
@@rabd3721Gender THEORY is indeed a postmodern theory. The science / fact is that a transwoman is a biological male who identifies as a woman. You can be MTF or FTM trans (because there are only 2 genders, so you can only transition to the opposite one). Again that is the factual side of things. But society decided to "play along with feelings over facts" out of pity and to hopefully prevent suicides. So society decided to lie to them, feign acceptance and pretended there are 200 genders. That's the part not everyone is onboard with. Not everyone obviously agrees on the idea that we need to respect made up identities or "play along" with delusions or fetishes. The conservative stance is basically "do whatever you want with your life and body but leave me out of it, don't ask me for something, don't expect anything, don't force me to say things I don't believe and don't want to say." That's where most of the hatred comes from, it's the left who wants to force everyone to conform ideologically and accept their ideas. Demanding that people respect preferred pronouns for instance is compelled speech. You are forcing people to go against their deepest beliefs, which is one of the biggest forms of oppression. Wokeness is the complete opposite of multiculturalism. The whole point of multiculturalism is supposed to be to accept, respect and coexist with many different cultures but the far left is only interested in imposing their woke views and in erasing other cultures. They actually want cultural supremacy. Which is why Muslims are now joining Christians to oppose the highly illiberal religion of wokeness.
As a person that only watches the TH-cam videos of your content. I myself and probably others don’t have the time to watch a stream. That’s why I listen to the content at work. Plus it seems more eventful watching the videos than a live stream.
Same, I watch these videos like a podcast. I think Destiny would destroy the competition if he started a podcast. I went from Rogan, to Lex, to Destiny / a bunch of other TH-cam / podcasters. The reason I don't watch the stream is because I don't care about his stupid drama shit. This was actually very interesting.
I listen to these while delivering Amazon packages haha
Same, listen to in vehicle at work for years but have never watched his stream.
I think I agree with Dan's position about YT being bad about streaming even though I think the point he made was bad. YT has a bright red circle around the channel avatar when they are live, and are always top when viewing subscriptions tab. Which means I can find streams in my subscriptions, and discovering new channels will show the stream too.
This is true but a very small minority of users even use the subscription feed. Personally I only see livestreams in my recommend on the sidebar
@@Egolesssreally? Subscriptions is how i see all the videos i watch
@@oscar12ty no I made it up I have no idea 😂. But personally i and everyone I know doesn’t use their sub boxes anymore and just relies on recommended/ home to show them new videos from channels they watch. The same kind of curated feed has been popular on all platforms for a while. Twitter will show you lots of varied tweets (not necessarily people you follow) same with insta Facebook. Everything
Devin is such a breath of fresh air.
It just feels like an interesting talk without any dumb takes, destiny having to defend herself or destiny trying to explain a simple concept for an hour with the whole argument falling apart cause the debate partner does not understand the concept of accepting other people's opinions or even points of view.
@Honerkamp It just feels nice to have a person on stream who isn't a Muslim in a ski mask who yells or an e-girl whose gimmick is liking hasan and selling lewds as a virgin.
Same I am digging this amidst the redpill retardation and constant arguing
until he pronounced Alfa Romeo incorrectly lol
Does anyone know what devin means when he thought Twitter was gonna be a nazi thing?
I am excited for the 10th upload of this vod this week but with an extended directors cut.
1:16:11 youtube doesn’t want people watching YT live streams, they want the streamers to post the video on the site so people can keep watching it with infinite ads for years to come
Pro tip, don’t be like Budlight and hire an executive who shits on their current customer base
Pro-tip, log off the internet if you're having a meltdown over a paid Instagram promotional ad
@@shareyy8129why would you give money to a company that actively hates you?
Can someone explain to me what the controversy is? I watched a video that just looked like a person talking about having a partnership with bud light.
I don't understand.
@@shareyy8129I personally just saw an executive insulting their customer base and decided "well I guess I'll go with another beer next time I go to the store", I dont buy from companies that openly show disdain for their customers and I think that's pretty reasonable
@@shareyy8129 Bud Light is pisswater to begin with; didn't need an excuse to keep on not buying it.
"brand risk" has always seemed like an advertising term for companies that care more about other things than just getting enough about just getting eyeballs on their product. Its such a boardroom thing to say "omg, our Ford vehicle is on the news being driven by a potential murderer this is going to tank our brand" or "oh no, our content is appearing alongside controversial content or TOS breaking content where some guy talks about current events" but it's also appearing on news segments where they show children being gas attacked or something. Basically they are just looking to prevent a bud light syle backlash but their idea about what causes it has such a hair trigger that they don't actually understand what even happened let alone how to prevent it
I mean tbf it’s pretty vile why they got mad.
They just gotta learn that people are bigoted towards lgbt people.
@johnblackburn9574 the issue is it was a can of beer.
Thats it that was the problem. It wasnt on the can of beer they SELL. It was sent directly to trans person.
In essence its cringe.
@johnblackburn9574😂 I guess u are a right winger Lying again cause flipping the eff out over a picture on bottle is the heights of cancel culture but u gotta put it out there that the left did it. Because right w ing brainwashed omg dats communism! are pearl clutching a holes who must lie like it's impossible for you not to lie for right wing cultists
@johnblackburn9574 I mean to be fair for budlight it wasn't, at all, shoved in their faces. Like not even a little bit.
@johnblackburn9574 Okay please read what I said again, I’m specifically talking about budlight, not any other company.
Yes, plenty of companies have made whole advertisements, and shoved it down our throats, but BUDLIGHT didn’t shove anything down our throats, conservatives shoved one sponsorship down our throats because it was made by one of the most obnoxious, hopefully inadvertently offensive, most caricatural person ever.
Now arguably conservatives did that because eventually it was going to happen and that sponsorship was just the beginning, and that’s probably fair, but it doesn’t change the fact that budlight didn’t shove anything down our throats.
I work in commercial banking, specially in risk. Reputational risk has become very worried about what’s going on. Especially with the fact that the bank I work for takes big political stances that are considered “woke”
Long standing brands should NOT even speak on political/ social issues. This is why it was considered standard to not even bring up religion or politics in everyday conversation, up until the 2010s.
Unless you're a new brand, and want to purposely market to only half the population (which may be successful, cause you could maybe get that full half to be super loyal to you )
Another approach could be to split your brand into two brands: one that markets to the left, and one to the right.
A person appearing on an ad is not, under normal circumstances, a political issue; It only became one because right-wingers are openly trying to ostracize traspeople the way it used to be 20 years ago. The equivalent to this insanity would be people boycotting an ad because it is featuring a cis-person. You're blatantly and unapologetically saying that trans people can only work in "left" spaces. It is because this kind of mostruosity that brands must do the exact opposite of what you're saying,.
@@r.m8146 So you acknowledge that the political landscape of America is not normal, but you don't think that brands should account for that when advertising...
You know their goal is to make money right? Not to be political activists. Any political message they have will be performative, whether it's for the right or the left.
@r.m8146 you're really twisting my words to make me look like a jerk. Lol. I don't personally care what people /movements brands associate with. It makes no difference to me. I don't even care about different peoples ideologies, because I can separate that from the person. But it's not about me. It's about those brands being concerned about losing half their consumer base over night. I can personally talk about stuff like this without getting riled up, but I fully understand why some people can't, and that's why brands should market the brand itself, instead of things that have zero to do with it.
As far as I was concerned, I just think Dylan is funny and thought she was a funny celebrity to have in a commercial, but what you said about the rights' views on trans people is either misinformed on your part, or simply disingenuous. People in the right feel like there is a creepy agenda to push sexuality on their kids at too early of an age, under the disguise of acceptance of the LGBTQ. Whether that is actually true or not, I can't tell you. But you can't blame people for thinking like that when their mental gears are already turning that way. They simply want things less sexualized (gay, straight, bi, etc.)
It's just a touchy subject that will almost always create tension. And that's the reason we used to talk about this stuff less, and people got along better. It's the same reason the left would get upset if the right was throwing Christianity into every ad. You don't care that people are Christians. You just dont want to hear about it. It doesn't mean you're denying their existence, or wish bad on them. Sounds reasonable to me from both sides, until you guys start getting mad, and point fingers, while ignoring the fact that you both do the same shit. Everyone who has finally separated themselves from right/ left realizes you both have fair points, but also both act like complete idiots, and that you BOTH are the problem.... a very very bad problem. Take a chill pill. 😎
@@r.m8146wahhhh, why won't conservatives by the trans beer wahhhhhh.
@@r.m8146 you do realize that the whole appearance was a political statement, so one way or another you would piss some group of people off, Would you feel any different if Kayne West sponsored Deviantart or something? This isn't just a right-winger thing its both parties flipping a shit over the littlest thing
Devin saying they don't need to monetise... what? 400 dollars lifetime earnings at 2.4% conversion means they make around 10 dollars per person over their lifetime. Which means xQC alone has to bring in 10,000,000 users just to break even in 20-25 years. No way that's enough to warrant these investments.
OF should of gone through with the change
Why would they willingly tank their business? And also, even if they did, you don't think all the egirls would just move over to fansly or some shit? Cat's outta the bag now, one company failing ain't gonna do shit.
If I have to hear the words "brand risk" one more time, I'm gonna lose it. This whole concept is vomit inducing. PayPal literally controls who makes money and how it is made online, and these same companies will run ads on live news coverage of a school shooting but won't risk their ad being next to some edgelord online. Double Standard
Brand risk
Brand risk
Cry more
You sound like you’ve never worked a corporate job in your life. And no, being a Reddit mod doesn’t count
you dont have to hear it. deafen yourself
The social media landscape made everyone feel like they need to constantly say something or pick a side and it’s not optimal for business. Social media skews young, and young skew left, so everyone thinks it’s insanely popular to just always adopt the left viewpoint publicly.
Look at the NBA, they went from Michael Jordan saying “Republicans buy sneakers too” and welcoming them to the game, to LeBron James and the NBA brass openly standing against conservatives in every way possible even literally saying they don’t want them to watch. And as expected, this caused their popularity in America to plummet.
Just one example how social media broke people’s brains but this is all over not just the NBA.
Destiny is right about viewer types at least anecdotally with people I know. I know pretty much nobody who is interested in a live stream unless it just happens to be on, and even then they would rather wait for the vod. The people I know that really like streams watch them regularly. I almost never watch a stream but I watch mostly longform content in general. The example of moist critical just shows he got stream viewers not that his youtube people watch his stream.
Yeah this is me.
I will wait for the vod.
Dunno what it is about livestreaming but I just don't desire it.
Maybe it feels more vulnerable knowing that it's live so who knows what will happen. Some people enjoy watching other people get in car accidents. I don't.
The reason people became more productive is because they were working longer hours since they weren't wasting time on a commute and also there's less of a mental barrier between work and home when your work is on a laptop you can access at any tine
Inherintly - all the discussion of Stake being intertwined has only been the best PR in regards to awareness. Which means they don’t even need to integrate Stake into Kick but people think of Stake top of mind when they hear kick cause of the PR chaos.
The reality is probably 2-3% of people already like gambling, so they are willing to give stake a try. At least that's what I would assume.
Dan is absolutely kidding himself on the work from home point. Truly spoken like a C level big wig who has forgotten who is down in the dirt making the business money. It is an absolute fact that WTH is not for every corporate culture, not for every employee, and not for every position. But that genie is out of the bottle and theres no going back. Too much dead weight got exposed in the shift.
Yeah no one at my company wants to go back to the office including the managers and directors. The biggest concern people have is it might displace local workers with out of state workers but that can be managed.
My company is failing hard to get everyone back in the office. We’re on our second “relaunch” of coming in three days a week, and the office is a ghost town I doubt even 10% of depts are complying. Meanwhile the C-suite calls into every town hall from their spacious home just totally tone def
Companies have the final say, the workers have no power because there will always be qualified people who want those sort of jobs and be fine with working in an office. Hybrid will almost certainly be the new standard.
My company is also trying to get people back in office. Even the city is mad that people are working from home. And the food vendors are mad at the city lmao
@@azure_azure You are so wrong it's funny, this only applies to entry level phone jobs that 19 year olds take. Anyone with a valuable skill set already made the decision last year when the companies all tried to push everyone back in office. They simply left to other companies, even taking small pay cuts. 90% of people are okay with hybrid schedules, no one needs to be in the office more then 1-2 days a week. This is what my company settled at and everyone is very happy with it.
Here's hoping Kick gets sponsorship from alcohol and tobacco. Give certain crowds more to cry about.
Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
alcohol and tabacco companies are smart enough not to advertise on kick
So based
@@tiktokexposed898 Pretty sure they have heavy restrictions on their advert capabilities.
@@DangerRussDayZ6533should be a store, not an agency
In the YT to streaming conversion convo 1:12:33 , I think they glossed over how vod vs streaming tends to be a different audience? I cant get into streaming at all, but will munch through multiple hour long clips.
there is not a single number kick has reported that is in any way believable. they could say 2+2=4 and i would think they exaggerated it.
Just a couple weeks ago Destiny was parroting that these boycotts are benign and have no effect lmao.
As far as I can tell. The more brands stay away from specific social/political issues, the better. Gernalities are fine for the most part. "Inclusion" and diversity may be the next realm though, I think there is a very simple way to advertise in that world.
Remember when Destiny said he didn't think any of these boycotts meant anything and that "lol go woke go broke is such a meme". The reason brands being woke is even a thing is because of fear. It only makes sense that the reverse would also be true in certain circumstances where they are afraid of opposing backlash.
Then there's even the middle where backlash and people arguing is a marketing ploy. The idea that any of these is a meme or nonexistent is pathetically illogical.
Depends. There was plenty of other beer to buy. Its such an easy thing to boycott.
@@Lizard1582 What is even your point? No shit a boycott is going to be more successful if it's easier to boycott.
i mean hes still right. get woke go broke isnt a thing. boycotts rarely ever work if at all
@@limitedhangoutlive That boycotters shouldn't feel so powerful for shitting on one of many shades of garbage piss water. "Go woke go broke" is absolutely a meme in the holistic scheme of national commerce; just don't be clueless morons about who your customers are.
I don't know how you didn't get my point lol.
I think I heard him brought up the "go woke go broke is a meme" during the conversation where he defends corporations tend to hire foreign non white workers. In which case, it makes sense that any corporations would present themselves as inclusive instead of, well, exclusively favoring white people.
When ever destiny starts his podcast I hope he has a ep with devin in person
He surely will start the podcast soon guys... right?😓
Podcasts are only made by white middle age men and destiny is a young black woman.
Dan said in the sub that the podcast is cancelled. Dan just changed his mind and didn't want to do it anymore.
@@abednegokurio9244Destiny needs to just find a replacement for Dan which is def possible lol
@@abednegokurio9244 wait what?!?!? where?!?!? God I will never watch Destiny again if he replaces Dan with Farha
Depending on the way the stream is implemented, it may be impossible to query the number of viewers. What may happen is that a viewer will send a signal to the server saying they are watching. That cannot happen every second because the server cannot handle it. Servers cannot always query viewers because a server does not communicate proactively. The client, or viewer, has to request data for the server to do anything and the server cannot request anything from the client. There are ways around this via sockets but even then, the server would have to store the id of every concurrent viewer and track when they log in or out of the stream which is complicated and error prone so it is much easier to just let the client ping the server every couple of minutes.
Stay in school
Devin says things with such confidence that he shouldn't have.
Just because you're wrecked with insecurities doesn't mean other people have to be too
Yep
As an example he thought xqc and adin etc would get sued for dmca immediately and then realized nothing was being done at all to hurt them
Hes a little pup and doesn't understand much
He gives me a used car salesman vibes.
The reason watching videos is better is so I can skip to boring debates/content. I don't feel like I need to participate in a live chat and video format is so much more convenient.
Dan is really off (at least in my experience) for TH-cam conversion to streaming. There are content creators that I will have watched for insane amounts of hours, I hop into their streams once or twice (because TH-cam let me know after I finished one of their videos that they were streaming) and then have a thoroughly unengaging time compared to the videos and never watch again.
The only streams I "consistently" watched was some like 5-10 viewer streams on Twitch for a month or so at a time because that was basically just hanging out in a Discord server with a guy except I am watching them play a game we both enjoy. Streaming is just such a fundamentally different experience than watching TH-cam videos and it has such little or no appeal to me overall.
Yeah i totally love tuning in to destiny watching a 7 hour video of some transdude I will never see again talking about why he left TYT. Bless based August he saves me so much time with his work.
yeah I have probably 200 hours of watching destiny TH-cam videos. I have a few hours of watching a racing game streamer. The viewer base is completely distinct.
Me when I find out big corporations don’t actually care about hormones 😱😱😱😱😱😱
This talk about "brand risk" is so incredibly dumb to me because it just wasn't an issue 20-30 years ago. Companies would gladly sponsor a show that talks about serial killers, nazis or whatever explicit adult or politically incorrect content. It was never viewed as a risk or a liability because it was widely understood that the opinions expressed in a show didn't represent the opinion of the sponsors. Duh. They didn't have to align at all but now they do need to align because of social media. Except they actually don't.
The only reason sponsors feel like they need to align with the creator now is because of cancel culture and that's because of the importance and power they willingly decided to give to twitter activists. If no one cares about what those dumb morons whine about then there is no issue. So you're already screwing up from the start by giving a minority group importance, power and control over you and over the culture.
I didn't quite understand why companies were so eager to go woke because it sounds incredibly stupid from a business perspective. Like why anger and turn away 50% of the population in order to pander to 0.003%. Now I understand that it's because of the incredibly creepy ESG system they implemented. Corporations are now incentivized to be ideologically driven in order to get a high ESG score which can mean more money, bigger loans, tax cuts and whatever other benefit. And maybe in their mind companies with high ESG meant safe to invest into but now we can clearly see that's not the case at all because of the conservative boycotts. Like Michael Jordan used to say: "Conservatives buy Nike shoes too." so it will always be a very bad idea to spit on them or refuse their money.
Well yeah there's ESG, but corps were ideologically-driven long before that. The decades that the HR bureaucracy was allowed to fester; itself a result of civil rights act law.
Eh, I like living in a world that tries to oppose pdophilic conservatives.
Cancel culture includes both the left & the right. You can pin that one on the left only honey.
@@PunchmemommyIndeed when the religious right was trying to censor Mortal Kombat, Pokemon, Harry Potter and MTG in the 90s what happened? We all despised the religious right with a passion. It led to a huge revolt against religion in general and it's why the atheist movement exploded in popularity.
Now the exact same thing is happening again but to a more obnoxious and unhealthy degree. Woke people are trying to censor, doxx, harass, deplatform and get people fired. So naturally more and more people from all sides despise them. The unfortunate part is that the rainbow flag has sort of become associated with wokeness (because of ESG imo) and most of the lgbtq didn't vote for wokeness to be their religion I'm sure. Their movement was hijacked by far left ideologues.
I hate wokeness, not gays and trans. Many conservatives though don't see the difference anymore and conflate the two. That sucks because in my ideal world black people, lgbtq and conservatives should unite to fight wokeness lol. But wokeness I believe was designed to divide and conquer. To keep everyone fighting and hating each other instead of joining forces to make meaningful change.
Just sayin, Christians started this way before cancel culture occurred. And Christians would still do it if they had any meaningful power left in this country.
Budweiser is a perfect example of how to destroy a corporation
ESG will make this a common occurrence.
The corporation will be fine, considering most people don’t even know which other they beer they sell
It's hard not to notice and joke that between tv/movies, comics and budlite that women in charge drive a company into the ground
Inbev will be just fine. 😂
@@PoliMaster64 It takes a truly braindead person to think that a mutli-national corporation can just stomach their biggest brand, in their biggest market tanking. even if it is only like 4-5%, these companies run on ultra thin margins
Brands are far too concerned with their image. If you put up a billboard in a shitty part of town, no one really correlates the meth head under it to the vegan propaganda on it.
As long as you're not directly sponsoring someone, I don't think people really care where your ad is. No one is going to get mad because Nike had a banner ad on a site that everyone knows anyone can post anything to. That's why they still advertise on Twitter.
Totally disagree. Brand association is extremely powerful.
*THIS.* The problem is that these brands are WAY too sp!neless to just ignore the tiny percentage of vocal cryba bies that actually care. If they simply ignored them, they'd be fine.
Back in 2017, it did. there was an incident where a random Coke ad was played before a terrorist vid and some idiot journos somehow conflated it with Coke directly sponsoring it. So they then made a hit piece smearing Coke and TH-cam about it and also at that time the Pewdiepie bridge/cardboard jew incident happened which prompted another hit piece calling TH-cam a breeding ground for far-right extremists. Advertisers panicked and started pulling their ads which then caused TH-cam to panic and implement the dreaded demonetisation symbol we see today. That was the adpocalypse...
This is the content i subbed for
I know how bad the left is with not having any principles, but just hearing them complain about cancel culture is absolutely hilarious
Remember, cancel culture doesn't exist until it happens to them lol.
You can easily flip this argument to say Republicans complain about cancel culture until it works in their favor. And even that is dubious because they destroyed a company that mostly catered to right wing people and donated to right wing causes. Same with Disney which heavily donated to republican campaigns but then said they would stop after desantis pulled his crap.
It's hilarious how Gung ho they were 4 years ago 😂
You think the right has principles?
Weren't the right pro censorship back in the day when they had the keys of the house and now they're all about free speech advocation and having conversations because "the only way to defeat bad ideas is with good and better ones"?
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy Cancel culture doesnt exist because it always existed lol is not a phenomenon.
The right has being cancelling people since the beggining of time but is only a problem when they lose their cultural grasp and people start doing it to them lmao
Very informative conversation, I enjoyed it.
What Dan isn't factoring into the working from home vs. going to the office is the expense cuts for both employers and employees. Obviously if my employer can get away with having an office that's only 30% the size of our prior operation that's a huge saving.
As an employee, if I don't have to waste 1-3 hours of my day on getting ready for work + commute, and can live wherever I want and have zero transport costs related to my job I'm willing to take a very significant pay cut, because that still leaves me with the same amount of money in my account at the end of the month + more free time and energy.
In every way except for dead weight slackers this is a more efficient solution.
Listening to Devin, Dan and Destiny talk about programming is insane. Elon fired a bunch of the people who weren't middle-managers, and kept a bunch who were. Meta just picked up a bunch of amazing programmers there, who launched Threads. Twitter have had a bunch of issues since firing a bunch of staff, engagement and advertiser spend are off a cliff. Work from home is more efficient for some tasks, and less for others. Our company has had a roughly 10% increase in efficiency since switching to mostly WFH, that's stayed the entire time. The reason Devin and Dan can't understand this is programming is a very difficult, very high-focus job. Unlike management. Open office plans are fucking awful for programming, maybe one of the single worst things that ever happened to productivity in programming. There is some argument for hybrid work, there are some tasks and positions that are highly team focused and those can benefit from face-to-face communication. The same thing with mentoring and code review. But the actual day-to-day work is hamstrung by terrible open office plans.
Oh, I am glad to see a post like this one here. It’s absolutely maddening for them to believe Elon did anything correct my firing those individuals. 😑
No one takes Dan serious, he has no authority or education on this topic.
and yet, however much they test in production, twitter still works.
If you think Threads is any better than twitter, you are wrong and with regulations on the a$$ of Meta and EU disliking them and they won't launch in EU because "complexities with complying with some of the laws coming into effect next year" according to the IG CEO. And EU won't back down (ofc you can find some work around but again most normies won't do it)
@@danielli3288 havent they limited twitter to 600 free tweets to view because they cant handle shit atm?
I really hope the kick contract ends after the year.
No plans on making a kick account
37:30 I feel like an underappreciated aspect of different viewership/engagement especially on TH-cam content, is the AGE of a particular account...
IMO, the older an account is, the more likely it is that the followers built up over time are not longer as engaged (or maybe not engaged at all) any more.
The subscriber number is still high, but the number of 'active subscribers' (not a metric, just a short-hand I'm using) is most likely a much, much smaller number.
Tiny has built his channels up really quickly over the past few years, so the 'active subscriber' ratio is probably much, much higher compared to people of a similar/larger size.
Bud light is a cautionary tale
You are clowns
never heard the word "like" said so often. this entire video is like like like like like like like like like like like and i cannot unhear it or focus on anything else
Regarding the kick stuff. Who the hell cares that it's promoting gambling? Why is gambling all of a sudden such a taboo subject? Legal Alcohol, Weed, Cigarettes, all can be done irresponsibly and be very dangerous to you in many ways. But god forbid someone gambles? What is this obsession with controlling people's lives?
And if the argument is about kids, it's the parent's responsibility not to allow their kid to use a credit card irresponsibly, regardless of how impossible it is to input age restrictions on the internet.
Not aure about Kick and Alfa Romeo F1 sponsorship. I see more photo's with Stake on the side of the f1 car as opposed to Kick.
I think they might have switched it.
End of january they announced the Kick parnership. 7th of feb they showed the new C43 alfa romeo model with Stake sponsorship on it..
Whats the music in the opening? 😊
Dylan made me an alcoholic
Interesting
Budweiser doesn't want to accept that their beer sucks and now that the 90s are over, we have more, better, cheaper options besides Natty and PBR 🤮
You are human filth we know
kick should develop a good streaming app that both supports kick as well as twitch on the same page. imo the only way to beat a monopoly like kick, twitter or reddit is to either destroy it from the inside or make the competition not only better, but also easy to switch to without a strong disadvantage, which in the social network and content creation area is an userbase that not only exists but also seeks what is sold to them.
having a "fake decentralized" platform that merges multiple sites will help that a lot if it ever becomes popular.
Adin is such a brand risk. He went way over the line when he said their were 2 genders. Charges should be pressed on him for hate speech.
Lmao
The hate speech is probably the kill/them bit, which is pretty fucking far even if you aren't a soy lefty
🤡
Nah he's just so cringe in general
yeah thats all hes done. not the association with fuentes and his ilk. u probably like that tho
Dan is wrong about concurrent viewers. It is hard to get live numbers of collections of anything on a large platform. As a dev, I can build a site that updates all relevant parties when an action affects a count on their specific view, but this becomes incredibly complex once a site scales to multiple virtual servers where the tcp connections and/or sockets aren't all open on a single instance. To do this you need some very complex orchestration logic with ACID compliant schemas to make sure data is deduplicated and data persisted accurately for historical uses. All of this spirals even more when you consider regionality and caching. In my projects I'll often put an expensive query on a polling schedule so it only happens every xx seconds and then when the info is requested, it gets cached and that's what the user will see until the next poll.
Very informative and interesting stream.
Every conversation with Devin is 🙏
Converting users to YT live isn’t just hard trying to do it would actively hurt overall TH-cam retention
Love this shit. Such great discussion.
I actually love watching all of the "experts" in DGG come out of the woodworks whenever someone like Devin Nash comes on, triggered out of their minds.
Why have I seen portions of this conversation like 3 times now? Can't I just get the whole Devin conversation? I have no idea if I need to skip ahead in this or if it's all just stuff I've heard already.
I have not seen the 3 vids you are talking about but an explaination could be that destiny said his youtube editor gets around 45% of his youtube revenue.
Just spitballing here, but if Kick has ownership stake in Alfa Romeo they could get a cut of their winnings which are quite substantial. That is what it sounds like is going on to me.
Moist Critical originally posted a lot of let's plays. If there was ever an audience primed to jump ship to streaming.
It's pronounced like Ro-mayo, hearing it pronounced like the name Romeo was funny 😂
Dan is so wrong on the Remote Work issue. The problem for a company demanding that it's talent come back to the office is on multiple levels. For one, companies aren't going to all band together to force everyone back in the office. Company A says that they are requiring all employees back in the office, then Company B is going to use that as an opportunity to hire that talent themselves by allowing them to work remotely and not having to pay them more. Not only that, but Company B is saving on office space.
The other issue is that many companies have already hired people from across the country to work remotely. I work for a large company whose remote staff has risen to more than half of the entire company. Those people literally cannot be asked to come back to the office because most of them live too far away from the home office. The only option would just be to fire half of your staff and pray that you can rehire thousands of people just as talented as them who all live within an hour commute of your office.
You don't know why people will be more productive when they don't have to wake up early, rush dinner, spend $20 and 3 hours because of commuting every single day?
Also, for people who have kids working from home is a godsend. Not having to constantly find babysitters or pay for daycare, picking them up and dropping them off, etc leaves people in a far better mental and financial state which can then translate to better work output.
My bad that I didn't think it was still possible.
Rumbling! Rumbling! It’s not coming! 🗣️ 🔥
Dude how ducking funny would it be if Jewish people were in charge of payment processing. Groypers would be fuming.
Who said they weren’t
@charaznable896 Dont forget the WEF and large investment companies like Blackrock pushing ESG scores.
"Dude how ducking funny would it be if Jewish people were in charge of payment processing" They are, you dont have to imagine it.
All the neo nazies have come to your comments
This is the first like, smart/normal person i mightve ever heard come on here to chat with destiny
Alfa Romeo…. Sent a shudder down my spine
to be honest, I enjoy the Kick experience a good bit. I can deal with growing pains, and the only 2-4 streamers that I watch are on Kick. Double thumbs up from me
46:30 not even this. I have weird feeling that TH-cam is more willingly to promote video of channel you are NOT subscribed to.
I wonder if the chat list on Kick when you type @ is just showing the people that have already typed in chat instead of everyone logged in watching
“Alpha Romeo” is crazy 🤣
I saw the game in the background and thought path of exile 2 came out....then I saw diablo 3 under the description. RIP.
My God. The last 5 minutes really sums up how little these people know about what they're talking about
If they just STFU and focus on their business their won't be any problems. It should be a given that a company's products / brand are meant to be enjoyed by everyone.
I personally think the REAL reason Destiny killed his Rumble contract was because of that issue he had with Leafy recently. Destimy said he reached out to the Head of Rumble trying to get him to stop Leafy somehow(I think Leafy was showing pics of Melina?), and when Rumble wouldnt budge cause they didnt wanna "censor" leafy, Destiny coincidentally said within literally a day or 2 that he canceled his rumble contract
Kick culture = Spinning Charizard
LOL on kick you can literally open up multiple tabs of the same stream and they count as a viewer 34:42
37:21 DarkViper is actually having another crusade, this time against botflation on accounts.
It's amazing how some orbiters join and it makes you sit up in you chair and listen. Devin has some really interesting insights to hear and I love when he comes on.
Secondly, holy shit Dan with the L take this video. Just look at chat when he comes in and starts shitting on kick and saying theres only 100 people with kick accounts watching and its a bad experience lol. So delusional.
Devin isn't an orbiter.
@@matthewscully795 remember if you ever speak with destiny you are already an orbiter lmao
@@sammay9699 ah yes, she is after all the main character.
dan didnt say anything wrong. kick is all bots
TH-cam changes the creators icon to indicate they are live
Will never understand how thousands of random nobodies are willing to sit in chat for hours and type live comments that will never be read or acknowledged by anyone without getting paid for it. Meanwhile, the streamers are making millions of dollars from them being there due to it upping their viewer numbers and sharing none of the revenue with those who keep them at such high income levels.
Did Destiny not say that companies going woke is profitable? Or, was it regarding long term profits?
It *can be* profitable when 100% of the customer base _aren't_ Republicans.
“Go woke go broke” and “woke” advertising works out 50% of the time.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorname one
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I'm not sure if you're just trolling, or clueless. There's plenty of non-republicans who don't like this shit either. And a lot of people who do, would consider someone like Destiny, right wing, because they're so bat shit crazy ideologically.
and when people arent able just move their hand slightly to the left to buy a different shade of cheap piss water.
I’m curious what this guys background is because I deal with huge corporations and orgs and haven’t dealt with these questions. Then again my agency advertises in pretty vanilla spots you’d imagine pulls reliable traffic
Kick survives as long as Amazon is willing to provide it the white label streaming service and as long as user conversions from kick to kick's gambling enterprises stays
profitable.
these weirdos who can't imagine why youd be more productive at home...simple...we are happier.
Do you know how much easier it will be to fire someone you don't see daily?
Does anyone know what does devin actually mean when he says twitter was going to become a nazi thing?
Hysterical corporate dweeb.
Elon took over to 'protect free speech'. For left-leaning people, 'protecting free speech' just means 'allowing hate speech'. So these people assumed that Twitter would be taken over by hate speech because it would not be policed anymore
How can you have a labour shortage but people can't afford anything? At some point employers HAVE to pay a competitive wage or they can't conduct business and have to close.
or can't they afford to pay anything more and operate a profitable business?
Dylan disaster? No, this was the natural conclusion.
Funny how people care for the 1% that will turn to gambling but won't care for the 1% that will turn off gambling streams and won't turn to gambling.
From a point of view of an unconvertable youtube-long-video watcher:
I would never think to hop to a live stream of someone who I watch regularly to ask a question bc that's unintiutive. Like.. do u often think to have a live conversation with a news reporter from your local channel?
TH-cam audience as it seems to me is much more distanced from their contentmaker of choise = a lot less room for (im sorry) parasociality that is fueling streaming world.
This is the reason I respect "raid shadow legends". They dgaf who they sponsor.
Im terrified of that demon too
Who is the guy he has on? Rather interesting
Lmao Dan does not understand how our banking system works.
To be fair, pretty much nobody does ...
The LSF joke at 58:14 was an S tier meta joke just so we're clear
"i stream for fun. it's all youtube" *youtube is all stream clips*
I'm on team Dan. I would love to see more destiny on TH-cam.
Why is sensorship ok if capitalists do it?
Why does dan have such anger towards kick 😂
I’ll never watch a stream. TH-cam only
I still don't understand what Bud Light or Dylan did wrong?
It's not a moral wrong, it's just a braindead move. What BudLight did is more than virtue signaling which is already annoying in itself. They decided to become politically and ideologically driven. Because yes gender theory, intersectional feminism and critical race theory are purely ideological.
To understand why it's dumb imagine if they decided to be "more christian" in order to attract christian customers. If you are atheist or muslim yourself suddenly there's this awkwardness because you don't believe the things budlight believes. So naturally there's a chance you would stop buying from them or buy much less. Especially if you disagree with their message, what they're doing or how they're treating the lgbt. That's the exact thing they did but because you agree with the message / religion you don't see any issue.
It's incredibly stupid for a company to get involved politically. Sane people don't want corporations to have ideologies and values we just want them to make the best product possible.
@@luisochoa576 Transgenderism is not an ideology. It's a person.
They didn’t account for how hateful conservatives are to trans people
@@luisochoa576 What political positions are people looking at here lol.
Conservatives just think trans people are evil and gross. Trust me I live with/around/work with and have known conservatives my entire life.
Making excuses for them is pretty low, my man.
@@rabd3721Gender THEORY is indeed a postmodern theory. The science / fact is that a transwoman is a biological male who identifies as a woman. You can be MTF or FTM trans (because there are only 2 genders, so you can only transition to the opposite one). Again that is the factual side of things. But society decided to "play along with feelings over facts" out of pity and to hopefully prevent suicides. So society decided to lie to them, feign acceptance and pretended there are 200 genders. That's the part not everyone is onboard with.
Not everyone obviously agrees on the idea that we need to respect made up identities or "play along" with delusions or fetishes. The conservative stance is basically "do whatever you want with your life and body but leave me out of it, don't ask me for something, don't expect anything, don't force me to say things I don't believe and don't want to say." That's where most of the hatred comes from, it's the left who wants to force everyone to conform ideologically and accept their ideas. Demanding that people respect preferred pronouns for instance is compelled speech. You are forcing people to go against their deepest beliefs, which is one of the biggest forms of oppression.
Wokeness is the complete opposite of multiculturalism. The whole point of multiculturalism is supposed to be to accept, respect and coexist with many different cultures but the far left is only interested in imposing their woke views and in erasing other cultures. They actually want cultural supremacy. Which is why Muslims are now joining Christians to oppose the highly illiberal religion of wokeness.