Why isn't Eastern Germany Religious?
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Why isn't Eastern Germany Religious?
Around the globe, Europe is generally heavily associated with the religion of Christianity, just as the Middle East is usually linked to Islam, and so on and so forth. The general assumption about European countries is that they are probably at least mostly populated by Christians, even if the nation itself hasn’t declared any official state religion. And while this is often a pretty accurate assumption, in some cases, such as with Germany, it’s not so straightforward…
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You are against bias? I do not agree. The video is strongly biased against atheism, as if it is some evil and the religion is somehow better.
@@aav199 There is no bias. Idk how you claim to see any. (Tbh though, who likes communism, right?)
@@tylerbozinovski427 I don't like communism, and I trying to be neutral to religion. I suppose the intonation of the speaker in the video made me think that he is biased against atheism
@@aav199 I wrote the script for this and I think the confusion might be related to the angle I took and not so much a bias! I was answering the question of why Eastern Germany ISN'T religious as opposed to if I had been asked why IS Eastern Germany atheist. It may seem like an irrelevant difference but there's a subtle nuance to it as a writer! I basically had to take the angle of explaining why religion was reduced, which may come across as anti-atheism, but the opposite would've happened if i had been trying to take the angle of why atheism was increased. There was no bias intended!(:
@@thursdayhistory7912 I can see that. However terms like, ‘godless place’ in combination with a voice that could come from a fifties movie did leave me the impression of a bias. I guess being an atheist myself makes me more sensitive to that. Perhaps it would be good to do a video on growing secularism in Western-Europe.
Could have just said "Communism" and saved us all 10 minutes
Godless Communism moment
Make sense lol...
9:44pm great
Yes.
9:59pm noo the 60s are here
"On the west side of the Berlin Wall".... That is a misleading and inaccurate statement. The border between east and west Germany is NOT the Berlin Wall. It is just the boarder.
The Berlin Wall is the physical wall that surrounded all of west Berlin after 1961. West Berlin (part of the city) was territory of West Germany.
When the Allies split Germany into four pieces, they did the same with its Capitol city Berlin. The French, British and American sector of Berlin remained part of West Germany from 1949 all the way to the reunion of Germany on October 3rd 1990, while being completely surrounded by east Germany (GDR).
Good video though.
Yeah, I was gonna say, surely he meant the iron curtain?
That's right. I immediately noticed the same glaring mistake. With over 700k subs you have to do better than that. Otherwise, I think the video is pretty accurate, however, Poland was also under the thumb of the Soviets and they mostly retained their faith, even when subjected to such harsh pressures not to.
That mistake was made repeatedly throughout the video.
Are you trying to say something insightful? All across the border between the two countries there was a continuous line of walls and fences that was heavily patrolled at the time by armed guards, who would shoot you if you tried to cross it. It worked the same way as the berlin wall.
@@montemasterson9588 yeah cos the Poles were Catholic & not Protestant.
9:58 The red line is where the Iron Curtain "stood", where East Germany's border was.
The Berlin wall was only around West-Berlin.
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@@Oneath everyone makes mistakes
@@Dmazza99 that kind of mistake leads to false information, some people will call Germany "Berlin" next time they want to say something smart
@@Oneath true that
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Short answer: Soviet influence
.. ie communism
But faith still is strong in Russia and Ukraine.
@@JM-qb2kd Same reason you can buy a six pack of beer in Albania, even though it's predominantly Muslim. One of the few Muslim countries that was communist for an extended period of time is almost totally secular. On the other hand, Saudi Arabia was originally a British client state, and is currently an American ally, and a totalitarian religious monarchy.
@@kyriljordanov2086 I mean when the Soviet Union and East Germany was a thing
Long answer: this vid
Getting the Berlin wall confused with the iron curtain is pretty bizarre for a "knowledge" channel but so is their pronunciation of Catholicism and other words. It's as if it's some AI voice over with an American accent is reading a script.
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Right the wall was only around West-Berlin
true, regardless if they were badly informed or didn't give it enough research.. It's almost the exact same superficiality you see by countless other u.s channels on history, akin to base it all down to what is good-what is bad as if were all so simple. To me it's just another disclaimer aimed at sugarcoating a simple 'who was right-who was wrong' to the same clueless american to back his already confirmed opinion.
It's an interchangeable term
It's more accurately called the Inner German Border.
This also happened in Czechia and Estonia - the least religious countries in Europe.
Based
And like east germany, they were also protestant
@@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 Czechs were 90% Catholic prior to WWII.
@@kyriljordanov2086 thanks to the Austrian Inquisition
yeah but people in Czechia were irreligious before with communism they just said it out loud
9:58 ah yes, the Berlin wall nowhere near Berlin
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As for why Catholicism was better at surviving than Protestantism, I wonder if it has to due more with organization structure than zealousness
Zealotry is a nicer word.
You can't compare a genuine religion like Catholicism or Orthodoxy with one invented religion, by a guy in 16'th century , like Protestantism !! It is normal to disappear with the first wave...
@@scintillam_dei nah it's still different
But Poland is still strong Catholic 🇭🇷✝️✝️✝️🇵🇱
inshallah
@arolemaprarath3248 allah doesn't exist and muhammad r*ped aisha.
You keep saying "Berlin Wall" in your script, when you mean "Iron Curtain" between BRD and DDR.
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in germany, where that wall stood, it was almost never called iron curtain, but almost always Berliner Mauer, which translates to Berlin Wall.
@@trueSconox So what was the "inner-German border" called - eff all to do with the Berlin Wall?
The Inner German border (German: Innerdeutsche Grenze pronounced [ˈɪnɐdɔʏtʃə ˈgʁɛntsə] or Deutsch-deutsche Grenze pronounced [ˈdɔʏtʃˌdɔʏtʃə ˈgʁɛntsə]; initially also Zonengrenze pronounced [ˈtsɔnənˌgʁɛntsə]) was the border between the German Democratic Republic (GDR, East Germany) and the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG, West Germany) from 1949 to 1990. Not including the similar and physically separate Berlin Wall, the border was 1,393 kilometres (866 miles) long and ran from the Baltic Sea to Czechoslovakia." Dummkopf?
@@andrewrobinson2565 deine Ausdrucksweise lässt auf einen besser wessi schließen. Wie ihr die Grenze genannt habt weiß ich nicht, bei uns war es halt die Grenze oder de Mauer.
und wer hier der Dummkopf ist steht noch aus.
@@trueSconox Up to you. Ich habe das ganze wörtlich von Wikipedia genommen. Ob BRD (Ossideutch) oder Bundesrepublik (Wessideutsch), gab es eine Grenze (vom Norden bis zum Süden) und eine Mauer (um West-Berlin). Es gab 2 Namen dafür, die nicht ausgetauscht werden dürfen.
3:23 west Germany employed alot of ex Nazi's as well..
Politically speaking soviet's and Nazi's were complete opposites and Nazi that were choosing a side probably wouldn't have chose to cooperate with Russia
For the better really. The less religion the better.
Says the immoral degenerate
@@scottishbananaclan sure that's how it works. I'm not religious so I'm 1. Immoral, I have no morals apparently just because I don't believe in something in you do. Something which is immoral by modern western standards might i add. And of course 2. I'm a degenerarate, for, I'm inferior for simply not believing what you do.
Cringe
Frankly, I find this video dramatic and even misleading. I was born in east Germany, but raised in a unified Germany. I have also no relegious affiliation. There isn't any atheist dogma or community. We were just raised without religion. There isn't praising of atheism. Protestantism in general doesn't attract people anymore in Europe. You can see it in the Netherlands or Scandinavia as well. Churches had it much harder in Eastern Europe, but this was because of the opinion "Religion is opium for the people". In West Germany the church was and still is financially subsidised. Therefore it's importance is crumbling much slower there. In the East we don't oppose religion. I had a flatmate who was becoming a pastor. We got along great.
Well you can't act like atheism came naturally.
just to mention it. sharing a law and a language, doesn't unify anything.
there are still way to many gaps between East and west!
@@franknwogu4911 if you grow up without religion it does. As mentioned in the Netherlands or Scandinavia there isn't anti-religious propaganda and similar results.
@@amarsven its because religion is seen as "ancient" so it should be left behind
@@franknwogu4911 maybe in socialism. In modern democracies is no anti-religious policy. We don't actively decide against it. It is more like trying out weed. If I don't know anyone taking it and I don't know how to get it, I won't try it. As long as you don't confront death you never think about religion here.
9:58 You mean The Iron Curtain.. not The Berlin Wall
This is just one of the many mistakes in this video
It's not a curtain. It's an imaginary line. Get your facts right. Just kidding. :-)
The video is so reductionist in it's takes on the East Regime political sphere. "The East Germans did not need the cross on the wall, because they already had an icon to face" what is this supposed to mean? All eastern bloc countries faced a wave of anti-stalinism post Stalin's death, by no means was Atheism a replacement to Religion, and Germans were not subjugated to State Atheism, only in the political sphere or in the stasi were you barred from practicing, with a combination of secularist policy, and churches suffering a decline, not because of persecution, merely the result of a worker's society that upholds logical reasoning over faith, it was bound to result in a massive decrease in religious affiliation.
Please point to actual policies and the history of the chancellorship, rather than just simply making anti-socialist rhetoric for a video that's only job is to answer the question in the title card.
So u like socialism?
So you are commie
@@lazarous2772 what wrong with socialism? it's about democracy in the workplace
😢😭the guy who made the video doesn’t agree with me politically😣
Well, for me as a German, I have to say that I disagree with with video to an extend. Yes there is an ongoing decline in church membership throughout the whole country. However, that does not mean that you can present a map and divide Germany between "religious" and "non-religious". Of course the protestant and even katholic church still exist in the former Eastern-German parts of the country, but only about 20% of the population here sees themselves as devout. For me this distinction is too much oversimplyfied because it aims just on the east-west differences and not on the differences in other federal staes, or between town-country population. I would agree to all the factors and the history of religion like you mentioned in the video, but to say that East-Germany is the "non-religious" part of Germany is a bit unprecise because, like you presented, overall devout Christians in Germany are just slightly in the majority, so even Western Germany cannot really be seen as a religious country. For sure there are big differences between all federal states in Germany. For East-Germany there are even two popular examples of protestant politicians, like Angela Merkel, our chancellor, daughter of a pastor and our former president Joachim Gauck, former pastor in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
Well, I think the main point of the video is: "even if all of Germany is less religious, the western part is still much more religious than the eastern part", this is proven by % and total numbers.
But overall, east is more secular due to the push
It’s weird how you frame this situation. Former nazis were much less influential in the East than in the West because of the purges. This wasn’t unique to the Stasi at all and really shows bias. But of course anyone who points that out is going to be labeled a sympathizer.
Also the Berlin Wall wasn’t built across the big border between West and East Germany, it was built around West Berlin.
In the East the low-ranking nazis were used as an expendable resource to fill many low to middle positions in the new system because they could be 'trusted' (unlike true communist believers), i.e. they (the nazi grunts) knew that the state knew what they had been and done, so they were overeager to do do everything demanded of them without questions because otherwise... (i.e. they were easy to blackmail). True believers in communism were far more likely to protest against the obvious huge differences between the real dictatorship and its merely proclaimed ideals).
Yeah, pretty biased overall, “east Germany is a godless place”, well, I live in Brazil, +90% of the population is religious, an I can tell you, would happily choose to live in a “””godless””” place like east Germany or Czechia!
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@@ryankahler2034 Não existe manifestação/expressão humana “isenta” lol, óbvio que o vídeo vai ser tendencioso pro lado do autor
@@MRYIMEN sem dúvida alguma, mas um canal que tenta propagar informação deve buscar seguir um rumo o mais objetivo possível. Além disso, se é um tema polêmico e o autor vai dar sua opinião, cabe a ele deixar isso claro em vez de agir como se tal opinião fosse fato…
Sorry, but the West Germany's dedication to denazification only lasted as long as there was no competition from East Germany. When push came to shove, former nazis and Wehrmacht oficers were allowed into the new structures to lend their expertise.
East Germany did do the same, but started of by using the oficers of the WEhrmacht they took prisoner earlier in the war, most notably Field Marshal von Paulus. But within several years, once the East German Army and Police were established, they started to get rid of them.
Former officials still had to go through 'denazification' process (usually including being forbidden from holding office for a specified amount of time). Those that were unconverted like Carl Schmitt were permanently forbidden from holding any sort of government or academic position.
You guys know that It was the West that used way more high profile nazis in positions of power right? The East usually used nazis on low and some middle positions until a new indocrinated generation could substitute them.
And the reason is the fact that the East had a Soviet style regime. There was no reason to spent so much time talking about nazis.
This was bad and very misleading video that lingers too much on propaganda.
'Followed a dark path', 'employed nazis' . Kind of heavy handed narrative, huh
Especially considering all the nazis the west employed
What, the west prosecuted the Nazis and the Soviet not? What are you talking about? This is literally the opposite. The west Germans aquited and rushed up to 80% of the trials against the Nazis. The soviets had less Nazis to deal with from the beginning because they all fled to the West in fear during the last days of the war. The Soviets kept people locked till their deaths. Where did you get this idea out off?
This guy hinted that the Berlin Wall was all the way along the BRD-DDR (which obviously was not the case) not once, but TWICE in this video. Don't expect historical accuracy from him lmao
The GDR empoyed a lot of old Nationalsocialists. They were Socialists after all, they just had to swear new allegiance.
And dont forget, most Nazis were experienced in statecraft and other vital organisational skills to run a country and economy. They just were opportunistic like the west.
@@Meetmountain mate you said that nationalsocialim is a socialist ideology after that anyone can just rest it's case cause nothing afterwards will be considered.
@@pedrohenryque1361 That was the excuse the SED used to persuade and hire members of the Naziregime. The aim was to brainwash them into the new ideology and to do that you need a hook, that is familiar to those you want to change.
Do your research.
@@Meetmountain brainwash, why? Tens of millions just died because of the actions of the fascists. They just won the war and we're the most powerful country in the world, why would they need to "brainwash" there enemies that cause their suffering and death? The soviets had all the reasons to persecute then and none of the necessities to do otherwise, like the west did.
Even Germans themselves that were exiled of persecuted for their ideology had no reason to let them go free. Unlike the west where most of the sympathizers fled to.
Why isn’t East Germany religious?
Me: COMMUNISM
Felt like the video simplified a lot. West germany is not religious either. Most of germany is heavily secularized.
@Nocoinersbtfo oof
True tbh
@Nocoinersbtfo Yeah I hope Europe returns to Christ..Prayers from India
@@evanssamuelbiju4315 Thanks a lot and yes, I agree but actually it's the big choice between pest and cholera ^^ Luckily many germans if not even the most nowadays don't care a lot about any kind of religion 😅 We know it's there, we accept anyone who needs to believe in something even it's the flying spaghettimonster and everything's fine 😅
@@evanssamuelbiju4315 Unlikely. 2022 marks the year when Christians have become a minority in Germany for the first time since its Christanization.
Not wanting to say you are comoletely demonizing the East while simultaniously praising West Germany but you kind of are in this video. Yes, the East did use ex-Nazi officials to build up its intelligence services and Army but the West Germany Army was also built up by Hitler’s Generals, some of which were Nazi’s and also had former Nazi’s in parliament.
Not just that, they ran the government for years before finally being ousted by the public
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Also the weat was an American puppet state
Hello from Scandinavia where 70 to 80 percent of us are non-religious 😊
Actually not. İts more like
Norway have % 18
Denmark %3,4
Sweden %30
Finland %1,7?
Sweden has the most unreligous population. But every 3/1 of people living there are marriying with religious way. Anyway.
My country in Scandiania is 75+% Christianity
No wonder all the happiest countries in the world are up there.
@@jamesmoore1476”Happiest countries” yeah right. Lmao
@@doncorleone1553Yes indeed right, laugh all you want, cant deny facts.
Down voted for biased and superficial presentation, that also confuse key elements such as the difference between the Berlin Wall and the "Iron Curtain". You are usually better than this.
There are actually 2 regions in former eastern Germany, that are still mainly religious through the 40 years of GDR and up to today. One is the "Erzgebirge" near the Czech border which is mainly protestant and the other is the "Eichsfeld" which is mainly catholic and located directly next to the inner german border.
Communist rapes create atheist "families."
Also aren't the Sorbs orthodox Christian?
@@outerspace7391 As far as I know most sorbs are catholic. But I don't really have connections towards their community, so I'm not too sure about that.
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@@outerspace7391 sorns
Estonia went from 80% lutherian to 12% now since ww2. Same reasons.
quite a misinformative and poorly framed short-documentary.
The use of the nazbol flag to represent the Soviets especially stood out to me. (along with bad fact checking in general.)
I'll be unsubscribing as I don't want to risk being misinformed in the future.
So weird to hear it called a state sponsored belief system. Its atheism, the point is not to believe.
It turns in to worship of the state. Man has to worship some thing its just the nature of our race. I see people who get fanatical over fandoms now days.
@@kinggundragon3728 Newsflash: Most Atheists couldnt give a rats ass about the state. Good fucking luck seperating faith and nationalism though.
@@elseggs6504 No the modern day Atheists mostly worship some random pop culture crap as I sated at the end.
@@kinggundragon3728 "it turns into worship of the state"
And I have yet to see *anyone* pray to a poster of John Rambo every Sunday.
@@elseggs6504 Not my fault you didnt read the last part. " I see people who get fanatical over fandoms now days."
As for the state worship you must have never talked with a communist or a socialist of any form. Or a libertarian that swears by the constitution.
Hell I wish they worshiped John Rambo.
U think West Germany also Religious like you think they're? 😂
Id argue its not a east Germany thing, church membership is declining everywhere and most "Christians" are only in name, it just so happens that it happened in the more progressive country
I think it's a combination of both factors
Good for them, as a gay Tennessean I welcome the decline of religion
@@wtripley On top of being an f-word I would like to inform you that after communism collapsed in Eastern Europe religion saw a huge rebound in most ex-c*mmunist countries just to make your day suck even more :) , enjoy failing in the game of natural selection.
@Joseph Walsh lol! Morals existed long before God was created :)
@@wtripley I welcome the decline of liberalism and christianophobes like you!
It's a very inconclusive case when looking at Europe as a whole. You can't really find much of a pattern with the way religion has swayed these past 100 years.
The Nordic Countries had relatively little attack on their religion, nor was their religion attacking them. Yet today, *belief* is out the window, however many cultural church traditions remain.
The Czechs were forced by the Austrians to be Catholic and forced by the Russians to be atheist. In the end, atheism largely won.
Yet still, Catholicism in Poland really turned into a symbol of Polish sovereignty and unity against the Nazis and Commies, leading to Poland's modern-day high Catholic engagement.
Quite similar to Poland, the Catholic Church had become a rallying point for the Irish during their many centuries under British occupation. Yet unlike the Poles, today Ireland has become quite secular.
While at first glance one might get the impression that Catholicism tends to remain while Protestantism tends to lead to atheism, we can look to France as a Catholic counter-example and Latvia + West Germany as counter-examples for the Protestant side. Let's not forget Angela Merkel's party explicitly represents Christian values.
In the end, we can point to why a certain country turned out the way it did, but it is a whole different challenge to point to another nation and predict the same thing would happen to them.
(just to add another layer of complication- I didn't even touch the confusing church attendance trends)
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Everything you just said should have been included in the video.
Many preachers and priests will all tell you the same thing too: adversity pushes people into the pews while wealth and ease pushes them back out. I work with a company that does cheap or free construction work for some local churches of a few different variety as charity (Buddhist temple, protestant church, a protestant homeless shelter, and a bit for a catholic mission) and they all told me that it was standing room only for months after 9/11, during the first year or so of the war on terror, and during the first year or so into the recession. Once the economy picked up church attendance dropped, then during the early rounds of COVID church attendance skyrocketed again.
Many of these European countries (not all) have 1 of 2 things in common: either they had a rise in atheism because they're extremely wealthy countries that are easy to live in (Nordic countries with the worlds best welfare system and high wages or France with their 35 hour work weeks) or religion was virtually extinguished by militant atheism. Outside of the former USSR most of the more atheist countries have had stable lives, little violence, high pay, great welfare, and low crime rates compared to the rest of the world at the time. Look at France who've enjoyed high wages, fewer work hours, and a liberal democracy since WW2 compared to their fellow Catholics in Spain who suffered roughly 35 years under the dictator Franco, lower pay, and constant political persecution and repression. Once the repression ended secularization and atheism grew and within a generation the country was markedly less religious, with religiousness dropping as the economy flourished following joining the EU and roughly 30 years of economic growth.
The USSR was actually pretty gentle compared to their allies to the east: North Korean, especially Pyongyang used to be the capital of east asian Christianity and North Korea used to be second biggest christian Asian country behind the Philippines until they were almost all exterminated, and a similar thing happened and continues to happen in China and Vietnam (I've heard at their peak around 10% or more of Vietnam and China were Christian).
You could also include the south of Europe in your analisis, by far the most connected with catholicism, Spain went from being one of the most catholic countries in europe to have the biggest drop of all, probably bc the strong bond between Franco's dictatorship and the catholic church.
I wouldn’t say the CDU “explicitly” represents Christian values anymore. It’s just a nominal title.
The question is why east part of Germany, which was under communist rule, still remain atheist although other east European countries that were under communism returned to religion.
In all east European countries which were under communist rule, religion has returned to a great extent, like Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine, even Russia, but in east Germany not.
Worse resistance and hatred for the ussr than in east germany
He literally answered why that was (or at least his opinion of why that was) - East Germany was traditionally more Protestant whereas the other countries that had been under communist rule were mostly Catholic or Orthodox, and he said the Protestants were not as zealous in their faith as the Catholics or Orthodox were (his opinion, not mine). Watch from 9:02
I’m not sure I agree with his opinion on how zealous each religion is to their faith but the difference in the religious landscape of the countries is something that could have influenced the outcome in some way and created the difference seen today
Those countries are poorer.
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I think its due to more separation of church and state in Germany whereas other countries like Poland had state churches, Germany was more religiously pluralistic (having a few different protestant churches as well as the catholic church) whereas countries like Poland were mainly just catholic, and there were closer ties to religion as a cultural identity in other countries who used the church as a rallying point for both resistance and as a sense of identity. Not to mention the fact that Germany had just suffered decades of militant atheism under the Nazis prior to the Soviet take over so they were already having declining religion but West Germany reestablished churches so their faiths rebounded while east Germany had decades more of persecution. Plus East Germany arguably had some of the worst repression of all the Soviet states due to the risks of western intrusion with the Stasi exceeding the KGB in terms of control over the populace as well as raw numbers (I've heard the Stasi:civilian rate was more then 10 times that of the KGB:civilian rate) so that meant state atheism was much easier to enforce.
it's awesome that they're atheist, I'm also atheist from post Soviet Republic
Not really
Unbased.
Uncool tbh
Nah,atheism is boring
Lol did a Sunday school brigade these comments or something?
Doing a video on a divide between populations of former states of West and East Germany and confusing Berlin Wall with the Iron Curtain. Twice.
Dude.
9:55 Damn i didn't know Berlin was that far west and so long, no wonder no one crossed the Berlin wall if it ran along the entire East German border. Bet that took a lot of guys to man as heavily as it was manned. I always thought the Berlin wall was in Berlin, not on the east-west border ;)
Oh, sarcasm! I get it 😆
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The Berlin Wall was only in Berlin, it wasn’t the entire east/west border.
Interesting video. Nice job.
What is your favorite city in East Germany? I visited Germany on a study abroad trip in 2002, including to places like Dresden. Also, do you have any German ancestry? Thanks!
My late brother, Tim, lived in Berlin after he separated from.the Army in 1987...he stayed there until 1995 when the Allied powers pulled up stakes...he was present when the Wall fell on the night of my 40th birthday 9 Nov 89...the Protestant Reformation began in what we (at least I) remember as East Germany...I was lucky to visit not only Berlin but also Leipzig....home of J S Bach who spent the last years ifbhis life as the Kappelmeister of the Thomaskirche...
@@cbroz7492 I hope that you had a happy birthday!
Germany sucks through and through, I went there for a week traveing access the country and didn't meet one nice person, everyone was seemingly annoyed that in was talking to them. even when I made
big efforts to come across as good as possible they still visually and verbaly detested that I was even there. They're an angry permenantly sour people and I'm never going back.
I know there are a lot of nice people I Germany for sure but I didn't meet any, so my opinion of Germany is pretty much as low as can be.
The smaller ones like Quedlinburg or Werningerode.
@@helbrassen4576 If you've only visited cities like Cologne, Berlin or the Ruhr area, this will most likely have been the case. In these three cities, people like to say that they are always friendly, helpful and hospitable. But if the opposite is true. Visit rural regions like the Rhineland, the Eifel or the Harz Mountains.
2:03 I heard some melodies on the background, it seems to be similar to the melodies that Jonna Jinton ( a Swedish vloger )uses and it's amazing, it fit absolutely with content
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Thank you for sharing.
9:06 have you ever heard about a country called Czech Republic? It was 90.5% Catholic according to the 1930 census. Down to ~40% in 1991, currently at about 12%. You didn't even do your research.
that's what I call a decline :-)
Czechs are weirdos.
@@tancreddehauteville764 only 12% are weirdos
@@gisha6791 Why are you so proud of being atheist? I find atheism a form of nihilism, someone who believes in nothing has no purpose to live.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Believing that God sacrificed himself to himself for some reason he invented himself is so stupid that I actually get a brain ache
I like that you with your mediocre research only like positive comments and don't try to look at the mistakes you made
Also, many Christians simply fled west of the inner German border, making those who weren't religious the only ones left. And of course the forced removals of Germans from the ex-eastern lands (i.e. east of the Oder-Neisse Line) also played a role.
I love your animations
The west employed just as many former national socialists as the east of the country did. Be it in the military or the civilian administration. Several people who served as Representatives in the Bundestag also were former members of the SA and SS. But since this is not the subject of this video, let´s leave it at that.
Your Southern Neighbour's FPÖ also has some brown history and did end up being one of the two ruling parties. Until their leader was caught snorting coke and try to sell his own country out.
My bad but there is allot of biased rhetoric here. West Germany also took former Nazi's too help build the government as well as the Bundeswher also trying to tone down the atrocities commited by the Wehrmacht in WWII. This video is more religious right wing propaganda than actual historical education.
Buddy, it's just inaccurate
He toned down the Nazi side. The Nazi's were sending pastors to concentration camps too. They were burning down churches and killing religious opposition.
They weren't treated as poorly as the Jews, but the Nazi's wanted to lay the foundation for a Germany without Christianity
Seethe, Cope & Dilate.
Couldn’t get through the propaganda
10:40 You're saying the young people in East Germany have remained loyal to the "once state sponsored belief system"
Are you talking about atheism ? Atheism is not a religious belief system, it is the lack of one.
Or maybe you're talking about communism but that doesn't make sense either.
Na, you just believe theres no god. It is still a beliefsystem.
Atheism has many implications (beliefs you have to have to be consistent with atheism) such as:
1. that you can get away with murder, rape etcetera if no one catches you, 'ause you opine there is no hell to pay.
2. more.
Atheist preachers always deny implications 'cause they're indefensible, and they like to pretend to be invulnerable to attack. They're always big on attacking and miserable at defending. Well, at both, really.
Watch.
Atheist fanatics....: would it be rational to believe that a cat walked on a keyboard to type your message?
@@scintillam_dei lol, have you guys solved the theodizee yet? If you're only behaving because you fear some kind of hell, you're not a moral person. You're just a wimp, afraid of the tooth fairy.
@@bravexxrecon9872 lack of belief is not a belief in of itself
@@scintillam_dei " that you can get away with murder, rape etcetera if no one catches you, 'ause you opine there is no hell to pay.", if what's keeping you from doing horrible acts is a fear of god and not your own morale compass then maybe you should do some self reflection, god would not accept you or that.
Idk in what universe you are living but in this one Europe is by far the most secular continent on earth. State sanctioned religion is just a bad idea and leads to widespread resentment for religious institutions.
State sanctioned religion is how 90% of European countries religion works. Christianity is literally sanctioned by the state in tax write offs or budget for cathedral repairs or for wages. Not sure what world you live in but religion is very much sanctioned here, they're just not apart of the government
@@juniorcrusher2245 he probably means state churches like the Lutheran ones in northern Europe
@@juniorcrusher2245 I'm talking about how secular the people are. State religion ruins the enterprise of religion in Europe. You know why religion is so successful in the US, because church and state are separate. The British secular humanist have been campaigning for years to get state sanctioned religion abolished which is a weird stance seeing that if it was to happen it would probably lead to a religious renaissance comparable with the reformation
@@santi2683 that's like 1/5 of Europe. Most of Europe is either Catholic or orthodox both being very much state sanctioned
@@corriedebeer799
Do not generalize about religion.
If that's the case with christianity then whatever.
In Islam for example it's part of the religion to rule over a nation to the point where a secular can never be considered a Muslim.
So what I am saying is that the secular stuff ain't really applyable and secularism is simply state atheism but under a different name.
A detect a small hint of bias against socialism
I’d say more anti-totalitarianism than anti-socialism
Imagine not being against socialism.
against totalitarianism you mean
@@gonzalodiaz9326 it's not about socialism being good or bad, it's about this video being biased when history should be viewed objectively
@@BeorEviols being objective means being honest and straightforward. Socialism is objectively bad. Saying it's an opinion is like me saying it's okay to steal my neighbor's bicycle and punching him in the mouth when he complains about it because that's my subjective opinion.
Czechia: Hey i've seen this one!
At 10:00, “draw a line where the Berlin Wall once stood”? This is laughable, what are you talking about?!!
Why does the tone of this documentary make is sound like it's a bad thing? The more secular a country the more prosperous and free, while the more religious it is, the more 3rd world it remains.
Also, the scientific progress during the 20th century helped more people to be non-religious (atheists). Secularism is growing for many years.
For example, in the Netherlands more than the half of the population are not religious at all. In Russia so many people are in words part of the Orthodox Church and Islam, but actually the most of the population are atheists too. So, Russian and Dutch people are both not very religious. Believe me. I'm a Russian citizen living in the Netherlands. I'm an atheist too.
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 They say so in polls to express their national "identity", especially, pro-Putin people, who want to be very different from the Western world. It becomes clearer during big conflicts between Russia and the whole world. Despite their answers in polls, most of those "Orthodox Christians" don't visit churches at all and never read the Russian version of the Bible (or other versions of it). I was born in Russia and used to live there as a child in the end of 1990s and in 2000s.
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I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily. (Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727, pioneer of modern physics)
"The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator" (Louis Pasteur 1822-1895, pioneer of bacteriology)
"The laws of nature are written by the hand of God in the language of mathematics"(Galileo Galilei 1564-1642, astronomy)
"But again I looked and saw Jesus, my substitute, scourged in my stead and dying on the cross for me. I looked and cried and was forgiven. And it seems to be my duty to tell you of that Saviour, to see if you will not also look and live: How simple it all becomes when the Holy Spirit opens the eyes " (James Young Simpson 1811-1907 pioneer of anaesthetics and physician)
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Sounds like you are a traitor to Russia and making fun of Orthodox religion and siding with decadent Dutch
@@o.07mf shut up, if it wasnt for the LGBTQ whom your cult persecuted you wouldnt be using a phone rn.
"Still remain loyal to their once state sponsored state system". I like most of this video but the assumption that religion is the default is a bit insulting. If anything it shows that once people are removed from any pressure to follow a community religion they choose their own path. Although it is worth noting that he he doesn't differentiate between atheism and agnosticism or any form of personal belief that isn't part of a church.
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That's not how it works, people naturally crave spirituality and religion. The state sponsored atheism is what was forced on the people of East Germany.
In West Germany after 1945 people found in Christianity a new way and help from the bad situation being hated as war criminals by other nations. The Christian Democratic Union (CDU) was founded drawing a new roadmap into the future.
Thanks for this video it comes at a good time to give us perspective and more information on crucial history that will repeat itself many times in the world history
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I have no sympathies for Stalin. That said, the one sidedness of this video was flagrant. You made it seem like the West was doing nothing but minding their own p's and q's, and being innocent and impartial. As if they weren't working with the same Nazis you mentioned the East working with. Look up Operation Gladio for Christ sake.. Trying to watch interesting, well illustrated videos about history - not be dowsed in Western propaganda. I was educated in the US, I've already received more than enough of that.
Funnily enough, in retrospect, is easy to say which regime was evil and godless.
Yet, during the 20th century, there were times where the USSR surpassed the West in nearly all aspects (people, at times, even thought that communism was going to take over the world) - this unfortunately was not the case later on with idiotic head of states (e.g. Nikita Khrushchev).
Yeah they blame Communism for everything while they conveniently ignore US racism, slavery, apartheid, white supremacism, and Native American genocides. US army in WW2 was blatantly racist and only allow a few non whites to enlist. While soviets had hundreds of thousands of non white slavs around. Let’s not forget British Churchill well planed famine on India 🇮🇳...
the world needs more east germany religion policy
Gee, I wonder what the answer could be given that the line almost perfectly follows the former border lol.
9:45 that's the Iron Curtain not the Berlin Wall XD
In the long run we will probably become an atheistic country, or a country of individual religious practice. The behavior of the churches in Germany is shameful. What you saw in the German Pope. He remained silent about the abuse, in his home town of Regebsburg an alarming number of choirboys were abused. Nationwide cases of abuse with the epicenter in Cologne, where the responsible bishop tried to prevent the publication of the reports. Then there are the cases of wasted money in the diocese of Limburg or the "Carithas lie" where the church falsely claims to finance hospitals and the like, but 90% of which is paid through taxes. Then the cases where the church fired doctors, the raped women gave the morning-after pill, a geriatric nurse who was divorced and remarried was fired or people who left the church. From my family I know that at least the numbers look like this: the churches were empty on Sundays even before Covid, fewer and fewer parents are baptizing their children or for first communion, and there are almost no church weddings. Only the funerals rise.
Yet you have a pfp like a hypocrate you are.
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@83 Fleet83 Jesus is the only way
@83 Fleet83 And this dumb argument about religion and faith is one of the reasons why I don't see religion as a good thing
I think we all know the answer to this without watching this lmao
GDR side of berlin wall... Hope you ment iron curtain not berlin wall since the wall wasnt on gdr border...
At the 2:28 mark, what is that flag between the two French Tricolours?
Saar Protectorate
Angela Merkel father was a priest in GDR church and staunch intercessor of GDR church
Yes, the "red" Kasner. Merkel herself was a Fdj Secretary.
this voice is on of my favorite of all the people
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The difference between Nazis and Stazis was not explained well. Hitler strongly hated communism and so did his followers. Most of the Stazi were Russian or Polish ex military police. It’s a common misconception that the Nazis liked communism because they were the National Socialist German Workers Party. The Nazis were far right extremists who completely opposed communism because of its liberal origins.
It seems that not only is some of the information incorrect for example the border between East and West Germany was not where the Berlin Wall existed, but the tone that seems biased and not totally objective.
Minor correction: The Berlin Wall did not encompass the entire border of East Germany, just around the enclave of West Berlin. The rest of the East/West German border along with all the countries under USSR influence was open referred to as the "Iron Curtain" since the Soviets heavily restricted movement between eastern and western Europe. My grandfather grew up in East Germany, left after WWII but managed to visit several times. He always said that the Soviets just replaced one authoritarian regime (the Nazis) with another (Communism). In either case, there wasn't enough room for both a cult of religion and a cult of personality/ideology to exist at the same time.
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You can say a lot about East Germany but it’s view on religion is probably the best what day ever did
opressing and banning religion is in your opinion good?
@@ermin2248 yes
@@limondorn1494 and sending religious people and priests to working camps?
@@ermin2248 yes
And yes
9:58 The red line is not the Berlin Wall
Man I had this question for so long thanks for the video
In short, if there is a diffrence between west and east Germany, it's the soviets fault.
Why isn’t east Germany religious ?
Soviet Union : breathing heavily
Will you do a map video on pagan to modern religion migrations.
I think it would be better if you added subtitles in all your videos.
Antonio Gramsci said that for the push of the socialist cause, one of the most important factors is the destruction of the church. The GDR lived a long time under the communist regime, so it's natural that they are not religious.
But atheism is rising in western nations especially in West Europe,Us which are free from Soviet control.
@@historyeditz8326 that because of degeneracy and rise in secularism.
@@theyoutubenomad.3035 degenracy like paedophile priests, sure.
Not really buiyiung it. Romania is an ex communist country and now is around 98% religious. Also Ukraineis very relicious. Russia is very religious. I think it's more co mplicated than that.
This video is very ideological.
I don’t think the Berlin Wall went along the entire border of east and west Germany
I am an Atheist. My parents are atheists. All of my friends are atheists. I went to a Protestant school, 50% of all teachers were atheists, two students in our entire class were quiet believers. My entire family is atheist. No one I know takes religion seriously. The media doesn't take it serious. Apart from my teachers, the first time I saw people defending christianity was on the Internet.
It feels like a joke.
Well ya it feels like a joke cos u hardly around anyone who believes it what ddi u think when Christians thought of ppl who ddint believe in God, they probably would of thought ur mad or something, it goes both ways, and theres an intellectually side christianity that isnt talked about cos u know religion bad muhh even though is has greatly influenced the way the west is whether ppl like it or not
@@kacgb5315 I went to a Christian school, I have been teached all about the intelectual and moral side of lutheren Christianity, but I still think it is a joke. People believe in god(s) to:
1. Help control themselfs and make hard or complicated decisions more easily.
2. To not lose hope in humanity, reality and life.
I meen, it works but I have found my own reason to live and I have my own moral compass. Yes, I have been expierencing the more uncontrollable side latly, but I will never seriously believe in things like Genesis and I just cant comprehend people believing in it.
@@Proxima_Livion bro Christianity is not a joke Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again on the third day
@@DefenderOfChrist_ very funny
@@Proxima_Livion from which country you are?
Maybe, just maybe, it also has something to do with the fact that there is no evidence supporting god's existence, just saying...
One word, Israel. Israel has been reborn just as prophesied. Atheists truly are ignorant about God's word and fulfilled prophecies. Name one other ancient country with a 2 thousand year old proclamation of being reborn in the last days that has been fulfilled. Scriptures that speak of Israels rebirth are: Ezekiel 34:13, Amos 9:14, Jeremiah 16:14-15, which even prophesies that Jews would return to Israel from the north, aka Russia. There are many other fulfilled prophecies in the Bible that have no explanation other than the existence of a transcendent God.
@@SevenThunderful Lol.
Of course, the reborn of Israel cannot be explained rationally. It's not like the place was literally invaded by Jews following the WWII, eh?
It's pretty disrespectful for anyone involved in the creation of Israel to think God just spawned this country out of existence, but I guess anything that helps you deal with your denial sounds fine to you.
When people want proof of God existence, they want something respecting the scientific method. Not some random prophecies in a book written by humans.
@@SevenThunderful Are you saying that it is so illogical for people to be granted land while displacing the inhabitants due to something written thousands of years ago that there has to be a supernatural explanation for that? well, maybe you have a point, it seems really absurd to me :P
@@elcaricaturable or just maybe, maybe.....it was state atheism and the ppl there believe in atheism cos theyv been brought up in it and everything they've known was atheistic... that could be a thought who knows but that's the biggest reasons and factor for sure, and evidence for gods existence it.depends on what u see as evidence cos u could be a hyper sceptic like Dawkins and explain anything away and it will never convince u, so evidence is subjective to everyone, just like u would have to show that there is no God and u try to show evidence ic an just say there isnt any going against gods existence but ay each to their own
@@kacgb5315 Now I'm thinking that you are right. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was praying Our Nonexistent Father, it is a prayer that I repeat every day to stay an atheist. I was also confessing all my sins to my totalitarian commissar, because I was considering the possibility that God really exists, and just thinking about it is a sin. He is so totalitarian that he can ask me any detail about my personal life that he considers a sin. With mandatory prayers and conffessions, no wonder why there are so many atheists in those formerly totalitarian countries.
You confuse the Berlin wall with the Iron Curtain. The Berlin wall is (was) IN Berlin. Not on the border of the DDR and BRD.
Iron curtain not Berlin wall. West Berlin is inside Brandenburg-Ost.
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It's because there are almost no Polak or Moravak people in the East. I lived in weird and decadent Berlin and now I live in twisted and decadent Prague. So Eastern Germany and Bohemia are somewhat atheist (with weird cults of every kind in previously mentioned cities), but why are the fully Slavic countries or areas usually so fanatic in their religious pursuit? And why for example Sweden, Estonia or Albania are so atheist? In compare to them Bohmen or Sachsen are like Vatican!
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Czechia is the most (or the 2nd most) atheist country on the world, which has deep roots in 1400s. Hussitism, crusades against us and Hussite legacy remained. And during communism idea of atheism was even more supported, priesthood persecuted and faith faded. Generally speaking, communism in industrialized regions made faith in God nearly extinct, while in less developed areas in the east faith in God helped to keep people under control.
Sweden isn't "so atheist", it's quite a Christian country.
@@tomasl.8806 Even if your assumptions were right, it gives little sense. Many countries endured worse kinds of communism and Czechoslovakia or Czechia became quickly more atheist after the fall of communism. Each year the numbers dropped more and more. It's hard to count it anyway. There are many people claiming to be atheists and also many believing in something. I think Czechia has a lot of religious minorities and many people calling themselves atheists when being buddhist or agnostics, thought not members of any major or organized religious group. It's doubtful at best as is mixing tradition with religion. Aren't the Czech Catholics rather traditionalists as in the Sweden? Sometimes it seems that there are more religions or spiritual ways than people in the Czech republic. But my question is about all the Slavic countries like Slovakia, Ukraine, Russia, Poland and so on? There was also communism. I do agree that Estonia and Albania also had communist regimes. In Albania it's less obvious shift.
@@tomasl.8806 So the Czech republic is Hussite? Why are there the high numbers of Catholics then? Can you provide more about the industrial link? Russians think it has something to do with things like German soul and Slavic soul or how to call it. You can use Jung.
@@lamaahruloma4270 No, Czech Republic is cca 73-76% atheist, not hussite (although there is still official Czech Brotherhood Church Evangelic with few thousands members). The thing with hussitism is that they had they revolt for freedom of faith. Hussite wars ensured that Czech people were granted freedom to choose which form of Christianity they prefer. But the war was bloody and rough, so people lost their faith in churches in general. So this period helped to lower Catholic influence and decentralize faith in God.
Industrial link is simple - More educated or wealthy classes are generally less devoted. Russia/Ukraine had much higher percentage of lower social class citizen than Germany or Czechia, which were highly industrialized
My grandpa came from Mexico his ancestors in my last name is Aleman. So that means German and Spanish so when Mexico was getting its independence from Germany they hired a bunch of European merchandise like Russian and German soldiers cuz Mexicans were short Farmers for the most part and some of the soldiers didn't want to spend all their money going back home and so when the Mexican became a country they just married local beautiful women and opened up machine shop so when you needed your farm equipment fixed or your bike fixed or whatever your car you would say hey take it to the Germans on the corner take it to aliens and so that's how my last name came to be and it's a very popular last name in Mexico can you make a video about that please or something like that.
German immigration to Mexico is a very interesting topic that gets little discussion. There are some places in Mexico that have high populations of Germans or people of German ancestry. Also, there are several Mexican beers that are heavily inspired by German brewing practices.
@Nocoinersbtfo oh just ignore them 2e are not germanic obviously and thankfully
The Berlin Wall was teh dividing line between East and West Berlin - not East and West Germany
Sounds like this video was made by mad protestant 😂
Dude. At this point you should just delete this with this bias and a mistakes.
As a german (witnessing the times of east and west) I can assure you it's not 100% right. Meanwhile only the southern part of Germany, especially Bavaria, could really be seen as religious. The other three are just "normal": you can find religious people there as well as non-religious even in the eastern part 😉 (Yes, there are a little less religious people in the eastern part, for the reasons you mentioned) It's probably mainly a development of the people because the strict separation between state and church over the decades since WW2 (also in the west😉). Or in a nutshell: At least since the end of the war the church doesn't have any might or political power in Germany whether in the west or in the east 😉
9:58 - Inner-German Border, not Berlin Wall.
Very shallow and biased.
First of all you have no explanation for the question you've presented. You just went on talking without presenting any answer.
Secondly it sounded another Christian victimization propaganda.
I really hope this show is not in Curiousity. I would seriously question the legitimacy of the other shows on Curiousity if they let videos like this to be streamed.
This video:
11 minutes long
Content:
"Stalin says hello!"
Where exactly in Europe are they religious (outside of Poland perhaps)?
@Nocoinersbtfo There are maps on Google.
Balkans, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Hungary and Portugal are religious
It's because they still worship their Trabants instead of God.
A second Northern Crusade is necessary.
-Pope Francis
What ?
Correct
@Nocoinersbtfo yes ❤️😄😘.
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