Very interesting, I didn't know there was that much detail work in the baffles of a suppressor. We aren't allowed to play with them at all up here, so I haven't got any experience with how they're made.
I may not have a degree, but I wish to inform the watchers of this that it is advisable to drill all the baffles at the same time, if feasible, to maintain concentricity. The same applies to the gas reliefs, using a mill, if available. Just a thought.
@@thunderkat5282 That's precisely my idea. Drill the bore first, then the vent holes are done in the mill. Do the external cone surfaces, part the baffles, and do the internal cones.
What is your impression if subsinjcs with radial cones. I heard there's no clip there's slits down the side of the cone part of baffles except the blast baffle. U can see they use about 15 baffjes abd get closer and closer till it reaches the end cap. It also has these notches on the side maybe to line up the slits? Which I did with the quarter size diamond Dremel bit. Since I can't figure out how to cut my skirts Im getting a 3 inch 3/8 SS cutting blade cut off wheel and a vice....
I like using radials. Not sure what you are talking about though. Sounds like you are referring to a photo of someone's can, but didn't mention whose can.
Clipping them like this or another way, there is a difference. The way shown in this video is an older/not so much in use, way. Single clipping is the norm now.
@@number40Fan Perfect answer. Thank you very much. I just do not see the utility of this. Single clipping makes perfect sense and I’m sure you know why. As long as they are aligned. It’s actually quite brilliant. Now: in your experience is anything markedly superior to that?
gasses are traveling faster than bullet, these cutouts will allow additional passage for the gasses to exit barrel - (ahead of bullet) only advantage would be less blowback...IMHO
I have a cheap set of drill bits from Lowe's. I think it is a 20 piece set. Make sure they are sharp. The one I used in this video wasn't that sharp. That's why there was a lot of screeching. I think I mention in the video which cone I was drilling, but I did both SS and Ti in my build. Just don't let the cone get hot.
@@number40Fan Thanks~ I have no experience for hardened metal drilling, the 1st time drilling was terrible, I do not know how I finished the cones. In the last a friend told me I should run the drill press in a low speed and put some cutting oil. Will try for other form 1s. Only saw DHC result on youtube. Is it better than only a hole cones? :)
Yes, a lot better. If you need some guides for your cones, find me on form1suppressors.boards.net. I also have holders 3D printed or aluminum. I even make some drilling jigs that will keep the drill bit centered over the cone.
@@number40Fan I bought one of your aluminum holders, about 3 weeks ago, and it was the way to go. Could you send me a link with a picture of your drill jig that will keep it centered and a price? I am interested in maybe purchasing that too.
these additional passages will allow more gas force to pass with the bullet and apply a side force to the bullet, instead of delaying the gasses ...... as the gasses are traveling faster than the bullet, the purpose of a suppressor is to SLOW DOWN THE GASSES.... this system defeats this accomplishment...........just increase length of the spacers IMHO
main factor of baffles in a suppressor is to slow gassed (trapping gas as bullet seals at exit hole) enlarging hole or adding additional holes will increase speed of gasses >>defeating purpose
number40Fan I have been trying to join this form to place a order with you. Several people seem to have the same issue. Is there another way to get in touch with you?
I’ve bought and used some of these and they are without a doubt the best way for a DIY method of clipping your baffles the right way.
Thanks!
Where did you find them? How can I buy?
Very interesting, I didn't know there was that much detail work in the baffles of a suppressor. We aren't allowed to play with them at all up here, so I haven't got any experience with how they're made.
There are other ways of clipping them, but this style is pretty popular.
@@number40Fan I bet that this would work great for a rifle ...how about a radial cone with this type of clip for a 9mm pistol?
Yep, I make and sell the guides for most of the cones being sold right now. You can find me on the Form1 board.
Great job! Good informative info and narration.
Thanks.
I found this method of clipping to be much easier and better: th-cam.com/video/nOqNB4gSJqY/w-d-xo.html
I may not have a degree, but I wish to inform the watchers of this that it is advisable to drill all the baffles at the same time, if feasible, to maintain concentricity. The same applies to the gas reliefs, using a mill, if available. Just a thought.
That’s a bad idea unless you’re 100% sure your drill is the same path as the bore of the barrel. Better to drill them separately
@@thunderkat5282 That's precisely my idea. Drill the bore first, then the vent holes are done in the mill. Do the external cone surfaces, part the baffles, and do the internal cones.
What if the centers of your cones are not marked? How do you fine the center?
What is your impression if subsinjcs with radial cones. I heard there's no clip there's slits down the side of the cone part of baffles except the blast baffle. U can see they use about 15 baffjes abd get closer and closer till it reaches the end cap. It also has these notches on the side maybe to line up the slits? Which I did with the quarter size diamond Dremel bit. Since I can't figure out how to cut my skirts Im getting a 3 inch 3/8 SS cutting blade cut off wheel and a vice....
I like using radials. Not sure what you are talking about though. Sounds like you are referring to a photo of someone's can, but didn't mention whose can.
I'm going to assume these cones arent available anymore?
How can I cut the skirt off an Ss 1.25 baffle? I was told Ridgid 65s but how do u hold it?
Sounds like your best bet would be to find someone with a lathe that you could borrow.
How does it sound fully assembled?
I have a comparison video between the Totality coned suppressor and one with RSCs.
Sounds really good!
@@number40Fan where can I purchase the guides?
Find me on form1suppressor.boards.net
So you’re saying you notice a difference in decibels by clipping them like this?
Clipping them like this or another way, there is a difference. The way shown in this video is an older/not so much in use, way. Single clipping is the norm now.
I wasn’t sure if this was a sound thing or an accuracy thing. Thanks for the response
Hello do you find that this is superior to clipping just one side and aligning all the clips?
Single clipping is the way to go. This style was popular a few years ago and that is why I was making these at the time.
@@number40Fan Perfect answer. Thank you very much. I just do not see the utility of this. Single clipping makes perfect sense and I’m sure you know why. As long as they are aligned. It’s actually quite brilliant. Now: in your experience is anything markedly superior to that?
@@jaycee30865 No.
@@number40Fan :) thank you sir. Very good. And you have sampled mono core? I like kicking dead horses around.
@@jaycee30865 Never used a mono-core.
You should buy a 2 axis milling vice and some cutting bits.
Nah. But, these were a great help back in the day.
gasses are traveling faster than bullet, these cutouts will allow additional passage for the gasses to exit barrel - (ahead of bullet) only advantage would be less blowback...IMHO
Spend some time looking at cutaways of suppressors and let me know how many you find that don't have some sort of clipping.
Why could not use a 1/8" new end mill ??
You could if you wanted too. Milling in a drill press isn't recommended though.
The chucks like to pop off when you apply side load.
Where can I get one of these?
Most people will single clip their cones and that is easy enough to do without a need for a guide tool.
@@number40Fan
I’m doing a double clip on the baffles. It’s why I’m inquiring on the jig.
@@526247403 Whose cones are you using and what shape are they?
Are you giving the STL's out for the guides? Also, do you have any guides for radials?
None of the .SLTs are for sale, but I have a guide available for just about every cone being sold.
Which Drill bits did you use for the cone? Is it SS Cone or Ti Cone?
I have a cheap set of drill bits from Lowe's. I think it is a 20 piece set. Make sure they are sharp. The one I used in this video wasn't that sharp. That's why there was a lot of screeching. I think I mention in the video which cone I was drilling, but I did both SS and Ti in my build. Just don't let the cone get hot.
@@number40Fan Thanks~ I have no experience for hardened metal drilling, the 1st time drilling was terrible, I do not know how I finished the cones. In the last a friend told me I should run the drill press in a low speed and put some cutting oil. Will try for other form 1s. Only saw DHC result on youtube. Is it better than only a hole cones? :)
Yes, a lot better. If you need some guides for your cones, find me on form1suppressors.boards.net. I also have holders 3D printed or aluminum. I even make some drilling jigs that will keep the drill bit centered over the cone.
@@number40Fan I bought one of your aluminum holders, about 3 weeks ago, and it was the way to go. Could you send me a link with a picture of your drill jig that will keep it centered and a price? I am interested in maybe purchasing that too.
If you're a member of the forum, form1suppressor.boards.net/thread/3399/update-drilling-jigs
If not, join up and shoot me a message.
Really cool. Any chance someone knows if that guide setup would work on armorers den 60* cones?
Do you recommend single clip or double clip?
Clipping size and depth is relevant to caliber bore you're using though right?
No, the DHC is universal.
Is totality still in business? Just got form 1 back.
Edit: Nvm no they are not
Like you found out, they are no longer around. I don't think we know exactly what happened either.
@@number40Fan I heard he was using gov. Equipment/materials on Barksdale AFB and ATF raided his ass.
Yikes!
Oops, sorry about that last reply. When TH-cam showed I had a reply, I didn't see that it was a reply to a previous comment.
What's up with the fancy cuts? Wont a normal bit/hole work? Or is this some tacticool fudd crap they are selling people on now?
If you don't know how clipping works, learn about it and come back.
What file you using and what cutting wheel for dremel?
1/8" square file I found on Amazon and the cutting wheel came out of a cheap kit I bought at Harbor Freight.
@@number40Fan thanks buddy! Found out on fb and ordered the file. Thanks for reaching out!!
No problem
What is the reason for clipping the cones? Does it have to be clipped?
The clipping disrupts the flow of gases allowing them to cool and lower the sound. No, they don't have to be clipped.
I couldn't tell you for certain, but I am sure you'd be able to hear it with your ears. That is at least 3 dB, but probably way more.
Where can I get that tool...having a hard time finding it???
From me if you come find me on the form1suppressor boards.
I would like to buy that holder from you can you send me you're email so I can order it
What drill press are you using
Just a cheap press from Harbor Freight. Really need to make sure you have something under the table to keep it from flexing.
What size (od) cones does this work for?
I make them for just about every cone shape and size out there.
Where can I get this set kit? Do you have the link?
Find me on form1suppressor.boards.net/
Same username.
is this guide still for sale?
Yes. Find me on the forum.
Holders and clip guides still available in 1.355"?
Yes, they are. Come find me on form1suppressor.boards.net. Same username.
@@number40Fan are these still available? Also which Dremel disc did you use?
@@number40Fan NVM saw you answered it below! I'm on the boards, can I message you for the holder and guide?
Yes, you can.
@@number40Fan just messaged you. I'm using super precision concepts dividers
this looks like it should be done on a mini mill lol
Yeah, but how many people own one?
All that lovely polished finish machining, then you attack it with a dremel and hand file? Get a mill!
Not everyone can afford a mill. The pretty isn't going to be seen once the can is put together.
My biggest question is... does it make a difference in sound and function meaning POI?
Yes. I'll have a video in a week or two proving that clipping is needed.
these additional passages will allow more gas force to pass with the bullet and apply a side force to the bullet, instead of delaying the gasses ...... as the gasses are traveling faster than the bullet, the purpose of a suppressor is to SLOW DOWN THE GASSES.... this system defeats this accomplishment...........just increase length of the spacers IMHO
Clipping the cones is a MUST, whether you choose this style or any other type of clipping.
main factor of baffles in a
suppressor is to slow gassed (trapping gas as bullet seals at exit hole)
enlarging hole or adding
additional holes will increase speed of gasses
>>defeating purpose
Sucks to see dude close shop and disappear
Yes, it does.
number40Fan yep he was a good dude. I’m shocked the rumors have stopped.
I need some of your jigs
Nice video. Do you have a link for the stl files
No. I make and sell these. You would have to sign up, but here is a link.
form1suppressor.boards.net/thread/3059/dhc-clipping-tool-available-op
number40Fan I have been trying to join this form to place a order with you.
Several people seem to have the same issue.
Is there another way to get in touch with you?
I have been hearing this from others as well. Not sure what is going on with the forum. I prefer to use that forum to keep everything in one place.
Nice 556 subscribers
:D
Complete waste of time. You're not going to get any discernible db reduction over a standard 60 degree cone. Drill it and be done...
Nope. You're wrong. Why do manufacturers sell theirs with some kind of clipping? Because it helps with dB reduction.