Real Historian Responds to "Jesus Was a Myth" Claims
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- The internet is a breeding ground for the claim that Jesus never existed. Historical Jesus scholar, Mike Licona takes on these claims and will be responding to mythicist questions in the Q&A at the end of the video.
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“I’m just a guy making videos about Jesus.” The humility in that statement made me grin from ear to ear. 😄
just wanted to add the same comment !! SO SO GOOD :) I love your work and heart Mike !!
Agree 😊
All for the glory of God...new to this mans’ work but discovered Calvary Chapel in Holbrook, NY and the great expository teaching they all do.
I do not mean to be a killjoy but IMHO he should not ever have to even make that statement. Mike was very sweet singing his praises prior to that ... but when we start singing one another’s praises and calling one another “rock star”.... well, I have only two words .... “Carl” and “Lentz”.
Let’s just all get on with elevating CHRIST and let our reward be heard when we stand before Him.
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I will agree with you in your assessment while at the same time will extend some grace here and this is why. I had no idea who this man was and I did find his opening ok because it gave me some solid background on this man which made me stay and listen. 🙂
Most of the earliest critics of Christianity simply dismissed it for being a Jewish cult. However, one critic in particular named Celsus penned a scathing polemic against Christianity in the 2nd century and he went after practically every doctrine that Christians espoused and did so with mockery and contempt. That being said, nowhere in his polemic did he ever question the historicity of Jesus. To repeat: a 2nd century critic of Christianity did not question the historicity of Jesus. And so anyone who thinks Mythicism is a serious historical hypothesis has to contend with the fact that Celsus didn't debunk the historicity of Jesus when he was in a prime position to do so. If Celsus lacked the means and methods to do so, how has the passage of time improved modern day efforts?
A passage in 2 Peter is responding to Christians that did not believe the Gospels. We do not get to hear what they say.
Well said Gordon.
Gordon Tubbs, you're not quite correct. We have nothing penned by the Greek Celsus (critic of Christianity), because the early Church destroyed his writings. We only know of his critique of christianity via the early Church father, Origien of Alexandria (in the third centiry AD), who apparently quoted arguments from Celsus to refute them. We don't know how complete the quotations from Celsus by Origen are, or what Origen may have omitted that he found too embarrassing to address. But even if Orgien did quote correctly and compehensively from Celsus, your argument is still lame, because the Gods that the Greeks and other ancient peoples worshipped were NOT HSITORICAL EITHER (e.g. Zeus, Apollo, Aphrodite) , yet Greeks (including Celsus) sitll believed in them. So whether or not a God lived and died on earth was not important for their faith. If Celsus had mocked Christians for believing in a non-historical Jesus, then the Christian apologist, Origen, could have mocked and disarmed him right there for double-standards! Furthermore, Celsus was born about two centures after Jesus and in Greece, so he may not have had evidence to refute a historical Jesus, especially bearing in mind the destruction of Jerusalem (and most records there) by the Romans in about 70 AD.
@@psandbergnz There's no evidence to support the claim that the Church destroyed the writings of Celsus, only that (as you said) he may or may not have been quoted in full, which is a big difference. The person of Jesus Christ seemingly avoided getting debunked, both as a historical figure and theological figure, from the earliest days of the Christian movement, when the apostles and disciples faced immense persecution. If Mythicism had ANY merit whatsoever, we would have every reason to see early Jewish critics pen arguments against Jesus on those grounds, and the fact that we don't is very curious. The burden of proof Mythicists have to carry is to explain why there is an absence of Mythicist objections to Christianity in the 1st century (this includes appealing to a conspiracy that Christians destroyed all polemic), and to provide evidence to support whatever theory that explanation.
@@psandbergnz the church never had to destroy the works of celsus for us not to have them.
Time destroys records just fine without the help. Preservation is a byproduct of luck, copying and people keeping/cherishing them.
Unless there's record of their destruction then there's no evidence anyone destroyed them. Destruction is normal, preservation is exceptional.
Mike, I appreciate you so much! I am a 70 year old disciple of Jesus still learning how to understand Scripture and follow my Savior. Your humble, transparent, knowledgeable spirit speaks to my heart.
These historical arguments for Jesus and the Resurrection have been huge in my return to Christ.
It was a lie, but you are not the first one to fall for one. Look at the Mormons they got scammed by Smith.
Great video! Greetings from a bachelor student of religion and a disciple of Jesus from Norway.
I love Norway. It is so idillic.
The opponents of Christianity like Tacitus, Celsus, and Pliny would’ve loved to say that Jesus never existed. But they don’t. I wonder why!
We don't HAVE the works of Celsus. Ironically we only have the "church approved" criticism of Celsus, written by Origen. Valentinian III banned Celsus' works in 448. The church also banned the Talmud (!!!) for a period of time for the same reason: it cast doubt on the approved non-"heretical" writings. They persecuted people in possession of banned books. THAT'S WHY we don't have the vast majority of writings denying the claims of "Matthew" and the other anonymous Gospel writers.
FYI, the Church kept an "Index Librorum Prohibitorum" which officially kept many books banned until 1966 when Pope Paul VI discontinued the list. Galileo's works was on this list for hundreds of years. Fortunately, unlike with the works of Calsus, they couldn't burn all of Galileo's books!
@@EzerEben
“They persecuted people in possession of banned books”
“We don’t have the vast majority of writings”
Exactly!! And you just unwittingly admitted that we don’t have evidence that these texts were even reliable. Sorry but this is question begging of the highest degree!! Ho the irony!! I’m just not convinced by conspiracy theories and obvious confirmation bias, not to mention imaginary invisible texts containing the objective truth. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!! What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence!! Because speculation, confirmation bias, question begging and imaginary books and imaginary invisible texts from antiquity aren’t reliable evidence. This is beyond question begging because even if there was a substantive amount of books and libraries filled from floor to ceiling with texts written by the Roman propaganda machine or any ancient propaganda machine containing negative information claiming Jesus didn’t exist it’s a non sequitur as it does not logically follow that it’s true. It’s common knowledge that conquerers rewrite history and put themselves on a moral pedestal!! Equally, even if it was true that the whole of the Roman Empire and its conquered nations were led to believe that Jesus wasn’t an historical character it’s an appeal to popularity fallacy as well as a non sequitur as it does not logically follow that this makes it true. The atheists Stalin and Hitlers propaganda machine demonstrated that you could easily mislead millions of fairly well educated “literate” people using basic propaganda tools such as rhetoric, appeals to emotion, appeals to outrage, “question begging” and style over substance/facts to confirm people’s attrition biases. It’s common knowledge that militant atheism is rife with this kind of propaganda and still is today!! All you have to do is browse any antI religious/militant atheist TH-cam post for evidence. There’s an online war being raged and this kind of intellectual blood sports is highly addictive particularly for young people. Any of this ring any bells ?? Evidence and citations please that these invisible texts (propaganda) are something more substantive than propaganda and scapegoating!! I’ll wait!! Because as I’ve pointed out already, what can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and question begging and anti Christian propaganda isn’t evidence!! We’ve seen it all before and nothing has changed because the demonising and dehumanising of Christians remains the same. Which is why one hundred thousand Christians currently still die every year due to religious persecution particularly in the Congo. Doesn’t that ring any alarm bells!! ?? The evidence that we actually have (the actually real evidence) regarding Emperor Nero (not imaginary evidence). The real evidence clearly demonstrates that people were purposely given a very negative impression of Christians and Christians were scapegoated for some pretty major incidents and catastrophes. We already have evidence that there was nasty and depraved lies and propaganda spread across the Roman Empire about Christians regarding the burning of Rome etc that lead to many horrific atrocities committed against Christian men, women and children. And nothing has changed which is why this very year one hundred thousand Christians will have been murdered due to religious persecution and propaganda. So why would these imaginary anti Christian texts (ancient propaganda) be any different. The irony is that if they existed at all it’s question begging of the highest degree to assume that they would be reliable and unbiased critiques given the evidence of atrocities already committed against Christians due to faulty information and Roman propaganda. Furthermore, by your same standard of witness reliability regarding Biblical witnesses why should we value and trust imaginary secular witnesses and imaginary non Christians who may or may not have written that Jesus wasn’t an historical character when we already know that the torch of propaganda had already been lit by Nero prejudicing the whole of the Roman Empire including the numerous conquered nations around the whole world against Christianity. Even if there was reliable evidence that Christians got rid of anti Christian propaganda it’s not that controversial that Christians would have been keen to destroy lies and dangerous propaganda to protect their children, families and loved ones given the history of torture and murder of Christians. Emperor Nero was very much aware of the power of propaganda and the damage it can cause not to mention the advantages it can bring. There may well be some texts buried in the annals of time claiming Jesus was an hoax but it’s an enormous stretch of the imagination and is question begging of the highest degree to assume this means that what was written is gospel truth. Just because we suddenly found a stash of Nazi propaganda leaflets claiming that the Battle of Britain didn’t occur and that Hitler was an egalitarian worshipper of a Jewish messiah it does not make it true. Equally, if we found very reliable evidence that England had responded by destroying as much Nazi propaganda as they could lay their hands on it does not logically follow that the Nazis propaganda was true, that is it does not logically follow that the Battle of Britain was an hoax and that Hitler was an egalitarian follower of a Jewish messiah!!
Sorry but appeals to ignorance, confirming bias and question begging aren’t evidence.? Including any (Appeals to Hypocrisy Fallacies) you will predictably respond with.
Solid evidence and citations please not question begging!! I’ll wait!!
I rest my case!!
Why should we believe anything written by those with a obvious bias against Christians and an history of brutality. It’s pretty clear what the early Romans and what all the enemies of Christianity throughout history didn’t believed because….
“What Hitler did not believe and what Stalin did not believe and what Mao did not believe and what the SS did not believe and what the Gestapo did not believe and what the NKVD did not believe and what the commissars, functionaries, swaggering executioners, Nazi doctors, Communist Party theoreticians, intellectuals, Brown Shirts, Black Shirts, gauleiters, and a thousand party hacks did not believe was that God was watching what they were doing. And as far as we can tell, very few of those carrying out the horrors of the twentieth century worried overmuch that God was watching what they were doing either. That is, after all, the meaning of a secular society.” (D.B.).
Hitlers right hand man Joseph Goebbals wrote in his private diaries in 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons”
(Joseph Goebbels).
This kind of evidence please!! I’ll wait!!
I rest my case!!
NPCs: “Trust the experts!”
Experts: “Jesus was a real historical figure and was crucified”
NPCS: “Nuh uh!”
Most of Bible events are actually real, but the thing is you just need to follow the teachings to be saved
@@malvinolimit how is one saved?
more accurately
Me: "trust the evidence"
Experts: "there is no evidence to support the claims of miracles in the bible or elsewhere. While a person named Jesus may have been a real, itinerate rabbi in first century Judea, any claims of miracles (i.e. raising from the dead) are not supported by any reliable direct evidence."
Me: "Cool, thanks."
Saved through trusting in Christ. Trust His finished work on the Cross and His resurrection, as well as His deity and your sin, whoch this is the only way to be saved. Failing to do so means you have chosen to stay in your sin whenever He was the gift sent from God the Father as a free gift to access a relationship with Him.
He’s not just a Savior, but He is the Grace (meaning unmerited favor) of God to save a sinner from themself, and make them a son/daughter of God through how much they are respected and loved via the Cross.
Read Romans 1-8 to understand the teaching of Justification, which is the Gospel of Grace, which is Christianity’s ultimate teaching which separates it from the major religions of the world.
@@jaxsonfanta5420 we are here trying to decide if Jesus was even real and you're piling on all these extra claims that don't answer that question. Are you answering for the other guy that ran away?
At the end of the day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!
Melissa Stone In you dreams🤣
Unfortunately, there is no Jesus. Its all ancient mythology. Get over it.
Good work Mike! Both of you🤪 Michael Licona, you have been a great encouragement to me and the work you are doing is a blessing. Your honest appraisal of different, controversial matters is welcome!
Lol...honest.
Oh really, that’s an honest appraisal? NO, these are Christian theologians saying this. You need to educate yourself more, these christian theologians are just promoting their religion.
@@markhenderson6810 Someone's just angry that Christianity has truth to it. It's okay, stay an atheist.
The sad thing about Dr. Richard Carrier is how he developed the desire to write about Jesus as Myth after losing miserably in a debate with Dr. William Lane Craig
I think he definitely lost to Craig I’m writing a book rn and I’m debunking his thesis in it
@@gabepearson6104 What’s it gonna be called? Or have you decided? Good luck and God bless.
@@LC-jq7vn Forged by fire, Forging an intellectual path to Christianity
I don't think that's sad necessarily. I think it's just part of learning.
@@taylorharbin3948 it is sad. Because he took his loss negatively and dug a deeper hole for himself
Another wonderful presentation. Great guest tonight...really enjoy and appreciate this program.
I remember watching an atheist podcast where a caller was so annoyed that the atheist host could "not admit that Jesus wasn't real." The host tried to explain that his stance hinged on skepticism on whether Jesus could perform miracles, but the caller seemed to be stuck in an "angry atheist phase" that seemed to depend on Jesus's non-existence. It was...interesting.
Well known atheists have an interest in pushing historicity.
It's very clear.
Because once you admit that Jesus was a historical figure, it’s very hard to argue his life was fictional.
@@frenchtoast2319Apollonius of Tyana and Vespasian were historical figures, doesn't mean they actually performed miracles.
@tomasrocha6139 true. Jesus Christ, on the other hand, did perform miracles.
@@frenchtoast2319 How do you know? Vespasian and Apollonius of Tyana were said to have performed miracles as well.
Those of us whom have had a personal revelation of Jesus Christ, knows he is real. The problem is I can't give my experience and knowledge to anyone else. Only the Lord can do that.
How could you get that personal revelation? I wish I had one
@@voltape Theists are thought addicts via the *Holy Dopamine Ghost* (Dopamine Reward System). Imagine the euphoria experienced by the average person for believing they won a million dollars (it could be a joke ticket yet as long as they believe). Now imagine someone having the same sensations, but being convinced it's a paranormal contact for believing John 3:16.
Check out the science (along with some history) on why the proverbial carrot, string, and stick in our neurology can cause us to error in our thinking. Evolution has it's pitfalls for example believing non-evidence as evidence if we do not stop to think (emotional thinking is not quality thinking, but squashes rational thought). Hoarding, compulsive gambling, believing far out conspiracy theories, and drug addiction are related though certain dynamics are at play. We are all capable of confirmation biases, and compartmentalized thinking (holding & protecting a belief in the face of contradicting evidence).
The Holy Dopamine Ghost (Thoughts are addictive):
th-cam.com/play/PLQATeZAnm87BaJjBtM1vMIq_gHRmBq3ie.html
"Genetic and behavioral factors influencing religiously motivated behavior appear related to dopamine metabolism and signaling. Inclination toward religious behavior and motivation has been associated with a polymorphism on the dopamine receptor gene DRD4 (Comings, Gonzales, Saucier, Johnson, & MacMurray, 2000;Sasaki et al., 2013). Acquired disorders of dopamine physiology also show links to religious behaviors."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478470/
"Religious and spiritual experiences activate the brain reward circuits in much the same way as love, sex, gambling, drugs and music, report researchers at theUniversity of Utah School of Medicine. The findings will be published Nov. 29 in the journalSocial Neuroscience."
unews.utah.edu/this-is-your-brain-on-god/
These neurological processes reinforce neural pathways (bridging literal gaps) in the brain in order to repeat thoughts, and behaviours like energy gathering (eating) along with specie perpetuation (sex). Going from drug addiction to Religion is just a placebo switcharoo (not a miracle).
Dopamine in varying levels is also related to creativity, patternicity, making nonsense make sense, and hallucinations (involuntary movements, tactile/feeling embraced, and speaking in tongues are also forms of hallucinations). Also see "Dopamine Hypothesis". Note that Paul was schizophrenic (2 Cor. 12:9), the early church was encouraged to hallucinate (Gal. 3:1-5), and perform glossolalia (1 Cor. 12:10).
"Dopamine, adrenaline, and noradrenaline are neurotransmitters that belong to the catecholamine family. Dopamine is produced in the substantia nigra and ventral tegmental regions of the brain, and dopamine alterations are related to schizophrenia (1, 2). Dopaminergic projections are divided into the nigrostriatal, mesolimbic, and mesocortical systems. Impairments in the dopamine system result from dopamine dysfunctions in the substantia nigra, ventral tegmental region, striatum, prefrontal cortex, and hippocampus (3-5). The “original dopamine hypothesis” states that hyperactive dopamine transmission results in schizophrenic symptoms."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032934/
"Dopamine In schizophrenia (SCZ), there is evidence that very high levels of dopamine in the limbic system play a major role in emergence of hallucinations and delusions. Antipsychotic medications, which block central dopamine activity, alleviate the hallucinations of psychosis. Drugs with strong dopaminergic effect, such as L-dopa, methylphenidate, bromocriptine, pramipexole and piribedil, may induce hallucinations. D-amphetamine, a direct dopamine agonist, may also induce psychosis and hallucinations."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996210/
"Tibetan mystics have long practiced a method to create sentient beings from the power of concentrated thought."
www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/exmqzz/tulpamancy-internet-subculture-892
Mesolimbic System (instinctive ancient part of the brain) overrides the Frontal Cortex (rationalizing modern) building a cognitive wall.
Dopamine Enhances Optimism Bias
"Here, we show that administration of a drug that enhances dopaminergic function (dihydroxy-L-phenylalanine; L-DOPA) increases an optimism bias. This effect is due to L-DOPA impairing the ability to update belief in response to undesirable information about the future."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424419/
Mark 3:28-29 says that the one unforgivable sin is rejecting the *Holy Dopamine Ghost* which is funny since it's the conduit through which one accepts nonsense as gospel.
i.imgflip.com/1ydvtk.jpg
skepticsannotatedbible.com
@@bleirdo_dude you're trying to compare us to drug addicts 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 that is hilarious but ok sure if that's what you think. Sorry you are WRONG. The HOLY SPIRIT is our guide. You're so very funny thanks for the laugh.
@@voltape you can have your own be relationship with Him and have that experience too 😉 if you really seek God and all He is He will reach back and show you who He is. But you need to be true about it. If you are, then seek His face and His countenance will be given to you. He will show you who He is and who He can be.
If someone claims they had a personal experience with Allah, could they know Allah is real?
Thanks Mike & Mike; I was hesitant at first to watch this video because I thought I knew this argument pretty well. I’m glad I stuck around because many of these proofs, I’d never heard before and many of them are better than some of the proofs I’d use if asked this question by a skeptic.
Excellent content; I really liked the Lincoln + JFK + “David Palmer” = Obama example utterly devastating pagan parallels @ 26:10
J. Warner Wallace in ‘Cold Case Christianity’ and Frank Turek in ‘I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist’ both do incredible jobs at exposing the weak and illogical views of a mythical Jesus.
I haven’t heard of any highly respected scholar or even atheist (including the popular Richard Dawkins) attempt to deny the historicity of Jesus.
The real question is who is Jesus to you?
“...Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.””
Matthew 16:13-16
“I am the bread of life.” (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51)
“I am the light of the world.” (John 8:12)
“I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7,9)
“I am the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25)
“I am the good shepherd.” (John 10:11, 14)
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6)
“I am the true vine.” (John 15:1, 5)
Using bible quotes to prove the bible 🤦♂️
@@badgoat666 1: The predictions from the Bible are being fulfilled as we speak
2: The Bible knew a lot of Scientific things before sciene was a thing, and a lot of the scientist who helped turn science into what it is today were Christians
They are not “proofs”, he didn’t provide any evidence that the Christian religion is actually true. When historians mention a religion, it doesn’t make any of it more true. You Christians are so unbelievably ignorant, many other historians mention many past religions also.
Brilliant all the way around!
The plane crash 9/11 example was worth the price of admission.
So a bunch of those scholars went out to prove that Jesus didn't exist and found out that he did? COOL!
sherryl henning awesome right?
Has anyone proven Jesus is the son of God? If so, how did they?
@Daniel U I own both books. As Strobel forgets that this could all just be legend (Liar, lunatic, Lord... or Legend). How do you know that Jesus actually rose from the dead? What lead you to this conclusion?
Love all your work, Mike. I have especially appreciated these interviews with Peter J. Williams, one of my favorite exegetes, and Mike Licona, who, along with David Wood, helped convert Nabeel Qureshi, a fine young man. I hope you someday can get Frank Turek and John Lennox, as well. Your critique of skeptic Bart Ehrman's arguments has been the best I've seen. God bless you.
This video is outstanding. Love it! Steven Bancarz as well as Michael Heiser have videos also debunking the "Jesus Was a Myth" claim.
Mike L is a real scholar, as is Michael H, Steve is a great brother, but atheists will discount him because of his lack of scholarship
@@elainep8873 atheists are a trip. My daughters’ 1/2 brother knows I was miraculously healed of liver disease and jaundice but calls it unexplained phenomena. Smh.
Which Jesus? A non supernatural person or the mythical one in the Bible. You Christians need to educate yourselves more.
I think most believe that he was a historical figure . But sadly most people either believe he was just a man or a wise teacher or one of many a prophet or they simply believe in some other false Christ
Its pathetic they'll all get they're false Christ soon enough and they will worship him
He's the false prophet of Deuteronomy 13:1-5! His lineage disqualifies him from ever occupying the Throne of David! He actually tells us he's Lucifer in Rev 22:16!
@@CollegemomLynn all of your arguments fail.
Jesus didn't tell anyone to follow any other Gods, he only taught people to follow the God of Israel.
Jesus is a descendant of David, and what's ironic is that this is stated in rev 22:16, the very verse you quote next.
Finally, Jesus never says that he is Satan. This is ridiculous. Jesus says he is the bright and morning star. A morning star is one of the brightest stars in the sky, brighter than the rest. Jesus is described as the BRIGHT and morning star because he is set apart from the rest.
Satan is called a morning star, because he was set apart from other angels. That's where the similarities end.
It is like how Jesus is called the lion of the tribe of Judah because he is the king, royal and majestic etc...
Satan is also compared to a lion, saying that he roams the earth seeking whom he may devour.
This also isn't saying that Jesus is Satan, it is just drawing a comparison between characteristics of a lion to both of them
Your entire argument here makes no sense if you think about it for a few seconds. Not to mention that Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness, so obviously isn't the same person. That Jesus repeatedly says he is the son of God, God incarnate. That Jesus drive out demons, and a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. That the demons themselves stated that Jesus was God etc...
So many ways to disprove your false claims.
What reason is there to believe he was the son of God?
@@jackplumbridge2704 thank you for explaining that way better than I could. Appreciate that 😊
Can you do a video on being a father or parent please? Also I love that you constantly use quote and reference the bible . The only words I can use to describe, true and right! Thank you!
I my own self thank this is a fantastic idea
I’ve been so curious about the history of Jesus and the viewpoint of historians. I’m so excited about this video. Thank y’all for doing this!
I have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a perceived character in OT scripture. Mark the first written Gospel is a parable set on Earth that got mistaken as history.
Paul's Jesus is God's firstborn Archangel the first of his creation that put on flesh (made from Davidic sperm), and was crucified by Satan in the third heaven.
I'm working on the textual evidence showing this. One thing for sure is that "Jesus certainly existed" is a lie.
@@bleirdo_dude What do you think of the new Terminator movie?
@@bleirdo_dude
ARE YOU ON DRUGS MY MAN? GOD BLESS YOU.
@@j2mfp78 It looks like it's going to suck unfortunately.
@Robert Dunn If Jesus is historical? Then he has tons of myth heaped on him, and I'm not just talking about the miracles.
I do not believe there are "inaccuracies" in the scriptures, nor do I believe that the gospels, or any other part of the Bible, were produced by men's imagination, or exaggerated by men.
But rather, as Paul states very clearly, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit the words of the Bible were written. The Holy Spirit doesn't make mistakes. He was, and is, fully able to chose those who wouldn't put words in His mouth.
J. Warner Wallace often says, if four eyewitnesses give me four exactly similar accounts of an incident they claim to have witnessed, I know they are lying.
In fact the Bible is so accurate, it is too truthful for most people. They understand it with the intellect and not by the spirit. That is the born-again spirit where the Holy Spirit dwells within.
Don't expect any accolades from intellectuals when it comes to claiming that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. That's where you must carry the cross of Christ, usually resulting in ridicule and rejection. Yet, if we refuse his cross, we are not worthy of him.
Thank you so much for this awesome interview!
University of Pretoria, awesome. Well done representing South Africa!! Now teach them rugby 😊🏉
Check out Mike Licona's debate at UP with the Nuwe Herformers with William Lane Craig.
@Dom Sheppard I wish I could say we can stand against the All Blacks, but sadly we can't.
@Dom Sheppard True the tri-nations was legendary, the 2 times a year I watched.
Always found something very amusing, how America have a World Championship for American Football and play only against American states. Maybe I am wrong, or Americans believe that is the whole world 🤔😂
@@GFGS_55, who's the World Champs ;-)
Thanks for your videos. It strength people’s faith
Very humble Mike Winger. All Glory to God. Nice.
a lot of great content here - this vid is particularly good for debunking carrier et al - thanks guys and God bless you both.e
Carriers great gift is his over inflated ego and the willingness of skeptics to believe him
How did he debunk Richard Carrier? Because Carrier followed the evidence which shows Christianity is just a myth?
If any group of people would benefit from the denial of the existence of Jesus, it would be the Jews. Yet there he is in their Talmud ; albeit blasphemous writings.
And their claims about him in those writings confirm the claims in the gospels about why the Jewish leadership hated him. The accusations line up.
@Dexter O'Shields Have you read the Bible then to come to that conclusion ?
@Dexter O'Shields I'll never understand how atheists seem unable to think through a series of of if then statements honestly.
If God exists and he's the God of the bible then there's no reason he couldn't raise Jesus from the dead.
It's a simple if then. If God isn't real, then yes, of course, some other explanation for the claims must be true, but if it's not impossible, and if it fits the data available about people's behavior and claims, then there's no reason it couldn't be true other than you saying it isn't.
Your words aren't magic, you saying it isn't doesn't create magical boundaries on reality that prevent things from happening.
@Dexter O'Shields Jesus commanded his people to preach the gospel to all the world. No one can enter the kingdom unless they are born again.
@Dexter O'Shields and maybe you're the result of a giant random cosmic explosion. Get lost clown.
My favourite Christian apologist and New testament scholar.
What probably should be taken into consideration is that, Jesus of Nazareth wasn't really famous outside of the peasantry in Palestine until after his death.
Much like Americans wouldn't know much about famous people in Jamaica or Dominican Republic /Haiti etc. Palestine was like a 2nd or 3rd world country.
This could be why there isn't much information during Jesus' time on earth.
Sure and I'm sure Jesus existed . But if argue that if a guys doing things never seen before rising people from the dead people might spread the word a bit quicker. There were plenty of historic records from that time period and yet few mention him. I'm not here saying a man named Jesus didn't exist it has no consequence whether he did or didn't on whether what's written in the Bible is factual which i believe isn't.
My point i exist but if someone writes that i turned water to wine or rose the dead you should be super skeptical of those events without factual proof. Which we do not have outside of biblical writings.
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Again don't romanticize it, real time, the miracles was among the Jews, he went to them first, it wasn't known as much among the gentiles. Understand it in the context of 2000 years ago in Palestine, NOT present day hindsight.
1st century Jews had slower internet. It’s all down to Herod. He was too slow in switching to 4G, and so they couldn’t scan and email the reams and reams of papyri they produced daily in between tending the sheep.
@@DEMcouver theae responses would be fine if we had no historical data form that time there were writers. In Greece and Rome at the time and many other countries. Roman's supposedly killed Jesus that should have been a spectacular event if it was for the reasons told. That would have spread the word tremendously. I think you both give our ancient human civilizations less credit than they deserve.
joshbreaksk8IN then it should be easy to find a whole bunch of other records of specific Roman crucifixions, from the same place and period.
Good job, Mikes!
At the 18:45 mark @Mike Winger quotes Richard Carrier, reading the following: “...all subsequent history claims are based on the Gospels...” Where exactly is that quote from, and what is the context?
I'd say there is more evidence of Jesus. Than of Armstrong walking on the moon
then you'd be wrong.
It's a good comparison since no one actually saw Armstrong walking on the moon except Collins and Aldrin. It's a lot of trust in 3 testimonies and in the engineers that we don't even question.
@@sivad1025 I get your point, however, I would say the strongest evidence in favor of Armstrong walking on the moon was when 72 year old Buzz Aldrin punched the guy in the face for claiming the moon landing was fake and that Aldrin was a liar, thief, and coward. You could feel the righteous indignation behind that punch. I’m pretty petty and small minded but that is one of my favorite moments in history that I have personally lived through.
"You ask me why I know he lives, He lives within my heart."
which has nothing to do with whether or not there was a historical Jesus.
Unfortunately, he doesn’t live in your heart. It’s just the religion you are brainwashed into.
You’re doing a great think. Keep it up bro!
Love seeing you again! Jesus loves you and forgiffness of all your sins
The writings we have of Jesus are exactly the writings God wants us to have.
Keep up the great work, Mike! The fact that Jesus existed can be verified by multiple historical, non-Christian sources (Roman, Greek and Jewish). Some of them even mention Jesus' miracles as fact. Christianity Engaged just started an 8-part video series called The Skeptic's Journey, a true story of a highly intellectual atheist's 15+ year search for truth. Check it out! God bless!
That's simply not true.
@@badgoat666 It is. The problem is Josephus, a verse seems to have got interpolated still scholars think that the verse has to do with Jesus but not in that way. Still Tacitus is a good source of history and the best part of it is that he's an adversary testimony. I know there are others but this are the main two I remember.
@@ExNihiloNihilFit319 those are the only 2. Both written decades after. It would be like me telling someone stories about the first world War based on oral stories. Hardly credible testimony.
@@badgoat666 Then you should also doubt about Alexander The Great and Plato because their earliest writings that have been found and the time they lived have hundreds of years of difference. Decades in ancient history is not a big difference because people in that era were mostly illiterate and making writings was not as cheap as it is today. It's probably one of the earliest evidence to an event that happened in ancient history that historians could ever get.
@@ExNihiloNihilFit319 nobody is threatening anyone with hell for disbelief of Plato (although I'm assuming you mean Socrates, who was actually much less historically verifiable) or Alexander.
This was great! I’m studying history at my college and I understood all his references to ancient history of that time. I haven’t looked yet but I hope you did a video on whether or not Moses wrote the first five books. I mention this because Jesus himself says Moses wrote of him and because the most often thing I hear at my college is not Jesus is a myth but that the foundation of the Bible is a myth because Moses couldn’t have wrote the first five books. I have watched the Moses controversy, excellent movie btw, but I’d love to see you interview a historian on the subject of Moses :)
I don't think we will see everything in the Bible, because of time and wars that happened around those biblical times
Moses is a fictional character. Pull you head out of your --. Only Christian theologians think moses existed.
Great video! Thank you Mike & Mike!
I for one will be a follower of Jesus, it's better than not.
Pascals Wager?
Lumpy Didlos
Pascal wager debunked?
@@PurposeDriven7_ are you stating it is debunked with you question, or stating that you want me to add to my original statement?
I read about Blaise Paschal when I heard he had it figured out I think in his early thirties. Unfortunately he died quite young. Good thinking, I have to say.
What about other religions? You are just a Christian because you are brainwashed into it. Any other place you were born you would be that religion.
The 9/11 thing just blew my mind, omg that's such a great analogy!
how so
@@davelanger The fact that insane coincidences manifest when you compare things hundreds of years apart.
A "coincidence" isn't that unlikely when it's given enough time to manifest. It only has merit if the coincidence happens in short succession.
@@sivad1025 Give examples.
I really admire Mike Licona … I have pic with me and him when he spoke at our church. I didn’t know at that time how important a person he was at the time. I emailed him a few times about some Greek questions … he responded kindly. But he’s doing so much on the international scene - probably should not have taken up some of his time then.
Thank you both
Amen to this channel I tell people I would rather believe in something and find out there is nothing then not to be leave and find out there is something what do I have too loose and besides Jesus gave my life back to me and all I can say is glory to GOD in the highest and he is coming back i hope and pray that people will be ready for him.
Especially those who insist that they speak in his name!
Some who do, might be in for an Almighty shock! 🤣
So do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster then? As for what you have to lose, you lose the ability to use logic and reason. Do you believe everything that cannot be proven or disproven just in case? Why isn't it better to not believe in something until it can be proven
well that's the difference between an unbelief and a believer i believer there is a GOD and he made all and because you cant prove it you don't believe it that's where faith comes in which i have and you don't he his is coming back only on the last day we will see who is right or wrong but i will pray you to be ready when he comes back glory to god in the highest
@@jermaine217 Believing in something without evidence is nonsensical.
@@@davelanger WELL only the last day will tell then.................
Hello mike , I was wondering where you’re church is I would love to go with my family someday
"To know Jesus and make Him known" is a summation of the Great Commission. Playing off the denials of scoffers while strengthening the faithful with the same words requires Godly wisdom. I enjoy the energy of the new young apologists and their willingness to expose themselves to direct ridicule in the public forum to reach the undecided. "Well done good and faithful servant" seems to fit your efforts.
If Jesus was a myth then we are all going to hell. Only his sacrifice can save mankind.
Or not going to hell at all to begin with. :)
We're already in Hell, you child.
@03 SDI Because I chose war.
@@jayg3857
YOU SHOULD TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX MY MAN. GOD BLESS YOU.
It's not just about hell anyone with half a brain can see that the powerful people in the world are ruining the world and destroying the truth, freedom and health of humans worldwide. George Bush and and Nestle are examples. Even Trump has Jesuit backing. Very few politicians are truly looking out for their country's citizens. This is because the richest people in the world who are hiding from media fame worship satan and or lack empathy. In this world where the signs that a one world government, one world religion, one world currency are being pushed, if Jesus doesn't come back then we are all going to be killed. Jesus is coming back in this century and the evidence is the political scene (look at prophecy) and the fact that a lot of Hollywood celebrities and other important people like politicians worship satan and promote his symbols, secret societies and values. Look at the masonic badges of your corrupt American police. If Satan exists (who hates us) then God and Jesus do too!
the idea of Jesus being in the space must have came when Rick smoked pot - no other explanation
I smoke pot all the time and i admit I've imagined Space Jesus
Smoke pot and watch science fiction movies
I wonder if skeptics can explain why languages have devolved instead of evolved from the past ?
How have languages devolved?
The host's named Mike, the guests named Mike and the viewer's named Mike
It is VITALLY important that we DO investigate claims of historians that might have differing views, to suggest “not entertaining” a question or theory to be reasonable is insanity. There are a LOT of historical claims made today, taught in schools as religious dogma, NOT ALLOWED to be questioned, even with scientific evidence that no ONE should make that claim. I am a believer, born again for 3 years, and I actually came to faith realizing some things we were told we were not allowed to entertain ACTUALLY have merit to the point of outright lies. When we start silencing people for “wrong-think” we are NOT being Christian bc I’m sure philosophers in the first century thought entertaining a risen Christ was preposterous. No, we listen and examine the evidence. The truth NEVER fears investigation. As a Christian I am not afraid of ppl questioning the existence of Jesus, let’s just weigh the evidence and just make sure we check us and the other side for integrity. You’ll NEVER find more intellectually honest ppl than WWII historians who substantiate with mounds of evidence claims that what the victors have printed in our textbooks is often untrue. Or to suggest that “flat-earthers” are insane ergo we don’t even ask ourselves what evidence are they using to come to their conclusions? No one wants to be a flat-earther or a “-denier” of ANY kind bc it’s hard. They are beaten, put in prison, threatened, lose their ability to make a living, etc. so it is VERY dangerous to suggest someone’s idea has NO MERIT just bc we’ve been conditioned to think that way about a specific topic. When we do that we are making some other person our ultimate authority outside God.
I am sorry, but the title of the video is dishonest. Mike Licona is not a historian by profession, but a theologian, as you yourself say in the video. Licona has no historical publications on his CV, he has a doctorate in New Testament studies, a master’s in religious studies, and a bachelor’s in music. None of these programmes include training in proper historical methodology. You know real historians have actual history degrees, right? You know they spend nine years of their life, at minimum, being professionally drilled in how to properly critique all kinds of source material and check their and others’ biases while doing so? Licona is a theologian doing theology dressed up as historical studies - a strange, but common branch of theology, especially among biblical literalists. I appreciate your videos, Mike, but if we don't start from a position of honesty, how are we to convince others of the truths of Christianity?
Those who disliked are mythisits
@Godless Engineer, I don't if he will get this, but I believe he is saying, at timestamp 18:44, that no one mentioned Tacitus about the persecution of the Christians until the 4th century. While my answer does not contain an exhaustive list of sources, I believe it is because this is the first time a history of the Church is compiled by Eusiebius of Cesarea. Before then, no one had need to reference him at all.
Hey mike , love your videos :) just wanna ask you what your thoughts are on cbd use , especially cbd flower ..it doesn’t cloud my brain and I feel like it’s better then other stuff . Maybe you can speak about this during ur Q&A sometime I’d really appreciate it . Thanks @mikewinger
I know this question is for Mike Winger, but I thought I’d tackle the question to see if what I say can help, so that you get an answer sooner. The Bible says to stay sober minded (1 Peter 5:8), do not give into drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18), and to treat our bodies as temples unto the Lord (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). As long as you aren’t getting high/intoxicated it seems to be fine to take Cbd. Also, as long as it doesn’t cause harmful effects to you it is also fine. Just make sure it is a pure sample of Cbd, so that you do not harm the temple, that is your body. If you take any medications, research what Cbd would do to your body if the medicines interacted (consumed while you are taking the other.) I hope this helps.
this is awesome Mike
Amen!
In one of my religious study classes in college the professor posed the question of whether or not there being hardly any evidence of Jesus outside of the Gospels is harmful to the identity of Christianity. I said no, but I was the only one.
So, basically, outside of the 4 best, most detailed accounts of Jesus' life and ministry, there is comparatively less (I wouldn't say hardly any) evidence? I'm pretty sure if you discount all the best evidence for any historical event/person, the same thing would happen. The canonical gospels are in the Bible because they were considered reliable accounts, not the other way around.
I hope the professor explained that to the rest of the class. That would be a teaching moment in logic and evaluating evidence.
I would call them biased accounts.
@@derekallen4568 so the account by the Roman historian is biased
@@velociray which Roman historian? The only historian outside of the bible that I'm aware of is Josephus and he was a jew.
@@derekallen4568 how about Tacitus? The greatest Roman historian who was repeatedly mentioned in the very video you are commenting on?
Also, saying that you can't trust someone who believed what they were writing about us so fallacious and ridiculous.
By this logic i should discount virtually every scientific paper ever written about evolution, because they were written by people who believed in evolution.
No historian takes your stance. The only thing a historian would do would apply a slightly higher level of skepticism when dealing with potentially biased sources.
Hey mr. mike, can I ask you if manasseh's prayer is biblical?
Love!!!!! It's what the Bible has been trying to emphasize, as the answer to everything. Genuine I care about you becaues we are broken. It's the most important theme of the scriptures
Nonbelievers have a hard enough time explaining the rise of Christianity witout an empty tomb. So rather than deal with the near impossible problem of explaining away the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses who would later be killed for their faith, they go full on tinfoil hat mode.
Please pray for my housemate, she's very intelligent, but convinced Jesus never existed. She's an atheist with a Christian Science/Catholic background so needs a lot of prayer!
Oooh Mike laconia! :)
Oh, it would be great if you could get Gary Habermas as a guest as well as someone well versed in Biblical Archaeology, e.g., Timothy Kennedy.
Thanks Mike. You have done a wonderful service
Mike is not a historian!!! He is a Christian theologian promoting the Christian mythology.
One reason people grasp ahold of zeitgeist is because they use conspiracy theories in with this clip and if the conspiracy theories might have validity, then the part on Christ must be so. So sad people cannot see through this! Zeitgeist by the way mean spirit of the age....
That film shook me for a brief moment it is a very clever deception but at the end of the day it compelled me to search even harder and ultimately my faith is even stronger because of it. I feel sorry for all those it will deceive
Our society is used to being lied to, so I think that's why conspiracy theories have fertile soil to grow today.
Outstanding!
The atheist historian Robin Lane Fox, author of the books, 'Pagans and Chrstians' and 'The Unauthorised Version' firmly stated that Jesus was a historical figure, even while doubting much of the reliability of the synoptic gospels ( less so John's gospel which he believes was indeed written by him).
At least those who deny Jesus can not use the excuse that they didn't know, or that no one told them. No one forces them to believe. They are free to accept or reject. No one is forced into heaven. They are free to go their own way instead. Freedom of choice to accept Jesus as Saviour or reject Him. It is sad though then they then turn to mocking those who believe. I suppose the disbelievers could be mocked as well but that achieves nothing but going to the same level. Being ridiculed for believing doesn't particularly bother me. Its only till I die. I will have other more important things to see and attend to then. If it is all a fairy tale, then its all over with death and everyone just becomes dust and that's it. Nothing is lost or gained by anyone. As the unbelievers have already checked out what happens after death and have established that there is no God and heaven doesn't exist, they feel they are ok. They already have the confirmation of no God. If on the other hand and I am right as the Bible says, I have everything to gain as a believer. I do lose eternal death, but I can live without that. Immortal Life. Now for the unbeliever...……….
Thank you! This this is a complete repudiation of the historical denial of Jesus. And Paul is likely the most credible source concerning Christ! He had been a Pharisee, and knew James!!
Anyone else get the fung sheui ad? What a trip. Nothing new under the sun.
Great discussion - my only knitpick is that I wouldn't consider Pilate an enemy of Jesus in the sense that he wanted Jesus to die. We expressly know that the *last* thing he wanted to do was execute him. Instead of glorying in the destruction of the Messiah, he tried to have him released, and ultimately washed his hands of the final verdict. Guilty of violence against the jews and of scourging Jesus, yes, but I don't see evidence in the gospels that Pilate with a mustache twirling supervillain with devil horns, like a lot of people seem to see him as.
In fact I pity him, as he was in an impossible situation, God needed Jesus crucified, and nothing Pilate could do would stop it. In fact, he scourged Jesus hoping it would be enough for the Jewish leaders. Bad idea, but his intentions are worth noting. And finally, not long after, Pilate was ultimately forced by Tiberius to kill himself. Nothing but pity for him.
I always ask Zeitgeist people so where does it say in the bible Jesus died Dec 25?
Devon,
Zeitgeist does not literally say, in the Bible one reads "December 25th" as the day of crucifixion.
Zeitgeist does say "this is the sun" and then argues that Jesus is a personification of the Sun.
Therefore, one should not be looking for a literal "December 25th" in the Bible.
In contrast, one should be looking allegory, symbolism, and numerology to detect the Winter Solstice or Decebermer 25th.
As a result, the symbolic and allegorical answer to your question, "where does is say Dec 25th", is Matthew 24:36.
Matthew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matt 24:36 NIV).
Do you see how this passage is tempting one to find the date and the hour?
The numbers 24:36 allow one to figure out not only Dec 25th but also the exact year of this Second Coming. In this case the Son of Man or Aquarius.
2 + 4 = 6
3 + 6 = 9
Now we are working with the number 69
12 + 25 + 20 + 12 = 69
The exact date of the second coming, aka astrological allegorical second coming, which is the story in the stars, is December 25, 2012.
However, the chapter and verse number in the bible were added in 1550ish and the Gregorian Calendar was 1580ish.
Thus, the exact date in our, Gregorian Calendar is December 21st, 2012.
Dec. 21st, 2012 was a Friday. Therefore, the Sun died on Friday and Resurrected 3 days later on Sunday.
If you are interested in seeing the Crucifixion explained as an allegory on 12-21-2012 then watch "Astrotheology Fact or Fiction" link below.
th-cam.com/video/Hzk45GH-T84/w-d-xo.html
In that video, the flood story is explained as an astrological allegory using the astronomy of 12-21-2012. So, it matches Matt 24:37 also.
Matt 24:37 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" (Matt 24:37 NIV).
The Winter Solstice of 2012 is the most famous Winter Solstice as nearly all ancient cultures are looking at this specific date. Nearly all ancient cultures have a flood story. Hmm? Try looking at the astronomy of 2012 at 6 a.m. and see how the Milky Way is flooding the horizon in all directions. Look for Gemini (twins = two of everything) floating in the Milky Way like an Ark. Next to Gemini is Orion. Orion is the astrological cross. The Winter Triangle (Skull Hill) is attached to Orion, this makes a crucifixion on Skull Hill. My planisphere labels Ophiuchus as "coffin". At 6:00 a.m. 12-21-2012 the sun will rise near Ophiuchus.
The Math for the 3 days death and resurrection of the sun is simple: (365-360) / 2 = 2.5
365 = Number days in a year
360 = Number of days the ancients measured the sun move 1 degree. Thus, 360 degrees in a circle and earth moves around the sun in a circular fashion.
2 = The number of times the sun stops moving: The Winter Solstice and the Summer Solstice.
2.5 = The number of days the sun is "dead" or stops moving during each of the Solstices.
In conclusion, on Friday 12-21-2012 the Sun dies and resurrects 2.5 days later on Sunday.
P.S. Google the top 10 careers of a Psychopath: #8 is Clergy. Hmm?
Devon, which will you choose, The Blue Pill or the Red Pill?
@Dexter O'Shields The church put his birthday on Dec. 25 because the that is where the Pagan holiday fell. It's also because of the Pagans why the Christians picked their easter holiday as well.
I love this man, man.
@The Called 333 the cross isn't an idol lol. No Christian worships the cross. We worship the one who took the cross.
It would help if you a tally knew what an idol is before accusing someone of worshipping idols.
@The Called 333 1) "I gave you scripture...deny it all you want" - so at which point in my reply did I deny scripture? the scriptures you quoted say not to worship idols, at which point did I say people should worship idols? learn to read my comments before replying.
2) the cross doesn't represent God. where in the world did you get that idea from? the cross represents the crucifixion.
3) no Christian worships the cross. it is not an idol. it does not represent God. when have you ever seen a Christian praying "dear cross..."? when have you ever heard a Christian saying "I worship you cross"?
the fact that you don't even know what the cross represents is rather embarrassing if you are calling yourself a Christian. and the fact that you don't know what an idol is, is also rather embarrassing.
EDIT: oh and also, just so you know, Satan is called the accuser of the brethren, and Jesus said that calling your fellow Christian a fool is enough to put you in danger of the fires of hell. so why are you imitating Satan by instantly jumping to accusations as the very first thing you say? and why are you calling me names and insulting me for no reason whatsoever? stop acting like Satan, it isn't a good look.
@The Called 333 the fact that you have no intellectual or substantive response of any kind demonstrates to anyone reading this conversation how fallacious your position is.
Simply stating that something is an idol without any justification is laughable. I have already explained how it isn't an idol. Believe what you want, but the truth is most definitely not on your side
@WingsOfTruth don't bother engaging with this guy. He has no intellectual substance of any kind. All he does is falsely accuse people whilst pretending to be righteous. Ironically he then calls other people pharisees.
@WingsOfTruth woah man what just happened in here. I simply use the cross in order to make clear in comment sections that people see I'm christian.. I literaly use it so that atheists and non christians can see who they speaking with... In a way I try and honour God in that way.
Thanks great video
Peace from south africa, he studied in Pretoria? Or did I miss hear?
Heard the same thing... 🇿🇦🇿🇦
The Man, Myth, The Legend, The God Of The Universe......JC. My Lord and saviour.
But didn’t Jesus said: „The father is greater than I“ or „What do you call me good? Only God is good“. Could the church be wrong? Obvious God > Jesus
@@EHonda-ds6ve Maybe a late answer, but it was only for the context, Jesus said "The father is greater than I" when he was on the earth as a man.
And the "Why do you call me good? Only God is good" he asked a jew who didn't know that Jesus was God. It's not that Jesus denied his divinity, only that Jesus asked a man why he called Jesus good when the man thought him only as a man.
People ask these questions as if it has to be one or the other.
To compare Jesus mythicists to Flat Earthers is absurd. It's not even close.
Yeah, you're right Flat Earthers can actually make some legitimate points.
@@MartialVillager Like the fact that Earth appears to be flat.
@@justchilling704 that's not a legitimate point
e546a 850 That was the point,to show the original commenter how asinine his point was by replying with an equally weak point.
The thing that irks me most about these mythers is their latent hypocrisy. If most of them were skeptical about the existence of all ancient personalities at least then they'd be consistent (foolish yes but consistent.) Yet these same mythers will still believe Alexander (first biography written 400 years out) lived or Muhammad (first official biography 300 years from his death) were real people. The fact that the gold standard of Roman historians mentions a man he considered a Judean peasant cult leader in the far corner of the Empire when he's used to writing about generals and emperors what more do you want?
Amen 🙏🏼 love this video 😇
Why do you love this video? Because it helped affirm your belief you are brainwashed into? Mike is not a historian, he is a Christian theologian promoting his Christian religion no matter what is true or not.
@@markhenderson6810 🤔🤔 triggered!
I can confirm Jesus and heaven is very real when I was 17 I was hit by a car the moment I hit the ground I was standing before Jesus in heaven most beautiful thing I ever seen he said he loved me it wasn't my time he said when u go back u will feel no pain I was dead for 10 mins then all of a sudden I go back to my body I stand up walk to the sidewalk and wait for a ent they said its impossible for me to be alive they said I wouldn't walk for 2 years I walked 2 months later I'm 32 now no pain no back or leg problems since Passover I had none stop rapture dreams he's coming soon ask Jesus into your heart admit your a sinner in need of a savior that he sheed his precious blood on the cross of Calvary for pur sins ask him into your heart and follow him believe in him he's coming soon I love you all my brothers and sisters
@Dexter O'Shields no my brother even doctors said its impossible u are alive dead for 10 min no brain damage wasn t supposed to walk for 2 years your so stuck in your sin u don't want to turn away from your life i seen tribulations u don't want to be here for this u may not like me but I'm praying for u my brother Jesus loves you
Ask Mike if he believes the Bible is the infallible Word of God?
Books are in the world, Jesus tells you to be outside the world basically, isn't that contradictory to you?
@@jayg3857 ever heard in the world but not of the world?
51:00 thank you for just randomly stating that fact 🤣
saft is that was the TH-cam name of the person asking the next question.
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter i
n, and shall not be able. Luke 13:24
My expertise is ancient history and from my understanding Jesus was a real person. I never had a doubt about that due to the historical records - and that does not include the Bible.
And what records are those? Jesus is not in any history books.
@@davelanger What do you qualify as "history books"? Or are you referring to ancient or modern texts that are not classified as "history? I'm assuming that you must not be "well read" then?
@@RMBlake007 the bible is not a history book, its a work of fiction
"Bad philosophy corrupts good history"
“More please”!!!
Minute 22 is gold
The latest scientific findings of the Shroud of Turin leads to the authenticity of that item. If you look at the facts of the science point to the Shroud is either Jesus or someone who suffered the EXACT same Crucifixion as Jesus.
Mike Licona did NOT take on the mythicist claims in your video. In fact, to put it mildly, this was nothing but an hour of mutual back-slapping. Richard Carrier's book on the historicity of Jesus is (in Richard's words so I don't misrepresent him) a 'peer-reviewed academic monograph' that deserves better than this smug dismissal of the entire mythicist case - even if you happen to disagree with its claims. Why not have Richard on your show and actually address his points?
"Reading between the lines without reading the lines." Perfect description! 😂
Blessings Brother I was wondering if you can address the issue about the blood and how it's vital for forgiveness of sins and how John MacArthur denies this truth. Does he have another gospel. Thank you
🤣 earth is not a spinning ball shooting through outer space created by some big bang. Oh and we've absolutely never been to the moon🤔 we can't go back today NASA says so. Any who. Jesus saves. God bless!)
I made a grave error in trying to convince two atheist friends of my husband that Jesus was not a myth. Greg Koukl just fell out of my head and I never asked them to explain their position.
The reason this happened is that they are both intelligent (one an engineer and the other an architect), so I never expected them to spout that gobbledygook. Like I don't expect to meet actual flat earthers, I didn't expect to meet Jesus mythers IRL.
I suppose we all know people like this. I don't try to convince them, as it seems they want to deny God no matter what.
Those who raise theories and counter questions against the historical Jesus should have to bear the burden of proof for their own statements.. Why should a disciple of Jesus have to prove their beliefs against someone who chooses not to believe in a historical Jesus..
Chronicles of Tyre from Menander. ☹
What I wouldn't give for a copy of that?!?
The 9-11 comparison was lacking. Like Jesus said, I question, and I don't buy bogus fruits. We have deeper problems still: Why did 1 John 5:7-8 (and other scriptures) have to be made up or added? Why did "christians" have to "doctor things up a bit?" Jesus does not need liars or bullies, yet that is what most of "christianity" offers him.
The fact Jesus hasn’t come back sooner really shouldn’t surprise anyone. 2000 years is nothing from the perspective of God and he did a lot in his 33 years.
I'm used to Christian scholarship being crap. Although not worse than (for example) Richard Carrier. THIS IS GOOD.
What’s good about it? Because a historian Josephus mentions Jesus means the religion is true? Well then many other historians mention all kinds of religions. So that’s evidence they are true also?
Mike do you have Mezuzah in the doorpost of your house.
Writing Deuteronomy 4:6-9 and Deuteronomy 11:13-21 in a small scroll?