Rivian R3 Thoughts This Could Shake Up the EV Marketplace
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2024
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Rivian suprised the world during the reveal of their R2 to drop the R3 and R3X, and those two have captured the attention.
Pulling design cues from some famous cars of the past like the Mk1 Golf, details are sparce but it looks fantastic!
This could be a game changer for Rivian, pushing them into the lead of an underserved segment of the EV market and sucking the air out of the space before other manufacturers like Tesla or Vinfast get their products out.
But can Rivian pull it off?
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To me, Rivian has carved out their niche really well. I like how the Rivian R2 and R3 cars already seem to have a lot of character in their design, instead looking bland like a Tesla or Chinese EV. I think it’s very cool and I hope Rivian survives to make it.
Am I the only one who thinks of Little Orphan Annie when I see a Rivian coming at me on the road?
If they can actually build & deliver any of these....
Rivian should have called their new vehicle D2 then they could have R2D2.
And as a bonus, they may have had a lawsuit from Disney! :)
R3 was stated to be cheaper than R2 I believe... So hopefully a sub-$40k starting price. I'm with you, I saw all the leaks of the R2, wasn't particularly interested, even though I'm sure it'll be a great seller and a great competitor in that market segment... Then they just blindsided everyone with the R3 announcement. Gotta say, wow, if they can survive long enough to push the R3 out the door, and it's comparable in price to something like a Model 3 or EX30 ($35-40k starting, and I assume it'll qualify for the tax credit), sign me up.
Theres some neat stuff here though i really just want some better plug in hybrids.
I'm totally excited about the R3. I look forward to seeing it come to production. I didn't think I'd be a Rivian fan, but this is impressive. If it does and prices what seems to be indicated, then I'm onboard to being a Rivian owner.
People will wait like I did , 2 years for me to get my R1-T But after over a year of owning mine it was definitely worth the wait! I am still impressed with my truck everytime I drive it. 👍
Right on!
I love the R3 Design! Reminds me of the classic VW lines in 1970-80s GTI.
The R2 reminds me of G wagon lines.
The r2 reminds spiritually reminds me of a land rover. Design wise, it looks like a sleeker grand wagoner
I currently have a 2023 Chevy Bolt which I love, but I do believe that the R3 will be my next car. Love it.
I kinda wish there was a buissness were they take old cars and convert them to EV. A EV flipping market as I see it. Imagine how much decently reliable cars could be sold cheap.
I'm a long-time Bolt EV/EUV guy - now in a 2023 Model Y LR AWD - but I would love to be in an R2 or R3, I';m 6'4", so the R3 would have to be at least as big as a Bolt - and even that had elbow room issues for me, to some degree). So it'll probably be the R2 for me - I just reserved one. The timing is OK for me. It'll be 2 1/2 years since I got the MY when it comes out. I really like their designs. I'd love to have both of these in my garage - R2 and R3/x
I think Rivian is positioning itself to be sold to Toyota. At least that's what my crystal ball told me.
Interesting...... wish your crystal ball had a reference! :)
If anything they need to delay the R2 and push the R3 ahead of it, especially the base single-motor model which I hope is trimmed to really own its' base-model hatchbackness. The medium-crossover EV segment is the most crowded, as you said, while the Chevy Bolt never collected on dealers' lots and sold to a waiting list to the end and Nissan still finds buyers for the very stale Leaf.
What I see in the profile of the R3 is the Golf Country Syncro, the OG 4x4 Golf.
This could be called a 6-window version of the Plymouth Horizon (which looked like the Rabbit).
I was planning on the R2, but I may still get the R3X in addition to replace our civic and S2000. I wish they find a way to pull I the schedule for both without adding production cost or sacrificing quality.
I have seen a couple of R1Ts on the road - it is kind of hard to miss that front end and I have a friend that bought an R1S fairly recently. I have not followed up with him to see how he likes it and what the real world range is. Alas, I find It difficult to generate any enthusiasm, as an EV doesn't really work for my use case right now (regular 200+ mile one way trips to a more rural area where there is significantly less access to charging infrastructure). The high price doesn't exactly help, either, even with the tax incentive, but that's just me. I'll just keep my raggedy old Honda.
The R3 and R3X is the FIRST EV my wife has any interest in - when reservations open for this I'll put my money down and begin to save for it's arrival...
I love the R3!!!! It’s the first EV I’ve actually liked so far. I’m getting one.
Closest to me is the Chevy bolt in size...but I really like the r3 with that split opening hatchback
Personally I think we are going to fast with all these EV’s when we still don’t have enough grid support. My money if I could afford one would be a hybrid,solve a lot of problems until all these other issues could be solved👍👍
The R3 is the first EV that’s really peaked my interest. Most EVs are, to me, too big, too heavy, too expensive. I’m looking for an 80’s shitbox that has reasonable range (not huge), good reliability and is reasonable in price. As another commenter pointed out, I think Rivian would be wise to pause the R2 and go as fast as possible on the R3.
I remember when I first saw a Rivian R1. I didn't know what to make of it. I've never driven one, so I don't know what it's like to drive. But being the kind of person who judges a car by its outward appearance, at first I thought it was super mega-fugly! with its vertical headlamps and horizontal light across the front end. What?! And then I saw these Amazon delivery vans. I didn't know it was a Rivian until I saw the name somewhere on the lower part of the body, where it said *"built by Rivian".* I didn't find the Rivian as attractive at first to look at as the Tesla Model S.
Agreed. but the more I look, the more I like the products and company.
@@AllCarswithJon I agree. I was referring to the first time I saw a Rivian. I've never driven one. I'd love to go for a ride in one, maybe go for a drive if I knew someone who owned one. I've seen both the 4 door (crew cab) pickup truck version and the SUV version.
I’d said it reminds me of a Golf/Rabbit Mk1. You can say it reminds you of a Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon, or even a Fiat Panda. I think people are digging the nostalgic hatchback 🚗 back end of the R3.
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Chevy needs to hurry up and bring back the Bolt. Improve the way the front end looks, more comfortable seats their new battery, and done.
Suggestion: consider doing an in depth look at 3 things for EVs - insurance, cost of spare parts and repairs, and tire wear. Are these real issues, myths or somewhere in between?
I did one that included more factors than that, but it was probably 2 years ago. I've been pondering updating it, but haven't.
Partly because if I do it, it needs to be for ME. The Pro-EV and Anti-EV people will pick apart any research, study, or video on the subject that doesn't support their views.
But I might still do one in the near future. :)
I am sure you can engineer an impartial and independent review of these issues. It is both the Pro and Anti posters that you cannot trust to be impartial.
Think of it as an update - with more EVs on the road, have these costs come down in the last two years, the same, or worse?
I want to drive remote fire roads around me and was looking at a bronco sport. Now leaning towards the r3x lift and tires/ recovery hooks but the rear spoiler thing I hate on the x version. The brown interior is a must for me. Hopping can remove the spoiler from the r3x for the regular one, or can get the brown interior and recovery hooks on the r3
Yes, from the side it looks like an old 87 Dodge omni, that is not a compliment. The back end also does not look very good. The front end looks okay. It will probably never be produced because they're going to go bankrupt before they can produce it.
Rivian still has the production hump to get over and they still lose over $10K on every car sold. It would be great if they could make it, but I'm not sure they will.
Rivian has set themselves apart as "the trucks with the weird headlights." If you look at a picture of a Rivian from the front, close one eye and put a finger over the headlights, it looks like a normal truck. Now they're pigeonholed as the brand with the weird headlights which becomes an albatross around the necks of their designers as they are coming up with refreshed designs. But it might be moot and the designers may never get the chance. Rivian will more likely pass into history as the short-lived truck with weird headlights, joining Tucker as the weird car with three headlights, and DeLorean as the weird car with stainless steel and gullwing doors.
I have to disagree with you on a couple of important points. First, Rivian has been "moving the needle" (in your words) in several respects. The R1T is the only pickup truck to earn the IIHS "Top Safety Pick +" rating from IIHS in 2023, besides the Tundra--I'm including all ICE pickup trucks in this statement (except, as I say, the Tundra). The R1S is the first mid-size (check your dimensions) BEV SUV to achieve the IIHS "Top Safety Pick +" rating. The R1S and R1T are the first BEV SUV and pickup truck to wade three feet of water and stick by this capability in their specs. The R1s are the first BEV vehicles to finish the full Rubicon trail. The R1 vehicles were the best selling family of BEV vehicles above $70K in 2023. Rivian was the first automobile company to introduce four different vehicle models in its first full year of production (2022)--the EDV 500, EDV 700, R1S, and R1T. Second, Rivian does not have a dealership model. It has a direct-to-customer model, with a rapidly growing number of service centers. Third, Rivian is building its own DC fast charging network, which is different from many car companies, with the exception of Tesla and now Mercedes. Fourth, the R1S was recently rated as the best vehicle tested by Doug DeMuro.
I could go on, but these are the most important points. You have not been paying attention to a company that is writing a new chapter in automotive history. Please pay more attention to them in the future. Thanks.
I will be paying more attention in the future, but in the recent past they've also been in a financial free-fall with one consumer product.
For all the items you mentioned and their going hard-in on the REI crowd, they've been a small player with questionable survivability.
But their upcoming fleshed-out lineup is exciting.
@@AllCarswithJon They have not been “in financial freefall with one consumer product.” They have had two consumer products and two commercial van products for the past two years, all of them BEVs. Sure, they have been burning through a lot of cash to make absolutely category changing products that are the envy of the industry. They have huge credibility with the capital markets as a result. As long as they continue to provide world-beating products, continue to manage cash aggressively, and continue to offer outstanding customer service, there is (and has been) no evidence to suggest that they are in financial trouble. In fact, we have lots of evidence to suggest that (whether other automotive companies or you know it or not) they are in substantially better shape (because of their product, brand, service, and management equities) than many heretofore successful legacy automobile manufacturers. To treat a company as successful as Rivian as not worth your time is to not understand the dynamics of the industry in this period of transition from ICE to BEV.
@@AllCarswithJon They have not been in financial free-fall. They are a very well managed company, as my comments above suggest. They have not had one consumer product; they have had two. Yes, going hard on the REI crowd means that they are going up against Jeep/Wagoneer, the off-road trucks from Ford, Chevy, and Stellantis, the Ford Bronco, Land Rover, the Mercedes G-Wagon, and many ancillary others. Off-road capable vehicles are a huge segment of the US market. Discussing questionable survivability, you should include most of the legacy auto makers. Transitioning from ICE to BEV is kind of like transitioning from analog film-based cameras to digital or transitioning from tube-based TVs to LCD based TVs or transitioning from calculators to computer based spread sheets for accounting purposes or transitioning from mini computers to desktop computers. The list goes on and on. The incumbents struggle. Many fail. The newcomers often have the best chance. Rivian has proven again and again that it has enormous capability and staying power. In terms of huge financial losses in BEVs, you could not do better than to look at the legacy auto companies.
Notice that there wasn't R3 reservations - I believe had there been it would have put Rivian in a bad way with way more R3 reserves than R2 ones....
I’m just hoping that Volvo ex30 and this indicates folks are wanting to go back to smaller vehicles
All these giant SUVs to get a pint of milk are ridiculous
Not to mention inefficient .
If VW was smart, they’d bring the ID 3 here.
R2 movef the needle for me they all did
And the response to this amazing news is another big decline in their stock price😂😂😂😂
You slept too hard on rivian
That's a whole lotta "ifs" Jon....
Some stars have to align, but I think the biggest thing is they'll be limited by the capacity of their one factory and what could *potentially* be a big hit (the R3) won't get the marketshare before others finally make it to that segment of the market.
Gotta walk before you can run. The ramp up for their R1 and R1T has been rough and those are low numbers. If they can't do that, how are they going to ramp up to millions of an R3? I'd bet many others will have their compact EVs on the roads before it. I'm pulling for both Rivian and Lucid. I like the products from both of them but I'm not holding my breath they survive long enough to come out with a 2 gen vehicle, let alone a 3rd.
Will Hyundai make an EV version of the Venue?
Sincerely, Jon, your own interests are not so meaningful to me as is Objective Information about the US auto industry. Please avoid ignoring Rivian and other small OEM's.
FYI, for some reason, where I live in West Michigan there seem to be a lot of Rivian EV's on the roads.
Rivian is not going to a dealership model. That was Fisker. Rivian says they are keeping with a direct to consumer sales format...
I love the new R2 & R3. I would go for an R2 and my wife really likes the R3. I just hope they can survive long enough while keeping to their pricing. I'm really getting suspicious of Vinfast's longevity and they are no longer on my radar.
Oh geez man... you're absolutely right. I guess I had a brain meltdown yesterday when I recorded this.
I keep up with Vinfast because I'm fascinated with dumpster fires. :)
And as for Rivian, they had quite the couple of weeks for me. I had a chance to talk to my Amazon driver about his van and he loved it, then the news about the GA factory, then the R2 and R3 and suddenly my interest went to 100%. :)
@@AllCarswithJon It's quite alright Jon. It's hard to keep up will all the changes at times. It's also easy to get companies confused with each other...
Lol, I agree about the dumpster fire that Vinfast has become. It looks like Fisker is heading in that direction as well. I really hope we get better EV options soon. The new products from Rivian look great. It's just sad that the R2 is two years away and the R3 is likely 3 to 4 years out.
I've always liked Rivian but it seemed like they took on way too much at one time. It also concerns me that they are continuing to do the same with introducing the R2 & R3. I think Rivian would do well if they were to focus on one thing at a time.
The problem with any EV is range. Don't get me wrong for daily commuting the EV is a great. The elephant in the room is for long distances who wants to stop to recharge every 300 miles. The solution for this is the hydrogen fuel cell powered EV. The first automobile manufacturer that provides by itself or in cooperation with another entity a useable network of hydrogen refueling stations will have a head start on sales of non petroleum powered vehicles. Also if everyone has a battery EV what will happen to the power grid when everyone gets home from work and plugs their car in to change. If you're reading this and you're not familiar with fuel cell vehicles Google it.
The only way to mainstream ev’s with current limitations is a 10000 dollar price before rebates.
Ok this is the first time i have seen one of his videos, but i think this guy has a personal vendeta against Rivian. (Rant incomming)
Saying Vinfast is more interesting than Rivian? What nonesense is that? Rivian made the first electric truck, its an amazing vehicle with amazing reviews from literally anyone who drives it. Its basically like tesla bit more upscale and better built.
You say the Rivian wont "stand out" because its not notable? Absolute BS. Rivian is extremely recognizable as an innovative offroad adventure focused brand that is like tesla but better built and adventure focused. Its basically like an electric range rover.
Why don't you tell me what will and won't stand out out if this kineup of cars - a mustang mach e (sloped crossover), a chevy blazer or equinox (noth sloped crossovers), a tesla model y (an fat model 3, and yes, a sloped back crossover), and a squared off boxy suv shaped crossover that has an immediately recognizable design that says "rivian"? What total horse shit.
This dude is cheering for gm, ford, and f-ing VINFAST and saying rivian will "struggle to differentiate"? Differentiate my ass, rivian has built their brand off of being the adventure ev conpany. Their entire brand is about ev truck based vehicles that go offroad. And you say "they make the amazon van but you cant buy that" wtf? Hust because you can't buy it means you aren't interested in it?! They're making THE AMAZON VAN which literally will replace pretty much all of Amazon's fleet, and Amazon is one of the largest tech companies in the WORLD and you don't care about it?
Wow. Needless to say im leaving a dislike. Dude if you see this, stop making reviews based on what companies you like or don't like. Rivian is an amazing company and they're struggling through the same process tesla went through with the model s, x, and 3. Screw your biased af reviews.
JUNK!!!
EV's...meh.
It just means we have a different type of car enthusiast.
ugly car, and of course the real down side is that it is electric, ugh!
You should have stuck with your gut. We don't care about Rivian either. While you are at it, stop discussing EVs at all. We also don't care about those. For your viewers who don't care about virtue signaling and can see pass the Green Grift, we realize EVs are only for morons. The battery lifespan is just way too short. Even if you are lucky enough to get 10 years out of an EV battery, to replace that battery, if even possible at that point, you are looking at a cost equivalent or greater than replacing an IC engine in a vehicle. Could you imagine what the resale value would be for a vehicle known to only last around 120k miles before its engine had to be replaced? That's what the market value will be for EVs once the market figures this out. Sell your EV now while the public is still largely ignorant on the subject.
Preach, brother
Who is "we" ?
@@johncapuano6083 Everyone who isn't an idiot.
Why do you talk about EVs so much? They're not anything anyone normal will be able to buy.
because EVs are the new technology and while not perfect, they are on balance better cars for most (but yes not all) use cases
If theres matte black plastic cladding around the wheel wells i cant support it.