Dushyanth Sridhar, there are several points you make that are simply inaccurate! 1. Whether Carnatic music is purely bhakti-based is debatable! You conveniently stop rewinding at the point in history where it *became* bhakti-based! Its roots were not based in pure bhakti as you claim! It came from Devadasi/Nadaswaram culture. It was also employed in royal courts to praise the monarch who was the patron of poets and singers. In fact, even Meera and Andal (whose songs are sung in Carnatic music concerts) worshipped via human emotions of romance, and yes! - even lust! The fact that these were directed at a "God" figure does not change the essence of their poetry! 2. Sanatanam has room in it for atheists and atheism (Samkhya and Mimamsa philosophies). Why does your "Hindu" music not accommodate the same? I couldn't continue to watch your interview past a certain point, because your basic argument is based on fallacy - that Carnatic music is only a vehicle for Bhakti. Even assuming that's true, "Bhakti" is defined as "love, devotion, fondness, attachment, worship, homage". Nowhere in that definition is there a concrete assertion that the object of such devotion ought to be a Hindu God!
Hello, I'm Shri Venkateshwaran, the presenter of this show. Typically, I refrain from engaging with comments directly. However, given that your remark could mislead others into believing you are an expert on the subject, I feel compelled to clarify to our dedicated community, subscribers, and fans that your statement lacks any real expertise. 1) All the points Dushyanth, a knowledgeable speaker on the topic, made are correct. I've learnt and learning this devotional form of music, from the famous D.K.Pattamal's school and I vouch for what Dushyanth says. 2) Carnatic music is entirely devotion-oriented, and there's no room for debate. The term 'Sageetham' comes from Sanskrit 'Samyakha Geetham,' rooted in the Saama Veda, integral to the ancient and esteemed Hindu Vedic tradition, not related to Christian or Muslim cultures. 3) Bhakti or call it Devotion is the foundation of Carnatic music, and three aspects are crucial. Initially, the Gandharvas, as mentioned in the Puranas-which hold as much significance as the Vedas or Sastras in Hinduism-used this music to venerate deities and divine forms. Moreover, Devadasis were not the original performers of Carnatic music. To understand who Devadasis are: 'Deva' means 'divine,' and 'Daasi' means 'servant'-servants of the divine, residing in temples to sing praises to the divine. It was only after invasions that they suffered at the hands of kings from other religions. Therefore, while Carnatic music didn't start with Devadasis, it's evident that they too used it to honor the divine. 4) Poets often express intense emotions. For instance, Barathiyar in one of his poems say, "தனி மனிதனுக்கு உணவில்லை எனில் இந்த ஜகத்தினை அழித்திடுவோம்," isn't a literal call to destroy the world but a metaphorical expression emphasizing the need to ensure everyone has access to food. Similarly, Meera and Andal's messages were about 'ultimate surrender to the divine, seeking solace at God's feet' rather than indulging in earthly delights or anything that you think is to be so. 5) Sanatan Dharma accommodates atheism, and so does Hindu music. The issue isn't atheism itself but the targeted disparagement of a specific 'Brahmin' community in Hindu religion alone. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in deities, not an active disbelief or denial. A true atheist doesn't single out any community for criticism. Attacking a particular Brahmin group isn't atheism; it's hatred, abuse, and hate speech. In this case it's also Political. 6) Your inability to watch the interview beyond a certain point reflects a lack of tolerance. I don't think anyone else but Dushyanth can put forth a point so much respectfully without hurting or crossing the parliamentary limits. True tolerance would allow you to view the interview despite differing opinions. 7) You argue that devotion doesn't necessarily have to be directed towards a Hindu deity. But did you know Hindus never labeled themselves as such? A name is given to distinguish one from another, and in this context, there is only the One. Thus, without any need for further explanation, Carnatic music, devotion, and Hinduism are inherently connected and always inseparable.
@@shrivenkateshwaran Wow. Such a strong point by point rebuttal. I read it more than once and really enjoyed reading it. Awesome 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌 Thank you for the wonderful interview and timely response for the negative comment.
@@imaful3528 All your rebuttals have no supporting evidence. If you answer with some evidence I would appreciate. Let me tell you one inaccuracy in your statement. The reference you make about isai vellalar, so you are telling that this community was existing for centuries. Check Tamilnadu community notifications during Kalaignar Karunanidhi rule and check when that name was notified in gazette. By posing rhetoric you are misdirecting arguments. We should not wonder if you are a carnatic expert, instead you should show support to validate your comments about yourself. Please don't give toolkit answers.
@@ananthanr8938 I used "isai vellalar" because it seemed to me that Shri Venketeshwaran was using the label "devadasi" in a context different from the one I intended. To clarify, I'm using it to denote the community that almost exclusively practised this art form BEFORE colonization by the British. It is a sad state of affairs when the words of women such as Andal and Meera are interpreted with inimical certainty and coerced into puritanical contexts even in this day and age. I am sure everyone is capable of doing their own research about the points I've made and to judge their veracity for themselves. Ultimately, I am very aware that these forums are echo chambers where people gather to feel validated about their own grievances.Dissent is heresy, and dissenters shall be hounded out by questioning their expertise, or asking for proof of their statements, whereas statements made by assenters will be accepted without question. Thank you, however, for engaging with me in a respectful manner. I have said my piece, and don't see the point of repeating myself ad nauseum. As someone who has learned Carnatic Music, and given Bharatanatyam performances, I am deeply distressed by efforts to confine these exquisite arts within narrow religious and communal boundaries.
TM KRISHNA HAS BECOME MENTAL CRAZY AND ECCENTRIC DUE TO FOREIGN INFLUENCE AND DUE TO UNKNOWN REASONS. HE HAS BECOME UNPOPULAR AND LOST SEVERAL FANS AND HIS REPUTATION IS AT STACK. HOPE THIS MAN WILL REGRET AND CORRECT HIMSELF. Mr. SRIDAs VIEWS AND CLARIFICATIONS ARE EXCELLENT.
Excellent as always. He gives wonderful lectures All the time. He is always right. Never hurts anybody. Tries to please everyone in his upanyasams. We all love him and bless him as his parents as we are in 70s. He should live long
1972 வருடம் நான் தஞ்சையில் வேலை செய்து வந்தபோது திருவையாறு தியாகராஜ உத்ஸவத்திற்குச் சென்றிருந்தேன். அங்கு தி.க. காரர்கள் "தமிழ் நாட்டில் தெலுங்கனுக்கு விழாவா?" என்று ஆர்பாட்டம் செய்து கொண்டிருந்தனர். சீர்காழி முதல் அறந்தாங்கி வரை பரவியிருந்த அன்றைய தஞ்சை ஜில்லாவில் கர்நாடக சங்கீதத்தைப் புரிந்து ரசித்த பாமரர்கள் ஏராளம். மதுரை சோமுவும், சீர்காழி கோவிந்தராஜனும், சூலமங்கலம் சகோதரிகளும் கோவில் கச்சேரிகளில் பாடும் போது ரசிகர்கள் கேட்கும் வரை அவர்கள் பாடுவார்கள்; அவர்கள் பாடும் வரை ரசிகர்கள் கேட்பார்கள். அந்த அளவு பாமரர்களுக்கு சங்கீத ரசனை இருந்தது. மன்னார்குடியில் ஒரு மாப்பிள்ளை அழைப்பு ஊர்வலத்தில் திரு T.N. ராஜரத்தினம் பிள்ளை (திரு காருகுறிச்சி அருணாச்சலத்தின் குரு) நாதஸ்வரம் வாசிக்கையில் ஒருகட்டத்தில் ஒரு அருமையான பிர்கா (இரு வார்த்தைகளுக்கு இடையில் gap filling) விழுந்தது. உடனே அருகிலிருந்து "சபாஷ்" என்ற ஒலி கேட்டது. பிள்ளை வாசிப்பதை நிறுத்தி சொன்னவரைப் பார்த்தார். அவர் பெட்ரோமாக்ஸ் லைட் தூக்கிக் கொண்டு வந்த தொழிலாளி. உடனே பிள்ளையவர்கள் தனது நாதஸ்வரத்தை அருகிலுள்ளவரிடம் கொடுத்துவிட்டு அந்த நபரை வணங்கினார். அந்த அளவு கர்நாடக சங்கீத ரசனை இருந்த பிரதேசம் இன்று திராவிடமும் சினிமாப் பாட்டும் பீடித்திருக்கிறது.
இன்று எத்தனை பேருக்கு ஈடுபாடும் ரசனையும் உள்ளது. ரசனை இல்லாதவர்கள் தானே இதை வைத்து அரசியல் செய்கின்றனர். 28 பிப் அன்று திக கர்நாடக சங்கீத சர்ச்சை என ஒருநாள் கூட்டம் போட்டு பல பேச்சளர்களை வைத்து பிராமணர்களை திட்டித்தீர்த்தது.
True.when madurai somu used to sing in chidambharam temple,,,there used to be huge crowd.hardly 10% of rasijas were brahmins.people used stay awake still,3a.m.for the kutcheri,,4hrs munimum. Until 1960s,,,most of tamil movie songs,,were based on carnatic ragas? People remember even now. Present day,,film music either dappankuthu,,or copied from westrn music??. People forget the film music within one year!now a days😂
Let's be straightforward...brahmin community gave importance to learning, be it sastra, or any form of fine arts. Don't blame them just bcz they put the effort while you were sleeping on it.. well spoken brother Dushyanth
@@-_.0O I do get you..but they are based on either knowledge received either in forms of books or oral reception. Which Acharya, sadhu or literature said that sastra spoke bad about arts
@@MalarKrishna-f2j almost every ancient vyaakyaanams of dharma shastra u can check. Be it paridhimaarkalaignar or ramakrishna dikshithar. None of them had good regard for performing arts which s why u never saw brahmin women becoming devadasis until they stole சதிர் & renamed it as பரதநாட்யம். (Claiming this is the same which bharatha muni said 🤣).
Excellent clarity Clear conviction He is an asset to the present generation as well as the future generations God bless him with long life full of peace and prosperity
As a music aspirant, I humbly present that the time has come to ignore TMK and his comments. Shri. Dushyant sreedhar really feels and wants to educate TMK and his followers which is going to do some changes in the minds of disciples of TMK it is good.
Beautiful explanation, remember when I was young, humiliation to Sri.Rama , can never forget and forgive the sin committed by that Ramasamy nayakkar. Wondering who named him with Sri Ramachandra murthy's Nama. Thanks Dushyant ji
Good explanation. For every art, there exists a disciple. Mr. SM Krishna has crossed the line. Brahmins are suppressed thro reservations and they are forced to go to abroad for their livelihood. Most of the parents / families are suffering , who are having one/ two child/children. Let Mr. SM talk for this community instead of blaming them repeatedly . Hope he does it .
நன்றி திரு துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீ தர் அவர்களே இன்றைய இளைஞர்கள் புதிய கோணம் புதிய பார்வை என்று தவறாக வழிநடத்தப்பட்டுவிடக்கூடாதென்கின்ற தங்களின் ஆதங்கம் மிக மிகச் சரியானது. இது போன்ற சாஸ்த்தரத்திற்கெதிரான குற்றங்களை முளையிலேயே களைவது அனைவரின் தார்மீக கடமை என்பதை உணர்த்திய தங்களின் வாதத்திற்கு மீண்டும் நன்றிகளை தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறேன்
Well said Dushyant. I really appreciate your strong views. Samaana mevaru Rama nee samana mevaru. Ramar kuk sevai seiyum neengal endrum kshemamaga iruppeer. God bless you.
Beautifully and dignifidely explained. Not only is difficult to learn, even to listen you have to learn to listen... Also, others simply cannot afford the time and effort or financially TMK is nuts
Dushyanth Sridhar has put his arguments with the right perspective... I dont think if anybody with commonsense and objectivity will disagree with him. I just want to draw the attention of everybody to this point. TMK's utterances, views, speeches, writings and actions have to be viewed in the light of his desperate attempt to get into the limelight and popularity by doing something awfully abnormal without worrying about the unpopularity he might incur from the Carnatic music community as well as the brahmin community. He is prepared to pay the price for it. He knows very well that losing the goodwill and appreciation of just 3% of the population does not cost him anything material, as he can get the popularity and appreciation from among the major portion of the remaining more than 90% of the population. He has fallen short of his ambitions very much, it appears very clearly. That has affected him. For his deficiency, he wants to take vengeful action against others- the best nearby target is the carnatic music community and the brahmins. His best weapon is hatred against the community by pleasing the followers of atheism present in this part of the country more than other regions, by opposing the community. That will also be an easy bridge to cross to gain popularity. Now he resorts to all sorts of non-common sense writings, speeches, actions to gain popularity. He wants to please the parties like DMK, DK, Congress and all haters of Hindutva. By distancing from 3% of the population, in due course or in a short duration, if he can get the support of a majority of the remaining population, consisting of atheists, non-Hindus,non-BJP, by intensifying his actions outside the carnatic music arena, he will gain what he tries........Now do you see why in his interviews, he emphasises that politics is there everywhere and we (he means 'I' ) cannot avoid it....Thats the undisclosed plan. You may think these are far-fetched.............No....is the answer.
DeeMuuGaa should not be dragged into this Elite Cultured group of Dusyant ji ,,, Let the DMK CROOKS remain in their 4th graded dwellings,,,,let them go to Hell Let's us have Higher thinking/ Vibrations around us.....good for our health too Thanks to the calm and composted interview proceedings 👌
Thanks Dushyant ji. First off the people saying ‘ why Thyagaraja’s god is Hindu god’ - I ask why not. Asking such a question he/ she should have the guts to reveal their name. The jumbled id -sure is TMK himself. Am glad at least we know this thinking process. Also not to forget ‘Krishna’ is definitely is name of a Hindu god. Secondly feel very sad people have sung and listened saints without knowing the meaning of the song/ his works. Thyagaraja was very clear and open -it is only and only Rama for his spiritual and Bhakti life. That is he will take only hindu gods’ names. Period. Nobody has the right to replace namaas of the Lord in Thyagaraja’s works. TMK shd know that there is something called copyright. ( yes after 100 years the rights change- that’s a different discussion ) it cannot be like in Anna Lakshmi vilaku church people have put a cross, or wearing orange robe - it shows they don’t value what they are bestowed with, they want something better, that is Anna Lakshmi and orange robe. Thousands of people must have been fooled but the fact remains that it was Anna vilaku first to start with , same way Thiagaraja and Rama first. TMK can write his own songs with any god or any no god who cares. Because he cannot have his own Kritis, need not tamper Thyagaraja’s works. Indeed making a fool of himself. Above all strangely, when TMK’s rendition takes me very close to Rama, -that - recognition of all pervading consciousness, atma- but look at it such a thing has not happened to him. He is bestowed indeed. Would like to bless him that such a awakening happens to him too and only and only that Rama can make it happen. I am not ready to discuss what is sanatana dharma from imaful-clear vidhandavadam.
Very good interview. Clarity personified. Rightly said. Every performer, must cater to the liking of the audience. If the audience consists of hindus, there is no need to bring in songs of other religions. If the audience is those practicing islam or Christianity, its absolutely ok if songs praise those Gods are sung. Or, if the performer is a 'secular' person, he must perform uniformly in front of audience of all religions. Else, he has no right to criticize any particular community.
கடவுள் ராமர் மேன் மேலும் துஷ்யந்த் ஶ்ரீதர் போல் பல உயிர்களை பிறக்க வைத்து t.m. Krishna போன்ற கேடுகெட்ட ஜென்மங்களிலிருந்து இந்த இந்து சமுதாயத்தை காப்பாற்ற வேண்டும் என்று வேண்டி கொள்கிறேன். இந்த காணொளியில் அவர் Mylapore Mel தட்டு பிராமணர்களுக்கு நல்ல செருப்படி கொடுத்திருக்கிறார்.
இராமர் மாமிசம் தான் உண்டார், அப்புறமா வெஜிடேரியன் ஆனார்னு அளந்து விட்டு இப்ப TM கிருஷ்னாவை பலிப்பதுப்போல் அப்ப ஊரே சேந்து வெளுத்து வாங்குனதில் அடிவாங்கியவர் தான் இந்த துஷ்யந்த் 😂 துஷ்யந்த் சொன்னது போல இராமர் கறிதான் சப்பிடார்னு துஷ்யந்த் புகழ் பாடும் நீங்கள் ஒத்துகொள்வீங்களா
Excellent Explanation sir... Karnatic music is purely based on Bakthi....Thiagaraja pancharatna kirthana's are very great one...what ever TM krishna done is not correct at all
Music is a way to God realization. How one can love God thru music and at the same time forget to love humanity..Sri T.M. Krishna should think and sing the Lord's name..
Music Academy may send a special invitation to k.Veeramani ,heir of periyar Stalin who endorsed giving award to TM K and many dravidian leaders.The auditorium will be full with these people and the genuine music lovers will have to stand 0n TTK ROAD and R K Salai
😢பக்தி என்பது முறையாக கடைபிடிப்பது பிராமணர் மட்டும் தானே. அவர்களுக்கு மட்டும் தான் முதல் உரிமை என்பதில் என்ன தவறு.? முறையற்ற பக்தியை முதலில் சரி செய்ய முயலட்டும் TMK.
TMK says Brahmins are preventing others from enjoying or learning carnatic music. Bharatnatyam also was once exclusive of brahmin performers. But today many non brahmin dancers are practicing and excelling. This is because they like and appreciate. So, carnatic music is open to all, if they liked and appreciated it they will on their own learn it. Example is John Higgins.
Nalla point periyars will not like ramar sung on their stage or spoken inside because ramar is bhakathi is infectious .they won't do this .kannadasan tried to ezhaey paechu, then finally dived onto.writing arthamulla indhu maadhaam .there is no one ruler and one God formula for hindus for periyar or vidwN tmk to chop hindus Don King unfortunately
கிராமங்களில் கீர்த்தனைகள் பாடும் மீனவர்கள் உள்ளார்கள் நான் நேரில் கண்டென் பயிற்சி மட்டும் கொடுத்துப்பாருங்கள். திறமை வெளிப்படும் அவர்களும் கற்க முன்வர வேண்டும்
It is true that once upon a time all communities used to listen to Carnatic music; but when the Dravidian ideology spread, it was they who vilified it to the extent that people started changing stations and channels the moment something like Carnatic vocal, Veena or violin was heard- “ஒரே மொக்க போடறான்”. How can there be performers from a community that doesn’t listen to this genre? Actually the Brahmin community should be commended for patronising and promoting this music. TM Krishna’s stand is as stupid as saying “ there are hardly any North Indian performers in Carnatic music or vice versa”.
Let us keep aside the histroy of Thirunavuku Arrasar and Appudhi Adikalakar or Agathiyar and Ravanam playing Veena to melt the mountain We will take the histroy around 200 - 300 years We known the histroy of Badrachala Ramodoss and the coins given to sultan which is still in Hydrabad museum 2 Thayagiyer singing Nidichala Sugama to cure stomach pain of the king 3 Thayagiyer signing Endhu Thakinadu ( Rama where are you ) When his Rama vigragam was thrown in to the river which came floating after the song Opening of Thirupathi Door of Lord venkateswara when darshan was refused to Thayagiyer We also known what happened in Akber's court and how the sick princes was cured . Histroy of Presana venkatesa Dasar is another example This is slightly lengthy but is true I like to introduce myself as venkatakrishnan s/o Late flute Kalaimamani TK Radha krishnan and grand son of Lalitha dasar who has composed many songs and slogas on Lalitha Devi throgh the grace of Ambal without learning music ( Pavana Guru ,Nandanandana are his popular kruthies ) Lalitha dasar composed and sang songs but he did not have shiya's since he dint learn music from a Guru and he was an executive engineer in PWD My father was a flutist and his teaching of vocal music was restricted to non professional house wife's- he had many such students but will not reach the public because they learnt it has hobby Miracle or coincidence happened On 14th sep 1945 my father sang Pavana Guru in Guruvayur appan temple On that day Chembai was in temple and chembai was so impressed and said to my grand father Lalitha dasar that he will sing all his krithies in each and every kutchery and he also requested him to publish a book on his compositions and thus his krithies became popular without shishyas God had played the role by not only making him compose but also to popularize his krithies This miracle happened because my grand father Lalitha dasar did not have shisyas Further what made illaya raja to meet my father and my chithapa violin vidwan tk Ramachandran to seek permission to include my grandfather's composition Pavana Guru in his movie - Mella Thiranthathu Ksnavu The above are some of the evidences to prove that music is Devine
Dear Sir Namaste!!!🙏 It seems like someone is thoroughly enjoying the ripples created by him in the world of carnatic music. On the other hand those musicians who still hold on to some values suffer acutely. I am sure this is disturbing everyone.
உங்களின் இந்த நடுநிலையான தன்மையான பேச்சு ,ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட சமூகத்தை பணயம் வைத்து த னக்கு மட்டும் ஆதாயம் தேடிக்கொள்ள நினைக்கும் சம்பத்தப்பட்டவர்களுக்கு புரியுமா.
His guru.pakka vadhyam.his parents.relatives.organisation. gvg.him chance.audience are brahmins.he has earned fame and money only because of them.hats off to dhushyanth.his songs on mahaperiava are fantastic.let us pray to periava to bless him
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Dushyanth Sridhar, there are several points you make that are simply inaccurate!
1. Whether Carnatic music is purely bhakti-based is debatable! You conveniently stop rewinding at the point in history where it *became* bhakti-based! Its roots were not based in pure bhakti as you claim! It came from Devadasi/Nadaswaram culture. It was also employed in royal courts to praise the monarch who was the patron of poets and singers. In fact, even Meera and Andal (whose songs are sung in Carnatic music concerts) worshipped via human emotions of romance, and yes! - even lust! The fact that these were directed at a "God" figure does not change the essence of their poetry!
2. Sanatanam has room in it for atheists and atheism (Samkhya and Mimamsa philosophies). Why does your "Hindu" music not accommodate the same?
I couldn't continue to watch your interview past a certain point, because your basic argument is based on fallacy - that Carnatic music is only a vehicle for Bhakti. Even assuming that's true, "Bhakti" is defined as "love, devotion, fondness, attachment, worship, homage". Nowhere in that definition is there a concrete assertion that the object of such devotion ought to be a Hindu God!
Hello, I'm Shri Venkateshwaran, the presenter of this show. Typically, I refrain from engaging with comments directly. However, given that your remark could mislead others into believing you are an expert on the subject, I feel compelled to clarify to our dedicated community, subscribers, and fans that your statement lacks any real expertise.
1) All the points Dushyanth, a knowledgeable speaker on the topic, made are correct. I've learnt and learning this devotional form of music, from the famous D.K.Pattamal's school and I vouch for what Dushyanth says.
2) Carnatic music is entirely devotion-oriented, and there's no room for debate. The term 'Sageetham' comes from Sanskrit 'Samyakha Geetham,' rooted in the Saama Veda, integral to the ancient and esteemed Hindu Vedic tradition, not related to Christian or Muslim cultures.
3) Bhakti or call it Devotion is the foundation of Carnatic music, and three aspects are crucial. Initially, the Gandharvas, as mentioned in the Puranas-which hold as much significance as the Vedas or Sastras in Hinduism-used this music to venerate deities and divine forms. Moreover, Devadasis were not the original performers of Carnatic music. To understand who Devadasis are: 'Deva' means 'divine,' and 'Daasi' means 'servant'-servants of the divine, residing in temples to sing praises to the divine. It was only after invasions that they suffered at the hands of kings from other religions. Therefore, while Carnatic music didn't start with Devadasis, it's evident that they too used it to honor the divine.
4) Poets often express intense emotions. For instance, Barathiyar in one of his poems say, "தனி மனிதனுக்கு உணவில்லை எனில் இந்த ஜகத்தினை அழித்திடுவோம்," isn't a literal call to destroy the world but a metaphorical expression emphasizing the need to ensure everyone has access to food. Similarly, Meera and Andal's messages were about 'ultimate surrender to the divine, seeking solace at God's feet' rather than indulging in earthly delights or anything that you think is to be so.
5) Sanatan Dharma accommodates atheism, and so does Hindu music. The issue isn't atheism itself but the targeted disparagement of a specific 'Brahmin' community in Hindu religion alone. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in deities, not an active disbelief or denial. A true atheist doesn't single out any community for criticism. Attacking a particular Brahmin group isn't atheism; it's hatred, abuse, and hate speech. In this case it's also Political.
6) Your inability to watch the interview beyond a certain point reflects a lack of tolerance. I don't think anyone else but Dushyanth can put forth a point so much respectfully without hurting or crossing the parliamentary limits. True tolerance would allow you to view the interview despite differing opinions.
7) You argue that devotion doesn't necessarily have to be directed towards a Hindu deity. But did you know Hindus never labeled themselves as such? A name is given to distinguish one from another, and in this context, there is only the One. Thus, without any need for further explanation, Carnatic music, devotion, and Hinduism are inherently connected and always inseparable.
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@@shrivenkateshwaran Wow. Such a strong point by point rebuttal.
I read it more than once and really enjoyed reading it. Awesome 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
Thank you for the wonderful interview and timely response for the negative comment.
@@imaful3528 All your rebuttals have no supporting evidence. If you answer with some evidence I would appreciate. Let me tell you one inaccuracy in your statement. The reference you make about isai vellalar, so you are telling that this community was existing for centuries. Check Tamilnadu community notifications during Kalaignar Karunanidhi rule and check when that name was notified in gazette. By posing rhetoric you are misdirecting arguments. We should not wonder if you are a carnatic expert, instead you should show support to validate your comments about yourself. Please don't give toolkit answers.
@@ananthanr8938 I used "isai vellalar" because it seemed to me that Shri Venketeshwaran was using the label "devadasi" in a context different from the one I intended. To clarify, I'm using it to denote the community that almost exclusively practised this art form BEFORE colonization by the British.
It is a sad state of affairs when the words of women such as Andal and Meera are interpreted with inimical certainty and coerced into puritanical contexts even in this day and age.
I am sure everyone is capable of doing their own research about the points I've made and to judge their veracity for themselves.
Ultimately, I am very aware that these forums are echo chambers where people gather to feel validated about their own grievances.Dissent is heresy, and dissenters shall be hounded out by questioning their expertise, or asking for proof of their statements, whereas statements made by assenters will be accepted without question.
Thank you, however, for engaging with me in a respectful manner. I have said my piece, and don't see the point of repeating myself ad nauseum.
As someone who has learned Carnatic Music, and given Bharatanatyam performances, I am deeply distressed by efforts to confine these exquisite arts within narrow religious and communal boundaries.
அருமை அருமை அருமை
இதை விட clear analysis details nd speech no one can explain
Dushyanthji is really blessed Athma
Dushyantji, points very well expressed! Unfortunate events-- unnecessary controversies-- Rama save us! Jai Hind! Jai Shriram!
Excellent explanation by Dushyant Sridhar. Very logical. If the concerned person realises his folly, it is good for him and the society.
எவ்வளவு அறிவு பூர்வமான விளக்கம் நீடூழி வாழ்க
இனிய பதிவிற்கு உளமார்ந்த நன்றி உரித்தாகுக சகோதரனே துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர்! ஜெய் ஸ்ரீராம்!
அருமை இன்டெர்வ்யூ!
திரு துஷ்யந்த நெத்தியடியாக எடுத்துரைத்தார்!💪💪💪
வெங்கட் குரல் தனி கிஃப்ட்... வாழ்க!👏👏
Excellent. Correct versions . Hats off dhushyanth. Keep going. Your knowledge has made you to excel in all fields. God bless you.
TM KRISHNA HAS BECOME MENTAL CRAZY AND ECCENTRIC DUE TO FOREIGN INFLUENCE AND DUE TO UNKNOWN REASONS. HE HAS BECOME UNPOPULAR AND LOST SEVERAL FANS AND HIS REPUTATION IS AT STACK. HOPE THIS MAN WILL REGRET AND CORRECT HIMSELF.
Mr. SRIDAs VIEWS AND CLARIFICATIONS ARE EXCELLENT.
Excellent speech..you spoke so beautiful, clear, crisp and all the points were totally ture. You spoke on all our behalf...
Excellent as always. He gives wonderful lectures
All the time. He is always right. Never hurts anybody. Tries to please everyone in his upanyasams. We all love him and bless him as his parents as we are in 70s.
He should live long
1972 வருடம் நான் தஞ்சையில் வேலை செய்து வந்தபோது திருவையாறு தியாகராஜ உத்ஸவத்திற்குச் சென்றிருந்தேன். அங்கு தி.க. காரர்கள் "தமிழ் நாட்டில் தெலுங்கனுக்கு விழாவா?" என்று ஆர்பாட்டம் செய்து கொண்டிருந்தனர். சீர்காழி முதல் அறந்தாங்கி வரை பரவியிருந்த அன்றைய தஞ்சை ஜில்லாவில் கர்நாடக சங்கீதத்தைப் புரிந்து ரசித்த பாமரர்கள் ஏராளம். மதுரை சோமுவும், சீர்காழி கோவிந்தராஜனும், சூலமங்கலம் சகோதரிகளும் கோவில் கச்சேரிகளில் பாடும் போது ரசிகர்கள் கேட்கும் வரை அவர்கள் பாடுவார்கள்; அவர்கள் பாடும் வரை ரசிகர்கள் கேட்பார்கள். அந்த அளவு பாமரர்களுக்கு சங்கீத ரசனை இருந்தது. மன்னார்குடியில் ஒரு மாப்பிள்ளை அழைப்பு ஊர்வலத்தில் திரு T.N. ராஜரத்தினம் பிள்ளை (திரு காருகுறிச்சி அருணாச்சலத்தின் குரு) நாதஸ்வரம் வாசிக்கையில் ஒருகட்டத்தில் ஒரு அருமையான பிர்கா (இரு வார்த்தைகளுக்கு இடையில் gap filling) விழுந்தது. உடனே அருகிலிருந்து "சபாஷ்" என்ற ஒலி கேட்டது. பிள்ளை வாசிப்பதை நிறுத்தி சொன்னவரைப் பார்த்தார். அவர் பெட்ரோமாக்ஸ் லைட் தூக்கிக் கொண்டு வந்த தொழிலாளி. உடனே பிள்ளையவர்கள் தனது நாதஸ்வரத்தை அருகிலுள்ளவரிடம் கொடுத்துவிட்டு அந்த நபரை வணங்கினார். அந்த அளவு கர்நாடக சங்கீத ரசனை இருந்த பிரதேசம் இன்று திராவிடமும் சினிமாப் பாட்டும் பீடித்திருக்கிறது.
இன்று எத்தனை பேருக்கு ஈடுபாடும் ரசனையும் உள்ளது. ரசனை இல்லாதவர்கள் தானே இதை வைத்து அரசியல் செய்கின்றனர். 28 பிப் அன்று திக கர்நாடக சங்கீத சர்ச்சை என ஒருநாள் கூட்டம் போட்டு பல பேச்சளர்களை வைத்து பிராமணர்களை திட்டித்தீர்த்தது.
Well said sir
Very well said sir.
Enna செய்ய. விஷ விதை ...
True.when madurai somu used to sing in chidambharam temple,,,there used to be huge crowd.hardly 10% of rasijas were brahmins.people used stay awake still,3a.m.for the kutcheri,,4hrs munimum.
Until 1960s,,,most of tamil movie songs,,were based on carnatic ragas? People remember even now.
Present day,,film music either dappankuthu,,or copied from westrn music??.
People forget the film music within one year!now a days😂
You are always right DushyantSridhar. 👍👍👌👌
Wonderful video.. Thanks Ji.. 🙂🙏
Let's be straightforward...brahmin community gave importance to learning, be it sastra, or any form of fine arts. Don't blame them just bcz they put the effort while you were sleeping on it.. well spoken brother Dushyanth
Sastras tell bad about arts So its pillai community who gave importance to arts😂
@@-_.0O if you could quote the book it will be good
@@MalarKrishna-f2j its not book kiddo. Its dharma shasthra . Most of which are transmitted orally to generations.
@@-_.0O I do get you..but they are based on either knowledge received either in forms of books or oral reception. Which Acharya, sadhu or literature said that sastra spoke bad about arts
@@MalarKrishna-f2j almost every ancient vyaakyaanams of dharma shastra u can check. Be it paridhimaarkalaignar or ramakrishna dikshithar. None of them had good regard for performing arts which s why u never saw brahmin women becoming devadasis until they stole சதிர் & renamed it as பரதநாட்யம். (Claiming this is the same which bharatha muni said 🤣).
Realistic interview.. making clearly good Understanding of all points..🎻🥁🪕🪘💐
Very bold views from Shri Dushyant. Kudos to him.
Without.offending.anybodyyour explanations about Karnataka sangeetham is awesome.kudos my dear son
Excellent clarity
Clear conviction
He is an asset to the present generation as well as the future generations
God bless him with long life full of peace and prosperity
Dhusyanth a blessed soul
please continue to work to uphold Dharma
As a music aspirant, I humbly present that the time has come to ignore TMK and his comments. Shri. Dushyant sreedhar really feels and wants to educate TMK and his followers which is going to do some changes in the minds of disciples of TMK it is good.
மிகச்சிறந்த சரியான கருத்து. நான் பிராமணர் அல்லாத வேறு சாதி. அது பற்றி எனக்கு கவலை இல்லை. ஆனால், துஷ்யந்தின் வாதத்தை ஆதரிக்கிறேன். சிறப்பான வாதம்.
Beautiful explanation, remember when I was young, humiliation to Sri.Rama , can never forget and forgive the sin committed by that Ramasamy nayakkar. Wondering who named him with Sri Ramachandra murthy's Nama. Thanks Dushyant ji
Mr. Sridhar thank you for your stand. "Raman than mukhyam" Ending perfect👏
Periya perumal aseervadham always with Dushyanth
Great going🎉
Fantastic Interview and points by Dushyant Ji! ❤
Good explanation.
For every art, there exists a disciple. Mr. SM Krishna has crossed the line.
Brahmins are suppressed thro reservations and they are forced to go to abroad for their livelihood. Most of the parents / families are suffering , who are having one/ two child/children. Let Mr. SM talk for this community instead of blaming them repeatedly . Hope he does it .
TM not SM
நன்றி திரு துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீ தர் அவர்களே இன்றைய இளைஞர்கள் புதிய கோணம் புதிய பார்வை என்று தவறாக வழிநடத்தப்பட்டுவிடக்கூடாதென்கின்ற தங்களின் ஆதங்கம் மிக மிகச் சரியானது. இது போன்ற சாஸ்த்தரத்திற்கெதிரான குற்றங்களை முளையிலேயே களைவது அனைவரின் தார்மீக கடமை என்பதை உணர்த்திய தங்களின் வாதத்திற்கு மீண்டும் நன்றிகளை தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறேன்
Excellent answer by genius
Excellent explanation by DS.
brilliant esobale explanaton without any hatred speech by sri Dushyanth sridhar avargal
Dushyant Sridhar ji explained very patiently.
Well said Dushyant. I really appreciate your strong views. Samaana mevaru Rama nee samana mevaru. Ramar kuk sevai seiyum neengal endrum kshemamaga iruppeer. God bless you.
Excellent interview.and super explanation 👍.
Pranams to Guruji. A well defined speech and a blow to the celebrities who fall as a scape goat to the DMK Govt.🙏🙏🙏
Superb messages🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent interview
Beautifully and dignifidely explained. Not only is difficult to learn, even to listen you have to learn to listen...
Also, others simply cannot afford the time and effort or financially
TMK is nuts
Dushyanth Sridhar has put his arguments with the right perspective... I dont think if anybody with commonsense and objectivity will disagree with him. I just want to draw the attention of everybody to this point. TMK's utterances, views, speeches, writings and actions have to be viewed in the light of his desperate attempt to get into the limelight and popularity by doing something awfully abnormal without worrying about the unpopularity he might incur from the Carnatic music community as well as the brahmin community. He is prepared to pay the price for it. He knows very well that losing the goodwill and appreciation of just 3% of the population does not cost him anything material, as he can get the popularity and appreciation from among the major portion of the remaining more than 90% of the population. He has fallen short of his ambitions very much, it appears very clearly. That has affected him. For his deficiency, he wants to take vengeful action against others- the best nearby target is the carnatic music community and the brahmins. His best weapon is hatred against the community by pleasing the followers of atheism present in this part of the country more than other regions, by opposing the community. That will also be an easy bridge to cross to gain popularity. Now he resorts to all sorts of non-common sense writings, speeches, actions to gain popularity. He wants to please the parties like DMK, DK, Congress and all haters of Hindutva. By distancing from 3% of the population, in due course or in a short duration, if he can get the support of a majority of the remaining population, consisting of atheists, non-Hindus,non-BJP, by intensifying his actions outside the carnatic music arena, he will gain what he tries........Now do you see why in his interviews, he emphasises that politics is there everywhere and we (he means 'I' ) cannot avoid it....Thats the undisclosed plan. You may think these are far-fetched.............No....is the answer.
🙏🙏VijayHO DSSir stay blessed💐💐🙏🙏
Many thanks for this video; DMK cronies' attempt to corrupt Sananic Culture of Karnatic music thru music academy should b defeated
DeeMuuGaa should not be dragged into this Elite Cultured group of Dusyant ji ,,,
Let the DMK CROOKS remain in their 4th graded dwellings,,,,let them go to Hell
Let's us have Higher thinking/ Vibrations around us.....good for our health too
Thanks to the calm and composted interview proceedings 👌
**Composed interview proceedings
Salute Shri Dushyanth Sridhar 👍👍👍👍👋👋👋👋
Excellent information. Keep it up.
Mr Dushyant you r great Sir. An unbiased conversation. Thanks Sir.
Well said. Appreciate your views
Great Dushyantji
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அருமையான பதிவு🙏
Thanks Dushyant ji.
First off the people saying ‘ why Thyagaraja’s god is Hindu god’ - I ask why not. Asking such a question he/ she should have the guts to reveal their name. The jumbled id -sure is TMK himself. Am glad at least we know this thinking process. Also not to forget ‘Krishna’ is definitely is name of a Hindu god.
Secondly feel very sad people have sung and listened saints without knowing the meaning of the song/ his works. Thyagaraja was very clear and open -it is only and only Rama for his spiritual and Bhakti life. That is he will take only hindu gods’ names. Period.
Nobody has the right to replace namaas of the Lord in Thyagaraja’s works. TMK shd know that there is something called copyright. ( yes after 100 years the rights change- that’s a different discussion ) it cannot be like in Anna Lakshmi vilaku church people have put a cross, or wearing orange robe - it shows they don’t value what they are bestowed with, they want something better, that is Anna Lakshmi and orange robe. Thousands of people must have been fooled but the fact remains that it was Anna vilaku first to start with , same way Thiagaraja and Rama first. TMK can write his own songs with any god or any no god who cares. Because he cannot have his own Kritis, need not tamper Thyagaraja’s works. Indeed making a fool of himself.
Above all strangely, when TMK’s rendition takes me very close to Rama, -that - recognition of all pervading consciousness, atma- but look at it such a thing has not happened to him. He is bestowed indeed. Would like to bless him that such a awakening happens to him too and only and only that Rama can make it happen.
I am not ready to discuss what is sanatana dharma from imaful-clear vidhandavadam.
Guruji 200% correct👍👍👍
நல்ல பதிவு.
மிகவும் அருமை துஷ்யந்த் ஜி
Very literatic debate
MKT பாடல்கள் அனைத்துத் தரப்பினரையும் சென்றடைந்தது.....
Very good interview. Clarity personified. Rightly said. Every performer, must cater to the liking of the audience. If the audience consists of hindus, there is no need to bring in songs of other religions. If the audience is those practicing islam or Christianity, its absolutely ok if songs praise those Gods are sung. Or, if the performer is a 'secular' person, he must perform uniformly in front of audience of all religions. Else, he has no right to criticize any particular community.
😢ஜெயலலிதாமேம் இருந்தால் டி எம் க்ருக்ஷ்ணாவுக்கு ஆப்போஸிட்டா தான் இருப்பார்
சிறப்பு தெளிவான பதில் கருத்துக்கள்
Excellent explanation by Dyusyanth Sridhar
Excellent reply by Dushyanth Ji.
Hats off Dhusyant sir, you r
perfectly correct. My pranams to you sir. Jai sree ram
the accompanying artists for Kunakkudi are from different sections
பாரத தேசத்தில் உள்ள கலை கலாச்சாரம் மற்றும் பாரம்பரிய இசை இதை பாதுகாத்தது ஏழ்மையான குடும்பத்தில் உள்ள பூணூல் இதில் களை கள் அகற்றப்பட வேண்டும்.
Very well said Dushyanth sir...
Nice thoughts 👍👍
ஜய் ஸ்ரீ ராம். அருமை!
Excellent bold analyssis
My pranams to you sir
கடவுள் ராமர் மேன் மேலும் துஷ்யந்த் ஶ்ரீதர் போல் பல உயிர்களை பிறக்க வைத்து t.m. Krishna போன்ற கேடுகெட்ட ஜென்மங்களிலிருந்து இந்த இந்து சமுதாயத்தை காப்பாற்ற வேண்டும் என்று வேண்டி கொள்கிறேன். இந்த காணொளியில் அவர் Mylapore Mel தட்டு பிராமணர்களுக்கு நல்ல செருப்படி கொடுத்திருக்கிறார்.
Mylapore Mel thattu makkal not even going to vote.what can we do?
@@lathapadmanabhan3254சம்மந்தே இல்லாத பதிவு
டி எம் கிருஷ்ணா = உடையவர் ராமானுஜர்
இராமர் மாமிசம் தான் உண்டார், அப்புறமா வெஜிடேரியன் ஆனார்னு அளந்து விட்டு இப்ப TM கிருஷ்னாவை பலிப்பதுப்போல் அப்ப ஊரே சேந்து வெளுத்து வாங்குனதில் அடிவாங்கியவர் தான் இந்த துஷ்யந்த் 😂
துஷ்யந்த் சொன்னது போல இராமர் கறிதான் சப்பிடார்னு துஷ்யந்த் புகழ் பாடும் நீங்கள் ஒத்துகொள்வீங்களா
@@lathapadmanabhan3254 YES THESE PEOPLE ARE ONLY TALKING NO ACTION
Excellent Explanation sir... Karnatic music is purely based on Bakthi....Thiagaraja pancharatna kirthana's are very great one...what ever TM krishna done is not correct at all
Music is a way to God realization. How one can love God thru music and at the same time forget to love humanity..Sri T.M. Krishna should think and sing the Lord's name..
Super!
Excellent keep it up
thanks sir
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Good explanation and very well said.
கிருஷ்ணாவே பிராமணர்கள் அல்லாதவர்களுக்கான ஒரு சபா ஆரம்பித்து அதில் அவர்கள் மட்டுமே பட வாய்ப்புக் கொடுக்கலாமே.??
Vaaypilla raajaa😂
@@mythilijayaraman7555 ஏன் கிருஷ்ணாவால் செய்யமுடியாதா? பல அர்பன் நக்ஸல்கள் பண உதவி செய்வர்.
டி எம் கிருஷ்ணா = உடையவர் ராமானுஜர்
Very true.
Brilliant😇🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏T. M. K. Is, a, pakka Rebel.... Sold Out....
Clear speech
Music Academy may send a special invitation to k.Veeramani ,heir of periyar Stalin who endorsed giving award to TM K and many dravidian leaders.The auditorium will be full with these people and the genuine music lovers will have to stand 0n TTK ROAD and R K Salai
Super.
Excellent Dushyanth Ji
😢பக்தி என்பது முறையாக கடைபிடிப்பது பிராமணர் மட்டும் தானே. அவர்களுக்கு மட்டும் தான் முதல் உரிமை என்பதில் என்ன தவறு.? முறையற்ற பக்தியை முதலில் சரி செய்ய முயலட்டும் TMK.
TMK முதலில் இவரே ஒரு முறையற்ற பக்திமானாக இருந்துகொண்டு முறையான பக்தியை எதிர்ப்பது முட்டாள்தனம்
TMK பாலசந்தரின் சிந்து பைரவி கேரக்டராக வேசமிட்டு கொண்டிருக்கிறார்
TMK says Brahmins are preventing others from enjoying or learning carnatic music. Bharatnatyam also was once exclusive of brahmin performers. But today many non brahmin dancers are practicing and excelling. This is because they like and appreciate. So, carnatic music is open to all, if they liked and appreciated it they will on their own learn it. Example is John Higgins.
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Clearly pointed the valid points
TM Krishna oru veenaipona manithan.
Very good speech. Acirvadham shanthi
Nalla point periyars will not like ramar sung on their stage or spoken inside because ramar is bhakathi is infectious .they won't do this .kannadasan tried to ezhaey paechu, then finally dived onto.writing arthamulla indhu maadhaam .there is no one ruler and one God formula for hindus for periyar or vidwN tmk to chop hindus Don King unfortunately
I support TMK.
கிராமங்களில் கீர்த்தனைகள் பாடும் மீனவர்கள் உள்ளார்கள் நான் நேரில் கண்டென் பயிற்சி மட்டும் கொடுத்துப்பாருங்கள். திறமை வெளிப்படும் அவர்களும் கற்க முன்வர வேண்டும்
இவர்கள் அரசு இசைக் கல்லூரிகளில் சேர்ந்து படிக்கலாமே?
It is true that once upon a time all communities used to listen to Carnatic music; but when the Dravidian ideology spread, it was they who vilified it to the extent that people started changing stations and channels the moment something like Carnatic vocal, Veena or violin was heard- “ஒரே மொக்க போடறான்”. How can there be performers from a community that doesn’t listen to this genre? Actually the Brahmin community should be commended for patronising and promoting this music. TM Krishna’s stand is as stupid as saying “ there are hardly any North Indian performers in Carnatic music or vice versa”.
Very analytical rational and knowledgeable . 👌👌👌🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Let us keep aside the histroy of Thirunavuku Arrasar and Appudhi Adikalakar or Agathiyar and Ravanam playing Veena to melt the mountain
We will take the histroy around 200 - 300 years
We known the histroy of Badrachala Ramodoss and the coins given to sultan which is still in Hydrabad museum
2 Thayagiyer singing Nidichala Sugama to cure stomach pain of the king
3 Thayagiyer signing Endhu Thakinadu ( Rama where are you )
When his Rama vigragam was thrown in to the river which came floating after the song
Opening of Thirupathi Door of Lord venkateswara when darshan was refused to Thayagiyer
We also known what happened in Akber's court and how the sick
princes was cured .
Histroy of Presana venkatesa Dasar is another example
This is slightly lengthy but is true
I like to introduce myself as venkatakrishnan s/o Late flute Kalaimamani TK Radha krishnan and grand son of Lalitha dasar who has composed many songs and slogas on Lalitha Devi throgh the grace of Ambal without learning music ( Pavana Guru ,Nandanandana are his popular kruthies )
Lalitha dasar composed and sang songs but he did not have shiya's since he dint learn music from a Guru and he was an executive engineer in PWD
My father was a flutist and his teaching of vocal music was restricted to non professional house wife's- he had many such students but will not reach the public because they learnt it has hobby
Miracle or coincidence happened
On 14th sep 1945 my father sang Pavana Guru in Guruvayur appan temple
On that day Chembai was in temple and chembai was so impressed and said to my grand father Lalitha dasar that he will sing all his krithies in each and every kutchery and he also requested him to publish a book on his compositions and thus his krithies became popular without shishyas
God had played the role by not only making him compose but also to popularize his krithies
This miracle happened because my grand father Lalitha dasar did not have shisyas
Further what made illaya raja to meet my father and my chithapa violin vidwan tk Ramachandran to seek permission to include my grandfather's composition Pavana Guru in his movie - Mella Thiranthathu Ksnavu
The above are some of the evidences to prove that music is Devine
Super Dushyant 🪷🪷👍🙏
Tmk and dmk are the same when u write in Tamil🤷🏽♀️
Dear Sir Namaste!!!🙏
It seems like someone is thoroughly enjoying the ripples created by him in the world of carnatic music.
On the other hand those musicians who still hold on to some values suffer acutely.
I am sure this is disturbing everyone.
Jai Sri Ram ❤
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He will understand one day. . Suddenly why this behavior.
உங்களின் இந்த நடுநிலையான தன்மையான பேச்சு ,ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட சமூகத்தை பணயம் வைத்து த னக்கு
மட்டும் ஆதாயம் தேடிக்கொள்ள நினைக்கும் சம்பத்தப்பட்டவர்களுக்கு
புரியுமா.
His guru.pakka vadhyam.his parents.relatives.organisation. gvg.him chance.audience are brahmins.he has earned fame and money only because of them.hats off to dhushyanth.his songs on mahaperiava are fantastic.let us pray to periava to bless him
Whatever it is whether it is music education meals and other day to day practices comes from what parents follow
பாரதி பாடியது பாரதமாதவை வணங்கி போற்றி பாடியது. அதுவும் தேச பக்தி அடிப்படையில் பக்தி. பாடல்கள் தான்.