Cummins & Eaton Fuller Transmission Test Fit (part 1) Into a GMC C3500HD [Part 7]
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- I attempt to fit a 5.9 24 valve Cummins paired with an Eaton Fuller transmission into a 1995 GMC C3500HD, finding more problems than expected along the way.
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That plastic line, was part of a remote greasing setup that's common on Heavy duty trucks. All the lines run up to one point with a block of grease fittings. It's just 1/8 plastic line available just about anywhere that sells Commercial Truck parts. They work good, up until the plastic line breaks and nobody notices.
IF , he assembled the trany\clutch,etc. WITHOUT a remote grease hose , his throw out bearing will eventually lockUP and then he has TO remove the complete trany,etal . to replace IT !!!
@@joedoakes8307 you don't need the hose, a grease zerk on the throwout bearing works just as well. It's just not as convenient. My Pete is setup like that, and tbh I hate reaching up in there.
@@familytraditiontransportat7951 OK , but if you observe the position of 'His' grease cert on the output shaft it's pointing UP , not down , which is incorrect I think !
The hole in the bottom of the bell housing is there so the throw out bearing can be accessed and lubed when necessary !
Maybe he will address this issue if he reads these posts !
@@joedoakes8307 even if his is pointing up a remote line wouldn't work for it anyway. I didn't catch him putting it in like that, but hopefully he caught it before he did final assembly
I have been building a ranger with a V8 motor with my son and watching this video my by butt pucker when I heard the strap slip off the bent bolt!!! thank god you caught that in time.
Oh nice, that sounds like a cool project! 👍
I'm actually thinking about down the line putting a v8 in my ranger. what engine are you putting in it? I've heard confliting information on what actually fits (I'd like to stay ford though)
Concerning your miracle save action on the engine just in the nick of time, you are one LUCKY guy! Definitely a case of split second save. On another note, if you can acquire a set of backhoe, forklift forks instead of Dyno's bucket for all your lifting jobs, you will be MUCH happier. Lastly, you modification to the clutch release arm/lever was very admirable. Before welding the rod to the lever, I might have drilled through the (outside) face of the lever where the rod met it, to allow an additional plug weld.
Well done Waldo. You make it look easy, and I’m impressed with the engine hoist, and ratchet strap setup. One day, you’ll have a full garage setup with ceiling hoists that’ll make it look even easier.
Thanks, Scott! I'm making progress turning the barn into my shop. I'm going to need it soon for painting!
Waldo! I absolutely love the videos. Wonderful content and beautifully executed and how you deliver it. The filming is great; clean, clear, and not shaky at all. I am a huge fan of Cummins and Detroit diesel (both 2 stroke and V8 configurations). I have a '96 Chevy Tahoe with a 6.5 and a '16 ram 2500. I love both of them however, the Tahoe does require a little more TLC lol. Great videos! Keep it up!
Thank you so much for the feedback and the kind words! 👍
I love your videos and always look for them. What you accomplish in your back yard is amazing! Many full blown shops would never tackle this type of job. Having your welding skill helps immeasurably
Thanks, Pete! My advice for those who don't have one: If you can afford it, get a MIG welder. If not, get a stick welder -- they're harder to learn, but they're cheap!
As always fantastic video , thanks Waldo , yep showing all the tweeks needed to make it work ,grease I agree remote grease point extension , really look forward to next video ,
Thanks, Steve!! Yeah, the remote grease extension makes sense, though it shouldn't be necessary here -- just a matter of convenience 👍
You need to turn the sleeve behind the throw out bearing around so the grease fitting is pointed down.
Yeah, I suppose down would be easier, huh?
As usual, great video Waldo! You are definitely more patient than I am! This is definitely not a common swap vehicle and it's interesting to watch! Great job! Looking forward to seeing you complete this truck! I'm going to share this video and possibly another to get you some more publicity... you are certainly deserving of it!
Thank you so much, Zack! That's incredibly kind of you!! 👊👍
really great to see you test fitting everything first and figuring it out as you go.
My heart stoped when you showed the bent bolt-I can imagine how you felt. Good save.
Yeah, it was a little sketchy 😬
@@WaldosWorld haha, understatement of the year. 😅
That cone of shame on the dog is legit.
Hahaha poor puppy 😂
It's nice being late to the party. Can watch all the videos back to back 😆 lol
Thanks for watching! 👍
12:17 Dino!!! I've been wondering how the backhoe has been! You're first videos were a huge help for me because I literally bought the same backhoe at the same time. I even gave mine the same name when I got it so it was funny to see you call it that, I think everyone probably calls their old hy-dynamic dynahoe Dino. Keep up your good work!
He's doing well except for a bad leak he developed in one of the stabilizer cylinders. I need to put out some more Dino videos, so that'll make some good content, I guess 🤷♂️😂
@@WaldosWorld I didn't have to rebuild my engine like you did, but I have had to rebuild every cylinder because they sprayed fluid. Hey I like your truck by the way, especially with the 12v and transmission you chose. It should be an awesome workhorse. That's hard work doing it all on your own!
Thanks for creating this video, top notch as always.Thats quite the process, looking forward to seeing the rest.
Thanks, Scott!!
Nice work man can’t wait for the next one 💪💪👌👌
Thanks, Cory!!
The plastic tube that was cut off probably went to some remote location where it was easier to access with a grease gun.
That makes sense! Thanks for the comment!
It may well have been connected to (part of) an automatic greasing system.
The throw out bearing zerk should be facing down as well and have a hose coming off it that hangs through the hole in the bell housing so you can grease it much easier than trying to fish a grease gun hose up through the hole to the throw out bearing grease zerk
Hey Waldo. That plastic piece was but clutch actuator rod was most likely got a remote grease fitting.
Also if you go back into that transmission rotate the throw out bearing sleeve so you can access the grease fitting on the throw out bearing through inspection plate on bottom. But never over grease that throw out bearing. 2-3 pumps max. Otherwise there is a chance you’ll get grease onto clutch. No bueno. Lol
Oh shoot. I though it was weird that the grease fitting was facing upwards, but I didn't check to see if I could rotate the throwout bearing 😂
Waldo's World It happens. If you have it apart, then rotate it. Forgot to ask- did you put a new clutch in it?
One last trick, if you don’t have a clutch alignment tool, piece of broom handle can get you by. 😉😉😉😉
@@peteschiavoni No, I didn't install a new clutch. The existing clutch still has some life left in it and a replacement seems a little tricky to find. I think I found a replacement, but it's kind of expensive, so I'll just wait on that one 😂
Agreed just found your channel and binging. Keep up the hard work and content so I can live vicariously through you 🤙🏼
Great video Waldo ! Back yard engineering at its best . I cant wait to see what you do when you get a real shop ! What happened to Aspen ? Looks like a wound on her right quarter .
Thanks, Scott!! Aspen was bitten by another dog. It was a bit rough having her running around energetically with a cone and bumping into everything at mach 3, but she's healed up now except for a scar
Always look forward to your videos! Thanks!!
Thanks, glad to hear it!!
As others have already mentioned the plastic line on the transmission probably ran to a grease pump for automatic grease system of some sort . Not exactly necessary on a pickup. All the lines for these systems are not the same size, each brand uses slightly different thicknesses specific to them so you just can’t go anywhere and get these. I work in parts and we have been a dealer for one of them for over ten years. My advise is to just go to auto parts store and throw one of those rubber grease lines that are already made if you would like to have easy access. If you’re not worried about it than just put a grease zerk in there and be done with it. Great video , making me think twice about engine swapping my k3500
The real MVP is the bolt on the rear side of the engine holding the strap.
Exactly! 😂
I just came across your channel. The 12valve and 24valve oil pans are ambidextrous, Just need to buy the different pick up tube. I don't know if you thought of that. But overall I'm loving this series. Amazing job!
Thank you! Yeah it's nice to have that option, though luckily I didn't need to swap its orientation
Building the exact same truck!
1 gen 12valve and gm nv4500
Getting into notching the crossmember this week
Find my build on Instagram @cumminsc3500hd
Oh nice, that's awesome! 👌
Scared the shit out of me when the engine hookup gave way.. lol! Love the videos Waldo.
1. Remove the hood.
2. Use the yellow tractor as your engine hoist
If only it weren't so jerky when starting and stopping! 👍
I guess I wasn’t the only one yelling this at the computer screen. 😂
My thought was a chainfall under the bucket.
Yep. I use my 67 MF 2200 Industrial as my engine hoist!
I've used a tractor to put in several engines and even with one that isn't jerky and awkward like his, it's very hard to do with one person without damaging something. It's far easier to do it the way he is. Slower, but better. Yall talking about using that old jerky backhoe have clearly never done an engine swap.
After watching this video and the master/slave cylinder install video, I'm surprised you didn't change the orientation of the lever arm on the throwout fork shaft so you wouldn't have to fabricate as much to create the multi-pivot linkage you did.
The side grease fitting with the plastictubes were put in their for a lube tube that was located under the cab i drove a Columbia Freightshaker with that set up.
Thank you so much for the knowledge!
Also Columbia Freightshaker: 🤣🤣🤣
@@WaldosWorld that nickname was given to Freightliner way back in the 70's when they were a part of White motor corporation...they were known as white Freightliner then they split and became Freightliner white motor corp was bought by Volvo ...and Freightliner is owned by Daimler Benz now .....back before Freightliner was bought by Daimler Benz they were by far a better truck ......but thats a little history of the Freightshaker
Most all heavy equipment builders install those grease tubes on their equipment with an autolube system its computer controlled and each component is set for a specific amount of grease........
I used to do off road tire work ..went to a job one saturday morning the autolube malfunctioned and somehow set off the fire suppression system...and i had to work in that crap changing all 4 tires it was on a Cat 988G frontend loader .....glad the tires were used it didnt take long to mount them and get the hell out of dodge .....
A couple of studs in the motor would align the trans on mating them together. Then a couple of bolts to hold your progress.
Yeah, studs are a good idea! 👍
I make guide pins all the time for aligning things like flywheels or trans. Take a long bolt with same thread pitch. You will want it long enough to stick out of the part you are aligning. Cut the head off and grind a groove at the outer end of the bolt now for a flat head screwdriver to remove once aligned.
The red tube was for a remote grease fitting that is normally behind the cab. Your throw out bearing is upside down. The grease fitting goes down so it can be lubed from the access hole.
It's too bad your Cummins didn't come with the P pump. There's so much you can do with it. Tuning-wise anyways. Love the work you've been doing!! 👌
Thank you! Yeah, if the VP44 pump on this ever needs to be replaced, I'm definitely going to consider a P-pump swap 👌
There's a recall on Harbor Freight jack stands, over 500,000 units...
Thanks for the heads up! I do have a couple of them!
I'm doing the exact same swap As You Are. Except I am using at 12 valve 5.9
Oh, very cool! I guess our trucks will be sorta like twins 😂
I'm not sure about Freightliner but on my KW the friend that helped me rebuild her works at the Freightliner yard in town and he ran a lot of tubes like that, that went to grease zerts that you couldn't get to and he ran them into a block that he put right under the driver side door on my truck. Now it's not a problem at all greasing them. You know you might want to go to Larson farm and see how they clean everything that comes into their shop. They have a built in pressure dwashing bay.
Waldo I just found your channel love it subbed and tapped bell
Thank you so much for the sub!
I saw that bolt bend right when you lifted the engine and trans. 😧glad you caught it before it came off
Thanks! Yeah it was a little spooky 😂
Watched about 5 minutes. Truly a "shade tree mechanic" I would not trust changing a tire on my car.
I'm not a mechanic, I just play one on TH-cam 🙃
Then I guess it's a good thing that he would never change your tire.
I'm still on the fence about the whole EF trans in this truck. I'm working on a 12 valve with NV4500 in my 98 K3500 and it was a tight fit. That SAE bellhousing/adapter is huge. The NV4500 and Dodge bellhousing and adapter fit the truck with about 1/2" of clearance all the way around. That's with the body seam/lip folded flat, too. I'm sure you'll get it in there one way or another but holy cow, there are much easier ways to fit a Cummins/5spd into a GMT400. I'll be interested to see how much effort it takes to get it fit in there. Hopefully it doesnt require much cutting of the body.
Yeah, I didn't realize the trans would be this tight of a fit. I think I'll be able to get it in once I get the crossmember out of the way (so I can lower the engine/trans) and I fold over the seam of the firewall/trans tunnel. Keep in mind that the HDs actually have the body mounted higher than the normal 3500s (which is why they have that 4 inch lower grille to fill the gap), so that'll help. 👍
The line on the trans shaft housing bearing is for a remote grease fitting… very common on hard to get areas.
Torque wrench on bell housing bolts. Far and few but nice work!
Late to the party but yes that plastic tube is actually air brake line but it is purposed for remote location of a grease zerk. There should be similar on the other side and also the clutch release bearing should have a tube that goes down to an inspection plate for remote mount (the missing piece that would cover the hole in the bottom of the bell housing)
Waldo , you do a great job on these Videos, I was wondering if it would be possible to fit the Cumming in the Chevy using the Chevy trans (480LE) ???? That the truck came with ???I am sure you did a lot of research on this project be for jumping in .. Thanxs pete
Yep, it's definitely possible, though an adapter would be needed to mate the engine and transmission. I have a personal preference for manuals, but I may very well have used the 4L80 if I wanted an automatic
Hi Waldo..you are very enterprising....I’m doing a very similar swap into a 1990 3500 duelly....just as a point of interest it’s much easier if you remove the entire front clip or as most people do by removing the cab. I’ll be watching as you modify the crossmember...your chassis appears quite different as your truck Haas a straight axel I am wondering as why you don’t clean your parts...the grease inside the bell housing ?.....but I’m patiently watching....your solution on the engine mounts will be of interest as I purchased a set that does bolt to the crossmember and block....iv seen the adaption of the dodge mounts...I have a donor truck the cummins came out of and if you need some of the factory pieces let me know.....and does the trans you chose have fifth as overdrive?....the preferred axel ratio using the NV 4590 trans with fifth as overdrive is 3:73
Thanks, Charles! I never really thought about removing the cab, but it actually wouldn't be that hard at this point. The Eaton trans actually does not have an overdrive. I'm thinking I might lower my axle ratio to 3.13 to compensate. That's as low as I can go with the Dana 80. Luckily, I'm not a fast driver on the highway 😂🤷♂️
Haha ! "Close" is a residential street with no through access 😂
Waldo get a bug engine hoist buddy! You deserve it!
I might of stuck with the rubber mounts , been there done that , the poly ones will send more vibration threw the truck , I did it to a cummins and then changed them back to OEM rubber ones , night and day difference
Cool Project!
Thank you!!
5:15 I am not a mechanic, but throw-up bearing should probably be mounted upside down with the grease fitting facing the inspection hole.
Very nice job 👏
Thank you! 👍
Waldo, why didn't you clean inside the bell housing of the trans when you made the mods?
You and I are so different. I would have all part’s squeaky clean before installing them.
Nice work
That plastic tube is remote grease fitting. Lots of equipment is that way. You can grease multiple points from one location, like a bulkhead with 5 ports going to 5 seperation locations.
That's pretty cool! It's probably an invention that's newer than all of the equipment I have 😂
.Where did you get the brass striker rod? I can't find one in the places I've looked.
Enjoying your videos and the channel, great narration!
Why the switch from NV4500 to Eaton ? Nice work either way!
It's an Eaton, not an Allison, but the reason is because the NV4500 I have needs a rebuild (which I was planning on doing) and I stumbled upon this Eaton that includes a parking brake and a speed sensor, both of which the Dodge NV4500 don't have but the GMC needs 👍
Probably had automatic greasers on the truck. A lot of ours have them. I think they’re called grease jocky or something
Should replace the throw-out bearing while it's in the open. Didn't get to see the clutch plate but assume it's over 75% left.
One more thing..........it appears that the SLEEVE that the holds the grease cert for greasing the throw out bearing should be rotated 180 degrees so it points straight DOWN ! Then you can access the cert from the HOLE\Window on the bottom of the bell housing !
I couldn't have left all the grease and mess inside of the bellhousing. It also looked like there was quite a bit of wear on the clutch shaft. It's just not in my nature to let things like that go. But that's also why it takes forever for me to finish a project, if it gets finished at all. 😄
I'm no mechanic but that grease fitting thing at 27:13 might be someone's attempt at setting up an automated greasing system. I've seen similar stuff on heavy equipment where you can push a button in the cab and you can grease the joints without having to stop and service the machine. It's popular with excavator's once you get around the 470 and up size. It kinda has a look like someone tried to make their own....but what do I know
Which OEM number is your flywheel housing and where did you find it? Is it a number two and where did you find the flywheel?
Yep, it's an SAE #2 flywheel housing. The flywheel housing, flywheel, and clutch all conveniently came with the transmission. The trans apparently came off of a Freightliner that had a 5.9 Cummins 🤷♂️
they have a tool for the cherrypicker to adjust your engine angle bubby save a shit ton of headaches
How and where did you find that motor mount insert...
It would've been on either rockauto.com or summitracing.com. I'm not sponsored by either, but I wish I were! 🤣
that will either be remote greasing or most likely autolube
I didn't realize that was a thing! Pretty cool, though!
@@WaldosWorld yea pretty handy, saves crawling in the dirt or neglect lol. cool build though, just binge watching the series!
I just stumbled across your channel and my question is why didn’t you remove the hood first thing?
I have only watched this first video, but I’m wondering if/ when you discover that some/ (all?) the 5.9 Cummins off road engines have front sump pans. I think it may even be the same pan just flipped 180 degrees but not 100% sure.
You may know this already, being a year old video, but get you a spreader bar and some dirt casters.
The hose that was cut ran to an automatic greaser
Thanks! I hadn't heard of those before! 👍
That clutch will chatter because you didn't use a pilot shaft to center the disc before you tightened the pressure plate.
That’s almost certainly a remote grease zerk, or the truck was equipped with an auto greaser system
Question about engine mounts: Do you think with a body lift and a bit of trimming, you would be able to use the mounts on the clutch housing?
Now that tractor is a proper cherry picker
It gets the job done, and it's nice to NOT be pushing the weight limits of what my equipment can handle 😂
@@WaldosWorld yea I guarantee I wouldnt be using a harbor freight cherry picker for that load 😂
I have a 6.5 myself. Is that the stock transmission that you mounted to it or not? I’m no expert on the transmission side of things.
No, I bought the Eaton separately. The transmission that came with the 6.5 is a GM 4L80E and the trans that came with the Cummins was a New Venture NV4500
👍Good stuff!
Don't you need to attach a permanent grease hose to the through out bearing and run it through the top of the bell housing so it can be greased every so often ?
Thanks for another high quality video. Please consider wearing foot protection - Chinese engine crane at max extension, max load, sketchy hoisting points….all the ingredients are there.
That's a sweet 3 point lift. Did you make that .
Who ever put the throw out bearing carrier in last put it in upside down so now you cannot grease thru lower hole, it should have been rolled over and added an extension line so poked out bottom
Had you ever considered using turnbuckles (3/8 or 1/2 in.) in line with your chains to control the load angle more accurately but slower?
Hi nice work can u tell me what parts I need to buy to swap in my 1995 dodge dually
What are your flywheel housing and bellhousing measures?
It's a standard SAE 2 bellhousing. The dimensions are listed here: www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-bellhousing-and-flywheel-measurements/
Waldo's World thanks Waldo!
Did ya replace that oil pan gasket?
Not yet. I planned on having to remove the pan again, so that was just temporary
@@WaldosWorld great videos :)
Quick Question, Can I use a 93 Eaton Fuller 6206a on 93 5.9 cummins for a f600 I have
You'd have to make sure they both use the same bellhousing. If the Cummins came in the F600 originally, there's a decent chance that it uses the same SAE bellhousing as the Eaton. For reference, mine is an SAE #2 bellhousing. You can find the dimensions here: www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-bellhousing-and-flywheel-measurements/
@@WaldosWorld The thing is that the 5.9 cummins is from a 1993 dodge cummins so the bellhousing is different and I was told that Ill have to get a new bellhouse I believe its sae 3, the only thing I has worried about if the Eaton Fuller FS6206a would work with that cummins engine
Hope you named the puppy;
"WHIP"
Hahaha that would've been a fitting name! 😂
Can you tell me the model of that Eaton transmission? I’m doing something similar on my freightliner and I need one with the emergency drum.
It looks like it's a remote grease feeding
Thanks! I didn't know that was a thing 😂
Subbed
Thanks for the sub!
Ok ... so do you have twin brother? Is that the person helping you put toward the end of this video ?
why didn't you just use the nv 4500 may have already been ask but didnt see why
Waldo, can you give a link to the music?
With all your handiness, why don't you pour a concrete slab on the property so you have a decent surface to work on?
Waldo, can your dog get HBO with that receiver on his head?
You sure could use a miniex around your place
What year is the c3500hd?
It's a 1995. Perhaps the perfect year because it has the newer interior introduced in '95, but it doesn't have the OBD2 emissions crap introduced by federal mandate in '96 👌
Also you say there is a chronologically listed play list in order. Why not Create an actual playlist under the one you have already in order
How many times do you find yourself stopping yourself from saying "that's what she said"?
14:50 Seams like you'd want to remove the hood.
Why not just put a new clutch in? I’ll tell your from experience those Eatons are not treated nicely lol that clutch has probably held a 20,000lb truck at more inclined stop lights than you can count
Yeah, that's a good point. Hopefully I won't regret my decision 😬
How can you stand to NOT clean all the yucky mess out of the bell housing??? Oh, I forgot you're fine with working IN dirt.