There's still more that the car can give, and that's encouraging. Thanks for sharing the excitement, Richard. 🙂👍 As far as the connectors go, there is developing need for NACS connectors in the American market. Those smaller plugs are proving to be very popular, both with drivers and car companies.
Hi Richard, good to see you and Bug Zappa at the Festival of Sppeed last Sunday, thanks for taking the time to have a little chat and thanks Tim for showing me around Bug Zappa, seeing it up close you can really appreciate the quality of the build, looks awesome 👍
Solid progress imho. The 1/4 times are not that critical as you need to take it round the corners yet, so the chassis has much more to do! The car is super stable leaving the start to the end, really good. A day (if you could) at Prescott hillclimb would start to see the balance of the car for it's intended purpose. Fabulous effort all coming neatly together.
I agree that drag racing is not really representative as to what we built it for. We’re looking forward to receiving our new suspension so we can get to see how it goes around corners and start tuning for that. 👍
Ok what a fantastic name Bug Zappa 😂, glad I suggested it and it looks awesome on the doors! Love your content mate. Maybe throw some sand bags in the front and back for extra traction 😮?
Wow, sounded awesome when we were on board with you. It is delivering exactly what you designed it to do. It is not set up for drag racing although it is delivering some respectable results. Must admit the car looks fantastic in its wrap. Great video Moggy thank you👍❤️🏴
I hope that any drag racing mods you make (softer suspension, soft drag radials, more clearance to allow the weight to transfer without damaging that lovely bodywork, etc...) can be implemented without compromising the...Pike's Peakiness(?)...of your already perfect car. Being able to dominate in two regimes with one car is a very admirable goal to aim for, though. I like the quietness by which you go about things; "speak softly and carry a big stick." You can display your car in front of those wind turbines in a totally un-ironic way, too! This is a build the shows 'em what's...watts...on! Aloha!
Just a thought - on 'The Tesla Plaid Channel', every time he drag races his Plaid, he never does burnouts - instead, he drives around the water and does a few sharp accelerations to clean the tyres before the lights go green, and he usually beats the ICE cars, out-of-the-hole as they say, to 60', and in ET. I understand this may not apply with the tyres you're using, but the hugely-powerful 4WD Plaid model may have something that could transfer to Bug Zappa's situation. Really enjoying following your progress, many thanks!
That thing takes off like a rocket. Get the traction control under control, and YOWZA. Torque monster, if it gets to the track, that thing is like a slot car on 100%.
I’m looking forward to seeing it on a proper hillclimb and/or race track, when you’ll already be rolling when you hit the accelerator out of the corners. TONS of potential there!! 😊
I'm sure you would gain at least a half second, probably more, by letting the front motor do its job. It's not like a RWD with only the front wheels, rotor and hub spinning. With AWD turned off, you're not only fighting the rotational inertia of the wheels, you're also having to spin up the reduction gearbox and motor. Even if the front were turned down to 20%, just to keep the rotation up with the rest of the car, you would gain a lot more than you think. But the front drive could really help a lot more than you think, especially at the top end where traction isn't quite so limited. I really think you would cut more than a second off if you just kept it in full AWD and let the traction control deal with the wheelspin. The Tesla Plaid Channel does 9.1Xs and it weighs twice as much as your car.
Awesome car. I am thinking of doing something similar in a Mark 2 Golf, but RWD only and set up just for drag racing. Right now I am trying to figure how small a battery I can get away with and still get full power to a Plaid rear drive unit. Any resources you could point me to would be appreciated.
Have you looked at how climb angle impacts traction? Can you adjust torque vectoring to balance traction front to rear whilst climbing? There’s some very steep sections at Pikes, and also some shallower areas of ascent. Interested in the science of that…
Nice runs, as leafbone (below) suggested can you program Traction Power & Time ?, Hope after the Promo on Charging Sockets, you were parked at Windmills to grab a free recharge ... 😃
9:19 Looking at the last run I calculate using the ticket times and a bit of calculus: 0-60mph 2.384s (so different from "Tracky"); maximum g force was at launch with a value of 1.323g.
Like some one said, could it have a software "launch mode" that build power rapidly to avoid wheel spin? Like 80-100%. Time how long the wheel spin happens and make that the duration of power boost.
Not that day. I wanted to adjust one thing at a time to be able to directly attribute the benefits or lack of to that one parameter change. Now I’ve exhausted traction control settings next will be tyre pressures and motor power bias front to rear next weekend. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars Can you do say... 60 percent power till 35 mph then 75 percent till 55? and so on... that with about 30 percent power front and 70 percent rear seems to be the sweet spot for power to front wheels going straight or around corners
I know this isn’t the plans for this car ,but even at the race track ,would it be best to do a traction control dial on the dash ,so you don’t need to go into the screen
Could you set a ramp linked power / speed ? so that the power starts off low enough to not spin and ramps up as the speed increases ? I know that is basically what the traction control does, but traction control is not really linear or smooth.
Would it be possible to have the motor power ramp up for the first half second or so? Say, starts at 50% for half second on launch, then power ramps to 100% over then next half second to give traction control and tyres a fighting chance to launch you faster.
@@leafbone1 1.5 seconds is too long... 0.25 seconds should be enough... Also shifting the power bias from rear to front helps with losing grip but you need own sensor to detect excess torque, basically detecting if front pulls up too much.
Greetings first in 😎🧙🏻♂️ The important thing is it all staid put together and behaved predictably.. now perhapse some fine fettling and a track day or hillclimb try out? 👍🏻🤞🏻
Is there a LSD, or do you even need one with electric cars ? I just ask because when you were trying to get heat in the tyres it didn't look like the front wheels were slipping like the back ones were.
I've said this before but... Need to put 60% front and 40% rear, and delay giving full power for few hundred milliseconds... This way it has enough time to get grip on the track.
Looking at the logs afterwards it seems it’s the front that let’s go first. So next weekend at the strip we’re going to be playing around with front/rear power bias. 👍
Not at the moment but the next thing we’ll be playing with is front/rear motor power bias as looking at the logs it seems the front motor spins first so the rear can cope with more power.
❤😂😢😮😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 I recognize your voice you are one of the mechanics on Wheeler dealers do you still do that show with Ed? I like that show too. Take care of that nice electric bug. I wish there was a way I could rent a electric car so I could decide if I really want one.
Why so short? Half of the video consists of sponsor talk about plugs... then we got to see 2 pulls and the last pull you said we try traction control on 5 and if it makes it worse we will try it completely off which you didn't even try.... Not sure what to say here. Very minimal.
Isn‘t it possible to program power to revs equivalent or so? So it limits the power at the start until the tires grip and then to give full power? Otherwise great video as always love your channel!
tyre pessure too high. i just tested the new model 3 performance and it was awfully slippery compared to my 2019 model 3 perf. i checked tyre pessure it was 3.2 bar instead of lower than 2.7 for good grip
A friend of mine has the fastest Golf 2 16v Turbo in the world JHB Performance. For me it seems like you have not the best wheel combination für the 1/4 Mile. Maybe you can check the setup at the fastest 4 wheel gasoline cars. Greetings from Germany.
What do you mean? It looks like only the floor is from a car if even, the rest is tube frame and class fiber on top. Only really about 10% of this car is actually from a car to begin with and I refuse to believe that the rest 90% of the car was not used to save other cars, if the parts was usable of course.
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There's still more that the car can give, and that's encouraging. Thanks for sharing the excitement, Richard. 🙂👍 As far as the connectors go, there is developing need for NACS connectors in the American market. Those smaller plugs are proving to be very popular, both with drivers and car companies.
Hi Richard, good to see you and Bug Zappa at the Festival of Sppeed last Sunday, thanks for taking the time to have a little chat and thanks Tim for showing me around Bug Zappa, seeing it up close you can really appreciate the quality of the build, looks awesome 👍
Thanks for stopping by. 👍
Great to meet you. Thanks for watching. 👍😀
Sounds wicked on the burn outs!! Looking forward to the Bug Zappa ripping around a proper road track!
Every time I see that wrap I like it even more. What a stunning job WrapUK did
Solid progress imho. The 1/4 times are not that critical as you need to take it round the corners yet, so the chassis has much more to do! The car is super stable leaving the start to the end, really good.
A day (if you could) at Prescott hillclimb would start to see the balance of the car for it's intended purpose. Fabulous effort all coming neatly together.
I agree that drag racing is not really representative as to what we built it for. We’re looking forward to receiving our new suspension so we can get to see how it goes around corners and start tuning for that. 👍
What a beautiful looking car, you've done a great job there. Totally bonkers. Can’t wait to see it in a proper race.
Love how the show is progressing with the Pikes Peak car. Your company is hands down the best in the business!
Thanks 👍
Love the fact that your app lets you swipe right for power ⚡💘
Ok what a fantastic name Bug Zappa 😂, glad I suggested it and it looks awesome on the doors! Love your content mate.
Maybe throw some sand bags in the front and back for extra traction 😮?
More Batteries ...
Great car you have there, congrats, nice seeing some heavy American iron at the strip too.
That black Goat was a thing of beauty.
Would have been nice to see the times on that run as well.
Well done. Thanks for the vid. Jim Bell (Australia)
Wow, sounded awesome when we were on board with you. It is delivering exactly what you designed it to do. It is not set up for drag racing although it is delivering some respectable results. Must admit the car looks fantastic in its wrap. Great video Moggy thank you👍❤️🏴
Thanks 👍
You fellas should get some big slicks on that zappa!
What a beast!! Bravo, team. That car is glorious.
Wow Richard. What a rocket 🚀
I hope that any drag racing mods you make (softer suspension, soft drag radials, more clearance to allow the weight to transfer without damaging that lovely bodywork, etc...) can be implemented without compromising the...Pike's Peakiness(?)...of your already perfect car. Being able to dominate in two regimes with one car is a very admirable goal to aim for, though. I like the quietness by which you go about things; "speak softly and carry a big stick." You can display your car in front of those wind turbines in a totally un-ironic way, too! This is a build the shows 'em what's...watts...on! Aloha!
Aloha 😎👍
Some sharp car you can be proud of
BugZappa to Pikes Peak Hill Climb in my neighborhood! Can't wait to see it! Beautiful Colorado USA.
I'll get that Zappa under 10. Fly me over from Canada and I'll give it a go :D
Just a thought - on 'The Tesla Plaid Channel', every time he drag races his Plaid, he never does burnouts - instead, he drives around the water and does a few sharp accelerations to clean the tyres before the lights go green, and he usually beats the ICE cars, out-of-the-hole as they say, to 60', and in ET. I understand this may not apply with the tyres you're using, but the hugely-powerful 4WD Plaid model may have something that could transfer to Bug Zappa's situation. Really enjoying following your progress, many thanks!
Thanks for the info. 👍
Love it! And it's a ten second car! Can't complain about that. Bug Zapper!! (I hope you affectionately call him Frank) 😉
I like it! Frank it is 😉👍
@@ElectricClassicCars Oh no way!? Hahahaha! Cool bananas Moggy! After 70 years a celebrity-ish person listened to something I said! 😁 Cheers, Pete.
That thing takes off like a rocket. Get the traction control under control, and YOWZA.
Torque monster, if it gets to the track, that thing is like a slot car on 100%.
What an awesome car!!! 😍😍😍😍
I’m looking forward to seeing it on a proper hillclimb and/or race track, when you’ll already be rolling when you hit the accelerator out of the corners. TONS of potential there!! 😊
Soon. 👍👍👍 Just waiting on our suspension to arrive now. 👍
I much prefer the relative quiet of BugZappa!
The power of silence. 💪👌
Fast, powerful, fun!
Would love to see what this would do with some drag radials and optimised suspension
Soon 😉👍
POV vid was cool!
Herbie’s eco cousin 🤙🤙🤙🤙
One thing I love about high performance EV's is the sound. Subtle whine from the motor and hearing what the tires are doing.
The power of silence. 👍
"hearing what the tires are doing" that's an interesting point ..............
10.50 is proper fast, really a great time.
Much more to come. Stay tuned. 😉👍
fck love this machine!
Been following the progress
Congratulations 🎉
You may as well reinstall a wobble plate. Good ones of those do nines. All this with 2 wd!
Fantastic!
Impressive! ⚡⚡⚡
See you all again on the weekend for Bug Jam. 😎👍
All there cars are great
ive never been that bored watching a drag race .. wow
I'm sure you would gain at least a half second, probably more, by letting the front motor do its job. It's not like a RWD with only the front wheels, rotor and hub spinning. With AWD turned off, you're not only fighting the rotational inertia of the wheels, you're also having to spin up the reduction gearbox and motor. Even if the front were turned down to 20%, just to keep the rotation up with the rest of the car, you would gain a lot more than you think. But the front drive could really help a lot more than you think, especially at the top end where traction isn't quite so limited.
I really think you would cut more than a second off if you just kept it in full AWD and let the traction control deal with the wheelspin. The Tesla Plaid Channel does 9.1Xs and it weighs twice as much as your car.
It is in AWD. 🤷♂️
Awesome car. I am thinking of doing something similar in a Mark 2 Golf, but RWD only and set up just for drag racing. Right now I am trying to figure how small a battery I can get away with and still get full power to a Plaid rear drive unit.
Any resources you could point me to would be appreciated.
Are you not using the NACS connector the US market? It's all going NACS there.
Have you looked at how climb angle impacts traction? Can you adjust torque vectoring to balance traction front to rear whilst climbing? There’s some very steep sections at Pikes, and also some shallower areas of ascent. Interested in the science of that…
Yes. We’ll be adding some rake to the car to take it into account. 👍
Very good
Hello Richard. I wonder if tire pressure would work in any way.
Teasing us with contents of the grey car cover in the background?
Shaved 1 sec. Warmer day, god for tires and batteries. Back to the shop to improve traction control. Get more zip in the 1 st 60.
Next thing I’ll be playing with is front/rear motor power bias. 👍
there was more ad then actual track footage.......... disappointing. Need to see more of this beast!!!!
Nice runs, as leafbone (below) suggested can you program Traction Power & Time ?, Hope after the Promo on Charging Sockets, you were parked at Windmills to grab a free recharge ... 😃
There is no such thing as too much power.
Only, too little traction. 😂
So true 😆👍
9:19 Looking at the last run I calculate using the ticket times and a bit of calculus: 0-60mph 2.384s (so different from "Tracky"); maximum g force was at launch with a value of 1.323g.
Like some one said, could it have a software "launch mode" that build power rapidly to avoid wheel spin? Like 80-100%. Time how long the wheel spin happens and make that the duration of power boost.
Are getting yourself ready for Pikes Peak next year? How exactly would you get BugZappa to the States?
Any electronic equivalent of a slipper clutch you could program in?
Unfortunately not. But softer rear springs and some drag radials might help. 👍
You could take it to Pikes Peak and get up at 3am and go run the hill!
Looks like the "inch pincher" VW Beetle drag car from years ago
Power Pincher ⚡️😆👍
Did you adjust tyre pressures and check temps at all.
Not that day. I wanted to adjust one thing at a time to be able to directly attribute the benefits or lack of to that one parameter change. Now I’ve exhausted traction control settings next will be tyre pressures and motor power bias front to rear next weekend. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars Can you do say... 60 percent power till 35 mph then 75 percent till 55? and so on... that with about 30 percent power front and 70 percent rear seems to be the sweet spot for power to front wheels going straight or around corners
How about programming the TC to be progressive, easing the power damping with speed and distance?
I know this isn’t the plans for this car ,but even at the race track ,would it be best to do a traction control dial on the dash ,so you don’t need to go into the screen
can you have 60 percent for the first 50 feet and then 100 percent by switch
Could you set a ramp linked power / speed ? so that the power starts off low enough to not spin and ramps up as the speed increases ?
I know that is basically what the traction control does, but traction control is not really linear or smooth.
Why not reduce the power until a certain speed to reduce wheel spin if the 60 foot is better
Launch mode?
Would it be possible to have the motor power ramp up for the first half second or so? Say, starts at 50% for half second on launch, then power ramps to 100% over then next half second to give traction control and tyres a fighting chance to launch you faster.
Can you program in gradual power, say 80% for 1.5 seconds then 100%
Was thinking the same thing. 👍
Unfortunately not at the moment.
@@leafbone1 1.5 seconds is too long... 0.25 seconds should be enough... Also shifting the power bias from rear to front helps with losing grip but you need own sensor to detect excess torque, basically detecting if front pulls up too much.
@@leafbone1 Traction control will make it a beast
I thought the same thing. Then read comments so deleted mine.
Greetings first in 😎🧙🏻♂️
The important thing is it all staid put together and behaved predictably.. now perhapse some fine fettling and a track day or hillclimb try out? 👍🏻🤞🏻
Absolutely
Actually, water and electricity mix very well, which is why you want to avoid such a combination.
True 😆👍👍
Need bigger Slick's
Yep 👍
Is there a LSD, or do you even need one with electric cars ? I just ask because when you were trying to get heat in the tyres it didn't look like the front wheels were slipping like the back ones were.
The front and rear motors both have LSDs in. I can switch it into FWD and RWD mode for burnouts. Then back to AWD mode for racing. 👍
I've said this before but... Need to put 60% front and 40% rear, and delay giving full power for few hundred milliseconds... This way it has enough time to get grip on the track.
Looking at the logs afterwards it seems it’s the front that let’s go first. So next weekend at the strip we’re going to be playing around with front/rear power bias. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars If you put too much on rear wheels, it will lift the front up causing it to loose grip.
Can anyone tell me why the strip looks wet and shiny. Do they spray it with something?
Vht most likely is what it's sprayed with.
Great work Richard! Can you program a launch mode by reducing the power at first then gradually "give it the beans" smoothly so as not to tire spin?
Not at the moment but the next thing we’ll be playing with is front/rear motor power bias as looking at the logs it seems the front motor spins first so the rear can cope with more power.
Bonkers!
Is my middle name. 😆😉👍
So, fatter rear tyres?
Drag tires and a suspension setup designed for launches would be the next step, but that's not really the point of the car it seems.
What are the scores, Tim Dawes? (He's just a great big baby!) 😋👍
Is that a 300 SL under that cover?
Possibly 😉👍
❤😂😢😮😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 I recognize your voice you are one of the mechanics on Wheeler dealers do you still do that show with Ed? I like that show too. Take care of that nice electric bug. I wish there was a way I could rent a electric car so I could decide if I really want one.
Why so short? Half of the video consists of sponsor talk about plugs... then we got to see 2 pulls and the last pull you said we try traction control on 5 and if it makes it worse we will try it completely off which you didn't even try....
Not sure what to say here. Very minimal.
😎😎😎😎👍👍👍👍
You need to get yourself a Kistler for your traction control 😂 power ain't worth nothin if you can't get it to the pavement
Isn‘t it possible to program power to revs equivalent or so? So it limits the power at the start until the tires grip and then to give full power? Otherwise great video as always love your channel!
Are you going to fit the rear wing and try it?
Not until the front splitter is on as without it it could lift the front wheels. 👍
Foot well open to the ground? @ 1:44
Not anymore 👍
IVE BEEN NOTICING THAT ELECTRIC CARS HAVE BEEN SOUNDING LIKE THE CARS FROM THE JETSONS CARTOON
tyre pessure too high. i just tested the new model 3 performance and it was awfully slippery compared to my 2019 model 3 perf. i checked tyre pessure it was 3.2 bar instead of lower than 2.7 for good grip
I agree. Tyre pressure was too high. We’ll be going back again next weekend so I’ll start playing around with tyre pressures now. 👍
Can you say why your left thumb is gripping but your right thumb is not? Have you ever noticed that?
A friend of mine has the fastest Golf 2 16v Turbo in the world JHB Performance. For me it seems like you have not the best wheel combination für the 1/4 Mile. Maybe you can check the setup at the fastest 4 wheel gasoline cars. Greetings from Germany.
I think you need some bigger tyres.
u need proper drag tyres
Yep 👍
Not sure the EMPI Inch Pincher livery is appropriate, being an EV though
Power pincher 😆😉👍
I it’s interesting 😊
Haven't seen anyone checking tire pressure. They seem to a be a little on the hard side. Just saying 😊
That about sums it up...yer not going that far...
Been watching gasser "muscle cars" race for 50 years, boring now....
Lacks the excitement of fuel driven cars.
how to destroy a car
fossil fuel mafia - represent?
What do you mean?
It looks like only the floor is from a car if even, the rest is tube frame and class fiber on top.
Only really about 10% of this car is actually from a car to begin with and I refuse to believe that the rest 90% of the car was not used to save other cars, if the parts was usable of course.