Although Jack Dempsey did appear on What's My Line in 1951, the actual airdate of this episode was July 11, 1965. Jack Dempsey's 70th birthday was June 24, 1965.
Wait a minute, but the panelists ID-Ed him from the fact he just had a birthday-which means he had a big birthday in 1951? That would have been his 56th-doesn’t make any sense! This has to be a 1965 episode...
Look at how clear and lucid Jack is at 70, for having been an old-school pugilist...a man who made his beginnings clearing bars in wildcat mining towns. Defensively sound, but a brawler at heart. An absolute monster.
Best defense is a world-class offense! But some bear it better than others; I think Dempsey had that sneaky kind of defense high- pressure fighters sometimes have, where they get hit a lot, but almost never cleanly. Duran, early Tyson, Armstrong, Golovkin....
@@MrBendylaw Jack's 25 1st Round knockouts definitely back up what you're saying lol. I've read his book - Championship Fighting (which came out about 10 years before this clip I think) and he outlines his fighting style to try to teach it to the reader - even his defense was constructed around maximum aggression to capitalize on any possible offensive opportunity. Some of the techniques and things he breaks down in the book are just incredible - it's hard to believe it was written almost 70 years ago he was so ahead of his time. I have no doubts that he was a fighting genius.
What I don't understand is that Dempsey learned to box as a travelling hobo and he had hundreds of fights before turning pro, yet he was in shape like this as an old man.
It appears there are a few versions of that story. www.boxingmonthly.com/stories/criminal-stupidity-the-day-two-muggers-tried-to-rob-jack-dempsey/
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Asterisk needs to be by his name. As he refused to fight the worthy black challengers of the day. Wills to name but one. I also believe Jack Johnson would of well beaten him at this point as he was still a force.
dinnynosher was there a reason why he refused to fight them? I find it weird that him and Johnson never fought (though Johnson had 17 years on Dempsey), was he a racist?
It's like a tonic to hear these alledged thug's talk so articulately and thoughtfully. Dempsey, Marciano and even Sonny Liston always came across as clean cut gentlemen in interviews.
Yet when he demolished Willard in the ring he weighed in at 187. Not much bigger than Marciano’s fighting weight. Now if those two brawlers had been able to meet in their prime....!
mike L Liston was being threatened by the nation of islam, he had a wife a kid to protect. Plus Ali was so damn good, he just said fuck it and quit. Well, my opinion anyway.
Dampsey was fearsome only in the ring anywhere,but gentleman in true sense.infact Angel.His wife used to make fun of his voice with his male friends,.yet he loved his wife deeply.but deceitful wife again wounded him with devorce putting false aligations which were true for herself.Yet this angel went on defending his dishonest wife by saying"she was truly a nice lady.somebody made her mind against him."shame on her .His honesty comes up when we come to know that he was charged for three lakh dollars in his dishonest wife's favour.yet he was appriciating her.Such person may not be of this planet.I m more crazy for Jack Dampsey than Mike Tyson.
This was probably aired on June 27 1965. Jack Dempsey had just turned 70, which happened on Thursday June 24 1965, and What's My Line? was always broadcast on Sundays. Bennett Cerf asked him about his opinion of the recent Ali-Liston fight. This must have been their second bout of May 25 1965. And since Dorothy Killgallen died on November 8 1965, this episode must have been recorded in 1965, and the date could not have been April 1.
+billy giles That's right. This show was shown sometime in mid-1965, when Jack had just turned 70. As well, that Clay-Liston fiasco they spoke about had occurred on May 25, 1965.
And the shows host also said at the end that Dempsey received a congratulatory letter from president Johnson which we all know happened after JFK's assassination in 1962, so definitely mid 60's
Clay choose to model him after the wrong black champion. Or maybe not. The IRS came after Joe Louis for money that joe seems never to have earned. If you are too nice, lots can happen to you.
Outside the ring, Jack really is an icon. He’s on everything. Such a legend. Here’s my trip to the Dempsey Museum th-cam.com/video/_29i5ttroIQ/w-d-xo.html
Much to my amazement Jack Dempsey and Babe Ruth were the very same age. Both born in 1895. One a famous baseball player and the other a famous boxer. Go figure?
The date on the title is approximately 13 years off. It says 1951, but Clay didn't beat Liston until 1964 and they mention that fight in this episode. 🤔
date is wrong. they reference the "phantom punch" debacle from the Ali vs. Liston fight which occurred on May 25 1965. Also refeerenced was LBJ as president
Jack Dempsey was a brutal fighter but, going by this clip and others I’ve seen, he was a gentleman as well. Listen, for example, how he speaks about his opponents, in particular Gene Tunney. The same, as far as I know, was true of Rocky Marciano. Why have we now descended into this shitfest of gobby fighters like Connor McGregor?
This did not air in 1951. One guest asks Jack Dempsey about the recent bout Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston …. That fight took place in 1964. So this was filmed after.
No, as much as it gags me to say it, neither Clay-Liston fight was fixed. The truth is, when Liston fought Clay, The Draft Dodge-to-ber was about as close to being unbeatable as a human boxer could be. Liston COULDN'T have beaten Clay at that point in Big Mouth's career. But at his best, Dempsey is the one guy who had the various tools to have done every patriotic American a favor and done the job. Or at the least, give Clay a nightmare of a fight.
You say that Clay was "about as close to being unbeatable as a human boxer could be. " FALSE -- he was certainly beatable, as demonstrated by Doug Jones, George Chuvalo, and Ernie Terrell, all of whom went the distance with him in fights that were pretty even. Chuvalo is the one who stormed the ring right after the 2nd Clay-Liston fight yelling "Fix!!! Fix!!!," and if you compare that fight with the Ali-Chuvalo fight, it's hard to disagree with him.
how many people know that sonny liston was around 49 years old at the liston clay 2 fight. liston was scared that the nation of islam people had said they would kill clay because he agreed with malcolm x and had called elijah muhammed to account for having sex with the entry female congregation, over have had babies by him. liston was afraid they would shoot at clay, miss, and hit him. he just wanted out of there. i heard liston speak of this before. yopu can tell he is old, look at how much older he looks then clay. he was also hooked on many drug, he took for mental illness he suffered from. liston may have been the greatest ever, if he would have become champion when he was younger instead of all the wasted years in prison.
James Hull, a lot of what you said is true -- I don't know if he was 49 years old, but he was most likely older than he claimed to be. He was also owned by the Mob, and he had to give up most of his prize money to "Mob Tax." That led some people to think that he threw the fight to win bets he placed against himself, because he could make more money betting against himself than by winning.
everything i said was true because it came out of listons mouth. it is not something i thought up. so unless liston told a lie then it is the absolute true.
That's not 1951, Ali/Clay would be 9 years old. Dempsey would be 56. Yes Dempsey was a legend, but Harry Greb çhased him for years. He had to settle for beating Dempsey's conqueror Gene Tunney.
Dempsey battered Greb in ‘sparring’ many times. Dempsey fought to survive growing up. If you think for a fucking second he was hesitant about Greb, you’re out of your fucking mind.
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I’m 25 and I’m getting teary eyed watch this it’s such a great thing that I get to hear his voice. That man is my hero
It dosen't get any better than Jack Dempsey. One of the greatest advocates for sports who ever lived. RIP pal.
Although Jack Dempsey did appear on What's My Line in 1951, the actual airdate of this episode was July 11, 1965. Jack Dempsey's 70th birthday was June 24, 1965.
He was born in 1895 so that makes sense.
Wait a minute, but the panelists ID-Ed him from the fact he just had a birthday-which means he had a big birthday in 1951? That would have been his 56th-doesn’t make any sense! This has to be a 1965 episode...
@@kineahora8736 without a doubt, they were afterall discussing liston and clay/Ali 2
@@tugginalong Also, they're talking about a fight that happened in the 1960s. 1951 date is incorrect.
Right…I was like how could he have been 70 in 1951?
A man of tremendous class. Perhaps the greatest champion in sports history.
Look at how clear and lucid Jack is at 70, for having been an old-school pugilist...a man who made his beginnings clearing bars in wildcat mining towns. Defensively sound, but a brawler at heart. An absolute monster.
Best defense is a world-class offense! But some bear it better than others; I think Dempsey had that sneaky kind of defense high- pressure fighters sometimes have, where they get hit a lot, but almost never cleanly. Duran, early Tyson, Armstrong, Golovkin....
@@MrBendylaw Jack's 25 1st Round knockouts definitely back up what you're saying lol. I've read his book - Championship Fighting (which came out about 10 years before this clip I think) and he outlines his fighting style to try to teach it to the reader - even his defense was constructed around maximum aggression to capitalize on any possible offensive opportunity. Some of the techniques and things he breaks down in the book are just incredible - it's hard to believe it was written almost 70 years ago he was so ahead of his time. I have no doubts that he was a fighting genius.
What I don't understand is that Dempsey learned to box as a travelling hobo and he had hundreds of fights before turning pro, yet he was in shape like this as an old man.
Lucid and spry! He jumped out of the chair and moved off the stage easily like a 25 year old.
The "real" Greatest!
He deserves respect because he treated and spoke of everyone with respect especially those he fought, but everyone really. A true gentleman
Some young guys tried to mug Dempsey around this time, as he came out of his bar/restaurant, and he laid them all out. He was truly the real McCoy.
I love the story about Dempsey dealing with the muggers. Boy, did they choose the wrong victim.
It appears there are a few versions of that story.
www.boxingmonthly.com/stories/criminal-stupidity-the-day-two-muggers-tried-to-rob-jack-dempsey/
Asterisk needs to be by his name. As he refused to fight the worthy black challengers of the day. Wills to name but one. I also believe Jack Johnson would of well beaten him at this point as he was still a force.
dinnynosher was there a reason why he refused to fight them? I find it weird that him and Johnson never fought (though Johnson had 17 years on Dempsey), was he a racist?
Keith Johnson what I read is he knew black fighters were better. From what I understand he wasn’t racist, he knew he might lose.
The second Clay-Liston fight, referenced here, took place during May 1965, long after 1951.
And also when it refers to lyndon johnson who was pre-president from 63 to 69.
I'm happy to stand corrected, but I'm confident this was filmed in 1965.
Arlene Francis is referring to the infamous “slow count” during the second Tunney fight. She was a very quick witted lady(as we used to call women).
0:19, wow his sign is beautiful.
Cancer signs are elegant people.
That's because people back in the day were taught to write cursively, not just print. That's why "Signatures" these days all resemble a scribble.
It's like a tonic to hear these alledged thug's talk so articulately and thoughtfully. Dempsey, Marciano and even Sonny Liston always came across as clean cut gentlemen in interviews.
How wonderful ! great respect all round ! Savage fighter ! yet a real gent ! how the world has changed !!!
Growing up in the 50's, as children, we use to talk, read and see film about Jack Dempsey. He was such a giant of a figure in our lives.
Yet when he demolished Willard in the ring he weighed in at 187. Not much bigger than Marciano’s fighting weight. Now if those two brawlers had been able to meet in their prime....!
The Manassa Mauler, The Man, Jack Dempsey!!!!! Would Have Loved To See Jack Dempsey Go Up Against!!!!!:-) Dream Match In Heaven!!!!
Whenever I sit for my meal,I recall Dampsey,how he struggled for his one time meal.And food becomes very very dilicious,.salute from India. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Jack Tells it Like it is!
Born: 6/25/1895; THIS show: 7/11/1965, 2ND time he was on. You listed the 1ST time.
He's in great shape for 70 , wonderful boxer
In his prime...he was a beast!!!
He's my favorite heavyweight of all time. He completely cleaned out the heavyweight division before he won the world title.
He was always a beast
Jack Dempsey was one handsone guy in his fighting days. He must have really been popular with the women.
Indeed he was; one of the biggest celebrities of the Roaring 20s....
Yes he had several girlfriends that were prostitutes
Jack was born in 1895. If he’d just had his 70th birthday, this must’ve been shot in 1965.
Pure class
Dempsey was correct about the Liston/Ali match. It wasn't much and was fixed!
mike L Liston was being threatened by the nation of islam, he had a wife a kid to protect. Plus Ali was so damn good, he just said fuck it and quit. Well, my opinion anyway.
@@jnestor481 hmm, never considered this... Considering Farrakhan and Nation of Criminals murdered Malcom X...
Dempsey is my favorite!!
What a class act
Jack irish legend
Dampsey was fearsome only in the ring anywhere,but gentleman in true sense.infact Angel.His wife used to make fun of his voice with his male friends,.yet he loved his wife deeply.but deceitful wife again wounded him with devorce putting false aligations which were true for herself.Yet this angel went on defending his dishonest wife by saying"she was truly a nice lady.somebody made her mind against him."shame on her .His honesty comes up when we come to know that he was charged for three lakh dollars in his dishonest wife's favour.yet he was appriciating her.Such person may not be of this planet.I m more crazy for Jack Dampsey than Mike Tyson.
Jack would fight anyone anywhere anytime for any reason. Slayed giants
This was probably aired on June 27 1965. Jack Dempsey had just turned 70, which happened on Thursday June 24 1965, and What's My Line? was always broadcast on Sundays. Bennett Cerf asked him about his opinion of the recent Ali-Liston fight. This must have been their second bout of May 25 1965. And since Dorothy Killgallen died on November 8 1965, this episode must have been recorded in 1965, and the date could not have been April 1.
That was some sharp comic timing from Alrene Francis with that quip about the long count.
Clay -Liston was 1965 not 1951
Issac Rosenbaum Ali-liston*
@@hueyfreeman1983 He wasn't known as Ali at that point , he was still known as Clay
@@facfortiaetpatere4287 he changed his name after the first Liston fight
Correct. At least the 2nd Clay-Liston fight was in 1965.
Issac Rosenbaum jack died in 1983 at 87 yrs old he’s 70 here , so this is 1966
Jack Dempsey wasn't 70 in 1951 so this is wrong
+billy giles 1965
+billy giles That's right. This show was shown sometime in mid-1965, when Jack had just turned 70. As well, that Clay-Liston fiasco they spoke about had occurred on May 25, 1965.
This.is.correct... thanks & cheers!
And the shows host also said at the end that Dempsey received a congratulatory letter from president Johnson which we all know happened after JFK's assassination in 1962, so definitely mid 60's
november 1963 . Kennedy was gunned down in '63.
Dempsey cleaned out two muggers in n.y.c when he was an old man...... what a mean, vicious, and cunning fighter. Fought his whole life.
What a man, what a life.
That was the fastest one yet!
Wish Ali showed a tenth of the class toward Frazier that Jack showed toward Gene Tunney.
Jack "Nope" Dempsey
THE GREAT JACK DEMPSEY...HE WAS SOME GUY...I WOULD`T HAVE GONE UP AGAINST JACK EVEN IF HE WAS 80...
Todays trash talking boxers just cat hold a candle to the old time greats !
Clay choose to model him after the wrong black champion. Or maybe not. The IRS came after Joe Louis for money that joe seems never to have earned. If you are too nice, lots can happen to you.
Really surprising he wasn't shambling around at 70. Great genetics.
A real superman, and he moved real fast at the end for 70
Easy to believe he could have handled those punks with dispatch.
Outside the ring, Jack really is an icon. He’s on everything. Such a legend. Here’s my trip to the Dempsey Museum th-cam.com/video/_29i5ttroIQ/w-d-xo.html
1951 and he was 70? Hard to believe he would make it all the way to 1983.
Arlene Francis is a doll! OMG.
Much to my amazement Jack Dempsey and Babe Ruth were the very same age. Both born in 1895. One a famous baseball player and the other a famous boxer. Go figure?
The date on the title is approximately 13 years off. It says 1951, but Clay didn't beat Liston until 1964 and they mention that fight in this episode. 🤔
What a class act!
They spoke about bad boxing was when Ali and Liston fought. Can u imagine what jack would be thinking of todays boxing environment
This is 1965 not 1951, Jack was born 1895 and he just turned 70 here, but a wonderful moment with the man none the less.
This was not 1951. They referred to the ‘recent fight between Cassius clay and Sonny Liston’. That fight took place in 1964.
They got that one quickly
Wrong date this was either end of June or July 1965 as Jack would’ve been 70 on 24th June 1965
I think this was more like 1961 but probably 1966 because he was 70 years old and passed away in 1983 at the age of 87.
date is wrong. they reference the "phantom punch" debacle from the Ali vs. Liston fight which occurred on May 25 1965. Also refeerenced was LBJ as president
He was born in 1895. They said he was 70, so the show is from circa 1965, not 1951.
This show was filmed in 1965 not in 1951. Do the math. Jack Dempsey was born in 1895 and they stated he just celebrated his seventieth birthday.
This is from May 1965...not 1951.
The Clay-Liston fight was in Feb.of '64.This show was not from 1951.
1965 to be exact/ Dempsey was born 1895.
The date of 1951 is wrong considering they are talking about an Ali-Liston fight.
*This would be just after his birthday in 1965*
Maybe the best white heavyweight of last century.
Greatest of all colors! Wasn't a draft dodger!
@@drivingmylifeaway7149 bullshit.
@@sujitsharma4346He’s right, ya know
@@Lucille69caddy You know he isn't. Rocky fought old men and bums
@@sujitsharma4346 Where did I mention Rocky? And I’m not going to answer the second part of your dumbass statement.
The date here is wrong. The conversation suggests this is sometime in 1965, not 1951.
Wrong date. Nowhere near 1951. Try 1965.
1951???? They mention the Clay(Ali)/ Liston fight, the second one!!! That was in 1965!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jack Dempsey was a brutal fighter but, going by this clip and others I’ve seen, he was a gentleman as well. Listen, for example, how he speaks about his opponents, in particular Gene Tunney. The same, as far as I know, was true of Rocky Marciano. Why have we now descended into this shitfest of gobby fighters like Connor McGregor?
Its a different world
Back then they were real men.
wrong date . it was recorded Jul 11, 1965
That was in 1965, Dempsey had 70 he was born in 1895.
Love this white guy curly hair
Lots of Celts have curley hair.
that's not 1951
He spoke about Sony Liston vs. Cassius Clay !
Nowhere near 1951 !
More like 1964/65
THE DATE'S WRONG HERE, can't be 1951, has to be 1965
The date you give for this episode, 1951 is wrong. It's 1964.
That cant be 1951 just because they ask Dempsey about Ali and Liston fight and that happened in 1964 .
This is from 1965
Dempsey was 70 in 65.
Go Up Against, The Brockton, The Rock From Brockton, Rocky Marciano!!!!!
70th birthday? He was born June 24th 1895 and the date on this is 1951??
This show must have been around 1964, they´re talking about Clay-Liston fight.....how can you make such mistakes?...get serious.
Wasn't April 1st 1951.
obviously this was not 1951 rather 1964 or 65.
This would be 1964 not 1951. Cassius Clay fought Sonny Liston in that year. Cassius Clay changed to Muhammad Ali.
This did not air in 1951. One guest asks Jack Dempsey about the recent bout Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston ….
That fight took place in 1964. So this was filmed after.
must be 1965 second clay verus liston fight ..think jack was born 1895,,,clay verus liston most peopel think it was a fix
it is 1961 and not 1951 as stated yes jaack what a hard man good talker as well
Jack was one of those boxers who are polished by a rough life. Marciano was another.
This is in the 1960s
Why did he attract people that much???
this was 1965, not 1951
Date is wrong.
Not 1951, 1965
70th Birthday?
Dempsey was born in 1895 so he should have only been 56 here if this is 1951....
And LBJ, President Lyndon Johnson, wished him happy birthday.1965!
thanks for clarifying
thanks for clarifying- I was going by the title....
Theirs no way this is 1951
This isn't 1951 This must have been 1965
Not 1951. Impossible.
Not 1951, more like 1964
definitely NOT 1951... AT ALL
Great champion -would have destroyed Clay
No, as much as it gags me to say it, neither Clay-Liston fight was fixed. The truth is, when Liston fought Clay, The Draft Dodge-to-ber was about as close to being unbeatable as a human boxer could be. Liston COULDN'T have beaten Clay at that point in Big Mouth's career. But at his best, Dempsey is the one guy who had the various tools to have done every patriotic American a favor and done the job. Or at the least, give Clay a nightmare of a fight.
Hal Pritzker I hear what you're saying but no ones unbeatable!!
You say that Clay was "about as close to being unbeatable as a human boxer could be. " FALSE -- he was certainly beatable, as demonstrated by Doug Jones, George Chuvalo, and Ernie Terrell, all of whom went the distance with him in fights that were pretty even. Chuvalo is the one who stormed the ring right after the 2nd Clay-Liston fight yelling "Fix!!! Fix!!!," and if you compare that fight with the Ali-Chuvalo fight, it's hard to disagree with him.
how many people know that sonny liston was around 49 years old at the liston clay 2 fight. liston was scared that the nation of islam people had said they would kill clay because he agreed with malcolm x and had called elijah muhammed to account for having sex with the entry female congregation, over have had babies by him. liston was afraid they would shoot at clay, miss, and hit him. he just wanted out of there. i heard liston speak of this before. yopu can tell he is old, look at how much older he looks then clay. he was also hooked on many drug, he took for mental illness he suffered from. liston may have been the greatest ever, if he would have become champion when he was younger instead of all the wasted years in prison.
James Hull, a lot of what you said is true -- I don't know if he was 49 years old, but he was most likely older than he claimed to be. He was also owned by the Mob, and he had to give up most of his prize money to "Mob Tax." That led some people to think that he threw the fight to win bets he placed against himself, because he could make more money betting against himself than by winning.
everything i said was true because it came out of listons mouth. it is not something i thought up. so unless liston told a lie then it is the absolute true.
That's not 1951, Ali/Clay would be 9 years old. Dempsey would be 56. Yes Dempsey was a legend, but Harry Greb çhased him for years. He had to settle for beating Dempsey's conqueror Gene Tunney.
Dempsey battered Greb in ‘sparring’ many times.
Dempsey fought to survive growing up.
If you think for a fucking second he was hesitant about Greb, you’re out of your fucking mind.
@@sonnydortmund1513The opposite of what you say is what many say actually happened. Who really knows the truth?
hahaha 1951 ?? oh yeah and its in 1951 that cassius clay and liston fought
Olivier Simard he's just checking that we watched the whole video😎