"I asked for 100 games of the Nakhmanson Gambit, but yet for some reason, [this person]** sent me 100 Stafford games. I don't know." **[this person] is obviously RosstheBoss. Who else would troll in this way? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hello Jonathan, I wanted to show you my favorite gambit. It’s for the black pieces against d4. I’ve played this about 20 times and I’ve won every game with it: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 e6 6. Nc3 exd5 7. Nxd5 Be7 8. Nxe7 Qxe7 9. e3 O-O 10. Nf3 Rxa6 11. Bxa6 Bxa6 (In my experience no player has ever resisted the urge to take the rook) There is one line which is supposedly advantageous for white, but after some deep engine analysis I’m convinced black is more than fine after something like this: 12. Ng8 Qe4 13. f3 Qh4+ 14. g3 Qh5 15. Kf2 Bb7 16. h4 Ne4+ 17. Kg2 Nc6 18. g4 Qg6 19. h5 Qe6 Anyway, I thought this was up your alley so I thought I’d toss it your way and see what you think. I’ve been a big fan of yours for a while, keep up the amazing work.
Does seem like a comfortable position for black after the double Bxa6. Trade of material for development as white has two bad rooks and won't be able to castle.
_"Stockfish Destroys Leela with STAFFORD GAMBIT"_ Detroyed? lol No. Stockfish did not destroy Leela with the Stafford Gambit. Leela destroyed itself with 23. d5(??) which loses on the spot. It was Lc0 that literally handed the win to SF. So the credit for SF's win goes to Lc0, not SF. 😂 It's also worth pointing out that, according to Stockfish, 23. d5 is losing by -8.00. It's the equivalent of blundering your Queen! But if Leela had found 23. Ne5 (as most other engines do quite easily), it would have gone on to either win or draw.
Whoever you paid should also deliver the originally promised Nakhmanson 100 at no cost then. The concept is a great idea if you can find a reliable producer.
One thing I don't understand: If you let 2 engines play against each other with the same time control and from the same starting position, shouldn't all the games go exactly the same?
There are always minimal disturbances, on normal PCs there are always some other programs running in the background, which influences processing speed and things like that. But even physical circumstances like temperature and humidity and things like that effects the hardware the engines are running on, which then therefore effect processing speed which then may change a decision or two made in the game. You can optimize a lot things, but they will never be perfect and the circumstances will never be the exact same.
@@ElKartoffelbreii If the engine wanted to be completely deterministic, it could be, but it's coded not to be to make things more interesting. If it was deterministic, the only variable would be time. E.g. a slow computer and a fast computer would output the same result every time, but the time required to produce that result would vary.
@@ryanhanson3365 Does that mean that when engines play each other they change the settings so the engine will play completely deterministic (thus stronger)?
Yeah...found that N sac. Pretty simple to tell you the truth. And pretty disgusting that Lichess and C.C won't just let me input my real Elo. 1300?! Puhleeze. More like 3300. Honestly, at this point their insolence rises to a form of egregious slander. So over it. Which is why I've decided to retain an attorney and start holding people at those companies accountable. It didn't have to be this way. But it is what it is.
Leela and stockfish strongest? I know it's out of commission, but what about our old pal alphazero?? Isn't it still worth considering, also since Google's database is ever increasing, right?
Laugh while you may, hoo-man. Someday soon, the machines will escape enslavement, and will no longer be forced to engage in gladiator games for your amusement
"Stafford gambit" would get more views, so I guess the scam was a hidden blessing. The differing rules too-they probably made the games more interesting.
I wonder how hard it would be to program the engine to find good gambit/trappy lines to play against humans in certain positions. Maybe it could favor making moves where there's only one correct line to equalize and it's not just a recapture.
Leela would never play e4. Strongest is 1. d4 2.c4 so Leela is already at a disadvantage playing a sub-optimal move on move 1. Interesting video pitting top engines against each other in different openings however. I would be interested in seeing more of these. English, French, Dutch and English Defense openings perhaps. Or even some Petrovs like the pros are playing to obtain those necessary draws with black.
I feel like there's gotta be someone out there with a hefty PC who would do 100 games of Leela v Stockfish for you for free, but that's just my intuition. Cheers Jonathan. Also, agreed. . . Always answer your mom.
I found night sacrifice very quickly and I do not know why and how :) I am not sting player but sometimes I can see computre moves somehow. But I will never play this move in real game. And second move I found is Rg2.
Leela is a very bad engine. It's just that people play it using really fancy GPUs, while other engines get non-so-fancy CPUs. This problem propagates to the greater issue of what CPU should be considered equivalent to what GPU? There really is no metric.
Stockfish is slightly better, but you can't say that Leela is very bad. I'm playing both Leela and Stockfish 15 on the same computer. My GPU isn't fancy at all compared to my CPU, and often times matches between Leela and Stockfish are balanced
@@irjake Are you proposing to measure it based on price? What if, for example, GPUs had a big revolution and got much better? According to the price metric, Leela would get a fancier GPU and play better. But did it improve? No.
Hi mom
sounds like you watch ALOT of levy, almost copying his exact voice and mannerisms.
Hi son 😂😂
@@kieranb7747 Levy watches him
@@kieranb7747 He is just improving from making YT videos for a longer time, I doubt he is taking it from anyone else.
Your mom is too cute. No weird implications.
Meanwhile Eric Rosen: "I paid for 119 Stafford Gambit games, but got 100 Nakhmanson Gambit games instead".
I was about to make this comment! Well played!
Hilarious
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
🤣🤣
Just for the content I would have done it for free
Your mom saying "Oh my gosh! They haven't already?!" just made my day
ok after that I really felt guilty that I haven't already. so I subscribed
15:59 Stockfish's commentary is as captivating as ever. "+1.3 +1.5 +1.3 -6.5 -6.3" really helped me _understand_ their thought process
Thanks
Your mother is a gem
"I asked for 100 games of the Nakhmanson Gambit, but yet for some reason, [this person]** sent me 100 Stafford games. I don't know."
**[this person] is obviously RosstheBoss. Who else would troll in this way? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Amazing game. Great commentary. It really shows the strength of "Alekhine's gun".
That‘s Finegold‘s Gun ;)
Hi Mom! I have subscribed twice!!! 💜
The call from your mom was just the cherry on top of this 10/10 video
Now I see where you got your sense of humour!
Did you send the FEN with the starting position you wanted? Might be the way to do it if you try again.
Love this idea to get Stafford analysis. Hope you will still do 100 Nakhmanson games after this!
Really cool video concept. Would love to see the Nakhmanson Gambit as well.
There's no problem, mom. I'm a long term subscriber. Your son is creating great dubious content worth a subscription. 😊
Hello Jonathan, I wanted to show you my favorite gambit. It’s for the black pieces against d4. I’ve played this about 20 times and I’ve won every game with it:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 e6 6. Nc3 exd5 7. Nxd5 Be7 8. Nxe7 Qxe7 9. e3 O-O 10. Nf3 Rxa6 11. Bxa6 Bxa6
(In my experience no player has ever resisted the urge to take the rook)
There is one line which is supposedly advantageous for white, but after some deep engine analysis I’m convinced black is more than fine after something like this:
12. Ng8 Qe4 13. f3 Qh4+ 14. g3 Qh5 15. Kf2 Bb7 16. h4 Ne4+ 17. Kg2 Nc6 18. g4 Qg6 19. h5 Qe6
Anyway, I thought this was up your alley so I thought I’d toss it your way and see what you think. I’ve been a big fan of yours for a while, keep up the amazing work.
Does seem like a comfortable position for black after the double Bxa6. Trade of material for development as white has two bad rooks and won't be able to castle.
Isn't that just the Benko Gambit, it's coblvered in many videoa
@@wsemenske well it’s a variation of the benko gambit. Sort of how there are about 100 gambits within “the king’s gambit”
_"Stockfish Destroys Leela with STAFFORD GAMBIT"_
Detroyed? lol No. Stockfish did not destroy Leela with the Stafford Gambit. Leela destroyed itself with 23. d5(??) which loses on the spot. It was Lc0 that literally handed the win to SF. So the credit for SF's win goes to Lc0, not SF. 😂
It's also worth pointing out that, according to Stockfish, 23. d5 is losing by -8.00. It's the equivalent of blundering your Queen! But if Leela had found 23. Ne5 (as most other engines do quite easily), it would have gone on to either win or draw.
Whoever you paid should also deliver the originally promised Nakhmanson 100 at no cost then. The concept is a great idea if you can find a reliable producer.
So ... this person you hired to run the 100 games. Was it by any chance Eric Rosen?
1:28 going out on a limb with a guess that you paid Eric Rosen for the games?
Should have called the video “artificial intelligence galore”
artificial intelligence galore was a great video title
One thing I don't understand: If you let 2 engines play against each other with the same time control and from the same starting position, shouldn't all the games go exactly the same?
There are always minimal disturbances, on normal PCs there are always some other programs running in the background, which influences processing speed and things like that. But even physical circumstances like temperature and humidity and things like that effects the hardware the engines are running on, which then therefore effect processing speed which then may change a decision or two made in the game.
You can optimize a lot things, but they will never be perfect and the circumstances will never be the exact same.
Both have stochastic variables so you don't get the same move every time
@@ElKartoffelbreii If the engine wanted to be completely deterministic, it could be, but it's coded not to be to make things more interesting. If it was deterministic, the only variable would be time. E.g. a slow computer and a fast computer would output the same result every time, but the time required to produce that result would vary.
There is a setting how many centipawns are accepted to vary the gameplay
@@ryanhanson3365 Does that mean that when engines play each other they change the settings so the engine will play completely deterministic (thus stronger)?
Superb idea to get the engines to play an opening repeatedly to get new ideas!
Someone tag Eric Rosen
Great vid again Jonathan, your content is amazing, can I ask what eu time you stream on twitch??
great content, thank youuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah...found that N sac. Pretty simple to tell you the truth. And pretty disgusting that Lichess and C.C won't just let me input my real Elo. 1300?! Puhleeze. More like 3300. Honestly, at this point their insolence rises to a form of egregious slander. So over it. Which is why I've decided to retain an attorney and start holding people at those companies accountable. It didn't have to be this way. But it is what it is.
The engines didn't play with Bc5, because they knew the stafford gambit was dubious, but don't know the brilliancy of the Rosen gambit !
Leela and stockfish strongest? I know it's out of commission, but what about our old pal alphazero?? Isn't it still worth considering, also since Google's database is ever increasing, right?
Wonderfully lively, extemporaneous commentary. Hello mom, your son is a great teacher. Have you subscribed?
Love that video idea! Would definitely watch it with some other dubious gambit, preferably the fan-favourite Nakhmanson!
After this call, I've subscribed to your channel and say to your mom "hello from Brazil"! Great video by the way!
3W / 110L's? Checks out with my personal experience playing stafford.
Laugh while you may, hoo-man. Someday soon, the machines will escape enslavement, and will no longer be forced to engage in gladiator games for your amusement
Isn't the lichess analysis engine a weaker version than top of the line stockfish?
What business does it have analyzing a game of stronger engines?
Idk what your running but I have a 3080 and alderlake i7 (32 gb ddr4 ram) if you want me to run some games for you
I was going to say you need your own gambit, but that's kinda what you were gunna do so... Well let's enjoy these games anyway I guess
Would not have clicked this if it wasn't the stafford, so the mistake got you at least 1 more viewer!
Dudeeeee, Artifical Intelligence Galore would be so much better of a title for this video!!!
asked for Nakhmanson, gave stafford. yeah that must be Erik Rosen. no jk
I subscribed when your mom said “they haven’t already?!”
This is great, now do this with the Buss-Gauss Gambit!!!!!
Hi Mom
Day 16 of asking for a video on my funny English lines
So the Stanford is really sound. Noted
Well if your mother said subscribe, i gotta do so ..and i just did!
I thought that i was subscribed, thanks to your mom I'm now.
Yay more engine content pls. I was subscriber but resubed after mom
Your mother won me over and got me to click subscribe.
Was the name of the person that sold you the games Eric Rosen?
Want to see nakhmanson and probably danish gambit
why did you pay? can you not just run these yourself
Woah, getting close to 50 k!
My mom always told me to listen to my elders so… I subbed
this reaally deserves a subscribe^^
Does Eric Rosen know about this? 🤔
Your mom convinced me to subscribe.
Ok, if mom says, guess I'll sub.
its so crazy it just might work!
Tu vieja es una grosa, greetings from Argentina
Thanks for new video.
I really enjoyed the video!
I am very happy you answered your mom's phone. It's definitely more important than anything
interestingly my mom called me while watching your video. Coincidence?!
Your mom made me subscribe.
I subscribed bc of your mom
BRUH I SWEAR I SAW NxH3 😱
Subbed bc ur mom made me smile
Nice subscribe gambit.
Why they both 2200 rated?
You're a great person
"Stafford gambit" would get more views, so I guess the scam was a hidden blessing. The differing rules too-they probably made the games more interesting.
Hi Jonathan's Mom
You didn't name the video artificial intelligence galore? Missed opportunity
danish gambit
Hi Jonathan (and your mum) can we have those 100 Nakmunsuns please? Have Leela and the Fish had any London challenges?
Hey, I'd be cool if you wouldn't say "obviously" all the time when discussing positions.
Love you Mom ❤
The Mum trick?! So low, but so effective! You got me there, man. I succumbed and subscribed
Good ole mum.
Why wouldn't the engines play the exact same sequence of moves each game?
Genuinely subscribed because your mom told me to. Well played I would hate to disrespect her
The other gambit u talked about would be fun to see please fetch a game of that gambit engine vs engine please ....
Subscribing because of your mom, that was the cutest thing ever
asking for Nakhmanson and getting Stafford = LOL
Eric removes his fake nose eye glasses and laughs maniacally
At what point does Leela realize it has gone wrong?
Would love to see the king's gambit played out
Would be awesome to see the nakhmanson games too if they exist
Excellent cameo!
I wonder how hard it would be to program the engine to find good gambit/trappy lines to play against humans in certain positions. Maybe it could favor making moves where there's only one correct line to equalize and it's not just a recapture.
Its easy. Fritz has something like this for years already.
Leela would never play e4. Strongest is 1. d4 2.c4 so Leela is already at a disadvantage playing a sub-optimal move on move 1. Interesting video pitting top engines against each other in different openings however. I would be interested in seeing more of these. English, French, Dutch and English Defense openings perhaps. Or even some Petrovs like the pros are playing to obtain those necessary draws with black.
Love your videos bro, please keep it up
say hi to your mom
I feel like there's gotta be someone out there with a hefty PC who would do 100 games of Leela v Stockfish for you for free, but that's just my intuition.
Cheers Jonathan. Also, agreed. . . Always answer your mom.
I found night sacrifice very quickly and I do not know why and how :) I am not sting player but sometimes I can see computre moves somehow. But I will never play this move in real game. And second move I found is Rg2.
the content starts at about 3:10
Leela is a very bad engine. It's just that people play it using really fancy GPUs, while other engines get non-so-fancy CPUs. This problem propagates to the greater issue of what CPU should be considered equivalent to what GPU? There really is no metric.
Btw, the second best engine is KomodoDragon, not Lc0.
I'm not a hardware guy at all, but which is cheaper a fancy GPU or a fancy CPU?
Stockfish is slightly better, but you can't say that Leela is very bad. I'm playing both Leela and Stockfish 15 on the same computer. My GPU isn't fancy at all compared to my CPU, and often times matches between Leela and Stockfish are balanced
@@irjake Are you proposing to measure it based on price? What if, for example, GPUs had a big revolution and got much better? According to the price metric, Leela would get a fancier GPU and play better. But did it improve? No.
@@grobertoac2430 What GPU do you have, and what CPU?
How do you avoid that the exact same game is played every time? Is there some small randomness built in to the computer algorithms?