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- How did you do video editing in the 1990's?
With an $80k Panasonic WJ-MX1200 NLE video editing box, that's how. Dave takes a look inside.
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All that shielding was important because the digital video was sampled at 13.5 Mhz (for both NTSC and PAL) and the ninth harmonic is 121.5 which is the civilian aircraft emergency frequency. I worked at a combined TV station/ network news bureau in Washington DC and one day we got a call from the FAA that our building was emitting signals on 121.5 Mhz and we had to reduce them. I put my Tek spectrum analyzer on a cart and rolled it around the building. Sure enough , whenever I was near a Panasonic AU-650 VTR (M2 format) with the cover off I saw an increase in that frequency. Most had the tops loose to make it easier to clean the tape heads. We had over 100 VTRs so it added up. We kept the tops screwed down after that and never had another complaint.
Some of the bodges may have been added after the product was sold. Customer support was excellent and we received regular tech bulletins on our Panasonic Broadcast products. Sometimes they would come to our facility to install mods. I must have burned a thousand UV E-PROMS because software updates were common. We still use Panasonic memory card camcorders. List price is $24,000 without lens. Broadcast quality equipment is very expensive.
CG stands for "character generator". It was for titling over video, and was possibly an option. That kind of CG had much higher quality than PC graphics of the day could provide.
That's very interesting, I'd have never thought the harmonics could cause problems, except with big broadcast transmitters designed to put out RF. Companies actually sending people out to mod electronics if they have issues is just plain cool. Bet it wasn't cheap for them to do either. You don't see that kind of attention to detail from many places anymore, except in certain markets. Didn't know CG used to have a slightly different meaning.
Honestly, the whole harmonics thing you mentioned makes me wonder if I'm causing anyone trouble. I do a lot of electronics experimentation and I have yet to ever shield a circuit, no metal housings (too expensive). I generally use astable multivibrators and opamps feedback loops to generate signals, and lots of the digital and analog circuitry I make runs between 8 and 30MHz. I don't have a spectrum analyzer, but I do have a RTL2832 USB SDR, which is very sensitive. Think I should go and sweep a decent sized antenna around my projects and check for emissions?
If you're only using a couple of your projects at a time, I wouldn't worry about interference. We had a hundred units and they each had several big boards which ran at 13.5 Mhz (or 27Mhz)
Chris W
Ah, ok. Makes sense, it was a matter of how many, not just one or two in your case then. Guess I'l just make sure not to run too many at a time then. And if I ever run a larger or more complex setup then I'l prepare to do a bit of testing. Can't hurt to be cautious if I make something larger. Thanks for the info.
I used to work for Waldorf Electronic GmbH, a developer of highend synthesizers, in Waldorf, Germany which is just a small village of like 1500 souls. Our group's office was on first floor of a residential building; the ground floor was occupied by a shoe shop. One day the door bell rang and I went downstairs to open the door. Somebody flashed some sort of ID at me and waiving something that looked like a big pistil-sized toy crossbow in the other hand he ran by me upstairs straight for our ISDN router in my office.
Turned out the Hercules card in that router PC (this was about in '94) which had been assembled from PC part from our trash collection was faulty and had turned into a powerful transmitter jamming the red cross at a distance of 8km (!). Our well stocked collection of random PC bits had anothergraphics card to offer so repair was a 5min job, the Rohde & Schwartz direction-finding crossbow pistol said this was good so we went for the final chapter, having a coffee with the guys. They were pretty happy to have ended in an electronics company so there was not much explaining necessary to do. Apparently occasionally some broken kit at the home of a granny is causing trouble and that's much harder to do.
Another funny story fromthose days was the original board for the Waldorf Microwave which was a very successful rackmount synthesizer. It was using a 68000 microprocessor running at afair 8MHz. Back then products using RF frequencies had to be approved before they could be sold and the microwave failed becase of a sharp spike in its emissions at 2GHz. Which made the product name ironical and since then everybody in the company started giggling when the word microwave was spoken. The board was modified significantly to solve the issue oh and the product name was there first before the microwave incident :)
What's amazing is how the cost of an editing system like this went from $80k to well under $2000 (even with a real time editing board) in the course of only five years or so.
Lon.TV What would've been the 2001 version of this? I'd still guess a studio-quality device would be more than $10.000 by then. It'd certainly be cheaper than the 1996 device because the video resolution for tv was still the same.
It's insane to think how much work went into designing it, how much it cost new and how quickly it became obsolete.
It made its money back many times,. one hour of NLE editing cost a pretty penny back then
Whenever i hear "90's" and "Vintage" in the same sentence i feel terrible inside.
i shudder to know what people think of my still operational Amiga 1200 and 500. kids today would say, did you get out and push that to get it going? "shutup kid and go play with your fragile ipad while i use this nokia as a hammer"
First "modern" computer my family owned had a whopping 8mb of RAM, a screaming fast 100mhz Pentium processor, and ran Windows 95.
The on-motherboard video card had an option to add another 1mb video ram chip in a second socket.
It had an 800MB hard drive, 4x CD-Rom drive, and a 1.44mb 3.5" floppy drive.
It even had PCI slots!
One of them had a 56k modem in it, so it was the first computer we ever got The Internet on (AOL dial-up).
Those were the bad old days.
My current system makes that look like a calculator. Heck my mom's old Galaxy S3 makes it look like a calculator.
It is vintage. It's over 20 years old.
Crimson Sunrise you see I graduated high school in 1993 so if that's vintage that means I'm getting old therefore I feel terrible.
I totally agree! And filling out re-calibration dates on labels than end 2018 or even 2020 - thats not a year to me.
Hi would be great if you made an episode of EEVblog using just this system!
as in editing
ahh watched all the video, it does not work.. shame.. probably a lot of work to trouble shoot this, what an amazing machine!
i would like to see that :D
hope he gets it working sometime :D
wytsfrevsf send it to dexter, he could repair it. Well he got plenty of experience from the quantel stuff, so I assume he could
Them spoilers.. :)
I love the fact that the software is in a literal software package, can't get over that
Id like to see a repair video on it
ohhh that back panel is pornographic
hope it doesn't get your channel flagged :(
why would it?
Watch some more of Dave's videos, and you will understand.
Male and Female connectors of different shapes and sizes.
@@snarkylive lol
please, try to fix it and shuw us the interface (it's probably just dust in the logic board or some corrosion)
Yeah, looks simple enough
can have some damage, but look how dirty and oxidated the machine was when they opened, have a high chance that it was just oxidation in the conectors (since this machine seems to have a lot of boards connected via sockets)
I did use a system similar to this back in the day, with Betacam format tapes. Basically you would use serial control of the tape machine to find the clips you want to put in the "bin". After all the start and end points were logged, you would then batch digitize everything. Then if you had a B cam, you would then go and do the B roll digitizing. Once you had everything in the bins, you could then go ahead and edit in a way very similar to what is being done today. One thing I remember is that space was always short and you often had to go back and trim your bin clips, mid edit, after they were in the timeline in order to squeeze out every second of hard drive space. We also used the WJMX-50 extensively, as did about every production house in those days. We also were lucky enough to have an LDR (Laser Disc Recorder) for show playback. We used all this stuff to do live to screen content for shows like the Aria Awards, Hey Hey It's Saturday, Funniest Home Video Show and many more.
The Bright Pixel ~ I remember when hey hey it's Saturday was on like in the mornings. Gee I feel old now, late 70's , back then we only had two TV channels, GLV10 witch later become GLV8 and ABC4
The CG card with the TMS340 is the Character Generator card, it does the overlay graphics and video character generation.
Other systems like the Immix Video Cube also used TMS340XX chips for CG and graphics. They were the basis of the Truvision Targa and Vista cards that did video in Avid and other systems.
It also probably does the output to video recorder and broadcast as a semi autonomous hard realtime system, something you cannot expect of a Pentium Windows 3 PC with an S3 Trio driving a PC monitor. On your PC monitor, dropped frames are OK, on the tape output they are clearly not. It will also easily do windowed compositing, colour manipulation, overlays, scaling, character generation, basically the bulk of the realtime functionality of the unit, save for 3D which is an optional extra card here.
Boards like that make fantastic pieces of art to hang on the wall.
Yes, those PCBs are work of electronic art!
Excellent video Dave!
The sheer amount of components, shielding etc. alone justifies the price tag. Hot damn!
a moment of silence for all the driver programmer's!
Yes, and the rest of the crew who burnt out their lives on this digital equivalent of the Manhattan Project.
i used one of those in my high (97) school tv production class. Classic
A Video Toaster could do much of that stuff.
Not as well though.
Amiga Rulez !
What? The Video Toaster was first introduced in 1990. The Video Toaster Flyer NLE system came out around 1994.
Wow that was a great teardown! Such complex routing and construction is mind-boggling. It's also amazing to think how far we've come in such a short time, going from dedicated machines like this to a small desktop that can do it all whilst performing research through folding @ home and much more, all at the same time.
respect for the systems engineer...
respect for the PCB designer...
They were likely underpaid "salarymen" who burnt out their lives on this one.
Hats off to the PCB designer(s). What an outstanding design made in early 90's.
My first NLE system I put together for my company in the early 90s cost a bloody fortune.
I was running a 9 gig ultra wide SCSI drive for capture and in full broadcast 480i resolution, as MJPG files would use about 1 gig per minute of recording. Windows 95, which was what we used back then had a file size limit of 2 gigs. So NLE was only good for short clips.
Sure the compression could be increased, and that increased the time limit to about 5 minutes.
I could capture a bunch of short clips, and turn out amazing looking videos, but again limited to 5 minutes for the output file, and then the file had to be offloaded back to tape.
That system, cost me in Canadian dollars.
3,500.00 for the hard drive, 500.00 for the SCSI controller, 2,000.00 for the analog capture card, and another 500 for the video card that featured the standard VGA port for computer , and the video / Svideo / component output. Adobe Premiere 4 was another 1,500.00 and that is just the speciality hardware. Another 3 or 4 grand for a tricked out pentium 2 (slot 1 package) based computer. I probably had 10 grand into the computer, another 6 for a professional editing VTR that could assemble the output, and the kicker, 20,000.00 for a betacam, and that was USED!
And people wondered why I had to charge 3,000.00 to shoot a wedding, and 5 grand to do a corporate video. Equipment cost a bloody fortune, but if you wanted the high end clients, or were shooting video that was intended for broadcast you had to do it.
Nice one Dave! :-) a box from back in the days when I used to build offline video editing suites. That's a small puppy you got there, we used Amiga A4000 machines running Lightwave 3D modelling/rendering software and Multi-CPU parallel processing Raptor Engine hardware to do 'Near-Real Time' 3D solid modelling/rendering, the outpout from the A4000s and Raptor Engine were stitched together using a third dedicated A4000 machine with Newtek Video Toaster cards. A complete offline video edit suite with multi-layer video capabilities (multi-layer genlock and chroma-key) was the size of two four-drawer filing cabinets! cost around £16,500 to build and sold for just over £30,000 (£35,000 with 1 year training and support) Ahhh good memories! and these days we can do all that stuff digitally on a pair of decent laptops for less than 1/10 of the cost & we don't need a big van to move it ! :-)
Gotta love Panasonic kit. I never knew they did these NLE's! I learned something today, cheers Dave!
Love it! Awesome video!
Just little info on the board. 82430FX is the Intel Triton chipset (later known as Triton I after Triton II, III and IV came out). 82371FB is the PIIX PCI to ISA bridge with integrated IDE. As far as motherboard specs, nearly identical to my old Packard bell. Same chipset and video. Rather low end actually. The 82430HX (Triton II) chipset was considered the performance chipset for the time before the SDRAM based VX and TX chipsets with USB came out.
We had one at school. Coming from video tape editing to this marvel was a big step forwards. It almost never crashed and the speed of working with it was great. Price back then (around 2000) was around €25000
Hi Dave, great tear-down as always. Please have a go at fixing it!
Loved this tear down, some real electronics..
sticking my hand up for trident S3!
and the good old AMI keyboard bios!
Dave, you have to make a special episode fixing that unit, and editing the episode on said machine, with all the fancy effects. It has to be done. It has to.
That is just awesome !
Wow! More silicon than the beach! No wonder it cost so much...(that and the low qty) Thanks for the video.
Right below the "Vibra 16" is a even more important chip! The Yamaha OPL(3) YMF262-M ... This is a true Yamaha FM Synthesizer chip ... Somewhere around there should be a YAC-512 too... I love these Chips ... They are reused in "Midibox FM" these days... Classic Sound when you played games in the 90s on a PC.
The board with the TMS340 is labelled "(CG)", short for Character Generator, i.e. that thing is rendering text stuff for title overlays and such effects.
For the mid-90's all-bodge edition, old news helicopters. Their solution was home-baked digital switching and modifying studio equipment to be run by remote cabling run in FAA approved harness. Around a million, base helicopter not included.
PLEASE get this to work. Check the CMOS battery, may be preventing it from POST'ing.
In the mid 90s I was editing video using tape decks (nice ones!) and analog editing with effects generated by an Amiga system that had a bunch of ISA cards. I can't remember much about it. It was great for the day but then nowadays you see a regular VHS quality video and wonder how the hell we watched it.
Amiga and the Video Toaster, that was the mutts nutts, back in tye day
I used to use an Amiga "Video Toaster" to edit, but it wasn't NLE, it was basically digital effects and edit controller for source and record decks. Circa 1995ish...I think!
I'd love a repair video of this! I'm so curious to see how it works!
"None of this modern digital rubbish" he said, while a schematic with clearly labelled DIGITAL VIDEO and AES/EBU AUDIO connections was on-screen!
Nice video, thanks.
I actually used one of these during my 10th grade video production class. In the mid 1990s, if you didn't have a massive budget, the system was absolutely amazing.
Thanks Dave, Superb
Crikey mate, that tech is a real ripper!
Respect for PCB-layout magicians :-)
off topic but, this is the only TH-cam channel I know of that's in 50 frames per second.
Would've liked to see it running. How about blow out every square inch with a compressor and reseat everything, maybe moisture got between connectors because of capillary. I've got a compressor I can lend you.
Awesome tear down, i remember in 1989 buying an IBM Bigfoot HDD its capacity was 5.4 Gig and it cost over 500 bucks but the worst was for an Amiga 500 , i bought half a meg of RAM for 249 Bucks.... and i can see this unit retailling at 80 grand back in the day quite easily.
Yeah, but it was Quantum BigFoot HDD (not IBM) and it was in mid-to-late 90's and not in 1989...
Digikey wants $8 for that LT1084 regulator. Probably the current most expensive part in that thing.
wow!! flashback...i worked with these machines...
Mac I'd love to see this beast working.
Now a system like that has morphed into modern real time video editors, like the Newtek Tricaster. A descended from the Video Toaster from around the same time this system was out.
I was hoping to see the inside of the hard drive accessory box. I was quite interested in this product it was pretty awesome. sad that it doesn't work agree with most people here that it would be awesome to see it and use on a modern day video. great video as always
8:56 Yamaha OPL3 ❤
Could play some good old DOS games with FM music on this beast.
Really interesting video Dave, i recently did a teardown on a Quantel EditBox which is a broadcast quality video editor, there are some similarities though the EditBox was at least double the cost. This kind of product would have been serious competition to the Quantel products in the latter 90s for those not making programs for mainstream broadcast TV.
Please consider getting it running again. It would be cool to get that piece of history documented working one last time.
I nearly spat my coffee over my computer when you said the ceramic fetish, thanks for the laugh.
Wow, it even had a real Yamaha OPL chipset for the Creative Vibra sound!
That's pretty awesome.
Oh, and Dave, 99% sure that the RTC is dead, and that's why it's not booting.
That is a common problem with those Dallas RTC driven computers.
If you find the pinout, you can rig a battery onto it and check. I had the same problem with a P5A board I own and replacing the internal battery with a jury-rigged external button cell made it work like a charm.
Man, I freeking love old tech. AUD$80,000? Jesus, that must be like £20GBP ;P
Naah, to an Aussie that's a locked Apple iPhone or a couple of "second hand" car stereos (with those screwdriver marks on the sides). Old habits...
@KarMC: More like about 40,000GBP at the time. Probably a lot more since the UK got tricked into voting for Brexit.
Oh I am, the EU is doomed. The unelected bureaucrats are becoming increasingly power hungry and eroding more of our sovereignty, other nations will follow. I love the free movement in the EU but it's not worth trading freedom, independence and democratic power for.
@@theantipope4354 they weren't tricked, the vote was rigged.. another corruption case, the majority vote against it. why do you think its taken so long for the UK to exit the EU? , The bargaining agreement is bs excuse. The crooks just don't want to exit the EU.
You missed the second CPU on the mixer board, Motorola MC68340, basically a 68020 microcontoler with DMA, serial & I/O
I was just waiting for you to desolder that can over the trimmers. You got my hopes up a few times, you sounded hesitant as to what could be there. Decided against it and put it all back together :o
There were lots of other standalone NLE systems out there during this time frame... Editdroid, Lightworks, Avid, Quantel Henry, Hal, paintbox, and Editbox, media 100, Amiga video toaster, DPS, Softimage, and many others!
I love the sea of solid caps in there. I know solid capacitors are standard, but I wonder how much each of those cans cost back then.
@7:57 The video card is an S3 Trio not a Trident. But still a classic.
Seeing that chip brought back the entire narrative arc of what it meant to see it in a system. From the early "holy crap this thing is amazing," to "hmmm... should be able to handle it," to "lol, crap," and finally "Whoa I remember that! ... scrap it."
with a MASTER FADER! :)
And yet, how useful is a fader bar on an NLE? Panasonic was big on live video switchers back in the day, so their marketing guys may have insisted on a T-fader control, but doubtful anybody used that much at all. A T-fader is a real-time control, and NLEs are generally not.
Yay! MC68EC020 and MC68882 combo!
the bus on the motherboard itself looks like EISA not ISA. the stand of have a ISA bus tho. that was like a DREAM machine for me in the day's. i remember doing a lot of multi camera recording with editing on the fly during the first take and then recording it as a "recorded live" discussion. and i don't know how many hours i spend broadcasting from town hall. where i might had one helper and 3 to 4 cameras. all live. and then making programs with SONY stuff and umatc tapes.
Interesting spacing of edge connectors on that ISA riser at 8:07. Is the slot on the motherboard actually an EISA slot?
CPU sockets back in the day would accept various brands of CPUs and some were even backwards compatible. For example, a socket 7 would accept a socket 5 CPU and several brands such as AMD, Intel and Cyrix.
I'd love to see a tear-down of a Tektronix OLE LightWorks system... :)
You should dump the ROMs too! It's always super interesting to analyze the ROMs at my own leisure.
The tafe had machines like that except synced up to two video recorders that you marked sections of and recorded them to a master copy
Dave, I'd love to see you tear down a 1980s-vintage "Montage" NLE system. It was even more "analog" than this... comprising a bank of Betamax decks, all tied to a central console. Right up your alley...
"comprising a bank of Betamax decks". By definition, NOT an NLE system. What made NLE NLE was that it didn't have to scan linearly to the right place on the tape - it could random-access the video from hard drives.
Dave, what watch do you wear? It looks really cool!
S3 Trident! My first laptop back in the day had an S3 Trident video chip, 2.5mb video ram if i remember right!
Oh man my OCD is kicking in I want to clean everything in this tear down and blast that rust away too.
I have to do that with the pinball machines I get.
I have most of the old 1971 Sea Ray rust out of it and looking nice now with a Satin Grey. :)
It's made by Bally.
I will also do the same to an old 1958 Club House by Williams. :)
It would be nice for some basic troubleshooting to see if you can get it working/find the fault, but I guess even if you got it working then you would need to learn how to use it to make a good demo video which could take a lot of your time. Maybe you could give it to a blogger that specialises in video equipment to do a restoration and demo video if your too busy or not interested?
The mixer circuitry would be used to mix the analogue video signal from the CG board with the video signal from program video playback.
The board would know where in the frame the CG is located, so the mixer would look at the horizontal and vertical scan lines of the incoming signal and where the CG begins, it would switch in the CG video signal over the program video signal. Or if the graphics is meant to be transparent or fade in over the program video, it would leave the program video signal on and switch the CG video signal on at 50% or whatever level is required to overlay the CG.
Oh wow! I haven't seen one of these in more than a decade. I worked for a TV station back in the early-mid '00s that still used one of these for production editing. (Replaced with a full Avid system soon after I started.) They were quite interesting.
I believe they only ran on Windows 95 and not 3.1. They came out in the mid-90's. Anyway.... Yes they were quite expensive and capable. However, for doing simple editing back then I still preferred to use tape-to-tape linear. For simple editing you couldn't beat the speed of the Sony RM-450, or the A/B roll Sony we had in production. (I can't remember the model number.)
expansion slot scuzzy scsi and expansion video input. seen one at a school years back. they opted two 8gig, went in phase with getting the basics and bought a second one two years later. never had a chance to use it thou. If your turfing I would use it for learning as I would run this for a nostalgic reasons :-)
How goes the 121GW meter? any word on when we'll get the details?
Memories!
I have a Mac Quadra 840av at home
I know you mentioned the taped down paper saying "OLD" next to the motherboard, but was there something under the tape?
what a Bobby dazzler!
dave, did you consider switching to adobe? you're using sony vegas which is pretty nice but after effects + premiere is so much better IMHO. dont get me wrong, vegas is a REALLY good video editing software which I used for a long time but when I got into effects I also installed premiere and the combination of the two is just awesome. also the media encoder is more powerful.
Surely it has some sort of local bus to interface all that stuff. Maybe PCI? Don't know why you need so many SCSI ports, unless they all were small drives and had to be spanned. The TI 340 is probably outputting video out as opposed to the video going to the screen, or for overlay.
show the inside of the drive box...back in those days, pcs were lucky to have 100 mb....what did they have to do for 8gb?
No mention of the bodge SMD resistor and wires at 7:26?
my guess is that you may want a network card in the expansion slot to be used for network storage of videos.
or possibly a scsi expansion card.
I worked in high-end post through to the end of the 90s, and Panasonic had a pretty small presence. We would have been very keen to play with this around 95, but had some fantastic tools from Sony, Quantel, Ampex and a range of really high end gear.
That control panel looks really cheesy prosumer. If you get the chance, dig into the really high end worksurfaces.
Absolutely have to agree the mechanical serviceability of these units was usually near perfect...
If you ever get the chance look for an Ampex technical manual of the early 90s
That bottom audio board looks like it's got some screws in it, so maybe it is screwed to the chassis?
Repair and edit a video on it
yay, awesome !!!
I think the idea behind using the ribbon cable between the PC motherboard and the backplane that does all the work, is so that Panasonic didn't have to bother designing their own motherboard. Which is expensive and tricky, and plenty of other companies have lots of experience doing. So why not just buy one off the shelf?
It also means that they aren't tied to a particular supplier. And that they can upgrade the PC side of it through the years, to take advantage of the rapid advances in PC hardware.
It looks like the PC side and the everything-else side are mostly separate. Like the PC side provides the user interface, and sends commands and data to all the boards on the backplane, which do the actual rendering etc. A lot like a modern PC, where the graphics card is a sophisticated computer in it's own right, and the main PC just keeps it fed with high-level commands and data.
I think that giant cap is the biggest one I've ever seen outside of a bucket of transformer oil, the ones people use to make their own railguns and the like.
greenaum You have not seen many electrolytic capacitors if that is the largest one you have ever seen. :-) You should see some of my test gear that includes the old computer grade electrolytic capacitors (think 100,000uF, or greater) that are large enough that they are physically strapped down to the chassis (not PCB mounted), or even the start and runtime capacitors used on larger single-phase induction motors which can also be quite large (though owning to their operating voltage, rather than capacitance, in that case)
Um, actually, a lot of manufacturers in the 90s painted themselves into corners by using off-the-shelf motherboards as embedded controllers. Problem was that motherboards had a product life cycle of about a year, and the following year's motherboards had a whole different mix of chips, leaving them with having to either do an end-of-life buy for the particular motherboard they bought, or having to go through months of compatibility re-engineering when they went to another supplier. I worked at a company in the mid 90s, whose whole bailiwick was building embedded PCs, and their main selling point was guaranteeing 10-year availability on their products. This was accomplished through careful selection of chips and end-of-life buys, since practically NO chips had lifetimes even close to 10 years.
In this case, though, it's likely that by the time this became a problem, the whole system was obsolete anyway. I started doing NLE on a generic PC in 2001, and by that time the industry had already gone through a lot of evolution as the motherboard CPU could take on more and more of the tasks. In my case, all it took was a Radius card to handle the Firewire input, and another card (don't remember which) to handle NTSC capture where I couldn't use Firewire.
Bobby Dazzler score! Thumbs up
Dave, I believe that JPEG/SCSI unpopulated stuff was done because they wanted to save on the PCB manufacturing costs due to the relatively low volume orders. This way they could order 2x as many of the same PCB for a reduced price and later they could decide what they want to use them for, whether JPEG or SCSI. Just a clue though.
you could do pretty much the same thing with an Amiga4000 and a ToasterVideo card for way less money. Anyway, nice to see this beast! :) thank you!
simply one of the best computer ever built I have ever seen, no wonder it costed 80k
I really want those small cooling fan.
The bug joke never gets old!