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It's time to forgive, move forward together. You cannot blame the people alive today for the sins of their fathers otherwise we will never be in unity and be the best we can be. That is having a victim mentality. Im a poor white South African that have not benefited from anyone before me. There are A LOT of privileged black families and we dont call them black supremacists. Work hard for yourself, make sure you do your best, don't have victim mentality and work together. We are all human, we are the same.
Everyone wants us to forget the 300 years of oppression, everyone tells us to forget slavery. Black people are being told to not act like the victim and just forget what has been done to them for hundreds of years ! Now if you look at the Jews that suffered the holocaust for a period of 6 years, NO ONE is allowed to tell them to just forget and not act like a victim!! Is white suffering worth more? Look at what Israel is allowed to do in Gaza because of their past history !! No one is telling them to move on , so why should we ??
@@bongani_menze Yes sir. I wish we can all do that, just imagine how cool it will be when we all friendly with each other, no bad vibes. Will be amazing.
They both had great takes on this topic. But I side with Pen guys there is something called freedom of speech and association dude can interview anyone he wants. And calling Rob Hersov a white supremacist is wild, just cause he hasn't said "sorry for what my family did". That's silly as black ppl a sorry or reparations won't do anything for us realistically.
our generations can't do anything about the past--it is over and gone with--how long must we say sorry and when will it be enough? we can only look forward to better the future for all
There is a point where it is time to move forward and focus on the future or there will be no future. ## life is seldom fair!!! No where in the world is it fair!!! The country is about to burn and all can be happy with nothing as we starve!!!
The old blame game.You got your freedom from 1994 ...what did your ANC after thirty years achiefed...a failed state go and look what is happening in Haiti. Why are Africans leaving Africa and invading Europe risking their lives on sea. In SA only a few Boere are feeding millions of people and neighburing countries.Africa can achieve nothing whitout the help of White people...by the way i am Russian and my Dad are German the cars you like are manufactured by us.The weapons you use to kill your own black brothers and sisters are manufactured by us.
This lady is still full of hate from the past,,,, she rubbed shoulders with high profile black people,,, she lived prvevelaged black life,, was also high up in Anc and could have attained a better live for poor people,,, she was in charge but still complains,,,, do nt poison Paneul
His is already poisoned against his ppl by the enemy. He thinks they are his friends, but they are just using him, but luckily for him, he is getting paid for being sell out.
@@heinrichgerber6387 Penuel does not even understand that he is being used by Herzov . These people (Herzovs / Manels etc ) are schooled in the art of thinking ahead and using the up and coming black leaders to further their cause and their wealth !! People are more upset at the ANC for 10 years of mismanagement than they are of 300 years of oppression!! They even want to give the country back to their oppressors. We as black people deserve to suffer if we do this !!
Do people know what white supremacy even means? Simply being white and wealthy does not make you a white supremacist😂. Its the equivalent of me putting on a beret and people accusing me of being a communist
But my man rob has eluded in many of his speeches that the black government has failed and has no capability of governing without giving them the benefit of the doubt since black government in South Africa is only 30 years old, despite him being a beneficiary off blood Money from his forefathers he continues to push for change of regime through political party funding.
@bongani_menze I think your problem is that you're too sensitive to criticism. He is right in the fact that the government has failed it's people, but also notice that the only people he has endorsed are non-white. He literally said on penuel that it has to be a black leader to bring south africa from the brink of self destruction. If he was a "white supremacist" he would think black people in general are incapable of leading.
But even white foxes when they talk about crime they don't shy from saying black people are the main cause of crime in this country yet not all of us are criminals. So the main problem with us we love money a lot and guys like Rob they just throw money to small businesses and control them just the way they got full ownership of ANC so Rob is no different and he will never change from being a jew it doesn't happen
@bongani_menze the "black government" has failed it's people, criticizing it is not white supremacy, it's a fact. It's not just a matter of being a new government, you have mismanagement of funds, large scale and blatant corruption. If it's one sector south africa should be doing good in is economically because of its resources but it's the exact opposite. White supremacy means that your belief is that you are better than someone simply because you're white, yet who has rob promoted? PA, actionsa and even gave Zuma a boost saying he didn't steal any money. Now by definition of a white supremacist he should really only be promoting VF+. You the type of person to throw ad hominem attacks at someone simply because they disagree with you without listening to the content of their speech
Pen, you did not do well here, Boet. It seems as if you did not do your homework and research in preparation for this interview. You were not invited to defend Hersov or WMC, but yourself. "Why do you give you your platform to WMC?" That's the question. Forget about Mandela, he is not there to speak for himself. Even his grandson Mr Mandla, I do not believe he will ever be able defend himself. I pray that you go back, do your homework, research and comeback. Constructive criticism, that's what this is all about.
It was not for these people that took the minerals out of the ground you all would be dead from starvation, I wish you would stop blaming apartheid, at least the majority had work, what has happened since the ANC done for the people
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Pen, I salute you for your balanced conversations with your guests.You are part of the group that are serious to rebuild this country and move forward
My lady you are among the most intelligent minds in the globe I salute you
I agree
Wow the level of understanding and knowledge from this beautiful lady
I'm impressed by her level of South African history 🤞
I love this lady,she's telling the truth and nothing but,tell him lady,please tell that poes of a traitor.
Great going Penuel.
nuggets of wisdom
We are tired of invaders and looters of our resources.
Yah those are the really capturers of our country
Podcasts are meant for meaningful engagements and conversations even debates with the point of enlightenment and informational purposes....The fact that we are still talking about who or not to give a platform makes it now censorship with mainstream media tendencies
It's time to forgive, move forward together. You cannot blame the people alive today for the sins of their fathers otherwise we will never be in unity and be the best we can be. That is having a victim mentality. Im a poor white South African that have not benefited from anyone before me. There are A LOT of privileged black families and we dont call them black supremacists. Work hard for yourself, make sure you do your best, don't have victim mentality and work together. We are all human, we are the same.
Even if the people alive today are enjoying the gains of apartheid we should just leave it, and move on 😳⁉️
Everyone wants us to forget the 300 years of oppression, everyone tells us to forget slavery. Black people are being told to not act like the victim and just forget what has been done to them for hundreds of years ! Now if you look at the Jews that suffered the holocaust for a period of 6 years, NO ONE is allowed to tell them to just forget and not act like a victim!! Is white suffering worth more? Look at what Israel is allowed to do in Gaza because of their past history !! No one is telling them to move on , so why should we ??
@@bongani_menze Unless you want to fight, hate and be a victim the whole time and when you get to an old age regret it.
@@heavyhookedup you right we do need to move from race and interact as human beings
@@bongani_menze Yes sir. I wish we can all do that, just imagine how cool it will be when we all friendly with each other, no bad vibes. Will be amazing.
Well said Pen thanks. Why do we always talk about the past starting round about 1948 untill 1994 and not what happened before that?
This lady is knowledgeable
That's the knowledge that will eventually lead to her demise😅. Ignorance is bliss, geen stress 🤗🤗🤗
They both had great takes on this topic. But I side with Pen guys there is something called freedom of speech and association dude can interview anyone he wants.
And calling Rob Hersov a white supremacist is wild, just cause he hasn't said "sorry for what my family did". That's silly as black ppl a sorry or reparations won't do anything for us realistically.
You're so right👌
Paneul Vuma boi your whiteness mshana
Guy, you're dope😎
our generations can't do anything about the past--it is over and gone with--how long must we say sorry and when will it be enough? we can only look forward to better the future for all
There is a point where it is time to move forward and focus on the future or there will be no future. ## life is seldom fair!!! No where in the world is it fair!!! The country is about to burn and all can be happy with nothing as we starve!!!
Yah you're right
Well said👌
Who’s the lady interviewing him?
The old blame game.You got your freedom from 1994 ...what did your ANC after thirty years achiefed...a failed state go and look what is happening in Haiti.
Why are Africans leaving Africa and invading Europe risking their lives on sea.
In SA only a few Boere are feeding millions of people and neighburing countries.Africa can achieve nothing whitout the help of White people...by the way i am Russian and my Dad are German the cars you like are manufactured by us.The weapons you use to kill your own black brothers and sisters are manufactured by us.
Arms Deal ... that now is painted to Jacob Zuma
Blaming Someone For what Their Parents did is Just Wild... It's all "His, His , His, His" Not "He"
Shame
😂😂😂👍
Mac G didn't lye Pen is sponsored by them😅😅😅😅
Yah this seems so
I've always said that this Penuel guy is a fraud
Ayikho indaba yalo mfo he think like them money has changed his thinking he is selling out.
This lady is still full of hate from the past,,,, she rubbed shoulders with high profile black people,,, she lived prvevelaged black life,, was also high up in Anc and could have attained a better live for poor people,,, she was in charge but still complains,,,, do nt poison Paneul
His is already poisoned against his ppl by the enemy. He thinks they are his friends, but they are just using him, but luckily for him, he is getting paid for being sell out.
To me that I realized is, this man has a kind heart and forgiving spirit,,,, somewhere in life you must bury the past and focus on the future
@@heinrichgerber6387You bury the past if the present is not as a result of the past
@@heinrichgerber6387 Penuel does not even understand that he is being used by Herzov . These people (Herzovs / Manels etc ) are schooled in the art of thinking ahead and using the up and coming black leaders to further their cause and their wealth !! People are more upset at the ANC for 10 years of mismanagement than they are of 300 years of oppression!! They even want to give the country back to their oppressors. We as black people deserve to suffer if we do this !!
Never thought sa has hour kind of people. Your intelligence is top notch, I'm proud to be south african after this your comment 🤸🤸♂️🤸♀️
Coz they pay u nice
Do people know what white supremacy even means? Simply being white and wealthy does not make you a white supremacist😂. Its the equivalent of me putting on a beret and people accusing me of being a communist
But my man rob has eluded in many of his speeches that the black government has failed and has no capability of governing without giving them the benefit of the doubt since black government in South Africa is only 30 years old, despite him being a beneficiary off blood Money from his forefathers he continues to push for change of regime through political party funding.
@bongani_menze I think your problem is that you're too sensitive to criticism. He is right in the fact that the government has failed it's people, but also notice that the only people he has endorsed are non-white. He literally said on penuel that it has to be a black leader to bring south africa from the brink of self destruction. If he was a "white supremacist" he would think black people in general are incapable of leading.
But even white foxes when they talk about crime they don't shy from saying black people are the main cause of crime in this country yet not all of us are criminals.
So the main problem with us we love money a lot and guys like Rob they just throw money to small businesses and control them just the way they got full ownership of ANC so Rob is no different and he will never change from being a jew it doesn't happen
😂😂😂😂
@bongani_menze the "black government" has failed it's people, criticizing it is not white supremacy, it's a fact. It's not just a matter of being a new government, you have mismanagement of funds, large scale and blatant corruption. If it's one sector south africa should be doing good in is economically because of its resources but it's the exact opposite.
White supremacy means that your belief is that you are better than someone simply because you're white, yet who has rob promoted? PA, actionsa and even gave Zuma a boost saying he didn't steal any money. Now by definition of a white supremacist he should really only be promoting VF+. You the type of person to throw ad hominem attacks at someone simply because they disagree with you without listening to the content of their speech
I just can't stand this guy!
Get over your racial hatred Bongani.
Ppl who hate steal land and cattle.
😂
Hatred is stealing land n cattle then blaming the victim.
@@fredbantu3694 mmh the respond 👌🏽👌🏽
@@fredbantu3694 stealing which land and cattle and when ? Are you talking about Zulu's fighting the Xhosa people or what ?
Pen, you did not do well here, Boet. It seems as if you did not do your homework and research in preparation for this interview. You were not invited to defend Hersov or WMC, but yourself. "Why do you give you your platform to WMC?" That's the question. Forget about Mandela, he is not there to speak for himself. Even his grandson Mr Mandla, I do not believe he will ever be able defend himself.
I pray that you go back, do your homework, research and comeback.
Constructive criticism, that's what this is all about.
Sellout 🤯😡
Penuel is a thinker unlike this woman who is not a thinker. She is a parrot.
We appreciate the thinking part but what he lacks is a sense of pride for his felo black man, hanging out with racists
@bongani_menze the only racist apha nguwe
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It was not for these people that took the minerals out of the ground you all would be dead from starvation, I wish you would stop blaming apartheid, at least the majority had work, what has happened since the ANC done for the people
Why is being a Jew an issue ?
Evil maybe
@@leviconspiracies what, an entire nation or group of people is evil ?