He’s def no where near top 10 imo, way more oppressive and better characters than him even without heat, but he isn’t bottom 3 either, he’s like just in the middle. I think GM explained it well, Lee straight up has to play the entire round where as his 50/50s are trash cause of slide nerf and he doesn’t have many power mids to work with, so he has to rely heavily on conditioning his opponent making them press into him or whiff by having advanced knowledge on frame date. He has a hard time keeping up with the majority of the cast because you’re trying to force solid neutral against braindead offense. Lee is a fundamentally oriented character in a game where that type of play isn’t as favored as pure aggression and mixups are.
This has got to be the #1 thing to give to him in future updates, man. Make Heat worthwhile to enter, besides just for the WS2,3 combo..@@ArizenHizumi
idk if im just braindead or something but hwo combos are so hard for me, i play lee i can do ws loops i can do b2 loops i can do many things but when i tried hwo the combos felt hard af for me
@@johnnymonsterrrr Nah, not just you, its just different. The general vibe and timing between the moves varies a lot, and I need to recalibrate a bit when learning new characters. Going from mishimas to learning other characters combos was kinda hard, but ya kinda just need to be patient in the lab (atleast in the beginning).
@@Nico-tz7ut why are you getting defensive over a simple fact? Also he’s the least character loyalist there is. The minute kazumi was nerfed he dropped that char like a bad habit be real dude.
I think what would help tremendously to Lee in heat is for df4, 4 being a launcher in heat dash, with scaling of course, but that would be super fucking useful
One thing that i struggle with with lee. Is playing against a very defensive opponent on a large stage. It's very hard to get them to duck without using really risky moves like slide which is not very rewarding.
Erm, but Mr Streamer you forgot that when you actually do just frames in heat with Lee you build like 0.5 seconds of heat back. So when you really think about it this is top 1 heat in the game 🤓
I gotta say T8 Lee is definitely his peak character designed after T7, just like Jin character design peaked in T7 where in this game he got downgrade into what he is now
It would be so good if Just Frame Slide in Heat would give the CH knockdown property you get now. Would elevate that move so much. Maybe even make Mist Trap faster in heat, I've noticed my friend at GoD is able to react to mist trap everytime after a heat engager even with delays.
fun fact: reina also gets the just frames on ewgf and such in heat so uh... yeah, it0s just a little odd i guess, but if the character is good off the bat him not having anything else in heat is probably the balancing factor?
Good, let him say that Lee is bottom 3 and all of his stans to lap it up. Then we can laugh at them how we beat them with arguably the worst character in the game.
Just because someone is a pro player, etc., doesn't mean everything they say is necessarily true. he is not bottom 3, but his heat is trash. hopefully he gets a buff. give my boi lee some love
he also said he has no low beside b33 saying that even db3+4 can be reacted by a blind guy lmao but yeah I agree with your point, I'd also say he's a bit weaker on the tracking but that can be dealt with by just playing better
I made a suggestion to super akouma saying what if acid rain got rid of recoverable health similar to nina or shaheen. idk i jus want him to have something lol
also some characters benefit from chip damage way more than others. Prime examples are hwoarang who does small chip but depending on the amount of hits blocked your health can disappear. Zafinas stance safe stance transitions like scr1+2 to tarantula df1 or just scr4,2 in heat will take chunks of health at a time. Lee doesnt have the benefit of being able to have a flowchart that even when blocked he's rewarded with free chip.
I play zaf and lee but I don't think chip damage in heat should exist at all, and they should buff lees in some way cos I doubt they are nerfing everyone else in favour for his being ass. Alisas chip is crazy too
Do you believe that Lee should have a bit more chip dmg on the wr3,4? The reason I say that is because only the second move deals the chip, unlike Azucena's wr move which both deal chip.
One point i would like to make about Lee is that he also lacks range, its harder to wiff punish with Lee than it is with the top characters. I also feel like the pulse cannon was nerfed a bit range wise. He is also super linear and walls will mess up your combo, unlike other characters that make it seem like everything hits on the wall.
If you play against a good Lee he is oppressive. His wall carry is outrageous his wall okizime is outrageous and the fact that ff3 and running 3+4 feel super inconsistent to step and are safe makes him very good. Also his hop knee has very deceptive range.
@@crustman5982 ff3 isn’t inconsistent to step, people just step the wrong way because it’s ones of Lee’s only moves where you have to step right instead of left. Also wr3,4 is crazy linear and the hit box on the first hit is really bad
@@crustman5982 idk what you’re getting it but Lee’s ff3 is very weak to SSR, you don’t even need to commit to a full side walk. Also wr3,4 is 100% linear, the second hit will always whiff if you sidestep/sidewalk the first one, it literally has 0 tracking
What if just frame slide on heat give gold particle burst for a normal hit launcher. That'll be cool imo since you get rewarded with heat regen and scary ws 2, 3/slide launch mixup on heat.
Lee is trash in T8. He already struggled with turtles before slide was shafted and he can't do much with his +17 compared to most other characters. And his heat smash is situational GARBAGE. df4,4, 1+2 and his way worse magic 4 are the only things that give him a chance. and even df4,4 was already nerfed after heat dash cause it was too good apparently. LOL
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I fee hwo and lee players downplay their character the most, but Miirio is honest.
He put lee top 4 in t7 because GM whipped him in FT10 lol
Nice I didn't know about that set I'm finna go look for it and watch/react to it!
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He’s def no where near top 10 imo, way more oppressive and better characters than him even without heat, but he isn’t bottom 3 either, he’s like just in the middle.
I think GM explained it well, Lee straight up has to play the entire round where as his 50/50s are trash cause of slide nerf and he doesn’t have many power mids to work with, so he has to rely heavily on conditioning his opponent making them press into him or whiff by having advanced knowledge on frame date. He has a hard time keeping up with the majority of the cast because you’re trying to force solid neutral against braindead offense.
Lee is a fundamentally oriented character in a game where that type of play isn’t as favored as pure aggression and mixups are.
He also has the most trash heat. I mean, he literally doesn't have any heat moves lmao.
This has got to be the #1 thing to give to him in future updates, man. Make Heat worthwhile to enter, besides just for the WS2,3 combo..@@ArizenHizumi
Very well said!
this man cooked
Arslan making downplaying REAL easy for us Lee mains. We should be praising him!
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He making us look godly 😂
you forgot hwoarang gets i10, i14, i16 counter hit launches for an EASY 90-100 damage
Got to be honest, I don't see 80% of the hwoarangs online knowing they can use those
@aperson1896 80% oh hwoarangs dont know what they're doing thats why
idk if im just braindead or something but hwo combos are so hard for me, i play lee i can do ws loops i can do b2 loops i can do many things but when i tried hwo the combos felt hard af for me
@@johnnymonsterrrr Nah, not just you, its just different. The general vibe and timing between the moves varies a lot, and I need to recalibrate a bit when learning new characters. Going from mishimas to learning other characters combos was kinda hard, but ya kinda just need to be patient in the lab (atleast in the beginning).
Thinking I could do 3 Acid rains in a row in Heat only to get 'om'd. Let me live life a bit
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Arslan said jun was the worst character in the game previously and then played her in tournament shortly after.
@@crustman5982 he lies
Doesn’t mean he only plays the best character
@@DwayneJefferson-vq1it he usually does, hes always playing best characters, no shame in that just dont lie
so? Arslan is known for beeing a character loyalist and he played her because he likes the character
@@Nico-tz7ut why are you getting defensive over a simple fact? Also he’s the least character loyalist there is. The minute kazumi was nerfed he dropped that char like a bad habit be real dude.
Lord arslan has spoken lei chaobla shall receive adequate buffs. OM
My sunshine Miirio has embraced us with his presence once more
from top 4 to bottom 3? we live in the wrong timeline FeelsExhaustedMan
I think what would help tremendously to Lee in heat is for df4, 4 being a launcher in heat dash, with scaling of course, but that would be super fucking useful
lee gets om but you refuse to use it (om)
One thing that i struggle with with lee. Is playing against a very defensive opponent on a large stage. It's very hard to get them to duck without using really risky moves like slide which is not very rewarding.
Lee in top 5 is crazy, even if the game doesn't have a heat system in it
Erm, but Mr Streamer you forgot that when you actually do just frames in heat with Lee you build like 0.5 seconds of heat back. So when you really think about it this is top 1 heat in the game 🤓
Eh oh ok buddy
And every attack in heat chips so Lee takes away so much chip damage 🤓
Guy lives in delusion like most pros to be fair
I gotta say T8 Lee is definitely his peak character designed after T7, just like Jin character design peaked in T7 where in this game he got downgrade into what he is now
would be peak without b3,3
It would be so good if Just Frame Slide in Heat would give the CH knockdown property you get now. Would elevate that move so much. Maybe even make Mist Trap faster in heat, I've noticed my friend at GoD is able to react to mist trap everytime after a heat engager even with delays.
U also forgot that hwoarang in heat basically gets counter hit launchers off of almost any move that goes into right flamingo
fun fact: reina also gets the just frames on ewgf and such in heat
so uh... yeah, it0s just a little odd i guess, but if the character is good off the bat him not having anything else in heat is probably the balancing factor?
Started from Lei chaobla top 4 now we here
Good, let him say that Lee is bottom 3 and all of his stans to lap it up. Then we can laugh at them how we beat them with arguably the worst character in the game.
btw Eddy gets 2 new moves. 3+4 which is a launch and qcf4 which is a high and low crushing high attack for ridiculous damage and wall break
Qcf4 can high crush as well as low crush, forcing a mix if it gets blocked at the wall as it becomes more plus
Steve clinch grab is breakable if he either presses 1 or 2, with a throw break corresponding to his buttons pressed...
I meant the initial clinch is unbreakable
Lars main here, he also gets his mid turned into a launcher on normal hit (limited entry 2)
Just because someone is a pro player, etc., doesn't mean everything they say is necessarily true. he is not bottom 3, but his heat is trash. hopefully he gets a buff. give my boi lee some love
sOMething sOMething for the algorithm
Time for Lee buffs 😤
6:04 you forgot about auto parry
Azucena being better than lee is crazy
7:00 😂 +12 during guardbreak
Shhh lets just silently agree
If JF slide always KND instead of only CH, that would be a nice change I feel.
he also said he has no low beside b33
saying that even db3+4 can be reacted by a blind guy lmao
but yeah I agree with your point, I'd also say he's a bit weaker on the tracking but that can be dealt with by just playing better
Lee needs a safe just frame mid move and a mid power crush or new and useful moves in heat like the rest of the cast.
Yeah a mid powercrush would be nice, just give him back the old b3+4 tbh.
MAN IM ONLY LOSING CAUSE EVERYONE IM GOING AGAINST IS HIGHER THAN MY CHARACTER ON THE TIER LIST! om
I made a suggestion to super akouma saying what if acid rain got rid of recoverable health similar to nina or shaheen. idk i jus want him to have something lol
Jin jas a great heat smash but the Omen things sucks tbh and free electric is even worse than free acid rain
Lee chaobla is the most sexiest character ever of all time, it's almost unbelievable that such a character even existed.
I think his reversal in heat could parry not only punches
otherwise I don't see the point of using it against anyone except steve or paul
uf 3+4 into ff3 can launch with a heat dash ff3 would be very cool
also some characters benefit from chip damage way more than others. Prime examples are hwoarang who does small chip but depending on the amount of hits blocked your health can disappear. Zafinas stance safe stance transitions like scr1+2 to tarantula df1 or just scr4,2 in heat will take chunks of health at a time. Lee doesnt have the benefit of being able to have a flowchart that even when blocked he's rewarded with free chip.
I play zaf and lee but I don't think chip damage in heat should exist at all, and they should buff lees in some way cos I doubt they are nerfing everyone else in favour for his being ass. Alisas chip is crazy too
Just frame slide should knockdown. And maybe give him a new + on block transition to Hitman other than running 3,4 and/or heat low in Hitman.
Do you believe that Lee should have a bit more chip dmg on the wr3,4?
The reason I say that is because only the second move deals the chip, unlike Azucena's wr move which both deal chip.
One point i would like to make about Lee is that he also lacks range, its harder to wiff punish with Lee than it is with the top characters. I also feel like the pulse cannon was nerfed a bit range wise. He is also super linear and walls will mess up your combo, unlike other characters that make it seem like everything hits on the wall.
I just wanna know what Lee he's been facing to make him think he's bottom 3 lmao
His problem is that his heat mode is SUBPAR compared to other characters.
doesn't heat replenish if you hit the just frame while in heat? so you still get rewarded for the execution
what reason, becauase theres no good lee player in pakistan?
Holy OMnipotence
I swear if Arslan wasn't a waifu player he would be having beef set with Yazka instead of winning Evo
9:48 it doesn't become an i9 move, it's i15 after +6 so it's a frametrap by 1 frame (means Xiaoyu can still b1 and Yoshi can heatflash launch)
Make my low heat smash wall spat, would be very very balanced :)))))
It's a shame they didn't add anything more that he does already have. Maybe they'll add some extras moves in season 2 🤷♂️
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I think the forced mixups messed up Arslan's brain
Lee's ws launcher NEEDS heat to combo?
(new player learning T8)
ye either follow up with heat burst or FF3 heat dash
Idc Lee's tier placement, hes my excellent main and always will be 🌹
Top Ten? OMinous
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Only bottom 3 when mirrio uses him chat. 😂
Pls buff Lee so Myrow can actually get 999k points
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I love Lee!!!
I put ppl to sleep in ranked with Lee. 💯
i play bottom 4 Lars waow
Glad to be bottom 3 in a game full of broken characters😈
Top 4 characta.
is only better lee is bottom 3. People listen to arslan ash. Maybe we can get buffs. Let us pray
Lee magic 4 is garbage tho… laws is much better.
I've been saying Lee is easily top 10 since launch but been called crazy and stupid by everyone on Reddit :')
If you play against a good Lee he is oppressive. His wall carry is outrageous his wall okizime is outrageous and the fact that ff3 and running 3+4 feel super inconsistent to step and are safe makes him very good. Also his hop knee has very deceptive range.
@@crustman5982 ff3 isn’t inconsistent to step, people just step the wrong way because it’s ones of Lee’s only moves where you have to step right instead of left. Also wr3,4 is crazy linear and the hit box on the first hit is really bad
@@Fleez311 all ff moves in this game have a weird habit of correcting and the second hit of wr3+4 is the problem.
@@crustman5982 idk what you’re getting it but Lee’s ff3 is very weak to SSR, you don’t even need to commit to a full side walk. Also wr3,4 is 100% linear, the second hit will always whiff if you sidestep/sidewalk the first one, it literally has 0 tracking
@@Fleez311let me guess. You play Lee
What if just frame slide on heat give gold particle burst for a normal hit launcher. That'll be cool imo since you get rewarded with heat regen and scary ws 2, 3/slide launch mixup on heat.
Lee is trash in T8. He already struggled with turtles before slide was shafted and he can't do much with his +17 compared to most other characters. And his heat smash is situational GARBAGE. df4,4, 1+2 and his way worse magic 4 are the only things that give him a chance. and even df4,4 was already nerfed after heat dash cause it was too good apparently. LOL
Just let GM beat him again and Lee is top 5 again Smile.
I’m convinced tekken hates Lee
always has been. since tekken 7.
I dont even care the pros just play easy pooooossssydem
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Lee is top 0 no one out lees less
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