Star Trek: Strange New Worlds: Ghosts of Illyria Review
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Three episodes in and they haven’t murdered anybody yet, let alone murdered everybody. So that’s an improvement over Discovery and Picard.
I agree, unfortunately that’s a low bar
@@GrumpusTheCat That bar is insanely high for Nu-Trek writers
@@GrumpusTheCat I’ll take even a low bar if it is at least trying to be a Trek show. I’ll even accept Trek stealing from itself, which is a grand old Trek tradition. In case everyone missed it, the Khan chick is recycling the Tasha Yar character from TNG. Just add “raped/eaten by Gorn” to the already heinous backstory if roving rape gangs, plus “KHAAAAN!” Yes Uhura is mainly borrowing from Hoshi. But Riker and Troi were just pencilled in name changes from Decker and Ilya.
@@andrewtaylor940 I don't think they meet the Gorn raped those members of La'an's colony ship. I think Breeding sakes might the Gorn literally put the eggs of their young into the colonized body's. After all the Gorn are cold blooded.
A red shirt must be sacrificed!!
If this series takes place prior to Kirk then there are no biological filters on the transporters. There are a couple of episodes in the Original Series were the crew had to either wear protective gear, or could not leave the planet they were on until the illness was cured. The filters were introduced in Next Generation.
Hmmm
Canon is for nerds
- SNW writers
Wait, they had at least one scene in the transporter where they decontaminated, it was just done after materialization. They did it in Naked Time.
@@harveytherobot I think that’s the issue though, isn’t it? The dialogue suggests that the biofilter is fully integrated into the transporter and could therefore be applied while patterns are still in the buffer to filter out contaminants before rematerialisation takes place, as on TNG. As you say, in TOS, the decon process took place after transport, not during. I mean, it’s a nitpick but Trekkers gonna Trek I guess 😂
@@cha02psc The only reason I pointed it out was because, it was made out to be a big deal in Next Gen. and was discussed in several episodes. All the new series writers had to do was just not bring it up.
Don't forget that Pike's Enterprise is more advanced than Voyager or the Jenolan, since it can infinitely store someone in its pattern buffers with no degradation.
Also, has anyone seen the movie "Sunshine"?
Sunshine pretty good movie
Good two thirds of a movie. Horrible third act.
Actually, the Jenolan was more advanced, since Scotty was in the buffer for decades and Mbenga periodically has to rematerialize his daughter.
@@allynflinchbaugh4570 Scotty was In s buffer with another person who died because of 50% degradation, Scotty also rigged the transporter to diagnostic loop or something so it was still degrading but very slowly
Yep.
They really should have credited DC Fontana here. She created the backstory for number 1 in the 1989 novel Vulcan's Glory. The backstory that they used here. That she was an augment and Illyrian. So not classy for them to not even mention it. An "inspired by" would have been ok.
Definitely agree! It's very cool they are using some beta canon though.
Disgusting how they are using Fontana's work, but won't credit her.
@@whos-the-stiff I agree with this. You would think the anti-patriarchy crowd would have more respect for one of the first women of Trek.
Show should be banned for racial abuse.
@@letosgoldenpath1993 For all we know, the present showrunners probably aren't even aware DC was a woman--all they see in the credits of former Star Trek is "herrderrdeadwhitemale!!"
You are an eternal optimist. I have none for anything made under Kurtzman.
The opposite, its a garbage fire
I believe that Kurtzman is attempting to slap the fans in the face with his version of "reality." It is as if he is saying, "So, you like this claptrap Gene Roddenberry peddled about Western culture and its values producing a near-utopian future where everyone works for their own self betterment and with the elimination of want strife between humans has all but been eliminated? Well let me show you the dark underbelly of your UTOPIA. It's still rife with bigotry, hatred, resentment, misogyny, racism, -phobia and all the other CRIMES of modern Western society because the only path to a utopian future would be to destroy modern Western culture and its values rather than to build upon them."
Now Scotty's ingenious solution turns out to be a very old idea.
Maybe the entire concept of prequels is flawed because it is inevitable that things like this will happen.
His idea was smart because he also figured out a way to keep it running for decades off a single power supply
Everyone lies but nobody ever gets disciplined. Good job Star Trek.
To be fair the only time I remember anybody getting disciplined was Wesley Crusher in the incident with the death of the other cadet in Starfleet Academy. And I really don't even remember what happened to him because I don't care about Wesley at all.
That seems to happen in Hollywood made stuff a lot, but I really was hoping for better from Star Trek. I would, however, be satisfied if there is serious trouble over it later on, although I would still like to see Una remain after a very serious inquiry with the intention to ascertain either her and possibly Pike's fitness or lack thereof for their positions.
@@Pressed_For_Time There was also Tom Paris who was sentenced to 30 days and demoted.
I mean, it’s silly, sure, but Even Picard gave second chances. He even had a cadet who was responsible for a death in an stunt serve aboard his ship so she could redeem herself. And Janeway pulled Paris out of Prison so he could help her. I’m not saying it’s good but Captain seemed to forgive bad behavior, especially when it helps them.
The most troubling aspect is not merely that the officers were not sanctioned, but that their violations were never remanded to Starfleet fir adjudication.
In the case of the first officer, surely a captain should have some discretion, and nobody would insist on a slavish adherence to rules for their own sake, however the absolute prohibition on augments clearly reflects seriousness in which Starfleet views the issue.
It should not lie within Pikes discretion to so casually be dismissive of the band merely because his officer is competent-- after all, wouldn't an augment, by definition, be expected to be highly competent and proficient?
Pike's reasoning is deficient, and does not go to the heart of the issue, namely the policy objectives of the ban, and clearly implies inconsistent and problematic results.
Suppose for example that the first officer was merely mediocre; would Pike then subject her to listen to disciniplary sanction?
While new trek seems to advocate for ian "end justifies the mean" type of morality, this should be contrasted to Capt Janeway who formed an alliance with other ships trapped in the void, so long as they maintain a moral code which includes a Prohibition against plundering other ships. When Janeway discovers that one of the ships in her coalition I've actually stolen equipment from another ship, she refuses to cooperate with them unless they return the stolen Goods.
If Pike was principled, he would have reported the issue to Starfleet, but advocated for his first officer, and also that the prohibition should in general be repealed. But nah, he's okay with selective enforcement of the Starfleet rules for people that he likes
I hated the doctors daughter reveal... it just opened up too many convenience plotholes for the entire Trek universe.. "Someone's dying? Don't worry! Just stick em in the databanks for a bit..." Hiding a fugitive? Stick em in the banks! Avoiding the missus? Hop on in the banks! ..whereas the whole point of Scotty doing it was a one off, due to him being an engineering GENIUS who used his innovation and creativity to find a clever loophole in a very desperate situation... this kinda just makes a mockery of the idea.. Are people just asleep in there? Dreaming? Floating in digital oblivion? Partying with databots? Swatting up on wikipedia? Just kinda dumb... And no true consequences to it.. What if every time he did it, her code degraded a little... so his time to find a cure was limited? And why didn't he just materialise her so they could update the transporters, then put her back in it? Seems very hypocritical for a DOCTOR to risk so many lives by refusing to upgrade them? Hell, would he even be able to tell them no when they went to do it? The whole thing was just silly to me...
Thank you for making this point. Heck, nowadays you'd have to be nuts to disregard an anti-virus update, let alone a transporter anti-virus update. Someone who would do that, in the 23rd or 21st century, should be fired immediately. How could you have any faith in their integrity (or wisdom) after that? That was a bad, bad character development, in opinion.
I hear you. But Trek is full of medical and engineering cures and miracles that are forgotten by the next episode. Not forgiving it, but it’s nothing new.
_Trek_ has done the idea of storing a person in a pattern buffer multiple times. It's not a new or sense-breaking concept for the show, nor does it take away from Scotty. Scott was a genius for being able to make the procedure last for _decades,_ while the doctor thought it was a forgone conclusion that the person needs to be rematerialized regularly. The concept is the same as a very expensive ICU. You can hide in the closet from your missus too, unless she decides to do a little searching of the house; and just like checking a closet or your text message history on your phone, she could check the transporter logs.
Don't try to poke holes in the show's ideas if you won't look at poking holes in your own.
Actually that sounds like a good follow up to this episode. They find out her pattern is degrading and there are repercussions.
@@davidsimon5088 Yes!
In this episode we learned that Starfleet doctors are a bunch of unprofessional idiots, because none of them noticed genetically enhanced alien posing as human during MANY medical checkups Una had to go through throughout her career as Starfleet officer. And "THE MASSAGE" of the week was: lying and cheating is ok if you are one of us :)
I did find that unbelievable. UNLESS her genetic engineering is so good it fools the scanners and makes her appear human. Lol. I’m half kidding but wasn’t that the deal with Data’s mom?
I could barely understand a word he was saying.
"Massage" lol
The writers appear to reflect some interesting character traits: 1) a complete lack of understanding of hierarchy, chain of command and appropriate etiquette, 2) complete lack of understanding or downright denial of science, 3) complete lack of understanding of technology and a 4) complete lack of understanding of personal responsibility. Here's why: 1) officers on duty talking with higher ranking officers like they are some Gen Z friends hanging out (or whatever gen Z does), 2) every problem is solved by pure conjecture and making up some macguffins. Remember for example Stellar Cartography on Ent-D? Nu Trek characters don't need that. They just think for a second (if that much) and think of the right solution. 3) transporters can't get a person from orbit to surface with all clothes, but transporting A PIECE OF A PLANET'S CORE THROUGH THE CRUST AND MANTLE (!!!) is no problem, apparently, 4) No.1 and Doc should have been kicked out of Starfleet after Ep.3 or at least face some serious repercussions. But nope, zero accountability.
So - not a crew, but a bunch of entitled, super-smart individuals, who are always right and get away with anything they do. Ugh ...
@@harveytherobot but she wasn't even human.
I don't waste my time watching the show. I just watch Dave's review and it saves me almost an hour of my life. Thanks, Dave!!
I noticed that the Pike and Spock scenes did not require either man to constantly compliment and root for the other. With no women to simp for they performed their duties professionally and well. It CAN be done. Thankfully, Pike returned to the ship in time to prop up Number Won with a "You GO Girl!" and everything returned to new normal.
Lol. At least, Spock is better in this episode, and they did a pretty good job selling Una and M'Benga who were weaker in the first two.
Can't help notice the "social justice" message too. "Well, Number One, you deserve to face the consequences for your actions but since you are an _oppressed minority_ we'll just make a new set of rules for you based upon the principles of SOCIAL JUSTICE." And I liked Number One's virtue signaling at the end. _I got Social Justice because I save everyone's life but shouldn't I have received it for just being the _*_oppressed minority_*_ which I am?_
LOL!! 😆
@@robertanderson6929 I see no particular reason to conclude this was intended to be a "social justice" plot point. It could as easily be taken at face value. i.e.: #1 is a good officer who does her job well, and the captain values her presence as it is more conducive to a well functioning environment than would be the case if anyone else were serving in that position.
@@robertanderson6929 wow, you’re reading A LOT into it.
I'm still waiting for The Orville! Much more fun and more intellegent it seems- the real Star Trek now- at least for me!
Should be coming out soon. Naturally, we should all be making comparisons and I still put the odds on Orville.
I hope it’ll be like season 2. Season 1 of the Orville was often borderline silly with its dumb humour
Remember when Star Trek had an ACTUAL engineer come up with all the tech/ science/ etc and based it on plausible research? Yeah, I miss those days of SciFi, but plausible. Now Trek is just magic & Mcguffins.
Andre Bormanis is on The Orville now.
Space magic. Only without the cool hat, gloves, or sexy assistant.
I will never warm up to a star trek show using dated references like zoomer-speak. Please just write a show in the correct universe, I'm tired of fanfiction.
Ditto. "Put the pedal to the metal, Sulu. Step on it!" said Kirk never.
I still say that the actress who plays Number One should also play Nurse Chapel just in a blonde wig but with none of the other characters noticing that they look the same as an in joke.
Lol. They are similar though.
🤣
Maybe Pike should make a comment that he likes her voice, and thinks it should be used by the computers, but only in a hundred years time when they start speaking more.
@@ThePathStrider And she could meet Troi's ancestor who looks like a twin.
@@ThePathStrider I think Majel Barrett did the computer voice in TOS too, not that it spoke a lot, but Pike could ask her to record her voice for the computers now!
"Illyria" also was a demon in the "Buffy the vampire slayer" spinoff "Angel". When I saw the title I thought it might be a weird crossover event.
It's also what the Romans called the balkans.
When I saw "Illyria", I thought of Buffy too, but only insofar as a reference to demons.
Illyrian's were also in Enterprise they were the race that Archer stole the warp coil from during the Xindi arc.
"This is new Star Trek. It's our Star Trek. Old Star Trek is yours." lol. I hate when they say that.
Producers: "This is my kids Star Trek."
Alex Kurtzman: "Gene who?" lol.
It is weird how New Trek is OBSESSED with Old Trek. Here are 27 Old Trek characters that are in New Trek:
Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Chapel, M'Benga, Sarek, Amanda Grayson, Harry Mudd, Sam Kirk, Robert April, Khan, Picard, Data, Riker, Troi, Hugh, Q, Wesley, Janeway, Seven, Icheb, Pike, Number One; and more Old Trek characters have been promised.
Hey, New Trek, you're stuck in the past!!!
6:40 Not entirely unheard of. The genetically engineered children in STTNG that Dr Pulaski interacted with had antibodies that would go out and proactively attack threats outside their bodies.
Yeah it was only in DS9 that they made retroactively made genetic engineering illegal with the whole Julian Bashir plot.
At least, these episodes are watchable and sometimes it look like real StarTrek despite the lore problems regarding the crew and the general Kurtzman-Trek timeline or some plotholes. And I like that there is finally a starship with light on board. A place to live and work without becoming depressive.
I agree. I want to be on this ship. I couldn't say the same thing about the Next Gen era ships which felt like dystopian nightmares to me.
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 The whole Next Gen era appears to me like SfiFi in Communism, which I read a lot in my Youth in Eastern Germany.
@@lucymiau5700 Lol. I agree.
The starship looks like a hotel resort... nice i guess, but very unbelievable. Space is still at a premium in space, even in the future of Star Trek.
@@lucymiau5700 I actually like how the Enterprise now looks commercialistic. I hope they tone down Roddenberry's communism and leave the details vague. I don't even like the Earth government and "United" Federation government aspects.
The station is filmed at the former Ontario Place. Where they beam up used to be a plastic skating risk. LOL
I would absolutely agree that the best thing we can say about Strange New Worlds to this point is... "Well, it's not terrible." But when Discovery and Puke-Hard have lowered the bar practically to zero, that isn't exactly high praise. That said, I would remind people that the first season or two of The Next Generation was hardly amazing either. In fact it was overall pretty bad, but similar to Strange New Worlds itself, people were so starved for Trek at that point, that it was easy to put on your "rose colored glasses" and forgive some of the shows shortcomings. Now I'm not saying SNW will hit TNG levels at some point (especially since Kurtzman is still calling the shots) but maybe, just maybe, it will find a decent "footing."
I think the issue is that ST fans view Picard and Disc as stand-ins for the poorly written S1 and S2 of TNG. New Trek has had it's time to get past its growing pains. So the hope is that SNW will hit the ground running, which isn't very fair to it, but it's the reality. When so much bad has happened before your show, your show will be expected to prop up everything from the jump. SNW has been ok so far, but I agree with the video, it's going to need some pop, a great episode pretty soon. Otherwise it's just going to be the milquetoast cherry on the New Trek shit sundae.
I have to disagree with you on this one. Encounter at Farpoint, in it's two episode format, was an excellent introduction to TNG. It captured your attention with a great storyline, it offered you tidbits into the different characters and their styles and personalities. It definitely allowed you to be fully immersed in this new "world". You cannot say the same about SNW. Of course, there were misses in the first year, but TNG started strong and definitely had more hits than misses. 3 episodes into SNW, there is none of that. Nothing to catch and keep your attention. More things to make you roll your eyes and say "but...wait" in sheer confusion about the thought processes and storylines. As I said in a previous post, we have got to stop saying "eh it's better than Discovery and Picard" and give it a pass for that. Star Trek can and HAS been better and that should be the standard, period.
The first two seasons of TNG were much weaker than the series later became, but mixed in with all the awful bits were actual good ideas.
...but...but...butt...it is so Stunning and Brave!...
The stories are episodic, but the character drama will be serialized.
Why does anyone want to join the Federation??! New Trek makes the Federation look like a very nice Borg with out the “we” talk and the same goals. una being a alien modified “wonder woman” is by far the weakest part of SNW
Yeah, tbh, I don't know why people want to join the Federation in this universe. It's morals seem much more, questionable at best!
Klingon, Romulan and Cardasian empires are the places where the action is at! Federation? Never heard of it.
Not in this era.
I hope they don't show much of the Federation, and I hope they tone down descriptions of it. I hate the united government thing. They never should have called it the United Federation (of Planets), but it became much more communist in the Next Gen era. I actually like how the Enterprise looks more commercialistic now.
Illyrians make less sense than most for it considering what Archer did to one of their ships.
I can also see this as one Illyrian colony deciding to join the Federation for whatever reason.
In reference to the doctor's use of the Transporter to keep his daughter alive. "What happened to "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one"
‘Is supposed to be high brow intellectual entertainment’
Since when? It’s been decades…
Star Trek is dead. Kurtzman is molesting the corpse using the teddy bear from Critical Drinker’s Doctor Who analogy.
Even if it turned out to be good Star Trek, I am so over prequels. Star Trek has the problem of being technologically OP, but you can't tell me there's no stories to be told years after the Dominion War. (Picard doesn't count in my mind, BTW.)
also we didn't have a sequel after voyager in years except the atrocious picard. is that difficult to make a series set AFTER FUCKING KIRK?
Umm, Lower Decks exists, set shortly after Nemesis. And it's easily the best of new Star Trek, once you get used to it being animated and a comedy.
Its easier to dismiss shitty prequels than it is to dismiss shitty sequels since future shows will feel compelled to pick up where those shit sequels left off.
Thanks to this channel I am able to almost watch this show after having seen the first episode for free on TH-cam. I hope he keeps up these detailed reviews so I can continue to thumb my nose at pay to watch it TV as long as my old ass can get away with it. StarTrek has to come a long way after Discovery and Picard before I'll invest money to see any of it. I will admit even though grudgingly that this does seem like a sort of return to the show the way it was meant to be.
It is amazing that a show that is supposed to be about the exploration of deep Space ... ie interstellar space can't seem to think up any new plots. If I was a writer I'd get out my 'Stellarium' program and start researching to see what kind of curiosities does space within a certain number of light years offers. Also, read a lot of human history. What kinds of events could translate into an episode. Also, from what stills I've seen they have made this Enterprise absolutely HUGE. They could have kept the dimensions of the original while updating some of the tech. I may buy this series when it comes out on DVD.
Thanks for another thoughtful video Dave. Cheers.
I'm so excited . . .
"The Orville: New Horizons" comes out on 2 June 2022.
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is not perfect but it's definitely an improvement from Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Picard
What is your opinion on lower decks? Would love for you to do a video on that
As always, straight to the point! I agree with every word. And I presume after all the flops with Discovery and Picard they keep the "safe writing" formula by copying old story ideas to keep the show "watchable" for the old ST fans, like us 😃
Thank you Dave, well done. Keep ‘em coming.
Scotty wasn't the only one that stored himself in a Pattern buffer. there was an episode of Enterprise where the inventor of the Transporter used it to save his son. They also did something close to that in a couple of DS9 episodes too. And i still won't watch this on its own. I'll rely on your reviews for it. They did it in Voyager too when dealing with the Devor Imperium. And to some, dont fucking correct me.
Thank you, was going to bring this up. That plot point is eerily similar to the Enterprise episode Daedalus.
I think they did the same thing in Voyager when they were being inspected by Psychic haters
It is so convenient of a trope isn't it, that is all over the place of Star Trek. The only thing with holding a pattern in a buffer is, that it is taking Energy in some way to do so. And any Transporter Inspection beyond some safety weekly check should pick up an above average Energy consumption not only on the Transporter, but also on the Energy management system of the ship, that feeds the transporter "room/s". So yeah. pretty hard to dodge this. I mean a doctor is educated, but he doesn't have a engineering degree let alone a specialization for transporters haven't he? When Scotty do it, it is believable because he basically can dissemble and reassemble the ship from bow to stern eyes closed in a week.
@@dennispatel3188 Yea, The Devor imperium.
Nooo, wrong. That's not what he did. He used a transporter to RETRIEVE his son from that void. He never stored him. If he stored his son in a buffer, why would he need to BORROW Enterprise (by lying) and TRAVEL to that location?! Think before you write.
I think the writers totally messed up Nurse Chapel. That is NOT Nurse Chapel. She shares the name but that's all.
Thanks for the review. Glad the Orville is back soon!
This is a weak episode. They advanced number ones admission of her genetic augmentation way too early. Bashir, we were in love with when they did that so it was so impactful... Totally agree on the contemporary language issue. It would have been more appropriate for them to incorporate alien words. Thinking of all the putaks and vehrules.
It’s probably all going to come down to the characters to set this show apart. It’s hard to craft completely original stories at this point when you have a back catalogue of 700+ episodes. If even half the episodes are fairly unique, that’d be a massive accomplishment. So it’s really going to be whether the characters are interesting and relatable and that usually takes a couple seasons to really sort out. Enterprise ended up a pretty good show by the end, but only Trip was really worth anything in the first season. TNG started very slowly with almost everyone being a blank slate until around season 3, Voyager was completely inconsistent in every regard the whole way through, and DS9 had some solid characterization from the start but took several seasons to develop the full cast (looking at you Dr. Bashir). It will be interesting to see if SNW can develop quicker because they almost have to, since there are only ten episodes a season nowadays.
Indeed. It's all about the characters and the writing. They just can't do it anymore.
Personally I loved enterprise from the first episode.
Great points. I like the characters on SNW so far, especially Pike and La'an. Characters are much more important than plot for me. I will enjoy cheesy junk if I like the characters. (I like Seven of Nine and T'Pol.)
@@TheAnarchist01 I always liked Enterprise too, the concept of the early years of deep space exploration appealed to me, but when I rewatched it recently, I was taken back by how little they did with the characters initially. Or in Archer’s case, how much he matured. At the beginning, they lean hard into “the Vulcans are holding humanity back” and it really makes Archer come off as an emotional child. I can I understand his frustration and how they wanted to really show the difference between the two species, but trying to establish it quickly I think they made Archer act way over the top. He comes off as a guy with a quick temper and sort of makes made me understand the Vulcans’ position, which I don’t think is what they wanted to convey. By the second season, Archer is greatly toned down and that allows T’Pol to be less of a caricature of a Vulcan (sort of the same problem Tuvok had on Voyager) and it made the character interactions feel less forced.
Enterprise may have actually had my favorite crew (sort of a tossup with DS9), with every character being pretty strong by the end… with the exception of Mayweather, whom I think they realized didn’t have much to offer so they basically ignored him as the series went on. I think they were going for a more likable Wesley Crusher, but the only personality trait he ended up showing was that he was perhaps cognitively impaired. Nice guy though!
@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 I liked Seven of Nine too (on Voyager, I have no idea who the character on Picard is supposed to be), but I think that it’s sort of sad that they sacked Kes to add her. I might be in the minority, but I thought that Kes was one of the more fascinating characters in the first three seasons of Voyager and her rapid aging and abilities would have allowed for some interesting stories, which they just then rushed through to get her off the show. Seven sort of unbalanced the show too, as she became a huge focus after she was added. Which was good for her character but sort of bad for the overall ensemble.
They probably should have gotten rid of Harry (which I think was a rumor that he was considered to be removed instead of Kes) or better yet, that p-file Neelix. It’s funny that they sort of just quietly moved away from their relationship, with some quick lines about how they broke up. It would have been interesting if Neelix had ever been directly approached about how creepy he was, hooking up with a three year old, but I understand why the show wouldn’t go there (probably shouldn’t have even introduced the relationship at all then…)
@@infinitelybanta
Hard to say which I like best.
Probably ds9. Enterprise and voyager are also good all the way.
Tng is a mixed bag. Good and bad episodes. Especially the first season.
I like several episodes of the original series, but I don't really like the 70's style of TV.
I also hate the many god like aliens with magical powers. That's why I'm also not really a Q fan.
But indeed. Less "likeable" characters evolved. Episodes focusing on them made me understand why they are who they are.
Good writing can do that.
1) Why did the Talosians not know she was an Illyrian augment?
2) The plot seems copy pasted from a movie - I think it's called Solar but I'd have to check, think Nitpicking Nerd pointed it out. Right down to the scenes.
3) Spock in TOS still doesn't seem to be connected to this Spock. Not even vaguely.
Sunshine. Also, I think there is a similar Farscape episode. They used all their money on the Discovery trash. We should cut them some slack.
Kurzman trek finaly reaches the quality of the worst pre 2005 star trek episode...
The look of the girl who is the best person in the entire universe, is enough for me to not want to watch it.
Why is the screen on the bridges so freakin’ huge 😂. Tos 1701 screen was smaller my living room tv.
Never mind the fact that they ripped off the Sunshine (2007) film
Number one carrying that alien man looked totally fake.
Can anyone explain to me how this iteration of the Enterprise is 500ft longer than in TOS and still be the 'same' ship?
I thought this one started off well and then went down the drain. I actually laughed out loud when Una carried Hemmer with that dramatic music, and during her hamfisted soliloquy at the end.
And I thought the cure would be darkness.
Those darned Illyrians! How dare they revolt against the Roman Empire.
You can use everyday transporters and in same time keep something or someone in buffer for months or years?
What about when ship was attacked or Turn off Systems like in last episode?
This was the first episode I really had a problem with. I have been very lax with my judgement of this series so far (I really want to enjoy it), but the end of this episode bothered me. Three scenes in a row involved someone confessing or being confronted about some mistake and no one was punished at all. No personal accountability. Una confesses to Pike about lying about her identity and status as an augment and he brushes it off completely because he likes her as his first officer. Una ignored the fact that her friend had hit her, which should have at least gotten her a reprimand. Sometimes TNG Picard let things slide, but not before dressing down the offending officer and making sure this mistake won't happen again. Una confronts Dr. M'Benga about his transporter shenanigans and how it nearly killed the crew, but she lets him go without even a warning. They just demonstrated that all the laws and regulations of the Federation and Starfleet can be thrown out the window whenever they want. Remember when Lt. Paris messed up and Janeway demoted him? Remember when Picard told Cadet Crusher that he needed to confess to authorities about what he and his classmates had done? Remember when Worf publicly disagreed with Data (who was in command at the time), and Data privately reprimanded him for it? Each of those officers was really important in their roles, but they were not spared the consequences of their actions. NOT punishing someone when they step out of line can have severe morale issues on a starship, and in general. E.g. "How come SHE got away with it but not me??? This captain is playing favorites!"
TLDR: This show doesn't seem to adhere to basic human reality, but clings to a broken ideal where people can do whatever they want, but not have any responsibility for the consequences unless it was good.
The aspect of mercy felt like a through back to old school Trek. I like that.
Nitpicking Nerd made a good point that the stand alone episode forces the show to be much better paced than Picard. I think this in fact holds true for many of the modern long arc TV shows.
When the bar has been dropped so low....even mediocre is 'good'.
I like your conclusion on how a Trek show might need some time (a season or 2) to get its bearings.
I recall an interview with the actress of Deanna Troy on how she half expected Picard to scream at Troy when she was 'stating the obvious about the crews state of mind' in a dry voice in an early voice.
I re watched the next generation a short while ago and you're right: it takes a while to get things rolling.
As for the way of talking.. well.. This is 2022..
Yeah every show except TOS took three seasons to get things sorted and 'grow its beard' (unlike TOS actually got worse) and that was when each show had 20+ episodes a season. We're only on episode 3 with a new cast (excluding Pike, Una and Spock.)
Another great video, thanks Dave
You missed the all female bridge at the start (minus the extras)
Nailed my thoughts exactly! Here's hoping.
Pike violated his oath of office. He would have to report Una(#1) to Starfleet.
do you have any thoughts on the Bobby Driscoll controversy ?
I wish they would tone down the technology just a little so it fits the time line better.
Hammer is the one Character I really do like.
ST hasn't been "high-brow, intellectual science fiction" since Alex Kurtzman got involved.
Also... does everyone on this show break rules all the time?
STD and Picard have set the bar so low that practically anything would be an improvement.
I had similar thoughts about Babylon5 when it first aired, until "And the sky full of stars". Difficult to see how strange new worlds can pull off such a gripping episode with ot a story arc.
When I pointed out on IMDB that this is basically a show about women in space and that only two white human male characters other than Pike got a line only to be rendered unconscious for the remainder of the episode my review was removed.
For me the only character so far that is a bit out of place is Erica Ortegas. She is given lines that make her feel like a Gen Z from our era and in so feels like she is not very Star Fleet professional. She could be a good character if her lines are a bit better.
I hate her haircut, but so far, all the characters have been written well. Spock is better in the third episode.
I could not agree with you more! Excellent analysis.
I figured out who or what those glowing creatures are on the planet. As for the virus, the source became obvious when you see the glowing plasma creatures, especially when they pose no risk. As for the plot twist of Una, that was a bit of a surprise, but not too much. As for the ending, I won't give it away, but it really is unnecessary. It's an interesting subplot but far too much of an issue in such a large ship. I might have accepted it in Star Trek Voyager given the size of the ship and the strange situation they were in, but not on Enterprise. As for how Una becomes the source for the recovery of the crue, yeah, well, whatever it needs to move the plot along. The series still shows promise, but I'm not giving much hope...yet. At least the standalone format is best.
SNW is cool so far. I rewatch the episodes. Maybe Khan blood is the answer.
Great points.
More like "Lights of Zetar" or the "Enterprise" episode where Trip was possessed by a spirit.
The fsct that Number One's backstory was lifted out of the D.C. Fontsns novel, "Vulcan's Glory," and not given its due credit leaves a foul odor. It would have had a lot more bonafides if they did so. Ah, these Nu-Trek writers...
Don't you mean 'The Ghost of Sunshine'?
I also noticed that Hemmer's antennae don't seem to move like Shran's did in Enterprise.
Glowing red light.... hum.... that sounds familiar where have I seen that before... oh that's right, Iron Man 3!
I thought the 2nd & 3rd episodes were better than the debut. But, I agree with your earlier video that this brings nothing new to the table. I do love Pike though. Yet, its shocking that absolutely no men are on the bridge crew, even with crew changes.
There is at least one other male on the side somewhere. I like Pike and La'an. I hope Spock continues to improve
So Barry and Cisco are on the planet, and Dr Wells tries to acquire a big ball of lava, but Frost stops him before he kills himself? This is the weirdest season of The Flash yet.
You're giving me some hope. After all, TNG and DS9 didn't exactly have stellar first seasons (Duet aside), but once they found their footing they were excellent. Here's hoping this is a similar situation
I like the characters so far, especially Pike and La'an. I hope Spock continues to improve. They need at least three strong and well acted characters.
sorry for telling you this but the series is not going to improve, they have to do all the interactions and woke characters, unless you are happy that the captain and spock are 90% in the shadow of women ... they have a agenda and they have to fulfill it, I don't know if it's part of Kurtzman or who but this is how it is
But at the time they were fine. It's looking at the big changes from 2nd season to third with TNG and around the same with DS9, although DS9 was a little slower. But, as you look at them now, first seasons of both were way weak. It's hind sight. But, when you look at the first season of the show as it's being made and say it's weak, then there's a problem.
@@ramirowendler I know, I call it the Lesbian Prison Yard. Really, look at them, they don't look very smart or pretty.
@@ramirowendler I don’t care if the characters are men or women if they are good characters and the stories are good. And the captain is a man so what’s the problem? Sounds more like you have a problem with women.
Even TNG had Deus ex machina endings, like Picard narrating to captain's log that they reverse engineered de-evolution and next shot everyone is back to normal.
Will you be reviewing Orville once it returns?
How did Una, or Number One, pass the Starfleet medical all cadets take in order to get into the academy, let alone the several more she would have taken in the years between then and being first officer of the Enterprise?
Before, there were some SciFi movies and TV series I enjoyed watching. From time to time, I would revisit these old favorites. In the end credits, there were some scientific sources listed, usually for consultation on technical aspects of the show. Surely this was to have some level of realism for the audience. It was good that the writers made an effort creating a thought provoking and entertaining story.
This latest Star Trek program has a long way to go in being just a good show. The sophomoric behavior of the characters, current vernacular spoken and reference to the recent medical crises is quite off-putting. Perhaps a Star Trek series made after The Next Generation ( decades or centuries later) may have been the better course of action. At least some fresh ideas could be created. I'm personally not keen on reinventing older material.
There is still room for improvement. We'll see if the franchise listens to what fans want to see in coming episodes.
Thanks again Dave for making a fair and critical review of the show. Cheers!
La'an could be a product of Khan and a concubine. Khan did say he was a prince in Star Trek II the wrath of Khan, or some other relative like a nice or second cousin.
IF Genetic engineering is Illegal in this world of Star Trek, How in the world did they not get in trouble in episode one of Strange New Worlds when they used genetic engineering to alter Pike's and Spock's, and La'an's appearance to match that of the alien species they were about to meet. And how did they know how to genetically alter them when they had never seen that race of aliens before and they weren't on any records or data bases.
Like with the Geneva Convention, genetic engineering for medical purposes is fine, but you cannot use it to improve someone beyond their original capabilities. Using it for cosmetic reasons probably straddles that line, but I assume the changes are made to be temporary, so I would give it a pass.
I thought this episode was by far the best overall. The series isnt great but it is far better then the other 2 of 3. I stomached my way through 2 seasons of Discovey and I went halfway through Picard season 1. The ending to this episode was very ex machina but I liked how the final message was a nod to not judging people without developing a full sense of the person. I felt the Number One character was kinda of a nod towards people who developed anti bodies towards Covid naturally versus people who had medical help. The whole episode while being a "Naked ______" rehash had a certain punch considering we are going through a pandemic.
Star trek died a long time ago.
What year?
RIP 🪦😭
Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan was having photo-gasms in Farscape long before this crap LOL
What other Trek tropes are coming ? A shuttle crash, a court martial, holodeck malfunction, evil twin, lost lover returns, captain gets mind controlled, warp engine runs wild...
Lol Hemer is my favorite character so far honestly. Dr. Obenga is also one of my favorites
Why was Uhura dressed like Guinan in bed? Another frying pan across face moment was, Number one casually carrying a colleague to sick bay, in slow motion. Go, Strong woman, go (away!) Stop giving Kurtzman Star Trek stuff!
Fun is good ... let's hope for Fun ! Good review. One reviewer said the show hits its stride by ep. 5, so I'm holding out till then, at least. Fun; at least the bridge and the uniforms are colorful 🙂This episode had a bit too much women for me, but it was mostly entertaining. #1 seems to walk/stride slowly/ deliberately when someone is beaming on board a piece of the planets magma or when shutting down the warp core. (!) I'd be running, but maybe she's more controlled and professional. (?) Keep the reviews coming ! 😀
Personally i don't really have a problem with the obligatory alien infection episode (most of the time). But it would have been nice to see a twist on the formula, like in the Babylon 5 episode 'Confessions and Lamentations'. Oh well. It's still better than Picard/Discovery so far.
Would you ever review lower decks
Excellent Vid 👍🖖
Here's a plot hole/trope episode 1.3 unintentionally solves: Scotty's continual underestimating of the Enterprise's capabilities. Una secretly sets up a hidden power drain on the warp core for Dr. M'Benga, then when Scotty later joins Engineering (before becoming Chief of Engineering) he would observe and rate the ship's capabilities at that less than optimal level thinking that is the best it can do, i.e. thinking the 95% performance is actually 100% performance. Then when Una and M'Benga rotate out and presumably remove the secret power drain without his knowing, it would be to him that suddenly the ship performs better for no discernible reason, which he wouldn't ever count on because he can't explain it. AND to Kirk, who has also been present for the secret power drain, would later just credit better than previous "best" performance to Scotty as a great engineer, his so-called miracle worker. Solved!
I'm curious what your thoughts are on season 2 of Picard. Personally, I feel it started strong with the first episode but quickly regressed to and surpassed the terribleness of season 1.
I tapped out of Noo Hurr Durr Trek a long time ago.
Your sentiments are much like mine. I did see many parallels between these episodes and the more classic Trek shows. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Plasma storms, viruses, etc. are all part of the universe that was previously built. We need a causality loop episode where “I don’t think we can start second guessing ourselves.” But as long as they take the characters somewhere while keeping it more Trek I think I’ll be alright. I don’t think a whole lot of people really wanted the gritty shows they were coming out with. Evidently Hollywood has a whole lot of disposable capital to waste on multiple seasons of bad shows though.
From what I'm seeing here from the first episodes, strange new worlds is "The Force Awakens" of star trek. Or am I mistaken?
So I take it there are no stasis containers in the JJVerse?
...the "Writers" should all have their pencils confiscated...
I like the show Dave, the only new Trek bearable to watch. Hopefully they will find their footing and improve; TNG didn't really get good til season 3.
Well said!!
A blind engineer is the stupidest thing ever thought of.