Best rotary engine tuners are from Puerto Rico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. These four countries have the best rotaries of the world . I cannot say that pistons engines are lame cause they are not , V8 are torque monsters , but the rotary engine its a mechanical wonder. Keep rotaries alive and let them give hell to all piston engines around the world. Peace out.
Dayum!,, Alot Of Power!!,, They All Look Like Old Model Cars,, But The Way Take Off is Mind Blowing!!,, Plus The Sound is Too Roaring,, I Mean,, Its Very Loud And Blasting, But You Can Hear The Superiority!
I did watch the video, take note as one of the "blade seals" by the time it makes one full rotaion, 3 explosions have happened. that only turns the crank 1/3 so it takes 3 revolutions to spin it once. thats 3 revolutions, times 3 explosions, 9 explosions per revolution.
You got that right budd Rafaelito is old school back in the days he was kicking ass really bad in Baby Pro copetition and still is. For me the best cars of all time is Rafaelito and Sakura period.
actually you're mainly right, except you need to remember that the eccentric shaft on the rotary engine is offset on the gear teeth, look at a video of one in motion and you'll see that the rotary kind of hoola-hoops around the eccentric shaft, and because of that offset that's why you get a 1/3 powerstroke, if the rotor was spinning at the exact same speed as the eccentric shaft then you would have what you are saying, but the offset is needed to have compression, combustion etc, ^_^
Hahah rotary For life!!!!! You know damn well Rotary engines are the best. This engine was made for racing and racing only. Now this engine will be remade into somthign for the economy.
Yes I under stand that its a completely different principal, but the triangle make a power cycle every rotation just as a two stroke makes its power stroke every revolution... Less moving parts and higher output just as a two stroke as well...
Now that i think about it, i wonder how a 6 rotor with equal displacement to V8's would hold up. it would definetly weigh alot more though. either way, i'll always be a fan of V8's. theres more to the engine than just the power it puts out.
Rotaries are highly durable when done right. The rotarys unreciprocating movement eliminates the energy loss that occurs in piston engines (the piston fully stops 4 times per a full working cycle in a piston engine). And the loss of compression is replaced with a denser amount of working strokes. This makes the rotary totaly suck at fuel efficiency, but its size-power ratio is unbeatable. I highly doubt that you have enough experience about engines that you could make such statements as you did.
yeah i don't know how the measure the displacement of them, but it doesnt have to do with combustion chambers. in a piston engine its the cylinder displacement from TDC to BDC. anyways, i'm pretty sure the rotary's get about 9 explosions in by the time the crankshaft turns once completely. (9th at the 360* crank mark). if every time the rotor spins around all the way, 3 explosions happen, and it takes 3 rotations to turn the crank once, 3x3=9.
You have to consider the amount of money that has been put into the development of the otto-cycle engine. Mazda has funded the development of the rotary by them selfs. I think that if the same amount of money was put into developing the rotary further it would be equal or maybe even better than the otto-cycle engine. This is my opinion though :)
actually, rotary's have a 1/3rd power stroke, while a regular 4 stroke piston engine is 1/4 power stroke, this means that the span of 12 full cycles (12 being the lowest common Den) Rotary is 4 power strokes per 12 turns, and piston engine is 3 power strokes per 12 turns. A two stroke piston engine actually would get 6 power strokes per 12 turns. but don't get me wrong i LOVE rotary's your information is just wrong. ^_^
@HyperFoxIII it might in a quarter tbf... single twine motors, with littleturbines giving high voltage and amplitude could give a LOT of torque, all of which is instintaneous, and you would have 1 gear so no worries about changing... good idea, just make sure you have a few AA batteries spare :)
lololololol. The FD RX-7 rotary engine is 1.3 liters. You can't compare it to a standard V8, its two totally different things. However, I do have a crazy idea to basically combine the two to make a variable displacement rotary, its in the works ;)
@nathanpisces Yeah, I wasn't sure since rotary out-performs piston engines. There was this one electric drag car called "White Zombie" and that made me think about it. It beat a lot of muscle cars with piston engines so I wasn't sure if it could beat cars with rotary engines.
The best Rotary Engines in the world are made in PUERTO RICO, the fastest rotary car in the world is from Puerto Rico the fastest 4 banger(pistons) in the world is from PR, the fastest VW in the world with a Rotary engine is from PR. need I say more.....
the thing with rotor engines is that they dont waste momemtum trying to swicth the piston movement up and down. all rotors do is go in a circle, since rotors are in a circle they can go up to very reidiculusly high RPMS. so s small rotor can out perform a big ass V8, Also the compression ratio is ridiculiusly high as well.
@FourSidedPiston I agree. Comparing Gen 1 or Gen 2 rotaries to modern piston engines is pointless as piston engines are in the Gen 20 range. However comparing the changes in performance and relilability from Gen 1 to Gen 2 of both roteries and piston would be a valid comparison. In this instance the rotary would trash pistons. Rotarines in drag racing however will never lead to reliability changes Paris to Dakar, Baja and the like will lead to both performance and reliability increases.
@HyperFoxIII well, V8's and i-6's have lots of torque low down, and with turboes, or superchargers can get a lot of power low down and quickly put it down. Electrics would give a very good fight, i prefer pistons than rotary though, and i'd back up pistons though lol
I'm so sorry you are wrong. The BMW F1 made 1500HP with an 1.6L. Using the Garret F1 turbo and a boost of 3,7bar almost 4!!! And by the way, the most power per litre without turbo or comp. and normal gas is 400hp.
@Tj1056 Nope, still watching the right one. Yes they put out a lot of torque if there highly modded as the ones in this video are, but at stock they put out around 150 lb-ft. Many v8's can do well over 500 lb-ft with no mod's at all. Don't get me wrong, these are fascinating engines, they just are not all there cracked up to be.
That's true MrPlodz. Is that why they have more spark plugs? I bought my first rotary a couple years ago. I like coz its different. I find that its like a two stroke bike. U all probably know that. Oops looks like I butted in on a disscusion. I'll just post anyway
Rotaries perform extremely well for their displacement, and are a very smooth responsive engine, however, They are unreliable, chew through gas and i dont personally like the sound of them the way some idiots port them and make them pulse around town. they are a clever design, but impractical for road use in my opinion.
@mattg889 sorry but you are mistaken they put down 217 ib-ft. on a very light vehicle so it will still match that of a v8 in its stock form... but we are not looking at stock cars here.... these are running 7 seconds... faster then most v8s can do... also the funny thing is a rotary with its 217 Ib-ft. can still beat a 500 Ib-ft. v8 with no problem
@Tj1056 I must be, You lost me, Did i forget to mention my Taurus is a v6, not a v8, my bad. and actually my Taurus is closely matched to that 13b-rew engine. I know the rotary is a powerful engine, but they just lack the torque output to really shine, They don't have enough of a "stroke" during the cycle, it is just that simple. You will never get that extra burst of speed when shifting from 4th to 5th at 90 mph @3000 rpm (not 8000) like my Taurus does. not without mods anyway.
If it has power different of 4-stroke it doesnt mean its 2-stroke. Rotary is rotary, rotary power, better power than any piston engine. (Excluding Top Fuellers... I wonder, what like would a rotary top fuel engine be? In the racing standards, top fuel 500cu.inch rotary friggin 14000hp or something...)
@Tj1056 Yes it comes stock, they purposely design it into the engine because it desperately needs it to be a comparable engine! If I were to put a turbo in my Taurus then suddenly it would again exceed that engine... You have to compare apples to apples here...
yer but a rotary fires 3 times every cycle so even though they have the same capacity the rotary is going to obviously win as it will fire 3 times compared to the 1 of the piston. So it will be 3 times more powerful.
mazda 787b, with the 26b rotary engine was a 2.6 litre rotary engine naturally aspirated and put out 900 bhp. lets see a v8 do that, plus, the unfortunate rep of the rotary about how its not reliable is false. it really depends on the owner and how he maintains his vehicle. my last rx7 had 246,000 km's on it and ran like a top
some of those things, accel so fast some drivers pass out, ive riden in a 505hp vette before and yes it sucked me in the seat and spun the tires to 90mph but i never felt like passing out, so a 1500hp car i think is WAY too much, unless u want to shit your pants every time you drive:)
ya i can sorta see what ur gettin at but i still have one concern with what you are saying... A piston will only fire once every cycle (yes being every 1/4) whereas a rotary will fire 3 times every cycle. So shouldnt we times this 1/3 by 3? as there are three power strokes every cycle? So 4 stroke is like - - BANG- and rotary BANG BANG BANG BANG am i right in saying this? or is it different when there is more than 1 piston in the 4 stroke engine??
the ones on 1:42min on this vid were V8 engines -->6 secconds wow i'd stay with the V8 engines ... but i joust love how the rotary engines sound they are also easier to repair .....lol
Thought i might add again that the Blue WRX at the start runs an EG33 6 cylinder boxer motor, not a rotary. actually is RWD too. Fastest one in the world.
Limitations? you can alter the rotor to burn more efficiently, lighter weight, turbo it, & quite a few other things that add MASSIVE amounts of power, the power/weight ratio for a rotary is much higher than conventional piston engines..... NO IT DOESNT last as long, why? because all that power takes a toll on the limits of the block..... unless you spend insane amounts of money to have carbon steel replacing everthing.
Are you sure? i think they're 3's but hey what do i know i don't own a rotary so whatever. if not, then whats the displacement of the 3 rotor Mazda rotary? wouldn't they use 3 to balance it?
Nothing beats the sound of a rotary full blast :D
the rotarys has an very special idle and sound and an can get over 8000 rpm redline! love the sound!
Best rotary engine tuners are from Puerto Rico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. These four countries have the best rotaries of the world . I cannot say that pistons engines are lame cause they are not , V8 are torque monsters , but the rotary engine its a mechanical wonder. Keep rotaries alive and let them give hell to all piston engines around the world. Peace out.
God fucking damn! I love the sound of a rotary at idle!!! They just sound so ballsy!
it sounds like a dc motor but it is a cool concept. V8s will never go down.
Dayum!,, Alot Of Power!!,, They All Look Like Old Model Cars,, But The Way Take Off is Mind Blowing!!,, Plus The Sound is Too Roaring,, I Mean,, Its Very Loud And Blasting, But You Can Hear The Superiority!
The rotary is the MOST POWERFUL engine ever made. And thats a FACT.
That last one is a monster, 7.27, holy crap!
Rotary. Superior torque and power. AWESOME
Nice to see some drag racing without v8 power for a change. They are damn fast too! Great vid :)
oh my god!!! that last one was a supreme monster
I did watch the video, take note as one of the "blade seals" by the time it makes one full rotaion, 3 explosions have happened. that only turns the crank 1/3 so it takes 3 revolutions to spin it once. thats 3 revolutions, times 3 explosions, 9 explosions per revolution.
that last car goes through it in style lol
wooooouu, I see a Puertorican rotary representing the Island,
You got that right budd Rafaelito is old school back in the days he was kicking ass really bad in Baby Pro copetition and still is. For me the best cars of all time is Rafaelito and Sakura period.
actually you're mainly right, except you need to remember that the eccentric shaft on the rotary engine is offset on the gear teeth, look at a video of one in motion and you'll see that the rotary kind of hoola-hoops around the eccentric shaft, and because of that offset that's why you get a 1/3 powerstroke, if the rotor was spinning at the exact same speed as the eccentric shaft then you would have what you are saying, but the offset is needed to have compression, combustion etc, ^_^
I freaking love rotary engines so bad!!
Yeah i go to this event every year, an i live in Adelaide so i gotta fly to Brisbane same time every year, Awsummmmm!!!
That white skylines the bees knees!
wow, would like to see that last guy have a clean run.
i didnt knew that ford crown victoria can be a drag car too..
lol
great vid bro!nice
Not wrong about the gas mileage or the trolls, and I do so love my FD!
damn rotary engines are insane
They are baisicly like two strokes. monstress power and high rpm.
Hahah rotary For life!!!!!
You know damn well Rotary engines are the best. This engine was made for racing and racing only. Now this engine will be remade into somthign for the economy.
its a shame we dont see much rotars on the sydney streets anymore!
Yes I under stand that its a completely different principal, but the triangle make a power cycle every rotation just as a two stroke makes its power stroke every revolution... Less moving parts and higher output just as a two stroke as well...
Now that i think about it, i wonder how a 6 rotor with equal displacement to V8's would hold up. it would definetly weigh alot more though. either way, i'll always be a fan of V8's. theres more to the engine than just the power it puts out.
Rotaries are highly durable when done right. The rotarys unreciprocating movement eliminates the energy loss that occurs in piston engines (the piston fully stops 4 times per a full working cycle in a piston engine). And the loss of compression is replaced with a denser amount of working strokes. This makes the rotary totaly suck at fuel efficiency, but its size-power ratio is unbeatable. I highly doubt that you have enough experience about engines that you could make such statements as you did.
yeah i don't know how the measure the displacement of them, but it doesnt have to do with combustion chambers. in a piston engine its the cylinder displacement from TDC to BDC. anyways, i'm pretty sure the rotary's get about 9 explosions in by the time the crankshaft turns once completely. (9th at the 360* crank mark). if every time the rotor spins around all the way, 3 explosions happen, and it takes 3 rotations to turn the crank once, 3x3=9.
smoking tires always look awesome
they are actually as reliable as it gets.
just gotta have an owner with a brain to take care of it
mazda success at 24 hour lemans proves my facts.
all kinds of Power right there
You have to consider the amount of money that has been put into the development of the otto-cycle engine. Mazda has funded the development of the rotary by them selfs. I think that if the same amount of money was put into developing the rotary further it would be equal or maybe even better than the otto-cycle engine. This is my opinion though :)
actually, rotary's have a 1/3rd power stroke, while a regular 4 stroke piston engine is 1/4 power stroke, this means that the span of 12 full cycles (12 being the lowest common Den) Rotary is 4 power strokes per 12 turns, and piston engine is 3 power strokes per 12 turns. A two stroke piston engine actually would get 6 power strokes per 12 turns. but don't get me wrong i LOVE rotary's your information is just wrong. ^_^
@HyperFoxIII it might in a quarter tbf... single twine motors, with littleturbines giving high voltage and amplitude could give a LOT of torque, all of which is instintaneous, and you would have 1 gear so no worries about changing... good idea, just make sure you have a few AA batteries spare :)
The puerto ricans in there went hard both cars launched so hard
lololololol.
The FD RX-7 rotary engine is 1.3 liters. You can't compare it to a standard V8, its two totally different things. However, I do have a crazy idea to basically combine the two to make a variable displacement rotary, its in the works ;)
@nathanpisces Yeah, I wasn't sure since rotary out-performs piston engines. There was this one electric drag car called "White Zombie" and that made me think about it. It beat a lot of muscle cars with piston engines so I wasn't sure if it could beat cars with rotary engines.
2:09- 2:17 is the worlds fastest evo. it was featured in super street or import tuner awhile back and run 7 something.
I looked it up, i was right. 3 strokes per revolution, 9 strokes per crank revolution.
=)
The best Rotary Engines in the world are made in PUERTO RICO, the fastest rotary car in the world is from Puerto Rico the fastest 4 banger(pistons) in the world is from PR, the fastest VW in the world with a Rotary engine is from PR. need I say more.....
the thing with rotor engines is that they dont waste momemtum trying to swicth the piston movement up and down. all rotors do is go in a circle, since rotors are in a circle they can go up to very reidiculusly high RPMS. so s small rotor can out perform a big ass V8, Also the compression ratio is ridiculiusly high as well.
@FourSidedPiston I agree. Comparing Gen 1 or Gen 2 rotaries to modern piston engines is pointless as piston engines are in the Gen 20 range. However comparing the changes in performance and relilability from Gen 1 to Gen 2 of both roteries and piston would be a valid comparison. In this instance the rotary would trash pistons. Rotarines in drag racing however will never lead to reliability changes Paris to Dakar, Baja and the like will lead to both performance and reliability increases.
Its really hard for V8 fans to accept the fact that rotarys have more power... as you have probably noticed.
@ynoht25 they're not necessarily that unreliable if well maintained. But maintenance can be expensive.
12 people dont like it because they live next to the track
I love rotary engines
@HyperFoxIII well, V8's and i-6's have lots of torque low down, and with turboes, or superchargers can get a lot of power low down and quickly put it down. Electrics would give a very good fight, i prefer pistons than rotary though, and i'd back up pistons though lol
wow o.o they launch really quick
hey bro, tu tienes un srt-4 tambien jajah fiebru!!! yo tengo uno en NC...saludos!
that s*** just goes man !
I'm so sorry you are wrong. The BMW F1 made 1500HP with an 1.6L. Using the Garret F1 turbo and a boost of 3,7bar almost 4!!! And by the way, the most power per litre without turbo or comp. and normal gas is 400hp.
AWESOME!!!
f6????? damn...so sick
this video is bad ass.
I knew there has to be puerto ricans there !
we have the fastes rotary cars in the world!
Seems like traction makes a huge difference here
@Tj1056 Nope, still watching the right one. Yes they put out a lot of torque if there highly modded as the ones in this video are, but at stock they put out around 150 lb-ft. Many v8's can do well over 500 lb-ft with no mod's at all.
Don't get me wrong, these are fascinating engines, they just are not all there cracked up to be.
i'm pretty sure devil drives something with a rotary engine.
insane!!! im new to this stuff but what is rotary and how can you get a v8 to this spec???????
That's true MrPlodz. Is that why they have more spark plugs? I bought my first rotary a couple years ago. I like coz its different. I find that its like a two stroke bike. U all probably know that.
Oops looks like I butted in on a disscusion. I'll just post anyway
5:27 is a beast :o
fuckin sick
rotary engines are incredible
many claps for mazda
Rotaries perform extremely well for their displacement, and are a very smooth responsive engine, however, They are unreliable, chew through gas and i dont personally like the sound of them the way some idiots port them and make them pulse around town. they are a clever design, but impractical for road use in my opinion.
the best thing in this video is the STAIDEL the red datsun from puerto rico
@Tj1056 Yea with a turbo, that's a mod. My Taurus has nothing, all stock, its a plane old 4 door sedan.
@mattg889 sorry but you are mistaken they put down 217 ib-ft. on a very light vehicle so it will still match that of a v8 in its stock form... but we are not looking at stock cars here.... these are running 7 seconds... faster then most v8s can do... also the funny thing is a rotary with its 217 Ib-ft. can still beat a 500 Ib-ft. v8 with no problem
8 big pistons= 500 bhp
4 triangles= 700 bhp and 100 kg less :p
Love Rorary
its not the engine its the operator, look at how mazda performed with it, knight motorsports, feed etc etc
@Tj1056 I must be, You lost me, Did i forget to mention my Taurus is a v6, not a v8, my bad. and actually my Taurus is closely matched to that 13b-rew engine.
I know the rotary is a powerful engine, but they just lack the torque output to really shine, They don't have enough of a "stroke" during the cycle, it is just that simple. You will never get that extra burst of speed when shifting from 4th to 5th at 90 mph @3000 rpm (not 8000) like my Taurus does. not without mods anyway.
If it has power different of 4-stroke it doesnt mean its 2-stroke. Rotary is rotary, rotary power, better power than any piston engine. (Excluding Top Fuellers... I wonder, what like would a rotary top fuel engine be? In the racing standards, top fuel 500cu.inch rotary friggin 14000hp or something...)
That serbian empire "tori xu1" is bannanaz
@Tj1056 Yes it comes stock, they purposely design it into the engine because it desperately needs it to be a comparable engine! If I were to put a turbo in my Taurus then suddenly it would again exceed that engine...
You have to compare apples to apples here...
Or noisy. At least after one day at Santa Pod I couldn't hear my missus naggin' me for two months.
@Tj1056 yes you read right, NO TORQUE, look at how f-ing tiny those cars are. It doesn't take much to make them go!
turbo rotary the best
yer but a rotary fires 3 times every cycle so even though they have the same capacity the rotary is going to obviously win as it will fire 3 times compared to the 1 of the piston. So it will be 3 times more powerful.
oh noes blown apex seals!
@Tj1056 Interesting, I just noticed in the description, some of them cars are actually v8's as well...
@Tj1056 actually I'm mistaken these are pushing out a lot more torque something like 1500-1700 pounds of torque
you do realise in that first vid that the 20B rotary Smashed it in take off and only lost because it didn't bother continuing
mazda 787b, with the 26b rotary engine was a 2.6 litre rotary engine naturally aspirated and put out 900 bhp. lets see a v8 do that, plus, the unfortunate rep of the rotary about how its not reliable is false. it really depends on the owner and how he maintains his vehicle. my last rx7 had 246,000 km's on it and ran like a top
some of those things, accel so fast some drivers pass out, ive riden in a 505hp vette before and yes it sucked me in the seat and spun the tires to 90mph but i never felt like passing out, so a 1500hp car i think is WAY too much, unless u want to shit your pants every time you drive:)
@TD625G
Except that Rigoli doesn't mess around with EG/EZ series.
ya i can sorta see what ur gettin at but i still have one concern with what you are saying... A piston will only fire once every cycle (yes being every 1/4) whereas a rotary will fire 3 times every cycle. So shouldnt we times this 1/3 by 3? as there are three power strokes every cycle?
So 4 stroke is like - - BANG-
and rotary BANG BANG BANG BANG
am i right in saying this? or is it different when there is more than 1 piston in the 4 stroke engine??
i forgot to mention that some people actually drive with 4 rotor engines, i dont see cars cruising down the street with piston based f1 engines
still it would be nice to know that you can leave in the dust that car that is tailgating you.
@Tj1056 Yes, which is comparable to a 2.6 piston engine...
i heard that the rotary sistem doesn't provide as much torque as a piston engine but compensates by rpms
i thought rotary engines werent as powerful.. i thought they were decent lightweight engines.. but after this video.. fucckk! thats redic
supposedly the 787B had one problem with an apex seal
I agree, unless it's an NSX.
You mean those flashing lights haha
the ones on 1:42min on this vid were V8 engines -->6 secconds wow i'd stay with the V8 engines ...
but i joust love how the rotary engines sound they are also easier to repair .....lol
Thought i might add again that the Blue WRX at the start runs an EG33 6 cylinder boxer motor, not a rotary. actually is RWD too. Fastest one in the world.
Limitations? you can alter the rotor to burn more efficiently, lighter weight, turbo it, & quite a few other things that add MASSIVE amounts of power, the power/weight ratio for a rotary is much higher than conventional piston engines..... NO IT DOESNT last as long, why? because all that power takes a toll on the limits of the block..... unless you spend insane amounts of money to have carbon steel replacing everthing.
@mattg889 except for the fact that the fd3s comes stock with twin turbo...
Are you sure? i think they're 3's but hey what do i know i don't own a rotary so whatever. if not, then whats the displacement of the 3 rotor Mazda rotary? wouldn't they use 3 to balance it?
nice!
@AYEcorolla - what you mean? they're messing around with that '33. Btw, what is an EZ?