@@abliviustrey do i look like an F1 expert? XD nah, I'm a pleb who liked F1 10 years ago and this reminded me of them. Obviously can't sound the exact same, it's different tech but still sounds nice
@@raikkappa23 The only thing that beat it is an electric motor but the weight of batteries seriously add up and don’t last that long. I had an electric RC car that could do 100mph but only lasted like 20 minutes.
Imagine the sound if it was a 4 rotor. He should get 4 of them and stack them on each other let me just use this opportunity to advertise my latest TH-cam video 😅
If only it was that simple. You can easily stack the housings and "irons", but the shaft will be almost impossible to make without some serious equippment and knowledge. When you go beyond two rotors the shaft needs to be made in several parts that go together during assembly. You would also need some sort og bearing support in the middle for the shaft. JohnnyQ90 managed to make a 2 rotor shaft himself after several tries and he has years and years of experience with machining small parts. A 3 or 4 rotor shaft would probably be 5 times for dufficult than the 2 rotor shaft he made.
@@bennyb.1742 I have nothing but respect for Dahm. His passion towards rotaries/RX-7 runs so obviously deep and he's utilized TH-cam perfectly to fund it. And he isn't afraid to show the mistakes he makes along the way when building his dream car and learning new things.
They have. The small ones are as trash as the fullsize wankels. Os engines made them for planes and countless of them made it into cars. Much like the full size counterpart seals burnt up quickly and compression crapped out. They also have no torque and are turds.
Flooded at start up, melting plugs and exhaust fell off. Yes that definitely is a rotary. Surely not making any compression at low rpm. Lack of side seals and housing to rotor clearance allowing blow by. Btw that is pretty cool!
Most rotaries don't make good cold compression, the internal operating temps are high especially around the exhaust ports so they have to design them so that the clearances are right at operating temp. Piston engines get around this with ring gap, Mazda uses spring loaded corner seals to give the apex seals space to expand. Also like you said, no side seals but it might just not be feasible to make side seals for something this small. Even in a 13b the side seals are thin and fragile, they would probably look like strands of hair for this thing lol. Looks like there's thin metal plates that go between the rotor and 'irons' that may be an attempt to create some sort of consumable side seal that covers the entire side of the rotor face instead of being recessed into the rotor itself. Probably good enough for something like this, seemed like it was ripping pretty good once it got warmed up. Probably didn't help that he disassembled it, dropped some pieces, then put it back together in a dirty environment. Even a tiny bit of grit would clear itself out but put scratches in all the sealing surfaces on its way through...
@@Joebobinator your dead on about everything except the disassembly, see what I didn't show was I tried 30 times to start this engine, it wouldn't start had absolutely no compression, then I proceeded to disassemble the engine and I found a completely seized Apex seal. None of the parts were dropped. But yeah I'm going to upload that as a separate video on my other channel and share it here.
In this micro application I wonder if a one piece circular side seal could work to help mitigate the blow by and add compression, similar in position to the oil seals on a 13b. It could sit just inside the bottom edge of the apex seal slot. Trevor, Mazda used 2 and 3 piece apex seals in the majority of their production engines which allowed the seal to cope with thermal expansion and self clearanced between the irons/side plates. The corner seals where there because the side and apex seal had too much dissimilar movement and allowed tighter clearance. The important tolerances on 2 and 3 piece seal engines arethe apex slot to apex seal, the side seal to corner seal, and the corner seal to corner seal slot. I used to build 13bs and some what reliably made around 450rwhp with them on pump gas. Now with a 1 piece seal like was used in 12A and ceramics in racing applications you had to clearance the apex seal to the rotor housing width. But 2a d 3 piece seals self clearanced.
@@jmuench420 One you MUST redline them every drive, basically being gentle with a rotary is like severe abuse for piston engine. The problem is you have idiots thinking its a "cute car" and then not making it scream like a warzone going down the street and wonder why it was totaled in under 20k miles when the guy burning tires on the track has 0 maintenance other than basic stuff and getting 100+k miles out of his (which is incredible compared to piston engines being raced). Its just like a jet engine, you need to treat them completely different. You can still destroy piston engine just as easy, like this guy didn't use water in it for several minutes at full throttle, just try that in your car (but actually don't). You can also destroy 4 strokes very easy too going too high rpm bending valves (unless its flat head, which is why I love old flathead engines because you can bypass governor and other than warping the cylinders from over-heating they don't really seem to mind)
I can already imagine a vehicle with like a hundred of those engines connected together somehow, the sound of millions of angry bees and a ton of fuel per mile 😎😁
@@jg8263 everybodys like wow thats amazing... and then the engine failure hits and then they be like told u so u stoopid for building something like that
Looks like you're also losing a bit of compression at the glow plug too. Could see oil bubbling from the seal. Very cool engine, can't wait to see what you do with it.
Just from what he showed he barely put this thing back together. Exhaust falling off isn't a lolol rotaries suck, that's you not bolting shit on. Dropping parts in a filthy environment, flywheel not centered and wobbling all over, no engine load so it's spinning to double the RPM it's rated for... Looks like a cool engine but man this dude is handling it poorly
Ok so most people don't know this but the the rotor spins at about 1/3 the speed and the crankshaft, often called an E-shaft. So it's less impressive when you think of that. But still that little dorito chip spinning at 10k RPMs is still awesome
there was a diesel one made by Rolls Royce with two rotors two stages (bigger and smaller) where bigger rotor was a supercharger to a small rotor to rise compression and allow diesel to ignite.
@@H3110NU technically if you take the total displacement of all three sides of the rotors the 13b is actually 3.9l of displacement. They only advertised it as a 1.3l because A. People didnt understand them so they can get away with only using the displacement of one side of the rotor, and B. They got into a different emissions regulation and racing classes for small 1.3l vs a big 3.9l.
BS. Some engines aren’t assembled in the factory with sufficient care and a knowledgeable owner can clean up (“blueprint”) and reassemble the engine to better than new. Now if a ham-fisted gorilla that has only Visegrips and hammers tears into one, well, no more needs to be said.
I agree with tech, I love this guy and what he does but this one was just too bad sorry I mean he couldn't get it to idle, and he always gets stuff to fully function. lol
@@tatundra6405 clearly you’ve never really worked on a rotary. All that he went through us rotary guys go thru on a daily. Cold starts are real. They can’t go long without apart is also real. If that little guy had a turbo it’s life expectancy is cut in have and the propellers are probably melted. That’s the general nature of a wankel. Mazda couldn’t get it right from factory to keep it in perspective but it was good enough to sell to the public.
@@subifudriftkings Agreed, as the owner of a few rotaries and currently an Rx8 at ~250k miles with 3 engine rebuilds all of this is normal. The internal clearances don't tighten up until it's warm so they hate cold starts even with modern computerized fuel injection. This looks like a pretty rudimentary carburetor setup, of course it's gonna hate starting. Also I was cringing the whole time he ripped it apart in a filthy environment, dirty hands, dropping parts, not bolting things back together right, and expecting it to run perfectly? The exhaust fell off ffs, that's not "rotaries suck lolol" that's you not bolting shit together. Also super bad for the exhaust ports which are already the weak point for most rotaries, the heat buildup is bad enough even with good header flow. Also, please center that flywheel and put either a heavier one or some load on the engine. This is like taking an LS, leaving the balancer and flywheel off, removing the rpm limiter from the tune, then starting it with your foot on the floor and expecting it to go well. If you want to spin anything to 1000 rpm let alone 30,000 rpm you had better make sure it's balanced. This little engine is cool but man this guy is handling it poorly. Even if it wasn't a rotary he should take a little better care of it especially for a demonstration. Also their technical manual says it's only supposed to run to 16,500 rpm. Go take a Honda motor, rip it apart in a sandbox, put it back together just enough to run, then spin it to 15,000 rpm and see what happens...
Thats amazing. Bet it cost a pretty penny I would love to have this just as a ornament on my shelf to play around with time to time. Love your channel man.
@@Deep42Thought I'm not sure who pays $60k for a 4 rotor though, my RX-8 was $3250, so buy two whole cars (plenty of spares that way in case you wreck on the track), and you're at $7k plus probably less than $53,000 for someone to bolt two together. Also note the rotary is one of the easier engines to do that too, I chatted with a guy who built a 12 rotor engine from 6x RX-7 engines (I think it had 12 turbochargers in total), and then he sold it to fund his next new project build and toy. Its probably just about as expensive to turbocharge them, just the exhaust manifold was like $3k a year ago (its since gone down a lot, and yeah you could weld one yourself but I'm referring to just bolt together options). Then you have to find a tuner that specializes in turbo rotaries. Its cool, but its a mess.
While I love Wankel engines (I had the OS back in the day) and I like your vids.... I think all you showed us is that these "Import" companies are making cool... but crappy engines. I've see so many that may start... but will have a very short life... or do not run well enough to actually be used in a model. Regardless... keep up the good work.
Looks like a display engine to me, just like the mini v8... It's not intended to run a model. It'll "run", but I wouldn't actually run it... Just put it on a shelf or a desk.
@@volvo09 plenty of people have put these toyan engines in models and run them. At the same time keep in mind he took it apart and dropped the seals. Apex seals and springs are sensitive as it. That did no favors.
Toyan Engines are very reliable if you know how to tune a carb. I have a few Rc rock crawlers with them and also a 1/8 scale monster truck with a 4 cylinder Toyan engine they all run flawless. .
@@volvo09 So why worry about making it functional then? It's either a display (Cheap) or a runner. I totally get what you are saying... but if they sell it as a running engine... then it should run, and be built well enough to be used for a reasonable amount of time. Let's face it... Glow Fuel is 20% oil... so stuff will get lubed. They need to use good materials, and build them to a good standard.
Wow, as usual with your posts, I love this thing. I was thinking a custom 3 rotor would be sweet for an RC! Also, nice Rob reference 👍 I’m sure he would like this rotary too.
This is amazing. This is why I love TH-cam. Tonight I learned more about how a rotary engine works and saw a see-through jet engine on your channel. I hope they show your videos in schools. 😄🙌
Toyan keeps impressing the hell outta me. This is incredible! I'm a die hard nitro rc guy.. Been restoring vintage nitros for some time now. Man these Toyan models are so impressive!
I owned a 1985 RX7 it was either a 12a or b, don't remember.I broke the Speedometer, raising to work,I beat some chev V8', and Nissan truck,lost to a '98 tricked out V6 Camaro,it was a lil beast,. Finally blew the motor 😅. Sexy lil Car.
An old gunsmith trick when you have parts that may pop out do the work inside a clear plastic bag. Might not be conducive to filming but you'll contain your parts. I learned this after looking for a tiny spring for two hours. :)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR THIS INCREDIBLE DEMO!!!! I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME MICRO SIZED, OPPOSED PISTON, DIESEL 2-CYCLE, ENGINES BE DEVELOPED FOR MARINE USE (TROLLING MOTORS!!!!!!
Love your work mate, great stuff, when you got it on a lower idle that lumpy rotor sound was identical to the road cars. While it's still nearly new you might want to measure up and machine a few rotor housings as spares, better apex seals will make it run much better but it will also wear out your housings faster
Pretty cool! Looks like you need to get some sort of exhaust seal going on there with all that ooz. EDIT: Sounds like it's WAY too rich. If you get the right air fuel ratio as well as better compression, it would help the rpms. But 30,000???? That's sick!
Rotary engine speed specifications are defined differently than on other motor types. On a typical rotary there are three combustion events for each revolution of the crankshaft. While there may be 30,000 combustion events per minute for this demo, the actual RPMs of the crankshaft will be one third of that... 10,000 RPMs.
@@martinhirsch94 sorry my dude but the output ratio of the engine 1:3 meaning the crankshaft turns 3 times as fast as the engine. so the crank is doing 30k and the engine is doing 10k
I would have taken it apart after running it. I feel it was compromised from being taken apart as the head surface torque, gaskets, flywheel position, Apex seals and springs are very sensitive. Would be nice to see one that hasn't been tampered with run.
One thing everybody on TH-cam is teaching me I can't leave any Stones unturned. So I did run it before taking it apart, or at least I tried, the only reason I took it apart is because it didn't have any compression and a Apex seal was stuck. Guarantee you I can make this engine run better than it comes from the factory. I have built hundreds of rotary engines including peripheral port and Bridgeport, this engine is a piece of cake compared to a real rotary that has corner seal side seals two-piece Apex seals with springs, you have no idea unless you've actually built a real rotary, the seals are a pain in the butt. This engine piece of cake there's really nothing you can mess up unless you lose some parts.
@@WarpedYT , Matt, how tight was your engine as received? Mine has zero chance of running as the stainless plates are sprung inward towards the rotor. This engine needs a major overhaul before it can seal properly and run as intended. What happened to your cooling fittings?
hey at 5:29 theres a pin at the top corner of the engine facing the camera that is loose right when it shifted it looked like you started getting compression issues
An engine for $500 that you have to CNC parts for, come up with a way to start it, it doesn't really wanna run and self-destructs within the first 10 runs. Yeah, a nice deal.
There are some pretty spicy mini generators out there, using gas turbine engines, some of them can make upwards of 10,000 watts in a unit the size of an 18 pack of beer. Spendy AF though.
Motors like this do not make electricity, they spin wheels. However, you could attach a small generator to the output shaft and drive it. He said this motor generates 0.7 of a horsepower. 1hp = 754 watts, so that's around 520 watts output... shove that into a small generator at whatever efficiency and you'd end up with something lower than 520 watts. So theoretically you could generate enough to run a few light bulbs or a diy electric drill. That being said, it would be more efficient to attach a drill bit directly to the output shaft of the motor and do some damage against a wall like that. You could make a great little chainsaw :P
@@mikesalive three phase brushless motors are excellent generators, what are you talking about? They require extra components to make use of it to convert it into usable power but they certainly do work. That's how regenerative braking works in electric cars, the motor gets turned by the wheels which generates power to charge the batteries.
If I remember correct they made a “radial” engine where the cylinders heads move and not the crank. Not the same as what you are saying but still pretty cool.
That sound though...that's hands down the best sounding mini rotary I've heard so far. And I've heard one.
it sounds like a more badass version of a Formula1 engine
This is great. Any chance for an Rc car to use this?
@@CMDRunematti bit far there mate. the classic V10 sounds way better and V12 even louder but V10 still better
@@abliviustrey do i look like an F1 expert? XD nah, I'm a pleb who liked F1 10 years ago and this reminded me of them. Obviously can't sound the exact same, it's different tech but still sounds nice
@@CMDRunematti ye nw lol. just thought I'd say that cause its definitely not more badass than F1 engines
.7 horsepower is kind of insane for something this size really. This in a two rotor configuration in a RC car would be nuts.
Really is once you think about it. Like, a horse's average walking over a day, this tiny thing is almost as much.
@@raikkappa23 The only thing that beat it is an electric motor but the weight of batteries seriously add up and don’t last that long. I had an electric RC car that could do 100mph but only lasted like 20 minutes.
@@raikkappa23 Horses actually have about 15 horsepower though
maybe for drones and minicopters
It'll be good to use them on a drone
Im honestly impressed they managed to fit damn near a full horse inside such a tiny engine.
An actual horse has 14hp😂
horsepower doesnt have anything to do wit horses mannn
@@omarrivera5013 He didn’t mean the animal he meant it has .7 hursepurrs it’s impressive they almost got it to 1 😂
@Omar Rivera that's only a peak value. the average output of a horse is about 1 hp.
Yeah thats amazin
Imagine the sound if it was a 4 rotor. He should get 4 of them and stack them on each other
let me just use this opportunity to advertise my latest TH-cam video 😅
yess
Rob Dahm
Angry beehive engine
They already make a 2 rotor version of this so that would only mean 2 engines needed
If only it was that simple. You can easily stack the housings and "irons", but the shaft will be almost impossible to make without some serious equippment and knowledge.
When you go beyond two rotors the shaft needs to be made in several parts that go together during assembly. You would also need some sort og bearing support in the middle for the shaft.
JohnnyQ90 managed to make a 2 rotor shaft himself after several tries and he has years and years of experience with machining small parts. A 3 or 4 rotor shaft would probably be 5 times for dufficult than the 2 rotor shaft he made.
"Rob Dahm would be proud"
What makes you think he's not already buying these up for making a 4-rotor for his 1:4 scale RX7 RC car? ;)
yeah
Lol
And he'll have it running in only 10-15 years!
@@bennyb.1742 I have nothing but respect for Dahm. His passion towards rotaries/RX-7 runs so obviously deep and he's utilized TH-cam perfectly to fund it. And he isn't afraid to show the mistakes he makes along the way when building his dream car and learning new things.
@@onutaoyusao But it's still a good joke.
Someone should make a scale RC car with this engine.
It would be crazy.
Highly agreed.
And it should be a Mazda
toyan makes decent small scale engines.
They have.
The small ones are as trash as the fullsize wankels. Os engines made them for planes and countless of them made it into cars. Much like the full size counterpart seals burnt up quickly and compression crapped out. They also have no torque and are turds.
I would love a 787B RC with a real rotary engine in it!!
Flooded at start up, melting plugs and exhaust fell off. Yes that definitely is a rotary.
Surely not making any compression at low rpm. Lack of side seals and housing to rotor clearance allowing blow by.
Btw that is pretty cool!
Blow by like a mo-fo
@@WarpedYT are you going to put turbo chargers tho?
Most rotaries don't make good cold compression, the internal operating temps are high especially around the exhaust ports so they have to design them so that the clearances are right at operating temp. Piston engines get around this with ring gap, Mazda uses spring loaded corner seals to give the apex seals space to expand.
Also like you said, no side seals but it might just not be feasible to make side seals for something this small. Even in a 13b the side seals are thin and fragile, they would probably look like strands of hair for this thing lol. Looks like there's thin metal plates that go between the rotor and 'irons' that may be an attempt to create some sort of consumable side seal that covers the entire side of the rotor face instead of being recessed into the rotor itself. Probably good enough for something like this, seemed like it was ripping pretty good once it got warmed up. Probably didn't help that he disassembled it, dropped some pieces, then put it back together in a dirty environment. Even a tiny bit of grit would clear itself out but put scratches in all the sealing surfaces on its way through...
@@Joebobinator your dead on about everything except the disassembly, see what I didn't show was I tried 30 times to start this engine, it wouldn't start had absolutely no compression, then I proceeded to disassemble the engine and I found a completely seized Apex seal. None of the parts were dropped. But yeah I'm going to upload that as a separate video on my other channel and share it here.
In this micro application I wonder if a one piece circular side seal could work to help mitigate the blow by and add compression, similar in position to the oil seals on a 13b. It could sit just inside the bottom edge of the apex seal slot.
Trevor, Mazda used 2 and 3 piece apex seals in the majority of their production engines which allowed the seal to cope with thermal expansion and self clearanced between the irons/side plates. The corner seals where there because the side and apex seal had too much dissimilar movement and allowed tighter clearance. The important tolerances on 2 and 3 piece seal engines arethe apex slot to apex seal, the side seal to corner seal, and the corner seal to corner seal slot. I used to build 13bs and some what reliably made around 450rwhp with them on pump gas.
Now with a 1 piece seal like was used in 12A and ceramics in racing applications you had to clearance the apex seal to the rotor housing width. But 2a d 3 piece seals self clearanced.
Engine self-destructing right off the shelf: "That's a rotatory alright!" 🤣
That's ignorant
You're right, @@sonacphotos
@@sonacphotos You could say that about a lot of subpar designs
@@sonacphotos Has to be designed and built correctly first.
@@jmuench420 One you MUST redline them every drive, basically being gentle with a rotary is like severe abuse for piston engine. The problem is you have idiots thinking its a "cute car" and then not making it scream like a warzone going down the street and wonder why it was totaled in under 20k miles when the guy burning tires on the track has 0 maintenance other than basic stuff and getting 100+k miles out of his (which is incredible compared to piston engines being raced).
Its just like a jet engine, you need to treat them completely different. You can still destroy piston engine just as easy, like this guy didn't use water in it for several minutes at full throttle, just try that in your car (but actually don't). You can also destroy 4 strokes very easy too going too high rpm bending valves (unless its flat head, which is why I love old flathead engines because you can bypass governor and other than warping the cylinders from over-heating they don't really seem to mind)
I have no idea why this has appeared in my TH-cam feed, but I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!!!
Despite the flaws, that micro rotary is so awesome! Many of us would've never seen it if you didn't post this vid. Thank you!
I can already imagine a vehicle with like a hundred of those engines connected together somehow, the sound of millions of angry bees and a ton of fuel per mile 😎😁
I sense the building of a bitchin go kart in someone's future.
@@jg8263 everybodys like wow thats amazing... and then the engine failure hits and then they be like told u so u stoopid for building something like that
@@tarekl.3725 As long as it has like constant maintenance, it should be fine, but it's still kinda dumb
@@jg8263 lmao the bees comment had me on the floor! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 would be awesome indeed.
That sounds awesome
WOW THAT SOUNDS AMAZING!
You know what you have to do... Buy 3 more of them and combine them!
What a joyous little thing it was once it was actually at speed though.
Looks like you're also losing a bit of compression at the glow plug too. Could see oil bubbling from the seal. Very cool engine, can't wait to see what you do with it.
Just from what he showed he barely put this thing back together. Exhaust falling off isn't a lolol rotaries suck, that's you not bolting shit on. Dropping parts in a filthy environment, flywheel not centered and wobbling all over, no engine load so it's spinning to double the RPM it's rated for... Looks like a cool engine but man this dude is handling it poorly
This. Dude is ignorant af, he just makes clout chasing vids with shit he doesn’t know muck really.
This engine being this size and already being this loud, imagine what a 787b would sound like
i've seen the 787B doing laps in Japan :) - its l o u d
No need to imagine, because ABSOLUTE everyone has heard it the first time, *_AND IT WAS SUPER LOUD!_*
3:44 is it rotary engine or water pump
Yes
All pressure engines are basically either pumps or fans. This is a pump.
*fuel pump
Whatever you want
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 And a fan is a type of fluid pump.
Ok so most people don't know this but the the rotor spins at about 1/3 the speed and the crankshaft, often called an E-shaft. So it's less impressive when you think of that. But still that little dorito chip spinning at 10k RPMs is still awesome
Insane what they get out of 1.3L for a 2 rotors and 2.6 litres for a 4 rotor tho… which is impressive af.
there was a diesel one made by Rolls Royce with two rotors two stages (bigger and smaller) where bigger rotor was a supercharger to a small rotor to rise compression and allow diesel to ignite.
@@H3110NU technically if you take the total displacement of all three sides of the rotors the 13b is actually 3.9l of displacement. They only advertised it as a 1.3l because A. People didnt understand them so they can get away with only using the displacement of one side of the rotor, and B. They got into a different emissions regulation and racing classes for small 1.3l vs a big 3.9l.
@@leojensen9270 that's basically saying 2 strokes have double the displacement of a 4 stroke
@@maseywat No, what he's saying is a Wankel rotary has triple the effective displacement of a reciprocating piston engine.
Rotary engines sounds always draw a big smile on my face
Anyone getting serious anxiety about that loose pin? 😂
I'm getting more anxiety about the wobbly ass flywheel..
@@carwashadamcooper1538 Why, you're just watching a video, it can't come through the screen and hurt you. :-/ :-)
@@MrJdseniorbro it can hurt the person who makes these videos
It drove me crazy 😂
@@carwashadamcooper1538 I think it's wobbly on purpose, but is counterweighted.
I give you so much credit for getting those apex seals back in lol
Oh man it took me like 45 minutes...😬
Sounds vicious when it's started up!
The loose dowel pin and the amount of out-of-round of that flywheel are disturbing.
I was thinking the same thing
Ya I was like well maybe the crank is bent?
That's just the sliding flywheel buffer pin it's a new feature
I couldnt take my eyes off it either. Haha. Great video though 👍
That was the park lock
Sounds great! Sounds like how you would think a rotary would sound on a smaller scale
Appreciate Donut bringing me over here. Great work on the Rocket Car
Me too
now the challenge is to bridge port it :P
Get the BAH BAH BAH BAH, idle :D
Never do a tear down before testing ….. never. Many things are never as good as they were before factory disassembly
You must love AvE videos
BS. Some engines aren’t assembled in the factory with sufficient care and a knowledgeable owner can clean up (“blueprint”) and reassemble the engine to better than new. Now if a ham-fisted gorilla that has only Visegrips and hammers tears into one, well, no more needs to be said.
I agree with tech, I love this guy and what he does but this one was just too bad sorry I mean he couldn't get it to idle, and he always gets stuff to fully function. lol
@@tatundra6405 clearly you’ve never really worked on a rotary. All that he went through us rotary guys go thru on a daily. Cold starts are real. They can’t go long without apart is also real. If that little guy had a turbo it’s life expectancy is cut in have and the propellers are probably melted. That’s the general nature of a wankel. Mazda couldn’t get it right from factory to keep it in perspective but it was good enough to sell to the public.
@@subifudriftkings Agreed, as the owner of a few rotaries and currently an Rx8 at ~250k miles with 3 engine rebuilds all of this is normal. The internal clearances don't tighten up until it's warm so they hate cold starts even with modern computerized fuel injection. This looks like a pretty rudimentary carburetor setup, of course it's gonna hate starting.
Also I was cringing the whole time he ripped it apart in a filthy environment, dirty hands, dropping parts, not bolting things back together right, and expecting it to run perfectly? The exhaust fell off ffs, that's not "rotaries suck lolol" that's you not bolting shit together. Also super bad for the exhaust ports which are already the weak point for most rotaries, the heat buildup is bad enough even with good header flow.
Also, please center that flywheel and put either a heavier one or some load on the engine. This is like taking an LS, leaving the balancer and flywheel off, removing the rpm limiter from the tune, then starting it with your foot on the floor and expecting it to go well. If you want to spin anything to 1000 rpm let alone 30,000 rpm you had better make sure it's balanced.
This little engine is cool but man this guy is handling it poorly. Even if it wasn't a rotary he should take a little better care of it especially for a demonstration. Also their technical manual says it's only supposed to run to 16,500 rpm. Go take a Honda motor, rip it apart in a sandbox, put it back together just enough to run, then spin it to 15,000 rpm and see what happens...
This thing is SWEEEET!
Thats amazing. Bet it cost a pretty penny I would love to have this just as a ornament on my shelf to play around with time to time. Love your channel man.
They are $500, so just 50,000 ordinary pennies, doesn't need to be a pretty penny either.
So 4 rotor will cost around 2100-2500 it's cheaper then real one 60 000
@@Deep42Thought I'm not sure who pays $60k for a 4 rotor though, my RX-8 was $3250, so buy two whole cars (plenty of spares that way in case you wreck on the track), and you're at $7k plus probably less than $53,000 for someone to bolt two together. Also note the rotary is one of the easier engines to do that too, I chatted with a guy who built a 12 rotor engine from 6x RX-7 engines (I think it had 12 turbochargers in total), and then he sold it to fund his next new project build and toy.
Its probably just about as expensive to turbocharge them, just the exhaust manifold was like $3k a year ago (its since gone down a lot, and yeah you could weld one yourself but I'm referring to just bolt together options). Then you have to find a tuner that specializes in turbo rotaries. Its cool, but its a mess.
While I love Wankel engines (I had the OS back in the day) and I like your vids.... I think all you showed us is that these "Import" companies are making cool... but crappy engines. I've see so many that may start... but will have a very short life... or do not run well enough to actually be used in a model. Regardless... keep up the good work.
Looks like a display engine to me, just like the mini v8... It's not intended to run a model. It'll "run", but I wouldn't actually run it... Just put it on a shelf or a desk.
@@volvo09 plenty of people have put these toyan engines in models and run them. At the same time keep in mind he took it apart and dropped the seals. Apex seals and springs are sensitive as it. That did no favors.
@@brandonbrown3600 really? They do not look very durable. I'll have to search some videos. Interesting.
Toyan Engines are very reliable if you know how to tune a carb. I have a few Rc rock crawlers with them and also a 1/8 scale monster truck with a 4 cylinder Toyan engine they all run flawless. .
@@volvo09 So why worry about making it functional then? It's either a display (Cheap) or a runner. I totally get what you are saying... but if they sell it as a running engine... then it should run, and be built well enough to be used for a reasonable amount of time. Let's face it... Glow Fuel is 20% oil... so stuff will get lubed. They need to use good materials, and build them to a good standard.
The power of half of a horse in the palm of my hand lmao
Good way to think of it
seeing that baby Dorito chill in a Mazda unit made my day ♪
Wow, as usual with your posts, I love this thing. I was thinking a custom 3 rotor would be sweet for an RC!
Also, nice Rob reference 👍 I’m sure he would like this rotary too.
It would be really nice to see car with this engine.
I LOVE THE SOUND!
This is amazing. This is why I love TH-cam. Tonight I learned more about how a rotary engine works and saw a see-through jet engine on your channel. I hope they show your videos in schools. 😄🙌
Genuinely really neat and love all the videos on the mini motors just fascinating to watch, should surely send us a motor ;)
@Don't Read My Profile Photo please go away
@Don't Read My Profile Photo this "hurr hurr dONt rEaD mY nAmE" thing is getting oversaturated and old
@@thesciencesphere4273 100% agree
Wow this is possibily one of the happiest videos rotary heads can watch on youtube!!!!! This is so AWESOME. I need one now 😭
Toyan has been killin it!
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I need one of those! it would be a great engine for my RC drag car when I build it. 😃👍
That would be sick. Wonder how it stacks up against the normal RC nitro engines. HP/torque and size comparisons.
30,000 rpm now that is a screamer! It is impressive that such a tiny engine can almost produce 1 HP!
Unlike the OS motor, it sounds like a proper rotor!
Toyan keeps impressing the hell outta me. This is incredible! I'm a die hard nitro rc guy.. Been restoring vintage nitros for some time now. Man these Toyan models are so impressive!
That's an angry little fella :D Idle like 10 000 rpm :D
I would love to see this little engine idle at 1500/2000 rpm
I can guarantee you never will. They aren’t made correctly to maintain combustion chamber pressure at the lower RPM.
The mass is so low it would never do that.
Hell, a full size rotary can barely do that.
That bolt slippin out at 4:34 😂
I owned about 5 rx7 s
I still have one today 1980 in very very good condition.
The funnest car to drive
Sick engines mate had turbo 13bs
Cheap to rebuild light only disadvantage was you had to warm it up
Hi Matt awesome little engine, love your W.P. channel, keep it up....
Omg coooool!!!!! Let's see a little RX-7 now with a tiny turbo & FMIC
Maybe a Vin Diesel Ken-doll?
A mini rotary Mazda rc street racing car would be such a cool thing to make out of this
это Ванкель а не мазда
That wheel is wobbly as hell...
I owned a 1985 RX7 it was either a 12a or b, don't remember.I broke the Speedometer, raising to work,I beat some chev V8', and Nissan truck,lost to a '98 tricked out V6 Camaro,it was a lil beast,. Finally blew the motor 😅. Sexy lil Car.
@5:52, It's just like my full-sized RX8 rotary engine. Temperamental!🤪🤣
That's awesome. Can you turn it into a triple rotor, or a quad rotor? I feel like it needs a bigger flywheel too.
Synching the rotors would be a nightmare.
Waiting for your "That sounds like a Rotary" t-shirts/merch 😂 Love it man, thank for the vid!
Who else was peeping that dowel pin doing a little dance?
4:22 it sounded like a 2JZ or an RB in a roll with a antilag
An old gunsmith trick when you have parts that may pop out do the work inside a clear plastic bag. Might not be conducive to filming but you'll contain your parts. I learned this after looking for a tiny spring for two hours. :)
"Its melting and the exhaust fell off, yep that's a rotary alright" I'm dying hahahahaha. So, can you combine 2 of these into a 13b?
5:18 The kid with the 20 year old modded Honda Civic pulling into the Senior parking lot every day in High School
They wish it reved to 30k haha
Hübscher motör, auch der "anlasser" hat schon einige Geschichten zu erzählen!!
The first ever automobile also had 0.7hp, and now we've miniaturized that power.
Four rotary inline should have 2.8HP from this little bee. I can't wait till see them. Greatfull
@@alexsz.6530 could Power a little dingy 😂😂
That looked like it was running incredibly rich based on my experience with nitro RC car engines.
Nice and flooded, just like the rotaries like it!!!! Hahaha. Classic man. Legendary
Honda owners at 3 AM 7:30
Time to buy 5 more and make a mini 6 rotor
Hell, why not a dozen?
@@phantom240 Considering how reliable those seem to be, you'd have to buy a dozen to end up with half a dozen for your project.
Awesome little engine ! 👍
Actually when you think of it 0.7hp is a decent amount when lokking at the size
a 50 cc moped in my countrie can legaly only have 1 hp. So yeah 0.7 on that engine is huge.
thats the claim to fame of rotaries. small engines making big power
most 50cc mopeds make between 1.5 hp-3.5
Thats so cool lets sit it in small rx-7 :D
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR THIS INCREDIBLE DEMO!!!! I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME MICRO SIZED, OPPOSED PISTON, DIESEL 2-CYCLE, ENGINES BE DEVELOPED FOR MARINE USE (TROLLING MOTORS!!!!!!
Love your work mate, great stuff, when you got it on a lower idle that lumpy rotor sound was identical to the road cars.
While it's still nearly new you might want to measure up and machine a few rotor housings as spares, better apex seals will make it run much better but it will also wear out your housings faster
He'd better have a really accurate CNC cutter if he's going to machine THAT shape.
Just imagine giving Rob Dahm a mini 4 rotor of this type as a present! Next we will see him building an AWD, FD2 RC hahaha
6:50 the magic begins!!!
0:30 Ordinary people who doesn't understand engines might mistake this as a fart machine. 😆✌️
Once running this thing sounded AMAZING👍💯👊
Pretty cool! Looks like you need to get some sort of exhaust seal going on there with all that ooz. EDIT: Sounds like it's WAY too rich. If you get the right air fuel ratio as well as better compression, it would help the rpms. But 30,000???? That's sick!
Rotary engine speed specifications are defined differently than on other motor types. On a typical rotary there are three combustion events for each revolution of the crankshaft. While there may be 30,000 combustion events per minute for this demo, the actual RPMs of the crankshaft will be one third of that... 10,000 RPMs.
@@martinhirsch94 sorry my dude but the output ratio of the engine 1:3 meaning the crankshaft turns 3 times as fast as the engine. so the crank is doing 30k and the engine is doing 10k
I really hope your project for this engine is putting it inside of a Mazda miniature model car. You could get one from Tamiya !
Your "Other" Wankel looked just like one that I own , made by OS in Japan! Seems you need to tune it as well!
My thoughts entirely. My OS Wankel is on the desk, the owner Mr W/P inferred that he built it or my ears are deceiving me!!
holy shit 30k rpm ??!!!
Imagine a 4 rotor that scale it would sound amazing.
Nice copy and paste comment
I like that you didn't edit out the troubles until it took. Makes for good content.
Shoulda never opened it up u broke the factory seal
If you would have put a period at the end you would get 10k likes idk why that is but its just like that
Yeah he voided the warranty
I'd love to see a multi rotar built using parts from that tiny engine.
Yeah, but you need one major part that is not there. It would be easier to just couple two of them.
@@MrJdsenior Sure, now let's build a 6-rotor for a go-kart!
very cool buddy!
I would have taken it apart after running it. I feel it was compromised from being taken apart as the head surface torque, gaskets, flywheel position, Apex seals and springs are very sensitive. Would be nice to see one that hasn't been tampered with run.
One thing everybody on TH-cam is teaching me I can't leave any Stones unturned.
So I did run it before taking it apart, or at least I tried, the only reason I took it apart is because it didn't have any compression and a Apex seal was stuck.
Guarantee you I can make this engine run better than it comes from the factory.
I have built hundreds of rotary engines including peripheral port and Bridgeport, this engine is a piece of cake compared to a real rotary that has corner seal side seals two-piece Apex seals with springs, you have no idea unless you've actually built a real rotary, the seals are a pain in the butt. This engine piece of cake there's really nothing you can mess up unless you lose some parts.
@@WarpedYT , Matt, how tight was your engine as received? Mine has zero chance of running as the stainless plates are sprung inward towards the rotor. This engine needs a major overhaul before it can seal properly and run as intended. What happened to your cooling fittings?
@@GFTPSMP It needs a redesign
Imagine you put these in drills and hand held tools
These little rotary vids are just awesome lol
Just FYI, Berkeley has Rotary engines that work that can only be seen in a microscope.
This engine's got 11 mHP!
customer: "m HP?"
Dealer: Micro Horsepower! As seen on electron microscope.
hey at 5:29 theres a pin at the top corner of the engine facing the camera that is loose right when it shifted it looked like you started getting compression issues
Rotor slam triangle ring brother😂 no magic🙏
Would be interesting to connect that motor to the engine and see how much power you can generate from the engine.
The starter motor would slow it down unless you had a faster brushless motor, which that one wasn’t.
@@garygaarderjr9733 yeah it would slow down but it would be interesting how many watts could be drawn until it stalls
rotary engines make a nice small engine for EV range extenders
It's cool but 500 dollars?! OMG😂
When you mentioned Rob Dahm is when I immediately liked & subbed lol
Could you turbocharge it?
It’ll blow up
@@Xk1221or will it? 🤨 *vsauce music*
An engine for $500 that you have to CNC parts for, come up with a way to start it, it doesn't really wanna run and self-destructs within the first 10 runs.
Yeah, a nice deal.
Yeah that's absolutely ridiculous
Toyan 🤷♂️
better make urself
use some workshops cnc machine for parts
The sound is incredible!
I would still say 0.7 horse power is impressive for something that small
but no torque
@@flippy9133 hence, fake HP numbers…
@@flippy9133 ever heard of a reduction gearing?
I think you screwed it up by taking it apart. Gaskets need to be replaced with new ones when you disassemble an engine.
If the gaskets aren't torn up they are fine.
No they dont need to be replaced, as long as there is not toomuch dammageits perfectly fine.
Cool I can make a rotary weed wacker like I always wanted
I always wonder how much actual electricity you can make from tiny motors.
There are some pretty spicy mini generators out there, using gas turbine engines, some of them can make upwards of 10,000 watts in a unit the size of an 18 pack of beer. Spendy AF though.
Motors like this do not make electricity, they spin wheels. However, you could attach a small generator to the output shaft and drive it. He said this motor generates 0.7 of a horsepower. 1hp = 754 watts, so that's around 520 watts output... shove that into a small generator at whatever efficiency and you'd end up with something lower than 520 watts. So theoretically you could generate enough to run a few light bulbs or a diy electric drill. That being said, it would be more efficient to attach a drill bit directly to the output shaft of the motor and do some damage against a wall like that. You could make a great little chainsaw :P
@@mikesalive three phase brushless motors are excellent generators, what are you talking about? They require extra components to make use of it to convert it into usable power but they certainly do work. That's how regenerative braking works in electric cars, the motor gets turned by the wheels which generates power to charge the batteries.
@@TheExplosiveGuy Sorry, I was replying to the op. Your comment didn't show up for me until now, and yes, you are correct.
Would be interesting to see implementation and performance of an "inverse" Wankel.
The Liquidpiston is essentially that.
@@rcdieselrc Yep.
If I remember correct they made a “radial” engine where the cylinders heads move and not the crank. Not the same as what you are saying but still pretty cool.