Hardest Video To Film: THE TRUTH About Pacific Quest. My Experience, Opinion, And Truth.
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- Hi guys! In this video I talk about my experience going to wilderness therapy at Pacific Quest in Hawaii. These are just my opinions. I went from August 1, 2019 to October 21, 2019. Thanks so much for watching!
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So many places are like this and this is why PEOPLE DO NOT COME FORWARD WHEN THEY NEED HELP!
It is ABUSE, plain and simple, and people don't understand that!
Thank you for your story. Blessings for your healing journey.
thank you for sharing this. i was sent to PQ as a minor, against my will. the mental damage still affects me.
yeah honestly same, people don't understand
me too.
same... its been 12 years and I'm still so traumatized.
I went to PQ in December 2014, glad to hear another point of view on this program. I'm sorry you had to go through this. You are brave for sharing your story and I see you survivor!
Happy to be the 400th sub!! 🎉 thank you for sharing your story. Keep going❤
Ooh wow I'm a buff who went to PQ , too! My mom basically dragged me back home from Colorado. I broke up with my boyfriend of like 2.5 years after a while and I handled it in so many of the worst ways possible. This led to that and then I had an educational consultant tell me the same bs. Told me I'd be able to talk to whoever I wanted at lest once per week. Told me I'd have one roommate, AC, private bathroom, etc. Pretty sure she legitimately used the term "retreat." They even told me that I could probably bring my cat. I got there. Not a retreat - as you know. I read the curriculum which was like 75% gardening 25% therapy-related stuff back then. Immediately asked for the form to get my ass out of there. Had a breakdown. Parents said no. So I stayed.
I actually ended up benefitting a LOT from PQ, but that was before they moved. I made 95% of my progress in Kuleana and Huli and it doesn't sound like you guys got those. I was also lucky enough to have an amazing therapist that waited to quit until my grad date. Unfortunately, I ended up being sent to a transition program after PQ where I lost all progress and then some. Ended up at square -4.
Even though PQ helped me, I've definitely got some not so fun stories from my time there. Some of those being:
- I was throwing up all day and night for my first 4 days there. I don't think they gave me anything for it. Probably fennel tbh :l
- Picked up a rock and had ~20 cockroaches fly directly at me
- Had a girl scream at all of us (staff and clients) that she was going to slit all of our throats in our sleep just before we turned in for the night..
- Just constantly being terrified of cane spiders everywhere and on everything (mostly in Kuleana)
- Fractured my finger pretty badly and they wouldn't get a splint for some reason. I had to make one out of sticks and vines and shitty tape for 4 days before they got me one.
- One of my friends passed some kidney stones while we were there. They knew about his condition beforehand and still decided to let him writhe in pain on the deck for the entire day rather than take him to a hospital.
- Had a friend walk off and it took staff like 2 hours to notice. He was basically already back by the time they left to look for him.
- Had a staff member start sending me a whole bunch of dick pics once I got my phone back 3 mo. after leaving
Also thought it was super twisted that SO many girls from PQ started ending up at the treatment center I went to after PQ. I think we got 4 within a week once.. All of the mental health treatment centers (not rehabs although many are fucked for other reasons) are sketchy as fuck. So many of them just want money and a lot of them are owned by just a few companies. I'd say it sounds like a conspiracy theory but its true so.. yikes
i’m considering going would you tell me more about your experience
What transitional program did you end up at? I did one in st George Utah, my other option was in Boulder CO (can’t remember the name)
Yes PQ funneled you into those programs for money. PQ didn’t help you clearly. PQ was never there to help you.
I went to PQ in 2015 as a minor, and it helped me, but now that I'm older and have reconnected with other kids there I've gotten rid of my rose-tinted glasses and have begun to unpack the trauma that I experienced but ignored while I was there. Thank you for sharing your experience.
So you literally talked yourself into trauma? Sounds about right.
@@zsedcftglkjh no wonder she was sent away lmao
Lol my wilderness experience was much worse than yours was… if you consider sleeping in the cold and having to sleep naked inside a sleeping bag “traumatic”, maybe try having some *actual* trauma. Or the military, we would laugh at you and piss on you for complaining. Man up.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I was there during the move, and was the last group to experience the old location and format, and the first to experience the new one including the Olena house. From my perspective, the old kuleana location and program format was much more conducive to healing, and a lot of people I was there with benefited greatly from it. After the move however, things really went downhill...... I’m not sure if you guys are still at the garden with the rest of the program but compared to what the program was before, that experience felt much more confining and prison like I’m sorry you didn’t get to experience some of the more beautiful aspects of pq, as most of that got lost in the move.
It’s not beautiful or healing. Stop spreading this.
Rachel, thank you for sharing this experience. If there are a few things I can say, they are how much your parents love you, and that they are proud of you, and how much I admire you!
one of my best friends went to pq and they have the most wild stories. thanks for sharing!!
I just found this video, idk if I can watch yet, but I also went to pacific quest years ago. I'm in active therapy to recover from the trauma and horrible PTSD. Ended up leaving halfway through and was on the streets of Hilo for days, because the program lied to my family saying I was ok.
Oh my gosh! I almost went to PQ I ended up going to the sister program in North Carolina! I found it was hell in more traumatizing than I thought I could ever be
I was there for 92 days
which one is the siste program in North Carolina?
This place sounds like a nightmare, and the way they’re restricting your dietary needs is absurd. 1 dessert a week? This is supposed to be a recovery center not a jail! Absolutely ridiculous, I’m so sorry this happened to you and thank you for sharing your story. 👏🏻
dessert is not a dietary requirement
@@linear9185 maybe not, but you’d be surprised how many dietitians will stress the importance of desserts. That much restriction can lead to eating disorders and bad relationships with food. How often does the average person have only 1 desert a week?
@@savannahj6660 dessert is not healthy??? it is a luxury I'm no fan of wilderness but ur acting like 1 dessert a week is a big deal. Most of these places don't have any desserts.
@@linear9185 it’s a big deal for me :)
@@savannahj6660 🤷♂️
dangggg this is a boujee wilderness....... sounds way more like an rtc bro
ik its literally insane and the weathers nice like i was in the mountains in utah in january w no fire bc there was a drought
@@Garlicandonions outback?
I was at a real wilderness program, twice, we all referred to Pacific Quest as Princess Quest. I’d go there as a student right now if I could.
yeah i went there and it was sooooo nice
WOW so scary. I heard PQ was wonderful and im so glad i watched this. Is there any program you DID attend that helped you? What programs do you know of that are genuiine and humane? Was there ANYTHING good about PQ or was it all bad? It sounds awful. Thanks for your courage in sharing this story--parent
hey, i went to pq in may-august 2021 and my experience was amazing, i connected with the community and staff and it honestly wasn't that bad. the part abt food in my experience isn't true. the food that they served me was fresh nutritional and honestly i miss it. afterwards i got sent to a therapeutic boarding school and that place was terrible but pq helped me find who i am and really helped me with everything that i struggled with beforehand. PQ was wayyyy better than any other wilderness program that i've heard of, at my therapeutic boarding school there was others who went to places like trails and they would always say things like princess quest because of how much easier it is compared to the other wilderness programs there are. i would recommend it but afterwards please look into the therapeutic boarding schools if you are going to send your kid there and MOST IMPORTANTLY listen to your kid.
How can she listen to her kid if communication is monitored? Please stop spreading this bullshit when there’s clear evidence that wilderness and PQ is wildly ineffective and harmful to SO many
Yes I Went to PQ no contact with family and if you want to leave they mail home your wallet's a d purse's. Was of money for my family
You hit the nail on the head
At my wilderness program I wasn’t given any phone calls at all...I wish I had gone to Pacific quest
You should just have left.
It's illegal to stop you from leaving if you're over 18.
You don't even need to have your parents involved.
If they stop you from walking out, it's illegal imprisonment.
Now as it turns out they were operating illegally.
did you go?
right! they got shut TF down. yes!
when i was there....it was that hummice every day for 4 months
Did you get to shower more then once per week?
yes we got to shower every day
I was nearly sent there but it was too expensive😳 I got sent to Evoke instead
Evoke?? I know about Evoke! I went to Star Guides and we shared the land with them.
That sounds similar to the place I went to. I was quiet and stuck to myself, so I was mainly in a mental and physical prison, but not the emotional and sexual abuse. I was isolated sometimes. So yea not at all helpful it beneficial but not as bad as some peoples experiences.
i'm going to PQ monday i'm really scared based off seeing everyone's story's and my parents won't listen to me about what people have been saying they are saying that every place has bad reviews. i'm a minor so i have no say in not going there do you have any tips on what i should do if i go there because i really don't know what to do.
i am so sorry..... target one staff member. harass the shit out of them and make them fear for their life.
in hindsight thats what i would do.
cost them money. be a constant nuisance so they have to dedicate 2 staff to just you. cost them as much $ as possible
@@cutescaryforever2629 🤣🤣🤣 wtf this is so ass backwards… you do realize costing them more money will in turn cost these desperate parents more money because that’s how they pay the staff… and acting like a toddler throwing a tantrum how you end up extending your stay by months.
@@laurachristensen3201 don't make it harder for the ransoming kidnappers to kidnapp people because then they will want more from the ransom because they decided doing the ransom was more difficult than they thought and now their not really into it.
You realize this is a place that recently got shut down for being unlicenced. The example isn't in far proximity from whats going on. Both are that of crimes.
Never speak to your parents again
A friend of my son's worked there on the graveyard shift and quit quickly. He didn't like the abuse that was perpetrated on the clients. His parent's place was not far from the old location in Waiohinu and he said they used to hear the screams of kids being dragged in there every evening. These places need oversight and regulation or just to permanently be shut down. Parents should never sign over their parental rights to a place like this. Glad you sruvived, but if you are 18, are you saying they place you on a 5150 3-day involuntary psychiatric hold if you want to leave?
Yes
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love you so much
I’m sure it was hard times but have you never looked up like anasazi or winggate?
I want to Pacific quest when I was 22 I've had a significantly different experience than you, Also detoxing was hell for me. I was there for exactly 2 months. We also did not have a second place to transition to so we were all based out of that house that was right on the ocean, And in terms of food portions and everything else everything was properly set and was very helpful for me. It has changed my life. Also there was somebody that was a part of my group that got banned from their country so this is where they sent them for Instead of going to jail, Also when I was in the program the youngest student there was 21, And the oldest was 25. Pacific questions change my life, Other than that I differ. The program helped me despite it being one of the most expensive programs in the country. $50,000 for 10 weeks. But that wasn't my job to care about how much money it was. Except for that I am on medication now in order for me to feel like a normal human being I don't mind it. thats it.
its different for ppl under 18.
difference between a captive and customer
The young adult program is different from the adolescent program. You guys got to CHOOSE to be there because you were making mistakes as an adult, we ADOLESCENTS did not.
Additionally, us children weren’t criminals or drug addicts. Don’t group us in with you guys.
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DID YOU HEAR IT WAS SHUT DOWN
Unfortunately, it wasn't. I'm talking to somebody now who just got out.
I love you rach
I love YOU!
You were over 18. I don't know why you didn't just walk out instead of doing the three day call your parents thing. Could they really stop you?
You can get arrested and taken to a mental hospital for that.
yeah they don’t care they will fuck you over, hold you against your will, and get away with it
Actually yes , you could have easily walked away which is exactly what I did. But not because anyone was being mean to me but only because it was my first day there, and I had extreme anxiety at the time.
One of the staff members name Callie got in her car and drove around looking all over for me and when she found me, we just drove around for a few minute and she actually took the time to care about me and talk to me and get to know me. When I came back the staff was extremely loving and helpful and very nice and so were all of the other young adults that I was there with. Within two weeks we were all able to joke about it because I was the only young adult who “ran away“. Lol
I’m not sure how the minor section dealt with situations like this because it could be very dangerous if you were under the age of 18 and especially if you’re in a place that is miles away from your actual home. But when I ran away the staff was nothing but extremely loving towards me. Like I said I have no idea what the minors went through but this was just my personal experience.
Also because minors are legally forced to stay there, so there’s no telling what their staff does to them. I will Never speak on any specific situation that I did not go thru. But I did go to PQ in 2913 and was in the young adult section, and obviously when most of us are 19 and older there’s a lot less abuse that people can get away with.
When I was there I had a wonderful time that truly helped me heal. It’s awful to hear that everyone else didn’t experience the same.
My heart goes out to all of the people who were traumatized and abused by that place.
Did staff ever call the cops on students?
Thanks for sharing this.
Here because I watched this last night, th-cam.com/video/QBPpwxfqT3o/w-d-xo.html in which a youngster about your age, gave a harrowing account of her Wilderness programme experience. She wasn't tricked in to it like you, she was literally dragged from her home by 2 strangers in the night, and, although she stayed the course, clearly has PTSD as a result.
It sounds like a misguided act of tough love by desperate parents, but more like forced servitude in a borstal/prison-like environment from what you actually experienced. Why they have to give you sh*t food? That doesn't sound right, it sounds sinister. Nutrition is key to wellness and the brain's health.
Troubles me greatly to hear that you don't feel that you benefited at all. Something's wrong if people are coming out scarred, not stronger. Sounds abusive. Plus they're making a king's ransom in the process. I'm so glad you made some lasting friendships there. Sounds as if you cut your teeth together as blood-brothers.
This video gave me ptsd from PQ
No sugar? I'd be out that door so fast
honestly it was really nice i felt so healthy and you got natural sugars from the fruits
Pq is shut down now
COVID? Or?
no its not. They got fines, and i believe one of their locations was closed but they are still up and running
princess quest
Has anyone ever checked themselves out and became homeless and got off the island by getting a job?
frick pq
!!!
saved my daughter's life. everyone has a different experience
You sent your child to a facility that was operating illegally…. Unintelligent
@@monicad866 has nothing to do with the quality of counseling. im sorry u had a bad experience
why are you spending so much time on the food.....
I'm sorry i dont mean timo invalidate you.
but as someone who was abused here. like seriously abused and kept in solitary for most of 4 months.
it makes me mad that you spent so much time talking about the food. is that all you see?
i dont get it. sorry. I really dont mean to be a dick. but I had to click away at 19min because it made me so mad.
sorry. my emotions get all messed up when i think about what went on back then.
PQ sucked
@@monicad866 yes it did.
hahahaha this is not wilderness
but it is
EXACTLY
@@bella5h_ no tf it isnt
bro i went there and it was so nice it was not wilderness it was like an rtc
I don't know what is happening with American youth:) Going to Hawaii to a boot camp and being around pretty girls like you, for me it looks like going to heaven:)