As someone who HAS read the original novel... this adaptation is surprisingly faithful in numerous places. The training, the scene with Rico and Kitten out on the town, the power armor... Interestingly, the OVA actually features an opening in High School at a sports game for Rico that is almost identical to a scene from the later Verhoven adaptation. Oddly, though, this OVA lacks the political commentary of the novel, which Verhoven's film maintained, yet it also was more faithful in terms of narrative.
@INFILTR8US the movie was satirizing militaries in general, because verhoeven refused to actually read the book and fought his producer who actually liked it and forced a lot of the stuff to remain
@volkskrieg8735 verhoeven has no excuse. He has a recurring pattern of doing this, where the second anything is even remotely not in line with his politics he decides it must be fascism. The very existence of a military at all is "fascistic" according to verhoeven.
@@AG-en5y I believe the brain bug was captured, but Rico played very little part in it. The story is told from Juan Rico's perspective, but oddly, a lot of really interesting events are only mentioned as having happened in places where he was absent, or he was physically present but unconscious. Oh, and Rico is identified as being Phillipino in the book, with Tagalog being his native tongue. Johnny is his nickname.
The Halo devs have stated in past that they based the Mjolni helmet off it and Studio Bones based the power armour from the prototype Halo OVA off the marauder as well
In the books, during training, 1:500 rounds was live. The idea being that the recruits would keep their heads down…and if they didn’t AND were particularly unlucky, well 🤷🏻♂️ If the recruits were sloppy in training, the drill instructors would threaten to lower the ratio.
There’s a bio-mechanical space plague in the game Homeworld: Cataclysm, that is known as “The beast”. It corrupts and assimilates other ships, and gets smarter as it’s biomass increases per assimilated vessel.
I had only known of the Roughneck Chronicles CGI series. I really liked it, and it had an abrupt, cliffhanger ending due to being cancelled. Will have to check this OVA out as well.
@@tadghf6891 the cover of the Japanese edition of the book has a power armor very similar to this, created by the same designer. That's all. I love power armor, so this tidbit stuck with me
The visuals of the OVA as well, I really can't explain it very well in a brief comment but the first time I saw it I pretty much immediately thought "Oh ok yeah this is also a Forever War adaptation, at least visually."
Na, Heinlein was a famously prolific author. There's no one book that's drastically more famous than all the others. Starship Troopers was actually one of his less famous novels before the movie, IIRC.
In terms of anime -- Macross Frontier does the "giant alien quasi-biomechanical bug swarm" thing with its central antagonists. Though Knights of Sidonia antagonists are closer to the Starship Trooper ones, as horrifying Lovecraftian biomasses in space.
@@MarcMcKenzie-qb6or Sadly, in his Break Blade review he asked for quality 2010's mecha anime and I completely blanked on Sidonia's existence. It was a quality series, and as both SF and mecha it wasn't afraid to be fucking weird.
This powered suit's shape was designed by Kazutaka Miyatake, a Japanese visual artist and anime designer. This shape appeared in the novel illustration translated in Japanese in 1977 for the first time.
As far as giant organic spaceships go, check out the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars lore if you're not familiar - they have "worldships" which are like moon-sized organic space stations they use for extragalactic travel and staging invasions.
1:50 The movie is more of a Satire of the ideas Verhooven thought were expressed in the *first five PAGES* of the novel. Since he openly said he stopped there. Screenwriter did read a bit further though.
The problem with the novel is its basically just Heinlein on his soapbox and preaching to the reader (whether or not that was his intention that is certainly what it reads like), which gets old quickly. Credit where it is due; the novel effectively invented the military mecha/real robot genre so it is the first step that would eventually lead to stuff like Gundam, Macross, Code Geass and even Battletech and Exo-Squad.
@spectre111 false, you clearly never served or truly understood the book. Their is a reason why the book is dedicated to Sergents. The first 5 pages of the book are setting up the scene for the drop and also talking about your nerves before the drop. You would very well understand this scene if you've even been a Paratrooper in a Mass Tac jump at 0100 in the pitch black If you read the book you would see the Author is also arguing against a Military draft and the reason why a draft should exist.
I'm kind of amazed that you didn't mention Helldivers at all among the other IPs with bug-enemy influences, considering the enormous amount of references to Starship Troopers, notably the whole Terminid race of evolved bug enemies. I genuinely assumed the timing of this was intentional alongside Helldivers 2 being a hot topic in the gaming world right now.
I feel like I was the only person who had ever heard of that anime. It's really good -- one of my favorites. Definitely see parallels between the aliens in the OVA and the Hideauze
I've found at least two versions, possibly a third. I haven't fully investigated the other two for completeness, but there are plenty of versions available for free out there. To anyone who hasn't experienced the book yet, put it on 1.5x speed and enjoy. Did you know that if you use the Brave browser on your phone and run TH-cam through that (instead of the app), you can listen to videos with the screen off? It's a great way to listen to audiobooks over headphones or synched with your car's Bluetooth... just sayin'
KNIGHTS OF SIDONIA If your really interested in checking out shows with "bio mechanical" like alien threats against humanity in space where the alien threat seems almost too powerfull at some points, IMO anyways. If you havent seen it or have just heard about it and havent watched, i would deffinitly recomend it. theres a scene in the very first episode that sold me, and its just ...well lets just say IYKYK.
No, the Verhoven film is not a satire of the ideas expressed in the novel. What would become the Starship Troopers movie already had an existing script called Bughunt at Outpost 9 before Verhoven found out the studio he was working for had the rights to another bug fighting scifi work, the Starship Troopers novel. By his own words Verhoven said he never made it more than three pages into the first chapter before getting bored and tasking scriptwriter Ed Neumeier with adapting the book. All Neumeier was staple gun character names and places onto the existing script with the exception of two parts, the classroom scene debating force and the recruiting sergeant missing his legs. Both are heavily truncated abridged versions of their original novel counterparts. Apart from that almost all of it has nothing in common with the book.
What’s the source for this? It seems Neumeier was pretty faithful to the events of the book if not the overall spirit. I see both book and movie as companion stories with different viewpoints rather than 1:1 clones.
@@commandercaptain4664 You want the sources? For starters there's the dvd commentary with Paul Verhoeven himself, The Making of the Starship Troopers Movie book by Paul Sammon, and various interviews with Ed Neumeier from the LA Times, Fangoria, and SciFi Entertainment magazine. The spirit of the movie couldn't be anymore removed from that of the novel if tried... any harder than it already did. Hell the Band of Brothers miniseries is closer in spirit to the Starship Troopers novel than the movie that bears its name. Let that sink in for a moment.
@@commandercaptain4664 You want the sources? For starters there's the dvd commentary with Paul Verhoeven himself, The Making of the Starship Troopers Movie book by Paul Sammon, and various interviews with Ed Neumeier from the LA Times, Fangoria, and SciFi Entertainment magazine. The "spirit" of the Starship Troopers movie couldn't be any further from the novel if it tried any harder than it already did to the point the miniseries Band of Brothers could be argued is a better adaptation and closer in spirit despite having nothing to do with it. The movie is that far off the mark.
Clearly you've not read the other quote from Verhoeven, where he clearly states that he wanted the people who realized it was satire to feel psychological pain from the people who didn't. You're an idiot who doesn't realize that the SCRIPT WRITER determines what a movie is about, the director just takes that script and films their vision of that script. Also clearly you've not seen or read either if you don't think that Neumeier was keeping the events of the book in mind while writing the script.
I would recommend Pork Chop Hill and One Bugle No Drums and Colder Than Hell, all about the Korean War that offer insights about experiencing combat. I also loved Starship Troopers but the other three are better. IMHO. Thank you.
I don't agree with everything in the book, but the idea that to gain a leadership position entails starting at the bottom and working your way up through the ranks through effort and results rather than who you know is very appealing to me.
@@MartyFreeze True, but not all “mustangs” ie officers promoted from the ranks are successful. But an understanding of the ranks and how to treat them is very useful.
@@Trevor-08Reason it's on military reading lists. I'm also currently an Infantrymen. You can telling the director was lying that he only read 5 pages, because if he did he only read the set up for the Drop and that was it. People don't realize the book is more about leadership than anything else why making arguments for why people shouldn't be drafted into the military.
It's grimy and yet so fascinating when you find genuine diamonds in the rough, mired in all the gunk of, like you said, the shadiest Russian internet back-alley you can imagine.
Tbh, this is more faithful to the book (despite many things being changed/altered) than the live-action 90's version; that movie changed the perception of the story so much that people only think of the movie and not the book. And showing the power suits alone makes the Japanese OVA version superior.
Ironically I love the book and movie(s) but for different reasons. My favorite aspect of the movie is the director lamented the hordes of people who didn’t realize it was satire and loved it anyway and really leaning into the hyper patriotism
@@charleshetrick3152 I feel like Verhoeven's style of satire just does not work for a story like this. It worked in Robocop, but with Starship Troopers it just kinda fell flat.
@@spectre111 I think it fails as satire because it actually depicts a homogenous functioning society. You can’t really say you’re making fun of something then depict it as living up to the expectations. I mean the humans win and we never actually see the negative aspects that might exist in such a society. At least in Robocop it very accurately showed a future we seem to be headed towards whilst taking its inspiration from present day dystopia and exaggerating it.
@@charleshetrick3152 Both movies are satire while trying to have a conventional heroic action movie plot, just with a sci-fi setting. I think it works in Robocop because while we see the flaws in the system but we also see our hero punish the corrupt executive which gives the ending a sense that the flaws are going to be corrected by good people like Murphy. In Starship Troopers we see the flaws in the system, but they are never addressed so the movie ends with a feeling that the corruption will continue, our heroes will probably just get killed in the fighting and this will happen all over again in a generation or two. I think Verhoeven is a good director, I like Robocop and Total Recall, but I think his approach just does not work for this kind of story.
@@charleshetrick3152 You should watch the movie again if you think human society is functioning in 90s Starship Troopers. Quite apart from the complete lack of a functioning justice system, or democracy being overrun by a military junta. The movie is structured like a propaganda piece produced by the authoritarian fascist government in-universe. At the end of the movie they do the "I'm doing my part" scene where they show literal children being given guns and told to go squash bugs. The implication is that the horrifying forever war the human race has locked itself into... is not going nearly as well as the propagandists making the movie would like you to think.
The power armor makes a debut in the CGI movie sequels for the Verhoven film and Casper van diem reprises his role as ricos voice not sure if he was in it for ST invasion but he definitely was in it for "Traitor of mars" and thats a great film
The anime style films are pretty good the sequels to the original movie were pretty bad. I’m still always astounded why no one in Hollywood can seem to just read the friggin book.
The ending may feel rushed because this ends at the mid point of the novel. It's almost like they were planning at least three mire episodes, but got canceled. I don't worry too much about spoilers for a seventy year old book, but... Rico gets tapped for Officer Candidate School. We get more training montages and find out his dad sold the family business to enlist. Big fight with the bugs on Rico's cadet mission. He then gets commissioned as an officer and command of his own platoon. The book ends with Rico's Roughnecks preparing to assault the bugs' homeworld. His dad is the platoon chaplain, Zim is back as Rico's platoon sergeant, and Carmen is the captain of the ship the platoon is on.
13:50 : Well, in the TTRPG sphere, there is "The Swarm" from the 'Starfinder' RPG (yet another type of 'Space Locusts' 😅) In the 'Roughnecks' show (a CGI series based on the ST movies) They expanded on the bugs to a huge degree, and even had one 'bug carrier' which used 'dragonfly' like wings to assist in its take off (would include a link, but I hear that TH-cam removes comments with links now)
the fucked up thing is that the Tekkamanization process is *supposed* to end with you completely brainwashed by a Radam parasite and doing everything possible to ensure their complete dominion and assimilation of a target planet.
Wait... Jonny? I have heard that in the books, the MC is Juan Rico. So did the movie know about and copy bits from the OVA or is it just coincidence, they changed the MC's name in the same way?
Awesome video as always my dude! It’s always bummed me out there wasn’t more of this or another attempt at it. A Tyranid unit the aliens remind me are the neurothropes and zoanthropes. Big ole brain bugs that also shoot mind lasers.
I watched the movie first, then the OVA back in 2017, then got the audiobook. The anime was closest to the original story. Maybe aduiobook it like I did? In the original, Johnny's father hated the fact he joined the MI.
I like the Starship Troopers for simply existing, being so 80s aesthetic, fairly obscure to modern or even 80s anime fandom, and for actually FEATURING POWER ARMOR
It's not directly analogous but the Flood from Halo kind of fit the bill, a biomass-based infection vector that replicates exponentially and can hibernate in the deep void of space.
While the first movie, and while we're at it the second one as well, doesn't feature the Marauder Power Armor, ST3 and the 90s CG cartoon series does feature. In fact the Marauder power armor is the focal point in Starship Troopers 3, though it doesn't get a lot of screen time until close to the end of the movie
Nobody's going to mention the pole in Rico's bedroom? Assuming it's not for dancing (it's good exercise, he's entitled to have a hobby with no judgement) then everything that happens in his room is going to be heard downstairs. It's like a small child receiving their dream bedroom, only for it to become a nightmare once they hit puberty.
It part of the Ray Stantz collection of architecture. Once he encountered his first pole, it was decreed that all places in the future had to have them.
I heard this one does a wonderful job of sidestepping the arguments about Heinlen's worldbuilding and political worldview by simply... Not having enough animation budget left after the fightscenes
It seems the 1998 movie took more from this OVA than from the novel. I love the 1998 movie, but I'm hoping the upcoming film honors the source material.
Thanks for the rundown on that show. I expected you to do the starship troopers cgi series. The power armor in that ova reminds me of the Maddox from metal skin panic. If you like that sort of alien menace I would recommend Megazone 23 pt 2 or the first Gall Force trilogy. A good show dealing with squad dynamics is Galaxy Railways
Codex Alera is a fantasy series, but the main enemy of the entire series (and in each book) are basically the Zerg. ELementally powered romans have to team up with their barbarian enemies including Neanderthal Animal-Bonding Elves, Ice-powered Psychic Yeti, and Blood Magic wielding Wolf People in order to fight them. It's crazy fun!
The ova felt far to focused on bootcamp and the power armor itself. Its missing the second half, is how I felt about it. Still good, and for trooper fans I do recommend.
Having read the book and seen this OVA as well the other adaptations. The OVA is closer and more respectful to the book. Albeit of course having differences from the source material, as well a toning down or absence of the political aspects. Though the book wasn’t as heavy in politics as many make it out to be, or fascist. I mean a 15-25 page comic book issue today is likely more political than the entirety of Heinlein’s book. Only big political take it goes with is being anti-communism in rather simple yet effective jabs; without needing a heavy diarrhea load of context like you would more modern writers. Mostly what I got out of the book with IMO its main points were Choice and Responsibility. An if freedom of choice along with the responsibilities of said choices, etc, is “fascist,” or the sort; then really that honestly says there’s a problem with the reader than the book. Also if you think the armor looks similar to Halo’s; you should check out Roughnecks Starship Troopers Chronicles, which came out 2 or 3 years before Halo. Armor is so alike; hell it’s even the same color of green.
It was definitely classist, given the division between first class citizens who serve over the second class civilians who do not. That was preserved in the movie, if not expanded upon.
@@commandercaptain4664 It isn't classist. Rico comes from a wealthy family who aren't "citizens" because they never served. The only thing that prevents them from doing in the book's setting is voting. The book is about investment in a system, choice, and responsibility. It's also a good example of the weight of leadership from a military perspective.
Clearly you lack the ability to critically think if you think that "serve in the military or be shipped off to slave mines if you want to vote" is "freedom of choice", you're the last person who should be talking about political theory. And lol, it's anti-communist the same way McCarthy was, attacking a bunch of things that have nothing to do with communism.
@@Gustav_Kuriga ...what "slave mines" are you talking about? You're not describing something from the book. Oh, and: “Every time we killed a thousand Bugs at a cost of one M.I. it was a net victory for the Bugs. We were learning, expensively, just how efficient a total communism can be when used by a people actually adapted to it by evolution; the Bug commisars didn't care any more about expending soldiers than we cared about expending ammo. Perhaps we could have figured this out about the Bugs by noting the grief the Chinese Hegemony gave the Russo-Anglo-American Alliance; however the trouble with 'lessons from history' is that we usually read them best after falling flat on our chins.”
Quick primer on Heinlein for you: when he wrote Star Ship Troopers he was pretty conservative. It was _the_ quintessential "better dead than red" text. Heinlein's politics changed as he aged, though, and by the time he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land, he was under FBI investigation, suspected of being a communist. If anything, the movie was truer to Heinlein's politics when he died than the book.
I think either the Maddox suit was modeled after this, this was modeled after the Maddox suit, or they were both based on a design for a wargame. Or they were all based on a Japanese cover for the book? I can’t precisely remember.
Wave does kits for it now, and they get reissued from time to time, but Wave does take it's sweet, sweet time to reissue kits. I think there's a few currently up for order/preorder though.
The Xenosaga series has an alien entity called Gnosis and they are capable of space travel. Larger ones are also referred to as ships that are just an amalgamation of the things they absorb.
The bad guys in Stargate Atlantis have spaceships that are living beings. There's an episode where one of the crew becomes infected with the virus that turns you into a spaceship. It's pretty wild
I remeber watching this off a rented disc from extra vision when i was 8 to 9 it was dubbed (it could of been something else but i remember starship troopers in this type of animation)
I've read the book. The Verhoeven movie isn't really a satire of the book (though there are a few jabs, obviously) so much as a satire of the movie industry. IIRC Verhoeven has told journalists he hadn't even read the book when he signed on to do the movie, the resemblances between the two are actually pretty limited, and the general tone of schlock leaning into its schlockiest elements is shared with a lot of Verhoeven's other movies. Overall, the intended joke is not "Robert Heinlein is a Nazi". It's more like "all cultures that fight wars and make movies make movies about war the same way" or, in short "propaganda never changes". American movies glorify the American military the same way German movies glorified the German military in the 1940's, and this is so true that even in the 1990's (and honestly, probably still now) you could make something that was basically a Nazi propaganda film and Americans would see it as just a normal action movie. (And he was right--this is how it was marketed, and how a lot of people interpreted it, at the time. It took about a decade for most people to rewatch it and actually pick up on the satire.) He could have done this with any number of stories. It didn't have to be Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers just kinda happened to be on some studio person's mind at the time, from the stories I remember hearing.
There are plenty of other book (series even) where there's a similar alien threat and humans in power armor fighting them. The ones that i've read and can recommend are Old Man's war from John Scalzi and it's sequels. Actually, read anything and everything by John Scalzi. Frontlines series from Marko Kloos, Armor from John Steakley, this one is also interesting that, arguably, the Jack Crow character might be an inspiration for Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of Carribean >_> And Ofcourse, All You Need is Kill by Hiroshi Sakurazaka. The basis of Edge of Tomorrow movie.
It's really weird, but the OVA seems to also be heavily inspired by Joe Haldeman's novel "The Forever War" in terms of visuals and worldbuilding, though the plot is directly based on the first half of Troopers.
I only just recently subscribed and though I have gone through a lot of your backlog, I have to admit I was concerned that this video would include the kind of snippy, half-baked comments on the source material that videographers often feel obliged to put in even if they profess to know little about it. I'm glad to see that if that temptation was there, you consciously ignored it. The novel has inspired so many of the shows that you've covered, I bet it'd feel a little uncanny if you sat down to read it. Stick the audiobook version on some time, I think you'd appreciate it a lot for the cultural context it will provide alone.
I've read it. The science fiction ideas are interesting, the political commentary is as hamfisted and unsubtle as a brick to the head. It makes for particularly poor reading, and I'd imagine even less enjoyable listening. Heinlein was pretty open about it being a politically motivated work, intended to "address the lack of discipline in society" he saw around him.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Its a message that is important for people to understand, just as Brave New World warns against Hedonism or 1984 against Memetic Control. If a person finds the setting of Starship Troopers distasteful, they should consider that it is posited as a consequence of a human civilisation that has abandoned the principle of Discipline altogether. If you don't want a dystopia, do not sow its seeds. In terms of tone or readability, its much like many books on the subject of military training or philosophy. An interesting film to compare it to would be Buffalo Soldier, where it contrasts the mindset and discipline required for soldiery between multiple characters. ST takes pains to demonstrate how soldiery is not for everyone, and the skills the training provide can be misused. There's the cadet who washes out because he went prone on a red ant nest and refused to accept a disciplinary for not obeying orders while in extreme pain. There's the former officer who abducts and murders a child while off duty. These events aren't posited with a matter-of-fact ethical dissertation on what the moral of the story is; its left to the reader to consider. Plenty of subtlety if you have an open enough mind.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Thats not really a reply, just a "NO U". Brave New World is a book that centres on a warning about letting society be ruled by hedonic impulses. 1984 is centred on the consequences of letting authorities control the meaning fo things (Language, Idioms, History) and thus Memetic Control. Starship Troopers is a warning about letting society become sufficiently anti-Discipline, even if it does illustrate a best case scenario for that circumstance. If you can't qualify why that isn't a correct observation then you have no basis for rejecting the observation.
Well since you mentioned interesting Aliens in Mecha, you may want to take a look at the Muv-Luv properties such as Schwarzesmarken and Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse.
The OVA was closer to the novel compared to the 1990's movie. I think one issue of Sunrise, apart from commercial viability, in re-releasing this would be the need to get permission from the estate of Robert and Virginia Heinlein.
So in the book, the mobile infantry power armor weapons are almost exclusively a small nuclear warhead launcher and a flamethrower attached to their left arm.
I was today years old to learn that Starship Troopers had an OVA and now I kinda wanna track it down and watch this for myself.
My experience exactly.
Someone has posted the episodes to TH-cam with subs.
And you can find model kits of the Powered Suits that the anime design was taken from.
And older yet when you find out it had another animted series called roughnecks
same, just turned 36 recently lol.
@@ianjarrett9375 I actually did watch Roughnecks! That was a classic that sadly didn’t get to finish their run
As someone who HAS read the original novel... this adaptation is surprisingly faithful in numerous places. The training, the scene with Rico and Kitten out on the town, the power armor...
Interestingly, the OVA actually features an opening in High School at a sports game for Rico that is almost identical to a scene from the later Verhoven adaptation. Oddly, though, this OVA lacks the political commentary of the novel, which Verhoven's film maintained, yet it also was more faithful in terms of narrative.
The Verhoven flick was more a satire of the novel
@INFILTR8US the movie was satirizing militaries in general, because verhoeven refused to actually read the book and fought his producer who actually liked it and forced a lot of the stuff to remain
@volkskrieg8735 verhoeven has no excuse. He has a recurring pattern of doing this, where the second anything is even remotely not in line with his politics he decides it must be fascism. The very existence of a military at all is "fascistic" according to verhoeven.
What happens at the end? Do they just catch the brain bug an Barney stintson just zaps it while Rico goes to fight the next bugs as the command NCO?
@@AG-en5y I believe the brain bug was captured, but Rico played very little part in it. The story is told from Juan Rico's perspective, but oddly, a lot of really interesting events are only mentioned as having happened in places where he was absent, or he was physically present but unconscious. Oh, and Rico is identified as being Phillipino in the book, with Tagalog being his native tongue. Johnny is his nickname.
The Halo devs have stated in past that they based the Mjolni helmet off it and Studio Bones based the power armour from the prototype Halo OVA off the marauder as well
Holy shit. That helmet is so damn similar.
wasnt it based off of gundam’s GM-II / GM-Spartan?
@@peeaxe109 I think they were inspired by a few designs. The helmet in this OVA has similarities to both the MK VI and Recon helmets
Not to mention the ODST portion of Halo is very reminiscent Starship Troopers
@@1234567890greenegg drop pods, strict selection process, high dropout rate, highly trained, small in numbers. Is that correct?
12:05 what’s cool is this what’s mentioned in the book, that they had a training exercise that turned out not to be an exercise.
In the books, during training, 1:500 rounds was live. The idea being that the recruits would keep their heads down…and if they didn’t AND were particularly unlucky, well 🤷🏻♂️
If the recruits were sloppy in training, the drill instructors would threaten to lower the ratio.
"Gets by on vibes alone." Also an accurate description of the Book. Very very vibey.
There’s a bio-mechanical space plague in the game Homeworld: Cataclysm, that is known as “The beast”. It corrupts and assimilates other ships, and gets smarter as it’s biomass increases per assimilated vessel.
I loooooove Cataclysm. The Beast is one of the scariest villains ever 😢
I played that game when I was like 12 and did not expect the space strategy game to give me nightmares.
CUT US LOOSE!
"We wANt BeaCon BrAin" - the beast homeworld
I had only known of the Roughneck Chronicles CGI series. I really liked it, and it had an abrupt, cliffhanger ending due to being cancelled. Will have to check this OVA out as well.
This power armor also is featured on the Japanese edition of "the forever war".
Edit: the designer is Naoyuki Katoh
I see Japan also embraces the "You really should read Starship Troopers and Forever War back to back" theory.
@@DIEGhostfish and don't forget "armor" by John steakley.
The power armor triumvirate
Japanese forever war? Tell me more
@@tadghf6891 the cover of the Japanese edition of the book has a power armor very similar to this, created by the same designer. That's all. I love power armor, so this tidbit stuck with me
The visuals of the OVA as well, I really can't explain it very well in a brief comment but the first time I saw it I pretty much immediately thought "Oh ok yeah this is also a Forever War adaptation, at least visually."
The fact that the Heinlein Estate went after the one company that actually tried to be faithful to the story...and yet endoresed the Verhoven film.
Starship Troopers is to Heinlein what The Prince is to Machiavelli. Doesn't matter what else they ever wrote, they'll be forever remembered for that.
Naw, he's known equally in literary scifi circles for "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress"
Yeah, my introduction to him was A Cat Who Walks Through Walls.
Na, Heinlein was a famously prolific author. There's no one book that's drastically more famous than all the others.
Starship Troopers was actually one of his less famous novels before the movie, IIRC.
You clearly never read stranger in a Strange Land...which was even more popular than Star Ship Troopers when it came out
In terms of anime -- Macross Frontier does the "giant alien quasi-biomechanical bug swarm" thing with its central antagonists. Though Knights of Sidonia antagonists are closer to the Starship Trooper ones, as horrifying Lovecraftian biomasses in space.
Upvoted for mentioning KNIGHTS OF SIDONIA.
@@MarcMcKenzie-qb6orARISE MY FELLOW KNIGHTS OF SIDONIA!
Also Shinatose best girl, fight me.
@@MarcMcKenzie-qb6or Sadly, in his Break Blade review he asked for quality 2010's mecha anime and I completely blanked on Sidonia's existence. It was a quality series, and as both SF and mecha it wasn't afraid to be fucking weird.
@@twelfthknight That's all right--sometimes SIDONIA slips my mind even though I have volumes of the manga and the first season on DVD!😅
Blue gender has the same space bugs that can survive space and also features mechs after like 5 episodes
Blue gender also has some serious starship troopers vibes, need to finish it.
This powered suit's shape was designed by Kazutaka Miyatake, a Japanese visual artist and anime designer. This shape appeared in the novel illustration translated in Japanese in 1977 for the first time.
Miyatake is an unsung hero when it comes to mecha design. He designed the SDF-1 from MACROSS, for crying out loud!
This Channel has helped me so much to catch up to Mecha Anime I missed growing up over the years.
As far as giant organic spaceships go, check out the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars lore if you're not familiar - they have "worldships" which are like moon-sized organic space stations they use for extragalactic travel and staging invasions.
Im actually rereading the Thrawn trilogy and was planning on going through the Star Wars Legends books with the Vong soon!
1:50 The movie is more of a Satire of the ideas Verhooven thought were expressed in the *first five PAGES* of the novel. Since he openly said he stopped there. Screenwriter did read a bit further though.
To be fair, the first five pages are really the only part worth reading
@@INFILTR8US They certainly have the banger of a classroom scene.
I've read the entire thing. It doesn't get much better past that.
The problem with the novel is its basically just Heinlein on his soapbox and preaching to the reader (whether or not that was his intention that is certainly what it reads like), which gets old quickly.
Credit where it is due; the novel effectively invented the military mecha/real robot genre so it is the first step that would eventually lead to stuff like Gundam, Macross, Code Geass and even Battletech and Exo-Squad.
@spectre111 false, you clearly never served or truly understood the book. Their is a reason why the book is dedicated to Sergents.
The first 5 pages of the book are setting up the scene for the drop and also talking about your nerves before the drop.
You would very well understand this scene if you've even been a Paratrooper in a Mass Tac jump at 0100 in the pitch black
If you read the book you would see the Author is also arguing against a Military draft and the reason why a draft should exist.
I'm kind of amazed that you didn't mention Helldivers at all among the other IPs with bug-enemy influences, considering the enormous amount of references to Starship Troopers, notably the whole Terminid race of evolved bug enemies. I genuinely assumed the timing of this was intentional alongside Helldivers 2 being a hot topic in the gaming world right now.
Or Starcraft!
I remember showing the '97 film to a buddy of mine, I asked him what he thought and his response was "Where are the Protoss?"
Because helldivers is garbage
I wasn't even aware that this OVA existed! Thanks for sharing your perspective and analysis as always ❤
Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
Trust me it’s fucking sick right up your alley
I feel like I was the only person who had ever heard of that anime. It's really good -- one of my favorites. Definitely see parallels between the aliens in the OVA and the Hideauze
Lol I recommended it to him in a past vid and he said he'd tackle it eventually
@@SFish-wr4kh dude I'm so sad they cancelled season 2 for it
Chamber is based
There's a really good audio version of the book that was recorded in the 70's I think. It's here on the toobs. Definitely worth checking out.
I've found at least two versions, possibly a third. I haven't fully investigated the other two for completeness, but there are plenty of versions available for free out there. To anyone who hasn't experienced the book yet, put it on 1.5x speed and enjoy.
Did you know that if you use the Brave browser on your phone and run TH-cam through that (instead of the app), you can listen to videos with the screen off? It's a great way to listen to audiobooks over headphones or synched with your car's Bluetooth... just sayin'
Thanks!
Halo and 40k references in one video. We're eating good tonight boys!
KNIGHTS OF SIDONIA If your really interested in checking out shows with "bio mechanical" like alien threats against humanity in space where the alien threat seems almost too powerfull at some points, IMO anyways. If you havent seen it or have just heard about it and havent watched, i would deffinitly recomend it. theres a scene in the very first episode that sold me, and its just ...well lets just say IYKYK.
the manga ia top notch. The Anime is good, but the drawn style of it is not as creepy as the Manga
No, the Verhoven film is not a satire of the ideas expressed in the novel. What would become the Starship Troopers movie already had an existing script called Bughunt at Outpost 9 before Verhoven found out the studio he was working for had the rights to another bug fighting scifi work, the Starship Troopers novel.
By his own words Verhoven said he never made it more than three pages into the first chapter before getting bored and tasking scriptwriter Ed Neumeier with adapting the book.
All Neumeier was staple gun character names and places onto the existing script with the exception of two parts, the classroom scene debating force and the recruiting sergeant missing his legs.
Both are heavily truncated abridged versions of their original novel counterparts. Apart from that almost all of it has nothing in common with the book.
What’s the source for this? It seems Neumeier was pretty faithful to the events of the book if not the overall spirit. I see both book and movie as companion stories with different viewpoints rather than 1:1 clones.
@@commandercaptain4664 You want the sources? For starters there's the dvd commentary with Paul Verhoeven himself, The Making of the Starship Troopers Movie book by Paul Sammon, and various interviews with Ed Neumeier from the LA Times, Fangoria, and SciFi Entertainment magazine.
The spirit of the movie couldn't be anymore removed from that of the novel if tried... any harder than it already did. Hell the Band of Brothers miniseries is closer in spirit to the Starship Troopers novel than the movie that bears its name. Let that sink in for a moment.
@@commandercaptain4664 You want the sources? For starters there's the dvd commentary with Paul Verhoeven himself, The Making of the Starship Troopers Movie book by Paul Sammon, and various interviews with Ed Neumeier from the LA Times, Fangoria, and SciFi Entertainment magazine.
The "spirit" of the Starship Troopers movie couldn't be any further from the novel if it tried any harder than it already did to the point the miniseries Band of Brothers could be argued is a better adaptation and closer in spirit despite having nothing to do with it. The movie is that far off the mark.
Clearly you've not read the other quote from Verhoeven, where he clearly states that he wanted the people who realized it was satire to feel psychological pain from the people who didn't. You're an idiot who doesn't realize that the SCRIPT WRITER determines what a movie is about, the director just takes that script and films their vision of that script.
Also clearly you've not seen or read either if you don't think that Neumeier was keeping the events of the book in mind while writing the script.
Here’s to hoping we get a Gundam Thunderbolt review
I highly recommend Starship Troopers. The novel is great and is quite insightful about military training and why soldiers fight.
I was an infantryman. I've probably read it 30 times.
I would recommend Pork Chop Hill and One Bugle No Drums and Colder Than Hell, all about the Korean War that offer insights about experiencing combat. I also loved Starship Troopers but the other three are better. IMHO. Thank you.
I don't agree with everything in the book, but the idea that to gain a leadership position entails starting at the bottom and working your way up through the ranks through effort and results rather than who you know is very appealing to me.
@@MartyFreeze True, but not all “mustangs” ie officers promoted from the ranks are successful. But an understanding of the ranks and how to treat them is very useful.
@@Trevor-08Reason it's on military reading lists. I'm also currently an Infantrymen. You can telling the director was lying that he only read 5 pages, because if he did he only read the set up for the Drop and that was it.
People don't realize the book is more about leadership than anything else why making arguments for why people shouldn't be drafted into the military.
I spent years looking for this anime and eventually found it on the shadiest, most pop-up filled russian website imaginable.
It's grimy and yet so fascinating when you find genuine diamonds in the rough, mired in all the gunk of, like you said, the shadiest Russian internet back-alley you can imagine.
1337?
What did you find it under name wise?
@@andrejg4136 I miss the old internet. it has a charm to it that we'll never see again.
@@dollarbill6102 Im not sure, it was some variation of starship troopers 1988.
Tbh, this is more faithful to the book (despite many things being changed/altered) than the live-action 90's version; that movie changed the perception of the story so much that people only think of the movie and not the book. And showing the power suits alone makes the Japanese OVA version superior.
Ironically I love the book and movie(s) but for different reasons. My favorite aspect of the movie is the director lamented the hordes of people who didn’t realize it was satire and loved it anyway and really leaning into the hyper patriotism
@@charleshetrick3152 I feel like Verhoeven's style of satire just does not work for a story like this. It worked in Robocop, but with Starship Troopers it just kinda fell flat.
@@spectre111 I think it fails as satire because it actually depicts a homogenous functioning society. You can’t really say you’re making fun of something then depict it as living up to the expectations. I mean the humans win and we never actually see the negative aspects that might exist in such a society. At least in Robocop it very accurately showed a future we seem to be headed towards whilst taking its inspiration from present day dystopia and exaggerating it.
@@charleshetrick3152 Both movies are satire while trying to have a conventional heroic action movie plot, just with a sci-fi setting. I think it works in Robocop because while we see the flaws in the system but we also see our hero punish the corrupt executive which gives the ending a sense that the flaws are going to be corrected by good people like Murphy.
In Starship Troopers we see the flaws in the system, but they are never addressed so the movie ends with a feeling that the corruption will continue, our heroes will probably just get killed in the fighting and this will happen all over again in a generation or two.
I think Verhoeven is a good director, I like Robocop and Total Recall, but I think his approach just does not work for this kind of story.
@@charleshetrick3152 You should watch the movie again if you think human society is functioning in 90s Starship Troopers. Quite apart from the complete lack of a functioning justice system, or democracy being overrun by a military junta. The movie is structured like a propaganda piece produced by the authoritarian fascist government in-universe. At the end of the movie they do the "I'm doing my part" scene where they show literal children being given guns and told to go squash bugs. The implication is that the horrifying forever war the human race has locked itself into... is not going nearly as well as the propagandists making the movie would like you to think.
The power armor makes a debut in the CGI movie sequels for the Verhoven film and Casper van diem reprises his role as ricos voice not sure if he was in it for ST invasion but he definitely was in it for "Traitor of mars" and thats a great film
The anime style films are pretty good the sequels to the original movie were pretty bad. I’m still always astounded why no one in Hollywood can seem to just read the friggin book.
Finished re-watching Roughnecks the other week.
I'm a little embarrassed to say that I've never watched the 1988 OVA
The ending may feel rushed because this ends at the mid point of the novel. It's almost like they were planning at least three mire episodes, but got canceled.
I don't worry too much about spoilers for a seventy year old book, but...
Rico gets tapped for Officer Candidate School. We get more training montages and find out his dad sold the family business to enlist. Big fight with the bugs on Rico's cadet mission. He then gets commissioned as an officer and command of his own platoon. The book ends with Rico's Roughnecks preparing to assault the bugs' homeworld. His dad is the platoon chaplain, Zim is back as Rico's platoon sergeant, and Carmen is the captain of the ship the platoon is on.
This was a pain to find on Limewire back in the day.
13:50 : Well, in the TTRPG sphere, there is "The Swarm" from the 'Starfinder' RPG (yet another type of 'Space Locusts' 😅)
In the 'Roughnecks' show (a CGI series based on the ST movies) They expanded on the bugs to a huge degree, and even had one 'bug carrier' which used 'dragonfly' like wings to assist in its take off (would include a link, but I hear that TH-cam removes comments with links now)
Wow, one I actually missed. Thanks for sharing. Looks like it’s here on the tube so after this I’ll check it out.
if you havent checked it out i think gundam thunderbolt is a must watch series, would love to hear your breakdown of it
This isn't the only Starship Troopers animated series released.
I think the Radam from Tekkaman Blade are a good in-between point between the aliens in this Star ship troopers OVA and the bugs from the movie xD
the fucked up thing is that the Tekkamanization process is *supposed* to end with you completely brainwashed by a Radam parasite and doing everything possible to ensure their complete dominion and assimilation of a target planet.
Really like the tone of the retrospective,need to watch your whole catalog now. Thx
Your soundtrack choice is amazing. level 0 is top tier👌
Knights of sidonia has alien creatures like the ones you want to see.
Wait... Jonny? I have heard that in the books, the MC is Juan Rico. So did the movie know about and copy bits from the OVA or is it just coincidence, they changed the MC's name in the same way?
Haven't yet read the novel but the wikipedia page mentions "Johnny" as a nickname which was used for him instead of his name Juan.
Any chance you'll dive into Aura Battler Dunbine
Dunbine is one of Tominos most slept on works. Such a cool in between between mecha and fantasy. Like an early Escaflowne
PLEASE
i didnt know this existed, thank you and subbed!
Awesome video as always my dude!
It’s always bummed me out there wasn’t more of this or another attempt at it.
A Tyranid unit the aliens remind me are the neurothropes and zoanthropes. Big ole brain bugs that also shoot mind lasers.
If you’re after sci fi with biomechanical ships, try the inverted frontier series by Linda Nagata.
I watched the movie first, then the OVA back in 2017, then got the audiobook. The anime was closest to the original story. Maybe aduiobook it like I did? In the original, Johnny's father hated the fact he joined the MI.
I never even knew there was a Starship Troopers anime.
The Yuuzhan Vong from the old Star Wars extended universe traveled to the galaxy in living ships
When I die it will be to rad synth music!
I like the Starship Troopers for simply existing, being so 80s aesthetic, fairly obscure to modern or even 80s anime fandom, and for actually FEATURING POWER ARMOR
It's not directly analogous but the Flood from Halo kind of fit the bill, a biomass-based infection vector that replicates exponentially and can hibernate in the deep void of space.
While the first movie, and while we're at it the second one as well, doesn't feature the Marauder Power Armor, ST3 and the 90s CG cartoon series does feature. In fact the Marauder power armor is the focal point in Starship Troopers 3, though it doesn't get a lot of screen time until close to the end of the movie
Had no idea this existed! There’s a subbed version on TH-cam so will watch that then revisit this! Thanks!
Nobody's going to mention the pole in Rico's bedroom?
Assuming it's not for dancing (it's good exercise, he's entitled to have a hobby with no judgement) then everything that happens in his room is going to be heard downstairs. It's like a small child receiving their dream bedroom, only for it to become a nightmare once they hit puberty.
It part of the Ray Stantz collection of architecture. Once he encountered his first pole, it was decreed that all places in the future had to have them.
There’s something very GM about those power armor
Found this on TH-cam a couple of years ago, pretty much had the same feelings.
How did I not know this was a thing???!!! *Head explodes
I heard this one does a wonderful job of sidestepping the arguments about Heinlen's worldbuilding and political worldview by simply... Not having enough animation budget left after the fightscenes
Who is in powered armor? Bear is in powered armor? HOW CAN THIS BE? LOOK ITS TOM CRUISE! SHOW ME THE MONEY YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH! OOOHHH!!
It seems the 1998 movie took more from this OVA than from the novel. I love the 1998 movie, but I'm hoping the upcoming film honors the source material.
Thanks for the rundown on that show. I expected you to do the starship troopers cgi series.
The power armor in that ova reminds me of the Maddox from metal skin panic.
If you like that sort of alien menace I would recommend Megazone 23 pt 2 or the first Gall Force trilogy.
A good show dealing with squad dynamics is Galaxy Railways
I’m always amused at the changes they make from the book. For realsies you should read the book.
This looks great and I did love the movie but the book is so much better.
I find the PA in this to be much closer to Maddox Metal Skin Panic and the police/military PA of Bubblegum Cisis/AD Police.
Codex Alera is a fantasy series, but the main enemy of the entire series (and in each book) are basically the Zerg. ELementally powered romans have to team up with their barbarian enemies including Neanderthal Animal-Bonding Elves, Ice-powered Psychic Yeti, and Blood Magic wielding Wolf People in order to fight them. It's crazy fun!
I was just about to rewatch the ova and saw this new video lol
The Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars also has an all bio organic technology that includes living starship creatures as well
You should do Dougram
Zim was really out there slapping people like he lived in the Gundam Zeta universe.
The ova felt far to focused on bootcamp and the power armor itself. Its missing the second half, is how I felt about it. Still good, and for trooper fans I do recommend.
Having read the book and seen this OVA as well the other adaptations.
The OVA is closer and more respectful to the book. Albeit of course having differences from the source material, as well a toning down or absence of the political aspects.
Though the book wasn’t as heavy in politics as many make it out to be, or fascist. I mean a 15-25 page comic book issue today is likely more political than the entirety of Heinlein’s book.
Only big political take it goes with is being anti-communism in rather simple yet effective jabs; without needing a heavy diarrhea load of context like you would more modern writers.
Mostly what I got out of the book with IMO its main points were Choice and Responsibility. An if freedom of choice along with the responsibilities of said choices, etc, is “fascist,” or the sort; then really that honestly says there’s a problem with the reader than the book.
Also if you think the armor looks similar to Halo’s; you should check out Roughnecks Starship Troopers Chronicles, which came out 2 or 3 years before Halo. Armor is so alike; hell it’s even the same color of green.
It was definitely classist, given the division between first class citizens who serve over the second class civilians who do not. That was preserved in the movie, if not expanded upon.
@@commandercaptain4664 It isn't classist. Rico comes from a wealthy family who aren't "citizens" because they never served. The only thing that prevents them from doing in the book's setting is voting. The book is about investment in a system, choice, and responsibility. It's also a good example of the weight of leadership from a military perspective.
@PerfectTangent Voting is the defining characteristic of its classicism, which is not some minor privilege, as any democracy can prove.
Clearly you lack the ability to critically think if you think that "serve in the military or be shipped off to slave mines if you want to vote" is "freedom of choice", you're the last person who should be talking about political theory. And lol, it's anti-communist the same way McCarthy was, attacking a bunch of things that have nothing to do with communism.
@@Gustav_Kuriga ...what "slave mines" are you talking about? You're not describing something from the book.
Oh, and:
“Every time we killed a thousand Bugs at a cost of one M.I. it was a net victory for the Bugs. We were learning, expensively, just how efficient a total communism can be when used by a people actually adapted to it by evolution; the Bug commisars didn't care any more about expending soldiers than we cared about expending ammo. Perhaps we could have figured this out about the Bugs by noting the grief the Chinese Hegemony gave the Russo-Anglo-American Alliance; however the trouble with 'lessons from history' is that we usually read them best after falling flat on our chins.”
Damn... It took me 16 minutes to realize I watched that show. That scene at the bar was the trigger.
Quick primer on Heinlein for you: when he wrote Star Ship Troopers he was pretty conservative. It was _the_ quintessential "better dead than red" text. Heinlein's politics changed as he aged, though, and by the time he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land, he was under FBI investigation, suspected of being a communist.
If anything, the movie was truer to Heinlein's politics when he died than the book.
Have an upvote just for the AC3 music, good sir
The armour remunds me of the Mk. 1 Mjolnir prototype from the Halo anime Prototype.
I think either the Maddox suit was modeled after this, this was modeled after the Maddox suit, or they were both based on a design for a wargame. Or they were all based on a Japanese cover for the book? I can’t precisely remember.
Maddox was released in 1987, IIRC. This SST OVA was 1988.
Bandai did make a model kit from the power armor , but now is very rare and expensive.
Now the things maybe the reason of the ova?
Wave has put out a series of model kits based on the Powered Suits. Got a couple of them and they are pretty cool, and they are not expensive.
@@MarcMcKenzie-qb6or was mostly because bandai and sunrise was so close partnership even to brought the studio at rhe end
Wave does kits for it now, and they get reissued from time to time, but Wave does take it's sweet, sweet time to reissue kits. I think there's a few currently up for order/preorder though.
@@wolfehoffmann2697 Yep. Got the Commander version and another type from HobbyLink Japan Mandarake. Still have to build them but they look great.
Are the reissues exact copies or are there changes with the molds? I assume the boxes have different art at least.
I don't remember if you ever covered Knights of Sydonia, from what you've said about Zergs/Tyranids I think it would be right up your alley
The Xenosaga series has an alien entity called Gnosis and they are capable of space travel. Larger ones are also referred to as ships that are just an amalgamation of the things they absorb.
The bad guys in Stargate Atlantis have spaceships that are living beings. There's an episode where one of the crew becomes infected with the virus that turns you into a spaceship. It's pretty wild
I remeber watching this off a rented disc from extra vision when i was 8 to 9 it was dubbed (it could of been something else but i remember starship troopers in this type of animation)
Never realized that the term “Jump Jet” from Battletech originated from the novel.
Gotta love how all the TH-camrs are playing ape escape music in the background now.
I've read the book. The Verhoeven movie isn't really a satire of the book (though there are a few jabs, obviously) so much as a satire of the movie industry.
IIRC Verhoeven has told journalists he hadn't even read the book when he signed on to do the movie, the resemblances between the two are actually pretty limited, and the general tone of schlock leaning into its schlockiest elements is shared with a lot of Verhoeven's other movies.
Overall, the intended joke is not "Robert Heinlein is a Nazi". It's more like "all cultures that fight wars and make movies make movies about war the same way" or, in short "propaganda never changes".
American movies glorify the American military the same way German movies glorified the German military in the 1940's, and this is so true that even in the 1990's (and honestly, probably still now) you could make something that was basically a Nazi propaganda film and Americans would see it as just a normal action movie.
(And he was right--this is how it was marketed, and how a lot of people interpreted it, at the time. It took about a decade for most people to rewatch it and actually pick up on the satire.)
He could have done this with any number of stories. It didn't have to be Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers just kinda happened to be on some studio person's mind at the time, from the stories I remember hearing.
My old anime club used to watch this in AV Club at our High School. Back when anime was called Japanimation.
The aliens on this interpretation of starship troopers reminds me a lot to the gaunas from Knights of sidonia and the galsctic bugs from gunbuster
Dino Crisis save room music in intro,
Me: Time to dig out my ps1 catalog and boot up my old trusty ps2 again.
Enjoy my like good sir.
Tekkaman blade has literally what you want in a space alien ship terrorizing the globe
I'd say it's pretty spot on as an adaptation,it's much more closer to the book than the film
13:50 BETA from Muv-Luv
"Roughnecks: Starship troopers chronicles" when?
Early 20000s, exec produced by Verhoeven.
There are plenty of other book (series even) where there's a similar alien threat and humans in power armor fighting them. The ones that i've read and can recommend are
Old Man's war from John Scalzi and it's sequels. Actually, read anything and everything by John Scalzi.
Frontlines series from Marko Kloos,
Armor from John Steakley, this one is also interesting that, arguably, the Jack Crow character might be an inspiration for Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of Carribean >_>
And Ofcourse, All You Need is Kill by Hiroshi Sakurazaka. The basis of Edge of Tomorrow movie.
It's really weird, but the OVA seems to also be heavily inspired by Joe Haldeman's novel "The Forever War" in terms of visuals and worldbuilding, though the plot is directly based on the first half of Troopers.
It’s also rather usual for OVAs to have sequels. This one was probably unprofitable.
The Forever War is a direct response to the ideas of Starship Troopers, if not the book itself. So no shit.
Fucking rude bitch. Do you remember that time your mom hit you?
What do you mean "no shit"? I bet you're just the most insightful little bear at the Clarion Writers Workshop aren't you motherfucker?
Do you remember that time your mom hit you?
I only just recently subscribed and though I have gone through a lot of your backlog, I have to admit I was concerned that this video would include the kind of snippy, half-baked comments on the source material that videographers often feel obliged to put in even if they profess to know little about it. I'm glad to see that if that temptation was there, you consciously ignored it.
The novel has inspired so many of the shows that you've covered, I bet it'd feel a little uncanny if you sat down to read it. Stick the audiobook version on some time, I think you'd appreciate it a lot for the cultural context it will provide alone.
I've read it. The science fiction ideas are interesting, the political commentary is as hamfisted and unsubtle as a brick to the head. It makes for particularly poor reading, and I'd imagine even less enjoyable listening. Heinlein was pretty open about it being a politically motivated work, intended to "address the lack of discipline in society" he saw around him.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Its a message that is important for people to understand, just as Brave New World warns against Hedonism or 1984 against Memetic Control.
If a person finds the setting of Starship Troopers distasteful, they should consider that it is posited as a consequence of a human civilisation that has abandoned the principle of Discipline altogether. If you don't want a dystopia, do not sow its seeds.
In terms of tone or readability, its much like many books on the subject of military training or philosophy. An interesting film to compare it to would be Buffalo Soldier, where it contrasts the mindset and discipline required for soldiery between multiple characters.
ST takes pains to demonstrate how soldiery is not for everyone, and the skills the training provide can be misused. There's the cadet who washes out because he went prone on a red ant nest and refused to accept a disciplinary for not obeying orders while in extreme pain. There's the former officer who abducts and murders a child while off duty.
These events aren't posited with a matter-of-fact ethical dissertation on what the moral of the story is; its left to the reader to consider. Plenty of subtlety if you have an open enough mind.
@@BobExcalibur wow, you sure did read both those books and fail to understand them
@BobExcalibur you're what I like to refer to as a "literalist". The concept of a written work being more than what it literally says is beyond you.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Thats not really a reply, just a "NO U".
Brave New World is a book that centres on a warning about letting society be ruled by hedonic impulses. 1984 is centred on the consequences of letting authorities control the meaning fo things (Language, Idioms, History) and thus Memetic Control. Starship Troopers is a warning about letting society become sufficiently anti-Discipline, even if it does illustrate a best case scenario for that circumstance.
If you can't qualify why that isn't a correct observation then you have no basis for rejecting the observation.
I miss 80's and 90's ova's
Well since you mentioned interesting Aliens in Mecha, you may want to take a look at the Muv-Luv properties such as Schwarzesmarken and Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse.
The OVA was closer to the novel compared to the 1990's movie.
I think one issue of Sunrise, apart from commercial viability, in re-releasing this would be the need to get permission from the estate of Robert and Virginia Heinlein.
Carmencita is a diminutive of Carmen, a common woman name here in Latin America. It basically means Little Carmen.
So in the book, the mobile infantry power armor weapons are almost exclusively a small nuclear warhead launcher and a flamethrower attached to their left arm.
I really enjoyed this OVA and other than my old roommate that had a copy if it i didnt know anyone else that had watched it.
13:12 they fought more than bugs in the book