When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak in Greek and so he asked: "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy".
@Greece 1821 first of all you probably mean South Epirus not North. Second of all are you trying to say that he did or he didnt hear anyone speak Albanian? Please enlighten us with your knowledge
@@levesd3722 I dont know the source of what it was said in the first comment about King Otto and you might be right..sound like a novel by the way it is written/presented here..But, it is a fact that in the ealry 1800' the majority of the population in and around Athens spoke Arvanitika/Albanian. They were Arvanites. And that is not said by Albanian authors but by foreigners and Greeks. "Like the rest of the population, since the 1950s, Arvanites have been emigrating from their villages to the cities and especially to the capital Athens, which, incidentally, was a mainly Albanian (Arvanite) small town in the early 1800’s, before becoming the Greek state’s capital (Nakratzas, 1992:87-8)"...Edmond About, Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day, Edinburgh, 1855 (translation of La Grèce contemporaine, 1854): "Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood." (p. 32);
@@ardip.6930 That was from a novel , I have looked it out. Back then the whole of Attica had only 8.000 of total population and more than half of them were Arvanites since it was a poor region. In Corinth there are still a few villages which are called arvanitoxoria (arvanite villages) where many old men still speak arvanitika as well as greek.
@@levesd3722 you might be right about the population of Athens during that time. I was merely pointing out the majority of that population. As far as arvanite villages, you can find those in Corinth, in Euvia, Boeotia, Attica , a few islands ...I have been in two villages around Livadia years ago, and two of the old guys I spoke to were Arvanites and spoke Arvanitica/Albanian..in the Tosk dialect ( South Albania where I am from)
Arvanitika is not a Greek dialect,it is a dialect derived from the Albanian Tosk. In Greece Arvanitika is a language spoken by the minority of Arberesh.
"During the onset of the Greek war of Independence, Arvanites fought alongside Greek revolutionaries and against Muslim Albanians.[41][42] For example ARVANITES PARTICIPATED IN THE Tripolitsa MASSACRE OF MUSLIM ALBANIANS." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites
@@Gkogkas I'm Albanian and I'm understanding everything they are singing . You as a Greek , understand anything what are they singing ?????? Sure you don't , because you are a gypsy from Persia or elsewhere.
@@Gkogkas you didn't respond to my question . That means you are approving me . By the way I'm not nationalist . But facts are facts, arvanites are Albanians , and arvanites are the real Greeks . All of those who fought against Turks in 1821in greece, were Albanians . Till 1831 , the official language in Greece was Albanian. You are brainwashed by Orthodox Church and Golden Dawn party , and hate Albanians . Keep hating, I don't care , but the truth can't be changed. The so called Greece today , is 60 % arvanite/Albanian , others are Turkmongols, slavic and other asiatic ethnicities . Find me an old map where the words "greece or hellas" is written . The Term "greece" is no more than 100 years old . Even your meaningless and ugly flag was established in 1978. Albanian flag is one of the 5 oldest flags on Earth since 1443 (you can search for it). And of course, is one of the most beautiful flags in the world, and I know you like it so much too . Your tend to judge our history by seeing situation of today Albanians . We were under dictatorship for 45 year's , totally isolated for 45 year's , and of course we have problems . But this , can't change the history . And the history is ours , illyrian-pelasgic history , 5000 years old . The biggest proof for that , is our language, oldest language on Earth. That language that Arvanites couldn't forget for hundreds of years , even though in Greece there is not any school in Albanian language . Your propagandist state and Orthodox Church , is trying hard and is spending million's to hide the true history of modern Greece. But it's impossible, will happen only God's will . Go and eat suflagi now , triggered neo greek
Arvanites did not hate the Albanians before.... but when they saw and heard some bad stories on how some of them were stealing and selling drugs in greece, now SOME arvanites don't like Albanians. Either way, the early 1990s was a bad time for Albanians as they were extremely poor (think of Cuba). Now the Albanians have great realtions with arvanites in many leves, intellectually, business wise, politics wise, culturally wise, or simply just great family friends. We are one blood.
"Epirus (/ɪˈpaɪrəs/; Northwest Greek: Ἄπειρος, Ápeiros; Attic: Ἤπειρος, Ḗpeiros) was an ancient GREEK state, located in the geographical region of Epirus in the western Balkans. The homeland of the ancient Epirotes was bordered by the Aetolian League to the south, Thessaly and Macedonia to the east, and Illyrian tribes to the north." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_(ancient_state)
@@snipeno So according to you, the Greek state committed genocide to albanians but at the same time is composed 100% by albanians?! 😂 Your brain is obviously dead mate. Thanx for making me laugh. 😂
@@vangelisskia214 It’s not hard to understand that the Greek state has assimilated and mixed the local population that are forming your modern country which is Greece. It’s also not hard to understand that most of them have albanian roots which are called arvanites in your country and it’s very well documented by your country. So now, tell me why assimilated people are not capable of committing a genocide which is also a major and sad event of the previous century ?
@@snipeno "A Venetian source of the mid-15th century estimates that 30,000 Albanians lived in the Peloponnese at that time.[20]""Regarding the number of Arvanites in Greece, the 1951 census (the last census in Greece that included a question about language) gives a figure of 23.000 Arvaiithka speakers. Sociohinguistic research in the 1970s in the villages of Attica and Biotia alone indicated a figure of at least 30.000 speakers (Trudgill and Tzavaras 1977), while Lunden (1993) suggests 50.000 for Greece as a whole." wiki/Arvanites
@@snipeno There were significant numbers of Arvanitika speakers or bilingual speakers (of both Greek and Arvantitika) in particular parts of eastern Attica and Peloponnisos, but still 4/5 of the population of the early smaller Greek state, according to all documentation and scholarship, were Greek speakers. Later when Greece tripled its size, Arvanitka speakers became an even smaller percentage of the overall population. One can simply search for a map in a search engine and easily see the particular small areas they existed in. There is not even one estimation which supports the idea that they were ever more than 50000 souls... Your unsubstantiated and unsupported by documentation and scholarship lies about Greeks commiting genocide are simply laughable and believed only in Albania and nowhere ese in the whole planet earth...
Hmm anatolian-like people in Greece. I guess you can give me their name as well as your reference. Pontians werent Anatolians but Greek settlers. Dont mix them.
Since when is Kolokotronis ( original name Tzeryinis), Athanasios Diakos and Dimos Drakos Arvanites ? Drakos was Souliote but from a Greek family. Kolokotronis was Arcadian and Diakos(means Deacon) was born as "Athanasios Nikolaos Massavetas. Do they sound Albanian to you?
"Included under the generic name of Arnauts, it was recruited from Roumeliote Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians, who acted as body-guards to the princes, the great functionaries, and even the simple Boyards." Gordon Thomas, History of the Greek revolution, 1844, London & Edinburgh, 2nd edition, volume 1, page 95
Angelos Daresis 8 months ago Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language.
@@afrimademi9713 Lord Byron about the modern turkalbanian artificial dialect 1820: Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is the basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. Their numbers were nonexistent before the Turks imported them from Dagestan and their name was Mongol in all the Balkans. They are short, yellow-ish with prominent boxheads. In all instances they spoke a turkish dialect which could neither be read nor written. In modern times this becdame under communism the Modern Turkalbanian language🤣🤣🤣🤣
The quote about Otto you posted here is completely contradictory with the historical truth. By 1821 Attic was indeed inhabited almost exclusively by Arvanites, with several important exceptions, when indigenous Greeks still lived: 1) Megara 2) Oropos 3) Athens - it was a true exception. Let's see some demographical data: In 1674 year an english consul (with french origin) who lived in Athens, J. Giraud (known in Greece as Ιωαννής Ζιρώ) gave us a thorough view of the city's population: 1300 Greek houses 600 Turkish (muslim) houses 150 Arvanite (Albanian) houses (majority of them located in the sole Arvanite district of Athens - Plaka, which is of course derived from albanian Plakë) 3 houses of foreigners (his own included) In 1800, the situation was not very different: 12 500 overall: 8.000 Greeks 3.500 Turks All the rest were Arvanites (still living almost exclusively in Plaka), however we know also about several Romani and Ethiopians who lived by then in Athens. Hence when you was in the villages of Attic in the beginning of XIX century you could really wander among local farmers and never hear anybody speaking Greek. But if you went into Athena (in those days a small town) it was impossible for you to not hear the Greek language, which was spoken in daily life on its streets. Apart from that, you made an error. There when you gave someone called Δήμος Δράκος (I really don't know who it is supposed to be) you fixed a picture of Athanasios Diakos, who was born in Artotina in Phocis (a region with no Arvanitochoria), and was a Greek. His true surname was Grammatikos, though sometimes his family used the name Massavetas, which is simply a Turkish translation of this word (with meaning "registrar of tax records", because it was probably the profession of his ancestors). You also forgot about several important Arvanite leaders like Plapoutas and Odisseas Androutsos (his mother was Greek, but his father was an Arvanite cleft). Yes, Kolokotronis was an Arvanite. In half. From his paternal side he originated from a hellenised Arvanite family called Bocka (Μπότσικας), which original name was Cergini (Τζεργίνης). But people also have mothers, which a lot of "historians" tend to omit. His mother was Zambia Kotsaki (Ζαμπία Κωτσάκη), born in Alonistena (Αλωνίσταινα) in Arcadia, she was a Greek woman with origin from Crete. In summary, famous Theodoros Kolokotronis was a half Arvanite and half Cretan Greek. Eh, I really wish Albanians did more research and didn't trust blindly what their demagogs say... -_-
2:25 On this picture we can see Athanasios Diakos, not Dimos Drakos! You should correct this. Athanasios Massavetas / Grammatikos was ethnic Greek, not an Arvanite. Also this is not true that Athens were Arvanite city. Athens, together with Megara or Oropos were Greek-speaking cities. Arvanites lived in Athens but mainly in district called Plaka.
before making a video at leat check some factors...Zaharias Papantoniou was born in 1877...he wasn't there when king Otto came to Greece...first check the dates and then make a propaganda....but it was a nice try
Also, what do you mean "never rewarded for their sacrifices" many of our national heroes spoke Arvanitika and are praised even to this day. Also, Arvanites, who were Greeks, didn't differentiate themselves from other Greeks and mixed with the southern Greek population
Either way, on all sides you had Arbëror people. Ali Pasha, Ali Mehmet, Ataturk, Bytheguri, Boçari, Bubullina, etj.... they were all one. Greeks were never heard of. Half of the Anatolian/Kurdish population that lives in Greece now, is because of these Arvanites, for the Anatolians did not raise a finger. However, they are getting so much love, that they are even interbreeding with Europeans like Arbanites. Po prishni gjakun tuaj me evgjitet e Anadollit.
My Albanian who thinks he knows something, you are not older than the Greeks in Europe or the Balkans. Your people came to the area around 1 century A.D. not before that. So, stop with this bullshit agenda you have because its not working!!! The world knows who is who !!! Any ancient civilization has left us something behind either in writings or symbols or pottery or structures .....something !!! Where are the Albanian things from thousands of years ago you people claim to be from these periods... Please show us all.... we are all dying to see them !!! Don't sit there and tell us you didn't have a written language and that all you people did was speak !!! That's sounds pathetic doesn't it !!! You are not Pelasgians you are not Illyrians either.... your a bunch of thieves who stole there way to a country !!! Thats about it !!! Be fucking happy you have a country today Albanian !! Go and make your history now !!!! let's see !!! Show us !!! The Hellenes had a language from 3500 yrs ago and its all around you even in your so called Albania today !! You know why because it was all Greek back then... Albanians didn't exist as yet!!! Not until around much much much later !!! So please with this bullshit !!!!
Arvanites in Greece is now ,that want all of Albanians if not islamizaded by the Turks in the 15th century after the death of Skenderbei.Christians Greeks Orthodoxs. The Albanians always was a Hellenic Greek Tribe of Epirus before the Ottomans.
"Arvanitis respondents IMIR's team spoke with, talked about Albanians WITH DISGUST..." 🤣 Hajdinjak Marko (2005). Don't want to live with them, can't afford to live without them: Albanian labor migration in Greece Archived 2015-07-01 at the Wayback Machine. Academic paper. International Center for Minority Studies and Intercultural Relations (IMIR). pp. 8-9.
@@levesd3722 Arvanite hidtory of course,their origins and whnat Arvanitika(Arbërisht)is.Take a look in which linguistic branch Arvanitika is placed. Can you understand Arvanitika little gypsy?😂😂😂😂
@Jeffanos In 1955 the school in Andros had around 150 pupils; three years after there were only a dozen, cause many of them immigrated with their families to Australia, Europe and America. The elders cried that the island was going to dead, but when the albanians came in the '90, the people was very happy, at least the arvanites were happy. Cause they associated that immigration to that of their forefathers. Andros was rebuild for the second time from the albanians. And the school today is full.
arcamDeitango In the Year 1931 Athens was made 8000 Houses , where most of them inhabitants were Albanians - Helene Glykatzi -Ahrweiler, The Majority of Grek soldiers spoke in Albanian to one another. The typical Greek of the time spoke Arvanite a language very very close realeated to Albanian language, a Albanian dialect. THe National Costume of Greek is the Albanian Fustanella . The national Dance of Greek Gipsys from Turki and Egypt is the Albanian Chamiko The Dance of the Cams - Camet subgroup of Albanian in Greece. Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language. Ried Gipsy ta qifsha rracen e zeze Africano Turke Gipsy Egiptiane : Lord Byron : Albanians with their costumes make a most wonderful scenary in the world.... Albanians are the most beautifulhumann race exist courageous , Stromger than their strongholds. Konstantin Paparigopoulos Only the Albanian race are considered descendants of the Ilyrians and the Ilyrians descendants of Pelazgien one. Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe. General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin-they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races. Henri Braisford : In Macedonia Albanians are thre only indigenous people. Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanians derives from Ilyrian and the Ilyrian from Pelasgien one. Prof. Edwin Jaques : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessness sons were warriors of the Albania Ancestors of Achilles Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus. Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkan peninsula found there the Albanians. Prof. Sir Edwin Pears : Albanians are the descendants of the oldest race in Balkanic peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language merans - Pure Gold. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians. Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to Nations who are older then the History, and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in the Troj war , ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part. Alphonse de Lamartine : Albanians this Nation and this people can not be mocked -This is the Land of Heros of all Time ... Homer found there Achilles , the Greeks the Alexander the Great , Turks found Scanderbeg, People these of the same race the same Blood. Robert Gordon Latham : Macerdonia and Thracia were Albanians / Skipetar. Joseph Salinger : The Epirotes language of the past is the Albanian language of Today. Nikolla Jorga : The Albanian people together and the Basks one are the oldest in Europe. Gipsy ik Tash ne Turki or ne Egypt te Vllezerit e tu Gipsy Egiptians ta dhefsha rracen e poshter Bythe zi muti. The geneticist Cavalli Sforza 1997 carried out a study on the genetic data of European populations obtained by using the classifications of blood groups and the DNA markers relating to the Y chromosome. His conclusions, now universally accepted, have contributed decisively to reconstructing the historical and geographical evolution of the human gender. Well according to Cavalli Sforza the Albanians would be the most ancient people of Europe. Reply
albanian PROUD turk MUSLIMAN I am not a Turk. If you are one, go and live in Turkey. Stop fucking around with this bullshit propaganda. Stupid fake account. I will report you now.
albanian NATI0NALIST Fuck you. You are not an Albanian; you are Greek or Slav. You are spreading propaganda. You sound a bit stupid; therefore, I don't think anybody is taking you seriously.
"The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside." Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, σελ. 353, 354
Greeks are skipetarian seed .. its ok to be albanian because our history is wealthy and our language is beautiful we are the freeman star people the sun of Zeus don’t be afraid to admit what you are
We should mention that among the most famous leaders in revolution not even one was arvanite, all of them were from arcadia and laconia, non arvanitic parts. on contrary, albanians were the main soldiers of turkish army in Greece. also, 2:22 is not dimos drakos, nor any arvanite, nor from souli. He is athanasios Diakos from fokis
Brennos Galatis... u made me laugh.. ar kadi. Lakonia.. first of all those names are Albanian 2d they were all Arvanit Shqipetar or OLD GREEK.. every name that u have in your country is Albanian. Everyone of them.. and and they r still in use today.. lakonia.hahha lako lako plako a po nin..Jack ass..
Ken pira can you give me one map or one source promoting that either Arcadia or laconia were inhabited by arvanites? Cause official history says they weren't And if my country is "Albanian", then why do we lack brachycephalic flat heads and Balkan culture that you have? Why only 5% of the people know to speak arvanitic?
@@kenikriezispirasspatas8982 man those names exist in the Region since over 3.000 years and this regions had indeed very view Arvanites, ist where the revlution starts and most of them was local Greek People who spoke exclusive Greek fromt his regions. The Arvanites came also and Play an important role in the Revolution with many fighters and heroes, the true is that you confuse some Things the way you like.
@@montaninio8916 played. There was NO other! U understand what I'm saying NO other peopels or language spoken in GRAECA/GREECE until Population trade with Turkey. After Population trade 5 km from ATENA/Athina towns couldn't understand this new Language, ill show you news papers. If u like. I'm from ÇAMERIA, I'm Arvanite QamPirot Grake, our Grand Grand fathers never heard this language EVER in this side of EGE euro SIDE.
@@igli2012 wtf you are 🦱 of dagestan XD the fact that you can see videos is amiracle hahahaha you are so pathetic the truth is not for you Turkalbanians ;-)
"The Epirotes were speakers of an epichoric Northwest GREEK dialect, different from the Dorian of the Greek colonies on the Ionian islands, and bearers of mostly GREEK names, as evidenced by epigraphy." Katičić, Radoslav (1976). Ancient Languages of the Balkans. The Hague: Mouton.Filos, Panagiotis (2018). "The Dialectal Variety of Epirus". In Giannakis, Georgios K.; Crespo, Emilio; Filos, Panagiotis (eds.). Studies in Ancient Greek Dialects: From Central Greece to the Black Sea. Berlin and Boston: Walter de Gruyter. pp. 215-248
You may share the opinion of the lower class of the Arvanites in Greece. This video however was prepared by one of your fellow Arvanites, not me. I don't know Greek, and therefore I can't write. Your "blood spilling assimilation" argument is flawed. There are lots of videos about Albanians helping and overthrowing the Ottoman Empire. It was a personal preference (just like some Arvanites hate Albanians and some love them). Here I'm trying to bring to light a story never told.
Sto_Karfi! Very simple reason,, arvanites are pure Albanian.. that's all , Arvanites-arbereshet-Albanian They are speaking very clear Albanian language even today .
eugen qemali Really? And why is this a reason to be proud? They never considered themselves albanians, you can ask them!Many of us we also descent from them and we don't have any feeling about you...So why in a video where greeks are participating you are proud?Do we bother you by honouring our ancestors? You insist they were albanians and also they are, but they insist that they aren't and also that you in the southern albania at some point are of Greek origin!So where is the point to proud of?
@hekoka George is a Greek name. It means the "farmer". Geo is the land, the Earth (Geo-graphy). MJ looks more like Albanian than a Hellen. Anyway I dont expect from uneducated people to know etymology.It's reasonable !!!!
Some years ago, and to be more exact in 1994. Marco Boçari's great-grandson who bares the same name and lastname as his predecesor was involved in a distance debate with a minister othe Greek government who had denied the contribution of the Arvanites in the Greek revolution and had also denied the Albanian origins of Marko's family. Marko's great-grandson is a profesor in the University of Queensland, Australia. Among oher things he replied by saying: " ...is a fact tha in Greece live over....
Buddy correct me if im wrong but this study reveals nothing on the pontians. It presents middle eastern and levantine DNA in green and blue respectively and neither the Pontians nor The area of Greece were included. Also I asked if you know the number of the participatns foe that research cause i heard it was very low. Do you know ?
I see, I dont know any studies on them, although every study must be verified before being mentioned as fact. But anyway. Then one last question. How come you post the same thing in numerous videos even though what you say has nothing to do with the video's content( i.e. this one)
As far as I know all Orthodox people living in Albania ( shiperia ?) holds Greek names. It tells everything. There is no Orthodox holding turkish or Othoman names, or arabian names.
All Orthodox people in Albania have Greek names, all Catholics have Latin names, all Muslims have Turkish names and newer generation has Illyrian names (the latest being a trend during the communist period)
Very well, have it your way. 2 last questions. Since you cant provide proof of your claim on Pontians why do you support your "guess" ? Do you know how many people gave smaples in Cyrpus for that research?
Still yuu dont answer why you spam this over and over. Dont tell me to get something through my head when you boviously have trouble doing the same. Just keep saying what you like.
Also is this study about the Etruscans accepted by modern academia or is it another case of the I-Genea practise? Secodnly in another study which proved the Minoans were Europeans based on their Dna (mtDNa actually) you said it wasnt enough. Is it enough here?
Oh that study. Two questions: Do you know by any chance hw many people from Cyprus contributed to this research? I heard they were 12 which is somehwat weird. Do you know? Where exactly does it prove your claim abput Pontians?
What I don't understand is how if you listen to Albanians they claim they did all the fighting against the Turks while the Greeks stabbed them in the back. They win the war against an empire with a huge army, gain independence, and then proceed to hand over everything to the Greeks without a fight. WOW generous people those Albanians!
"the ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside". Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, σελ. 353, 354
Watch this video. This is why we Albanians are confused when it comes to the language. And today's Greek language sounds like the Albanian language. th-cam.com/video/KdQwalCPNAs/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2-yd4ogcFhqZSKH3g-OVZi-2NRU-T-yBy40GQWcOw6eB5h-YUAxYLYqns
Indeed “Greek” was an emic term in the Hellenistic period, referring generally to both the original Greeks and the *HELLENIZED* population. Greek resurrection beliefs and the success of Christianity (with preview) New York: Palgrave Macmillan , 2009 Dag Øistein Endsjø
Kolokotronis was not an Arvanite...neither was Miaoulis,his family came to Hydra island from Euboea.He just grew up knowing Arvanitika,since Hydra was an arvanite speaking island.Souliotes too were fluent in Greek and Albanian,Souli was a semi-autonomous region,many Greek-speaking popoulation settled in Souli,not all Souliotes were Arvanites
Kolokotroni was arvanites! He become 'vllam' = Blood Brother with the Albanian Muslim in Greece based on pupose to unite in war agaisnt Turks... based on same Albanian origin! All Suliotes were of same origine as Albanian! We must say that in general most of inhabitant in Greece were of SAME ORIGINE AS ALBANIAN. It is not accurate to say that Arvanites in general are of Albanian origine technically... But, they are of SAME ORIGINE WITH THE ALBANIAN. The first implies they come from Albania into Greece... the second indicates they are autoctonous in Greece! It is true that some Albanian have relocated from one region into other during different times, but if a few Albanian relocate from one town to another that does not mean thay are not autoctonous just becuse their towns or regions are turned into a new modern countries by the occupiers!
@@aggelosmone6472 Oι Αλβανοι ειναι Ελληνες βρε ηλιθιε.Αν τουρκεψατε εσεις δεν φταινε οι Αρβανιτες που παρεμειναν με ελληνικη συνειδηση μετα τον θανατο του καστριωτη.Τον Μαρκο Μποτσαρι αν τον ελεγες κατι αλλο εκτος απο Ελληνας θα σου εκοβε το κεφαλι αληταρα.
@@aggelosmone6472 τι να σου πω ρε φιλε..Μπορει να εχεις δικιο Εγω ειμαι απο το πωγωνι συνορα με Θεσπρωτια Θυτε Βλαχος,ουτε Αρβανιτης,ουτε Τσαμης ,ουτε απο ανατολια,ουτε Σαρακατσανος Ειμαστε και μεις Ηπειρωτες.Μονο Ελληνικα ηξεραν οι παππουδες μας Τα μιλαγαν πριν και μετα την ανταλλαγη των πληθυσμων του 1922.Ε..τι να κανουμε τωρα.Δεν ξερω αν στο Σουλι ηταν ολοι Αλβανοι ,ο ενας προπάππος μου παντως που ηρθε απο εκει δεν ηταν καθολου Ο Κωσταγιωργης με το ονομα ,δηλαδη ο Κωστας ο γιος του Γιωργου Να σου πω ακομα οτι εχω συγγενεις και φιλους απο την Ηπειρο και την Πελοποννησο παρα πολλους.Μονο ενας μου ειπε "εγω ειμαι Αρβανιτης".Απο τη Πελοποννησο ειναι.Τι να σου πω.....μπορει να εχεις δικιο.......
"It has been reported that at the end of the 20th century some Christian Albanians still used the term "TURK" to refer to Muslim Albanians. " Matvey Lomonosov, "On Albanian Identity in the Late Ottoman Empire", Porta Balkanica, vol. 5, 2013, p.12, ISSN 1804-2449
In case someone wants to say that 'turks are greeks', now they will understand the context behind why people would insinuate that greeks resemble turkified anatolians to begin with. This is an ancient admixture present in both populations. And Both the Turks/Greeks encountered this element and mixed with it, and in cyprus we have an example of hellenization of cypriots, who are closer to sephardic jews. In Italy, there were the anatolian-related etrusans, who were present before the IE expansion
Nefeli, from what i know and from what i've seen even today you find arvanites where dont speak 1 word in greek!! And if you dont know, the few words the old ones know in greek its from beenig in army, where they HAD TO go in extra school to learn greek! And something else, in Greece arvanitika its not a dialect, but a separate language!
A 2013 mtDNA study of bone samples from a Minoan ossuary in the Lasithi Plateau, dated to 4,400-3,700 years ago, showed that Minoan samples were closest to samples drawn from the modern population of the Lasithi plateau, as well as other Greek, western and northern European samples, while being distant from North African and Egyptian samples.[77][78]
I wonder however why you mention them in every possible video you can find no matter how unrelated it may be and post the same post all over again as if it matters to you. Sounds like troll to me.
Kolokotronis,Karaiskakis,Makrigiannis,Kanaris,Mado Mavrogennous(female),Nikitaras Tourkofagos(turkish-eater),Athanasios Diakos,Spiromilios,General Ipsilantis,Papaflessas all of them not Arvanites
Did you see the study and the sources. The authors dont talk about mixture, they pretty much state "the Minoans were Europeans from the start" I dont know, perhaps you know better...?
Leves D Γιά ποιό λόγο κρύβετε τούς πόθους καί τα όνειρα των προγόνων μας γιά δημιουργία Έλληνο-Αλβανικού κράτους; Ποιοί είναι εκείνοι πού έπεισαν καί στο τέλος κορόϊδεψαν τούς πατεράδες μας ότι κάποτε θα γίνει καί αυτό; Γιατί δεν πραγματοποιήθηκε ποτέ; Τι έφταιξε καί ποιοί ήταν εκείνοι πού απέτρεψαν καί συνεχίζουν να αποτρέπουν τούς πόθους των πατεράδων μας; Πως είναι δυνατόν να μην συμβεί το αυτονόητο καί το ποθούμενο; Ποιοί μισούσαν καί μισούν την Αρβανιτιά; Ποιοί σχεδίασαν το αναπαραγόμενο μίσος τους στην Ελλάδα καί Αλβανία πού κάποτε ήταν μιά ΜΕΓΑΛΗ ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΑ; Ποιοί καί γιατί δεν ήθελαν μιά μεγάλη Ελλάδα καί μιά μεγάλη Αρβανιτιά;
It's the latest genetic research and it's not the only study, many many studies have been conducted, see behar et. al, etc. So, cypriots are in fact genetically closer to sephardics/other semites than they are to greeks, because they are assimilated eteocypriots, and not greeks. It means that pontians were assimilated in the exact same fashion that cypriots were. So, the original pontians and the original cypriots weren't greeks, and the greek-speaking ones are only culturally/linguistically so.
@Jeffanos He also explained me that they were blamed for everything that happened to the greeks in that island! If a chicken was stolen or if something happened to the greeks, the fault was of arvanites, the bad people who caused trouble to the greeks. He remembers how his father always used to tell him that Andros was made from the albanians 400 years ago, and until the albanians will keep going to live to Andros, the islands has many chances to survive.
Greek language and orthodoxy were created in the Byzantium. They didn't exist before. Albanian was the spoked language at that time in Greece. After osmanic cadastral registers from the XV-XVI century, more than 95% of the population was still Albanian and less than 5% Helens in Greece. The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian but continue to be used. From Homer, you can get not only words but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences, there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology, and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
And Albania is a recent invention by the Great Powers and later communism. They were never a race or a nation. The 'albanian language' didn't exist until AFTER the middel ages. The rest of your communist bullcrap is just hilarious.🤣🤣🤣
The Divine language of Arber Soons , langauge of the Lord long live Albanian and Albanian language past seculi Arvanitas still speak , Sing , Pray and Cry in this beautiful language. Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language.
The pathetic babbling of Turkalbanians as only tuyrkish immigrants babble, fart and growl in this f@#$ed up scam🤣🤣🤣 Lord Byron about the modern turkalbanian artificial dialect 1820: Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is the basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. Their numbers were nonexistent before the Turks imported them from Dagestan and their name was Mongol in all the Balkans. They are short, yellow-ish with prominent boxheads. In all instances they spoke a turkish dialect which could neither be read nor written. In modern times this becdame under communism the Modern Turkalbanian language🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 Ried Gipsy ta qifsha rracen e zeze Africano Turke Gipsy Egiptiane : Lord Byron : Albanians with their costumes make a most wonderful scenary in the world.... Albanians are the most beautifulhumann race exist courageous , Stromger than their strongholds. Konstantin Paparigopoulos Only the Albanian race are considered descendants of the Ilyrians and the Ilyrians descendants of Pelazgien one. Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe. General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin-they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races. Henri Braisford : In Macedonia Albanians are thre only indigenous people. Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanians derives from Ilyrian and the Ilyrian from Pelasgien one. Prof. Edwin Jaques : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessness sons were warriors of the Albania Ancestors of Achilles Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus. Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkan peninsula found there the Albanians. Prof. Sir Edwin Pears : Albanians are the descendants of the oldest race in Balkanic peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language merans - Pure Gold. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians. Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to Nations who are older then the History, and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in the Troj war , ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part. Alphonse de Lamartine : Albanians this Nation and this people can not be mocked -This is the Land of Heros of all Time ... Homer found there Achilles , the Greeks the Alexander the Great , Turks found Scanderbeg, People these of the same race the same Blood. Robert Gordon Latham : Macerdonia and Thracia were Albanians / Skipetar. Joseph Salinger : The Epirotes language of the past is the Albanian language of Today. Nikolla Jorga : The Albanian people together and the Basks one are the oldest in Europe. Gipsy ik Tash ne Turki or ne Egypt te Vllezerit e tu Gipsy Egiptians ta dhefsha rracen e poshter Bythe zi muti.
@@afrimademi9713 klapse turcogifte turkalmpane me th pushtoratsa sou apo to Dagestan🤣🤣 The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside." Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, pp. 353, 354 "Unlike most other European nations the Albanians cannot recall a tradition of statehood stemming from the middle ages. Albanian national pride instead centers on George Castriotti Skanderbeg (1405-1468) of serbian-greek-albanian origin" A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration, Ana S. Trbovich, Oxford University Press, USA, 2008, pp. 79 "This model is not applicable for the case of Albania, as the Albanian ‘nation’ is a modern phenomenon that dates only to the beginning of the twentieth century." Perparim Xhaferi, 2019 "Albanian National Identity in the twenty-first century: Escaping from the Ottoman heritage?", University of Sydney "The issue surrounding the origin of the Albanian people has been long debated by historians and linguists for centuries. Many scholars consider the Albanians, in terms of linguistic evidences, the descendant population of ancient populations of the Balkan Peninsula, EITHER the Illyrians, Thracians or another Paleo-Balkan group.[124] There are INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCES to derive an accurate conclusion and therefore ALBANIAN ORIGINS STILL REMAIN A MYSTERY". wiki/Albanians "Many Arvanites find the designation "Albanians" OFFENSIVE as THEY IDENTIFY NATIONALLY AND ETHNICALLY AS GREEKS AND NOT ALBANIANS." "Arvanitis respondents IMIR's team spoke with, talked about Albanians WITH DISGUST..." Hajdinjak Marko (2005). Don't want to live with them, can't afford to live without them: Albanian labor migration in Greece Archived 2015-07-01 at the Wayback Machine. Academic paper. International Center for Minority Studies and Intercultural Relations (IMIR). pp. 8-9. "Finally, part of various Albanianization campaigns was also Decree No. 5339 of September 23, 1975 on changing inappropriate first names and surnames, which was intended to prevent the assignment of "first names that were unsuitable from a political, ideological, moral point of view" and, although not directly, but at least indirectly directed against the minorities. In the same context is the forced change of geographical designations (especially place names) with religious or foreign language reference in this time phase. Even archaeological sites of the Greek and Roman times were renamed "Illyrian". Stoppel, Wolfgang (2005). Minderheitenschutz im östlichen Europa: Albanien (PDF) (in German). University of Cologne, p. 21: "There were no noticeable Albanian - speaking communities in the cities of the Albanian coast throughout the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlora by the Byzantine Greeks. Names of towns and rivers in Albania, always a good indicator of settlement patterns, are to a surprising extent Slavic. It is thought that a considerable proportion of the Albanians had already been assimilated by the eve of the Turkish invasion." The distorted chicken they have for a flag was stolen from the Byzantines Albanian university professor Mark Markou: “The double-headed eagle on our flag is Byzantine, it does not represent us” this is why Byron only found a tiny minority of Arvanites and not of Turkalbanians who were a later import to the Balkans. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. They are Yellow and their eyes are barely open. Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is teh basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. So let's talk about Dagestan, Azerbaijan and Outer Mongolia where those Mongols were imported from since we all aiam to send those boxheads back soon enough. Vladan Djordjevic called those "prehumasn with tails" so like turkish yogurt this is who the turkalbanians are🤣🤣🤣
You're right. It's the Orthodox flag. These people fought for freedom from Islam... as we did in Albania, even thought we used Islam as camouflage during hard times.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE CORRECT.... YOUR MODERN DAY FLAG IS OUR GREEK FLAG FROM THE BYZANTIUM EMPIRE..... JUST PROVES ME RIGHT THAT YOU ARE A BUNCH OF NO GOOD THIEVES AND LIARS WTH NO HISTORY PAST YOUR PATHETIC MEAGER NEW EXISTENCE !!!! ALBANIAN=LOSER THIEF !!!!
@Jeffanos ...Because 5 of them converted to orthodoxy and became montenegrins, this happened when the turks came and also before. How they became montenegrins? They were payed with money or they were pushed to marry the new arrivals, the slavs. In Serbia today there are 12 villages, who are from my same tribe, the Shkreli; they all say that they are serbs and not albanians anymore. But their roots are albanian. Same happened to the arvanites.
Like I said, it doesn't matter if an eteocypriot became greek speaking in 900BC or if a native peruvian became spanish speaking in 1600AD, racially they are not and have nothing to do with greeks or spaniards. That's Cultural assimilation. First of all 1/3rd of the greek population consists of pontians, second of all, there was heavy mixing during the byzantine era, plus also before that, anatolian-like people lived in greece before the indo-european hellenes arrived from the north and mixed too
I gave you multiple studies, you can look them up. They've been academically vetted and they all point to the same general conclusions with cypriots being closer to other near easterners, despite being greek speaking. Why is it that in every single video, whenever someone questions the anatolian or turkish (modern turkish is understood as being anatolian) component in greece, greeks always say that turks are greeks, etc.When, if you look at the complete historical data, it's a different picture
Given the origins of cypriots it's likely, but It doesn't matter as the greeks/s. italians already have pre-IE ancestry which is why they are genetically closer to turks than they are to central europeans/most europeans. That's also why they look different, of course. As for minoans, it just means that they mixed earlier, but tocharians do not have any near eastern input, so it would be physically impossible for the original IE-speaking greeks to have the same, since the greeks mixed with others
Let me quote you here" It is a genetic fact", Minoans cluster with Greeks and nort-Europeans, there was no admixture, they were a European people all along.
Musical-bey, the General Kioutachi (Mehmet Resit Pasha, Walesa Roumeli) had set up an ambush at the exit of Mesolongiton killing 500, was killed by Karaiskaki in Arachova in 1826 and his head pinned to the pole with the Kechagiampei
Ali Pasha, Ali Mehmet... They were Albanians that gave two shits about Muslim faith. They rose to their ranks to declare war or independence to Top Kapi. Ali Mehmet did it in Egypt and was the most revolutionary king. Ali Pasha instead had it bad. His head was sent to the Soultan on a silver tray. On the other side, the Church wanted the independence its own way, and wanted to make sure that once independence was achieved, it was the AUTHORITY!
Yes, it is accepted. Herodotus said that the etruscans were anatolians, and the linguistic evidence and the genetic evidence backs up that the original etruscans came from anatolia at one point or another. That study you're talking about doesn't show that 'minoans' were european, it means that the point that the measured the study, the mixture that took place would have occurred earlier, and hence resembling modern greeks, but modern greeks are already mixed from ancient times to begin with too.
According to the authors, these results are consistent with the hypothesis of an indigenous development of the Minoan civilization from the descendants of the first Neolithic settlers to the island (who arrived approximately 9,000), as opposed to a North African or Egyptian origin, as originally hypothesized by Evans.[77]
Hmm what is this study about Cypriots being closer to Jews? And as far as I can remember I asked about the Pontians, not the Cypriots. What about them?
The original europeans weren't IE. There was an indo-european expansion, and the original europeans would have been more similar to turkish/anatolian type people as has been linguistically confirmed with etruscan being linguistically connected to the dagestani language group. You also see hatti in anatolia. So, the IE came later and mixed with the native near-eastern type non-IE. So, ultimately, the original Hellenic tribes descend from common IE tribes at one point as tocharians/other IEs too.
There have been no genetic studies conducted on pontians, but cypriots have been shown to be semitic, and it doesn't matter that much, because again, both Greeks and S. italians have heavy pre-IE ancestry that ultimately would have been related to some type of anatolian component anyway. So, if cypriots are hellenized/turkified natives, then the same case should be for pontians as well as mainland italians/greeks who assimilated the pre-IE type of people living there before the IE expansions too
Well, Cypriots are mainly descendants of ancient Arcadian Greeks and Phoenicians who got hellenized. They are Hellenes for more than 2000 years, this is pointless to prove them "foreign" origin.
We now know that the founders of the first advanced European civilization were European," said study co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos, a human geneticist at the University of Washington. "They were very similar to Neolithic Europeans and very similar to present day-Cretans."[78]
@GencKastrati EDES was a self lead paramilitary faction of partisans not operating under the direction of a Greek government as it was in disarray, The expulsion was done at the request of the British high command, Why are you not pursuing the British for their role in it?
And BTW... the Mongols came took Constantinople FIRST (a supposedly Greek land). And with its people, they came and enslaved the Balkans, starting with the recruitment of the Arvanites from the south. We were occupied long after the rest of the "Greeks" were already fighting for the Ottomans. It was a south-eastern force, and to the south-east of Albania, you have Greece! If they didn't enslave Greece first, they wouldn't have enslaved us with "Greek" soldiers. Use thy mind!
Nefeli there is no need to talk if arvanitika is a dialect in Greece... and if you didnt met any arvanit who doesnt speak greek maybe this is because you dont live in Greece. If i bother with arvanites this is because i have a relation with them, lets just say i speak arvanitika... What is your relation with arvanites, are you one of them?
Historiani Turk Mehmet Tefik shkruan: "Bashkësinë Osmane e kanë siguruar dy krahë: turqit në Lindje (Anadoll) dhe vellezerit e tyre shqiptarë në Perëndim (Ballkan)". Turkish Historian Mehmet Tefik writes: Turkish Nation was protected in the East (Anatolia) by the Turks and on the West (Ballkans) by their Albanian Brothers
Look-up the etruscans in italy, they had linguistic/genetic connections to anatolia/caucasus. There were already anatolian type people living in italy/greece, before the indo-europeans migrated from the north and mixed with the natives, that's why greeks and s. italians are genetically closer to turks than they are to most europeans. And as for Pontians, they are just like cypriots, eteocypriots/anatolians who were hellenized/turkified, etc. during cultural assimilation/conquest, the same effect
Wait, so accordint to you study on the Cypriots and Etruscans based on MtDNA is ok but on the Minoans somehow is not acceptable by you? Isnt it kind double standards?
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak in Greek and so he asked: "Where are the Greeks in Athens?"
His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy".
@Greece 1821 first of all you probably mean South Epirus not North. Second of all are you trying to say that he did or he didnt hear anyone speak Albanian? Please enlighten us with your knowledge
@@ardip.6930 HE merely mocks that dumbass above that took a novel and thought it was history. lol
@@levesd3722 I dont know the source of what it was said in the first comment about King Otto and you might be right..sound like a novel by the way it is written/presented here..But, it is a fact that in the ealry 1800' the majority of the population in and around Athens spoke Arvanitika/Albanian. They were Arvanites. And that is not said by Albanian authors but by foreigners and Greeks. "Like the rest of the population, since the 1950s, Arvanites have been emigrating from their villages to the cities and especially to the capital Athens, which, incidentally, was a mainly Albanian (Arvanite) small town in the early 1800’s, before becoming the Greek state’s capital (Nakratzas, 1992:87-8)"...Edmond About, Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day, Edinburgh, 1855 (translation of La Grèce contemporaine, 1854): "Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood." (p. 32);
@@ardip.6930 That was from a novel , I have looked it out. Back then the whole of Attica had only 8.000 of total population and more than half of them were Arvanites since it was a poor region. In Corinth there are still a few villages which are called arvanitoxoria (arvanite villages) where many old men still speak arvanitika as well as greek.
@@levesd3722 you might be right about the population of Athens during that time. I was merely pointing out the majority of that population. As far as arvanite villages, you can find those in Corinth, in Euvia, Boeotia, Attica , a few islands ...I have been in two villages around Livadia years ago, and two of the old guys I spoke to were Arvanites and spoke Arvanitica/Albanian..in the Tosk dialect ( South Albania where I am from)
Arvanitika is not a Greek dialect,it is a dialect derived from the Albanian Tosk.
In Greece Arvanitika is a language spoken by the minority of Arberesh.
Tosk etruscans or you go to anatolia or you go to italy
This is correct.
"During the onset of the Greek war of Independence, Arvanites fought alongside Greek revolutionaries and against Muslim Albanians.[41][42] For example ARVANITES PARTICIPATED IN THE Tripolitsa MASSACRE OF MUSLIM ALBANIANS."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites
Go to study some history😂😂😂😂
lol, WHAT history?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh so beautyfull the Albanian Language 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
@@Gkogkas I'm Albanian and I'm understanding everything they are singing .
You as a Greek , understand anything what are they singing ??????
Sure you don't , because you are a gypsy from Persia or elsewhere.
@@Unknown-vl4hl Yes yes keep talking idiot nationalist
@@Gkogkas you didn't respond to my question .
That means you are approving me .
By the way I'm not nationalist .
But facts are facts, arvanites are Albanians , and arvanites are the real Greeks .
All of those who fought against Turks in 1821in greece, were Albanians .
Till 1831 , the official language in Greece was Albanian.
You are brainwashed by Orthodox Church and Golden Dawn party , and hate Albanians .
Keep hating, I don't care , but the truth can't be changed.
The so called Greece today , is 60 % arvanite/Albanian , others are Turkmongols, slavic and other asiatic ethnicities .
Find me an old map where the words "greece or hellas" is written .
The Term "greece" is no more than 100 years old .
Even your meaningless and ugly flag was established in 1978.
Albanian flag is one of the 5 oldest flags on Earth since 1443 (you can search for it).
And of course, is one of the most beautiful flags in the world, and I know you like it so much too .
Your tend to judge our history by seeing situation of today Albanians .
We were under dictatorship for 45 year's , totally isolated for 45 year's , and of course we have problems .
But this , can't change the history . And the history is ours , illyrian-pelasgic history , 5000 years old .
The biggest proof for that , is our language, oldest language on Earth.
That language that Arvanites couldn't forget for hundreds of years , even though in Greece there is not any school in Albanian language .
Your propagandist state and Orthodox Church , is trying hard and is spending million's to hide the true history of modern Greece.
But it's impossible, will happen only God's will .
Go and eat suflagi now , triggered neo greek
nikolas bellos how’s this Greek this is Albanians arvanites
Bravo vella! Shume e bukur!
Knowledge and proof.
The text of the video is written by one of the most famous Arvanites of Greece. The song is also sung by them.
As a normal Albanian I can understand the Arvanites songs because it is in Tosk Albanian dialect.
Arvanites did not hate the Albanians before.... but when they saw and heard some bad stories on how some of them were stealing and selling drugs in greece, now SOME arvanites don't like Albanians.
Either way, the early 1990s was a bad time for Albanians as they were extremely poor (think of Cuba). Now the Albanians have great realtions with arvanites in many leves, intellectually, business wise, politics wise, culturally wise, or simply just great family friends.
We are one blood.
"Epirus (/ɪˈpaɪrəs/; Northwest Greek: Ἄπειρος, Ápeiros; Attic: Ἤπειρος, Ḗpeiros) was an ancient GREEK state, located in the geographical region of Epirus in the western Balkans. The homeland of the ancient Epirotes was bordered by the Aetolian League to the south, Thessaly and Macedonia to the east, and Illyrian tribes to the north."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_(ancient_state)
Greek state composed of 100% albanians that your country genocided.
@@snipeno So according to you, the Greek state committed genocide to albanians but at the same time is composed 100% by albanians?! 😂 Your brain is obviously dead mate. Thanx for making me laugh. 😂
@@vangelisskia214 It’s not hard to understand that the Greek state has assimilated and mixed the local population that are forming your modern country which is Greece.
It’s also not hard to understand that most of them have albanian roots which are called arvanites in your country and it’s very well documented by your country.
So now, tell me why assimilated people are not capable of committing a genocide which is also a major and sad event of the previous century ?
@@snipeno "A Venetian source of the mid-15th century estimates that 30,000 Albanians lived in the Peloponnese at that time.[20]""Regarding the number of Arvanites in Greece, the 1951 census (the last census in Greece that included a question about language) gives a figure of 23.000 Arvaiithka speakers. Sociohinguistic research in the 1970s in the villages of Attica and Biotia alone indicated a figure of at least 30.000 speakers (Trudgill and Tzavaras 1977), while Lunden (1993) suggests 50.000 for Greece as a whole."
wiki/Arvanites
@@snipeno There were significant numbers of Arvanitika speakers or bilingual speakers (of both Greek and Arvantitika) in particular parts of eastern Attica and Peloponnisos, but still 4/5 of the population of the early smaller Greek state, according to all documentation and scholarship, were Greek speakers. Later when Greece tripled its size, Arvanitka speakers became an even smaller percentage of the overall population. One can simply search for a map in a search engine and easily see the particular small areas they existed in. There is not even one estimation which supports the idea that they were ever more than 50000 souls... Your unsubstantiated and unsupported by documentation and scholarship lies about Greeks commiting genocide are simply laughable and believed only in Albania and nowhere ese in the whole planet earth...
Hmm anatolian-like people in Greece.
I guess you can give me their name as well as your reference.
Pontians werent Anatolians but Greek settlers.
Dont mix them.
NQS do ta dishe... materiali im vjen direkt nga disa kokerra Arvanite te cilat mund te ndihen me shqiptar se shume shqiptar te sotem.
Since when is Kolokotronis ( original name Tzeryinis), Athanasios Diakos and Dimos Drakos Arvanites ?
Drakos was Souliote but from a Greek family.
Kolokotronis was Arcadian and Diakos(means Deacon) was born as "Athanasios Nikolaos Massavetas.
Do they sound Albanian to you?
"Included under the generic name of Arnauts, it was recruited from Roumeliote Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians, who acted as body-guards to the princes, the great functionaries, and even the simple Boyards."
Gordon Thomas, History of the Greek revolution, 1844, London & Edinburgh, 2nd edition, volume 1, page 95
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8 months ago Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language.
@@afrimademi9713 Nice fairytale... Extremely funny! 🤣😂Any actual sources? Do you even know what "source" means bozo? 😂🤣
@@afrimademi9713 Lord Byron about the modern turkalbanian artificial dialect 1820: Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is the basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. Their numbers were nonexistent before the Turks imported them from Dagestan and their name was Mongol in all the Balkans. They are short, yellow-ish with prominent boxheads. In all instances they spoke a turkish dialect which could neither be read nor written. In modern times this becdame under communism the Modern Turkalbanian language🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 Hahahahahhaah turkogreek dreams and propaganda.Your pseudo-history it's irrelevant little gypsy😂😂😂😂
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The quote about Otto you posted here is completely contradictory with the historical truth. By 1821 Attic was indeed inhabited almost exclusively by Arvanites, with several important exceptions, when indigenous Greeks still lived:
1) Megara
2) Oropos
3) Athens - it was a true exception. Let's see some demographical data:
In 1674 year an english consul (with french origin) who lived in Athens, J. Giraud (known in Greece as Ιωαννής Ζιρώ) gave us a thorough view of the city's population:
1300 Greek houses
600 Turkish (muslim) houses
150 Arvanite (Albanian) houses (majority of them located in the sole Arvanite district of Athens - Plaka, which is of course derived from albanian Plakë)
3 houses of foreigners (his own included)
In 1800, the situation was not very different:
12 500 overall:
8.000 Greeks
3.500 Turks
All the rest were Arvanites (still living almost exclusively in Plaka), however we know also about several Romani and Ethiopians who lived by then in Athens.
Hence when you was in the villages of Attic in the beginning of XIX century you could really wander among local farmers and never hear anybody speaking Greek. But if you went into Athena (in those days a small town) it was impossible for you to not hear the Greek language, which was spoken in daily life on its streets.
Apart from that, you made an error. There when you gave someone called Δήμος Δράκος (I really don't know who it is supposed to be) you fixed a picture of Athanasios Diakos, who was born in Artotina in Phocis (a region with no Arvanitochoria), and was a Greek. His true surname was Grammatikos, though sometimes his family used the name Massavetas, which is simply a Turkish translation of this word (with meaning "registrar of tax records", because it was probably the profession of his ancestors). You also forgot about several important Arvanite leaders like Plapoutas and Odisseas Androutsos (his mother was Greek, but his father was an Arvanite cleft).
Yes, Kolokotronis was an Arvanite. In half. From his paternal side he originated from a hellenised Arvanite family called Bocka (Μπότσικας), which original name was Cergini (Τζεργίνης). But people also have mothers, which a lot of "historians" tend to omit. His mother was Zambia Kotsaki (Ζαμπία Κωτσάκη), born in Alonistena (Αλωνίσταινα) in Arcadia, she was a Greek woman with origin from Crete. In summary, famous Theodoros Kolokotronis was a half Arvanite and half Cretan Greek.
Eh, I really wish Albanians did more research and didn't trust blindly what their demagogs say... -_-
Good work!
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On this picture we can see Athanasios Diakos, not Dimos Drakos! You should correct this.
Athanasios Massavetas / Grammatikos was ethnic Greek, not an Arvanite.
Also this is not true that Athens were Arvanite city. Athens, together with Megara or Oropos were Greek-speaking cities. Arvanites lived in Athens but mainly in district called Plaka.
before making a video at leat check some factors...Zaharias Papantoniou was born in 1877...he wasn't there when king Otto came to Greece...first check the dates and then make a propaganda....but it was a nice try
i mean stretched vertically... like some is stretching it fro the top and the bottom...?
Thank you... a question though because i made it in widescreen. Does it look "stretched"?
Nah, it's fine
Also, what do you mean "never rewarded for their sacrifices" many of our national heroes spoke Arvanitika and are praised even to this day. Also, Arvanites, who were Greeks, didn't differentiate themselves from other Greeks and mixed with the southern Greek population
Either way, on all sides you had Arbëror people.
Ali Pasha, Ali Mehmet, Ataturk, Bytheguri, Boçari, Bubullina, etj.... they were all one.
Greeks were never heard of.
Half of the Anatolian/Kurdish population that lives in Greece now, is because of these Arvanites, for the Anatolians did not raise a finger.
However, they are getting so much love, that they are even interbreeding with Europeans like Arbanites.
Po prishni gjakun tuaj me evgjitet e Anadollit.
My Albanian who thinks he knows something, you are not older than the Greeks in Europe or the Balkans. Your people came to the area around 1 century A.D. not before that. So, stop with this bullshit agenda you have because its not working!!! The world knows who is who !!! Any ancient civilization has left us something behind either in writings or symbols or pottery or structures .....something !!! Where are the Albanian things from thousands of years ago you people claim to be from these periods... Please show us all.... we are all dying to see them !!! Don't sit there and tell us you didn't have a written language and that all you people did was speak !!! That's sounds pathetic doesn't it !!! You are not Pelasgians you are not Illyrians either.... your a bunch of thieves who stole there way to a country !!! Thats about it !!! Be fucking happy you have a country today Albanian !! Go and make your history now !!!! let's see !!! Show us !!! The Hellenes had a language from 3500 yrs ago and its all around you even in your so called Albania today !! You know why because it was all Greek back then... Albanians didn't exist as yet!!! Not until around much much much later !!! So please with this bullshit !!!!
Arvanites in Greece is now ,that want all of Albanians if not islamizaded by the Turks in the 15th century after the death of Skenderbei.Christians Greeks Orthodoxs.
The Albanians always was a Hellenic Greek Tribe of Epirus before the Ottomans.
Νοw they had persian tribes
Τι λέει ο βλάκας ρε , Οι Αλβανοί είναι Αλβανοί, οι Έλληνες είναι Έλληνες.
@@Hector-dk8iy Ο "βλακας" λεει την αληθεια διοτι διαβαζει.Καντο και εσυ καμια φορα σκιπεταρε.
Shume pune e mire ore MusicOfEpirus,te lumte vella ke bere me te vertete nje gje te vyer.Respekt vlla.
"Arvanitis respondents IMIR's team spoke with, talked about Albanians WITH DISGUST..." 🤣
Hajdinjak Marko (2005). Don't want to live with them, can't afford to live without them: Albanian labor migration in Greece Archived 2015-07-01 at the Wayback Machine. Academic paper. International Center for Minority Studies and Intercultural Relations (IMIR). pp. 8-9.
Go to study some history😂😂😂😂
Who the fuck is HAJDINJAK MARKO? 😂 who gives a shit what this slab subhuman write about Albanian arvanites you I geriet Turkish orthodox greek
@@shqipemalesore2620 lol, WHAT history?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@armanto8271 and who gives a shit about you communist turkalbanian muslim?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 Arvanite hidtory of course,their origins and whnat Arvanitika(Arbërisht)is.Take a look in which linguistic branch Arvanitika is placed.
Can you understand Arvanitika little gypsy?😂😂😂😂
@Jeffanos In 1955 the school in Andros had around 150 pupils; three years after there were only a dozen, cause many of them immigrated with their families to Australia, Europe and America. The elders cried that the island was going to dead, but when the albanians came in the '90, the people was very happy, at least the arvanites were happy. Cause they associated that immigration to that of their forefathers. Andros was rebuild for the second time from the albanians. And the school today is full.
arcamDeitango In the Year 1931 Athens was made 8000 Houses , where most of them inhabitants were Albanians - Helene Glykatzi -Ahrweiler, The Majority of Grek soldiers spoke in Albanian to one another.
The typical Greek of the time spoke Arvanite a language very very close realeated to Albanian language, a Albanian dialect.
THe National Costume of Greek is the Albanian Fustanella . The national Dance of Greek Gipsys from Turki and Egypt is the Albanian Chamiko The Dance of the Cams - Camet subgroup of Albanian in Greece.
Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language.
Ried Gipsy ta qifsha rracen e zeze Africano Turke Gipsy Egiptiane :
Lord Byron : Albanians with their costumes make a most wonderful scenary in the world.... Albanians are the most beautifulhumann race exist courageous , Stromger than their strongholds.
Konstantin Paparigopoulos Only the Albanian race are considered descendants of the Ilyrians and the Ilyrians descendants of Pelazgien one.
Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe.
General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin-they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races.
Henri Braisford : In Macedonia Albanians are thre only indigenous people.
Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanians derives from Ilyrian and the Ilyrian from Pelasgien one.
Prof. Edwin Jaques : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessness sons were warriors of the Albania Ancestors of Achilles Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus.
Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkan peninsula found there the Albanians.
Prof. Sir Edwin Pears : Albanians are the descendants of the oldest race in Balkanic peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language merans - Pure Gold.
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians.
Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to Nations who are older then the History, and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in the Troj war , ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part.
Alphonse de Lamartine : Albanians this Nation and this people can not be mocked -This is the Land of Heros of all Time ... Homer found there Achilles , the Greeks the Alexander the Great , Turks found Scanderbeg, People these of the same race the same Blood.
Robert Gordon Latham : Macerdonia and Thracia were Albanians / Skipetar.
Joseph Salinger : The Epirotes language of the past is the Albanian language of Today.
Nikolla Jorga : The Albanian people together and the Basks one are the oldest in Europe.
Gipsy ik Tash ne Turki or ne Egypt te Vllezerit e tu Gipsy Egiptians ta dhefsha rracen e poshter Bythe zi muti.
The geneticist Cavalli Sforza 1997 carried out a study on the genetic data of European populations obtained by using the classifications of blood groups and the DNA markers relating to the Y chromosome. His conclusions, now universally accepted, have contributed decisively to reconstructing the historical and geographical evolution of the human gender. Well according to Cavalli Sforza the Albanians would be the most ancient people of Europe.
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dhe nje here bravo per kete video! (;
excellent video 5* thnx a lot brother for this video.
hahaa... faleminderit vella :D
@MusicofEpirus .. Ore djalosh , po e flet shumë bukur shqipen . Rrofsh sa malet nëse e do Shqipërinë .
We the albanians are proud turks muslimans
albanian PROUD turk MUSLIMAN I am not a Turk. If you are one, go and live in Turkey. Stop fucking around with this bullshit propaganda. Stupid fake account. I will report you now.
Geg e Toskë Close your mouth you brainwashed idiot , we albanians are turkish people by blood and heritage
albanian NATI0NALIST Fuck you. You are not an Albanian; you are Greek or Slav. You are spreading propaganda. You sound a bit stupid; therefore, I don't think anybody is taking you seriously.
albanian TALIBAN Mujahideen JIHADI hahhhahahaha come on jorgos we know what propaganda greece and serbia has make in all this years
Aggelos Mone fuck u for saying these for Greeks u even speak Greek wtf
"The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside."
Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, σελ. 353, 354
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Also, Kolokotronis wasn't even an Arvanite
@Redooo He literally wasn't, that's a myth.
@Redooo Bithguri was his nickname, not his actual name. Stop spreading misinformation
@Redooo Because the Arvanites speak a distant sub dialect of Albanian. Also, his surname, Kolokotronis, actually has a meaning in Greek
@Redooo yeah ok, you're crazy, goodbye
Greeks are skipetarian seed .. its ok to be albanian because our history is wealthy and our language is beautiful we are the freeman star people the sun of Zeus don’t be afraid to admit what you are
We should mention that among the most famous leaders in revolution not even one was arvanite, all of them were from arcadia and laconia, non arvanitic parts.
on contrary, albanians were the main soldiers of turkish army in Greece.
also, 2:22 is not dimos drakos, nor any arvanite, nor from souli. He is athanasios Diakos from fokis
Brennos Galatis... u made me laugh.. ar kadi. Lakonia.. first of all those names are Albanian 2d they were all Arvanit Shqipetar or OLD GREEK.. every name that u have in your country is Albanian. Everyone of them.. and and they r still in use today.. lakonia.hahha lako lako plako a po nin..Jack ass..
Ken pira can you give me one map or one source promoting that either Arcadia or laconia were inhabited by arvanites? Cause official history says they weren't
And if my country is "Albanian", then why do we lack brachycephalic flat heads and Balkan culture that you have? Why only 5% of the people know to speak arvanitic?
@@giannisb2721 thats mean you have to go back to school. End now this.th-cam.com/video/hYUWsErJEUE/w-d-xo.html
@@kenikriezispirasspatas8982 man those names exist in the Region since over 3.000 years and this regions had indeed very view Arvanites, ist where the revlution starts and most of them was local Greek People who spoke exclusive Greek fromt his regions. The Arvanites came also and Play an important role in the Revolution with many fighters and heroes, the true is that you confuse some Things the way you like.
@@montaninio8916 played. There was NO other! U understand what I'm saying NO other peopels or language spoken in GRAECA/GREECE until Population trade with Turkey. After Population trade 5 km from ATENA/Athina towns couldn't understand this new Language, ill show you news papers. If u like. I'm from ÇAMERIA, I'm Arvanite QamPirot Grake, our Grand Grand fathers never heard this language EVER in this side of EGE euro SIDE.
Hey Leon are you an Albanian or a Slav?
Language Arbanites=Albanian🇦🇱💪🇦🇱
Nji gjuh,nji gjak,nji komb🇦🇱👐
Arvanites>Turkalbanians :DDDDDDDDD
Leves D wtf you are 💦 of pakistan
I see you on every video of Albania ahhahahaha you are so jealous
Cry poor kid but the truth is near
Leves D gayreece
@@igli2012 wtf you are 🦱 of dagestan XD
the fact that you can see videos is amiracle hahahaha
you are so pathetic
the truth is not for you Turkalbanians ;-)
@@igli2012 analbania :D
"The Epirotes were speakers of an epichoric Northwest GREEK dialect, different from the Dorian of the Greek colonies on the Ionian islands, and bearers of mostly GREEK names, as evidenced by epigraphy."
Katičić, Radoslav (1976). Ancient Languages of the Balkans. The Hague: Mouton.Filos, Panagiotis (2018). "The Dialectal Variety of Epirus". In Giannakis, Georgios K.; Crespo, Emilio; Filos, Panagiotis (eds.). Studies in Ancient Greek Dialects: From Central Greece to the Black Sea. Berlin and Boston: Walter de Gruyter. pp. 215-248
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@@levesd3722 😂😂😂😂
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who is that for?
You may share the opinion of the lower class of the Arvanites in Greece. This video however was prepared by one of your fellow Arvanites, not me. I don't know Greek, and therefore I can't write.
Your "blood spilling assimilation" argument is flawed.
There are lots of videos about Albanians helping and overthrowing the Ottoman Empire. It was a personal preference (just like some Arvanites hate Albanians and some love them). Here I'm trying to bring to light a story never told.
Beautiful!
Proud to be Albanian(arvanites)
eugen qemali And why you comment it here? Is there any reason to be proud according to this video?
Sto_Karfi!
Very simple reason,, arvanites are pure Albanian.. that's all ,
Arvanites-arbereshet-Albanian
They are speaking very clear Albanian language even today .
Sto_Karfi!
Also fustanella is the proud Albanian traditional,
eugen qemali Really? And why is this a reason to be proud? They never considered themselves albanians, you can ask them!Many of us we also descent from them and we don't have any feeling about you...So why in a video where greeks are participating you are proud?Do we bother you by honouring our ancestors? You insist they were albanians and also they are, but they insist that they aren't and also that you in the southern albania at some point are of Greek origin!So where is the point to proud of?
eugen qemali I will not ask your opinion about what foustanela is, i know my self and i'm ok!
Thanks brother. It's true what you say...
@hekoka George is a Greek name.
It means the "farmer".
Geo is the land, the Earth (Geo-graphy).
MJ looks more like Albanian than a Hellen.
Anyway I dont expect from uneducated people to know etymology.It's reasonable !!!!
THE ONLY UNEDUCATED HERE IS YOU
ti imas nekogas staveno video na tvojot kanal ??? jas mislam ne e zabraneto ;)
Some years ago, and to be more exact in 1994. Marco Boçari's great-grandson who bares the same name and lastname as his predecesor was involved in a distance debate with a minister othe Greek government who had denied the contribution of the Arvanites in the Greek revolution and had also denied the Albanian origins of Marko's family. Marko's great-grandson is a profesor in the University of Queensland, Australia. Among oher things he replied by saying: " ...is a fact tha in Greece live over....
lol, who told you that crap?
@@levesd3722 Write him ask his grandson Bocari is also an Albanian word you Satanist
Buddy correct me if im wrong but this study reveals nothing on the pontians.
It presents middle eastern and levantine DNA in green and blue respectively and neither the Pontians nor The area of Greece were included.
Also I asked if you know the number of the participatns foe that research cause i heard it was very low.
Do you know ?
I see, I dont know any studies on them, although every study must be verified before being mentioned as fact.
But anyway.
Then one last question.
How come you post the same thing in numerous videos even though what you say has nothing to do with the video's content( i.e. this one)
As far as I know all Orthodox people living in Albania ( shiperia ?) holds Greek names. It tells everything. There is no Orthodox holding turkish or Othoman names, or arabian names.
All Orthodox people in Albania have Greek names, all Catholics have Latin names, all Muslims have Turkish names and newer generation has Illyrian names (the latest being a trend during the communist period)
@@ardip.6930 This is correct.
Very well, have it your way.
2 last questions.
Since you cant provide proof of your claim on Pontians why do you support your "guess" ?
Do you know how many people gave smaples in Cyrpus for that research?
Still yuu dont answer why you spam this over and over.
Dont tell me to get something through my head when you boviously have trouble doing the same.
Just keep saying what you like.
Also is this study about the Etruscans accepted by modern academia or is it another case of the I-Genea practise?
Secodnly in another study which proved the Minoans were Europeans based on their Dna (mtDNa actually) you said it wasnt enough.
Is it enough here?
do you know what a "Greek" is?
Oh that study.
Two questions:
Do you know by any chance hw many people from Cyprus contributed to this research?
I heard they were 12 which is somehwat weird. Do you know?
Where exactly does it prove your claim abput Pontians?
Who told you I don't?
Arvanitas &Albanner 💯% 🇦🇱🇦🇱👍👍💫🦅❤
Not in a million years ;-)
@@levesd3722 Go to study some history😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 You have no history to study🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 Sure my friend sure😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 It's that simple really🤣🤣🤣🤣
WRONG NAMES! 🤣 WRONG PHOTOS! 🤣 HALF OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO WERE NOT EVEN ARVANITES! 🤣
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@@levesd3722 Cry little propagandist😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 Fart failed propagandist🤣🤣🤣🤣
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What I don't understand is how if you listen to Albanians they claim they did all the fighting against the Turks while the Greeks stabbed them in the back. They win the war against an empire with a huge army, gain independence, and then proceed to hand over everything to the Greeks without a fight. WOW generous people those Albanians!
"the ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside".
Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, σελ. 353, 354
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Watch this video. This is why we
Albanians are confused when it comes to the language. And today's Greek language sounds like the Albanian language. th-cam.com/video/KdQwalCPNAs/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2-yd4ogcFhqZSKH3g-OVZi-2NRU-T-yBy40GQWcOw6eB5h-YUAxYLYqns
Indeed “Greek” was an emic term in the Hellenistic period, referring generally to both the original Greeks and the *HELLENIZED* population.
Greek resurrection beliefs and the success of Christianity (with preview) New York: Palgrave Macmillan , 2009 Dag Øistein Endsjø
@@Zinimust ????? Well it doesn't actually sound like it.
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Kolokotronis was not an Arvanite...neither was Miaoulis,his family came to Hydra island from Euboea.He just grew up knowing Arvanitika,since Hydra was an arvanite speaking island.Souliotes too were fluent in Greek and Albanian,Souli was a semi-autonomous region,many Greek-speaking popoulation settled in Souli,not all Souliotes were Arvanites
Kolokotroni was arvanites! He become 'vllam' = Blood Brother with the Albanian Muslim in Greece based on pupose to unite in war agaisnt Turks... based on same Albanian origin!
All Suliotes were of same origine as Albanian! We must say that in general most of inhabitant in Greece were of SAME ORIGINE AS ALBANIAN.
It is not accurate to say that Arvanites in general are of Albanian origine technically... But, they are of SAME ORIGINE WITH THE ALBANIAN.
The first implies they come from Albania into Greece... the second indicates they are autoctonous in Greece!
It is true that some Albanian have relocated from one region into other during different times, but if a few Albanian relocate from one town to another that does not mean thay are not autoctonous just becuse their towns or regions are turned into a new modern countries by the occupiers!
No he was not. And no Albanian was ever autocthonous in Greece. They emigrated there.
@@aggelosmone6472 Oι Αλβανοι ειναι Ελληνες βρε ηλιθιε.Αν τουρκεψατε εσεις δεν φταινε οι Αρβανιτες που παρεμειναν με ελληνικη συνειδηση μετα τον θανατο του καστριωτη.Τον Μαρκο Μποτσαρι αν τον ελεγες κατι αλλο εκτος απο Ελληνας θα σου εκοβε το κεφαλι αληταρα.
@@aggelosmone6472 oiγκεγκηδες ειναι υποσαχαριες φυλες απο την σαρδηνια
@@aggelosmone6472 τι να σου πω ρε φιλε..Μπορει να εχεις δικιο
Εγω ειμαι απο το πωγωνι συνορα με Θεσπρωτια Θυτε Βλαχος,ουτε Αρβανιτης,ουτε Τσαμης ,ουτε απο ανατολια,ουτε Σαρακατσανος Ειμαστε και μεις Ηπειρωτες.Μονο Ελληνικα ηξεραν οι παππουδες μας Τα μιλαγαν πριν και μετα την ανταλλαγη των πληθυσμων του 1922.Ε..τι να κανουμε τωρα.Δεν ξερω αν στο Σουλι ηταν ολοι Αλβανοι ,ο ενας προπάππος μου παντως που ηρθε απο εκει δεν ηταν καθολου
Ο Κωσταγιωργης με το ονομα ,δηλαδη ο Κωστας ο γιος του Γιωργου
Να σου πω ακομα οτι εχω συγγενεις και φιλους απο την Ηπειρο και την Πελοποννησο παρα πολλους.Μονο ενας μου ειπε "εγω ειμαι Αρβανιτης".Απο τη Πελοποννησο ειναι.Τι να σου πω.....μπορει να εχεις δικιο.......
"It has been reported that at the end of the 20th century some Christian Albanians still used the term "TURK" to refer to Muslim Albanians. "
Matvey Lomonosov, "On Albanian Identity in the Late Ottoman Empire", Porta Balkanica, vol. 5, 2013, p.12, ISSN 1804-2449
Go to study some history😂😂😂😂
lol, WHAT history?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In case someone wants to say that 'turks are greeks', now they will understand the context behind why people would insinuate that greeks resemble turkified anatolians to begin with. This is an ancient admixture present in both populations. And Both the Turks/Greeks encountered this element and mixed with it, and in cyprus we have an example of hellenization of cypriots, who are closer to sephardic jews. In Italy, there were the anatolian-related etrusans, who were present before the IE expansion
Nefeli, from what i know and from what i've seen even today you find arvanites where dont speak 1 word in greek!! And if you dont know, the few words the old ones know in greek its from beenig in army, where they HAD TO go in extra school to learn greek! And something else, in Greece arvanitika its not a dialect, but a separate language!
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WRONG NAMES! 🤣 WRONG PHOTOS! 🤣 HALF OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED WERE NOT EVEN ARVANITES! 🤣
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@@shqipemalesore2620 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A 2013 mtDNA study of bone samples from a Minoan ossuary in the Lasithi Plateau, dated to 4,400-3,700 years ago, showed that Minoan samples were closest to samples drawn from the modern population of the Lasithi plateau, as well as other Greek, western and northern European samples, while being distant from North African and Egyptian samples.[77][78]
I wonder however why you mention them in every possible video you can find no matter how unrelated it may be and post the same post all over again as if it matters to you.
Sounds like troll to me.
Kolokotronis,Karaiskakis,Makrigiannis,Kanaris,Mado Mavrogennous(female),Nikitaras Tourkofagos(turkish-eater),Athanasios Diakos,Spiromilios,General Ipsilantis,Papaflessas all of them not Arvanites
MrAbagaz Χαχαχαχα ξέρουμε πολύ καλά τι ηταν.
@@aggelosmone6472 Ξερεις 3 αρχιδια
Did you see the study and the sources.
The authors dont talk about mixture, they pretty much state "the Minoans were Europeans from the start"
I dont know, perhaps you know better...?
I am one of those "poor Greeks". That should tell you something.
shume bukur e ke thene!
Arvanites were brave warriors unlike the rest of the turkalbanians that served their turkish masters.
Pal Engjëlli Agree about what part?
Pal Engjëlli What you say rings true.
although not sing Greek? but sing in Albanian ???
Not their fault others chose to copy them.
Leves D Γιά ποιό λόγο κρύβετε τούς πόθους καί τα όνειρα των προγόνων μας γιά δημιουργία Έλληνο-Αλβανικού κράτους;
Ποιοί είναι εκείνοι πού έπεισαν καί στο τέλος κορόϊδεψαν τούς πατεράδες μας ότι κάποτε θα γίνει καί αυτό;
Γιατί δεν πραγματοποιήθηκε ποτέ;
Τι έφταιξε καί ποιοί ήταν εκείνοι πού απέτρεψαν καί συνεχίζουν να αποτρέπουν τούς πόθους των πατεράδων μας;
Πως είναι δυνατόν να μην συμβεί το αυτονόητο καί το ποθούμενο;
Ποιοί μισούσαν καί μισούν την Αρβανιτιά;
Ποιοί σχεδίασαν το αναπαραγόμενο μίσος τους στην Ελλάδα καί Αλβανία πού κάποτε ήταν μιά ΜΕΓΑΛΗ ΑΡΒΑΝΙΤΙΑ;
Ποιοί καί γιατί δεν ήθελαν μιά μεγάλη Ελλάδα καί μιά μεγάλη Αρβανιτιά;
It's the latest genetic research and it's not the only study, many many studies have been conducted, see behar et. al, etc. So, cypriots are in fact genetically closer to sephardics/other semites than they are to greeks, because they are assimilated eteocypriots, and not greeks. It means that pontians were assimilated in the exact same fashion that cypriots were. So, the original pontians and the original cypriots weren't greeks, and the greek-speaking ones are only culturally/linguistically so.
@Jeffanos He also explained me that they were blamed for everything that happened to the greeks in that island! If a chicken was stolen or if something happened to the greeks, the fault was of arvanites, the bad people who caused trouble to the greeks. He remembers how his father always used to tell him that Andros was made from the albanians 400 years ago, and until the albanians will keep going to live to Andros, the islands has many chances to survive.
Bravo !
Greek language and orthodoxy were created in the Byzantium. They didn't exist before. Albanian was the spoked language at that time in Greece.
After osmanic cadastral registers from the XV-XVI century, more than 95% of the population was still Albanian and less than 5% Helens in Greece.
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian but continue to be used. From Homer, you can get not only words but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences, there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology, and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek.
Title: Unconquerable Albania
Author : Christ Anton Lepon
Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
And Albania is a recent invention by the Great Powers and later communism. They were never a race or a nation.
The 'albanian language' didn't exist until AFTER the middel ages.
The rest of your communist bullcrap is just hilarious.🤣🤣🤣
If it doesnt have Pontians then how do you support your claim about their origin?
The Divine language of Arber Soons , langauge of the Lord long live Albanian and Albanian language past seculi Arvanitas still speak , Sing , Pray and Cry in this beautiful language.
Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language.
The pathetic babbling of Turkalbanians as only tuyrkish immigrants babble, fart and growl in this f@#$ed up scam🤣🤣🤣
Lord Byron about the modern turkalbanian artificial dialect 1820: Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is the basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. Their numbers were nonexistent before the Turks imported them from Dagestan and their name was Mongol in all the Balkans. They are short, yellow-ish with prominent boxheads. In all instances they spoke a turkish dialect which could neither be read nor written. In modern times this becdame under communism the Modern Turkalbanian language🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@levesd3722 Ried Gipsy ta qifsha rracen e zeze Africano Turke Gipsy Egiptiane :
Lord Byron : Albanians with their costumes make a most wonderful scenary in the world.... Albanians are the most beautifulhumann race exist courageous , Stromger than their strongholds.
Konstantin Paparigopoulos Only the Albanian race are considered descendants of the Ilyrians and the Ilyrians descendants of Pelazgien one.
Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe.
General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin-they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races.
Henri Braisford : In Macedonia Albanians are thre only indigenous people.
Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanians derives from Ilyrian and the Ilyrian from Pelasgien one.
Prof. Edwin Jaques : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessness sons were warriors of the Albania Ancestors of Achilles Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus.
Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkan peninsula found there the Albanians.
Prof. Sir Edwin Pears : Albanians are the descendants of the oldest race in Balkanic peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language merans - Pure Gold.
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians.
Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to Nations who are older then the History, and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in the Troj war , ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part.
Alphonse de Lamartine : Albanians this Nation and this people can not be mocked -This is the Land of Heros of all Time ... Homer found there Achilles , the Greeks the Alexander the Great , Turks found Scanderbeg, People these of the same race the same Blood.
Robert Gordon Latham : Macerdonia and Thracia were Albanians / Skipetar.
Joseph Salinger : The Epirotes language of the past is the Albanian language of Today.
Nikolla Jorga : The Albanian people together and the Basks one are the oldest in Europe.
Gipsy ik Tash ne Turki or ne Egypt te Vllezerit e tu Gipsy Egiptians ta dhefsha rracen e poshter Bythe zi muti.
@@afrimademi9713 klapse turcogifte turkalmpane me th pushtoratsa sou apo to Dagestan🤣🤣
The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside."
Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, pp. 353, 354 "Unlike most other European nations the Albanians cannot recall a tradition of statehood stemming from the middle ages. Albanian national pride instead centers on George Castriotti Skanderbeg (1405-1468) of serbian-greek-albanian origin"
A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration, Ana S. Trbovich, Oxford University Press, USA, 2008, pp. 79 "This model is not applicable for the case of Albania, as the Albanian ‘nation’ is a modern phenomenon that dates only to the beginning of the twentieth century."
Perparim Xhaferi, 2019 "Albanian National Identity in the twenty-first century: Escaping from the Ottoman heritage?", University of Sydney "The issue surrounding the origin of the Albanian people has been long debated by historians and linguists for centuries. Many scholars consider the Albanians, in terms of linguistic evidences, the descendant population of ancient populations of the Balkan Peninsula, EITHER the Illyrians, Thracians or another Paleo-Balkan group.[124] There are INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCES to derive an accurate conclusion and therefore ALBANIAN ORIGINS STILL REMAIN A MYSTERY".
wiki/Albanians "Many Arvanites find the designation "Albanians" OFFENSIVE as THEY IDENTIFY NATIONALLY AND ETHNICALLY AS GREEKS AND NOT ALBANIANS."
"Arvanitis respondents IMIR's team spoke with, talked about Albanians WITH DISGUST..."
Hajdinjak Marko (2005). Don't want to live with them, can't afford to live without them: Albanian labor migration in Greece Archived 2015-07-01 at the Wayback Machine. Academic paper. International Center for Minority Studies and Intercultural Relations (IMIR). pp. 8-9. "Finally, part of various Albanianization campaigns was also Decree No. 5339 of September 23, 1975 on changing inappropriate first names and surnames, which was intended to prevent the assignment of "first names that were unsuitable from a political, ideological, moral point of view" and, although not directly, but at least indirectly directed against the minorities. In the same context is the forced change of geographical designations (especially place names) with religious or foreign language reference in this time phase. Even archaeological sites of the Greek and Roman times were renamed "Illyrian".
Stoppel, Wolfgang (2005). Minderheitenschutz im östlichen Europa: Albanien (PDF) (in German). University of Cologne, p. 21: "There were no noticeable Albanian - speaking communities in the cities of the Albanian coast throughout the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlora by the Byzantine Greeks. Names of towns and rivers in Albania, always a good indicator of settlement patterns, are to a surprising extent Slavic. It is thought that a considerable proportion of the Albanians had already been assimilated by the eve of the Turkish invasion."
The distorted chicken they have for a flag was stolen from the Byzantines Albanian university professor Mark Markou: “The double-headed eagle on our flag is Byzantine, it does not represent us”
this is why Byron only found a tiny minority of Arvanites and not of Turkalbanians who were a later import to the Balkans. The true name of those invaders were Mongol since Ottoman times since they only exist for a couple of centuries at most. They are Yellow and their eyes are barely open. Those imports speak broken Turkish which is still the language of their masters. This broken Turkish is teh basis of the modern Turkalbanian dialect invented by communism. So let's talk about Dagestan, Azerbaijan and Outer Mongolia where those Mongols were imported from since we all aiam to send those boxheads back soon enough.
Vladan Djordjevic called those "prehumasn with tails" so like turkish yogurt this is who the turkalbanians are🤣🤣🤣
Εχουμε μπλεξει τα μπουτια εδω μεσα στο τελος θα βγουμε και .....Τελος παντων bla bla
NIce video Music of epirus
You're right. It's the Orthodox flag. These people fought for freedom from Islam... as we did in Albania, even thought we used Islam as camouflage during hard times.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE CORRECT.... YOUR MODERN DAY FLAG IS OUR GREEK FLAG FROM THE BYZANTIUM EMPIRE..... JUST PROVES ME RIGHT THAT YOU ARE A BUNCH OF NO GOOD THIEVES AND LIARS WTH NO HISTORY PAST YOUR PATHETIC MEAGER NEW EXISTENCE !!!! ALBANIAN=LOSER THIEF !!!!
@Jeffanos ...Because 5 of them converted to orthodoxy and became montenegrins, this happened when the turks came and also before. How they became montenegrins? They were payed with money or they were pushed to marry the new arrivals, the slavs. In Serbia today there are 12 villages, who are from my same tribe, the Shkreli; they all say that they are serbs and not albanians anymore. But their roots are albanian. Same happened to the arvanites.
Well why don't you start off by agreeing or disagreeing w my previous statements... then we can can get into the "difference"... or not.
After the creation of Ethnic Albania it will be the new Arvanites State .
Didnt I say goodbye?
Why keep saying the same to me?
Like I said, it doesn't matter if an eteocypriot became greek speaking in 900BC or if a native peruvian became spanish speaking in 1600AD, racially they are not and have nothing to do with greeks or spaniards. That's Cultural assimilation. First of all 1/3rd of the greek population consists of pontians, second of all, there was heavy mixing during the byzantine era, plus also before that, anatolian-like people lived in greece before the indo-european hellenes arrived from the north and mixed too
I gave you multiple studies, you can look them up. They've been academically vetted and they all point to the same general conclusions with cypriots being closer to other near easterners, despite being greek speaking.
Why is it that in every single video, whenever someone questions the anatolian or turkish (modern turkish is understood as being anatolian) component in greece, greeks always say that turks are greeks, etc.When, if you look at the complete historical data, it's a different picture
Given the origins of cypriots it's likely, but It doesn't matter as the greeks/s. italians already have pre-IE ancestry which is why they are genetically closer to turks than they are to central europeans/most europeans. That's also why they look different, of course. As for minoans, it just means that they mixed earlier, but tocharians do not have any near eastern input, so it would be physically impossible for the original IE-speaking greeks to have the same, since the greeks mixed with others
Let me quote you here" It is a genetic fact", Minoans cluster with Greeks and nort-Europeans, there was no admixture, they were a European people all along.
Jam Dakorte se shumica e tyre kur ju intereson thone qe jane Shqipetar.
Musical-bey, the General Kioutachi (Mehmet Resit Pasha, Walesa Roumeli) had set up an ambush at the exit of Mesolongiton killing 500, was killed by Karaiskaki in Arachova in 1826 and his head pinned to the pole with the Kechagiampei
Ali Pasha, Ali Mehmet... They were Albanians that gave two shits about Muslim faith. They rose to their ranks to declare war or independence to Top Kapi. Ali Mehmet did it in Egypt and was the most revolutionary king.
Ali Pasha instead had it bad. His head was sent to the Soultan on a silver tray.
On the other side, the Church wanted the independence its own way, and wanted to make sure that once independence was achieved, it was the AUTHORITY!
Yes, it is accepted. Herodotus said that the etruscans were anatolians, and the linguistic evidence and the genetic evidence backs up that the original etruscans came from anatolia at one point or another. That study you're talking about doesn't show that 'minoans' were european, it means that the point that the measured the study, the mixture that took place would have occurred earlier, and hence resembling modern greeks, but modern greeks are already mixed from ancient times to begin with too.
According to the authors, these results are consistent with the hypothesis of an indigenous development of the Minoan civilization from the descendants of the first Neolithic settlers to the island (who arrived approximately 9,000), as opposed to a North African or Egyptian origin, as originally hypothesized by Evans.[77]
te lumte vella
shume e vyer puna qe ke bere
te lumshin duart
Hmm what is this study about Cypriots being closer to Jews?
And as far as I can remember I asked about the Pontians, not the Cypriots.
What about them?
The original europeans weren't IE. There was an indo-european expansion, and the original europeans would have been more similar to turkish/anatolian type people as has been linguistically confirmed with etruscan being linguistically connected to the dagestani language group. You also see hatti in anatolia. So, the IE came later and mixed with the native near-eastern type non-IE. So, ultimately, the original Hellenic tribes descend from common IE tribes at one point as tocharians/other IEs too.
There have been no genetic studies conducted on pontians, but cypriots have been shown to be semitic, and it doesn't matter that much, because again, both Greeks and S. italians have heavy pre-IE ancestry that ultimately would have been related to some type of anatolian component anyway. So, if cypriots are hellenized/turkified natives, then the same case should be for pontians as well as mainland italians/greeks who assimilated the pre-IE type of people living there before the IE expansions too
Well, Cypriots are mainly descendants of ancient Arcadian Greeks and Phoenicians who got hellenized. They are Hellenes for more than 2000 years, this is pointless to prove them "foreign" origin.
We now know that the founders of the first advanced European civilization were European," said study co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos, a human geneticist at the University of Washington. "They were very similar to Neolithic Europeans and very similar to present day-Cretans."[78]
@GencKastrati
EDES was a self lead paramilitary faction of partisans not operating under the direction of a Greek government as it was in disarray, The expulsion was done at the request of the British high command, Why are you not pursuing the British for their role in it?
Stop spamming everywhere...
And BTW... the Mongols came took Constantinople FIRST (a supposedly Greek land).
And with its people, they came and enslaved the Balkans, starting with the recruitment of the Arvanites from the south.
We were occupied long after the rest of the "Greeks" were already fighting for the Ottomans.
It was a south-eastern force, and to the south-east of Albania, you have Greece! If they didn't enslave Greece first, they wouldn't have enslaved us with "Greek" soldiers.
Use thy mind!
All i know is that they are hellenic names all with meaning in the greek language
Lol doesnt mean jack shit...most all the Albanian names during the medieval times had Christian origin (John, George, Peter, Paul etc).
Qifsha ropt. Laguange are 100% Albanians 🇦🇱
Greek=gaidouri turks pontiu slav
Nefeli there is no need to talk if arvanitika is a dialect in Greece... and if you didnt met any arvanit who doesnt speak greek maybe this is because you dont live in Greece.
If i bother with arvanites this is because i have a relation with them, lets just say i speak arvanitika... What is your relation with arvanites, are you one of them?
Historiani Turk Mehmet Tefik shkruan:
"Bashkësinë Osmane e kanë siguruar dy krahë: turqit në Lindje (Anadoll) dhe vellezerit e tyre shqiptarë në Perëndim (Ballkan)".
Turkish Historian Mehmet Tefik writes:
Turkish Nation was protected in the East (Anatolia) by the Turks and on the West (Ballkans) by their Albanian Brothers
Look-up the etruscans in italy, they had linguistic/genetic connections to anatolia/caucasus. There were already anatolian type people living in italy/greece, before the indo-europeans migrated from the north and mixed with the natives, that's why greeks and s. italians are genetically closer to turks than they are to most europeans. And as for Pontians, they are just like cypriots, eteocypriots/anatolians who were hellenized/turkified, etc. during cultural assimilation/conquest, the same effect
Wait, so accordint to you study on the Cypriots and Etruscans based on MtDNA is ok but on the Minoans somehow is not acceptable by you?
Isnt it kind double standards?