e shqyrton perendia sjelljen e njeriut secili duhet te pergjigjet para zotit = ) zoti i mallkon per mekatet e tyre kunder kombit tane qe kan bere dhe ende bejn ......................zoti i madh na bekoft tungjatjeta
Interesting!! Alphabet!! Not used on the first french order producing an albanian dictionary now on a display in a french museum. 1805 the alphabet was greek
george Fred Williams wrote in 1914: “Back in prehistory, before the Homeric singers sang to the deities and mythological heroes, before the Greek language was even written, lived a people known as Pelasgians … Albanians are the only ones who have come so far from this powerful prehistoric race. Only in the recent years has been determined that the Pelasgians were the ancient Illyrians… These Illyrians passed in Italy with the name Tosk, as they are called yet in Albania, while in Italy have remained as Tosk, Tuscan, and Etruscan… Albanian has been the true language of Homer; the Greeks have borrowed it from the Pelasgian rhapsody… Albanian was the native language of the conquests of the Great Alexander and Pyrrhus of Epirus, one of the greatest generals in history… Herodotus (484-425 BC) imputes the history to the Pelasgians, which these are mentioned much earlier than the Greek civilization; the rough paper covering the sides of the Pantheon in Athens is still called Pelasgian. They built great walls called cyclopean and for whom Prof. Pokok says that these were built long before the Greeks of Homer existed. From this strong prehistoric race were only Albanians. Only in recent times is explicated that the old Illyrians were Pelasgians, the first Indo-European branch, whose empire spread from Minor Asia to the Adriatic and from the North to the Danube. It is a tragedy beyond any imagination that this great and very ancient race comes to this condition, which deserves to be called the scandal of the European civilization. It is not surprising that the Ottoman conqueror stopped any digging on Albanian soil, which could remind the people its former glory… What great wealth of knowledge awaits the archaeologist when the Albanian land opens the Pelasgians treasures of history? ” From studies of young writers, as Prof. Max Müller and Prof. Pot, this origin became stable through Albanians. It is useless to require the gods of Greece on the etymology of its language. In Albanian these are very clear and their meanings are right. Many more could be added to this list. These prove that Albanians today are the land of the ancestors and speak the language of their great-grandparents. Even before the Hellenic branch was recognized in the mountains of Thessaly, Shkoder, Albania’s main city, was undoubtedly the magnificent capital of the kingdom of Illyria. When the Albanian language is studied perfectly well and when her oral tradition is exhumed, then many of the works of Homer will be reviewed
@@user-db8ht2hg9k turko albani karit'albanien fuck Türkei,albenia where katolik and litel ortodoks, und Not protekt with pakt rusland, therefore bekam a Muslim,albania realy realy ist 90percent katolik and10 ortodoks,den biger 25jahre the albanian arberor fuck mehmet 2
@@user-db8ht2hg9k When you say turkoalban is because you are mixing religion islam into race. Arvanites are albanians orthodox and by orthodox in your country Greece should be Greek. Dont mix religion into race. If you convert to buddhist... will your face shift to chinese? Of course not, lol.
I cant believe this is an European country! Where "democracy" is born! It should be an example for all the other countries, not go on with lying about the truth. You cannot escape from the truth, the sooner you acknowledge that, the better. Albania is not the enemy of Greece. Nothing bad will happen if Greece tells the history as it has happened.
We have to always consider how all of this started. We cannot take for granted how new nations unfold after an empire or I should say to empires created no borders or boundaries and now when the empire was crumbling all these different people were trying to formations which is an extremely difficult task. The situation is that any borders being formed after such a long history under Empires will not be perfect and there will be conflict. The Greeks and the Albanian of the villages and the mountains did not have national awareness. The Albanian elite and the Greek elite of Asia minor had a better understanding of that because in those days they were no public library‘s and the villagers and people living in the mountains did not have access to history other than what they heard from their neighbors or family members. Once the nation started forming the national awareness started coming about the problem was that everybody had a claim of some land because the people moved and mingled and mixed. When Greece was formed it was trying to form it’s ancient land because that’s what they had known last prior to Rome taking over and then the Ottomans. No forming a nation while trying to separate from an empire that you’re part of for 400 years is difficult because even identity can get a little blurry. Greeks were becoming Muslim Albanians were becoming Muslim the word Muslim didn’t really get used only the word Turk and since a Turk was Muslim that means a convert was a Turk. These are things that don’t make sense to us today because we have a different idea of nationality and heritage and we have history books and genetics and all these tools to understand better. And if you look at places like even Germany or other European and Asian and many many other nations you will see that they assimilated people. Assimilating happens naturally. You do not have to force assimilation but in certain times you didn’t want to speed it up because any new nation or group outside of yours could utilize some of your people and try to take over and annex your land with the reason being that is there a people live there. No one was really wrong no one was really right. The fact is trying to make some thing like this Stick is not easy so assimilation was a big part mainly due to the fear that any Islam converts would sign up with the Ottomans even if they didn’t believe in Islam just so they can get paid and that’s what happened. The Muslim Albanian did take payments from the Ottoman as mercenaries to attack the new Greek state. Orthodox Albanian or is there a better known as Arvanites were the one fighting them. This created a little bit of a problem as far as generalize talk of who’s on who’s side. That was not dropped by the government because it also helped the government keep this issue alive so that the people within the new formed Greek state would not attach themselves to any group outside of it and therefore it would not create a reason for annexation or any type of loss of land. The same thing happen with the new formation of turkey in it byzantine population and that’s where the spear has originated from. And today however this threat no longer exist other than in the media. We are currently in the transition between the mindset of back then to the modern mindset. The only issue we have to overcome others is the issue of in Sausalito is something that might have been two years ago is that one group is totally innocent and the other one is not. The truth is that a boat groups did things to provoke one another and harmed one another. We should realize that we both come from the same Paleo Balkan group and we have more things in common then not. So let’s take our common background and regroup.
@@stopinjorances2222 Do you like Kolokotronis 🦅🇬🇷🦅 He punished Albanians...or Karaiskakis 🦅🇬🇷🦅he also punished Albanians...And what is with Napoleon Zervas our great Souliote Hero 🦅🇬🇷🦅
Is it a lie that you were allied with the Nazis and Ottomans? Is it a lie that Ali Pasha was Albanian? Is it a lie that botsaris died fighting Ali pasha, Slaughtering thousands of Albanians in Ioannina? Is it a lie that the Ottoman Empire gave control of the Thesprotia region to then Ottoman Albanians which then you lost it after our Souliots launched their attack? Is it a lie that in 1943 you tried to invade with the Italian and Belgian AXIS and you were literally defeated and you cry ''Chamouria'' almost a century later? Is it a lie that in 1997 we rescued 500 THOUSAND of you from Albania, in Durres (Previously knows as Dyraxion, which we gave you in 1912 to become a whole country with places such as Argirokastro, Tepeleni, Avlona and so on) and to thank us, you are now claiming parts of our history, trying to even claim OUR alphabet is yours? Fuck off dirty rat. We get it you want a hero identity, however the fact is that you were the cucks of Balkans, trying to get carried from the Ottomans and the Nazis.
Erick Castro , perpara pavarsise se greqise , eshte e veshtire te gjesh Grek etnike pervec Tsakoneve te cilet jetonin ne zonat malore te Peloponezit. Tsakonet flisnin gjuhe te ndryshme nga greqishtja e sotme e cila u implemetua pas pavaresise neper shkolla
@@nitro-ww6sk vëlla nuk e ke lexuar mirë. . Këtë e thonë grekët! Istoria e vërtetë po tregon se ai shtete ka fshehur gjithçka deri me sot! Ngadalë do dalin të gjitha se nga vrasjet që kan bere ndaj arvanitasve kockat skan rënë të qeta dhe ndaj një ditë do dali e vërteta. ..
@@nitro-ww6sk Po kur nuk luftonin vete Shqiptaret e Shqiperise si do luftonin Shqiparet e Greqise . Ata as greqishte nuk dinin jo me te kishin ndo1 ndergjegje Greke
No more Greek bullshit for the Albanian arvati from the Greeks. Dhune, dhune vetem dhune edhe diskriminacion per Shqipetaret ka qene Greku. Albanians say stop to them, from now on. When, are they going to be right to you, for being Albanian??
A state should be right with the history and tell the truth even when the truth hurts. Then if it tells only the true history God will bless this nation. Peace and love of Jesus be to my Greek brothers with you, from arvan brother in Shqiperia.
na sill ndonje prove qe sllavet kroate e sllovene qenkan me te afert me iliret...kaq injorante jeni dhe nuk kuptoni qe emri ilir ka kuptim vetem ne shqip dhe jemi ne shqiptaret qe flasim kete gjuhe...qenkan kroatet ilire e ne shqiptaret nuk kemi prova ...propaganda Beogradi
@@klmsps5576 na cave trapin me mitologjine e grekeve. O idiot o mjeran o plere ne kemi flamur mbi 600 vjecare, kemi histori, kemi arkeologji, cfare na cani karin me mongolet greke, 200 vjet history mund te deklarojne para 1821 greket skane fakte. Te pakten kta qe quajne veten greke sot skane lidhje me greqine para 1821, mitologjia e sotme ska fakte thjesht sajesa e trillime prandaj jane ne hall se skane cte tregojne, hajde kris bythen plere e trushplare
There is 2 Albanian states in the Balkans, there’s Macedonia where Albanians are gonna be majority in next 20 years, Montenegro where there’s already an Albanian as Prime Minister (Dritan Abazovic)… Not talking about the Albanians who are taking relevant positions in Greece
Noi siamo più europei dei europei l'unico stato che abbiamo 3 religioni che vano d'accordo .più i minoriteti hanno tutti i diritti e scuole noi siamo un esempio in tutto il mondo siamo sempre stati dal antichità.sono orgoglioso di essere albanese viva l'Albania e tutti gli albanesi al mondo
@@illyrian3949 Ρε δεν αφήνετε τα καραγκιοζιλίκια; Να τα βρείτε με τους Σκοπιανούς και τους Βούλγαρους, γιατί από τρεις διαφορετικές πλευρές ακούμε να αμφισβητείτε την ιστορία μας και να προσεταιρίζεστε όλοι τα ίδια πράγματα! Άντε σταματήστε τις βλακείες και βρείτε δική σας ιστορία - αν έχετε! Κατά αρχήν καμμία σχέση δεν έχετε με τους Ιλλυρίους και το ξέρετε! Δεύτερον επί Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας οι μεταβάσεις πληθυσμών ήταν συχνές! Όπως είναι φυσικό, πολλοί Έλληνες έφυγαν από την Ελλάδα και πολλοί Αλβανοί έφυγαν από την Αλβανία! Εσείς προσπαθείτε τελείως ηλίθια να μας πείσετε ότι οι περισσότεροι από τους Αγωνιστές της Ελλάδας ήταν Αλβανοί! Με την ίδια λογική τότε, αν και 'μεις κάνουμε το ίδιο, ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΣΗΜΕΡΙΝΑ ΔΕΔΟΜΕΝΑ μπορούμε να επικαλεστούμε τους Αλβανούς πολίτες Ελληνικής καταγωγής και να σας πούμε ότι δεν υπάρχουν Αλβανοί και είστε όλοι Έλληνες! Μειώστε τις βλακείες που λέτε, γιατί η ιστορία πάει χέρι - χέρι με την αρχαιολογία! Και απ' αυτή την άποψη το ελληνικό φύλλο είναι αποδεδειγμένα αυτόχθον. Το μαρτυρεί η αρχιτεκτονική, το μαρτυρούν και οι τέχνες με τις επιστήμες που υπήρχαν στη περιοχή την ίδια εποχή που οι προγονοί σου ζούσαν σε λαγούμια χωρίς γραφή και έτρωγαν ωμό κρέας! Το μαρτυρούν και οι πάμπολλες ελληνικές λέξεις στα αλβανικά οι οποίες συνθετικά - ετυμολογικά, δε σημαίνουν τίποτα στην Αλβανική γλώσσα! Για παράδειγμα " Γυναίκα", "Αργυρόκαστρο" που το κάνατε " Τζιροκάστρο", λες και είναι κάνα σουβλάκι, " Αυλώνας" που το κάνατε " Βλιόρα" και τόσα άλλα! Μέχρι και τον Όμηρο πήγατε να βγάλετε Αλβανό, αλλά πρέπει να τα βρείτε στο θέμμα αυτό με τους φίλους σας τους Τούρκους που ο ψυχοπαθής πελάτης των τρελοκομείων που κάνατε πρωθυπουργό, πούλησε τους κώλους σας! Αυτοί ισχυρίζονται ότι είναι τουρκος! Στην Αλβανία υπήρχαν αρχαίες ελληνικές πόλεις και οι αρχαιολογικές σκαπάνες αναδυκνύουν ελληνική αρχιτεκτονική! Το ότι είναι ελληνικές αναφέρεται και από το Θουκυδίδη και από τον Αρίσταρχο! Το αν υπήρχαν Αλβανοί που έλαβαν μέρος στον απελευθερωτικό αγώνα της Ελλάδας είναι ένα θέμα! Οι κοτσάνες όμως που πετάτε προσπαθώντας να κλέψετε ιστορία, είναι άλλο! Ποιος ήταν ο Σκεντέρμπεης; Για πες μας; Ξέρεις πολύ καλά έτσι; Είναι λογικό, αφού στην ιστορία σας δεν έχετε ούτε μια νίκη και πάντα σκύβετε το κεφάλι στο δυνατότερο, να προσπαθείτε να κλέψετε απ' αυτούς που έχουν! Τραβάτε κατα Ιταλία μεριά γιατί εδώ έχετε πολλούς ανταγωνιστές στο κλέψιμο ιστορίας και είναι πιο δυνατοί από σας! Θα φάτε πάλι φαπες! Μη πάτε όμως στη κάτω Ιταλία, γιατί και κει με Έλληνες θα μπλέξετε...:))) Όσο για τα δάνεια της Ελλάδας, καλλίτερα να κλείσεις το στόμα σου γιατί γίνεσαι γελοίος! Να σέβεσαι στους απογόνους αυτών που κατέβασαν τη γιαγιά σου από τα δέντρα την έμαθαν να περπατάει στα δυό πόδια, να ξεφλουδίζει τις μπανάνες πριν τις φάει και της έδωσαν γραφή!!!! Α, συγνώμη, ξέχασα..... Μπανάνες είδες αφού ήρθες στην Ελλάδα.....Όπως και έγχρωμη τηλεόραση, ηλεκτρισμό, και ψυγείο με δύο πόρτες που δε δουλεύει με πάγο! Πριν από αυτό, όταν ο άλλος ψυχοπαθής σα πήδηξε με τις Πυρμιδε;, σας στέλναμε ρύζι και πορτοκάλια για να μη πεθάνετε της πείνας και ερχόσασταν στην Ελλάδα για δουλειά. Μη προσπαθείς να πείσεις έναν Έλληνα ότι κατάγεται από μια ράτσα που μέχρι τον εικοστό αιώνα εκτός από γαϊδούρια και πολυβολεία δεν είχε δει τιποτ' άλλο! Μη κάνεις ποτέ πια, αυτό το λάθος! Γίνεσαι γελοίος!
@@illyrian3949 Α, και που 'σαι, μη ξεχάσω..... Γκροτέσκο είναι να μιλάει για κλέφτες, ένας Αλβανός! Αλβανός να αποκαλεί τους άλλους,κλέφτες; Αχαχαχαααααχαχαααααα!!! Το ανέκδοτο του αιώνα! Αχαχαχααααααααα!!!
@@illyrian3949 αμα δεν σεβεσαι τη χωρα που σου εδωσε ψωμι να μην ξαναπατησεις ποτε το ποδι σου εδω. Εγω προσωπικά θεμα με Αλβανους δεν εχω αλλα ο σεβασμος πρεπει να ειναι αμφιδρομος. Και αυτα τα "η αληθεια ερχεται" τι ειναι απειλές; Θα ερθεις να μας κανεις ντα;
She ti je ilire directe pa asnje pike gjaku mongolotaklamaklane asiatike? E ke pare gruan e berishis cfare sy ka? m.th-cam.com/video/WQ0nOd6zo8M/w-d-xo.html
My Albanian pride I will not hide. My Pelasgian ancestors I will not disgrace. My illyrian blood flows hot and true. My Albanian people I will stand by you. Through thick and thin till the day we die, our Albanian flag WILL ALWAYS FLY HIGH
no you know shit...there is no such thing as orthodox Turks you idiot,a muslim could never convert to being christian.Yeah greeks were converted to islam but they were no longer considered greek but traitors and no one would see them as greeks anymore they became turks..unlike you that you seem to love traitors
Pelasgians lived in the hellenic area and were the protohellenes. ane are mentioned by Hellenic writers, not by albanians !! that time you did not existed.. History noticed you as shepherds.. nothing else...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians
No sir Albanian language you can translate everything ! Sir just for one example you know the wort kuzine in France or in Italia ? Can you translate this in France or in Italian or in a another language ?this is just 1 from 500 words sir !
Света Лула Ancient Greeks were Albanians 🇦🇱 PROOF ---> Olympia = O Lumt Shpia = Glories House Aphrodite = Afer Dita = Near Day / Dawn Hera = Era = Wind Apollo = Apelon = Appeal Rhea = Reja = Clouds Zeus = Zot = God Pegasus = Prej nga Zeus = Comes from God Ares = Are = Field Demeter = Dimer = Winter Hestia = Vjeshta = Autumn Primavera/ Minerva = Pran Vera = Spring Poseidon = Posedon = Owns Triton = Driton = Light Up Thetis = Deti = Sea Fortuna = Furtuna = Storm Kronos = Krijoj = Create Amalthea = Tamel Dhia = Goat Milk Adamanthea = At Te Man Dhia = The Goat Should Keep Him Hephaestus = Sefa e Shtus = Joy and Rise Alexander = Aj Le Si Ander = Born Like a Dream Cleopatra = Ka Le E Para = First To Be Born Archimedes = Ar Ki M Des = Gold you will Die Hippocrates = Hapi Krahet = Spread your Wings Herodotus = Era e Dites = Day Wind Aristotle = Ari Do Te Le = Gold Shall He Born Paris = Parajse = Paradise Pericles = Pari ka le = First Born Asclepius = Aj Se ka Le Pi Ujt = He who has born from the Waters Achilles = I Quillit /Ne Quill Le = From The Sky /Born in the Sky Hercules = Hekur Les = Born Iron Troy = Troja = Place or Land of Origin/Roots Medusa = Me Dy Sy --> With 2 Eyes Pandora = Pun Dore = Hand Made Odyssey = Udhetues = Travel /Traveler The letter DH did not exist in the Roman Aphabet so they changed the word just like Dhompir = (Drink With Teeth) they change it to Vampire Ajax = Gjak / Ne Gjak = Blood / Blood Feud Oracles of Pythia = Ore ku Len Pytje = There where you ask a Question Delphi = Selvi/Selvije = A Beauty Together it says = There where you ask the Beauty a question Alexander the Great Soldiers, that settled in Pakistan for more then 2000 years are Called Hunza = Hunda = Nose Burushi= Burrash or Burr = Men Pamiri = Pamja Mir = Good Looking Kalashi = Kala or Kali = Castle or Horse. Alexander the Great Named Most Mountain in Asia Tirisch Mir = Ti Rish Mir = You stay Well Rakaposhi = Ra ka Poshte = Falls Downwards Torabora = Tu Ra Bora = Snow is Falling Stok Kangri = Sa Toke ka Ngri = So much Land is Frozen Bubli Motin = Bubullime Moti = Thunder Weather Ka ra Buura = Ka ra Bora = Snow has Fallen Diran = Durron / Dy Ren = Two Turns / Withstand Shpartans King List Names Translation into Albanian Sparta = Shpata = Sword Lycurgus = Ligji = Law Agis = Aga = Elder Theopupos = Dhe I Popullt = Nation Land Doryssos = Durojesh = Withstand Damaratos = Te Meriton = You Deserve Klenymos = Ka Le Ndimues = Born a Helper Cleombrotos = Ka Le Mbrojte = Born a Shild / Born Protective Kleodaios = Ka Le I Dijes = Born All Knowing Alcamenas = Aj Ka Menas = He has a Mind Eurykratos = U rritch Krye or Krahet = Grow Headed or Grow Big Shouldred Eurypon = U rritch Pun = Grow Harworking Eurysthenes = U rritsch sa te Hene = May you grow to the Moon Eurydamedas = U riritch sa me dit = Grow until you Know Pausanias = Pasunia = Wealthy Hippocratidas = Hapi Krahet = Spread you Wings Hippomendon = Hapi Mended = Think Wise Ariston = Arrituar = Reach Success Labotas = Sa Bota = Big as Earth Anaxadritas = I Ngjan Drites = Resemble The Light Anaxilaos = I Ngjan Yjet = Resemble The Stars Anaxandros = I Ngan Andres = Resemble a Dream Anaxidamos = I Ngan Demit = Resemble a Bull Zeuxidamus = Zerin Si Demi = Voice of a Bull Arehidamus = Aj Rrehet Si Demi = He Fights Like a Bull Menares = Menare = Wise Polydoros = Fol I Dores = Speaks Profiency Echestratos = Udhes Drejtes = Lead Straight Nikomedes = Nje Kombit = One Nation Randon Italien Cities Names Translation into Albanians Italy / Viteli = Ve Dielli = Place of Sun or Sunny Place Calabria = Kala Briri = Casle of Horns or Horn Caste Rome = Rromullak = Round ( couse all Buldings were build in a Circle Shape ) Sicily = In the east the Siculi, or Sicels, who gave their name to the Island but were reputed to be latecomers from Italy; to the west of the Gelaes River, the Sicani; and in the extreme west the Elymians , a people to whom a Trojan origin. Siculi = Sikur Ylli = The the Star Sicani = Sikur Hana = Like the Moon Elymians = Ylli Mi Hanes = Star above the Monn ( Like Illuminati, but that says: Ylli Mi Nat = Star above the Night ) And also Julius Ceasar says: Je Ylli = You are a Star , Ca es ar says: Ky esht Ar = He is Gold As a History Lover im Disappointed I have been tought the wrong History all this time. And how many more Albanians have to live in the dark believing its all Greek .. Arvanites: Live in Greece for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arbëreshë: Live in Italy for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arnavut: Live in Turkey for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Alexander’s Hunza ,Kalash , Pamir , Tokhari people: Live in Asia for thousands of years, and use Albanians words 🇦🇱 Where are the Greek Speakers, that settled somewhere in the World, for thousands of years, and speak Ancient Greek ????? WAKE UP People !!! ANCIENT GREECE SPOKE ALBANIAN!! @ancient_albania Instagramaoougdecgh
@@dalina25 Maybe your history books are wet. Put a new naulon ... Your country products only hasish and whores ... We have 5000 years of writen history, teaching all over the world at the biggest universities.... Don't take greek words, because the meanings you gave are extremely wrong. Learn ancient Greek language first. Try a greek historical,put away these wet books of hotza.
@@vangjelpapa4317 asnjeri nuk thot magna grecia. Dijne fjale greqisht po fjale te vjetra qe dhe tosket u perdorin. Psh fjala Gjitone. Po shume pak pjesa tjtr eshte 70%shqip 28%siciliane/kalabreze.
@@denissaliaj9459 po per ju edhe .inoritetet ne shqipri jan fallco vetem ju jeni aftokton pavarsisht qe para 100vjetesh as alfabet skishit akoma jetoni me propaganden komuniste
Te rrojne arvanitasit... Mbase I detyrojne te thone qe jeni geek... Por e dine shume mire qe jane gjak shqiptari... Ta dini se jeni vllezerit tane... Dhe nuk ju hedhim poshte.. Te beni kujdes nga greket e qelbur
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi Hahahhaa my grandfathers were soldiers under Napoleon Zervas...do you understand Gim from North Monkeydonia 🇲🇰 th-cam.com/video/RIxUBUFyXv4/w-d-xo.html
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi Arvanitas greatest dream was always to be Greeks and the Albanians biggest dream were to be Turks...you come from North Monkeydonia...and the biggest dream for yugoslavians was to be Mecedonians.....all those pathetic countries need Greek history....1+1=2...2+2=4...4+4=8...etc
Dua te dal nga diskutimi dhe te pergezoj te tre te ata qe po diskutonin pasi treguan nje kulture shume te madhe dhe respektim te njeri tjetrit ne diskutim, pa perdorur tone te renda dhe fjale ofenduese sic ndodh shpesh neper studiot shqiptare apo pa i folur siper kolegut apo nderprer ate. Duam apo nuk duam, kemi shume per te mesuar nga greqia mbi kulturen baze civile.
@agronmerovci731 Georgiadis eshte rrobt kari, tashme është Minister e Punës e ka kaluar një ligj që detyron njerëzit të punojnë 13 orë në ditë, ky ligj do vin në fuqi nga fillimi i vitit 2024.
Albanesi e greci sono fratelli prima lo accettate meglio e per i vostri figli perche non volete conoscere la vostra storia? Non e quella scritta da voi ma quella reale basta che chiedete ai vostri cittadini (voi sapete quali) invece di farli tacere fateli parlare e saprete la verità non ce niente da aver paura la verita rende liberi
Ρε φιλε στην αλβανια εχει κατι υποσαχαριες φυλες σαρδων κατι που μοιαζουν με δρουζους λιαπηδες ιταλους τηγανοκεφαλους κλπ σημιτοφοινικες λες να ειναι ολοι αδερφια μας και ο αλλος που λεει σαλομ
arvanitas are albanian, and greece is still comunist state that have to run like egypt and people to have free breath to tel who they are, what leanguage they want to speak
ARVANITAS ARE GREEKS AND CRISTIANS!!THE REST OF ALBANIANS ARE FILOTURKS ......OUR LANGUAGE ARE THE GREEK LANGUAGE WITH THE SAME ALFABET BORN 3000 YEARS DURING THE TURK ALBANIAN-PEOPLE HAS NON ALFABET .........
@@kyriakospsikakos9634 Waw! How do you say above me: - being christian albanian; my grandparents fought against ottomans for preserving eternal lands/faith/albanian identity/heritage; having NOTHING to do with ottoman/turks ; speaking the same language as arvanites speak?
@@ritar2913 Buhaahaaa 🤣.... Arvanites 🦅🇬🇷🦅 in Greece are,,proud,, Albis 🤣...thats why Arvanites killed you since 1580...at last under Napoleon Zervas 👍🏻
Dont expect Arvanites (at least most of them) to publically declare they they are Albanians (they accept that they speak Albanian though). Unfortunately due to the centuries long Greek propaganda, and due to the latest misfortunes of the Albanian nation (that caused a major part of Albanians to stay secluded from the rest of the world, be one of the poorest countries in Europe, and after the fall of communism to become one of the countries with the highest criminality rate), the idea of the common Albanian to the Greek population became such that Arvanites felt ashamed to admit their origin. Not only them .. this is a common phenomenon for a lot of Albanians that have moved to Greece the last 30 years (see Eleni Foureira etc). Greece as a nation on the other hand is embarrassed to say that a lot (if not a majority) of the high ranking "officers" of the war against the Turks were Albanians (at that time they spoke Albanian most of the time, but they also spoke Greek since they lived here) and most of the villages around Athens, the cradle of their civilization spoke Albanian, and the Greek Idea that the European forces tried to portray after the 1821 war was just a dream... Arvanites during tha time didnt like muslim Albanians who fought for the Turks (fun fact for the Greeks , no real Albanian liked Albanians who fought for the Turks, at least the ones who did it willingly, because a lot of Albanians were forcefully taken to fight for the Othoman army). Religion played a significant role for them as well. At that time even in Albania, orthodox Albanians didnt really have the best relationships with muslim Albanians. Our national hero Skenderbeu fought against muslim Albanians who didnt join him during his rebellion against the Ottoman empire. Anyway, good thing for us Albanians is that most of us know the history of both sides while for the Greeks I cant say the same...
Most Arvanites were bilingual ... they spoke both Greek and Arvanitika so it makes no sense to say that any of them were of Albanian descent because something like this is not true. All Arvanites had a Greek conscience. I know it first hand because my grandmother was Arvanitisa bilingual ... but when you asked her what you are she would tell you I am Greek of course !!! but also i know it from many writings by arvanites (letters memoirs etc etc) who used Greek language when writing. Together with the other Greeks but also with Muslims who could not stand the oppression by the Turks (Islamized Greeks) they made the revolution of 1821. The Greek state was built on the struggles of all of them and we are all proud Greeks who have a Greek education and culture and we declare it publicly and privately even if some of us speak also arvanitika besides Greek . Many ancient Greek cities existed in present-day Albania ... so we do not know if you are a true Albanian or maybe you are of Greek descent.the ancient Greeks had 5000 cities around Mediterranean sea in the time of roman conquest. Αlso there are evidences the ancient Illyrians are Greeks of Doric origin according to various researches. The Dorians are one of the 4 main Greek races that formed the Greek nation. If you are a descendant of the Illyrians (as you say) then you are of Greek origin (It should make you proud to say that you are of Greek origin because Greeks created one of the most brilliant civilizations ever ..you wake up!!!). after all, there are many studies that show the Doric origin of the Albanian language. on the other hand ....we know our history very well and we do not expect you to teach it to us. in addition do not insist on pure races and pure DNA etc etc etc ... because it is absurd and does not make sense....something like that supported and that crazy boy Hitler (who was supported by the Muslim Albanians by the way - the unforgettable Turkalbans by us) and did you see where he ended up?
@@mks5756 listen buddy, you can call yourself whatever you want, whatever you feel like. You can move to China in a couple of years and call yourself Chinese for all I care. That's not the point. The point is that Arvanites used to be Albanians at some point during their history..they lived in the area we call today Albania or what we used to call the Principat or Arbanon (hence Arbanon, Arbanites and Arberesh of Italy who have never denied their true historical identity, even though today they are Italians of course). You dont have to make up stories so the other Greeks see you differently, you have fought for that country more than most of "true" Greeks. I say "true" Greeks because just like you mentioned in your comment about Albanian people being mixed with Greeks and other ethnicities, the same goes for the majority of the Greeks who are mixed with Albanians/Illyrians, Romans, Slavs, Turks, Bulgarians, Egyptians etc etc... I guarantee you that if there was a crystall ball where we could see where most of your neighbor's ancestors in Greece were 600 years ago, your Arvanite grand grand parents would have better chances of being located inside the territory of today's Greece. I am sure that if somebody from Germany or Sweden claimed Arvanites as their own you wouldn't have an issue..i guarantee you that. But because of our recent history, religion and economical struggles we as Albanians got a bad reputation so it's a little bit more difficult for you guys to admit your origin. That's ok...one day, maybe in a couple of generation it won't be so difficult for you guys to admit the truth. Hopefully the perception Greeks have about Albanians will change and you won't feel ashamed of who your grand grandparents were. 😉
@@ardip.6930 You did not read everything I wrote and you do not argue about what I wrote. I dispute that if 5000+ cities on the time of the Roman conquest were of Greek origin, you should probably ask yourself whether you are of Greek origin and not the opposite. Around 200 BC το 100 ΒC the Greeks were about 7,000,000 to 10,000,000 according to many prominent European historians (Raciman for example, the most prominent Byzantine scholar) in a population of around 55,000,000 in all the Roman Empire (The largest population of a single nation at that time within the borders of the Roman Empire). where did they all go? did they evaporate? Probably not ha ha!!.. So ... maybe a lot of people in your area are most likely Greeks.. who have lost their language and their Greek conscience ... this is the truth. You also do not know how the Arvanites came here in Greece...So I will tell you: the Paleologi brought them to renew the population around the 14th century. why did Paleologi do that? because they (Arvanites) were a dynamic element of Byzantium and did not differ from the Greeks of that time at all… neither in habits nor even in clothes (foustanella). There were about 10000 families and they settled among Greeks, so Greeks and the newcomers neighbours became bilingual after communicating, getting married and having the same religion.. they even shared the same churches and villages. they were all 10000 famillies in population. There are books (Sarantos Kargakos: Arvanites Albanians and Greeks and other books..i can write the title if you want) that prove that the Arvanites were of Greek origin from Arvanon…but that is not the point. what you do not answer is that if you are Illyrian then there are researches that prove you are Dorians (Lucas Bellos in his books proves it) there are also studies (Lucas Bellos again and others) that prove that Albanian language has words and structure that show that it is a Doric dialect ... that is, a part of Greek ) You stand on 10,000 medieval families in an area that was culturally and spiritually united that were bilingual because you want to support that the whole Peloponnese is full of Albanians which is a lie…and you know that for 1800 years and maybe more, Albanians and Greeks were part of the same state (Byzantium) and had (and have even today) the same culture. I take out the Islamic period (I do not say Turkish because it was Islamic conquest at first) because in that era a lot of Albanians and Greeks became Muslims and they lost their roots. You say nothing about this Doric origin of the Illyrians. You have not read about the evidence that says that the Arvanites were Greeks by origin like many others in your homeland who have forgotten the Greek language. language is not the only criterion of nationality. My relatives are in Canada and we speak English to communicate because they do not know a word of Greek, this does not mean that they are not Greeks. and who tells you that you have a bad reputation here in Greece? Most Albanians have joined the Greek community and feel that they are like Greeks today, especially those of the second and third generation. My son has friends who are second and third generation Albanians and there is no problem at all !!! What you write is a complex that you carried for no reason, (so take it easy !!!! my friend) at least in our days. to say that we Greeks have a problem with the Turks (Islamized Byzantines who killed our ancestors and looted our property - and not all Turks but mainly the upper class..the class of ottomans) .. I can accept that but nothing more In conclusion: It is good to read History not written by Greeks (for not to say that it is propaganda) but by distinguished historians from Europe and America τto have a more accurate opinion
@@mks5756 I don't have to read all this crap man...cmon now. Really 10 million Greeks?? So you are saying that the Greek population has barely changes since 200BC?? Lol On top of that you provide a few references, mostly from Greek writers, who are strictly biased, to tell me about the Arbanite origin? I don't need thar crap...that's strictly propaganda and if you have been brainwashed to believe that, then I am really sorry about that. I don't have the time and patience to change your beliefs here in TH-cam.
@@ardip.6930 I mention some authors but you, as I observe, do not mention any. all that you say you take out of your mind. Like Εleni Kocaki ha ha ha!!!! that great scientist of youtube !!!! Is Ranciman the greatest Byzantinologist scholar a Greek???!!! Oh my God you are completely ignorant!!! everything I said .... have been taken by modern scientists (not all of them Greeks as you will see) from the ancient texts of Herodotus Strabon etc ...I can write them (these ancient writers) in a list one by one if you want but I am sure that you will not read the list because you are biased against Greek culture I do not think you have any university education… after what you say. Ι think you are illiterate and uneducated. The Greeks had colonies since the 9th century BC and had about 5000 cities of Greek culture throughout the Mediterranean. (this is written by VALERIO MASSIMO MANFREDI!!!! He studied classical literature at the University of Bologna and specialized in the Topography of the Ancient World ... he is a prominent Italian scholar !! he writes what i say.... in his book: Greeks and west! wake up! !!! open that book and read it!!!)(5000 x 2000=10.000.000 if i know arithmetic. I think!!!) many Greeks throughout the Mediterranean have lost their identity over the centuries due to conquests by other peoples. Ancient Corinth had a population of 500,000 in 450 BC(ου παντος πλειν εις κορινθος) Ancient Athens had the same numbers. National Geographic listed Athens and Corinth as the most populous cities in the world in the classical era when they were at the peak of their development. is national Geographic Greek propaganda? fortunately 1.500.000+ of your compatriots who live and study at universities in Greece are of a completely different opinion of your's. if you can understand the Greek language watch this video th-cam.com/video/szXaBeaDmyI/w-d-xo.html it mentions a lot of ANCIENT WRITERS (not modern Greeks writers!!!! )who say the Arvanites and illirians are of Greek origin. Your compatriots have translate in Albanian it… I think we don't know if modern Albanians are illiyrians or from kaukasos mountain
This is a ridiculous argument and the fact of the matter is that, in spite of the mental gymnastics these pseudo-historians do, Arvanite speak a language that is unintelligible to modern Greek and it only proves one thing, that the definition of "greek" is not based on ethnicity but rather the national and religious consciousness/identity. Which is completely stupid and hypocritical as it is the same argument that is used by the Slavo-Macedonians to link them to antiquity.
@@hellenicsouliote2700 you can study Albanian History and Language search Albanologie! Don’t use Albanian name’s because you are more related to Slavic and Anatolia asia Greeks then real Arvanite/Greeks
Kleodeus : Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language. So tell us something about Africa , Asia or Mongolia were Gipsys are from but in Balkan peninsula we was hir wen time begin and we will be hir wen its end. How cut be Arvanitas Greek past Seculi they still speak the Mother language the Divine Language of Lord so you dirty Greeks can tell us something about Egypt , Africa but about Balkan Peninsula not : Theodor Momsen : The survivors of the Ilyrians are the Albanians. Kelly Miller : The Balkan battelfield is exactly the center of world History. Wadham Peacok : The mann who marched to Babylon Persia and India were the ancestors of the Albanians. Nikolla Jorga : The Albanians people together and the Basques one are the oldest5 in Europe. Joseph Salinger : The Epirotic lamguage of the past is the Albanian language of Today. Branislav Nusic : The Albanians are indigenious who during all the agitations managed to save their charachter and even emphasized it.They resisted on Romans attacks and surrived the slavic migrations. Edith Durham They are strewen with the wreckage of dead Empires past powers only the Albanian gos on forever. Robert Gordon Latham : Macedonia and Thracia were Albanian / Skipetar.Franz Bopp : Albanian is the oldest indoeuropean language. Alphons de Lamartine : Albanians this nation and this people can not be mocked .This is the Landd of Heros of all time .Homer found there Achilles the Greeks the Alexander the Great.Turks found Scanderbeg people these of the same racethe same Blood.Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to the Nations who are older then the History.and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in trhe Troy War,ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians. Edwin Pears : Albanians are the Descendants of the oldest race in the Balkanic Peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language means pure Gols.Maximilian Lambretz : The tru History of the Humanity will be written only when it will be written with participation of Albanians.Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkans found there the Albanians who under their preasure Slavs retreated southward and to most mountains Areass. Edwin Jacues : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessnes sonns,were warriorrs of the Albania ethnic.Amcestors of Achilles , Philip II,Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus.Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanian derives from Ilyrians and the Ilyrians from Pelasgien one. Henri Barisford : In Macedonia Albanians are the only indigenous people.General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races.Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe.Herbert David : Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, and they are the gods of the mountains from very ancient times. They are the descendants of the ancient Pellazgia, no other race has a valid claim to the territories of the Albanians. Lord Byron : Albanians with their costums make a most wonderful scenery in the world. Albanians are the mostr beautiful human race exists courages, stronger than their strongholds. Konstandin Paparigopuolos : Only the Albanians are considered descendants of the Ilyrian Race. Gustav Meyer Albanians are the young Ilyrians and the Ilyrians are the Descendannts of Pellazgi. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : If you want to discover the History before Christ and the sciense at that time , you have to learn the Albanian language. Strabo : Betwen Grece , Thrace and Danube are the Tribes of Epirots , Macedonians and Ilyrians. John Wilkes The lands betwenn Adriatic and Danube were inhabited by a people called Ilyrian. When the Albanian language will be well studied and when its oral traditions will be exhumed, then many of Homers works will be revisited and some of them will need to be corrected. Herodotus had no idea that the names of the Heroes of Homers work were clearly in the Pelasgien language.Even Homers own name can be tracked back to the Albanian language : Good and in the form Imiros means good poetry. In the Albanian language it is : Agamenon , He - ge-mendon, he who thinks , Ajax that Bloodsucker ,bloodsucker: Priamos , Mothers Son,mothers son and with an ironicmeaning Son of the Earth, of the Country: Achilles , of heaven one descended from heaven: Odyseus of the Road the traveler the one who walks: Ithaka, i thak - idhnak: Droilos,Droili (os) one who fears,a coward .Many more could be added to this list. Its is not suprising if people who have studied the Albanian language say that this is the original language of Homer and that the Greeks took from the Pelasgien poets most of the songs of valor and heroicones. They built big walls that are called cyclopean and for which Prof.Pokok says they were built long before Homers Greeks existed.From this strong prehistoric race only the Albanians remained.Only later was it realized that the Pelasgien were the old Ilyrians ,the first Indo-European branch, whose empire stretched from Asia minor to the Adriatic and from the North to the Danube.From the studies of young writers,like Proff. Max Mueller and Proff, POT, in the Albanian language this origin became stable. Thesse Ilyrians who still live in Albanian as Toska, Toscana,Etruscan.It is in vain to look for the gods of Grece in the etymology of her language. In the Albanian language these are very clear and their meanings are very correct. Gor example , Chaos emptiness, space Erebus,son of Chaos, is er-het-os, made dark: Uranos is I-Vran-os, that is, the fairy of the clodus, the Clodus: Zeus, Zaa,Zee,Zoot-God,voice of lighting: Athena is the Spoken , by speaking the word: Nemesis,nemes,that is, nam,Devils call: Muse,Mosois,is the Teacher:Venus meansclose to the day,the dawn. George Fred Williams wrote in 1914 : If we go back to prehistory, before the Homeric rhapsodes were sung to the gods and mythological heroes, before the Greek language was written, there lived a people known as the Pelasgiens. Albanians are the only ones who have come to this day from this powerful prehistoric race.Only in recent years has it been determined that the Pelasgiens were the Ancient Ilyrians.... These Ilyrians aqlso went to Italy under the name Toska, as they are still called in Albania, while in Italy they remained as Toska, Tuscan Etruscan. Albanian was the tru language of Homer, because the Greeks borrowed from the rhapsodist Pelasge their famousepic....Albanian was the mother tounge of Alexander of the Great conquests and and of Pyrrhus of Epirus,one of the greatest generals in History...... It is a tragedy beyond all imagination , that this great and very ancient race should end up in this state, which deserves to be called the Scandal of European Civilization.It is not suprising that the Otoman conquer prohibited any exavation in the Albanian land, which could remeind the people of its former glory.. What a great wealth of knowledge awaist the archeologist when the Albanian land opens the treasure of the History of the Pelasgiens. The origin of Albanians - In prehistoric times , before the poets of Homer sang of their Gods and heroes of fairy tales,before the Greek language was written, there lived a people called the Pelasgians. Even before the Hellenic branch became known in the Mountains of Thesaly, Skodra the chief city of Albania was undoubtedly the capital great Kingdom of Ilyria. Facts about the Origins of the Moderrn Greek State .1. The first King of Grec is the Bavarian Prince Otto 2 The Typical Greek of the time spoke Arvanite a language very cloesly realeted to Albanian so it is a Albanian dialect,3 The national costumes of Greek is the Albanian Fustanela 3 The national Dance of the Greek indepedence is the Albanian Chamiko The Dance of the Chams /Came -a subgroup of Albanians in Greec.4 In the Year 1831 Athens was made up of 8000 houses where most of the Inhabitants were Albanians -Helene Glykatzi-Ahrweiler.5 The majority of Greek soldiers spoke in Albanian to one another Parnassos Magazine. History of The Greek flag in 1822 Grecce adopts this flag its naval ensing. in 1828 in battle of Navarino Britain liberated Grecce from Turks.In 19780same flag becomes Greek national flag. Greek national Flag is British Colonial Blue Ensing Flag. i Think it is inoof Xaxiki if you need still Proofs let me now because they are so many and i will give you a Link you can look maybe you can find your Rots there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey. Reply Reply
@@afrimademi9713 holy fuck I have never seen anyone as autistic as Albanians 💀 please decide. Are Greeks Asian, African or Slav? They can’t be all 3💀 you would expect that they would shut up after losing in Thesprotia 2 v 1 with the help of their Nazi friends out feeling ashamed alone, but, turns out, shame is a feeling intelligent people feel. 💀
But I’m curious about how other Arvanitas including you feel like at heart because our guys may not feel free to announce your origin ....do you feel Albanian or Greek ?
Βασικά, ακόμη και αν τα σχολικά βιβλία έχουν γεμίσει με ψέματα, ο δάσκαλος πρέπει να τα διδάξει στα παιδιά σύμφωνα με τον Γεωργιάδη. Δυστυχώς, οι αρχικοί Αρβανίτες δεν συμφωνούν, δείτε τους παρακάτω. www.greeks-albanians.com/top-greeks-albanians/gr-m-ga-arb/383-1897 www.freeinquiry.gr/articles/erevnes/o-tzavelas-anatinaxe-ton-samoyil/4503.html www.quora.com/profile/Mihalis-Ntinopoulos www.albanianhistory.net/1971_Jochalas/index.html
Εγώ έχω μιλήσει με αρβανίτι ιδιοκτήτης μαγαζιού Μοναστηράκι Μου είπε : και εγώ είμαι αρβανίτις, ίδια ράτσα είμαστε αλλά λόγω τον συμφέρον δεν μιλάμε, άστα... μου λέει... μην ψάχνεις Αυτός ο άνθρωπος ήταν πολύ κοντά στη ΝΔ
Kan rastisur vet ne athin me nje arvanitash te vjeter ne mosh qe me foli me nje shqipe te vjeter por te paster.u habita dhe i thash qe ku ke mesuar kete gjuhe.me tha jam arvanitas por edhe plaka qe kam ne shtepi nuk e di qe un e flas kete gjuhe.e ftova per kafe dhe erdhi.aty kuptova qe te gjith greket e sotcem jan shqiptar por se pranojn se kan frik nga dicka
More, kur do ta perkthejne edhe ne shqip sepse PO flasin per Shqipetaret ne Greqi 😯?? Cfare lloj shteti injorance qe ka vuajtur populli Shqipetar!! Thanks, but we the rest of the other Albanians can't understand this well!! Is it possible that this information be transferred over to the proper Albanian media??
@@user-db8ht2hg9k You Arvanites aren’t typical free-will. Since you say you are living free-will, it’s because you became Greek. If you was like Aristeidis Kollias… you will have difficult to live in Greece.
Urra urra Rrnoft Fara Jon Rrnoft Gluha Arbërore Rrnofshin Trojet tona Po per bes te ZOTIT do te ngrihemi e nuk do te ulemi kurr deri sa malet te behen hi e hiri mal perseri
Arvanitas in 🇬🇷 Arbresh in 🇮🇹 Arbanas in 🇭🇷 🇲🇰🇷🇸🇧🇬are Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 We are Sunit Shehit Ortodox and Katolic but we are albanians i thank the God for that.
Arvanitasit nuk flisin greqisht. Gjuha e tyre ne vitin 1823 ishte Arberisht, e quajtur sot "SHQIP". Kombesia e dikujt percaktohet nga gjuha qe ai/ajo flet. Kombesia e Arvanitasve eshte "Arberore". Jo kombesi greke.
Vetem ne athine jane 2 miljon arvanitas ....te cilet kane frike te flasin Shqip ...kam fol me arvanitas te cilet me shikonin si vella ...por flisnin me ze te ulet ...
I am a Greek who lives in Germany and know many Albanians. I believe that we Greeks have more in common with Albanians than with our neighbors. We can also face the truth and say: Yes, the Arvanites were Albanians, but Orthodox Albanians and fought with the Greeks for the freedom of Greece. I find it very nice. They fought with the Greeks against the Turks as well as against the Muslim Albanians (Turkalbans). The Arvanites have become part of the Greek people. For me, our common Orthodox religion is more important than national affiliation. An Albanian or Turkish Christian is a thousand times closer to me than a Greek who converts to Islam!
Sehr guter Kanal, Bruder! Es freut mich sehr, dass es auch auf albanischer Seite Leute gibt, die die Verwandtschaft und Ähnlichkeit zwischen den beiden Völkern sehen und für eine Versöhnung und Freundschaft kämpfen. Wir haben tatsächlich viel Gemeinsames, nicht nur, was die Physiognomie betrifft. Wenn ich die Gesichter von Leuten auf einer Demonstration in Tirana sehe, meine ich, dass es irgendwo in Athen ist. Beide Völker waren auch als Christen für lange Zeit Teil des byzantinischen Reiches , bis die Türken kamen und vielen Völkern in der Region ihre islamische Religion aufgezwungen hatten. Der Islam war die Ursache für die Konflikte zwischen muslimischen Albanern auf der einen Seite und Christen (Griechen + Arvaniten bzw. orthodoxen Albanern) auf der anderen Seite und der Grund für viele Missverständnisse, die es gab und gibt. Bist du Christ aus Kosovo? Lebst du in Deutschland?
Für mich ist die Religionszugehörigkeit weitaus wichtiger als die Volkszugehörigkeit. Ein Türke, der zum Christentum findet ist mir tausend mal lieber als ein Grieche, der den Islam annimmt.
Die Türken sind ein Vielvölkergemisch aus Griechen, Armeniern, Albanern, Slawen, etc. In einigen Regionen der Türkei, wie in Pontos, leben noch ethnische Griechen, die noch pontisch sprechen. Sie sind ethnische Griechen -den meisten ist es vielleicht bewusst -, aber Moslems und somit unsere Feinde. In diesen Regionen ist der türkische Nationalismus am stärksten. Unsere größten Feinde waren unsere eigenen Leute, die zum Islam übergetreten sind. Die Religion spielte und spielt eine große Rolle. Warum kämpften die christlich-orthodoxen Albaner gegen die muslimischen Albaner? Warum kämpften in Bosnien die Orthodoxen Serben gegen die muslimischen Serben (sog. muslimische Bosniaken)? Warum kämpften die Christen in Libanon gegen die Moslems? Für mich ist ein Grieche, der den Islam annimmt, kein Grieche. Die Religion prägt auch das Wesen der Menschen. Islam und Griechentum sind nicht vereinbar. Ich bin auch der Meinung, dass Islam zu den Albanern nicht passt. Unser Nationalbewusstsein haben wir aufgrund unserer Religion bewahren können. Andernfalls wäre wir alle heute Türken. Dass wir die vielen Fremden auf dem heutigen griechischen Territorium assimilieren konnten verdanken wir unserer Religion und der Kirche. Wir können sehr wohl aus einem Assyrer, Chinesen, oder Georgier einen Griechen machen, wenn er unsere Religion und Kultur angenommen hat. Ali Pascha hat durch seine Handlungen die griechische Revolution indirekt unterstützt, aber sein Hauptziel war nicht nie Befreiung Griechenlands. Ich bin der Meinung, dass Griechen und Albaner die gleiche Abstammung haben.
Es ist erfreulich, dass ca. halbe Million Albaner sich nach 1990 in Griechenland taufen ließen. Darunter auch viele mit muslimischer Herkunft. Es ist auch gut, dass, mit wenigen Ausnahmen, die Albaner keine hartgesottene Moslems sind und viele von ihnen wissen, dass die Religion ihrer Vorfahren das Christentum war. Wegen der Konflikte mit den Serben ist es natürlich schwierig, sich vom Islam zu distanzieren. Ich lese gerade die Bücher "The Albanians: A Modern History", von Miranda Vickers und "Skanderberg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan" von Oliver Jens. Sehr interessant. Jetzt weiß ich auch, warum Skanderberg bei vielen albanischen Moslems nicht beliebt ist. Unter anderem wegen Kruja, als er ihnen nach der Rückeroberung der Stadt nur eine Wahl ließ: entweder zu ihrem christlichen Glauben zurückzukehren, oder das Schwert. Stürzenberger ist mir bekannt und ich schaue oft seine TH-cam-Beiträge. Ein sehr gebildeter und Mutiger Mann.
@@Nikos2000-c6n his ancestors walked from Georgia just like yours walked from Anatolia the only true Greeks were Arvanites and they spoke Albanian like Marko and Konstandin Boçari Kiço Xhavella Antonio Kryeziu and many many others u reek slav malaga, Byzantium is dead and Constantinople is Istanbul cry about it .
its not true that Arvanites Albanians got expelled by muslim Albanians in that case then the People in Albania would have been in war just like the arab nations that kill each other over religion in contrary to that the Albanian religions are married to each other you tell me what other country dos that where Christian and Muslim marry each other and pursue their believe in freedom without force from the other religion you tell me otherwise.
You may be proud Greek but let me tell you one thing, your grandfathers spoke Albanian and carried themselves to Albanian customs. Have a good day malaka 😘
@@bledarkapaj125 arvanites are greeks. If you ever start reading books you will see that. When you stop being sheep you will have life and you will be human
@@mediismaili9305 Μάθε να μην κλέβεις ξένη ιστορία. Έχουμε 5000 χρόνια καταγεγραμμένης ιστορίας στην ευρύτερη περιοχή από τον ισιοδο ακόμη. Ανασκαφές Αρχαίοι ναοι Αρχαίες πόλεις Αρχαίοι τάφοι ανακαλύπτονται μέσα στην Αλβανία, μέσα στην Τουρκία με ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΈΣ ΕΠΙΓΡΑΦΈΣ. Ε Λ Λ Η Ν Ι Κ Ε Σ. Και όχι Αλβανών με πεντακόσια χρόνια ιστορίας. Όλα τα κλέβετε κάντε και καμιά άλλη δουλειά
Hahah you try to confused the public with the religion, just because the arvanites was orthodox doesn't mean that are Greeks, all of them before the indipedenc spoke only albanian they learn the greek after the indipendenc and the toponomy names of the villages im Greece are in Albanian language so stop thinking that we are your enemy cause we are the same we have the same DNA with you and we need to be in very strong together against other enemys like turkey and Russia and Slavs that for century's has done all those thing to divide us and put us and you against each other
Russians, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Arvanities, Northern Macedonians, Vlachs, Montenegrins are Orthodox Christians using Cyrillic alphabet invented by ancient Greeks, except the Ottomans were using Arab alphabet until the year 1924.
@@xhuliododa6052 Albanians christians(Catholic and orthodox) and also Muslims use Latin. This guy the first comment is clearly using religion into race. A bit(or maybe more) fanatic.
Arvanites are orthodox Albanian. When we say greek we just saying orthodox Albanian that’s what greek means. To be greek is to be orthodox Albanian. Greeks and Albanians have the same blood they are just fighting for religion. The ancient rocks found in Greece are nothing more then Roman temples. The greek language is koine language it was recently created.
Αlbanian language is a mixture of greek slav latin armenian mainly turkish words. Ar van ites is a greek and latin word and their origin is dorian . As modern greek and what is written on monuments all around the Mediterranean area you might be difficult to learn yet there are people all over the world that understand what is written in greek. Compare latin to aeolian alphabet. As salam alaicum ( arabs the latest civilized islam tribes) religion in albania?
@UCP92r327xA6qCwKRsbNLcxQ ke te drejt per kete. Sepse kemi qeveritat te kuruptuar qe shesin historin te greket dhe serbet. Dhe ju qe jeni popull i thjesht si un nuk keni faj. Sepse ashtu ju kan mesuar historin ne shkoll. Ja u kan mesuar gabim. Ok file😉
HELLENIK HILLINIK MEANING NAME, ALBANIA HILLI NIK, GREECE ASTERI ENA, INGLES STAR ONE, STAR SYMBOL ANCIENT OF ILLIRIA, ALBANIA HILLI YLLI, GREECE ASTERI, INGLES STAR, ILLIRIK, HILLIRIK, HILLINIK, HELLENIK IS WORD ALBANIA LANGUAGE.
Ai ishte ai qe dilte hapur dhe pranonte origjinen e tij shqiptare. Greqia eshte shtet multietnik, teresisht hibrid. Prandaj ushtron fort asimilim mbi popujt e tjere. Ndryshe nga Italia qe e ka etnicitetin e saj te shtrire dhe nuk rrezikohet nga arbereshet kur ata pranojne origjinen e tyre. Nese shqiptaret kudo neper Ballkan pranojne origjinen e tyre dhe shteti shqiptar i mbron, atehere shteti i Maqesonise, Mali te Zi, gjysma jugore e Serbise dhe Greqia me pjeset e saja veriore dhe kryeqytetin e saj, do te shkriheshin dhe do te shkerrmoqeshin bashke me fabrikacionet e tyre historike.
@@safetsins kam takuar shume shqiptar ne Gjermani por qe e kishin ndryshuar emrin dhe nuk e pranonin qe jane shqiptare nga Boçari ne Botsaris ose nga Shkreli i Malik te Zi ne Skryeli etj.Jemi e keqja e vehtes.
@@ateistalban1948 Eshte turp i madh. E gjithe bota e di qe Bocaret jane shqiptare apo Shkrelet po ashtu. Por edhe shteti malazez apo ai grek ushtron shume shtypje ndaj tyre, duke perdorur kishen. E njejta gje fatkeqesisht edhe te shqiptaret ne Turqi nga ana e shtetin turk, por kete here me te njejten metode, por me xhamite.
Come in Greece and ask all the aravanites if they feel or they want to become albanians. And you will take your answer. You cant tell someone what he feels, HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT HE FEELS LIKE!! And for history now, arvanites were Greek tribes.
If you Ask Arbanian in Greece he will say he is hellen but no Greek. Greeks and ancient hellens have no connection.Arbanians are Albanians by blood and language!!
@@gia4579 Hellens are the Illyrians of southern part in Illyricum!! Greek is word by Albanians and mean leav like a woman. Was dedicate to the people who leaved the battlefilds without fighted. Greek=Gra+ik=Γρα+ίκ=Γραίκ-οι Εllin=El-lin=Il-lir=Illir=Ilir by dialect Cose el-il-yl same and mean the star
@@user-db8ht2hg9k you are not Arvanitas because Arvanitas do not say these words they are pure Albanian blood who are denied the right to speak Albanian I was in Greece and I met with them yesterday they all accept that they are Albanian and speak all the old Albanian language but they dare not declare themselves because of the pressure of the Greek state
@@donidoni7777 You spoke with Albanians but sure not with Arvanites !!! ARVANITES killed Albanians in Peta Souli Arta Messolonghi Karpenisi Dervenakia Tripolitsa Valtetsi Gravia Arachova Alamana Vasilika Nauplio Spetses and under Napoleon Zervas in Chameria !!!! Yeah the truth hurts ;)
@@gianniskatsis1714Quale? La conosciamo bene. A differenza vostra abbiamo cercato in tutti gli archivi europei. Si parla solo di Albanese, niente lingua Greca
Arvanitasit dhe shqiptare janë një kombe kanë një gjuhë dhe një kulturë turket dhe kisha ortodokse ruse i percane shqiptare dhe ju si njini qe jemi një komb
Heeeee. Our grand grand Fathers and mothers tell US this language that we speak in Graecia Grecce was not I repeat was NOT spoken here in Graecia from poleMorea to Konstantinopole and NISUS and Durraso. Our forefathers never head this so called Greek today.! Only Ship Shqip Arvani was spoken here Gegri and toskani. In 4th century roman empire split Greeks in 2 dialects the geg and the tosk, now u know what language was spoken.
@@ritar2913 You are from Poland but you went in Greek school but you have studied in France....Yes a typical Albanian who change her history & belief like WE our underwear XD
Arvanitet have Albanian blood. DESPITE have Greek Nationality. Is Diferent to be Greek with pasport Like German or British...but you may be Chinise. Arvanitet have Albanian language and kulture and Music.
@@user-db8ht2hg9k ..Civilization . has nothing to do with religion..For Albanian is Nationally first. Relegion is always personal choice...like political party.
@@user-db8ht2hg9k Christinaity is not a Greek religion, Paganism is Greek, Christianity is a Jewish one, which you have killed in the past. The Albanian republic has had 4 official religions since foundation, including Orthodox Christianity. There's many Christian Albanians, although the majority is Muslim. No one's saying that you have Albanian national identity, they're saying you're descendants of the Albanian people, that's all, which is true. You can never be real Greeks because there's no blood connection to the ancient ones. No one cares about your fake ass Greek identify, they banned your native tongue Arvanitika, because they hate it, and you lost the only thing that was really yours.
@@gledianlalushllari9577 Leave the Arvanites alone. They spit on you. Hundred years ago you didn't even know what you were and now you speak for others.
@@freddieflunder5963 I think that Greeks confuse Albanian ethnicity with the Albanian republic. If a French guy wants to be Albanian and comes and lives here, he's not Albanian, he's a French minority living in Albania, they have Albanian citizenship, but they're not Albanian, they can't be even if they want, the same as I or you can't be a Slav. Slavs are born so. In Greece, anyone can become Greek as long as they accept Christianity and speak modern Greek, and there's no recognition of any minority. So that's what you're confusing, ethnicity with nationality. So, Arvanites are Albanian who live in Greece and have Greek national identity, but not Greek blood. They have nothing to do with the Albanian republic of 1912.
The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times. The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, unfortunately went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology). During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock. After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed. Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers. The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well. Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them. So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece". Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization. This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in. Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail. It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece"). There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above. One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right. By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today. Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it. Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing. All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them. The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
Arvanites,whatever they were(Albanians or Greeks or mixed),fought for the Greek liberty.Not for the Albanian liberty.The major ship of Bubulina had the name “Agamemnon”and not “Sqiptar liberty”. Btw I have no problem with Albanians.They are good persons.Peace.
Χαχαχαχαχα καμιά σχέση με την Αλβανία δεν έχει η Ελλάδα ούτε οι Αρβανίτες γτ Έλληνες είναι και αυτοί μεγάλε α και ένα λάθος να σε διορθώσω το Κόσοβο είναι της Σερβίας 😉😉😉🇬🇷🇷🇸🇷🇺 🇷🇸=🇽🇰 🔵⚪ORTHODOX BROTHERS
e shqyrton perendia sjelljen e njeriut secili duhet te pergjigjet para zotit = ) zoti i mallkon per mekatet e tyre kunder kombit tane qe kan bere dhe ende bejn ......................zoti i madh na bekoft tungjatjeta
Interesting!! Alphabet!! Not used on the first french order producing an albanian dictionary now on a display in a french museum. 1805 the alphabet was greek
I'm Arvanit and I'm Albanian son
ose je Grek ose Arvanitas.
A jeton ne Greqiii ne cfare vendi jeton?
Labëria Ime love you
Engjell tiii
george Fred Williams wrote in 1914: “Back in prehistory, before the Homeric singers sang to the deities and mythological heroes, before the Greek language was even written, lived a people known as Pelasgians
… Albanians are the only ones who have come so far from this powerful prehistoric race. Only in the recent years has been determined that the Pelasgians were the ancient Illyrians… These Illyrians passed in Italy with the name Tosk, as they are called yet in Albania, while in Italy have remained as Tosk, Tuscan, and Etruscan… Albanian has been the true language of Homer; the Greeks have borrowed it from the Pelasgian rhapsody…
Albanian was the native language of the conquests of the Great Alexander and Pyrrhus of Epirus, one of the greatest generals in history… Herodotus (484-425 BC) imputes the history to the Pelasgians, which these are mentioned much earlier than the Greek civilization; the rough paper covering the sides of the Pantheon in Athens is still called Pelasgian.
They built great walls called cyclopean and for whom Prof. Pokok says that these were built long before the Greeks of Homer existed. From this strong prehistoric race were only Albanians. Only in recent times is explicated that the old Illyrians were Pelasgians, the first Indo-European branch, whose empire spread from Minor Asia to the Adriatic and from the North to the Danube. It is a tragedy beyond any imagination that this great and very ancient race comes to this condition, which deserves to be called the scandal of the European civilization. It is not surprising that the Ottoman conqueror stopped any digging on Albanian soil, which could remind the people its former glory… What great wealth of knowledge awaits the archaeologist when the Albanian land opens the Pelasgians treasures of history? ” From studies of young writers, as Prof. Max Müller and Prof. Pot, this origin became stable through Albanians. It is useless to require the gods of Greece on the etymology of its language. In Albanian these are very clear and their meanings are right. Many more could be added to this list.
These prove that Albanians today are the land of the ancestors and speak the language of their great-grandparents. Even before the Hellenic branch was recognized in the mountains of Thessaly, Shkoder, Albania’s main city, was undoubtedly the magnificent capital of the kingdom of Illyria. When the Albanian language is studied perfectly well and when her oral tradition is exhumed, then many of the works of Homer will be reviewed
Ne Greqi Arvanitasit ishin shtylla e krijimit te shtetit
Say a Turkoalban 😂
@@user-db8ht2hg9k turko albani karit'albanien fuck Türkei,albenia where katolik and litel ortodoks, und Not protekt with pakt rusland, therefore bekam a Muslim,albania realy realy ist 90percent katolik and10 ortodoks,den biger 25jahre the albanian arberor fuck mehmet 2
@@user-db8ht2hg9k When you say turkoalban is because you are mixing religion islam into race. Arvanites are albanians orthodox and by orthodox in your country Greece should be Greek. Dont mix religion into race. If you convert to buddhist... will your face shift to chinese? Of course not, lol.
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi WE CONVERT TO GREEKS and that is your problem ore Turkoalbani....th-cam.com/video/wCMVo3pMxnE/w-d-xo.html
...dhe ne shkopetarine ishin renjat + vdisin per turkomongolotaklamaklanet
I cant believe this is an European country! Where "democracy" is born! It should be an example for all the other countries, not go on with lying about the truth. You cannot escape from the truth, the sooner you acknowledge that, the better. Albania is not the enemy of Greece. Nothing bad will happen if Greece tells the history as it has happened.
They have nothing to do with Old Greece and democracy.
They have stole the history, the state , the nation and the heroes from Albanians.
We have to always consider how all of this started. We cannot take for granted how new nations unfold after an empire or I should say to empires created no borders or boundaries and now when the empire was crumbling all these different people were trying to formations which is an extremely difficult task. The situation is that any borders being formed after such a long history under Empires will not be perfect and there will be conflict.
The Greeks and the Albanian of the villages and the mountains did not have national awareness. The Albanian elite and the Greek elite of Asia minor had a better understanding of that because in those days they were no public library‘s and the villagers and people living in the mountains did not have access to history other than what they heard from their neighbors or family members.
Once the nation started forming the national awareness started coming about the problem was that everybody had a claim of some land because the people moved and mingled and mixed. When Greece was formed it was trying to form it’s ancient land because that’s what they had known last prior to Rome taking over and then the Ottomans.
No forming a nation while trying to separate from an empire that you’re part of for 400 years is difficult because even identity can get a little blurry. Greeks were becoming Muslim Albanians were becoming Muslim the word Muslim didn’t really get used only the word Turk and since a Turk was Muslim that means a convert was a Turk. These are things that don’t make sense to us today because we have a different idea of nationality and heritage and we have history books and genetics and all these tools to understand better.
And if you look at places like even Germany or other European and Asian and many many other nations you will see that they assimilated people. Assimilating happens naturally. You do not have to force assimilation but in certain times you didn’t want to speed it up because any new nation or group outside of yours could utilize some of your people and try to take over and annex your land with the reason being that is there a people live there. No one was really wrong no one was really right. The fact is trying to make some thing like this Stick is not easy so assimilation was a big part mainly due to the fear that any Islam converts would sign up with the Ottomans even if they didn’t believe in Islam just so they can get paid and that’s what happened. The Muslim Albanian did take payments from the Ottoman as mercenaries to attack the new Greek state. Orthodox Albanian or is there a better known as Arvanites were the one fighting them. This created a little bit of a problem as far as generalize talk of who’s on who’s side. That was not dropped by the government because it also helped the government keep this issue alive so that the people within the new formed Greek state would not attach themselves to any group outside of it and therefore it would not create a reason for annexation or any type of loss of land. The same thing happen with the new formation of turkey in it byzantine population and that’s where the spear has originated from.
And today however this threat no longer exist other than in the media. We are currently in the transition between the mindset of back then to the modern mindset. The only issue we have to overcome others is the issue of in Sausalito is something that might have been two years ago is that one group is totally innocent and the other one is not. The truth is that a boat groups did things to provoke one another and harmed one another. We should realize that we both come from the same Paleo Balkan group and we have more things in common then not. So let’s take our common background and regroup.
@@stopinjorances2222 Do you like Kolokotronis 🦅🇬🇷🦅 He punished Albanians...or Karaiskakis 🦅🇬🇷🦅he also punished Albanians...And what is with Napoleon Zervas our great Souliote Hero 🦅🇬🇷🦅
@@user-db8ht2hg9k You are a fool, haha. Read more before you talking with meaningless.
Is it a lie that you were allied with the Nazis and Ottomans?
Is it a lie that Ali Pasha was Albanian?
Is it a lie that botsaris died fighting Ali pasha, Slaughtering thousands of Albanians in Ioannina?
Is it a lie that the Ottoman Empire gave control of the Thesprotia region to then Ottoman Albanians which then you lost it after our Souliots launched their attack?
Is it a lie that in 1943 you tried to invade with the Italian and Belgian AXIS and you were literally defeated and you cry ''Chamouria'' almost a century later?
Is it a lie that in 1997 we rescued 500 THOUSAND of you from Albania, in Durres (Previously knows as Dyraxion, which we gave you in 1912 to become a whole country with places such as Argirokastro, Tepeleni, Avlona and so on) and to thank us, you are now claiming parts of our history, trying to even claim OUR alphabet is yours?
Fuck off dirty rat. We get it you want a hero identity, however the fact is that you were the cucks of Balkans, trying to get carried from the Ottomans and the Nazis.
Nese do ishin grek nuk do quheshin Arvanitas por Elines!
Erick Castro , perpara pavarsise se greqise , eshte e veshtire te gjesh Grek etnike pervec Tsakoneve te cilet jetonin ne zonat malore te Peloponezit. Tsakonet flisnin gjuhe te ndryshme nga greqishtja e sotme e cila u implemetua pas pavaresise neper shkolla
Po te ishin sqiptare do luftonin per pavaresine e shqiperise, po ata luftuan per pavarasine e greaise vetem ajo i ben greke
@@nitro-ww6sk vëlla nuk e ke lexuar mirë. . Këtë e thonë grekët! Istoria e vërtetë po tregon se ai shtete ka fshehur gjithçka deri me sot! Ngadalë do dalin të gjitha se nga vrasjet që kan bere ndaj arvanitasve kockat skan rënë të qeta dhe ndaj një ditë do dali e vërteta. ..
@@nitro-ww6sk Po kur nuk luftonin vete Shqiptaret e Shqiperise si do luftonin Shqiparet e Greqise . Ata as greqishte nuk dinin jo me te kishin ndo1 ndergjegje Greke
No more Greek bullshit for the Albanian arvati from the Greeks. Dhune, dhune vetem dhune edhe diskriminacion per Shqipetaret ka qene Greku. Albanians say stop to them, from now on. When, are they going to be right to you, for being Albanian??
A state should be right with the history and tell the truth even when the truth hurts. Then if it tells only the true history God will bless this nation. Peace and love of Jesus be to my Greek brothers with you, from arvan brother in Shqiperia.
rrnoft ILLYRIA e lashtë. rrnoft Kombi ShqipëFolës...
Ti do jesh na nje bythqir i shkerdhyer dhe i perdhunuar maleve te epirit nga iliret
+Frikin Ninja o mik jan ne dalmaci e siper te gjith Jan te ardhur ne shekullin e 9 mos u lodh kot
ne dalmaci Jan asimilu me zor
na sill ndonje prove qe sllavet kroate e sllovene qenkan me te afert me iliret...kaq injorante jeni dhe nuk kuptoni qe emri ilir ka kuptim vetem ne shqip dhe jemi ne shqiptaret qe flasim kete gjuhe...qenkan kroatet ilire e ne shqiptaret nuk kemi prova ...propaganda Beogradi
Frikin Ninja
Kush te tha ty mor idiot se nuk ja prova ?
@@klmsps5576 na cave trapin me mitologjine e grekeve. O idiot o mjeran o plere ne kemi flamur mbi 600 vjecare, kemi histori, kemi arkeologji, cfare na cani karin me mongolet greke, 200 vjet history mund te deklarojne para 1821 greket skane fakte. Te pakten kta qe quajne veten greke sot skane lidhje me greqine para 1821, mitologjia e sotme ska fakte thjesht sajesa e trillime prandaj jane ne hall se skane cte tregojne, hajde kris bythen plere e trushplare
Rrnoft Fara Jon e Ari‘t
Rrnoft Gluha Arbërore
Rrnofshin Trojet tona
Po Afron Dita e bukur e Arbëris o Grek te Ri!
Do ta mesoni Historin nga filimi😉
Come and get Epirus 🦅🇬🇷🦅 if you can with your 19 old Jets....0 Navy..and 200 old Tanks... WE 🦅🇬🇷🦅 are waiting since 1913 🤣
@@user-db8ht2hg9k γαμησε τα ρε αδερφε πολύ ανιστόρητος λαός πολύ όμως γαμησε τα φίλε πολύ πισω ο κόσμος !!!!!
@@user-db8ht2hg9k We are gonna take weather you like it or not. Maybe not now or in 20 years. But be sure you will see Ethnic Albania all in one state
@@romeohushi5711 Albanian dreams
There is 2 Albanian states in the Balkans, there’s Macedonia where Albanians are gonna be majority in next 20 years, Montenegro where there’s already an Albanian as Prime Minister (Dritan Abazovic)… Not talking about the Albanians who are taking relevant positions in Greece
Noi siamo più europei dei europei l'unico stato che abbiamo 3 religioni che vano d'accordo .più i minoriteti hanno tutti i diritti e scuole noi siamo un esempio in tutto il mondo siamo sempre stati dal antichità.sono orgoglioso di essere albanese viva l'Albania e tutti gli albanesi al mondo
"The truth is coming..."
Mjafton gjuha shqipe si deshmi ,e cila deshifron te gjitha gjuhet idoeuropiane.Shqipja eshte gjuha ne te cilen qdo germe ka kuptim.
@@Greg-cf4mm
Μίλησε και ο Μπαοκ ρε μαλακεςςςςς 😂
@@illyrian3949 Ρε δεν αφήνετε τα καραγκιοζιλίκια;
Να τα βρείτε με τους Σκοπιανούς και τους Βούλγαρους, γιατί από τρεις διαφορετικές πλευρές ακούμε να αμφισβητείτε την ιστορία μας και να προσεταιρίζεστε όλοι τα ίδια πράγματα!
Άντε σταματήστε τις βλακείες και βρείτε δική σας ιστορία - αν έχετε!
Κατά αρχήν καμμία σχέση δεν έχετε με τους Ιλλυρίους και το ξέρετε!
Δεύτερον επί Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας οι μεταβάσεις πληθυσμών ήταν συχνές!
Όπως είναι φυσικό, πολλοί Έλληνες έφυγαν από την Ελλάδα και πολλοί Αλβανοί έφυγαν από την Αλβανία!
Εσείς προσπαθείτε τελείως ηλίθια να μας πείσετε ότι οι περισσότεροι από τους Αγωνιστές της Ελλάδας ήταν Αλβανοί!
Με την ίδια λογική τότε, αν και 'μεις κάνουμε το ίδιο, ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΣΗΜΕΡΙΝΑ ΔΕΔΟΜΕΝΑ μπορούμε να επικαλεστούμε τους Αλβανούς πολίτες Ελληνικής καταγωγής και να σας πούμε ότι δεν υπάρχουν Αλβανοί και είστε όλοι Έλληνες! Μειώστε τις βλακείες που λέτε, γιατί η ιστορία πάει χέρι - χέρι με την αρχαιολογία! Και απ' αυτή την άποψη το ελληνικό φύλλο είναι αποδεδειγμένα αυτόχθον. Το μαρτυρεί η αρχιτεκτονική, το μαρτυρούν και οι τέχνες με τις επιστήμες που υπήρχαν στη περιοχή την ίδια εποχή που οι προγονοί σου ζούσαν σε λαγούμια χωρίς γραφή και έτρωγαν ωμό κρέας! Το μαρτυρούν και οι πάμπολλες ελληνικές λέξεις στα αλβανικά οι οποίες συνθετικά - ετυμολογικά, δε σημαίνουν τίποτα στην Αλβανική γλώσσα!
Για παράδειγμα
" Γυναίκα", "Αργυρόκαστρο" που το κάνατε " Τζιροκάστρο", λες και είναι κάνα σουβλάκι, " Αυλώνας" που το κάνατε " Βλιόρα" και τόσα άλλα!
Μέχρι και τον Όμηρο πήγατε να βγάλετε Αλβανό, αλλά πρέπει να τα βρείτε στο θέμμα αυτό με τους φίλους σας τους Τούρκους που ο ψυχοπαθής πελάτης των τρελοκομείων που κάνατε πρωθυπουργό, πούλησε τους κώλους σας!
Αυτοί ισχυρίζονται ότι είναι τουρκος!
Στην Αλβανία υπήρχαν αρχαίες ελληνικές πόλεις και οι αρχαιολογικές σκαπάνες αναδυκνύουν ελληνική αρχιτεκτονική! Το ότι είναι ελληνικές αναφέρεται και από το Θουκυδίδη και από τον Αρίσταρχο!
Το αν υπήρχαν Αλβανοί που έλαβαν μέρος στον απελευθερωτικό αγώνα της Ελλάδας είναι ένα θέμα!
Οι κοτσάνες όμως που πετάτε προσπαθώντας να κλέψετε ιστορία, είναι άλλο!
Ποιος ήταν ο Σκεντέρμπεης;
Για πες μας;
Ξέρεις πολύ καλά έτσι;
Είναι λογικό, αφού στην ιστορία σας δεν έχετε ούτε μια νίκη και πάντα σκύβετε το κεφάλι στο δυνατότερο, να προσπαθείτε να κλέψετε απ' αυτούς που έχουν!
Τραβάτε κατα Ιταλία μεριά γιατί εδώ έχετε πολλούς ανταγωνιστές στο κλέψιμο ιστορίας και είναι πιο δυνατοί από σας! Θα φάτε πάλι φαπες!
Μη πάτε όμως στη κάτω Ιταλία, γιατί και κει με Έλληνες θα μπλέξετε...:)))
Όσο για τα δάνεια της Ελλάδας, καλλίτερα να κλείσεις το στόμα σου γιατί γίνεσαι γελοίος! Να σέβεσαι στους απογόνους αυτών που κατέβασαν τη γιαγιά σου από τα δέντρα την έμαθαν να περπατάει στα δυό πόδια, να ξεφλουδίζει τις μπανάνες πριν τις φάει και της έδωσαν γραφή!!!!
Α, συγνώμη, ξέχασα.....
Μπανάνες είδες αφού ήρθες στην Ελλάδα.....Όπως και έγχρωμη τηλεόραση, ηλεκτρισμό, και ψυγείο με δύο πόρτες που δε δουλεύει με πάγο!
Πριν από αυτό, όταν ο άλλος ψυχοπαθής σα πήδηξε με τις Πυρμιδε;, σας στέλναμε ρύζι και πορτοκάλια για να μη πεθάνετε της πείνας και ερχόσασταν στην Ελλάδα για δουλειά.
Μη προσπαθείς να πείσεις έναν Έλληνα ότι κατάγεται από μια ράτσα που μέχρι τον εικοστό αιώνα εκτός από γαϊδούρια και πολυβολεία δεν είχε δει τιποτ' άλλο!
Μη κάνεις ποτέ πια, αυτό το λάθος!
Γίνεσαι γελοίος!
@@illyrian3949 Α, και που 'σαι, μη ξεχάσω.....
Γκροτέσκο είναι να μιλάει για κλέφτες, ένας Αλβανός!
Αλβανός να αποκαλεί τους άλλους,κλέφτες;
Αχαχαχαααααχαχαααααα!!!
Το ανέκδοτο του αιώνα!
Αχαχαχααααααααα!!!
@@illyrian3949 αμα δεν σεβεσαι τη χωρα που σου εδωσε ψωμι να μην ξαναπατησεις ποτε το ποδι σου εδω. Εγω προσωπικά θεμα με Αλβανους δεν εχω αλλα ο σεβασμος πρεπει να ειναι αμφιδρομος. Και αυτα τα "η αληθεια ερχεται" τι ειναι απειλές; Θα ερθεις να μας κανεις ντα;
Iliret kombi ma i vjeter ne europē
She ti je ilire directe pa asnje pike gjaku mongolotaklamaklane asiatike? E ke pare gruan e berishis cfare sy ka?
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@@user-wy7em9fm2c TERRORRISTI ORTODOX i ANADOLLIT (grek ortodox), shikoje marreveshjen e LUZANES prej nga vijnë grekët
My Albanian pride I will not hide.
My Pelasgian ancestors I will not disgrace.
My illyrian blood flows hot and true.
My Albanian people I will stand by you.
Through thick and thin till the day we die,
our Albanian flag WILL ALWAYS FLY HIGH
thats why greek is a fake country, because you hang on on orthodox religion. Is there a muslim greek?
no you know shit...there is no such thing as orthodox Turks you idiot,a muslim could never convert to being christian.Yeah greeks were converted to islam but they were no longer considered greek but traitors and no one would see them as greeks anymore they became turks..unlike you that you seem to love traitors
Power Greed I ´m an albanian from fyrom and I ´ am atheist just 10 % of albanian go to mosque ......
Pelasgus Pelasgian Pellazgian and Fuck Greece
Pelasgians lived in the hellenic area and were the protohellenes. ane are mentioned by Hellenic writers, not by albanians !! that time you did not existed.. History noticed you as shepherds.. nothing else...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians
Albanian language, the language of the goddess
No sir Albanian language you can translate everything !
Sir just for one example you know the wort kuzine in France or in Italia ?
Can you translate this in France or in Italian or in a another language ?this is just 1 from 500 words sir !
Very funny, goddetss and shqipe language ????
Keep on dreaming.
Света Лула Ancient Greeks were Albanians 🇦🇱 PROOF --->
Olympia = O Lumt Shpia = Glories House Aphrodite = Afer Dita = Near Day / Dawn Hera = Era = Wind Apollo = Apelon = Appeal Rhea = Reja = Clouds Zeus = Zot = God Pegasus = Prej nga Zeus = Comes from God Ares = Are = Field Demeter = Dimer = Winter Hestia = Vjeshta = Autumn Primavera/ Minerva = Pran Vera = Spring Poseidon = Posedon = Owns Triton = Driton = Light Up Thetis = Deti = Sea Fortuna = Furtuna = Storm Kronos = Krijoj = Create Amalthea = Tamel Dhia = Goat Milk Adamanthea = At Te Man Dhia = The Goat Should Keep Him Hephaestus = Sefa e Shtus = Joy and Rise Alexander = Aj Le Si Ander = Born Like a Dream Cleopatra = Ka Le E Para = First To Be Born Archimedes = Ar Ki M Des = Gold you will Die Hippocrates = Hapi Krahet = Spread your Wings Herodotus = Era e Dites = Day Wind Aristotle = Ari Do Te Le = Gold Shall He Born Paris = Parajse = Paradise Pericles = Pari ka le = First Born Asclepius = Aj Se ka Le Pi Ujt = He who has born from the Waters Achilles = I Quillit /Ne Quill Le = From The Sky /Born in the Sky Hercules = Hekur Les = Born Iron Troy = Troja = Place or Land of Origin/Roots Medusa = Me Dy Sy --> With 2 Eyes Pandora = Pun Dore = Hand Made Odyssey = Udhetues = Travel /Traveler The letter DH did not exist in the Roman Aphabet so they changed the word just like Dhompir = (Drink With Teeth) they change it to Vampire Ajax = Gjak / Ne Gjak = Blood / Blood Feud Oracles of Pythia = Ore ku Len Pytje = There where you ask a Question Delphi = Selvi/Selvije = A Beauty Together it says = There where you ask the Beauty a question
Alexander the Great Soldiers, that settled in Pakistan for more then 2000 years are Called
Hunza = Hunda = Nose
Burushi= Burrash or Burr = Men
Pamiri = Pamja Mir = Good Looking
Kalashi = Kala or Kali = Castle or Horse.
Alexander the Great Named Most Mountain in Asia
Tirisch Mir = Ti Rish Mir = You stay Well
Rakaposhi = Ra ka Poshte = Falls Downwards
Torabora = Tu Ra Bora = Snow is Falling
Stok Kangri = Sa Toke ka Ngri = So much Land is Frozen
Bubli Motin = Bubullime Moti = Thunder Weather
Ka ra Buura = Ka ra Bora = Snow has Fallen
Diran = Durron / Dy Ren = Two Turns / Withstand
Shpartans King List Names Translation into Albanian
Sparta = Shpata = Sword
Lycurgus = Ligji = Law
Agis = Aga = Elder
Theopupos = Dhe I Popullt = Nation Land
Doryssos = Durojesh = Withstand
Damaratos = Te Meriton = You Deserve
Klenymos = Ka Le Ndimues = Born a Helper
Cleombrotos = Ka Le Mbrojte = Born a Shild / Born Protective
Kleodaios = Ka Le I Dijes = Born All Knowing
Alcamenas = Aj Ka Menas = He has a Mind
Eurykratos = U rritch Krye or Krahet = Grow Headed or Grow Big Shouldred
Eurypon = U rritch Pun = Grow Harworking
Eurysthenes = U rritsch sa te Hene = May you grow to the Moon
Eurydamedas = U riritch sa me dit = Grow until you Know
Pausanias = Pasunia = Wealthy
Hippocratidas = Hapi Krahet = Spread you Wings
Hippomendon = Hapi Mended = Think Wise
Ariston = Arrituar = Reach Success
Labotas = Sa Bota = Big as Earth
Anaxadritas = I Ngjan Drites = Resemble The Light
Anaxilaos = I Ngjan Yjet = Resemble The Stars
Anaxandros = I Ngan Andres = Resemble a Dream
Anaxidamos = I Ngan Demit = Resemble a Bull
Zeuxidamus = Zerin Si Demi = Voice of a Bull
Arehidamus = Aj Rrehet Si Demi = He Fights Like a Bull
Menares = Menare = Wise
Polydoros = Fol I Dores = Speaks Profiency
Echestratos = Udhes Drejtes = Lead Straight
Nikomedes = Nje Kombit = One Nation
Randon Italien Cities Names Translation into Albanians
Italy / Viteli = Ve Dielli = Place of Sun or Sunny Place
Calabria = Kala Briri = Casle of Horns or Horn Caste
Rome = Rromullak = Round ( couse all Buldings were build in a Circle Shape )
Sicily = In the east the Siculi, or Sicels, who gave their name to the Island but were reputed to be latecomers from Italy; to the west of the Gelaes River, the Sicani; and in the extreme west the Elymians , a people to whom a Trojan origin.
Siculi = Sikur Ylli = The the Star
Sicani = Sikur Hana = Like the Moon
Elymians = Ylli Mi Hanes = Star above the Monn ( Like Illuminati, but that says: Ylli Mi Nat = Star above the Night )
And also Julius Ceasar says: Je Ylli = You are a Star , Ca es ar says: Ky esht Ar = He is Gold
As a History Lover im Disappointed I have been tought the wrong History all this time. And how many more Albanians have to live in the dark believing its all Greek .. Arvanites: Live in Greece for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arbëreshë: Live in Italy for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arnavut: Live in Turkey for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Alexander’s Hunza ,Kalash , Pamir , Tokhari people: Live in Asia for thousands of years, and use Albanians words 🇦🇱 Where are the Greek Speakers, that settled somewhere in the World, for thousands of years, and speak Ancient Greek ????? WAKE UP People !!! ANCIENT GREECE SPOKE ALBANIAN!!
@ancient_albania Instagramaoougdecgh
@@dalina25
Maybe your history books are wet.
Put a new naulon ...
Your country products only hasish and whores ...
We have 5000 years of writen history, teaching all over the world at the biggest universities....
Don't take greek words, because the meanings you gave are extremely wrong.
Learn ancient Greek language first.
Try a greek historical,put away these wet books of hotza.
Ψωναρουες..
arbreshet jiane prova reale
FUND
Shume e vertet, vetem Arbereshet qe nuk dine asnje fjale greqisht, aprovojne kush jane Arvanitet.
Magna Greecia
@@Vladimir-Alb kush tha qe sdin shumica e tyre Magna Greecia thon
@@vangjelpapa4317 asnjeri nuk thot magna grecia. Dijne fjale greqisht po fjale te vjetra qe dhe tosket u perdorin. Psh fjala Gjitone. Po shume pak pjesa tjtr eshte 70%shqip 28%siciliane/kalabreze.
@@denissaliaj9459 po per ju edhe .inoritetet ne shqipri jan fallco vetem ju jeni aftokton pavarsisht qe para 100vjetesh as alfabet skishit akoma jetoni me propaganden komuniste
Arvanitas normal qe jane shqiptar kjo eshte turp te diskutohet.
Te rrojne arvanitasit... Mbase I detyrojne te thone qe jeni geek... Por e dine shume mire qe jane gjak shqiptari... Ta dini se jeni vllezerit tane... Dhe nuk ju hedhim poshte.. Te beni kujdes nga greket e qelbur
Po Kochovaret, cfare Jane? Gjake shkopetari ose gjake mongolotaklamaklane?
Arvanites is albanian and vlah is romanian
And you are Turkoalbani Islami
@@user-db8ht2hg9k You are also turkalbani when you are arvanites since arvanites are albanians, lol
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi Hahahhaa my grandfathers were soldiers under Napoleon Zervas...do you understand Gim from North Monkeydonia 🇲🇰
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@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi Arvanitas greatest dream was always to be Greeks and the Albanians biggest dream were to be Turks...you come from North Monkeydonia...and the biggest dream for yugoslavians was to be Mecedonians.....all those pathetic countries need Greek history....1+1=2...2+2=4...4+4=8...etc
Vlachs are romanized Albanians
Jemi nje Arvanites Arberesh Arnahute flasim te njejten gjuhe
To sort it out:
Arvanites = Arbëreshë = Albanians
Ca thuaa albanitasi jane puro shqiptare une kame soj ne Greqi qe jane Albanitas dhe jane puro shqiptare
Jane me shqipetare nga shkopetaret e shkopetarise!!
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Me pelqejne njerzit qe nuk friksohen per te verteten dhe te verteten per te ardhem e femijve familjeve te tyre ane e mbane botes
Viva i arvanites tutti fratelli siamo con arberesh ciao
I greci e lo stato greco deve mettere l'anima in pace ,Siamo la stessa gente ,viva gli greci antichi viva l'Albania ❤
viva juve hahaha
Dua te dal nga diskutimi dhe te pergezoj te tre te ata qe po diskutonin pasi treguan nje kulture shume te madhe dhe respektim te njeri tjetrit ne diskutim, pa perdorur tone te renda dhe fjale ofenduese sic ndodh shpesh neper studiot shqiptare apo pa i folur siper kolegut apo nderprer ate. Duam apo nuk duam, kemi shume per te mesuar nga greqia mbi kulturen baze civile.
Deputeti ishte tendencioz , thonte se historine duhet ta percaktojne politikane e jo historianet
@agronmerovci731 Georgiadis eshte rrobt kari, tashme është Minister e Punës e ka kaluar një ligj që detyron njerëzit të punojnë 13 orë në ditë, ky ligj do vin në fuqi nga fillimi i vitit 2024.
Kur e verteta ste pelqen se shteti prej kartoni mund te shperbehet si keshtjelle rere
Albanesi e greci sono fratelli prima lo accettate meglio e per i vostri figli perche non volete conoscere la vostra storia? Non e quella scritta da voi ma quella reale basta che chiedete ai vostri cittadini (voi sapete quali) invece di farli tacere fateli parlare e saprete la verità non ce niente da aver paura la verita rende liberi
Ρε φιλε στην αλβανια εχει κατι υποσαχαριες φυλες σαρδων κατι που μοιαζουν με δρουζους λιαπηδες ιταλους τηγανοκεφαλους κλπ σημιτοφοινικες λες να ειναι ολοι αδερφια μας και ο αλλος που λεει σαλομ
VA fan culo
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A PO DON A SPO DON ZOTI NUK NA DESHPRON BESA BES
arvanitas are albanian, and greece is still comunist state that have to run like egypt and people to have free breath to tel who they are, what leanguage they want to speak
ARVANITAS ARE GREEKS AND CRISTIANS!!THE REST OF ALBANIANS ARE FILOTURKS ......OUR LANGUAGE ARE THE GREEK LANGUAGE WITH THE SAME ALFABET BORN 3000 YEARS DURING THE TURK ALBANIAN-PEOPLE HAS NON ALFABET .........
@@kyriakospsikakos9634 ahahah ,so Greek its albanian , because arvanites speaking albanian if you don't know
@@kyriakospsikakos9634 Waw! How do you say above me:
- being christian albanian; my grandparents fought against ottomans for preserving eternal lands/faith/albanian identity/heritage; having NOTHING to do with ottoman/turks ; speaking the same language as arvanites speak?
@@ritar2913 Buhaahaaa 🤣.... Arvanites 🦅🇬🇷🦅 in Greece are,,proud,, Albis 🤣...thats why Arvanites killed you since 1580...at last under Napoleon Zervas 👍🏻
@@ritar2913 yes , yes of course XD
Tutta la Grecia attuale jan Arberor 🇦🇱
Dont expect Arvanites (at least most of them) to publically declare they they are Albanians (they accept that they speak Albanian though). Unfortunately due to the centuries long Greek propaganda, and due to the latest misfortunes of the Albanian nation (that caused a major part of Albanians to stay secluded from the rest of the world, be one of the poorest countries in Europe, and after the fall of communism to become one of the countries with the highest criminality rate), the idea of the common Albanian to the Greek population became such that Arvanites felt ashamed to admit their origin.
Not only them
.. this is a common phenomenon for a lot of Albanians that have moved to Greece the last 30 years (see Eleni Foureira etc). Greece as a nation on the other hand is embarrassed to say that a lot (if not a majority) of the high ranking "officers" of the war against the Turks were Albanians (at that time they spoke Albanian most of the time, but they also spoke Greek since they lived here) and most of the villages around Athens, the cradle of their civilization spoke Albanian, and the Greek Idea that the European forces tried to portray after the 1821 war was just a dream...
Arvanites during tha time didnt like muslim Albanians who fought for the Turks (fun fact for the Greeks , no real Albanian liked Albanians who fought for the Turks, at least the ones who did it willingly, because a lot of Albanians were forcefully taken to fight for the Othoman army). Religion played a significant role for them as well. At that time even in Albania, orthodox Albanians didnt really have the best relationships with muslim Albanians. Our national hero Skenderbeu fought against muslim Albanians who didnt join him during his rebellion against the Ottoman empire. Anyway, good thing for us Albanians is that most of us know the history of both sides while for the Greeks I cant say the same...
Most Arvanites were bilingual ... they spoke both Greek and Arvanitika so it makes no sense to say that any of them were of Albanian descent because something like this is not true. All Arvanites had a Greek conscience. I know it first hand because my grandmother was Arvanitisa bilingual ... but when you asked her what you are she would tell you I am Greek of course !!! but also i know it from many writings by arvanites (letters memoirs etc etc) who used Greek language when writing. Together with the other Greeks but also with Muslims who could not stand the oppression by the Turks (Islamized Greeks) they made the revolution of 1821. The Greek state was built on the struggles of all of them and we are all proud Greeks who have a Greek education and culture and we declare it publicly and privately even if some of us speak also arvanitika besides Greek . Many ancient Greek cities existed in present-day Albania ... so we do not know if you are a true Albanian or maybe you are of Greek descent.the ancient Greeks had 5000 cities around Mediterranean sea in the time of roman conquest. Αlso there are evidences the ancient Illyrians are Greeks of Doric origin according to various researches. The Dorians are one of the 4 main Greek races that formed the Greek nation. If you are a descendant of the Illyrians (as you say) then you are of Greek origin (It should make you proud to say that you are of Greek origin because Greeks created one of the most brilliant civilizations ever ..you wake up!!!). after all, there are many studies that show the Doric origin of the Albanian language. on the other hand ....we know our history very well and we do not expect you to teach it to us. in addition do not insist on pure races and pure DNA etc etc etc ... because it is absurd and does not make sense....something like that supported and that crazy boy Hitler (who was supported by the Muslim Albanians by the way - the unforgettable Turkalbans by us) and did you see where he ended up?
@@mks5756 listen buddy, you can call yourself whatever you want, whatever you feel like. You can move to China in a couple of years and call yourself Chinese for all I care. That's not the point. The point is that Arvanites used to be Albanians at some point during their history..they lived in the area we call today Albania or what we used to call the Principat or Arbanon (hence Arbanon, Arbanites and Arberesh of Italy who have never denied their true historical identity, even though today they are Italians of course). You dont have to make up stories so the other Greeks see you differently, you have fought for that country more than most of "true" Greeks. I say "true" Greeks because just like you mentioned in your comment about Albanian people being mixed with Greeks and other ethnicities, the same goes for the majority of the Greeks who are mixed with Albanians/Illyrians, Romans, Slavs, Turks, Bulgarians, Egyptians etc etc... I guarantee you that if there was a crystall ball where we could see where most of your neighbor's ancestors in Greece were 600 years ago, your Arvanite grand grand parents would have better chances of being located inside the territory of today's Greece. I am sure that if somebody from Germany or Sweden claimed Arvanites as their own you wouldn't have an issue..i guarantee you that. But because of our recent history, religion and economical struggles we as Albanians got a bad reputation so it's a little bit more difficult for you guys to admit your origin. That's ok...one day, maybe in a couple of generation it won't be so difficult for you guys to admit the truth. Hopefully the perception Greeks have about Albanians will change and you won't feel ashamed of who your grand grandparents were. 😉
@@ardip.6930 You did not read everything I wrote and you do not argue about what I wrote. I dispute that if 5000+ cities on the time of the Roman conquest were of Greek origin, you should probably ask yourself whether you are of Greek origin and not the opposite. Around 200 BC το 100 ΒC the Greeks were about 7,000,000 to 10,000,000 according to many prominent European historians (Raciman for example, the most prominent Byzantine scholar) in a population of around 55,000,000 in all the Roman Empire (The largest population of a single nation at that time within the borders of the Roman Empire). where did they all go? did they evaporate? Probably not ha ha!!.. So ... maybe a lot of people in your area are most likely Greeks.. who have lost their language and their Greek conscience ... this is the truth. You also do not know how the Arvanites came here in Greece...So I will tell you: the Paleologi brought them to renew the population around the 14th century. why did Paleologi do that? because they (Arvanites) were a dynamic element of Byzantium and did not differ from the Greeks of that time at all… neither in habits nor even in clothes (foustanella). There were about 10000 families and they settled among Greeks, so Greeks and the newcomers neighbours became bilingual after communicating, getting married and having the same religion.. they even shared the same churches and villages. they were all 10000 famillies in population. There are books (Sarantos Kargakos: Arvanites Albanians and Greeks and other books..i can write the title if you want) that prove that the Arvanites were of Greek origin from Arvanon…but that is not the point. what you do not answer is that if you are Illyrian then there are researches that prove you are Dorians (Lucas Bellos in his books proves it) there are also studies (Lucas Bellos again and others) that prove that Albanian language has words and structure that show that it is a Doric dialect ... that is, a part of Greek )
You stand on 10,000 medieval families in an area that was culturally and spiritually united that were bilingual because you want to support that the whole Peloponnese is full of Albanians which is a lie…and you know that for 1800 years and maybe more, Albanians and Greeks were part of the same state (Byzantium) and had (and have even today) the same culture. I take out the Islamic period (I do not say Turkish because it was Islamic conquest at first) because in that era a lot of Albanians and Greeks became Muslims and they lost their roots.
You say nothing about this Doric origin of the Illyrians. You have not read about the evidence that says that the Arvanites were Greeks by origin like many others in your homeland who have forgotten the Greek language. language is not the only criterion of nationality. My relatives are in Canada and we speak English to communicate because they do not know a word of Greek, this does not mean that they are not Greeks. and who tells you that you have a bad reputation here in Greece? Most Albanians have joined the Greek community and feel that they are like Greeks today, especially those of the second and third generation. My son has friends who are second and third generation Albanians and there is no problem at all !!! What you write is a complex that you carried for no reason, (so take it easy !!!! my friend) at least in our days. to say that we Greeks have a problem with the Turks (Islamized Byzantines who killed our ancestors and looted our property - and not all Turks but mainly the upper class..the class of ottomans) .. I can accept that but nothing more
In conclusion: It is good to read History not written by Greeks (for not to say that it is propaganda) but by distinguished historians from Europe and America τto have a more accurate opinion
@@mks5756 I don't have to read all this crap man...cmon now. Really 10 million Greeks?? So you are saying that the Greek population has barely changes since 200BC?? Lol On top of that you provide a few references, mostly from Greek writers, who are strictly biased, to tell me about the Arbanite origin? I don't need thar crap...that's strictly propaganda and if you have been brainwashed to believe that, then I am really sorry about that. I don't have the time and patience to change your beliefs here in TH-cam.
@@ardip.6930 I mention some authors but you, as I observe, do not mention any. all that you say you take out of your mind. Like Εleni Kocaki ha ha ha!!!! that great scientist of youtube !!!!
Is Ranciman the greatest Byzantinologist scholar a Greek???!!! Oh my God you are completely ignorant!!! everything I said .... have been taken by modern scientists (not all of them Greeks as you will see) from the ancient texts of Herodotus Strabon etc ...I can write them (these ancient writers) in a list one by one if you want but I am sure that you will not read the list because you are biased against Greek culture
I do not think you have any university education… after what you say. Ι think you are illiterate and uneducated. The Greeks had colonies since the 9th century BC and had about 5000 cities of Greek culture throughout the Mediterranean. (this is written by VALERIO MASSIMO MANFREDI!!!! He studied classical literature at the University of Bologna and specialized in the Topography of the Ancient World ... he is a prominent Italian scholar !! he writes what i say.... in his book: Greeks and west! wake up! !!! open that book and read it!!!)(5000 x 2000=10.000.000 if i know arithmetic. I think!!!) many Greeks throughout the Mediterranean have lost their identity over the centuries due to conquests by other peoples. Ancient Corinth had a population of 500,000 in 450 BC(ου παντος πλειν εις κορινθος) Ancient Athens had the same numbers. National Geographic listed Athens and Corinth as the most populous cities in the world in the classical era when they were at the peak of their development. is national Geographic Greek propaganda?
fortunately 1.500.000+ of your compatriots who live and study at universities in Greece are of a completely different opinion of your's.
if you can understand the Greek language watch this video th-cam.com/video/szXaBeaDmyI/w-d-xo.html it mentions a lot of ANCIENT WRITERS (not modern Greeks writers!!!! )who say the Arvanites and illirians are of Greek origin. Your compatriots have translate in Albanian it… I think
we don't know if modern Albanians are illiyrians or from kaukasos mountain
trung farefise ilire toske arb arbe arbi arber arberore arbereshe dhe gege arban arben arbent arbnore arbnesh tungjatjeta trima
college university teachers say that arvanites are Hellenism people? The arvanite language is Albanian dialect
Thesaloniki eshte makedoni 😂😂😂😂
Giannis Katsis εισαι μικρός ακόμα εσυ για τέτοια πράγματα
This is a ridiculous argument and the fact of the matter is that, in spite of the mental gymnastics these pseudo-historians do, Arvanite speak a language that is unintelligible to modern Greek and it only proves one thing, that the definition of "greek" is not based on ethnicity but rather the national and religious consciousness/identity. Which is completely stupid and hypocritical as it is the same argument that is used by the Slavo-Macedonians to link them to antiquity.
Tell me one nation who teach albanian history 😂
@@hellenicsouliote2700 you can study Albanian History and Language search Albanologie!
Don’t use Albanian name’s because you are more related to Slavic and Anatolia asia Greeks then real Arvanite/Greeks
Said the guy who thinks he is Macedonia, speaking bulgarian. LOL
Kleodeus : Lord Byron about the modern Greek language 1809. Byron wrote only the tru reality that he was seeing .Under the directives of his kingdom,Byron helped the Greek indenpedency. The number of Greek population was wery low when Byrom visited Balkans. In the entire Balkan peninsula only 300,000 Greeks could be found that time.The real and true name of these people was Gypsy from ancient Time.The people of Balkan peninsula were calling the people or imigrants who arrived from Egypt in the short form as Gypsy. They were Dark and some were Black. The imigrants spoke the broken latin. In ancient time the latin language was the language of Romans and universal language that all countries were using for bilateral relatiion.They wealthy in order to be diffrent from the poor and the others started to use the latin language.Their servants started also to learn this language but they spoke the broken Latin. This broken Latin language later was known as a Greek language, and with the modification of this language Today is known as a Modern Greek Language. So tell us something about Africa , Asia or Mongolia were Gipsys are from but in Balkan peninsula we was hir wen time begin and we will be hir wen its end.
How cut be Arvanitas Greek past Seculi they still speak the Mother language the Divine Language of Lord so you dirty Greeks can tell us something about Egypt , Africa but about Balkan Peninsula not :
Theodor Momsen : The survivors of the Ilyrians are the Albanians. Kelly Miller : The Balkan battelfield is exactly the center of world History. Wadham Peacok : The mann who marched to Babylon Persia and India were the ancestors of the Albanians. Nikolla Jorga : The Albanians people together and the Basques one are the oldest5 in Europe. Joseph Salinger : The Epirotic lamguage of the past is the Albanian language of Today. Branislav Nusic : The Albanians are indigenious who during all the agitations managed to save their charachter and even emphasized it.They resisted on Romans attacks and surrived the slavic migrations. Edith Durham They are strewen with the wreckage of dead Empires past powers only the Albanian gos on forever. Robert Gordon Latham : Macedonia and Thracia were Albanian / Skipetar.Franz Bopp : Albanian is the oldest indoeuropean language. Alphons de Lamartine : Albanians this nation and this people can not be mocked .This is the Landd of Heros of all time .Homer found there Achilles the Greeks the Alexander the Great.Turks found Scanderbeg people these of the same racethe same Blood.Mauricio Druon : Albanians belong to the Nations who are older then the History.and the Grandfathers of Albanians took part in trhe Troy War,ruled by Hector on one part and by Achilles on the other part. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : Albanian is the old language of the Ilyrians. Edwin Pears : Albanians are the Descendants of the oldest race in the Balkanic Peninsula an Aryan Race.Even the word Aryan in their language means pure Gols.Maximilian Lambretz : The tru History of the Humanity will be written only when it will be written with participation of Albanians.Jovan Cvijic : South Slavs after arrived in the Balkans found there the Albanians who under their preasure Slavs retreated southward and to most mountains Areass. Edwin Jacues : Ilyrians or Albanians those tirelessnes sonns,were warriorrs of the Albania ethnic.Amcestors of Achilles , Philip II,Alexander the Great and Pyrros of Epirus.Johan Georg von Hahn : The Albanian derives from Ilyrians and the Ilyrians from Pelasgien one. Henri Barisford : In Macedonia Albanians are the only indigenous people.General Niox : Albanians are of Pelasgien origin they are considered one of the most beautiful and courageous races.Gustav Meyer : The Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe.Herbert David : Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, and they are the gods of the mountains from very ancient times. They are the descendants of the ancient Pellazgia, no other race has a valid claim to the territories of the Albanians. Lord Byron : Albanians with their costums make a most wonderful scenery in the world. Albanians are the mostr beautiful human race exists courages, stronger than their strongholds. Konstandin Paparigopuolos : Only the Albanians are considered descendants of the Ilyrian Race. Gustav Meyer Albanians are the young Ilyrians and the Ilyrians are the Descendannts of Pellazgi. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz : If you want to discover the History before Christ and the sciense at that time , you have to learn the Albanian language. Strabo : Betwen Grece , Thrace and Danube are the Tribes of Epirots , Macedonians and Ilyrians. John Wilkes The lands betwenn Adriatic and Danube were inhabited by a people called Ilyrian. When the Albanian language will be well studied and when its oral traditions will be exhumed, then many of Homers works will be revisited and some of them will need to be corrected. Herodotus had no idea that the names of the Heroes of Homers work were clearly in the Pelasgien language.Even Homers own name can be tracked back to the Albanian language : Good and in the form Imiros means good poetry. In the Albanian language it is : Agamenon , He - ge-mendon, he who thinks , Ajax that Bloodsucker ,bloodsucker: Priamos , Mothers Son,mothers son and with an ironicmeaning Son of the Earth, of the Country: Achilles , of heaven one descended from heaven: Odyseus of the Road the traveler the one who walks: Ithaka, i thak - idhnak: Droilos,Droili (os) one who fears,a coward .Many more could be added to this list. Its is not suprising if people who have studied the Albanian language say that this is the original language of Homer and that the Greeks took from the Pelasgien poets most of the songs of valor and heroicones. They built big walls that are called cyclopean and for which Prof.Pokok says they were built long before Homers Greeks existed.From this strong prehistoric race only the Albanians remained.Only later was it realized that the Pelasgien were the old Ilyrians ,the first Indo-European branch, whose empire stretched from Asia minor to the Adriatic and from the North to the Danube.From the studies of young writers,like Proff. Max Mueller and Proff, POT, in the Albanian language this origin became stable. Thesse Ilyrians who still live in Albanian as Toska, Toscana,Etruscan.It is in vain to look for the gods of Grece in the etymology of her language. In the Albanian language these are very clear and their meanings are very correct. Gor example , Chaos emptiness, space Erebus,son of Chaos, is er-het-os, made dark: Uranos is I-Vran-os, that is, the fairy of the clodus, the Clodus: Zeus, Zaa,Zee,Zoot-God,voice of lighting: Athena is the Spoken , by speaking the word: Nemesis,nemes,that is, nam,Devils call: Muse,Mosois,is the Teacher:Venus meansclose to the day,the dawn. George Fred Williams wrote in 1914 : If we go back to prehistory, before the Homeric rhapsodes were sung to the gods and mythological heroes, before the Greek language was written, there lived a people known as the Pelasgiens. Albanians are the only ones who have come to this day from this powerful prehistoric race.Only in recent years has it been determined that the Pelasgiens were the Ancient Ilyrians.... These Ilyrians aqlso went to Italy under the name Toska, as they are still called in Albania, while in Italy they remained as Toska, Tuscan Etruscan. Albanian was the tru language of Homer, because the Greeks borrowed from the rhapsodist Pelasge their famousepic....Albanian was the mother tounge of Alexander of the Great conquests and and of Pyrrhus of Epirus,one of the greatest generals in History...... It is a tragedy beyond all imagination , that this great and very ancient race should end up in this state, which deserves to be called the Scandal of European Civilization.It is not suprising that the Otoman conquer prohibited any exavation in the Albanian land, which could remeind the people of its former glory.. What a great wealth of knowledge awaist the archeologist when the Albanian land opens the treasure of the History of the Pelasgiens. The origin of Albanians - In prehistoric times , before the poets of Homer sang of their Gods and heroes of fairy tales,before the Greek language was written, there lived a people called the Pelasgians. Even before the Hellenic branch became known in the Mountains of Thesaly, Skodra the chief city of Albania was undoubtedly the capital great Kingdom of Ilyria. Facts about the Origins of the Moderrn Greek State .1. The first King of Grec is the Bavarian Prince Otto 2 The Typical Greek of the time spoke Arvanite a language very cloesly realeted to Albanian so it is a Albanian dialect,3 The national costumes of Greek is the Albanian Fustanela 3 The national Dance of the Greek indepedence is the Albanian Chamiko The Dance of the Chams /Came -a subgroup of Albanians in Greec.4 In the Year 1831 Athens was made up of 8000 houses where most of the Inhabitants were Albanians -Helene Glykatzi-Ahrweiler.5 The majority of Greek soldiers spoke in Albanian to one another Parnassos Magazine. History of The Greek flag in 1822 Grecce adopts this flag its naval ensing. in 1828 in battle of Navarino Britain liberated Grecce from Turks.In 19780same flag becomes Greek national flag. Greek national Flag is British Colonial Blue Ensing Flag. i Think it is inoof Xaxiki if you need still Proofs let me now because they are so many and i will give you a Link you can look maybe you can find your Rots there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey.
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@@afrimademi9713 holy fuck I have never seen anyone as autistic as Albanians 💀 please decide. Are Greeks Asian, African or Slav? They can’t be all 3💀 you would expect that they would shut up after losing in Thesprotia 2 v 1 with the help of their Nazi friends out feeling ashamed alone, but, turns out, shame is a feeling intelligent people feel. 💀
For my albanian friends. Please come to Greece and ask the arvanitas like me if we are greeks or albanians. Ask us if we like to become albanians
Ask you to become Albanian !?
If you are Arvanitas You are Albanian whether you like it or not !!!!
But I’m curious about how other Arvanitas including you feel like at heart because our guys may not feel free to announce your origin ....do you feel Albanian or Greek ?
Βασικά, ακόμη και αν τα σχολικά βιβλία έχουν γεμίσει με ψέματα, ο δάσκαλος πρέπει να τα διδάξει στα παιδιά σύμφωνα με τον Γεωργιάδη. Δυστυχώς, οι αρχικοί Αρβανίτες δεν συμφωνούν, δείτε τους παρακάτω.
www.greeks-albanians.com/top-greeks-albanians/gr-m-ga-arb/383-1897
www.freeinquiry.gr/articles/erevnes/o-tzavelas-anatinaxe-ton-samoyil/4503.html
www.quora.com/profile/Mihalis-Ntinopoulos
www.albanianhistory.net/1971_Jochalas/index.html
Εγώ έχω μιλήσει με αρβανίτι ιδιοκτήτης μαγαζιού Μοναστηράκι
Μου είπε : και εγώ είμαι αρβανίτις, ίδια ράτσα είμαστε αλλά λόγω τον συμφέρον δεν μιλάμε, άστα... μου λέει... μην ψάχνεις
Αυτός ο άνθρωπος ήταν πολύ κοντά στη ΝΔ
@@UnlimitedAspirations24 of course we feel greek because we are greek. We fought in every war for Greece!
këta janë shtrembërues të shkëlqyer të historisë
A lidhja ine alithjaa
Prepi na lete alithja historia.
@@yllkaelezi9760 fol o gjuhen qe te ka mesuar nena o moter!
Kan rastisur vet ne athin me nje arvanitash te vjeter ne mosh qe me foli me nje shqipe te vjeter por te paster.u habita dhe i thash qe ku ke mesuar kete gjuhe.me tha jam arvanitas por edhe plaka qe kam ne shtepi nuk e di qe un e flas kete gjuhe.e ftova per kafe dhe erdhi.aty kuptova qe te gjith greket e sotcem jan shqiptar por se pranojn se kan frik nga dicka
Kolokotroni Xhavella Bocari ha il sangue di Arberesh Arvanitas Arberore
Selam Hasan Islam who love Kolokotronis 🦅☦️🇬🇷❤️
@@user-db8ht2hg9k Koloktroni = Arvanit-Albanian.
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi ΚΟΛΟΚΟΤΡΏΝΗΣ= KOLOKOTRONIS= The Greek Nightmare for all Albanians & Ottomans in Dervenakia , Tripolitsa & Valtetsi ☦️🇬🇷☦️
arvanitas bravoooooo brother 👍👍👍
We are not brothers we are HATE ALBANIANS!!!🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@@gianniskatsis1714 ...Επειδη ειστε μαλακες!!!
Giannis Katsis
fuck you
Ti nuk je Arvanit
ti je Gyspi Turko Byzantin !
You sold your ass to Gypsi Bizantin
for a PENSION 400 euros
m.th-cam.com/video/WQ0nOd6zo8M/w-d-xo.html
More, kur do ta perkthejne edhe ne shqip sepse PO flasin per Shqipetaret ne Greqi 😯?? Cfare lloj shteti injorance qe ka vuajtur populli Shqipetar!! Thanks, but we the rest of the other Albanians can't understand this well!! Is it possible that this information be transferred over to the proper Albanian media??
E BESOI = )
Σιγά-σιγά αρχίζουν και ξυπνάνε και καταλάβαινε ποιοι ακριβώς είναι οι αρβανίτες και ποιοι ακριβώς είναι υπόλοιποι φίλοι που βρίσκεται στην Ελλάδα
Buhahahhaaha 🤣
Gli arbanites sono Arberesh,Albanesi 🇦🇱☦️
Arvanites te Candoni gluhen Arberes no arroni
WE ARVANITES love GREECE 🇬🇷☦️❤️👊🏻
@@user-db8ht2hg9k You Arvanites aren’t typical free-will. Since you say you are living free-will, it’s because you became Greek. If you was like Aristeidis Kollias… you will have difficult to live in Greece.
@@user-db8ht2hg9kin italia diciamo : sti cazzi
Viva arberesh
Çfarë është ky përkthim koti?
ME KUJTON SE AI DOT NGRIHET PRAP PER TE VERTETEN = )
Urra urra
Rrnoft Fara Jon
Rrnoft Gluha Arbërore
Rrnofshin Trojet tona
Po per bes te ZOTIT do te ngrihemi e nuk do te ulemi kurr deri sa malet te behen hi e hiri mal perseri
Arvanitas in 🇬🇷 Arbresh in 🇮🇹 Arbanas in 🇭🇷 🇲🇰🇷🇸🇧🇬are Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
We are Sunit Shehit Ortodox and Katolic but we are albanians i thank the God for that.
Arvanitasit nuk flisin greqisht. Gjuha e tyre ne vitin 1823 ishte Arberisht, e quajtur sot "SHQIP".
Kombesia e dikujt percaktohet nga gjuha qe ai/ajo flet.
Kombesia e Arvanitasve eshte "Arberore". Jo kombesi greke.
Bravo mbroe origjinen tende
Aide origjine, aideeee !!
m.th-cam.com/video/WQ0nOd6zo8M/w-d-xo.html
😂😂
Arvanites flasin shqip
Vetem ne athine jane 2 miljon arvanitas ....te cilet kane frike te flasin Shqip ...kam fol me arvanitas te cilet me shikonin si vella ...por flisnin me ze te ulet ...
Keep lying kid 😂 arvanites are around 300k statistically
I am a Greek who lives in Germany and know many Albanians. I believe that we Greeks have more in common with Albanians than with our neighbors. We can also face the truth and say: Yes, the Arvanites were Albanians, but Orthodox Albanians and fought with the Greeks for the freedom of Greece. I find it very nice. They fought with the Greeks against the Turks as well as against the Muslim Albanians (Turkalbans). The Arvanites have become part of the Greek people. For me, our common Orthodox religion is more important than national affiliation. An Albanian or Turkish Christian is a thousand times closer to me than a Greek who converts to Islam!
Sehr guter Kanal, Bruder! Es freut mich sehr, dass es auch auf albanischer Seite Leute gibt, die die Verwandtschaft und Ähnlichkeit zwischen den beiden Völkern sehen und für eine Versöhnung und Freundschaft kämpfen. Wir haben tatsächlich viel Gemeinsames, nicht nur, was die Physiognomie betrifft. Wenn ich die Gesichter von Leuten auf einer Demonstration in Tirana sehe, meine ich, dass es irgendwo in Athen ist. Beide Völker waren auch als Christen für lange Zeit Teil des byzantinischen Reiches , bis die Türken kamen und vielen Völkern in der Region ihre islamische Religion aufgezwungen hatten. Der Islam war die Ursache für die Konflikte zwischen muslimischen Albanern auf der einen Seite und Christen (Griechen + Arvaniten bzw. orthodoxen Albanern) auf der anderen Seite und der Grund für viele Missverständnisse, die es gab und gibt. Bist du Christ aus Kosovo? Lebst du in Deutschland?
Für mich ist die Religionszugehörigkeit weitaus wichtiger als die Volkszugehörigkeit. Ein Türke, der zum Christentum findet ist mir tausend mal lieber als ein Grieche, der den Islam annimmt.
Die Türken sind ein Vielvölkergemisch aus Griechen, Armeniern, Albanern, Slawen, etc. In einigen Regionen der Türkei, wie in Pontos, leben noch ethnische Griechen, die noch pontisch sprechen. Sie sind ethnische Griechen -den meisten ist es vielleicht bewusst -, aber Moslems und somit unsere Feinde. In diesen Regionen ist der türkische Nationalismus am stärksten. Unsere größten Feinde waren unsere eigenen Leute, die zum Islam übergetreten sind. Die Religion spielte und spielt eine große Rolle. Warum kämpften die christlich-orthodoxen Albaner gegen die muslimischen Albaner? Warum kämpften in Bosnien die Orthodoxen Serben gegen die muslimischen Serben (sog. muslimische Bosniaken)? Warum kämpften die Christen in Libanon gegen die Moslems? Für mich ist ein Grieche, der den Islam annimmt, kein Grieche. Die Religion prägt auch das Wesen der Menschen. Islam und Griechentum sind nicht vereinbar. Ich bin auch der Meinung, dass Islam zu den Albanern nicht passt. Unser Nationalbewusstsein haben wir aufgrund unserer Religion bewahren können. Andernfalls wäre wir alle heute Türken. Dass wir die vielen Fremden auf dem heutigen griechischen Territorium assimilieren konnten verdanken wir unserer Religion und der Kirche. Wir können sehr wohl aus einem Assyrer, Chinesen, oder Georgier einen Griechen machen, wenn er unsere Religion und Kultur angenommen hat. Ali Pascha hat durch seine Handlungen die griechische Revolution indirekt unterstützt, aber sein Hauptziel war nicht nie Befreiung Griechenlands. Ich bin der Meinung, dass Griechen und Albaner die gleiche Abstammung haben.
Es ist erfreulich, dass ca. halbe Million Albaner sich nach 1990 in Griechenland taufen ließen. Darunter auch viele mit muslimischer Herkunft. Es ist auch gut, dass, mit wenigen Ausnahmen, die Albaner keine hartgesottene Moslems sind und viele von ihnen wissen, dass die Religion ihrer Vorfahren das Christentum war. Wegen der Konflikte mit den Serben ist es natürlich schwierig, sich vom Islam zu distanzieren. Ich lese gerade die Bücher "The Albanians: A Modern History", von Miranda Vickers und "Skanderberg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan" von Oliver Jens. Sehr interessant. Jetzt weiß ich auch, warum Skanderberg bei vielen albanischen Moslems nicht beliebt ist. Unter anderem wegen Kruja, als er ihnen nach der Rückeroberung der Stadt nur eine Wahl ließ: entweder zu ihrem christlichen Glauben zurückzukehren, oder das Schwert. Stürzenberger ist mir bekannt und ich schaue oft seine TH-cam-Beiträge. Ein sehr gebildeter und Mutiger Mann.
Muslim Albanians werent Turks. Stop bragging about this stupid ideology
Funny to hear a slav speak about Arvanitas and Albanians when his last name is Georgiadis I wonder where he’s from originally!
A slav what are you talking about turkoalbo? He is Greek and georgiadis is a Greek Byzantine surname Greek surnames are mostly big
@@Nikos2000-c6n his ancestors walked from Georgia just like yours walked from Anatolia the only true Greeks were Arvanites and they spoke Albanian like Marko and Konstandin Boçari Kiço Xhavella Antonio Kryeziu and many many others u reek slav malaga, Byzantium is dead and Constantinople is Istanbul cry about it .
its not true that Arvanites Albanians got expelled by muslim Albanians in that case then the People in Albania would have been in war just like the arab nations that kill each other over religion in contrary to that the Albanian religions are married to each other you tell me what other country dos that where Christian and Muslim marry each other and pursue their believe in freedom without force from the other religion you tell me otherwise.
Iam Arvanite from both my parents. We have always been proud Greeks like our grandfathers and their grandfathers did.
You are Greek with Albanian heritage!
Marjol Shehu No Im Greek Arvanitis. We have nothing to do with Albania.
I am sorry for you!!
You may be proud Greek but let me tell you one thing, your grandfathers spoke Albanian and carried themselves to Albanian customs. Have a good day malaka 😘
@@bledarkapaj125 arvanites are greeks. If you ever start reading books you will see that. When you stop being sheep you will have life and you will be human
Arvanitet Jan shqipetar
Skipetar jan mongol dagestan
Γατι μιλάνε αλβανικά Ι αρβανιτι
Μάθε ιστορια
@@mediismaili9305
Μάθε να μην κλέβεις ξένη ιστορία.
Έχουμε 5000 χρόνια καταγεγραμμένης ιστορίας στην ευρύτερη περιοχή από τον ισιοδο ακόμη.
Ανασκαφές
Αρχαίοι ναοι
Αρχαίες πόλεις
Αρχαίοι τάφοι ανακαλύπτονται μέσα στην Αλβανία, μέσα στην Τουρκία με ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΈΣ ΕΠΙΓΡΑΦΈΣ.
Ε Λ Λ Η Ν Ι Κ Ε Σ.
Και όχι Αλβανών με πεντακόσια χρόνια ιστορίας.
Όλα τα κλέβετε κάντε και καμιά άλλη δουλειά
Ι κιρια Μαρία Εμφιμιυ λεγ Ι Αρβανίτες ινε αλβανι Ι κιρια ινε καθιγιτργα ΤΙΣ ιστοριασ
Raca me e bukur ne bot eshte tole raca sepse ajo na mban ballancat qe mos te "ham" njeri tjetrin ...
Race a bukure NGA shkretetira mongoloevgjite taklamakane
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PIQERASS=PIKA RASES=MAJA E RASAS, RASSA=GURR, PIKA=MAJ.
when will the Hellenic people understand! that the Hellenic people were always Hellenic, neither the Dorian people nor the people of Aegean were......
Yeah sure... Hellenic who spoke and still speak a dialect of Albanian.
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@@user-db8ht2hg9k You sold yourself and became Greek. You just left your origin Arvanit-Albanian. You laugh but with stupidity judgment.
Hahah you try to confused the public with the religion, just because the arvanites was orthodox doesn't mean that are Greeks, all of them before the indipedenc spoke only albanian they learn the greek after the indipendenc and the toponomy names of the villages im Greece are in Albanian language so stop thinking that we are your enemy cause we are the same we have the same DNA with you and we need to be in very strong together against other enemys like turkey and Russia and Slavs that for century's has done all those thing to divide us and put us and you against each other
Russians, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Arvanities, Northern Macedonians, Vlachs, Montenegrins are Orthodox Christians using Cyrillic alphabet invented by ancient Greeks, except the Ottomans were using Arab alphabet until the year 1924.
@@user-ug6te2hn1t albanian orthodox and muslim are the only in Balkan writing with latin alphabet
@@xhuliododa6052 Albanians christians(Catholic and orthodox) and also Muslims use Latin. This guy the first comment is clearly using religion into race. A bit(or maybe more) fanatic.
ARVANICO = ARYAN RACE
ARNAUT = ARYAN RACE
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Arvanites are orthodox Albanian. When we say greek we just saying orthodox Albanian that’s what greek means. To be greek is to be orthodox Albanian. Greeks and Albanians have the same blood they are just fighting for religion. The ancient rocks found in Greece are nothing more then Roman temples. The greek language is koine language it was recently created.
Αlbanian language is a mixture of greek slav latin armenian mainly turkish words. Ar van ites is a greek and latin word and their origin is dorian . As modern greek and what is written on monuments all around the Mediterranean area you might be difficult to learn yet there are people all over the world that understand what is written in greek. Compare latin to aeolian alphabet. As salam alaicum ( arabs the latest civilized islam tribes) religion in albania?
nez perce 😂😂😂 lopa e gjallë, guess how they say it in Albanian and Arvanitika, it is the same, idiot. lmaoo!
This comment has to be a joke. Please
You mean Shqipe created in 1910. Yes it is true.
I partly agree with your opinion. Have a nice day.
arvanit and albanian one blood
Αnd the subsaharian gheg?
ARVANIT.GR.ARBERESH.IT.ARNAVUT.TR.ARVARESHU.SARDEGNA.IT.WE ARE AVERYWERE .🇦🇱🤴🇦🇱
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@@user-wy7em9fm2c🌠🇦🇱 EPIRI 🇦🇱ÇAMERIA🇦🇱 PELLAZG ILIRY SHQIPERI🌠🇦🇱🌠
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@UCP92r327xA6qCwKRsbNLcxQ ke te drejt per kete. Sepse kemi qeveritat te kuruptuar qe shesin historin te greket dhe serbet. Dhe ju qe jeni popull i thjesht si un nuk keni faj. Sepse ashtu ju kan mesuar historin ne shkoll. Ja u kan mesuar gabim. Ok file😉
@UCP92r327xA6qCwKRsbNLcxQ UN JAM EPIRIOT ÇAM NGA PARAMITHIA🌠🇦🇱🌠
Η αλήθεια πάντα πονάει
The Greek people is from India and Egypt
And your from Mars😂😂😂😂
Έχεις κάποιο βάσιμο επιχείρημα;
Μην γίνεσαι σακάτης του υπολογιστή.Μην μπαίνεις και γράφεις μπούρδες.
Βullshit those are phoinicians not greek but they was in india once long before arabs etc
Your mama from India
Rosi London
hahahahahahah
HELLENIK HILLINIK MEANING NAME, ALBANIA HILLI NIK,
GREECE ASTERI ENA, INGLES STAR ONE, STAR SYMBOL ANCIENT OF ILLIRIA, ALBANIA HILLI YLLI, GREECE ASTERI, INGLES STAR, ILLIRIK, HILLIRIK, HILLINIK, HELLENIK IS WORD ALBANIA LANGUAGE.
You are stupid 😂 it's Έλληνες not hellenik 😂
GJERGJi is right.the hate between the two Muslim and Orthodox Albanians startet during Ali Pashe Tepelena Era.
FREE SOUTHERN EPIRUS! 🇦🇱
Vetem Aristidh Kola ju vinte hakut juve por e eliminuat .
Ai ishte ai qe dilte hapur dhe pranonte origjinen e tij shqiptare. Greqia eshte shtet multietnik, teresisht hibrid. Prandaj ushtron fort asimilim mbi popujt e tjere. Ndryshe nga Italia qe e ka etnicitetin e saj te shtrire dhe nuk rrezikohet nga arbereshet kur ata pranojne origjinen e tyre. Nese shqiptaret kudo neper Ballkan pranojne origjinen e tyre dhe shteti shqiptar i mbron, atehere shteti i Maqesonise, Mali te Zi, gjysma jugore e Serbise dhe Greqia me pjeset e saja veriore dhe kryeqytetin e saj, do te shkriheshin dhe do te shkerrmoqeshin bashke me fabrikacionet e tyre historike.
@@safetsins kam takuar shume shqiptar ne Gjermani por qe e kishin ndryshuar emrin dhe nuk e pranonin qe jane shqiptare nga Boçari ne Botsaris ose nga Shkreli i Malik te Zi ne Skryeli etj.Jemi e keqja e vehtes.
@@ateistalban1948 Eshte turp i madh. E gjithe bota e di qe Bocaret jane shqiptare apo Shkrelet po ashtu. Por edhe shteti malazez apo ai grek ushtron shume shtypje ndaj tyre, duke perdorur kishen. E njejta gje fatkeqesisht edhe te shqiptaret ne Turqi nga ana e shtetin turk, por kete here me te njejten metode, por me xhamite.
@@ateistalban1948 MARKOS BOTSARIS
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Ky qeli qenka njesoj si Vasilis Spanullis
Skuptova, ç'far mesazhi donte të na ipte ky video? Flm
Vori epiri sud epiri ist chameria sud albanie
Come in Greece and ask all the aravanites if they feel or they want to become albanians. And you will take your answer. You cant tell someone what he feels, HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT HE FEELS LIKE!!
And for history now, arvanites were Greek tribes.
If you Ask Arbanian in Greece he will say he is hellen but no Greek.
Greeks and ancient hellens have no connection.Arbanians are Albanians by blood and language!!
@@guritarasi8732 Weak up! Hellenes and Greeks have thes language and dna.
@@guritarasi8732 Illyrians and albanians are different
@@gia4579
Who told you this papas in church maybe?
Albanians was Illyrians with their city state and had as capital city Albanopolis 8-7century B.C
@@gia4579
Hellens are the Illyrians of southern part in Illyricum!!
Greek is word by Albanians and mean leav like a woman.
Was dedicate to the people who leaved the battlefilds without fighted.
Greek=Gra+ik=Γρα+ίκ=Γραίκ-οι
Εllin=El-lin=Il-lir=Illir=Ilir by dialect
Cose el-il-yl same and mean the star
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J'ati,,,,,,i ghitoned milane ,,ho merika. ,,,arqea. Alvanika
🇦🇱arvanitasit
ARVANITIA ☦️🇬🇷☦️❤️
@@user-db8ht2hg9k 🇦🇱🙏🇦🇱
@@donidoni7777 WE ARVANITES ☦️🇬🇷☦️ FOUGHT AGAINST YOU
WE NEVER FEEL ALBANIAN
WE LOVE GREECE ☦️🇬🇷❤️
@@user-db8ht2hg9k you are not Arvanitas because Arvanitas do not say these words they are pure Albanian blood who are denied the right to speak Albanian I was in Greece and I met with them yesterday they all accept that they are Albanian and speak all the old Albanian language but they dare not declare themselves because of the pressure of the Greek state
@@donidoni7777 You spoke with Albanians but sure not with Arvanites !!!
ARVANITES killed Albanians in Peta Souli Arta Messolonghi Karpenisi Dervenakia Tripolitsa Valtetsi Gravia Arachova Alamana Vasilika Nauplio Spetses and under Napoleon Zervas in Chameria !!!! Yeah the truth hurts ;)
ARVANITAS IS ALBANIEN CAMERIA IS ALBANIE....
Go to learn story and then came back and tell me... ARVANITES IS GREEKS!!!
ONLY GREECE!!!🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΜΟΝΟ!!!🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@@gianniskatsis1714 Go learn yourself first and come back.
@@gianniskatsis1714Quale? La conosciamo bene. A differenza vostra abbiamo cercato in tutti gli archivi europei. Si parla solo di Albanese, niente lingua Greca
Padashje fal
Arvanitasit dhe shqiptare janë një kombe kanë një gjuhë dhe një kulturë turket dhe kisha ortodokse ruse i percane shqiptare dhe ju si njini qe jemi një komb
Heeeee. Our grand grand Fathers and mothers tell US this language that we speak in Graecia Grecce was not I repeat was NOT spoken here in Graecia from poleMorea to Konstantinopole and NISUS and Durraso. Our forefathers never head this so called Greek today.! Only Ship Shqip Arvani was spoken here Gegri and toskani. In 4th century roman empire split Greeks in 2 dialects the geg and the tosk, now u know what language was spoken.
Back to Albania 🐣🇦🇱🐣
Chameria 20.5 km2
Arvanitet 11.2 km2(Athina)
Zone Selanikut 5 km2 = Albanian
Arvanit 100% albania autochton
Ego ime Arvanite Epiriote Camicos
Τόσα χρόνια φιλοξενούμε τους Αλβανούς στην πανέμορφη χώρα μας και μας βγάζουν και γλώσσα
Esy exei tetragoni logiki.
I alitheia einai pixri panta.
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@@ritar2913 From wich Turkoalbanian mosque did you come out to talk about Greek History and not about Islam
@@ritar2913 Aahhh ok now I know why you are so stupid XD
@@ritar2913 You are from Poland but you went in Greek school but you have studied in France....Yes a typical Albanian who change her history & belief like WE our underwear XD
Arvanitet have Albanian blood. DESPITE have Greek Nationality. Is Diferent to be Greek with pasport Like German or British...but you may be Chinise. Arvanitet have Albanian language and kulture and Music.
WE ARVANITES don't like Albania with your turkish mosques
RROFT HELLAS ☦️🇬🇷❤️
@@user-db8ht2hg9k ..Civilization . has nothing to do with religion..For Albanian is Nationally first.
Relegion is always personal choice...like political party.
@@sabibaliaj7187 But for us ARVANITES is our Greek religion first and than GREECE...but NEVER Albania !!!!
@@user-db8ht2hg9k Christinaity is not a Greek religion, Paganism is Greek, Christianity is a Jewish one, which you have killed in the past.
The Albanian republic has had 4 official religions since foundation, including Orthodox Christianity. There's many Christian Albanians, although the majority is Muslim.
No one's saying that you have Albanian national identity, they're saying you're descendants of the Albanian people, that's all, which is true. You can never be real Greeks because there's no blood connection to the ancient ones. No one cares about your fake ass Greek identify, they banned your native tongue Arvanitika, because they hate it, and you lost the only thing that was really yours.
KESU
he says arvanites, dorians are the people real? The arvanites were extinct from their home Albanian Muslims??
Iam arvanit half and iam greek 100000% na zisi o ellinismos
You are Albanian heritage... is that a problem? Of course not, lol.
Fatti DNA e ti do la parola che ti rimborso io la fattura. Postalo insieme al mio su questa chat. E vedremo tutti che sei più albanese di me anche
Ti sfido
arvanits hahaha big albania
arvanitas albania autokton
Shnet Falco,por Elna Ksaqi jav tregon te vertreten.
I am ARVANITIS and proud GREEK. Stop your lies.
@@gledianlalushllari9577 Leave the Arvanites alone. They spit on you.
Hundred years ago you didn't even know what you were and now you speak for others.
@@freddieflunder5963 I think that Greeks confuse Albanian ethnicity with the Albanian republic. If a French guy wants to be Albanian and comes and lives here, he's not Albanian, he's a French minority living in Albania, they have Albanian citizenship, but they're not Albanian, they can't be even if they want, the same as I or you can't be a Slav. Slavs are born so.
In Greece, anyone can become Greek as long as they accept Christianity and speak modern Greek, and there's no recognition of any minority. So that's what you're confusing, ethnicity with nationality. So, Arvanites are Albanian who live in Greece and have Greek national identity, but not Greek blood. They have nothing to do with the Albanian republic of 1912.
@@gledianlalushllari9577 Anthropology and recent genetic studies deny that Albanians and Arvanites are the same.
Language ≠ ethnicity.
ARVANITAS SHQIPTAR DERI VDEKJE
Ok ALBENIAN you now the other joke with Turkish?😂😂😂🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
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The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times.
The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, unfortunately went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology).
During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock.
After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed.
Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers.
The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today
"Greece" as well.
Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture
for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them.
So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the
place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece".
Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek
civilization.
This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in.
Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail.
It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian
(Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece").
There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above.
One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a
name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right.
By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today.
Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it.
Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something
else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing.
All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called
"Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them.
The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
Arvanites,whatever they were(Albanians or Greeks or mixed),fought for the Greek liberty.Not for the Albanian liberty.The major ship of Bubulina had the name “Agamemnon”and not “Sqiptar liberty”.
Btw I have no problem with Albanians.They are good persons.Peace.
Nevertheless, Arvanites spoke Arvanitka = Old Albanian Language
What Agamemnon means in ur language romie?
If Arvanites wasn’t there… would you exist from now?
@@GimPukaleshi-Kurtishi You exist because your Ottoman collaboration.
@@illyrian3949 He was the king of Mycenae
🇦🇱🇬🇷🇲🇰🇲🇪🇽🇰🔴⚫Ilirian
Ke harru token ne bosne ne kroaci e serbi e itali ku ka autokton shqipetar
Mother's name Viosava, Father's Name Jovan ?? Sisters names, Mara , Jelena, Andzelia, Mamica, Vlajka, and brothers Stanisa, Repos and Kostadin.
Thanks
Χαχαχαχαχα καμιά σχέση με την Αλβανία δεν έχει η Ελλάδα ούτε οι Αρβανίτες γτ Έλληνες είναι και αυτοί μεγάλε α και ένα λάθος να σε διορθώσω το Κόσοβο είναι της Σερβίας 😉😉😉🇬🇷🇷🇸🇷🇺 🇷🇸=🇽🇰 🔵⚪ORTHODOX BROTHERS
@@user-ug6te2hn1t his father name was gjon kastrioti.
Kastriote were not Catholics, Sorry. His father's name was Jovan.They were Orthodoxs christians. Talk to your albanian historians.@@lorianmartini9280
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O gjeorgjadhi dhen ine historjan dhen kseri tipota kati historia dhe glosa tis Albania's tis ilirias mas
ARVANITES IS ALBANIA🇦🇱 EPIRUS IS ALBANIA🇦🇱
Buhaahaaa 🤣🐣🇦🇱🐣🤣