Can you do a video breaking down throttle input during these turns? That’s the one thing that I can’t quite figure out and it’s difficult to tell when you are pressing forward vs backward vs strafe only. Thanks!
This is one of those key elements of dogfighting that a new player just wouldn't know, so I'm really glad you're highlighting it here. Just another example of why so recommend your videos to everyone who wants to improve in space combat!
Classic 45-45-90 triangle mathematics for why pitch+yaw rates combined are a tighter turn. Both pitch and yaw are at 110 deg/s each, but combined they are ~155 deg/s.
just what i was hoping for, a new video :D Very nice fight. hopefully we will see more atmo fights soon since players will be doing bounty's in them more hopefully people get more comfortable with it and we see more atmo content (its my favorite)
This is true not only for gimballed mav thruster ships like the Sabre, but also fixed mav thruster ships like the Talon. If you don't believe A1, go into free flight, and try fully deflecting pitch, and time how long it takes you to rotate 360 degrees 10 times. Then compare how long it takes to do the same thing with a combination full deflection of pitch and yaw. -Etogreen
This depends highly on the ship you are flying. Some ships you definitely dont want to 45 trans in them. Because your yaw thrust is so low that it hurts you more than it helps you to just fight in pitch. *cough* Hawk *cough*
Great tips man. I like my Sabre but it's really not stealthy as no matter how low your IR or EM gets, cross-section is still over 9000 which is detectable pretty far out. From a top profile it's as big as a tennis court so you have to be on top of your game to not get lit up
45 kinda feels more of a given, since fighter aircraft in atmo turn at a 45 bank But I've also just in general discovered on accident if me and an NPC are doing circle ballet I turn to an angle and can put rounds on target where before they were just outside of it
I feel this is incorrect for aircraft. They need to use their lift vector for fastest turn rate. That is just how aerodynamics work on planes. Put the wings in orientation so the lift vector is directly at the target, not at a 45. You would end up just barrel rolling around your target with 45 degree vector. Yaw is used to fine tune the point of aim, but yaw is much less effective than the lift vector in atmo flight.
@@Power5 I'm not talking about in dog fighting, I meant purely that whenever you for instance see fighter aircraft break off they always bank 45 and rudder yaw + pitch
@@Anvarynn that is called a coordinated turn. The yaw is just used to keep nose coordinated. If you bank an aircraft and pull back on stick to turn, the plane will want to nose towards the opposite side of the roll. This is called adverse yaw and is due to aerodynamic differences between the lift of each wing.
Very good videos. Learning a lot. What I recognized in your videos, you have your scm speed limiter deactivated. I thought that this will have negative effects on your fighting performance. Can you please explain, why you are doing this?
I saw you managing the energy for shields and weapons so fast and effective. Would you share on how to do that? Awesome combat flying. Showing great skills there. Thanks for this share.
Bro can you do a video on Vanduul ships such as Blade and Glaive..like any suggestions where these ships should stand and how CIG should change them to make them viable. I personally would love to see Blade compete vs Gladius and Arrow with verity of weapons.. I've been out for 2 months. due to pc issues ... enjoying your videos
I owe you an apology. I was a little rude in your one video about the ion. You clearly know what you're doing and talking about. So I am sorry for how I acted. Thank you for the great tips.
Do you use head tracking, or are you just using the analog sticks on your Virpil to look around? If so, which version of look are you using because you do it so effortlessly whereas I cannot.
How to understand quickly ? Check your G Force instrument, and find the max G force you can do when you are turning... Then, you will know how to max turn with your Sabre or any ship... It is called = Flight Mechanics
It's funny how all of the tactics used for modern-day flight sims like aligning your pitch angle to the opponent's vector to maximize turn rate just isn't applicable in Star Citizen.
@@Avenger__One some drano or some penicillin may be in order. Hope you are feeling better today. Your videos would not be the same with subtitles and a gal in a little box doing sign language down in the corner.
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Can you do a video breaking down throttle input during these turns? That’s the one thing that I can’t quite figure out and it’s difficult to tell when you are pressing forward vs backward vs strafe only. Thanks!
This is one of those key elements of dogfighting that a new player just wouldn't know, so I'm really glad you're highlighting it here. Just another example of why so recommend your videos to everyone who wants to improve in space combat!
Excellent video and explanation on each step of your dogfights. That poor Retaliator was a proper bullet sponge =D
Classic 45-45-90 triangle mathematics for why pitch+yaw rates combined are a tighter turn. Both pitch and yaw are at 110 deg/s each, but combined they are ~155 deg/s.
THANK YOU so much! This detail did a great difference for me! I’m still quite the rookie pilot, but this helped me a lot in my dogfighting!
Nice, I didn't know when you should 45 degree vs full pitch. Now I know the idea
just what i was hoping for, a new video :D
Very nice fight. hopefully we will see more atmo fights soon since players will be doing bounty's in them more hopefully people get more comfortable with it and we see more atmo content (its my favorite)
This is true not only for gimballed mav thruster ships like the Sabre, but also fixed mav thruster ships like the Talon. If you don't believe A1, go into free flight, and try fully deflecting pitch, and time how long it takes you to rotate 360 degrees 10 times. Then compare how long it takes to do the same thing with a combination full deflection of pitch and yaw.
-Etogreen
This depends highly on the ship you are flying. Some ships you definitely dont want to 45 trans in them. Because your yaw thrust is so low that it hurts you more than it helps you to just fight in pitch. *cough* Hawk *cough*
Great tips man. I like my Sabre but it's really not stealthy as no matter how low your IR or EM gets, cross-section is still over 9000 which is detectable pretty far out. From a top profile it's as big as a tennis court so you have to be on top of your game to not get lit up
Really thank you for lighting these deep "tips"
Good stuff my bro!
45 kinda feels more of a given, since fighter aircraft in atmo turn at a 45 bank
But I've also just in general discovered on accident if me and an NPC are doing circle ballet I turn to an angle and can put rounds on target where before they were just outside of it
that was my impression as well, but I just had a hunch that it kinda worked well. Good to see someone with knowledge and skill analysing it!
I feel this is incorrect for aircraft. They need to use their lift vector for fastest turn rate. That is just how aerodynamics work on planes. Put the wings in orientation so the lift vector is directly at the target, not at a 45. You would end up just barrel rolling around your target with 45 degree vector. Yaw is used to fine tune the point of aim, but yaw is much less effective than the lift vector in atmo flight.
@@Power5 I'm not talking about in dog fighting, I meant purely that whenever you for instance see fighter aircraft break off they always bank 45 and rudder yaw + pitch
@@Anvarynn that is called a coordinated turn. The yaw is just used to keep nose coordinated. If you bank an aircraft and pull back on stick to turn, the plane will want to nose towards the opposite side of the roll. This is called adverse yaw and is due to aerodynamic differences between the lift of each wing.
@@Power5 Oh I know, but it's incredibly effective, and efficient
Great combat breakdown! Is that a little dradis and FTL sound going on in the background? If so bonus points for some BSG love!
YOUR FRAKIN RIGHT!
A similar thing happens with forward and upward acceleration. Its faster than just one or the other.
Feeling better brother?
a little
That's good to hear
Very good videos. Learning a lot. What I recognized in your videos, you have your scm speed limiter deactivated. I thought that this will have negative effects on your fighting performance. Can you please explain, why you are doing this?
Thanks for the great videos! Why do you typically wait until after the merge before engaging? Emphasis on getting in a good position?
honor and respect in the battle my friend, it is the Klingon way I say. To die in glorious battle with a opponent, they deserve respect
I saw you managing the energy for shields and weapons so fast and effective. Would you share on how to do that? Awesome combat flying. Showing great skills there. Thanks for this share.
F5 = Weapons
F6 = THRUSTERS
F7 = Shields
F8 = Reset all
@@SICARiO_H88 Appreciate your help and very current topics. interesting, informative videos. stay awesome.
Oh hey, another technique I do passively while hauling cargo or mining.
Are you down thrusting slightly in these turns?
Bro can you do a video on Vanduul ships such as Blade and Glaive..like any suggestions where these ships should stand and how CIG should change them to make them viable. I personally would love to see Blade compete vs Gladius and Arrow with verity of weapons.. I've been out for 2 months. due to pc issues ... enjoying your videos
great vid! When is Ares Ion massacre coming out? :>
ep 100 friday, THE MEMES bruh you guys will love it
Thanks
I heard you guys have a discord. Where can i join?
Just wondering
Nevermind, found it!
With the Saber having a wide top & bottom are you talking that into consideration if you become the prey? If so how are mitigating your cross section?
I owe you an apology. I was a little rude in your one video about the ion. You clearly know what you're doing and talking about. So I am sorry for how I acted. Thank you for the great tips.
ITs all good brother :)
The single player practice mode seems challenging. How can I do 1v1 fights like this? Is there some setting I missed in the singles player pvp mode?
this is the PU my friend
Do you use head tracking, or are you just using the analog sticks on your Virpil to look around? If so, which version of look are you using because you do it so effortlessly whereas I cannot.
Difference between this and tricord?
Gold
Whats the loadout for the sabre?
How to understand quickly ? Check your G Force instrument, and find the max G force you can do when you are turning... Then, you will know how to max turn with your Sabre or any ship... It is called = Flight Mechanics
It's funny how all of the tactics used for modern-day flight sims like aligning your pitch angle to the opponent's vector to maximize turn rate just isn't applicable in Star Citizen.
Still don’t understand how he’s not on the green pip but still hitting it…?
Dude, you sound like crap lol. You are like the Crypt Keeper telling me how to fly. Thanks for this. Get some sleep and no more TikTok!
I know strep throtes a bitch
@@Avenger__One some drano or some penicillin may be in order. Hope you are feeling better today. Your videos would not be the same with subtitles and a gal in a little box doing sign language down in the corner.