I bought an Autoflex 3 years ago and put it on a Sim2 Max head. No fitting, just an expensive experiment. I really liked the feel of it and would hit a few really long drives. I took it in this year to see if any of the new offerings could beat the Autoflex. Nothing could match it. I spent a lot but now I'm saving a lot because I won't be buying anything new for a while.
gained 10-15 yards from my fitted driver. went with one level down to what autoflex suggested form flex. got lucky there was a demo autoflex at my golf shop. immediately broke my PB in longest distance for my driver
Great video. Being a senior golfer with about a 90mph driver swing, I am always looking for more distance. I played the autoflex 405 for a while and found it to be too soft and wobbly. If you have to change your whole swing to fit a shaft, it's the wrong shaft for you. Played around with the various autoflex type shafts and ended up with the Accra fx 140 M0. It is not the same feeling as autoflex. Much more stable and as you found out is way more accurate. At first, I was playing at 45.5" and would hit the occasional bomb, but dispersion was a little bit wide. So I shortened it to 45" by taking 1/4" off the tip and the butt. Now it's very controllable and predictable and when flushed long too. I feel Accra is a bit stiffer than other brands. Turfinteractionsgolf mentioned the TPT shafts and I was looking into the Power 20 or 21 Hi as an alternative too as my shaft guy now carries the brand. The TPTs have very similar cpm, weight and torque as compared to the Accra. The TPT offers some high tech materials and construction that nobody else does. Why can't I just be happy with what I have now that works?
I am a longer hitter and put the new XX auto flex into my current driver and immediately added easily 10 to 15 yards and tightened up my dispersion. Unfortunately, I was just trying out a friend and haven’t gotten it myself, but I was blown away with how much of an improvement I got immediately I was averaging around 305 inside on the simulator. And was getting 320 to 325 with the auto flex. I felt like I could swing harder and not get punished for it so I was even creeping up to the 330 range. It was so laser straight to it literally felt like cheating. From a feel perspective, it felt much softer. When I flushed the driver, it gave a much nicer impact feel than my traditional Ventus white S-Stiff. I haven’t ponied up the money, but if this new version can perform anything like the auto flex, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It’s hard to justify $700 for shaft and I have the matching shaft lineup in my five and three hybrid, which means it would cost $2100 to do all three graphite shafts, which is absolutely insane. I didn’t have my swing speed measured, but I’m typically about a 121 -122 with the Ventus. would be curious to see if it was from an increase in swing speed or just timing up the delivery of the club had much better which is how it felt
That's great, but I would say go to a decent fitting place and try some other alternatives before shelling out all that money. In my opinion you will 100% be able to get that same performance out of something that doesn't cost the earth 😂👍
Really interesting test, you can adjust very quickly! Shows your knowledge and experience, it would take me a while or I’d need a lesson 😂 got a workout in at the end too! Never seen you without a jumper on 🤣
Definitely felt more controllable. Wouldn't have said it was too much more consistent tho tbf. Had a few misses with both. But don't think I'd game the Autoflex where I feel I could actually game that ACCRA
Most of the people I know with an Autoflex are 80-90 swing speed. I think that 85 (definitely no more than 90 to compare to your other tests) would be a nice test
Good test Ross. Not sure how many shots you hit in the first data set but some very consistent numbers with very small std deviation. Would love to see rest of data.
Thanks Nic. Didn't hit loads with both tbh as I was swinging and striking well tbh so didn't need too. And this wasn't a test of which shaft is better for me anyway, it was purely a speed test and it was apparent very quickly that there was no difference 😂
I swing anywhere between 112-117 depending on the day, I was fit into a X flex shaft last year, actually it worked pretty well for me but unfortunately it got damaged. When I went back to the fitting centre a few months ago to get a replacement I was messing around with softer shafts while I was waiting, turns out I loved the feel and after some real testing ended up with a TPT 18hi which is 235cpm, so kinda similar to what you're playing here. I hit about 30 balls and about 20 of them were the same shot. It's a bit lighter and way softer than the previous shaft, i feel it's less effort to swing and it's more consistent than my previous shaft so for me it was a no brainer. I just wish they had the even softer ones in stock that I could have tried to see if even softer still and even lighter would have worked even better for me but i'm more than happy with what I ended up with.
That's great to hear! Always having an open mind and willingness to test all sorts of things ends up with the best results. Glad you found something that you are super happy with 👌👍
@@epgolfstudios I think the fitters have to be open minded too. A lot of fitters wouldn't even consider putting me in a softer shaft, they'd say I'm too fast (I don't consider 112-117 fast at all BTW and I was averaging around 114 in the fitting), in fact I've heard that in previous fittings at other places "you're fast you need x stiff", so it's even more interesting that that's where I've ended up. But it's all good at the moment 👍
Really surprised you didn't see any club speed gain from the AF or Accra. I've been averaging about 95mph with my oem shaft, and then I tried an Autoflex and I'm cruising at 100mph (can hit 105 if I really get after it).
@@marklocke4062 don't have it here. Makes no difference anyway tbh but I think the results of the test speak for themselves in terms of the price point difference
Got an odd question, if I turned up at 6ft 4, quite a long back swing, smooth tempo, fairly smooth transition, swinging at 109-110 mph, play off 4, so hit an OK ball, what 2 shafts are you going to try me in for driver? Honestly just curious on your thinking based off that. 🤔
@@willfieldiii7150 depends on strike miss, directional miss, feel preference and tbh probably depends on what head i'd be trying as I fit mostly stock stuff 😂 but yeah it's really hard to say in all honesty. Probably something along the lines of the new Ventus Blue 5 X or the VF 5 X
@@epgolfstudios I'm in a tsr2 as of now, as the driver is possibly the weakest club in the bag. I love the look and feel of the tsr2. Just changed in to a Ventus blue 6S TR. Love the feel. Strike miss is a little toe side or low, both sides of the course have a possibility of being the miss. But I hate the left side tbh. Do prefer the feel of a lighter shaft over heavy, but like it to feel stiffer than softer.
Based on your comment around 15:10, I assume I’m not understanding downward deflection. If the Autoflex is whippier with more downward deflection wouldn’t we expect the strike to be higher on the face, not lower?
Depends if you're talking lead deflection or shaft droop. Lead deflection is the head kicking up and towards the ball so essentially overtaking the shaft, which can in turn move the strike down the face. Whereas shaft droop can move the strike slightly higher and more toward heel.
Yeah in fairness I think the Autoflex and things of that nature aren't really geared towards pros and better players. And some tour players did actually put it in the bag which was a huge shock. But yeah I just don't see it being worth that amount of money
The Autoflex shaft is NOT for pros or in my opinion for higher swing speed players. I picked up 15-20 yds carry but my clubhead speed is around 95 mph.
A Mitsubishi Vanquish against the Autoflex would seem to have been a more apples for apples comparison. In all reality if you are cheap or don’t have dispensable income ….. don’t look at Autoflex.
It would seem the Mitsubishi Vanquish would make a better comparison. Would anyone from the UK buy anything that isn’t black or dark blue anyway. Regardless of performance. 😂😂
I bought an Autoflex 3 years ago and put it on a Sim2 Max head. No fitting, just an expensive experiment. I really liked the feel of it and would hit a few really long drives. I took it in this year to see if any of the new offerings could beat the Autoflex. Nothing could match it. I spent a lot but now I'm saving a lot because I won't be buying anything new for a while.
gained 10-15 yards from my fitted driver. went with one level down to what autoflex suggested form flex.
got lucky there was a demo autoflex at my golf shop. immediately broke my PB in longest distance for my driver
Great video. Being a senior golfer with about a 90mph driver swing, I am always looking for more distance. I played the autoflex 405 for a while and found it to be too soft and wobbly. If you have to change your whole swing to fit a shaft, it's the wrong shaft for you. Played around with the various autoflex type shafts and ended up with the Accra fx 140 M0. It is not the same feeling as autoflex. Much more stable and as you found out is way more accurate. At first, I was playing at 45.5" and would hit the occasional bomb, but dispersion was a little bit wide. So I shortened it to 45" by taking 1/4" off the tip and the butt. Now it's very controllable and predictable and when flushed long too. I feel Accra is a bit stiffer than other brands. Turfinteractionsgolf mentioned the TPT shafts and I was looking into the Power 20 or 21 Hi as an alternative too as my shaft guy now carries the brand. The TPTs have very similar cpm, weight and torque as compared to the Accra. The TPT offers some high tech materials and construction that nobody else does. Why can't I just be happy with what I have now that works?
I tried a similar experiment. The light soft flex shaft went slighty further with more dispersion especially misses to the left.
Always good to see comparisons as close as you can get. Great job 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I play the TZ6 in my driver it’s like a ventus red on steroids. Best feeling shaft I’ve ever played
Yeah Accra do make some superb shafts 👌
I am a longer hitter and put the new XX auto flex into my current driver and immediately added easily 10 to 15 yards and tightened up my dispersion. Unfortunately, I was just trying out a friend and haven’t gotten it myself, but I was blown away with how much of an improvement I got immediately I was averaging around 305 inside on the simulator. And was getting 320 to 325 with the auto flex. I felt like I could swing harder and not get punished for it so I was even creeping up to the 330 range. It was so laser straight to it literally felt like cheating. From a feel perspective, it felt much softer. When I flushed the driver, it gave a much nicer impact feel than my traditional Ventus white S-Stiff.
I haven’t ponied up the money, but if this new version can perform anything like the auto flex, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It’s hard to justify $700 for shaft and I have the matching shaft lineup in my five and three hybrid, which means it would cost $2100 to do all three graphite shafts, which is absolutely insane.
I didn’t have my swing speed measured, but I’m typically about a 121 -122 with the Ventus. would be curious to see if it was from an increase in swing speed or just timing up the delivery of the club had much better which is how it felt
That's great, but I would say go to a decent fitting place and try some other alternatives before shelling out all that money. In my opinion you will 100% be able to get that same performance out of something that doesn't cost the earth 😂👍
Ventus white?
Very interesting and actually something I have recently been looking into trying
Just got fitted for a qi10 max with accra gx m3 150. Swing speed smooth 102mph. Very nice shaft & club combo.
Thanks for a great video! Would be interesting to see the Brava on your wall vs the Autoflex
clearly works for some
8mph increase in club speed
carry distance up 30 yards
Really interesting test, you can adjust very quickly! Shows your knowledge and experience, it would take me a while or I’d need a lesson 😂 got a workout in at the end too! Never seen you without a jumper on 🤣
That's because I'm always cold 😂😂😂
Awesome vid. So much info...not good for anyone who dropped $700#. Well done.
Thanks for this you’ve just saved me £500. Accra 100% or I’ll stick with my 60g Tensie
been waiting for this since the FX haha
The Accra looked more consistent and more controllable
Definitely felt more controllable. Wouldn't have said it was too much more consistent tho tbf. Had a few misses with both. But don't think I'd game the Autoflex where I feel I could actually game that ACCRA
Curious what shaft is your gamer?@@epgolfstudios
Most of the people I know with an Autoflex are 80-90 swing speed. I think that 85 (definitely no more than 90 to compare to your other tests) would be a nice test
Would really like to see how the accra performs with the ping g430 range esp the max
Love the channel, thanks for your hard work
Good test Ross. Not sure how many shots you hit in the first data set but some very consistent numbers with very small std deviation. Would love to see rest of data.
Thanks Nic. Didn't hit loads with both tbh as I was swinging and striking well tbh so didn't need too. And this wasn't a test of which shaft is better for me anyway, it was purely a speed test and it was apparent very quickly that there was no difference 😂
I tried 2 autoflex shafts and my consistency was bad I don't care if it goes longer now and then I'd rather have consistent strikes
I swing anywhere between 112-117 depending on the day, I was fit into a X flex shaft last year, actually it worked pretty well for me but unfortunately it got damaged. When I went back to the fitting centre a few months ago to get a replacement I was messing around with softer shafts while I was waiting, turns out I loved the feel and after some real testing ended up with a TPT 18hi which is 235cpm, so kinda similar to what you're playing here. I hit about 30 balls and about 20 of them were the same shot. It's a bit lighter and way softer than the previous shaft, i feel it's less effort to swing and it's more consistent than my previous shaft so for me it was a no brainer. I just wish they had the even softer ones in stock that I could have tried to see if even softer still and even lighter would have worked even better for me but i'm more than happy with what I ended up with.
That's great to hear! Always having an open mind and willingness to test all sorts of things ends up with the best results. Glad you found something that you are super happy with 👌👍
@@epgolfstudios I think the fitters have to be open minded too. A lot of fitters wouldn't even consider putting me in a softer shaft, they'd say I'm too fast (I don't consider 112-117 fast at all BTW and I was averaging around 114 in the fitting), in fact I've heard that in previous fittings at other places "you're fast you need x stiff", so it's even more interesting that that's where I've ended up. But it's all good at the moment 👍
Really surprised you didn't see any club speed gain from the AF or Accra. I've been averaging about 95mph with my oem shaft, and then I tried an Autoflex and I'm cruising at 100mph (can hit 105 if I really get after it).
I’m a bit new here. What is your normal swing speed?
Depends on what's going on with my swing 😂 apparently when I filmed this it was about 116/117
Why have you not used the Accra GX 140 M0 Flex shaft which is what the long drivers use and the one that’s quoted as a comparison to Autoflex
@@marklocke4062 don't have it here. Makes no difference anyway tbh but I think the results of the test speak for themselves in terms of the price point difference
I wonder if the Accra in the M0 flex would have been any different, what do you think?
Considering there was hardly any difference in these 3, I'd say no, more than likely would have been similar.
I'm back again 😂
Nice vid mate 👍🏼
😂 thanks mate
Got an odd question, if I turned up at 6ft 4, quite a long back swing, smooth tempo, fairly smooth transition, swinging at 109-110 mph, play off 4, so hit an OK ball, what 2 shafts are you going to try me in for driver?
Honestly just curious on your thinking based off that. 🤔
@@willfieldiii7150 depends on strike miss, directional miss, feel preference and tbh probably depends on what head i'd be trying as I fit mostly stock stuff 😂 but yeah it's really hard to say in all honesty. Probably something along the lines of the new Ventus Blue 5 X or the VF 5 X
@@epgolfstudios I'm in a tsr2 as of now, as the driver is possibly the weakest club in the bag. I love the look and feel of the tsr2. Just changed in to a Ventus blue 6S TR. Love the feel. Strike miss is a little toe side or low, both sides of the course have a possibility of being the miss. But I hate the left side tbh.
Do prefer the feel of a lighter shaft over heavy, but like it to feel stiffer than softer.
Thank God, somebody’s going to talk CPM
Just bought a 42” m0 flex and extended it to 43-3/4”. Only cost me $60 bucks, so why not test it out haha
Based on your comment around 15:10, I assume I’m not understanding downward deflection. If the Autoflex is whippier with more downward deflection wouldn’t we expect the strike to be higher on the face, not lower?
Depends if you're talking lead deflection or shaft droop. Lead deflection is the head kicking up and towards the ball so essentially overtaking the shaft, which can in turn move the strike down the face. Whereas shaft droop can move the strike slightly higher and more toward heel.
Great stuff. What was the playing length?
45.75"
Did you say if the Auto was 505x or xx?
505XX
Do the main big box golf stores in the states carry both shafts?
Absolutely no idea to be completely honest with you. I wouldn't have thought so, but I've never been to the states so unsure
You need to test it on a swing speed less than 80/hour .
We have done a few times in fits
@@epgolfstudios did it work for low swing speed?
@harbinguy1 no it doesn’t
There’s a new autoflex and the price is even worst then the old one .. no idea who had 2k aud to buy it here
Madness isn't it 🙈🙈😂
What model Accra?
GX 140 M2
I’ve said it before but if these shafts were legitimately better, most of the pros would use them.
Yeah in fairness I think the Autoflex and things of that nature aren't really geared towards pros and better players. And some tour players did actually put it in the bag which was a huge shock. But yeah I just don't see it being worth that amount of money
The Autoflex shaft is NOT for pros or in my opinion for higher swing speed players. I picked up 15-20 yds carry but my clubhead speed is around 95 mph.
@@razor7241I have the same speed which shaft do you use, 505 or 505x?
@@waynewashington278 I use the 405 SF
A Mitsubishi Vanquish against the Autoflex would seem to have been a more apples for apples comparison. In all reality if you are cheap or don’t have dispensable income ….. don’t look at Autoflex.
It would seem the Mitsubishi Vanquish would make a better comparison. Would anyone from the UK buy anything that isn’t black or dark blue anyway. Regardless of performance. 😂😂
First!
😅 love it
The only way it would be worth so much would be if it produced a hole in one on every par 4.
totally missing the point
you do not thrash the autoflex
for a senior it’s a no brainer 30!yards gained with minimal effort
As I said in the video I've tested with slower speeds previously and never seen any significant gains with it