Dodge messed up when they gave people time to think because most car buying is done impulsively. But if you give a person time to think then 6 times of 10 they will change their minds.
Exactly right. Now only did they have time to think about payments and such, but they also got to see a boatload of racing videos where the 392s and hellcats were getting beat bad. Before 2020 I swear you couldn’t convince a dodge owner that they could lose to a Chevy or Ford. Also the crime associated with Dodges makes it too risky now.
I was in the market until I found an 08 SRT8 with only 230 miles on it. Paid $35,000 for it, I know it's not as fast as a new one but I really like this car.
That’s a really good move! I’m doing the same but going for a mustang you can get a GT with low miles for 33k I’m not paying these wild prices for used cars.
@@income404 There are a lot of them out there, people bought those thinking they were making an investment and hardly drove them, same thing is going to happen with Last Call cars.
They are nice cars but overpriced and the younger owners are arrogant. Community is a big part of ownership. Have a friend who special ordered a Scat Pack and got rid of it due to the younger Hellcat and Charger owners harassing behavior on the road. May be fine as an investment (doubt it) considering current depreciation and long term regulations.
@@qdog5678I may have to pay 100k for my jailbreak 717 cat, I may have to pay 105k or so but I have good credit with a good down payment but jailbreaks are like 140k loll
OC Motivator is absolutely correct. Dealers don’t take you seriously unless you’re prepared to buy that day. Go to your bank or credit union first and know your best financing deal so when they try and screw you on the interest rate you know what should be offered. Refuse to pay markups and the add on game like paint protection theft protection etc. You don’t need that junk. Plus if your paying cash for God’s sake don’t tell them. When they ask how you are going to pay just say you’re willing to see what the finance officer has to offer you. And when they ask what your payment should be tell them as low as possible.
How do you avoid the b.s. add ons like the unnecessary accessories? It seems like that’s a common thing for dealers to add to a car whether you want it or not
@@TwoLuckii I broke and bought my charger with the add ons because they lowered the price of the car. But I got my sons car without them. Email all your local dealers they will call you back and tell them you’re ready and willing to buy a car but don’t want the add ons. One dealer may give in.
Fact is mark up is a negotiation tactic now it’s to make you feel like your getting a great deal, banks won’t loan more then the cars worth excluding tax,lic, reg so you have to put more cash down, the dealerships are also paying huge rates on their floor plan after 60 days. I was just at Tuttle Click in Irvine picking up my wagoneer and they have the most Challengers I have ever seen most with a $20k mark up. No matter what never pay markup on anything no matter what you pay for it in the back end trust me, and Never, never go in to a dealership and buy the car, everything is done via text and email and all you should care about is the total OTD price never payments, only 2 reasons you physically go to a dealership is to test drive and NOT buy, and the 2nd time to sign the deal that’s it…
They will start to put rebates on these cars by December, plus Dodge will give dealers dealer cash to move these vehicles. I have over 10 years experience in the auto industry so trust me this will happen.
Awesome video as always and spoken from the heart! As I’ve said in previous videos I am considered a “Chevy Guy”. Because I currently own a 2022 ZL1/1LE and a 2023 Z06/Z07! But, because of you sir, I picked up a 2023 RAM TRX Havoc edition just two days ago! I had to go way out of my state for it, but, it was worth it! I was able to land the tuck for just under $76,000! The dealership I dealt with was great all the way around! After months and months of research, I feel as though for the price I got the truck and with only eleven miles on it, I made out very well! So, now the Chevy Guy has a Mopar in the garage. Oh dear Jesus! However, my wife blames you!!! 🤣🤣🤣
You should feel so special to have got to spend so much money on a hunk of plastic with big power. It doesn't matter if vehicles were 5 times the price people like you would stick your nose up the big Automakers ass. If people would wake up and just not buy for just one season that would send Detroit the message and prices would drop. But oh no yall gotta keep up with the Jones or be the Jones make me wanna Puke and yeah by the way I could buy what I wanted but I'm nor stupid
Thank you for all the information you give all of us!!!! I am definitely taking your advice and waiting a bit. I have a 2020 Challenger RT Plus that I want to upgrade to a Redeye wide body Challenger or a Scat Pack, but I'm not going to let a car dealer benefit more from my hard earned money than me!!! Again, thank you for all the great content. Keep it coming.
Keep up the good work of educating folks that just aren't as business savvy. I'm still fairly bitter about the pricing tactics of the past year and have decided to just keep driving my 2015 Challenger SRT 392 6-speed. I hope the dealers choke on their overpriced 2023s. However ... I am curious about what the Dodge lineup is going to look like beyond the Hornet/Tonale.
Nothing wrong with not over paying. Let them be upside down. I chose not to contribute to their inflated profits. How can a car that was 38,000 or 40,000 thousand be worth 55,000 65,000 thousand? They wear and tear. I choose not to buy period. All they did was make parts and insurance to go up if I wanted a mechanic in my pockets I would have just bought a used Range Rover.
I say after the final Durango SRT dodge is going to plummet when that new charger comes out. I can see the average person buying it for point A or B, but dodge always catered to enthusiasts and now they're trying to get into the ev scene was a slap in the face to their main audience. If dodge did what Chevy is currently doing with the corvette E - ray with the challenger or charger, then I could see them still apart of the holy trinity.
OCM's guidance definitely worked out for me. My challenger was the first new car I ever purchased, and it was the easiest vehicle purchase I ever made. Listened to the knowledge he dropped on this channel, decided exactly to spec what I wanted, called 5 dealerships across the country that had it in stock and told them all I'll purchase from whichever one of them sells it to me at sticker within the next 7 days. Only took 3 days... and even after I told the other dealerships they lost on the sale, they still tried to get me to buy, now at sticker... smh This man knows his fun and his finances. Hang tight, he's gotchu 👍
Great video.....absolutely nailed it....I've said the same thing...been to several dealerships around my area and prices are dropping quickly....its nice to see people say no when they have a 2500 markup😂
That's a damn shame the way they mark cars up. To me, it's crazy that you'd have to go into a car dealership and "negotiate" them to sell it at sticker. My problem is that multiple times I would go into a dealership and they would try to play me for stupid and I always did my homework before going but now I don't deal with dealerships anymore because they ruined it for me. I could see if we could actually drive the cars the way they were designed to be driven.
In the 80's a car dealership was selling VW Rabbits. Big sign said 6,000 on trade in, and the car was 12,000 new. So some sales guy ran the numbers & said 22,300. I said that's not possible with my trade in, so he went over it again. They had 7,000 for dealer prep! I said goodbye.
I followed your advice, yesterday the dealer finally accepted my offer, 4k below the sticker. jeep wrangle 392. 20th anniversary 2023... Was 5k markup over stiker windows lol ...I can not be happier. thank you! If you go through Florida you are invited to a good meal!
OC, You are spot on an intelligent man or woman would not pay over sticker price for any vehicle the second that you sign the paperwork and drive off the dealership lot the vehicle has automatically depreciated. I am the proud owner of a 2016 Charger HellCat with 32k on it and it still looks like it did the day that me and my wife purchased it back in October of 2016. Keep the great content coming.
This is a great video, informing people about mark ups on cars. Other manufactures have done this so many times with other sports cars Corvettes , and others ,we all have to think about something if no one is unwilling to pay ridiculously over sticker price cars they’re not gonna be able to sell them and they’ll have no choice to lower the price of the car ,, Everyone has to hold tight and stand strong be patient and don’t be impulsive , which I understand I’m a total gearhead and I can be very impulsive, these are incredible cars and they know it !! The collectors are going to want one , the racers are going to want one along with gearheads racers like myself ,, we, the people are the ones that are gonna dictate the gouging of these cars. That’s why we need to stand strong. Be patient and wait.
I’m loving your content on how the car market is going right now. I own a 2021 Challenger and wan to trade it in on a 2023. Your information really helps! Please keep going.
I just inquired on a TRX. The markup was $30k, eventually came down to $15k. I still would not pay over sticker but what really worried me was the 10 mpg city average. I will stay with the V6 Raptor, plenty fast enough for the street. If I want to go fast I will drive my other car.
@@HotDropGuapait doesn't really matter anymore, the TRX is pretty much dead at this point, it's getting replaced by the RAM 1500 RHO 500 and something hp. They completely went backwards.
Brad, great video. Thank you for sharing these stories of your conversation/comments from your subscribers. They played the game so very well, exactly what you have been saying for the past several months. The law of supply and demand is now swinging to the consumer’s favor. Let’s be honest, interest rates are not coming down anytime soon and may even rise. The educated consumer who is patient will make very good deals as more of these cars show up on dealer lots by the end of the year and just sit there because the people that purchased these cars on impulse in the past paying these ridiculous markups can’t do it. I want a Redeye Challenger Widebody, but I won’t allocate a nickel over what I originally budgeted or would be willing to spend for a car in this economic climate. That money has to go to better investment opportunities, and not to a car that, unless it’s your Demon 170, won’t be worth more than you originally paid for it. Stay strong my friends, your patience will soon be rewarded. In any event, you won’t make a serious financial mistake that will hurt you and your family. I’m a Mopar guy, and I love these cars, but not to the point of economic hardship. Keep these videos coming Brad, as they are a great source of information and reality checks that people need to have. The videos are very cool too, can’t forget the entertainment value.
I traded my 21 Widebody Scat last week and cashed in on the $20k in equity. They told me they would sell it within 2 days and there's bit not even a nibble. I think I made the right decision and will sit back and scoop up a Hellcat or Scat Pack Shaker when they are begging for ppl to take the cars.
Thanks again Brad. Love the vids. I found a dealership with over 90 Challengers most of which are hellcats😊. They want to sell me one at sticker. But they are low balling me on my 2022 3500 miles ScatPack. I’m holding out for sure especially with over 90 Challengers! Keeping my fingers crossed . 🙏
I live in the SF bay area. Five months ago a Dodge dealership priced a hellcat widebody challenger at 90,000 over MSRP , I went to the dealership yesterday and had them at 4K over MSRP. I told the guy call me when I can get msrp. The challenger widebody scat pack and hellcat are stacking up on dealers lots. Be patient and they will start fighting for our business with rebates and price cuts
Nothing will happen until the current Administration is replaced. The economy is in the gutter, inflation is sky high and everything is more expensive.
got a cherry red 2015 Dodge Challenger R/T with 18k miles that was salvage/rebuilt all the bells and whistles for $15k..!! car runs and rides great.. put 3k miles on it the last 6 months.. man what a fun car.. she's a looker to boot!
I'm not in the market at the moment will be in about 10-11 months, I myself have a narrow body 2017 scatpack with the shaker package only about 29,000 miles on it , seeing all your content and other mopar youtubers makes me double guess my decision but I'm most likely leaving dodge and getting myself a M4 Comp I just can't stand that my friends 2020 honda has a better interior than my car lmao! great info as always OC.
Patience is the key to a successful purchase at a good price. The dealers will eventually have to start moving some of those cars and when they are ready that's when you pounce. He is giving everyone some really good advice about this situation that's unfolding with the market. I agree wholeheartedly with him about waiting for the right moment because it will come and you will be glad that you did.
Well, yea, compared to a few years ago, ALL cars are more expensive, unfortunately. You're literally getting the SAME car from pre-COVID but for thousands (plural) of dollars more.
I wrote off the new generation of Mopar's when the Hellcat first came out. I was going to buy one and went to a dealer in the Vegas area and they had the audacity to add on a dealer bend you over market adjustment price of $18,000. That was the last day I ever stepped on one of their crooked dealers.
Aye. I am literally at the dealership right now. The salesman just told me face to face. They have tons of them coming in here at this dealership in Michigan. I came and looked at a scatpack 2 weeks ago. The salesman told me they had to find someone to buy all of them because they have more coming in and the ones they’ve had was sitting for too long. He said don’t rush to buy because they were giving discounts in order to sell the ones they had and the ones that are coming will be the same after so long. I’m still going to wait to get a good deal and they are selling MSRP or under. Also, I work for Chrysler. I hope we don’t strike but it’s looking kinda tight. We have soooo many cars in our lot waiting to get shipped it’s thousands just at my plant.
I just picked up a 2023 Scat Pack Shakedown Edition for $500. under MSRP. Dealer also took off the $998. dealer prep fee. They also matched my banks interest rate for financing. I made the deal on the last weekend of the month and took delivery on the last day of the month. The dealership delivered the car to my house 102 miles away free of charge. The waiting actually paid off. Woooooo 22:09
I went to purchase a Dodge Cummings diesel $82,500 with the add-ons. 833 credit score and the feds raised the interest rates the day before. We did a mockup with my credit. $35k down 7.5 rate even with my own credit union. $1,400.00 a month on a 4yr loan. I was blown away because I shoulda been 2.5-3.0 rate & was expecting $700 a month area.The dealer said just refinance when the rates drop. I was thinking so it would be ok to just throw away $700 a month until hopefully the feds lower the rates. Absolutely no way because I make my money valuable as best as I can.
I don't think anyone is going to buy anything. I was in the market but the inflation alone on groceries, rent, light bill, and water bill increased dramatically. The lot below my house has so many of my friends exotics that it is an indication, no one is buying anything. It would be smart for us all to pay down our debts to get this inflation back in order. I sold my car 4 months ago and I'm watching friends get low balled like crazy. If you got the money to get it though, I so agree to be the dream customer at a dealership. Not a sucker but just nice and negotiate.
I packed up my Scat Pack Challenger in Springfield Missouri for $43k. Its a 2021 indgo blue withba 6 speed. Dont know if that was a good deal, but i wanted it and bought it. I love it and do not regret my purchase.
This is why I’m holding out until next later next year to purchase a pre owned hell cat. You have to move along with the market instead of jumping on to a deal that’s going to leave you broke. Gotta move smart out here
You are right. I was at the local CDJR dealership yesterday to look over the Chrysler 300 inventory. There were 2 pre owned cars and 2 brand new 2023 cars. None had the 5.7 Hemi engine. But, I saw several Challenger Scat Pack Last Call cars and approximately 8 new hellcat powered Challengers and Chargers.
Ya,had a dealership on their site list msrp on a ZR2. I call them up to give me an out the door price so when i check it out it has above msrp, then on discounts and rebates list -3000. So i think oh, they marked it up and it back to MSRP to make me think its a good deal. Nope, they listed their dealer mark up as a negative deal 😂. I laughed at them over the phone and said "sorry, i got the check in my hand from navy fed to buy today, but guess you're not interested" and then hung up
Love your Swinger! We got our new Swinger in the F8 color two weeks ago at sticker price. Someone special ordered it and then backed out. I feel like there are so few of these still at dealerships that the price won’t fall before they are gone. It’s a head turner at the local gatherings for sure!
The same thing is happening with the new Mustangs and Mustang Dark horse. I see people who have put deposits over MSRP and even at MSRP backing away from their orders on a couple of forums I follow.
Th ones who just HAD to have one, those folks did not mind the mark up. Higher interest rates, uncertain economy, and rising gas prices are other key factors as well.
Yeah, I went to a dealership for my 2nd car. Plates taxes and registration at the dmv would've been about 200 dollars. They wanted 800 for the same service and it was mandatory for a sale. They have some shit to fix before I ever go back to one.
Very good Video,This channel isn't a car channel ,this is so much more,The knowledge that someone get get if they just listen and absorb is priceless,this is stuff u can literally go thru life using.
I sat down at the Dodge dealer and proceeded to configure a last call $62k Challenger ScatPack. That was my budget. At the end of the configuration they mentioned the $10k ADM. I walked, and they let me. I’m still sour about it. If I ever own a ScatPack it’ll be years from now.
Don’t forget people don’t want to buy a car that is highly likely to be targeted for crimes and used to commit crimes. Also people really got a chance to see that after 2019 dodge didn’t have the fastest cars anymore and it still looks exactly the same as a 2015 but the price is significantly higher. The looks part isn’t a bad thing because honestly the challenger and charger 392s and hellcats can have that body style forever and I’d think they were still some of the coolest looking and sounding cars. Others don’t feel that way. The interior is nice but they don’t even offer racing seats of any kind as an option. Also the aftermarket for dodge just can’t compare to anyone they compete against. Now people that had 392s and hellcats drive zl1s, modded SS camaros and modded 5.0s.
I offered a dealer MSRP on a Hellcat widebody challenger 2 months ago. They still have been trying to get me back in 2 months later for the same damn car. They are not moving off the lots right now. I laughed at them yesterday and said how much under Invoice are you going to sell it to me for ;)
I have a 2020 Scat Pack 48K list price. I paid 41K. Today the same car built in the configurator is almost 54K! Even at sticker the 2023 is not worth anywhere near that amount in my opinion!! Nuts. In reality Dodge as a company it’s just going for a big money grab for a car that has zero mechanical updates since 2020! The 2020 dodge challenger scat pack, is exactly the same car today! Nuts. I’m so glad I purchased when I did. I do daily drive the car so a hellcat was out of the question when you live with her is a lot of snow.. at least, on a narrow body Scatpack, you can buy 4 police rims & blizacks tires!
Last 7 days of the month,is the best time to get a deal,that’s when the sales manager wants to make his sales #s for the month. If he can deliver the car by the end of the month, that helps him.
The Matthew story with the Shakdown order at 10k over & then got it 2k under MSRP is epic! Way to hold strong with these dealers! I got my widebody SP at near Power Dollars days pricing. Id love to get a last call car but im not gonna spend 15-20k more for the same car!
Yea bought a 2019 during power dollar days plus dealer discount and usaa car buying program, saved like 9700. $33200 out the door. Almost got stolen twice . Sold it last year for $47000, I was afraid to take it anywhere.
You're in your car and it's running? Your advice is absolutely right. I'm guessing your savings is going to pay for gas...I'm waiting, I've been waiting, and I believe they are going to get even cheaper. if I don't get a new one, I'll get a used one.
"market adjustments" move in both directions ya'll! If you want a RAM pickup most dealerships cannot give them away. In some cases 15K off MSRP. Later this year things look to be prime for purchase.
I remember GM having buy one get one free sale on Silverado pickup trucks after the 2008 financial crisis. Unless they drop the price to $25-$30k and offer some low or zero interest they’re going to be stuck with a bunch of cars.
I recently bought a Daytona 392. I really wanted a widebody but I ran into the markup bull crap. I found a few that claimed to sell at sticker but wanted a trade and to finance with them so they could steal from the back of the deal. I did end up paying under sticker for my Daytona but I feel like I had to settle to not be ripped off. Either way I’m not going to get taken on a car it’s not that important.
Dealership I ordered a charger redeye. Has two hellcat cats for sale. The hotel I am currently staying at Tuesday night a car hauler was carrying two charger hellcat as well. When I was working near Michigan the car hauler had charger and challenger hellcat. Been looking for a redeye so far I haven't found one yet.
I was in the market for a used Tacoma . I couldn't find a " reasonable" condition & milage & price on one . SO , I just bought a new one ( 30k out the door w/ life time drive train warrenty)
Sooooo glad I got my scat wb in 2022! Got 12k for a car I paid 15k for 5 years ago and, fortunately, had a buddy at a dodge dealership who honored msrp on my build.
I got extremely lucky last week. Happened to check the dodge main site to see if any challengers in a config I could live with were coming to any local dealers. Sure enough saw one was headed to a dealer I had previously visited, but they had nothing coming during the visit. When to the dealer the next day with the print out, and was like I want this, I have a 2015 for trade. The sales guy was surprised, he had no knowledge of anything coming in, but check on his end and saw that yeah, they had the car I was looking at it coming in for delivery in Oct. Turns out, I saw the car online just a few hours after it hit the system, the owner of the dealership, knew about this (he'd been allocated the car), and had intended to mark it up $20-30k. But since I was already there and paperwork was started, they didn't try and screw me around, so I got it at sticker. Probably helps it was an allocated car vs one they had ordered, and they already have 2 hellcats that have been collecting dust, and their lot is full of trucks and jeeps right now.
Well yea those dealer markups ate crazy!!!!. Most people purchase these cars because they want to not because they need to..... those prices aren't a want or need
I’m looking for a Challenger Redeye at near MSRP, I’m willing to pay up to 10k in markup. If I can’t find one, I’ll save myself 35k and get a ZL1 instead.
The standing inventory is the only thing available at all. No new Dodge Chargers, Challengers, or Chrysler 300's can be ordered at all. They are all discontinued/ orphaned and is one of the reasons no one is buying what they do have. They stopped production of the most popular 4 door sedan in the world. There won't be any EV versions. And, what they have right now is severely limited as to options available. Today, you can't get the metal pedals group, the updated radio, the red leather interior, cooled seats and a whole list of things. Except the price, the price is up 15k over the 2018.
Dodge messed up when they gave people time to think because most car buying is done impulsively. But if you give a person time to think then 6 times of 10 they will change their minds.
Exactly right. Now only did they have time to think about payments and such, but they also got to see a boatload of racing videos where the 392s and hellcats were getting beat bad. Before 2020 I swear you couldn’t convince a dodge owner that they could lose to a Chevy or Ford. Also the crime associated with Dodges makes it too risky now.
@@6ixspeedstang186who they was getting beat by?
For me it's 8.
I want a Mustang. But. That interest tho
@@zavexheart6935 interest rates are🤯
@@donnieb1991gt500 hands down all day...the redeye too
I was in the market until I found an 08 SRT8 with only 230 miles on it. Paid $35,000 for it, I know it's not as fast as a new one but I really like this car.
That’s a really good move! I’m doing the same but going for a mustang you can get a GT with low miles for 33k I’m not paying these wild prices for used cars.
Don’t have to be fast. That’s the OG. I rather the older ones anyway cause you can drive care free
That’s a steal I’ve been looking for 1 that year
@@income404 There are a lot of them out there, people bought those thinking they were making an investment and hardly drove them, same thing is going to happen with Last Call cars.
@@smacdiesel the price is staying up, I seen a hellcat Durango for 237k no typo.. but them the dealership close to me has one for 108k
It’s because $85k for a Hellcat is INSANE!!!
Some Hellcats are 95 to 100k which is insane
They are nice cars but overpriced and the younger owners are arrogant. Community is a big part of ownership. Have a friend who special ordered a Scat Pack and got rid of it due to the younger Hellcat and Charger owners harassing behavior on the road. May be fine as an investment (doubt it) considering current depreciation and long term regulations.
@@qdog5678I may have to pay 100k for my jailbreak 717 cat, I may have to pay 105k or so but I have good credit with a good down payment but jailbreaks are like 140k loll
How much are Demons?
@@nathangallegos9304 Demons start at 100k to 130k
not everyone can afford a 50k - 100k car these days. not to mention the mark-ups. so good luck with that dealers!
Bidononmics
@@amitamir1413- Come on now, gotta be PC about it. “Brandonomics.”
@@amitamir1413bet you’re a criminal like the Cheetos 45 😂
@@BeefGummybears bet you're unemployed like the "peaceful protesters "
@@HansBelphegorlove when they get called out and delete their comment 😅
OC Motivator is absolutely correct. Dealers don’t take you seriously unless you’re prepared to buy that day. Go to your bank or credit union first and know your best financing deal so when they try and screw you on the interest rate you know what should be offered. Refuse to pay markups and the add on game like paint protection theft protection etc. You don’t need that junk. Plus if your paying cash for God’s sake don’t tell them. When they ask how you are going to pay just say you’re willing to see what the finance officer has to offer you. And when they ask what your payment should be tell them as low as possible.
Who cares what dealers think
How do you avoid the b.s. add ons like the unnecessary accessories? It seems like that’s a common thing for dealers to add to a car whether you want it or not
@@TwoLuckii I broke and bought my charger with the add ons because they lowered the price of the car. But I got my sons car without them. Email all your local dealers they will call you back and tell them you’re ready and willing to buy a car but don’t want the add ons. One dealer may give in.
I’m going to wait a few more months to pick up a scat pack, waiting for the sales to hit
Stay down bro me too
im scared im gonna wait too long and they will disappear from the lot. when are they ending production?
Facts Bro Me As Well .. Let’s hope everything goes in our favor
The challies are made cheaply. Just letting you know. But they’re ridiculously beautiful.
@@ItsBlurrstrust me bro we’re good. They made a whole lot of them
Fact is mark up is a negotiation tactic now it’s to make you feel like your getting a great deal, banks won’t loan more then the cars worth excluding tax,lic, reg so you have to put more cash down, the dealerships are also paying huge rates on their floor plan after 60 days. I was just at Tuttle Click in Irvine picking up my wagoneer and they have the most Challengers I have ever seen most with a $20k mark up. No matter what never pay markup on anything no matter what you pay for it in the back end trust me, and Never, never go in to a dealership and buy the car, everything is done via text and email and all you should care about is the total OTD price never payments, only 2 reasons you physically go to a dealership is to test drive and NOT buy, and the 2nd time to sign the deal that’s it…
Banks will loan within a certain percentage over Loan to value. So they can get away with a certain amount of markup.
You are 100 percent correct. Used inventory is marked too high. They will be around for a good while. I bought a new RT at MSRP.
They will start to put rebates on these cars by December, plus Dodge will give dealers dealer cash to move these vehicles. I have over 10 years experience in the auto industry so trust me this will happen.
Hope so something has to give.
Credit crunch+high rates+stagnant wages= stagnant sales
Yep , December close to Christmas is when I bought almost all my cars and bikes.
Awesome video as always and spoken from the heart! As I’ve said in previous videos I am considered a “Chevy Guy”. Because I currently own a 2022 ZL1/1LE and a 2023 Z06/Z07! But, because of you sir, I picked up a 2023 RAM TRX Havoc edition just two days ago! I had to go way out of my state for it, but, it was worth it! I was able to land the tuck for just under $76,000! The dealership I dealt with was great all the way around! After months and months of research, I feel as though for the price I got the truck and with only eleven miles on it, I made out very well! So, now the Chevy Guy has a Mopar in the garage. Oh dear Jesus! However, my wife blames you!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Let your wife have a chat with his wife 😄
Can you please advise the name of that dealer? Looking for a TRX myself
You should feel so special to have got to spend so much money on a hunk of plastic with big power. It doesn't matter if vehicles were 5 times the price people like you would stick your nose up the big Automakers ass. If people would wake up and just not buy for just one season that would send Detroit the message and prices would drop. But oh no yall gotta keep up with the Jones or be the Jones make me wanna Puke and yeah by the way I could buy what I wanted but I'm nor stupid
Thank you for all the information you give all of us!!!! I am definitely taking your advice and waiting a bit. I have a 2020 Challenger RT Plus that I want to upgrade to a Redeye wide body Challenger or a Scat Pack, but I'm not going to let a car dealer benefit more from my hard earned money than me!!! Again, thank you for all the great content. Keep it coming.
Keep up the good work of educating folks that just aren't as business savvy.
I'm still fairly bitter about the pricing tactics of the past year and have decided to just keep driving my 2015 Challenger SRT 392 6-speed. I hope the dealers choke on their overpriced 2023s.
However ... I am curious about what the Dodge lineup is going to look like beyond the Hornet/Tonale.
Nothing wrong with not over paying. Let them be upside down. I chose not to contribute to their inflated profits. How can a car that was 38,000 or 40,000 thousand be worth 55,000 65,000 thousand? They wear and tear. I choose not to buy period. All they did was make parts and insurance to go up if I wanted a mechanic in my pockets I would have just bought a used Range Rover.
I say after the final Durango SRT dodge is going to plummet when that new charger comes out. I can see the average person buying it for point A or B, but dodge always catered to enthusiasts and now they're trying to get into the ev scene was a slap in the face to their main audience. If dodge did what Chevy is currently doing with the corvette E - ray with the challenger or charger, then I could see them still apart of the holy trinity.
OCM's guidance definitely worked out for me. My challenger was the first new car I ever purchased, and it was the easiest vehicle purchase I ever made.
Listened to the knowledge he dropped on this channel, decided exactly to spec what I wanted, called 5 dealerships across the country that had it in stock and told them all I'll purchase from whichever one of them sells it to me at sticker within the next 7 days.
Only took 3 days... and even after I told the other dealerships they lost on the sale, they still tried to get me to buy, now at sticker... smh
This man knows his fun and his finances. Hang tight, he's gotchu 👍
Great video.....absolutely nailed it....I've said the same thing...been to several dealerships around my area and prices are dropping quickly....its nice to see people say no when they have a 2500 markup😂
That's a damn shame the way they mark cars up. To me, it's crazy that you'd have to go into a car dealership and "negotiate" them to sell it at sticker. My problem is that multiple times I would go into a dealership and they would try to play me for stupid and I always did my homework before going but now I don't deal with dealerships anymore because they ruined it for me. I could see if we could actually drive the cars the way they were designed to be driven.
In the 80's a car dealership was selling VW Rabbits. Big sign said 6,000 on trade in, and the car was 12,000 new. So some sales guy ran the numbers & said 22,300. I said that's not possible with my trade in, so he went over it again. They had 7,000 for dealer prep! I said goodbye.
Probably the most honest and sincere video I've seen this week
I followed your advice, yesterday the dealer finally accepted my offer, 4k below the sticker. jeep wrangle 392. 20th anniversary 2023... Was 5k markup over stiker windows lol ...I can not be happier. thank you! If you go through Florida you are invited to a good meal!
OC, You are spot on an intelligent man or woman would not pay over sticker price for any vehicle the second that you sign the paperwork and drive off the dealership lot the vehicle has automatically depreciated. I am the proud owner of a 2016 Charger HellCat with 32k on it and it still looks like it did the day that me and my wife purchased it back in October of 2016. Keep the great content coming.
Was you proud when they added 2 Xtra doors???
These stealerships need to understand we have the last word and we won’t pay over sticker 👍👍.
This is very useful information!!...for those looking to get a car like this!!! Thank you!! 🤝🙏
Have to look and hunt for the deals. Never settle! Got my 23 Durango Hellcat 6-7k under MSRP.
This is a great video, informing people about mark ups on cars. Other manufactures have done this so many times with other sports cars Corvettes , and others ,we all have to think about something if no one is unwilling to pay ridiculously over sticker price cars they’re not gonna be able to sell them and they’ll have no choice to lower the price of the car ,, Everyone has to hold tight and stand strong be patient and don’t be impulsive , which I understand I’m a total gearhead and I can be very impulsive, these are incredible cars and they know it !! The collectors are going to want one , the racers are going to want one along with gearheads racers like myself ,, we, the people are the ones that are gonna dictate the gouging of these cars. That’s why we need to stand strong. Be patient and wait.
I’m loving your content on how the car market is going right now. I own a 2021 Challenger and wan to trade it in on a 2023. Your information really helps! Please keep going.
Why bruh, they look the same, LOL. I chose to go used 🐈 instead of new, just for that reason
IMO, The best Scatpack for 2023 is the Chrysler 300C. At MSRP. 😎👍
My dealer has been selling them and at msrp. Just got a 2023 Scat. Missed my 2020. Love it man Thanks for your channel
I just inquired on a TRX. The markup was $30k, eventually came down to $15k. I still would not pay over sticker but what really worried me was the 10 mpg city average. I will stay with the V6 Raptor, plenty fast enough for the street. If I want to go fast I will drive my other car.
New TRX MSRP going to start around 116k so keep waiting they’re just gonna get more expensive 😂
@@HotDropGuapait doesn't really matter anymore, the TRX is pretty much dead at this point, it's getting replaced by the RAM 1500 RHO 500 and something hp. They completely went backwards.
Brad, great video. Thank you for sharing these stories of your conversation/comments from your subscribers. They played the game so very well, exactly what you have been saying for the past several months. The law of supply and demand is now swinging to the consumer’s favor. Let’s be honest, interest rates are not coming down anytime soon and may even rise. The educated consumer who is patient will make very good deals as more of these cars show up on dealer lots by the end of the year and just sit there because the people that purchased these cars on impulse in the past paying these ridiculous markups can’t do it. I want a Redeye Challenger Widebody, but I won’t allocate a nickel over what I originally budgeted or would be willing to spend for a car in this economic climate. That money has to go to better investment opportunities, and not to a car that, unless it’s your Demon 170, won’t be worth more than you originally paid for it. Stay strong my friends, your patience will soon be rewarded. In any event, you won’t make a serious financial mistake that will hurt you and your family. I’m a Mopar guy, and I love these cars, but not to the point of economic hardship. Keep these videos coming Brad, as they are a great source of information and reality checks that people need to have. The videos are very cool too, can’t forget the entertainment value.
I traded my 21 Widebody Scat last week and cashed in on the $20k in equity. They told me they would sell it within 2 days and there's bit not even a nibble. I think I made the right decision and will sit back and scoop up a Hellcat or Scat Pack Shaker when they are begging for ppl to take the cars.
Definitely OC motivator your information is awesome.
Thanks again Brad. Love the vids. I found a dealership with over 90 Challengers most of which are hellcats😊. They want to sell me one at sticker. But they are low balling me on my 2022 3500 miles ScatPack. I’m holding out for sure especially with over 90 Challengers! Keeping my fingers crossed . 🙏
I live in the SF bay area. Five months ago a Dodge dealership priced a hellcat widebody challenger at 90,000 over MSRP , I went to the dealership yesterday and had them at 4K over MSRP. I told the guy call me when I can get msrp. The challenger widebody scat pack and hellcat are stacking up on dealers lots. Be patient and they will start fighting for our business with rebates and price cuts
Nothing will happen until the current Administration is replaced. The economy is in the gutter, inflation is sky high and everything is more expensive.
Thanks for the daily uploads!
I agree. My local dealership has a F8 Green Challenger Swinger for 61k. It only has 1100 miles and it has dodge certified warranty.
So glad I bought my scat in 2016 fully loaded. It’s paid for and still looks new.
Mine too, 17900 miles, 2015 B5 blue 6.4.
got a cherry red 2015 Dodge Challenger R/T with 18k miles that was salvage/rebuilt all the bells and whistles for $15k..!! car runs and rides great.. put 3k miles on it the last 6 months.. man what a fun car.. she's a looker to boot!
I'm not in the market at the moment will be in about 10-11 months, I myself have a narrow body 2017 scatpack with the shaker package only about 29,000 miles on it , seeing all your content and other mopar youtubers makes me double guess my decision but I'm most likely leaving dodge and getting myself a M4 Comp I just can't stand that my friends 2020 honda has a better interior than my car lmao! great info as always OC.
Patience is the key to a successful purchase at a good price. The dealers will eventually have to start moving some of those cars and when they are ready that's when you pounce. He is giving everyone some really good advice about this situation that's unfolding with the market. I agree wholeheartedly with him about waiting for the right moment because it will come and you will be glad that you did.
I got a last call Scat and paid under MSRP but still feel I may have overpaid compared to a few years ago
Well, yea, compared to a few years ago, ALL cars are more expensive, unfortunately. You're literally getting the SAME car from pre-COVID but for thousands (plural) of dollars more.
I wrote off the new generation of Mopar's when the Hellcat first came out. I was going to buy one and went to a dealer in the Vegas area and they had the audacity to add on a dealer bend you over market adjustment price of $18,000. That was the last day I ever stepped on one of their crooked dealers.
Correction. I should have proof read before submitting. I got the TRX Havoc edition for just under $86,000 not $76,000.
Aye. I am literally at the dealership right now. The salesman just told me face to face. They have tons of them coming in here at this dealership in Michigan. I came and looked at a scatpack 2 weeks ago. The salesman told me they had to find someone to buy all of them because they have more coming in and the ones they’ve had was sitting for too long. He said don’t rush to buy because they were giving discounts in order to sell the ones they had and the ones that are coming will be the same after so long. I’m still going to wait to get a good deal and they are selling MSRP or under. Also, I work for Chrysler. I hope we don’t strike but it’s looking kinda tight. We have soooo many cars in our lot waiting to get shipped it’s thousands just at my plant.
I just picked up a 2023 Scat Pack Shakedown Edition for $500. under MSRP. Dealer also took off the $998. dealer prep fee. They also matched my banks interest rate for financing. I made the deal on the last weekend of the month and took delivery on the last day of the month. The dealership delivered the car to my house 102 miles away free of charge.
The waiting actually paid off. Woooooo 22:09
Overpriced to start with, folks bought without thinking.
In Santa Clarita there is a loaded Challenger Scatpack Swinger for $4800 off MSRP.
I see Dodge imploding because of mark ups and getting away from V8’s. Sad
I went to purchase a Dodge Cummings diesel $82,500 with the add-ons. 833 credit score and the feds raised the interest rates the day before. We did a mockup with my credit. $35k down 7.5 rate even with my own credit union. $1,400.00 a month on a 4yr loan. I was blown away because I shoulda been 2.5-3.0 rate & was expecting $700 a month area.The dealer said just refinance when the rates drop. I was thinking so it would be ok to just throw away $700 a month until hopefully the feds lower the rates. Absolutely no way because I make my money valuable as best as I can.
This ^
I don't think anyone is going to buy anything. I was in the market but the inflation alone on groceries, rent, light bill, and water bill increased dramatically. The lot below my house has so many of my friends exotics that it is an indication, no one is buying anything. It would be smart for us all to pay down our debts to get this inflation back in order. I sold my car 4 months ago and I'm watching friends get low balled like crazy. If you got the money to get it though, I so agree to be the dream customer at a dealership. Not a sucker but just nice and negotiate.
Yet another fantastic video!🤙 I'm going to be waiting before I buy...😎 I'm certainly not in a hurry.
I packed up my Scat Pack Challenger in Springfield Missouri for $43k. Its a 2021 indgo blue withba 6 speed. Dont know if that was a good deal, but i wanted it and bought it. I love it and do not regret my purchase.
This is why I’m holding out until next later next year to purchase a pre owned hell cat. You have to move along with the market instead of jumping on to a deal that’s going to leave you broke. Gotta move smart out here
How about you just don't buy it? Until we stop being screwed by thos companies
Never buy used they will come abused since they get repoed so much. If you buy use make sure it atleast has a year or two of dealer warranty good luck
You are right. I was at the local CDJR dealership yesterday to look over the Chrysler 300 inventory. There were 2 pre owned cars and 2 brand new 2023 cars. None had the 5.7 Hemi engine.
But, I saw several Challenger Scat Pack Last Call cars and approximately 8 new hellcat powered Challengers and Chargers.
Ya,had a dealership on their site list msrp on a ZR2. I call them up to give me an out the door price so when i check it out it has above msrp, then on discounts and rebates list -3000. So i think oh, they marked it up and it back to MSRP to make me think its a good deal. Nope, they listed their dealer mark up as a negative deal 😂. I laughed at them over the phone and said "sorry, i got the check in my hand from navy fed to buy today, but guess you're not interested" and then hung up
I wish more people will start say no I'm not paying that price good stuff people
Oc motivater,congrats on the swinger. Hope you can enjoy it. What happened to the horse power Oc motivater?? Curious about that. Enjoy
Love your Swinger! We got our new Swinger in the F8 color two weeks ago at sticker price. Someone special ordered it and then backed out. I feel like there are so few of these still at dealerships that the price won’t fall before they are gone. It’s a head turner at the local gatherings for sure!
The same thing is happening with the new Mustangs and Mustang Dark horse. I see people who have put deposits over MSRP and even at MSRP backing away from their orders on a couple of forums I follow.
I’m not a FORD person but I did consider that dark house, went c8 Vette instead
Good video. Local dealer sitting on several last call. Currently 10k above sticker. They have been there at least a couple of months.
Th ones who just HAD to have one, those folks did not mind the mark up. Higher interest rates, uncertain economy, and rising gas prices are other key factors as well.
Like your one text was talking about “the best deals I ever made were the ones I didn’t make!”
Yeah, I went to a dealership for my 2nd car. Plates taxes and registration at the dmv would've been about 200 dollars. They wanted 800 for the same service and it was mandatory for a sale. They have some shit to fix before I ever go back to one.
I’m always with you 💯 percent on your thinking 🤔… I’ve been the same way my whole life when it comes to buying cars…
Very good Video,This channel isn't a car channel ,this is so much more,The knowledge that someone get get if they just listen and absorb is priceless,this is stuff u can literally go thru life using.
I sat down at the Dodge dealer and proceeded to configure a last call $62k Challenger ScatPack. That was my budget. At the end of the configuration they mentioned the $10k ADM. I walked, and they let me. I’m still sour about it. If I ever own a ScatPack it’ll be years from now.
For 120k I’d buy a corvette, my scat pack was less than half that
Exactly, anything close to 100k & im gettin a c8 z06
Seen a dude on reddit complaining about a $125k hellcat that he bought, now he regrets it and cant sell it, crazy
I’m so glad that we ended up paying MSRP for our 2021 Challenger RT scat pack widebody, shaker, after custom ordering every detail.
Thank you, you definitely helped me decide to wait, for now
Bro you're a USAF Vet.....no snooty crap with us! Great Content!
Don’t forget people don’t want to buy a car that is highly likely to be targeted for crimes and used to commit crimes. Also people really got a chance to see that after 2019 dodge didn’t have the fastest cars anymore and it still looks exactly the same as a 2015 but the price is significantly higher. The looks part isn’t a bad thing because honestly the challenger and charger 392s and hellcats can have that body style forever and I’d think they were still some of the coolest looking and sounding cars. Others don’t feel that way. The interior is nice but they don’t even offer racing seats of any kind as an option. Also the aftermarket for dodge just can’t compare to anyone they compete against. Now people that had 392s and hellcats drive zl1s, modded SS camaros and modded 5.0s.
I offered a dealer MSRP on a Hellcat widebody challenger 2 months ago. They still have been trying to get me back in 2 months later for the same damn car. They are not moving off the lots right now. I laughed at them yesterday and said how much under Invoice are you going to sell it to me for ;)
I have a 2020 Scat Pack 48K list price. I paid 41K. Today the same car built in the configurator is almost 54K!
Even at sticker the 2023 is not worth anywhere near that amount in my opinion!! Nuts.
In reality Dodge as a company it’s just going for a big money grab for a car that has zero mechanical updates since 2020!
The 2020 dodge challenger scat pack, is exactly the same car today! Nuts. I’m so glad I purchased when I did. I do daily drive the car so a hellcat was out of the question when you live with her is a lot of snow..
at least, on a narrow body Scatpack, you can buy 4 police rims & blizacks tires!
There are plenty of dealers selling at MSRP for rare cars. I got a 2023 C8 3LT Z51 covert for MSRP and traded in a 2022 Charger Hellcat Widebody.
Thanks so much. Great video. Even at MSRP prices are so much higher than 2 years ago. Over 20k more than it was.
Last 7 days of the month,is the best time to get a deal,that’s when the sales manager wants to make his sales #s for the month. If he can deliver the car by the end of the month, that helps him.
The Matthew story with the Shakdown order at 10k over & then got it 2k under MSRP is epic! Way to hold strong with these dealers! I got my widebody SP at near Power Dollars days pricing. Id love to get a last call car but im not gonna spend 15-20k more for the same car!
Yea bought a 2019 during power dollar days plus dealer discount and usaa car buying program, saved like 9700. $33200 out the door. Almost got stolen twice . Sold it last year for $47000, I was afraid to take it anywhere.
@megadog5743 Once in a lifetime situation & I would have probably done the same. Crazy these cars are going for $60-70k now!
You're in your car and it's running? Your advice is absolutely right. I'm guessing your savings is going to pay for gas...I'm waiting, I've been waiting, and I believe they are going to get even cheaper. if I don't get a new one, I'll get a used one.
"market adjustments" move in both directions ya'll! If you want a RAM pickup most dealerships cannot give them away. In some cases 15K off MSRP. Later this year things look to be prime for purchase.
I remember GM having buy one get one free sale on Silverado pickup trucks after the 2008 financial crisis. Unless they drop the price to $25-$30k and offer some low or zero interest they’re going to be stuck with a bunch of cars.
😂😂 come to Miami!!! You can buy hellcats and scatpack for days and see them everywhere 👍🏾
PREACH BROTHER!
Bayside Dodge Jeep Chrysler in NY, is marking up the Durango Hellcat by $50,000.
Interest rates. Some states property taxes, fuel, insurance. And I already have two muscle cars. And refuse to trade them in. Looking at boats now
The Dodge dealers here in OKC, have more Scat Packs and Hellcats on their lots than anything else. Prices are out of sight.
I recently bought a Daytona 392. I really wanted a widebody but I ran into the markup bull crap. I found a few that claimed to sell at sticker but wanted a trade and to finance with them so they could steal from the back of the deal. I did end up paying under sticker for my Daytona but I feel like I had to settle to not be ripped off. Either way I’m not going to get taken on a car it’s not that important.
Markups are a problem but no one is pointing out interest rates. Even with great credit, you’re still overpaying
I definitely addressed interest rates in this video as a driving factor.
@@ocmotivator you did lol..I think I ended up commenting this like 1min into the video 😂 great video as always and I didn’t expect a reply
I came across this video at the best time, I am about to get my jailbreak❤
Dealership I ordered a charger redeye. Has two hellcat cats for sale. The hotel I am currently staying at Tuesday night a car hauler was carrying two charger hellcat as well.
When I was working near Michigan the car hauler had charger and challenger hellcat.
Been looking for a redeye so far I haven't found one yet.
Thank you because I’m looking for a TRX and been waiting until they fall and also waiting on the Jailbreak to fall.
Good video, man! I'm going to start looking for a 2023 durango srt or a 300C with the 6.4 for my wife.
I was in the market for a used Tacoma .
I couldn't find a " reasonable" condition & milage & price on one . SO , I just bought a new one ( 30k out the door w/ life time drive train warrenty)
Sooooo glad I got my scat wb in 2022! Got 12k for a car I paid 15k for 5 years ago and, fortunately, had a buddy at a dodge dealership who honored msrp on my build.
I got extremely lucky last week. Happened to check the dodge main site to see if any challengers in a config I could live with were coming to any local dealers. Sure enough saw one was headed to a dealer I had previously visited, but they had nothing coming during the visit. When to the dealer the next day with the print out, and was like I want this, I have a 2015 for trade. The sales guy was surprised, he had no knowledge of anything coming in, but check on his end and saw that yeah, they had the car I was looking at it coming in for delivery in Oct. Turns out, I saw the car online just a few hours after it hit the system, the owner of the dealership, knew about this (he'd been allocated the car), and had intended to mark it up $20-30k. But since I was already there and paperwork was started, they didn't try and screw me around, so I got it at sticker. Probably helps it was an allocated car vs one they had ordered, and they already have 2 hellcats that have been collecting dust, and their lot is full of trucks and jeeps right now.
Well yea those dealer markups ate crazy!!!!. Most people purchase these cars because they want to not because they need to..... those prices aren't a want or need
Great video Brad😎✔️
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The HP finder was a treasure map for the thieves. They probably removed it to not make it easy for theft off lots and from the holding yards.
Didn’t buy anything during pandemic but I have never been more screwed over From a private company more than dealerships over the years
I’m looking for a Challenger Redeye at near MSRP, I’m willing to pay up to 10k in markup. If I can’t find one, I’ll save myself 35k and get a ZL1 instead.
Good , keep them on the lots. That's less muppets buying and breaking them. let time pass so there are more v8s available 10-20 years from now.
The standing inventory is the only thing available at all. No new Dodge Chargers, Challengers, or Chrysler 300's can be ordered at all. They are all discontinued/ orphaned and is one of the reasons no one is buying what they do have. They stopped production of the most popular 4 door sedan in the world. There won't be any EV versions. And, what they have right now is severely limited as to options available. Today, you can't get the metal pedals group, the updated radio, the red leather interior, cooled seats and a whole list of things. Except the price, the price is up 15k over the 2018.
Just did that a week ago and got my new 2023 Scatpack delivered to my door told the guy that wanted 5 over to take a hike
All that scat packs is over. The whole block got repoed😂