@@djaftermath4313 That's on top of an already inflated MSRP. If you told me 25 years ago that pickups would be selling for $60k, $70k, $80k and up I would have called you insane.
The real solution, change the incentive structure. Allow manufacturers to sell direct to consumers, and remove all legal restrictions about who can sell new cars.
@@Clownlife432I’ve always found this law such bs, like why can we not buy direct from manufacturer? It’s just so stupid HAVING to get scammed or at the least deal with such stupid word chess and attempts to upsell on nothing
Everyone should boycott dealerships that have markups. We had 2 dealerships in my area that were notorious for markups. People went elsewhere and they are both out of business now.
That is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. They would rather not sell a car at msrp. Better to go out of business than sell it for less. Well,,,,,,,,,bye.
This is unbelievable! 40k over MSRP is sacrilegious! Even MSRP is already super lofty! These dealerships are insane! And they seem to be fine with it! In what world are we living?
I urge everyone to get together and not give these assholes a cent of their money. Even if you can afford the markup plus MSRP, DO NOT. We have to send these assholes a message.
They'll have to discount them eventually once the floor plan costs start to pile up. But then again, having worked in the car business for a decade. I know that most dealerships are stubborn as hell when it comes to screwing people over and price gouging for profit. It wouldn't surprise me if they keep these insane markups for cars that have been sitting for a year or two. At the end of the day, no one should pay over MSRP on ANY new car.
These cars are overpriced to begin with let alone pay an additional $40k over that is beyond ridiculous! I’d love to see videos are the people that actually pay this price
They are overpriced and OLD! They are built on an old Mercedes Benz platform. You hear that, the car dates back to when Mercedes owned Chrysler. So Chrysler has just sold the car for 17 years I think, I’m not sure of how old it is and I don’t feel like looking it up. Everybody that wants one has probably a got one.
Don’t do it fam. Just don’t pay mark ups. Keep holding out. Eventually they have to bend. Honestly I love seeing these conversations being had now! These past few years have been RIDICULOUS
It’s honestly ridiculous. Scat Packs in my area are reaching the 80k mark. The prices are reaching Nissan GTR, Audi R8, Dodge Viper, and used Lamborghini Gallardo (Supercar Territory).
Dealerships became fueled with greed, to the point of they’re own demise. These mark-ups is fking crazy and dealerships will find out the hard way when people move to BMW, Audi, Lexus, and Benz 👀
@@juniorhector9582 the one i got came with 20 k miles pristine interior was some old dudes weekend toy and its a SRT 392 challenger 6spd not a scatpack 392 basically a hellcat without the supercharger it’s justifiable still a brandnew car
In a time where gas prices are still high, you think people want to pay $60,000 to $85,000 for these high hp vehicles with extremely outdated interiors?
The problem is dealers are in over thier heads on some of these vehicles. They overpaid and now stuck holding the bag. At this point every dealer should know markups are dead. People are broke in today's economy. Those that chose 2 over pay in the last 2 years are now stuck with a severely upside down loan that can't even think about buying another car for the next 7 years. The other half aren't stupid enough to pay these prices. In my part of NC there are no more markups at dealers and they still are sitting for months on end not selling.
@@chuckdameron5626a good used C5 is the trick. I hear the Z6 actually can outrun the Hellcat. Regardless, looking for mental midgets that have lots of bucks to buy those things are like finding the Golden Easter Egg at the family hunt.
Repo’S are at an all time high. Economy is tanking and these dealerships will be sitting on these vehicles for quite some. What kills me is the mark up everything not just the high end cars.
Lol, 100k for an outdated dinosaur. And on top of that, people pay above sticker for the so called "Last Call" editions. I have to admit Dodge is smart in advertising the same cars with stickerz and hood pinz and charging 20k or more for it. I can buy a used 392 black Challenger and get my own hood pinz and stickerz added on and save over 60 k and have a "Black Ghost" edition. Lol.
My 2020 ScatPack Challenger was $52k, worth about the same now if not a little more (highly optioned, low mile shaker 6 speed, garage kept). Buying one new now would be stupid.
@@ned_frankly I driven hellcats and shitted on Scatpacks on the regular. They aren't worth the asking price. The only car worth the price is the Scat when it comes to actual performance...and like I said, I've left shit stains on plenty of them.
You can pick up a really nice classic Mopar for those prices! And then you have a vehicle that's also a hell of a lot of fun to drive, turns more heads, and is likely a better investment with often little no no depreciation in comparison.
Ive had this conversation with every sales person ive interacted with over 6 months. Cars sitting, salemen at best talking in circles or at worst lying through their teeth. Not at all interested in dealing on price. They want you to throw out an offer, starting from an unrealistically elevated price, they are willing to take it as long as it's within hundreds of asking price and they dont want cash. I tried buying a new 2022 charger this summer, and it's still sitting.......marked down to msrp. I've given up, forget it.
i was at the same point man but I was lucky enough to get a dealership to bite on MSRP. most other dealers I went to wanted 20-40k over MSRP and they tried selling me the biggest investment bullcrap. I was like maybe your right but the markup is me paying for the appreciation before it happens
There are only so many folks who were willing to pay for an overpriced vehicle. Reality has finally set in, not only for Dodge, but Alot of other manufactures.
They don't want cash because they get a kickback from their bank for financing. Instead of cash, find out how many payments you have to make for them to get their bonus. Verify there isn't a prepayment penalty. Make 3 to 6 payments, then pay off the principal. This is the only way to negotiate as a cash buyer at a dealership, that is attractive to a sales person or finance mgr.
The used market is actually being flooded with repossessed Hellcats and Scats, and tons of base V6 Chargers. Back in 2005 Ford dealerships were selling the GT super cars for $150-$175,000. Today those are rare collectibles going for $300,000-$400,000+ for obvious reasons. I can probably see this with the Vipers possibility one day, but I can’t see the Hellcats and Scats increasing like that because the market is saturated with them. They’re not hard to find new or used, but dealerships are in denial.
I'm an RT owner, had several and was part of the Chrysler working family for a bit. I have to admit after working on these for over 12 years now, the LD, LX platform minus some of the newer engine platforms are really antiquated and they show their age really quick. It's no wonder they cannot keep any value now or after 3 years. Not so much apparent 2 years ago with what was on the market. But this year, and next, they are showing their age in build and quality and everything is surpassing the genre. Everything is changing. Again and again.
Maybe but I don't need the latest and greatest all the time. A 68 Super Bee might seem antiquated too but it drives just fine. I do worry about why Dodge Challenger owners bail on their cars with such low miles.
Everything is surpassing the genre? Muscle cars are disappearing entirely. Mustang will be all that is left in 2024. And the age is part of the appeal to a lot of people.
$40k over…… they are trippin…. People do have the money for these cars, just not for the extra $40k that’s literally a whole car or even two more depending on how you swing it.. I hope and pray they get stuck with every single car they held on to, making them go under. This is just pure greed.
Markups must still be a regional / cost of living thing. I got my Widebody Scatty in ‘22 for MSRP (back when you had to travel to find one) and now there are new ones sitting on lots 5 minutes from me for 30-60 days. So I’d have to be clinically insane to even pay MSRP at this point!
150 days is the new 90 for used. just figured id let you know. they are so padded they can afford to keep them on the lots a lot longer. 1 sale covers a lot more than in the past@@-Jason-L
I currently own a 2020 Scat Pack Widebody Challenger. I was looking at new ones and couldn't believe the prices. I paid $55k in 2021. Now they're charging like $75k for a SPWB. No one is going to pay that in this economy. Majority of people don't have the money to spend on such a vehicle and the ones that do are not gonna pay that price. These are going to sit and rot and I'm glad. It's never worth paying markup even if you have the money and want the vehicle because it's money you'll never see again. It's just throwing money away, literally. Eventually they will have to come down if they want to get rid of them. It's just economic sense.
Brad the closest dealer with a King Daytona is at a $35,000 markup. The salesman calls every once in a while to talk but doesn't want to drop the markup. It's 149 days or so on the lot now! Since the world is going nuts right now Israel, Ukraine the economy and all just driving my Mustang might be the smarter play. In a little while it could be that nobody will be thinking about cars or there might not be any gas to put in it! I hope none of that comes to pass but not looking good!
This an outstanding video segment, I am new to this channel. Very informative conversation. Another factor I know in my area and demographic with those particular dodges are not only gas factor but risk some headaches and maybe even danger of ownership of those cars. And then to add 20-40k mark ups. No it’s not a good move and it is, as you’ve stated, totally a mismatch for the economic times we’re in currently! I was looking for base rams at one point, I kept running into so many Hemi rams! I see what you’re talking about
Very good video. I wish you have time and call all these dealerships with markups to expose them. I can watch these type of videos all day long. Thank you.
@ 11:14 when you told the salesman we'll take Chop around back & you'll hold him while I wail on him was the greatest line in this whole video I'm glad I saw this video & learned the knowledge about these Dodges you taught us about... gotta know your stuff to NOT get shafted by these dealerships... 👍good vid bro
Same thing with the Rams. I drive by the dealership frequently and the lot is full. I inquire about purchasing one and they expect you to pay almost 100k for a half ton.
The same markups in south Florida its insanity I have great credit and cash to put down looking for my third scatpack and they wont budge I hope no one is stupid enough to pay them any markup.
I honestly think dodge just anticipated way more interest in these last call models. The problem is these cars haven’t changed in almost 10 years. So people are happy with what they own/owned. Even people who are looking to get into these cars rather get in a used model because again they all look the same. Not worth the mark ups nor the extra add on garbage for a badge someone will probably sell on eBay
Dodge has been hanging by a thread for decades always been bottom of the barrel quality and people aren t dumb enough to pay for corporate GREED any longer and with so many "HellCat" versions it s gonna take too long for them to go up in value and if you overpay now you ll never get your money or most of it back.
I get the conversation and trying to see what the salesman says about markups, but they don't know. The sales person has no say so in the price. I like the discussion but would like to see you have the same questions for GM and see what they say. I think that would be fun :)
Let's balance the factors that going in to justifying the mark up: they are no longer making these. Problem is that that is weighed against the fact that they supply is exceeding demand, it is an aging platform, skyrocketing cost of fuel, skyrocketing inflation eating up everyone's disposable income. They should be happy as pigs in sh*t if they can get MSRP right now. Especially for any narrow bodies. I think that would be a deal breaker for 90% Hellcat buyers today. Those need to be deeply discounted!
Even buying at an inflated MSRP is insane. Manufacturers and dealerships are making money hand over fist all while screwing the consumer. We are being conditioned into higher car prices so when we are forced to buy higher priced EVs it won't seem so bad.
You keep doin what your doin! Let the world know. We appreciate it. Let them dealers know. And they do know. They are stuck. Im just chilln up in the cut waiting😅
i just bought a narrowbody fully loaded for MSRP and I'm more then happy with it. I understand the widebody definitely looks better and the suspension differences etc but man even though they make the hellcats near my house it seems toronto has a tough time of getting them as most are shipped off to the states. you would be surprised about the mark ups on even narrowbodies here. I consider myself lucky to get one for msrp
They’re ALL “Standard” bodied cars. Some stupid plastic fender flares don’t magically make the sheetmetal any wider. All they do is cover-up slightly wider wheels. It’s like the car version of walking around with a pair of socks stuffed down one’s pants. Seriously.
I saw a Charger Super Bee here is AZ listed for 125k but with an 11k “discount” 😂 It’s also a Toyota dealership selling it as used with 11 miles or something so basically still new. God knows how they ended up with it and how much they paid for it!
Thank you for your videos. I go to work on a bike 🚴 because I cannot afford a vehicle lol. If I’m lucky enough, sometimes a friend will give me a ride. Since the price on both used and new vehicles is so high, I am trying to save as much as possible and waiting ofcourse.
Dealer near me doesn't do markups. They have 10 Challengers (GT, SP, & a widebody) on the lot. They all have manufacture dates (according to the window sticker ) of February, March, and April... They also have both of their Hornets, nobody wants them either.
I ordered a Challenger shakedown back in April. They wanted 10k over. I put a 1000 deposit. I'm looking for the same car elsewhere and once I get it, I'm going to pick up my deposit in it so that they can see they lost a customer😂
If you think the prices of 110k for a jailbreak is absurd. The new 2024 limited Ram 2500, goes for MSRP of around 105k. The same dealer that was selling the 2024 Limited for around 105k, had a fully loaded all black brand new with 12 miles on the clock 2023 Jailbreak Challenger with HK stereo, alcantera, sunroof for 86k. Yes this car wasn't in some large metro area but in a small farming community in the midwest but close enough to fly in, catch a cab and then drive the car home. You can find these Hellcats all over for close to MSRP, you just have to scour the web in the small markets.
Shittt crazy mane! Maybe in a year I’ll get another been looking at wrangler, Rubicon,or a gladiator, but the scat pack been really growing on me but the prices are getting out of hand! Will see might have to wait out little while longer, great video by the way sir
I been patiently waiting to buy one of these cars since 2016 lol but now that I have all my financials in order I’ll be a fool to go grab one with those crazy mark ups smh!! I been waiting all this time I don’t mind to continue to wait…. And to add!!! They asking for all that extra money but no upgrades especially with vehicle security SMDH
A lot of these businesses are over leveraged they financed all this shit too they got greedy and thought they’d make way more than they bought them for and refuse to sell at a lower price because they would “lose” money on paper. It’s going to take some time for them to realize the party is over and they have to cut prices to sell.
This is a great video! I have a ZL1 and want a challenger hellcat to compliment it… but really need to wait for the economy to slide We have dealers near me with 2022s they can’t sell The MSRP is already outrageous before the markup Just gotta be patient
If Dodge eventually offers rebates/incentives such as power dollars because too many of their vehicles are sitting on dealer lots collecting dust, how will that work if dealers are still asking over MSRP? Consumers see a Dodge Power Dollars commercial get excited and drive down to their local Dodge dealer just to find out that the dealer still has everything marked up over msrp, which would negate any incentives I assume.
They're not selling in the STL area either.The same dealer I got my RE from last year has several RTs, Scats, and an hemi orange edition scat that have been sitting on the lot around 60 days or more. They weren't doing markups when I bought my car but I don't know if they are now or not.
The dealerships are basing their prices on the fact that these cars will be classics once there is no more V8 but like the who's final concert sometimes it turns out they come out of retirement and your final concert ticket that you've been saving for 20 years hoping that it's turned into an investment is no longer an investment the only way these cars can be an investment is if you never drive them and hand them over to Jay Leno so he can keep them in his Museum with zero miles
Every time I go and look at dealers these days, it's like 40K, 50K, 60K, 70K...and some of those are USED prices. I'm like, "People are actually buying these things and getting $900 car payments? I don't even want to make a $300 car payment."
I guess they also didnt get the memo that people are slowly losing interest in these cars also. Most guys I talk to are who can afford Scatpacks are looking at Lexus and Audi's now that will skin a Scatpack alive and retain more value. Nothing feels better than shooting past a cop doing 90 mph and he not give a fk because he's too busy looking for something thats black, green, yellow, blue, and red with a loud exhaust to go flying by him.
I don’t know the reliability of those cars isn’t so great either. Might be a crap shot on that point for some of those Euro cars. But, yeah, I’d probably rather have a Lexus
@@pmscalisi I was literally flying down the freeway in my LS and a GA trooper flew right by me to nab a blue Scat that had just merged onto the freeway and was just trying to get over into the passing lane. I was like heeeell no
@@allanhood4397 no daily that’s really driven is going to be 100% . It’s the depreciation that’s a deal breaker. Why spend almost 70k for a Scat when there are used ones that are only a year or two old going for almost half of that?
Never even thought about comparing things like wheel locks on the same wheels in the same lot. Just assumed that they were the same. Thanks your video was a real eye opener.
Sadly the salesman or the person that pull the cars out for test drives, would have to do quite a bit a work just to get the car out to be driven. Smh, I never seen a dealership packed like this
Hey your cruising on Yorba Linda blvd. Thanks for your great insight on the care market when it comes to the crazy mark ups on Hellcats and Scat packs.
I was looking at a 23 hellcat at $72K but every week it doesn’t sell it goes up another $2K is over $80K now 🤣 at this point it’s on my favorite only to click on it 10 times a day and make the dealer think it’s getting better traffic I want to get it at over $100K so maybe they get desperate on the last Tuesday of the year and let it go in the $60’s 🤣🤣🤣
Even auction lots are bursting at the seams with Challenger/Charger repos too. What could have possibly caused it. Don’t see it with Cadillac, Audi, Toyota/Lexus, Mercedes, Ford, or even BMW.
As scathing as this video is, I have trouble trusting the phone call. Just a year ago I was on the phone with what felt like hundreds of dealerships because I live in a small town and there is only two dealerships in my town. So, all of my dealer contact was on the phone with out of town dealers. Not one of them even mentioned dealer markup over the phone. I'm going to bet less than half of them mentioned dealer markup when I asked about the price in person. Hearing a sales rep just disclose the markup over the phone before even taking their shot at trying to make the sale in person, is such an astronomically bad sales move that I have difficulty believing that's actually a sales rep.
My charger was stolen from in front of my house. At that point every Chrysler product i ever had which was 3 gave me a issue. The fact its not illegal is insane. And corporate should be the focus i would think. If they are not selling the car Chrysler isn't making money. So someone is going to end up struggling at the end of this. I find it hard to believe pure greed is the motivation behind the mark ups.
I'm not finding this in my area, but I see it as encouraging. Forced EV is just not going to work no matter what's happening on the lots. Add to that the dealers and corporate appreciate how profitable and desirable this product is. Things are looking good for the big backlash.
Laughable. Dealer in that was videoed storing cars in underground parking lot still holding out for the markup. Was told 40k markup on wide body red eye. We kept talking and he came down to 15k “but that’s the lowest” and said “the owner will just put away the cars we don’t sell”. If that dealer is willing to take that loss then let’s see. Not buying. Keep all of them.
They can have them all at those insane prices! Who's gonna buy them when normal people are priced out of the automobile industry by greedy dealerships and banks! Good riddance to every dealer that goes under because of greed, they deserve it!
He was very honest right out the gate. However, it's ridiculous how dealerships are trying to capitalize off these hellcats just because they're going to stop production on the V8's.
Those c8 Vettes are a higher demand, rarely see them on lots. Most are 3500 to 5000 to order. I did find a local dealer that I got at MSRP wit a 6 month wait, should be here next month
I am Canadian we have 2023 plum purple dodge 392 scat pack for $91000.00 an 2023 dodge rt for $58000.00 and gt $57000 all chargers. That is in a small town in Canada 2000 residents. That in USA money is a steal. But you would have to pay taxes but it mightbe worth a drive north lol.
I had my local dealer trying to tell me a wide body jailbreak was a deal at 110k, called me everyday for a week after telling me I better jump on it cause it won't last even a day. 😂
There was one here in Alabama for 94k red-eye with a 30k mark up I told the guy no about 5 months ago, he called today Intold me if I bring him 12k to put down I can get it at MSRP, I laughed and told him the most I'll do is 5k and we are doing a deal Monday afternoon
Hell yeah, fantastic news. The more of these dealerships that close up shop the better off we all are. They did this to themselves with the last few years of markups. Saw a Civic Type R priced $50,000 above MSRP. A $85,000 Honda Civic. Do I need to say it again? They've also been running with the fully loaded "special edition" BS as well. When every single car on the lot is a special edition, ain't none of them special or unique.
Let ‘em fold. We don’t need dealerships like this to survive these times.
40k over is beyond absurd!
STEALerships!
sure you would shirley for sure
@@djaftermath4313 That's on top of an already inflated MSRP. If you told me 25 years ago that pickups would be selling for $60k, $70k, $80k and up I would have called you insane.
This sales guy is awesome!
Please everyone boycott car dealerships who mark up. Fight the power.
No they continue to deal with dealerships who screw them over never go back to one go online no haggle
Every business marks up their products 😂😂😂
No. Let them go in debt. When dumdasses run through their credit lines it will correct itself.
Boycott every business with outrageous prices
@@notfiveoNo a recession means we’re in a recession! Check your cost of living lately or your retirement account. #fjb
This isn’t a mark up, it’s price gouging. Manufacturers need to put a stop to dealers selling cars above MSRP.
The real solution, change the incentive structure. Allow manufacturers to sell direct to consumers, and remove all legal restrictions about who can sell new cars.
They are not rotting, they are just sitting around appreciating some depreciation. 😂
@@Clownlife432I’ve always found this law such bs, like why can we not buy direct from manufacturer? It’s just so stupid HAVING to get scammed or at the least deal with such stupid word chess and attempts to upsell on nothing
@@riggsvsoliver most regulation is a scam.
@@Clownlife432- The sales of cars is already headed for a world without dealers being involved in the sales transaction, just service.
Everyone should boycott dealerships that have markups. We had 2 dealerships in my area that were notorious for markups. People went elsewhere and they are both out of business now.
The fact they chose to close there business, rather than sell at MSRP is insane!
That is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. They would rather not sell a car at msrp. Better to go out of business than sell it for less. Well,,,,,,,,,bye.
@@davedave2882*their
"Call for price" is so infuriating and an immediate no-go for me.
Yep, and on used cars too. Also in the listing "transmission- unknown".
@@regularjeff8580i also notice that dealers list CVT transmissions as "Automatic" instead of "CVT".
That means the price is so high they are embarrassed to post the price.
I so agree, if I don't like the price I'm wasting my time and theirs.
Yep every time I see that i automatically know it has a markup
I've never seen an honest car salesman. In 50 years of buying cars
Its easier to lie to someone than convince them they are being lied to.
HONESTY HAS NEVER SOLD ANYTHING. THE LIE IS THE PRECIEVED SATISFACTION FROM SAID PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE USE TO CONVINCE THEMSELVES TO BUY IT.
My dad always said three things at the bottom of the ocean. SHARKS LAWYERS AND CAR SALESMAN!
That’s funny because I haven’t ever met a customer that isn’t completely full of shit .
Is that why you're broke?
This is unbelievable! 40k over MSRP is sacrilegious! Even MSRP is already super lofty! These dealerships are insane! And they seem to be fine with it! In what world are we living?
It's Price Gouging
That’s a dealership bruh-it’s what they do
I urge everyone to get together and not give these assholes a cent of their money. Even if you can afford the markup plus MSRP, DO NOT. We have to send these assholes a message.
The arms dealers have cash.
40k over they mustve bumped they head 😂
I'll just keep my '96 Impala ss. Not the fastest car, but it sure is comfortable(and it's paid for). Good luck everyone. World has gone nuts.
Nice car....
@@jeffrey501green Best car I've ever owned. Keeper.
I'm still driving my 2007 honda crv 510k on it.
Plenty of options if you want to goose your SS.
It's a beautiful car either way.
Lt4 swap it🤤
I hope they all go under for this bs mark up. I'm so over everyone trying to screw over the blue collar person trying to own a cool car
Don't manufacturers realize or care that car dealerships have become huge bottlenecks on their potential sales output?
Lol!
@@mk2mister2 I agree. They do but only do much you can do. They should let you buy direct
Yeah, especially when we're talking about a 5000 pound, 30 year old Mercedes platform...😂
"You won't own anything and you will be happy..."
They'll have to discount them eventually once the floor plan costs start to pile up. But then again, having worked in the car business for a decade. I know that most dealerships are stubborn as hell when it comes to screwing people over and price gouging for profit. It wouldn't surprise me if they keep these insane markups for cars that have been sitting for a year or two. At the end of the day, no one should pay over MSRP on ANY new car.
I will buy a 2023 in 2026
i hope they go broke for marking up these cars past 40.000 bucks that is crazy
These cars are overpriced to begin with let alone pay an additional $40k over that is beyond ridiculous! I’d love to see videos are the people that actually pay this price
not hard to find them but i think i know why they tint there windows so dark lol
They are overpriced and OLD! They are built on an old Mercedes Benz platform. You hear that, the car dates back to when Mercedes owned Chrysler.
So Chrysler has just sold the car for 17 years I think, I’m not sure of how old it is and I don’t feel like looking it up.
Everybody that wants one has probably a got one.
I would only buy a car for dealer invoice. That's how I roll.
@@realnikonlover6207 MSRP or lower or no deal
@@josebrown5961 Exactly. These simpletons showing off in a 30 year old platform with horrific electronics is hilarious!
Car prices are so unbelievably out of control.
Don’t do it fam. Just don’t pay mark ups. Keep holding out. Eventually they have to bend. Honestly I love seeing these conversations being had now! These past few years have been RIDICULOUS
It’s honestly ridiculous. Scat Packs in my area are reaching the 80k mark. The prices are reaching Nissan GTR, Audi R8, Dodge Viper, and used Lamborghini Gallardo (Supercar Territory).
GTR is more reasonable choise for this price
@@Alejandro-kk8htyup
There is a 2023 GTR at my local dealer for 110k and there is a red eye Challenger 8 miles away at a ridge dealer for 105k 😂
Scats sold msrp in my area
You have to a fool to buy a car right now.
Dealerships became fueled with greed, to the point of they’re own demise. These mark-ups is fking crazy and dealerships will find out the hard way when people move to BMW, Audi, Lexus, and Benz 👀
I paid for my Scat Pack in 21 for 48,000 and it is a widebody. These dealers are trippin.
I got a 15 narrow body 392 for 44k after mark up from 35k 🗑🗑
They saw you coming paying that much for a Scat Pack not me for that money i would go for a bummer.
@@juniorhector9582 the one i got came with 20 k miles pristine interior was some old dudes weekend toy and its a SRT 392 challenger 6spd not a scatpack 392 basically a hellcat without the supercharger it’s justifiable still a brandnew car
Bro Thats crazy im just waiting at this point . Ive seen a few scatpacks widebodys going for low 40s
In a time where gas prices are still high, you think people want to pay $60,000 to $85,000 for these high hp vehicles with extremely outdated interiors?
The problem is dealers are in over thier heads on some of these vehicles. They overpaid and now stuck holding the bag. At this point every dealer should know markups are dead. People are broke in today's economy. Those that chose 2 over pay in the last 2 years are now stuck with a severely upside down loan that can't even think about buying another car for the next 7 years. The other half aren't stupid enough to pay these prices. In my part of NC there are no more markups at dealers and they still are sitting for months on end not selling.
You are right just look at the C8 Corvette people are up side down on them now
@@chuckdameron5626a good used C5 is the trick. I hear the Z6 actually can outrun the Hellcat. Regardless, looking for mental midgets that have lots of bucks to buy those things are like finding the Golden Easter Egg at the family hunt.
Repo’S are at an all time high. Economy is tanking and these dealerships will be sitting on these vehicles for quite some. What kills me is the mark up everything not just the high end cars.
1:07 $1900/m car payment? 😂😂😂 my mortgage is considerably less than that😂😂😂
Insanity.
It's much safer to own a home than a car overly inflated priced car.
Mortgage where? Not here in L.A. it's 3x that
@@ejmich8136pretty much 80% of the rest of the country. CA is insanity.
Youll be surprised in nyc thats how much it is for a Honda 😅 2024
Need to let these dealers fail under their own greed.
I will never understand paying that much for these cars. I don't care how much horsepower they make.
Lol, 100k for an outdated dinosaur. And on top of that, people pay above sticker for the so called "Last Call" editions. I have to admit Dodge is smart in advertising the same cars with stickerz and hood pinz and charging 20k or more for it. I can buy a used 392 black Challenger and get my own hood pinz and stickerz added on and save over 60 k and have a "Black Ghost" edition. Lol.
My 2020 ScatPack Challenger was $52k, worth about the same now if not a little more (highly optioned, low mile shaker 6 speed, garage kept). Buying one new now would be stupid.
So you've never driven one. You should, your understanding would change, I assure you. Even the 485 in a ScatPack is enough to terrify a passenger.
@@ned_frankly I driven hellcats and shitted on Scatpacks on the regular. They aren't worth the asking price. The only car worth the price is the Scat when it comes to actual performance...and like I said, I've left shit stains on plenty of them.
Nice Pickup trucks are over 100k now
With probably a 20% exception, a Hellcat is something you buy when you have money to burn. Less and less people have that now.
The price even with no mark up is way too high. Love your videos . Your such a smooth cat look forward to more .
You can pick up a really nice classic Mopar for those prices! And then you have a vehicle that's also a hell of a lot of fun to drive, turns more heads, and is likely a better investment with often little no no depreciation in comparison.
Ive had this conversation with every sales person ive interacted with over 6 months. Cars sitting, salemen at best talking in circles or at worst lying through their teeth. Not at all interested in dealing on price. They want you to throw out an offer, starting from an unrealistically elevated price, they are willing to take it as long as it's within hundreds of asking price and they dont want cash. I tried buying a new 2022 charger this summer, and it's still sitting.......marked down to msrp. I've given up, forget it.
i was at the same point man but I was lucky enough to get a dealership to bite on MSRP. most other dealers I went to wanted 20-40k over MSRP and they tried selling me the biggest investment bullcrap. I was like maybe your right but the markup is me paying for the appreciation before it happens
@@nxko1 awesome! What did you get?
I bought one and love the car however that Dodge dealer Dotta will never see my face again nor will I send anyone there.
There are only so many folks who were willing to pay for an overpriced vehicle.
Reality has finally set in, not only for Dodge, but Alot of other manufactures.
They don't want cash because they get a kickback from their bank for financing. Instead of cash, find out how many payments you have to make for them to get their bonus. Verify there isn't a prepayment penalty. Make 3 to 6 payments, then pay off the principal. This is the only way to negotiate as a cash buyer at a dealership, that is attractive to a sales person or finance mgr.
The used market is actually being flooded with repossessed Hellcats and Scats, and tons of base V6 Chargers. Back in 2005 Ford dealerships were selling the GT super cars for $150-$175,000. Today those are rare collectibles going for $300,000-$400,000+ for obvious reasons. I can probably see this with the Vipers possibility one day, but I can’t see the Hellcats and Scats increasing like that because the market is saturated with them. They’re not hard to find new or used, but dealerships are in denial.
I'm an RT owner, had several and was part of the Chrysler working family for a bit. I have to admit after working on these for over 12 years now, the LD, LX platform minus some of the newer engine platforms are really antiquated and they show their age really quick. It's no wonder they cannot keep any value now or after 3 years. Not so much apparent 2 years ago with what was on the market. But this year, and next, they are showing their age in build and quality and everything is surpassing the genre. Everything is changing. Again and again.
Maybe but I don't need the latest and greatest all the time.
A 68 Super Bee might seem antiquated too but it drives just fine. I do worry about why Dodge Challenger owners bail on their cars with such low miles.
Everything is surpassing the genre? Muscle cars are disappearing entirely. Mustang will be all that is left in 2024. And the age is part of the appeal to a lot of people.
I prefer reliability....and unfortunately American cars are not known for that. And I'm saying that politely.
HELIPHANT!😅
Stop Stealing Dodge please
$40k over…… they are trippin…. People do have the money for these cars, just not for the extra $40k that’s literally a whole car or even two more depending on how you swing it.. I hope and pray they get stuck with every single car they held on to, making them go under. This is just pure greed.
Markups must still be a regional / cost of living thing. I got my Widebody Scatty in ‘22 for MSRP (back when you had to travel to find one) and now there are new ones sitting on lots 5 minutes from me for 30-60 days. So I’d have to be clinically insane to even pay MSRP at this point!
they sit because they have markup (even if you dont see it on sticker) and they will not negotiate off price at all.
Dealers will avoid talking about markup til the last second so what you see cars listed for can be a total lie
This what I been saying MSRP is way overpriced
30-60 days isn't that much for new cars. For used cars, 90 days is when they start getting concerned.
150 days is the new 90 for used. just figured id let you know. they are so padded they can afford to keep them on the lots a lot longer. 1 sale covers a lot more than in the past@@-Jason-L
I currently own a 2020 Scat Pack Widebody Challenger. I was looking at new ones and couldn't believe the prices. I paid $55k in 2021. Now they're charging like $75k for a SPWB. No one is going to pay that in this economy. Majority of people don't have the money to spend on such a vehicle and the ones that do are not gonna pay that price. These are going to sit and rot and I'm glad. It's never worth paying markup even if you have the money and want the vehicle because it's money you'll never see again. It's just throwing money away, literally. Eventually they will have to come down if they want to get rid of them. It's just economic sense.
💯 I’m old school and MSRP is too high 😂.
I’m old enough to remember you could get discounts on Z28s and Mach 1s
The Honda civic R is a 4 banger and they're 55k now.
Brad the closest dealer with a King Daytona is at a $35,000 markup. The salesman calls every once in a while to talk but doesn't want to drop the markup. It's 149 days or so on the lot now! Since the world is going nuts right now Israel, Ukraine the economy and all just driving my Mustang might be the smarter play. In a little while it could be that nobody will be thinking about cars or there might not be any gas to put in it! I hope none of that comes to pass but not looking good!
This an outstanding video segment, I am new to this channel. Very informative conversation. Another factor I know in my area and demographic with those particular dodges are not only gas factor but risk some headaches and maybe even danger of ownership of those cars. And then to add 20-40k mark ups. No it’s not a good move and it is, as you’ve stated, totally a mismatch for the economic times we’re in currently! I was looking for base rams at one point, I kept running into so many Hemi rams! I see what you’re talking about
Dealer: "Well sir, here's the explanation. I am smoking so much crack lately..."
Very good video. I wish you have time and call all these dealerships with markups to expose them. I can watch these type of videos all day long. Thank you.
Can you imagine Wal-Mart doing mark-ups on butter. "Well the butter is $1.79 , but there's a $50 mark-up at the register "
@ 11:14 when you told the salesman we'll take Chop around back & you'll hold him while I wail on him was the greatest line in this whole video I'm glad I saw this video & learned the knowledge about these Dodges you taught us about... gotta know your stuff to NOT get shafted by these dealerships... 👍good vid bro
Image trying to negotiate a markup this should be illegal
Same thing with the Rams. I drive by the dealership frequently and the lot is full. I inquire about purchasing one and they expect you to pay almost 100k for a half ton.
The same markups in south Florida its insanity I have great credit and cash to put down looking for my third scatpack and they wont budge I hope no one is stupid enough to pay them any markup.
I honestly think dodge just anticipated way more interest in these last call models. The problem is these cars haven’t changed in almost 10 years. So people are happy with what they own/owned. Even people who are looking to get into these cars rather get in a used model because again they all look the same. Not worth the mark ups nor the extra add on garbage for a badge someone will probably sell on eBay
Dodge has been hanging by a thread for decades always been bottom of the barrel quality and people aren t dumb enough to pay for corporate GREED any longer and with so many "HellCat" versions it s gonna take too long for them to go up in value and if you overpay now you ll never get your money or most of it back.
That kid is not a "salesman", he's a "liner". He feeds prospects to actual salesman.
I get the conversation and trying to see what the salesman says about markups, but they don't know. The sales person has no say so in the price. I like the discussion but would like to see you have the same questions for GM and see what they say. I think that would be fun :)
Let's balance the factors that going in to justifying the mark up: they are no longer making these. Problem is that that is weighed against the fact that they supply is exceeding demand, it is an aging platform, skyrocketing cost of fuel, skyrocketing inflation eating up everyone's disposable income. They should be happy as pigs in sh*t if they can get MSRP right now. Especially for any narrow bodies. I think that would be a deal breaker for 90% Hellcat buyers today. Those need to be deeply discounted!
Even buying at an inflated MSRP is insane. Manufacturers and dealerships are making money hand over fist all while screwing the consumer. We are being conditioned into higher car prices so when we are forced to buy higher priced EVs it won't seem so bad.
Bingo
You keep doin what your doin! Let the world know. We appreciate it. Let them dealers know. And they do know. They are stuck. Im just chilln up in the cut waiting😅
i just bought a narrowbody fully loaded for MSRP and I'm more then happy with it. I understand the widebody definitely looks better and the suspension differences etc but man even though they make the hellcats near my house it seems toronto has a tough time of getting them as most are shipped off to the states. you would be surprised about the mark ups on even narrowbodies here. I consider myself lucky to get one for msrp
I prefer the narrow body.
honestly, in person i was more then fine with it. In photos I was skeptical.@@patrickcooper2760
They’re ALL “Standard” bodied cars. Some stupid plastic fender flares don’t magically make the sheetmetal any wider. All they do is cover-up slightly wider wheels. It’s like the car version of walking around with a pair of socks stuffed down one’s pants. Seriously.
@@Acroposthion It's a lot more than just tacked on fenders and wider tires.
A lot more? Like what?
Sounds right. Dealer in my area is trying to pass off Jailbreaks as "SRT Demons" MSRP 68-70K being sold for 133-150K. Most older than 30 days
I saw a Charger Super Bee here is AZ listed for 125k but with an 11k “discount” 😂
It’s also a Toyota dealership selling it as used with 11 miles or something so basically still new. God knows how they ended up with it and how much they paid for it!
dealer bought it to flip
Is it Right Toyota? That trash heap of a dealer is bizarre.
@@CapELarry Yep that’s the one!
That’s a dealer selling himself a car from his other dealership so he can ask way over MSRP and not have Dodge giving him crap.
A challenger Demon 170 is $96,666 new.
Thank you for your videos.
I go to work on a bike 🚴 because I cannot afford a vehicle lol. If I’m lucky enough, sometimes a friend will give me a ride. Since the price on both used and new vehicles is so high, I am trying to save as much as possible and waiting ofcourse.
Narrow, wide, I'd love either. Not getting one though for a long time. Too much.
Ya gotta appreciate this sales person's position. He's stuck between dealer and the customer.
I am glad I special ordered mine last year and got everything I wanted for 2k under sticker. Thank you Meloy Dodge in Los Lunas!
I will be glad when dealers and manufacturers are begging for sales and this crazy crap is over
Manufacturers aren't making a penny from dealer markups
Good for them dealerships ...They can eat them ....im not paying over MSRP!!!
Love the videos OC very informative i appreciated this cause i thought i miss them i still have a chance next year to own a hellcat redeye widebody
I meant 2025 when I get one they probably be still on the lot I’m pretty sure
Dealer near me doesn't do markups. They have 10 Challengers (GT, SP, & a widebody) on the lot. They all have manufacture dates (according to the window sticker ) of February, March, and April... They also have both of their Hornets, nobody wants them either.
I ordered a Challenger shakedown back in April. They wanted 10k over. I put a 1000 deposit. I'm looking for the same car elsewhere and once I get it, I'm going to pick up my deposit in it so that they can see they lost a customer😂
If you think the prices of 110k for a jailbreak is absurd. The new 2024 limited Ram 2500, goes for MSRP of around 105k. The same dealer that was selling the 2024 Limited for around 105k, had a fully loaded all black brand new with 12 miles on the clock 2023 Jailbreak Challenger with HK stereo, alcantera, sunroof for 86k. Yes this car wasn't in some large metro area but in a small farming community in the midwest but close enough to fly in, catch a cab and then drive the car home. You can find these Hellcats all over for close to MSRP, you just have to scour the web in the small markets.
Shittt crazy mane! Maybe in a year I’ll get another been looking at wrangler, Rubicon,or a gladiator, but the scat pack been really growing on me but the prices are getting out of hand! Will see might have to wait out little while longer, great video by the way sir
Jeeps f in junk
Honestly I can stand dealers... they are so crooked.
I been patiently waiting to buy one of these cars since 2016 lol but now that I have all my financials in order I’ll be a fool to go grab one with those crazy mark ups smh!! I been waiting all this time I don’t mind to continue to wait…. And to add!!! They asking for all that extra money but no upgrades especially with vehicle security SMDH
A lot of these businesses are over leveraged they financed all this shit too they got greedy and thought they’d make way more than they bought them for and refuse to sell at a lower price because they would “lose” money on paper. It’s going to take some time for them to realize the party is over and they have to cut prices to sell.
They buy at manufactured prices they can make profit without these high mark ups its just straight up greed smh
They pay dodge normal prices..
The fact they’re holding the vehicles for so long, means they’ve already lost so much and on track to lose even more
This is a great video!
I have a ZL1 and want a challenger hellcat to compliment it… but really need to wait for the economy to slide
We have dealers near me with 2022s they can’t sell
The MSRP is already outrageous before the markup
Just gotta be patient
Not everyone has to have a widebody. I have a narrowbody Charger Scat Pack (2019) and love it! 38k out the door, and paid for.
If Dodge eventually offers rebates/incentives such as power dollars because too many of their vehicles are sitting on dealer lots collecting dust, how will that work if dealers are still asking over MSRP? Consumers see a Dodge Power Dollars commercial get excited and drive down to their local Dodge dealer just to find out that the dealer still has everything marked up over msrp, which would negate any incentives I assume.
They're not selling in the STL area either.The same dealer I got my RE from last year has several RTs, Scats, and an hemi orange edition scat that have been sitting on the lot around 60 days or more. They weren't doing markups when I bought my car but I don't know if they are now or not.
40k mark up is why they aren’t selling. The worse I saw was what GM did to a C8 Z06 with that 100k mark up. Also got a new a subscriber
"40 thousand over" (Mumbles under breath ) "Their smoking crack"😂😂
Can you imagine paying 40K over and it's stolen within a year. And you are the one on the hook for high insurance for life.
Why are they being stolen
@@JohnSmith-dm1woTyrone can’t afford one with his welfare check so he will steal yours instead.
The dealerships are basing their prices on the fact that these cars will be classics once there is no more V8 but like the who's final concert sometimes it turns out they come out of retirement and your final concert ticket that you've been saving for 20 years hoping that it's turned into an investment is no longer an investment the only way these cars can be an investment is if you never drive them and hand them over to Jay Leno so he can keep them in his Museum with zero miles
Truth. If I buy anything I’m going to drive it. I don’t want trailer queens. Geez.
I'm surprised no criminals are stealing them from that dealership!! lol
Thank you big bro. Somebody has to get out here, and put in Work. You are doing that.
Awesome work at that!
Every time I go and look at dealers these days, it's like 40K, 50K, 60K, 70K...and some of those are USED prices. I'm like, "People are actually buying these things and getting $900 car payments? I don't even want to make a $300 car payment."
I guess they also didnt get the memo that people are slowly losing interest in these cars also. Most guys I talk to are who can afford Scatpacks are looking at Lexus and Audi's now that will skin a Scatpack alive and retain more value. Nothing feels better than shooting past a cop doing 90 mph and he not give a fk because he's too busy looking for something thats black, green, yellow, blue, and red with a loud exhaust to go flying by him.
I don’t know the reliability of those cars isn’t so great either. Might be a crap shot on that point for some of those Euro cars.
But, yeah, I’d probably rather have a Lexus
Most educated people now are passing up these dime a dozen Chrysler products. Fucking boring cars after a week driving them.
A VW Gti on a back road will smoke your 4600lb. POS
@@pmscalisi I was literally flying down the freeway in my LS and a GA trooper flew right by me to nab a blue Scat that had just merged onto the freeway and was just trying to get over into the passing lane. I was like heeeell no
@@allanhood4397 no daily that’s really driven is going to be 100% . It’s the depreciation that’s a deal breaker. Why spend almost 70k for a Scat when there are used ones that are only a year or two old going for almost half of that?
Never even thought about comparing things like wheel locks on the same wheels in the same lot. Just assumed that they were the same. Thanks your video was a real eye opener.
Sadly the salesman or the person that pull the cars out for test drives, would have to do quite a bit a work just to get the car out to be driven. Smh, I never seen a dealership packed like this
Hey your cruising on Yorba Linda blvd. Thanks for your great insight on the care market when it comes to the crazy mark ups on Hellcats and Scat packs.
I was looking at a 23 hellcat at $72K but every week it doesn’t sell it goes up another $2K is over $80K now 🤣 at this point it’s on my favorite only to click on it 10 times a day and make the dealer think it’s getting better traffic I want to get it at over $100K so maybe they get desperate on the last Tuesday of the year and let it go in the $60’s 🤣🤣🤣
Even auction lots are bursting at the seams with Challenger/Charger repos too. What could have possibly caused it. Don’t see it with Cadillac, Audi, Toyota/Lexus, Mercedes, Ford, or even BMW.
As scathing as this video is, I have trouble trusting the phone call. Just a year ago I was on the phone with what felt like hundreds of dealerships because I live in a small town and there is only two dealerships in my town. So, all of my dealer contact was on the phone with out of town dealers. Not one of them even mentioned dealer markup over the phone. I'm going to bet less than half of them mentioned dealer markup when I asked about the price in person. Hearing a sales rep just disclose the markup over the phone before even taking their shot at trying to make the sale in person, is such an astronomically bad sales move that I have difficulty believing that's actually a sales rep.
I agree - sounds a setup.
I don't think there are salesman will talk that long.
My charger was stolen from in front of my house. At that point every Chrysler product i ever had which was 3 gave me a issue. The fact its not illegal is insane. And corporate should be the focus i would think. If they are not selling the car Chrysler isn't making money. So someone is going to end up struggling at the end of this. I find it hard to believe pure greed is the motivation behind the mark ups.
I'm not finding this in my area, but I see it as encouraging. Forced EV is just not going to work no matter what's happening on the lots. Add to that the dealers and corporate appreciate how profitable and desirable this product is. Things are looking good for the big backlash.
Thank you for your videos sir! I'm waiting till I get a fair deal at msrp or less. Period
Bro get rid of the Ukraine flag
Laughable. Dealer in that was videoed storing cars in underground parking lot still holding out for the markup. Was told 40k markup on wide body red eye. We kept talking and he came down to 15k “but that’s the lowest” and said “the owner will just put away the cars we don’t sell”. If that dealer is willing to take that loss then let’s see. Not buying. Keep all of them.
They can have them all at those insane prices! Who's gonna buy them when normal people are priced out of the automobile industry by greedy dealerships and banks! Good riddance to every dealer that goes under because of greed, they deserve it!
They often forget collectibility also is determined by small production numbers, which these cars don’t have.
Maybe in 15-20 years 😂
He was very honest right out the gate. However, it's ridiculous how dealerships are trying to capitalize off these hellcats just because they're going to stop production on the V8's.
Local Chevy dealer is getting 4 LT2 C8 corvette’s, they want $5k over MSRP, I offered MSRP + tax tag, they didn’t even respond. 🤔
Their loss. F them I'd they don't want your money. Hope they are Doreen to sell it under MSRP
Those c8 Vettes are a higher demand, rarely see them on lots. Most are 3500 to 5000 to order. I did find a local dealer that I got at MSRP wit a 6 month wait, should be here next month
I am Canadian we have 2023 plum purple dodge 392 scat pack for $91000.00 an 2023 dodge rt for $58000.00 and gt $57000 all chargers. That is in a small town in Canada 2000 residents. That in USA money is a steal. But you would have to pay taxes but it mightbe worth a drive north lol.
Thought about trading in my scat pack for a hellcat but for that price I might as well go with a RS7
That kid was too honest to be a salesman 😂 really cool kid
Was just trying to make money and feed his family
I had my local dealer trying to tell me a wide body jailbreak was a deal at 110k, called me everyday for a week after telling me I better jump on it cause it won't last even a day. 😂
I've been looking at the new Prius Prime plug- in with AWD.
0-60 6 seconds
total price under $40k. it'll last 20 years.
I just subbed and started binging your videos! Keep it up🔥🔥
There was one here in Alabama for 94k red-eye with a 30k mark up I told the guy no about 5 months ago, he called today Intold me if I bring him 12k to put down I can get it at MSRP, I laughed and told him the most I'll do is 5k and we are doing a deal Monday afternoon
🤣🤣🤣, that’s awesome. Congrats #🐈🐈🐈
So are you saying you paid $5k over msrp? Or you made a $5k down payment?
Tell him you want 1k off sticker. F them
@@robertanna9964I think he’s saying MSRP and a $5K down payment for a credit purchase. 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting. I live in the Birmingham area. Where did you find a dealer to do that?
Thanks for this Brotha, the transparency is top notch
40k over MSRP? Screw that!!! No friggin way!!!! That's why there are so many on the lot. Good way to make money Dodge.... You can keep em!!!!
It isn't Dodge. It is the dealers. Not the same.
@@-Jason-L Dodge does nothing about it though. Seems like no car mfg does ....
Hell yeah, fantastic news. The more of these dealerships that close up shop the better off we all are. They did this to themselves with the last few years of markups. Saw a Civic Type R priced $50,000 above MSRP. A $85,000 Honda Civic. Do I need to say it again?
They've also been running with the fully loaded "special edition" BS as well. When every single car on the lot is a special edition, ain't none of them special or unique.
$40k over sticker for a Dodge is insulting and stupid.
No for anything no matter what fucking make it is.
Is just unaffordable for most people to buy a new car, any new car
These marks up arr insane. Hope these dealerships go under.