Your ultimate guide to navigating a faith crisis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Jared Halverson, a professional religious educator, joins us to talk about faith crisis, engaging with faith questions, and establishing spiritual experiences. If you have had faith questions or have been struggling with conversations about your faith, this episode is for you. This is one of our favorite scholar interviews! Thanks so much for joining us, Jared!
0:00 - Introduction
1:50 - Jared’s academic background and career
5:00 - Reacting to new “anti-Mormon” content; anti-faith content
6:00 - Deception
6:40 - Prophecy from Jesus Christ
9:08 - Is “turning the other cheek” always the answer?
11:05 - Humor and showing a different approach
12:30 - Engaging with those in faith crisis
14:00 - Seeking to understand and diffusing the bomb
18:20 - What approach do you take with people in a faith crisis?
19:37 - Understanding the stages of faith - Creation, Fall, Atonement
23:02 - Reach out and talk
23:45 - Curiosity and judgment - personal story
26:08 - Fighting on both sides
27:22 - Reframing your relationship with those who have left
29:28 - Clinging to the rod of iron; Lehi’s dream
32:18 - The P’s
33:10 - Marveling at God
34:30 - “Why do you do this?”
36:32 - The worth of souls
38:00 - Father with paternal regard with ample provision
39:40 - Temptations
41:11 - Zion - One heart, one mind
42:50 - Common questions but is it yours?
45:50 - Helpless chicks
49:22 - Experience with God
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I freaking love Dr. Halverson! He is a true follower of Jesus Christ.
He magnifies his gifts of teaching! ❤️🙏🏻☀️
I am someone who has lost their faith. I do enjoy Jared Halverson’s faith and perspective and I can tell you that if members treated us ‘apostates’ the way that Jared says he does and not vilify us, you will discover a lot of good people with honest intentions.
The narrative that we were lazy or wanted to sin or never had a testimony in the first place is ignorant, belittling, and in most cases, just flat out wrong. People that lose their faith have gone through something incredibly difficult and we wish we could stay, we really do, but we feel that we cannot stay any longer. Staying would be easier than leaving. I just wish that those with faith will still see our humanity and understand why we left
I’m sure this happens. But from what I have seen in my own relationships is that there is an ASSUMPTION of judgement that comes upon those who leave and that assumption leads them to distance THEMSELVES. It happens all the time.
@@danjohnson8556 I think those of us who are active and happy in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints might do well to ask ourselves why those who are going through a faith crisis expect to be judged. Even if we aren't part of the problem, perhaps we should be looking for ways to be part of the solution anyway.
@@elizabethburr2512 Judgement is inferred any time someone makes a moral claim. What we have to decide is if that moral claim is true and comes from God. If it comes from God, do we have the courage to stand for it regardless of what our loved ones do?
My opinion is that we have become weak-kneed in standing up for righteousness. We should remember the story of Eli in the Old Testament. Why was he condemned by the Lord? 90% of members couldn’t even tell you who he was or why the Lord was upset with him.
@@danjohnson8556 Eli, as high priest had a stewardship over his son's to correct them from committing evil in the temple. They were making a mock of God's holy ordinances. That's a far cry from the stewardship we have when someone has a faith crisis. Jesus asks us to cry repentance, and his example was judgement only on the religious leaders who were willfully rebelling against the one they knew was their Messiah. He treated everyone else with compassion.
@@elizabethburr2512 True compassion must remain tethered to truth or it isn’t compassion at all.
Hebrews 12:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
I have listened to Unshaken almost every day for a couple years now.
Brother Jared Halverson is technically my best friend.
He has helped me grow Closer to Christ through Scripture study and it’s been a Beautiful Journey helping others come unto Christ Bearing my Testimony of Jesus Christ the Book of Mormon and Bible ❤🙌🏽🔥😇
Wow, every day for two years! You must be through the first two podcasts already! LOL, just kidding of course. He is amazing but his podcasts can get really lengthy.
I LOVE Jared Halverson!!! I got to see him speak at the faith matters conference in October, and loved every single word! He’s amazing! He ironically reminds me a lot of my uncle who actually left the church 😂
It is not a coincidence that this video came out when it did. I am grateful for this video.
Great interview. Important to have “thick skin but soft heart”…loved that insight. I think it’s also important to be bold in defending the kingdom of God…from situation to situation our response may need to vary, depending on how the Spirit guides. Ultimate example is Jesus Christ. He was normally calm and kind in his responses. Yet sometimes issued strong rebukes, while other times said nothing at all, like to King Herrod, for example. As Latter-day Saints we both “fight and invite…” in this war of words. And always with love at the center of our motivation.
Thank you for the great interview!
Great point! I want to do an analysis of his words to see the frequency of rebukes. I think we have largely lost the wisdom of Hebrews 12:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
I keep hearing people in my ward say “it’s just my job to love them”, implying there is never any time that a concerned parent should not voice their own gospel-based concerns. Are prophets the only ones who should express their concern to wayward children as Lehi did? I would ask people to study Eli in the Old Testament. Why was he condemned by the Lord?
@@danjohnson8556 amen 🙏
Dude, Bro Hal is awesome! I want to be like him!
Me too! ❤️🙏🏻☀️
This is one of my all time favorite youtube interviews on any channel, let alone Saints Unscripted :)
My wife and I have been fans of Jared's "Unshaken" Come Follow Me channel for 2 1/2 years now, having watched every episode beginning with the tail end of the D&C study year. He does an awesome job covering the scriptures and so studying the scripture with Jared's insights and inspirational comments has helped me to more fully understand and appreciate the messages and doctrine contained within our scriptures, so far.
Thanks for having this nice interview with him and this is the kind of quality content that I most love about Saints Unscripted.
In many ways Jared is my role model as far as my wanting to help others through their challenges in trying to maintain their faith in God and in the teachings of our faith in this era where there is such an information overload, with so many different voices telling us opposing views on just about any topic, religious or not. I don't have as near as thick of a skin as Jared but I'm working on that :) Having grown up as, and having spent much of my life as a sort of a perfectionist with an inferiority complex it is very challenging for me to develop a thick skin. I have however also done a fair amount of research as well as soul searching surrounding all of the truth claims of my religious faith, as well as in trying to develop a loving and trusting relationship with God in general and a more complete and logical knowledge of the reasons behind the need for a Savior and Redeemer, as well as a much closer relationship with the Savior. I will say that listening to Jared's podcast, along with my other efforts to stay on the covenant path and to read and contemplate uplifting and inspirational books (along with scripture) have helped me in this regard over the past couple of years.
I'm fairly introverted, and always have been, so it's difficult for me to share insights of my own with others who might be going through a difficult time with their religious faith. But I'm hoping to contribute, maybe at the very least on a much smaller scale than Jared is doing, to help share the burden :)
I've researched fairly deeply all of the critical arguments that I'm aware of currently, with plausible answers to them, coming out of all of this with a faith much stronger than before, and so I think at least that I'm in the 'atonement' stage rather than the 'creation' stage of my religious faith :) I am also a firm believer in science and reason as well as religion and so I feel that the answers to the questions that I've received may also appeal to the scientifically minded folks. One of the things I've appreciated a lot about Saints Unscripted is that they have a similar scientifically minded approach, especially in their 'faith and beliefs' segments which are now part of the KeystoneLDS channel with David Snell, going forward.
Bro. Halverson, I invited my brother to tell me his views on God recently. When he was done telling me he asked, "What do you think?". And I think it's thanks to studying with you and of course the help of the Holy Ghost that I was able to say, "I think it's interesting." I wasn't offended by anything he said, I wasn't worried about it. I looked at it and recognized it as his process and I was fascinated by his journey. And I was grateful he felt safe enough to share it with me. So thank you, for helping me to understand the contraries of the gospel in such a way that my faith has become unshaken and I no longer fear to hear the perspectives and journeys of others, and can instead appreciate what they've been through and their unique perspectives.
Wow, I love that.
i wish I was strong like you
So how do you teach your kids without stunting their creation phase?
48:51 reminds me of this quote…
“The second lesson is that the Lord’s work is not just to solve problems; it is to build people. So as you walk with Him in priesthood service, you may find that sometimes what seems like the most efficient solution is not the Lord’s preferred solution because it does not allow people to grow.”
President Henry B. Eyring
April 2017
I would love to see Jared Halverson have an interview with John Dehlin on Mormon stories
Me, as well.
That would be very interesting!
I would too, but I dont think John Dehlin is sincere. I don't think he would give a good-faith interview.
@@igobyandrew I think John Dehlin is one of the most sincere individuals out there in issues like this
It would be interesting and Halverson is probably the one to do it but I also am very wary of John Dehlin’s motives and sincerity. I’ve seen a lot of his podcasts and don’t love that he usually has a pretty cynical view on all things LDS and he makes good money off of his OSF foundation and channels. I understand that isn’t a problem for non LDS and can objectively see why but I’m pretty down on people making money with anything involving religion 🤷♂️
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Love Brother Halverson! As I prepared for my patriarchal blessing last year I read the BoM all the way through for the first time ever, and then decided to actually go through church history, and Brother Halverson was featured on the Come Back Podcast at almost that same time, and then I found his podcast, Faith Matters, SU, and a whooooole bunch of other fabulous resources! It’s as if God inspired all these podcasters just for me and my introverted, DIY-inclined self 😂 ❤️
Also, as a poor seminary student (…I never went; early morning is rough 😶 🙈), I totally appreciate the classes I can carry in my pocket as I go about my day from Unshaken, Follow Him, and Talking Scripture, and a few others that I have discovered after those first three. It’s the best! Especially as a mostly SAHM of growing kiddos 😊
You would enjoy watching some of the church history on the Hemlock Knots podcast. They are or were TBMs exploring tough issues in the church and use a nice systematic approach to study the various source documents on each issue.
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This is precisely why I have a difficult time with Ward Radio. To call people out in mockery is to instantly close the conversation and justify the cause of the person attacking the doctrine, church, Christ, saints, ect.
Contention is of the devil. Christ taught us to turn the cheek. He taught us to love our enemies.
Yeah Ward Radio is hit and miss for me. I like a lot topics they bring up but they are often a little too critical for my taste and I actually agree with many of the things they are critical about! I just don’t think that they are going about it the right way
If you watch their comment section, look at how Cardon Ellis using the Ward Radio account will mock or belittle opposing views, usually with a childish remark or ad hominem attack. It’s certainly OK for him to comment or engage with a viewer, but the way he does it is very un-Christ-like as mentioned above. And the viewer may not be held to that type of standard if not a believer, but a believer would be (even as a sincere follower of a false gospel)
But when the church sweeps severe abuse of someone underneath the carpet and tells the victim "not to stir up contention" and that the bully "wouldn't do that" there is a SERIOUS problem. I've gone through this in the church, and all I get told is, "There's nothing we can do but give him extra chances," and they didn't even strip his temple recommend from him. Instead, they promoted him to a position of local leadership! Come on.... having that kind of people as a leader isn't godly.
There is NO CALL for those who try to drive others to suicide and who try to bankrupt others' faith to real repentance. Instead, they're made local Institute Directors. God help the college students!
How is it that I have been in the church 41 years, have lived in multiple states and therefore many, many different wards, and I am yet to hear about this apparently “rampant”problem? Gosh these mormons are sure good at hiding things. Look, I’m not saying that what you claim didn’t happen, but for Pete’s sake put it in context. If you’re expecting perfection you will be sorely disappointed wherever you go.
Seeing so many elect fall for the counterfeit gospel tenets of the DEI/CRT/KWEER ideology is so tragic. Thanks for the episode.
Careful being critical of CRT specifically. I know many Christlike people who view it as a way to create kindness, understanding, and equality they feel is lacking. I know others view it as “woke” nonsense but I don’t think everyone who studies it is some whack job. They study because it comes from a place of love. This is exactly the kind of stuff Bro. Halvorsen is speaking of here ❤
@@HalE14 I follow Jesus Christ, not Karl Marx or any tenets of Satan that mimic the gospel. You and I most likely will disagree here, and I’m ok with that. I’m never ok following Satan, in any form. 99% truth mixed with 1% lie is still a lie. You do you.
@@HalE14People need to study what CRT really entails which is the problem with it. Equity is not equality.
@@dcarts5616my money is on neither will your interlocutor
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June 2024 for me marks the Anniversary of my ripping that band aid off of telling my spouse I just can't believe it anymore. That also includes telling my Bishop the same.
I first started nuancing my beliefs over a decade ago. The willful decision to leave my activity in the Republican party, where I saw only a Cabal of Kingmen, to join the Libertarian Party dug at my soul as much then as my faith loss now.
At that time I also embraced a more universalist idea of Omnism. It fit very well with the 13th & 11th Articles of Faith for me. Also Mark 9:38-42.
I think religion is very much a sodapop taste test. We each have a unique set of taste buds. Pepsi is nasty-sweet, Coke is extra tart, and Dr. Pepper is just right.
In 2016, aa a Libertarian candidate for Governor of Utah, I attended Pride on Saturday and went to the adult Session of my Stake Conference, wearing my rainbow tie. In that experience, with a member of the 70, in the discussion of missionary efforts, I said that it's not enough to invite people to places where we are comfortable. We have to be willing to meet them where they are comfortable.
I got kind of beat on by some people in the campaign. The false dilemma of politics divergent from leadership being problematic.
Yes I've found, as Richard Carrier wrote, reason to doubt. I've spent hundreds of hours in Biblical study. Isaiah 7 with Unshaken, Rabbi Tovia Singer, & Bart Erhman. And the odd Apologetics of the Stoddards for Polyandry... and this ridiculous Dogma space of Mary Virginity but a plural wife of God, and Pregnant by God (Brigham Young said it in the Journal of discourses before Ed Decker put it in The Gosmakers.)
My belief & hope puts God aa a Cat lover in Schrodinger's box. I've rejected the double speaking, gaslighting, God approved before God opposed craziness. And to be blunt John Gee & Kerry Muhlstein owe the late Robert K Ritner, & Klaus Baer a formal apology. When I lie I correct my own mistakes. I'll apologize as publicly and openly as I have shared my lie, or what I believed to be true.
One of the things I have loved about listening to Bart Erhman is that although he's in an Atheist space he still believes in the life of Jesus (Yeshua) and continues to seek what we he can original scroll source language.
We live in a time where the defense of Christianity is often the least Christ-like thing being done. We're born into life as caterpillars where our crysillis is that faith crisis and a genuine understanding of hope, belief, faith, & knowledge comes as we gain strength in those butterfly wings.
Some Butterflies are Mormons while others are Catholic, Methodist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist... etc. I don't want to fight people. I think there must be some substantial maturation of belief that we have no more Judases- no more feeling so distraught and alone, and like some warped foolish idea like blood-atonement is a solution. Not for a loss of faith, for loving differently, or just having doubts. Consider just as much "The Chosen" and how it crushed Thomas to see Lazarus raised after his beloved was not...
Buried my dad in the middle of June. The man who ordained me an Elder, and blessed me that I might rest until proper medical attention could be consulted. I stopped writhing from my appendicitis until the Doctor called, and then it was on again... was that, and blessings I have given mere Placebo effect?
I'm no lazy learner. I reject the leadership ad hominem and garbage excuses or justification for me being less than because my faith is shot. I'm tired of the whimsical miracle and Schadenfreude that makes a "mysterious way" in the ever changing unchangeable deity.
Hey every member a missionary l- but if you Apostates could just stifle yourself... but the new convert is an Apostate to their family they are advised to share the Gospel with...🙄🙄 let me know when the Church figures out how to be consistent and understand itself rightside out and inside out.
Still watching, but in case he doesn’t address it later. How does Dr. Halverson grapple with past LDS leader comments explaining that the LDS church worships a different God and a different Jesus than the eternal God and Jesus of the Bible, yet the Bible (at least KJV version) is part of the LDS canon? If the LDS god and LDS Jesus are fundamentally different than the gospel truth’s in the Bible, how can Mormonism be true? Specifically when God said there were no gods before Him or after Him. Or the language in John chapter 1, indicating Jesus was with God in the beginning, that all things were created through Him. Setting aside all the apologetics about horses, iron, ships, literacy, translations, plagiarism, etc, it seems the characteristics of God and Jesus are the key detractor for anyone investigating Mormonism.
Plenty of other videos on this very channel addressing all those topics, can't link them because youtube doesn't allow links in the comments but you should be able to find them.
I think the genesis of your comment is where the answer is found.
We (Latter-Day-Saints) and other Christians believe in the same God; the God of Abraham, the God of Israel, and Jesus Christ.
The differences are that the Creeds of Men dictated and enforced by torture and death the teaching of Trinity, whereas when you have the Book of Mormon like we do, it becomes clear that God is God, Christ his son, the son of man, is Christ, and the Holy Spirit who is spirit and can thus witness directly to our hearts, work together in one Godhead, under God who is God, united in purpose, aka "One in purpose", to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of Man (mankind).
For someone reading my comment, see for yourself.
Pray to God, ask if you should get a Book of Mormon, then read it, and Pray to God continuously if it is His word and work. You too will learn and know.
@@RDRTrash you missed the part where LDS leaders claimed you worship a different God and a different Jesus. Yours is not eternal, not the creator of all things. You think it’s the same word when you say God or Jesus, but it isn’t. Quite the opposite, a false gospel altogether. It’s amazing you cannot see that you’ve minimized God and exalted man in the LDS church. Exactly as Satan wants you to do.
"....worships a different Jesus than the eternal God and Jesus of the Bible..."
Hint: this impression you have is horrobly incorrect, or, conversely, absolutely true, and it's a good thing. Study the context behind why anyone would make this claim and you'll have your answer.
@@vendingdudes your own church leaders made this comment. Not me. Perhaps you need to study more
I was bullied from kindergarten until graduation in high school. I will not turn the other cheek. Jesus was actually very critical of the elites and always defended his faith. He was not beta
Jared is clearly biased as a Mormon. His whole family and friends are Mormon. Of course he defends his faith. Although I've been Mormon my whole life, I defend Oriental Orthodoxy (Armenian) because it's early Christianity and Apostolic. The Mormon Church has apostles who have never seen Jesus. Jared acts like a victim, but that doesn't mean what he says is true.
God, the Trinity is real. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit speaks to us.
True Christianity is real, but Mormonism is separate because Joseph was a trickster.
Since most people's circumstance makes it difficult to join an ideal church, it's only feasible that God planned for us to live where we live and interact and help the people we find ourselves with, even if our faith does not perfectly match theirs, and this includes the Church we find ourselves in. It's advantageous to make friends with those you think might hold closer beliefs to yours, and limit conflict with those you disagree with. Religion is like math, it gets more complicated -although more rewarding, the longer you study it.
You can instill the original orthodox gospel into any church you already belong to that believes in Jesus, the son of Mary. You do not need to change your church unless you want to, for example if your church is harmful or too exclusive. You can just bring these original principles to your church and enjoy the community you are used to.
I applaud your belief in the Trinity ❤ I don’t have an opinion on how you approach the Mormon church, but I’m sure you’ll get the good ol’ judgement for it from your brethren as you have in other posts. Keep being you as God made you.
The godhead doctrine makes way more sense when you examine the scriptures than does the trinity.