Love seeing those classic tractors and the 2250 with the cat V8 looks cool. I just bought a 1970 Massey Ferguson 1150 with the Perkins 510 cubic inch V8 nicely painted up and restored with brand new tires. Good used tractors are bringing top dollar at auctions now.
The 2255 was produced from 1972 to 1976, and through 1974 it had the 3150 V-8 I am seeing here (9.4L/573 CID), and then for 1975-76 it changed to the 3208 (10.4L/636 CID, same 4.5" bore and 5" stroke as earlier 3160).
I’m impressed that the lights even work on the 880 after sitting all those years. Also on the 2255, I think some of them had a pull string on the back to help start….
When I pulled the light switch, I thought... this is an effort in futility, and yet they all lit up. That's probably where all my luck went, because I didn't win the powerball last night. And why I forgot about the pull string on the back of a Cat.
You forgot the feline rule. You wake up a sleeping cat, you have to rub its head a bit before it gets up and going. Hope your crops are all bin-busters.
Thanks, Gary! Finished up the beans last night. They did good, but they definitely had a lot more potential from all the 3 bean pods with only 2 beans in them.
I have a Detroit in my Hesston 7655 side dump chopper that we still use each year. At least my engine is behind & below me. I can’t imagine listening to all that noise with that detroit right in front of me!
That other battery really picked up the cranking speed. Almost sounded like 24v. Probably solenoid contacts weldel and caused the hung start. I worked all summer on a deal for a 2-180 FWA . Finally came home .
Awesome on the 2-180! In hindsight, I remember having to tap on that solenoid a couple times in the past. I think it gave me fair warning and I didn't listen.
Nice video! Would have liked to see the Cat pull those bins, but it wasn't in the cards. Next time maybe. Herman got a good workout, they need that once in awhile.
Thanks! It didn't show up in the video, but that clip where Herman is pulling after dark really cleaned out the wet stacking in the exhaust. There was quite a bit of smoke!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yeah those Detroits seem to do that. I'm hoping to run our 1900 today along with maybe a few others. Would like to get the 2255 out again. Got some nice weather to help us out.
Yeah Chris that sounds just like my childhood her neighbor had a 1950 Detroit and when I hear that this memories from when I was 7 8 9 10 years old that's another one I want a 1950 Detroit they're hard to get and they're expensive LOL sounds sweet memories
I hate seeing equipment sit. My 1850 doesn’t get much use these days and it’s been a pita getting it ready for blade duty this winter but I think she’s ready to go
The smaller 2 are Behlen bins, and they have been there as long as I can remember. I bet they are at least 50 years old. The one I was filling is a Read, I think it went up in the early 70s.
the 2ND battery made a difference between day and night more cranking amps 2 turn motor over faster and start diesel engines don't like cold weather 2 batteries was the way 👍 2 go on that 👍 the water pump on the tractor U shake and make sure the bearing isn't bad the water pump leaking is a seal or o ring bad all of those engines back then are old school and they didn't have glow plugs it started alot better w 2 batteries most diesel pickups 2 day have 2 batteries I remember a old diesel truck it didn't cold weather at all U had 2 turn the key switch on and push the glow plug button in and hold until the light went out most of the time 5 or 6 times it would look like a old mack truck a cloud of smoke around it after it was running diesel engines use a bigger oil pan than gas engines the motor oil is cold years ago alot of people 2 use block heaters 4 diesel engines U don't see that anymore they eat alot of electricity unless U use a generator OMG 12 8 2O22
3208 are about the best cold starters for USA engines, they were designed by Ford n Cat as a gas burner, 636 cu inches of gas burner!! But then gas crisis hit! Got changed to diesel, bottom ends are a little weak but decent engine
Never had one , but lots of neighbors have . They mostly claim that if you run 500 rpm below governor max and do a bearing roll every 2000 hrs then they last years
I had two Massey 4 wheel drive tractors, a 1500 with a 3150 and a 1505 with a 3208. 3208 would start almost too fast so I put a Murphy system on it so it would have oil pressure before it started. 1505 with the 3208 had way more power, must have been turned up? They were good tractors, not great but good.
There's no replacement for displacement. The marine application of the 3208 would really put out some power, but when you have basically an infinite heat sink to cool the engine, you can do that.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I have a lot of friends that worked for Cat back in those days. One told me the 3208 was fine in most ag / light truck power levels, but the marine versions with turbos and injectors set up for power numbers 300+ hp, they tended to have a lot more problems.
I tripped the shut down once, it worked and easily reset. He doesn't use oil, and if he's worked, the exhaust dries right up. I think it's mostly too much putzing around.
I remember dad and I went to an auction near Marshall that had a 1900 fwa. It was sitting there idling for an hour or so before the auction and there was no signs of wet stacking, no leaks. Dad bid it up over what he wanted to pay, but the other guy just kept nodding his head. I don't know who it was, but someone told us afterwards that he was the type that would bid until he had it. I guess they were right.
I thought that first hill was going to get him. He was digging a bit as well, and with the wide tires that was making for loose soil for the wagons to go through, making it worse. The road wouldn't have as much rolling resistance, put I'm betting he'd still make some noise.
Don’t mean to hijack your channel but a good friend has an old gas Oliver combine for sale that was hardly ever used - it’s the nicest antique combine I have ever seen. I bet it hasn’t worked 100 acres in its entire life. Does anyone know anyone who may want this piece of history?
The Lumberjack Jackyl Composition: Jesse James Dupree Ha haaa I was born in the backwoods Of a two-bit nowhere town Fathered up some rock 'n' roll (baby) So your mothers could boogie down I ain't whistling Dixie No I'm a rebel with a groove All around the world the go 'round and 'round When they dig on my new stainless steel sound oh, yeah I'm said i'm a lumberjack oh baby And I'm gonna cut you down to size I'm a lumberjack now baby And you're the one you're the one that gets my prize When you hear my motor running You know I suerly I surely be coppin' a rise Oh! So I'm gonna crank it up down the alley and jack it Woo I'm a lumberjack now baby I'm a lumberjack now baby I'm a lumberjack now baby Ohh I'm a lumberjack now baby But I ain't jacked my lumber baby Since my chainsaw you Ha haaa Whether you like it or whether you don't woo That's the way we like it
Every tractor I have I have straight piped the 1955 88 John Deere a but if I had that tractor I would have a muffler that Beast is loud when the neighbor had his it had a muffler on it but it didn't sound like it did it was still loud LOL I like my Waukesha but that Detroit sounds good
LOL Chris you got blasted with smoke couldn't even see you yeah all them tractors you got you couldn't afford to keep batteries and all of them or keep them up that'd be expensive
When it came to higher horsepower, they felt they weren't going to sell enough to justify the development costs of their own Oliver/Waukesha engine. Waukesha on their own was heading towards huge engines, like the kind that are bigger than a tractor.
@@jeffwilliams3642 there was a time when Oliver owned part of Waukesha, but it was never 100%. Oliver would do their own engineering so there was differences between the Waukesha in an Oliver tractor and the engines that Waukesha sold.
@@kevinsiedschlag429 even at 80 hp , I had a 310 and had to overhaul it . The crank looked lighter than a 6 cyl chev , 7/16 headbolts if I recall right . Just not made to take putting out that horse . That being said if they left them at 60 hp instead of turning them up , then turboing , then after cooling . Never had one better for winter starting , feeding cattle
hey look kids, a real tractor, one you can work on yourself and you don't have to have a "service tech" live with you to keep running like the green ones of today! real men don't need no stinking air conditioning
Displacement was the biggest difference, with the 3150 having 573 cubic inches and the 3208 having 636. They were both tuned to Oliver's specs, so the 3208 only ended up with 2 more horsepower. The injection pump on the 3150 was a straight inline arrangement, but the 3208 pump looks like a small v8 engine, so it took up much less space. There were other smaller differences as well.
At first, no. The early 3208s had a problem with dropping valves. We had a customer that got a complete new engine for his 2255 because of that problem. Oliver paid for it, and I'd be willing to bet they passed the bill along to Cat. The 3208 was the replacement for the 3150, so they look almost identical on the outside and will fit in the same space. There's a replacement for the 3208 that will drop right in as well, but I don't recall the model number of that one off the top of my head.
Love seeing those classic tractors and the 2250 with the cat V8 looks cool. I just bought a 1970 Massey Ferguson 1150 with the Perkins 510 cubic inch V8 nicely painted up and restored with brand new tires. Good used tractors are bringing top dollar at auctions now.
I used to have a 880. Loved it! Thanks for keeping this old iron running. And using it! From S E Indiana.
The 2255 was produced from 1972 to 1976, and through 1974 it had the 3150 V-8 I am seeing here (9.4L/573 CID), and then for 1975-76 it changed to the 3208 (10.4L/636 CID, same 4.5" bore and 5" stroke as earlier 3160).
I’m impressed that the lights even work on the 880 after sitting all those years. Also on the 2255, I think some of them had a pull string on the back to help start….
When I pulled the light switch, I thought... this is an effort in futility, and yet they all lit up. That's probably where all my luck went, because I didn't win the powerball last night. And why I forgot about the pull string on the back of a Cat.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris 🤣🤣🤣 it’s just as well. I’ve heard that an Oliver won’t pull that string anyway.
Honestly, who would want to???
@@ThatOliverGuyChris WWECD?
I Wish Oliver tractors were still in Production, Nice Tractors, I may have to get 1 some day
Made for a great video as always bro, just love that Detroit sound. This video shows ya sure don't need new gear to get the job done. Safe travels
Thanks! I can tell you that I'm not waiting on any chips to fix my equipment.
Love the old Olivers. I grew up with our "big" tractor being an Oliver.
You forgot the feline rule. You wake up a sleeping cat, you have to rub its head a bit before it gets up and going. Hope your crops are all bin-busters.
Thanks, Gary! Finished up the beans last night. They did good, but they definitely had a lot more potential from all the 3 bean pods with only 2 beans in them.
Nothing better than the sound of a Detroit! 😍
Might as well do the water pump/ fan shroud and the solenoid on the 2255 later this winter. Harvest takes priority.
Definitely. Or the next rain delay.
I have a Detroit in my Hesston 7655 side dump chopper that we still use each year. At least my engine is behind & below me. I can’t imagine listening to all that noise with that detroit right in front of me!
That other battery really picked up the cranking speed. Almost sounded like 24v. Probably solenoid contacts weldel and caused the hung start. I worked all summer on a deal for a 2-180 FWA . Finally came home .
Awesome on the 2-180! In hindsight, I remember having to tap on that solenoid a couple times in the past. I think it gave me fair warning and I didn't listen.
Nice video! Would have liked to see the Cat pull those bins, but it wasn't in the cards. Next time maybe. Herman got a good workout, they need that once in awhile.
Thanks! It didn't show up in the video, but that clip where Herman is pulling after dark really cleaned out the wet stacking in the exhaust. There was quite a bit of smoke!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yeah those Detroits seem to do that. I'm hoping to run our 1900 today along with maybe a few others. Would like to get the 2255 out again. Got some nice weather to help us out.
We've got a nice forecast for this week. Maybe corn will go quick and I can do some fall tillage with the 2255.
I think Herman is the coolest tractor on TH-cam
Nothing turns diesel fuel into smoke and noise better than a two stroke Detroit Diesel!
i always liked oliver and esp the screamin jimmys ohh the sound of them is so awesome
Yeah Chris that sounds just like my childhood her neighbor had a 1950 Detroit and when I hear that this memories from when I was 7 8 9 10 years old that's another one I want a 1950 Detroit they're hard to get and they're expensive LOL sounds sweet memories
Thanks Chris,
The DD sound is stand alone. Love CAT also. Nice video. Boe
Thanks!
Herman handled those wagons like a 🏆
I hate seeing equipment sit. My 1850 doesn’t get much use these days and it’s been a pita getting it ready for blade duty this winter but I think she’s ready to go
I never saw that 1900 until this video. Cool!
It's in a few videos.
Love the detroit sound but honestly don't know if I would want to spend all day in a field with one in an OOS even with hearing protection
If ya drove a truck with one you would miss that sound
@3:14 THAT is why you point the rain cap forward. 🙂
😂
It ain't like you're going 10miles down the road, it will be ok, Hermann can handle it. Don't know why but, I've always been partial to the 2255's.
The harder a Detroit works better they like it. And are not a quitter 😁 go Hermon
Thanks for the video Chris. I would say you was running late for supper
Yep, I told them to start without me.
Damn guys, Donaldson makes these things called mufflers
I'm more of a Nelson guy.
You know the old saying "If you don't use it you loose it!" It applies to Tractors too! LOL
I wouldn't mind eating smoke like you did when she woke from her long slumber.
Paul from Iowa says, turn your rain cap 180 degrees and the smoke will go the other direction, what's your thought
Great video ol Herman to the rescue lol how old r those bins with the rusty roofs they must be old I've never seen that bin before
The smaller 2 are Behlen bins, and they have been there as long as I can remember. I bet they are at least 50 years old. The one I was filling is a Read, I think it went up in the early 70s.
The 2255's are nothing shy of impressive
I think Herman had a good time 👍
I had forgot the sweet sound of the screamer. Dad had a supper 99. Wonder why I can’t hardly hear myself think now.
Would've liked to see 6-71 option in the big Oliver's instead of just the cat
Those vibrating V8 cats destroyed everything in their path, alternators, radiators, ac compressors, sheet metal. We had 2 2255’s and a 4-180
Yep. Good ol Clatterpillar!
I seen it had the 3150 , I use to operate a MF 1500 had the same engine in it
Dang that cat sounds good
🤣🤣 Chris disappeared for a minute in a cloud of smoke. Must be awlful having nothing but Oliver's in you she'd. 😏 I'm sure your manage. Lol
It was my magic trick!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris lol
Can't beat a 3208 for a cold start.
More than likely it's a 1145 or 1160 cat depending on the year,3150 was just a number applied to that application
the 2ND battery made a difference between day and night more cranking amps 2 turn motor over faster and start diesel engines don't like cold weather 2 batteries was the way 👍 2 go on that 👍 the water pump on the tractor U shake and make sure the bearing isn't bad the water pump leaking is a seal or o ring bad all of those engines back then are old school and they didn't have glow plugs it started alot better w 2 batteries most diesel pickups 2 day have 2 batteries I remember a old diesel truck it didn't cold weather at all U had 2 turn the key switch on and push the glow plug button in and hold until the light went out most of the time 5 or 6 times it would look like a old mack truck a cloud of smoke around it after it was running diesel engines use a bigger oil pan than gas engines the motor oil is cold years ago alot of people 2 use block heaters 4 diesel engines U don't see that anymore they eat alot of electricity unless U use a generator OMG 12 8 2O22
That Detroit really sounds crisp in the night air!! Gota love it!!!
Great video!
Thank you!
Got to love the sound of a Detroit pottering along under load.....
Low battery power will cause the contacts to stick, a battery disconnect switch is not a bad idea might avoid a fire one day
This one has the ultimate disconnect, it doesn't have batteries when not in use.
love a detroit sound
Herman is on the job, he has the muscle with that Cat... Thanks Chris have a great week!
Thanks, you too!
3208 are about the best cold starters for USA engines, they were designed by Ford n Cat as a gas burner, 636 cu inches of gas burner!! But then gas crisis hit! Got changed to diesel, bottom ends are a little weak but decent engine
Never had one , but lots of neighbors have . They mostly claim that if you run 500 rpm below governor max and do a bearing roll every 2000 hrs then they last years
I had two Massey 4 wheel drive tractors, a 1500 with a 3150 and a 1505 with a 3208.
3208 would start almost too fast so I put a Murphy system on it so it would have oil pressure before it started.
1505 with the 3208 had way more power, must have been turned up?
They were good tractors, not great but good.
There's no replacement for displacement. The marine application of the 3208 would really put out some power, but when you have basically an infinite heat sink to cool the engine, you can do that.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I have a lot of friends that worked for Cat back in those days. One told me the 3208 was fine in most ag / light truck power levels, but the marine versions with turbos and injectors set up for power numbers 300+ hp, they tended to have a lot more problems.
After White bought Moline and Cockshutt, could you deal them off you wanted to?
No, you had to have a contract for each brand in order to sell them.
Seems a little slow to fire up. Mine doesn’t turn over a revolutions and it’s running even in the teens ..🤔
Morning Chris with his wet stacking was wondering if he has a set of shut down shutters and are they free moving
I tripped the shut down once, it worked and easily reset. He doesn't use oil, and if he's worked, the exhaust dries right up. I think it's mostly too much putzing around.
🤣 that’s what normally does it. Was just wondering
I remember dad and I went to an auction near Marshall that had a 1900 fwa. It was sitting there idling for an hour or so before the auction and there was no signs of wet stacking, no leaks. Dad bid it up over what he wanted to pay, but the other guy just kept nodding his head. I don't know who it was, but someone told us afterwards that he was the type that would bid until he had it. I guess they were right.
2255 starts: Chris disappears in a cloud.
😂
Herman wakes the dead! But of corse! It's halloween!!!!
love it
Top show
Thank you
Sounds like Herman got the job done. He just growled a little louder than the cat would've.
Think Herman had all he wanted with those two wagons, I don't think he would like road gear...........
I thought that first hill was going to get him. He was digging a bit as well, and with the wide tires that was making for loose soil for the wagons to go through, making it worse. The road wouldn't have as much rolling resistance, put I'm betting he'd still make some noise.
You should do some work with the 1900 sometime
It needs to get out and work again. Maybe some auger work this fall. Here it is plowing
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Good video Chris. I sent you another email just now.
Don’t mean to hijack your channel but a good friend has an old gas Oliver combine for sale that was hardly ever used - it’s the nicest antique combine I have ever seen. I bet it hasn’t worked 100 acres in its entire life. Does anyone know anyone who may want this piece of history?
Where is it located?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris central PA
What is the Oliver combine in the background at the beginning?
It's a 525. Unfortunately it has a rod knock.
Future project?
Hopefully
Cummins is getting the job done currently, end of discussion
On most days on my farm, that is correct.
The Lumberjack
Jackyl
Composition: Jesse James Dupree
Ha haaa
I was born in the backwoods
Of a two-bit nowhere town
Fathered up some rock 'n' roll (baby)
So your mothers could boogie down
I ain't whistling Dixie
No I'm a rebel with a groove
All around the world the go 'round and 'round
When they dig on my new stainless steel sound oh, yeah
I'm said i'm a lumberjack oh baby
And I'm gonna cut you down to size
I'm a lumberjack now baby
And you're the one you're the one that gets my prize
When you hear my motor running
You know I suerly I surely be coppin' a rise
Oh! So I'm gonna crank it up down the alley and jack it
Woo
I'm a lumberjack now baby
I'm a lumberjack now baby
I'm a lumberjack now baby
Ohh I'm a lumberjack now baby
But I ain't jacked my lumber baby
Since my chainsaw you
Ha haaa
Whether you like it or whether you don't woo
That's the way we like it
Every tractor I have I have straight piped the 1955 88 John Deere a but if I had that tractor I would have a muffler that Beast is loud when the neighbor had his it had a muffler on it but it didn't sound like it did it was still loud LOL I like my Waukesha but that Detroit sounds good
How do you decide what tractor to use?
It can be tough sometimes. 😆
LOL Chris you got blasted with smoke couldn't even see you yeah all them tractors you got you couldn't afford to keep batteries and all of them or keep them up that'd be expensive
No doubt. I could buy another Oliver or 2 with all that battery money.
This comes from the title Detroit vs Cat. I was wondering if you had any insight into why Oliver went away from Waukesha engines?
When it came to higher horsepower, they felt they weren't going to sell enough to justify the development costs of their own Oliver/Waukesha engine. Waukesha on their own was heading towards huge engines, like the kind that are bigger than a tractor.
Oliver didnt own the Waukesha?
@@jeffwilliams3642 there was a time when Oliver owned part of Waukesha, but it was never 100%. Oliver would do their own engineering so there was differences between the Waukesha in an Oliver tractor and the engines that Waukesha sold.
They were junk above 80hp!!!
@@kevinsiedschlag429 even at 80 hp , I had a 310 and had to overhaul it . The crank looked lighter than a 6 cyl chev , 7/16 headbolts if I recall right . Just not made to take putting out that horse . That being said if they left them at 60 hp instead of turning them up , then turboing , then after cooling . Never had one better for winter starting , feeding cattle
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hey look kids, a real tractor, one you can work on yourself and you don't have to have a "service tech" live with you to keep running like the green ones of today! real men don't need no stinking air conditioning
low voltage will fry those solenoids in a big hurry
I'm sure i wasn't doing it any favors.
What cat cat engine does it have
Herman to the rescue! Why am I not surprised?
Pull it outside as soon as the engine fires. Cancer treatment hurts1
Mechanic in a can fix the 880?
The radiator stop leak? Yep, it dried thing right up.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Yes, mechanic in a can where I am at..............Glad it worked.
How different what the 3150 from 3208?
Displacement was the biggest difference, with the 3150 having 573 cubic inches and the 3208 having 636. They were both tuned to Oliver's specs, so the 3208 only ended up with 2 more horsepower. The injection pump on the 3150 was a straight inline arrangement, but the 3208 pump looks like a small v8 engine, so it took up much less space. There were other smaller differences as well.
@@ThatOliverGuyChriswas the the 3208 just better? And could you drop a 3208 right in is your 3150 died?
At first, no. The early 3208s had a problem with dropping valves. We had a customer that got a complete new engine for his 2255 because of that problem. Oliver paid for it, and I'd be willing to bet they passed the bill along to Cat. The 3208 was the replacement for the 3150, so they look almost identical on the outside and will fit in the same space. There's a replacement for the 3208 that will drop right in as well, but I don't recall the model number of that one off the top of my head.
Could never figure out why people wanted Detroit's in tractors, so noisy!!
Same reason they like Harley Davidson motorcycles.
The 3208 is the worst Caterpillar engine ever built
I guess that by the process of elmination, one of their engines has to be the worst.
Detroit sounds