I wonder if his tactics is keep the ball as much as you can (they basically have ALL the ball) and wear down the opponent. Keep them running. That's what they did and it worked...just 😅
It's unbelievable. He should've come on at half time yet didnt even touch the pitch in 120 minutes! He fixes so much for us being a natural winger and having pace.
The LB thing is mental to me. You’ve got Joe Gomez, a guy who has started LB for Liverpool for the bulk on the season and played REALLY well, sitting on the bench and we’re talking about Saka as LB? 🤯 MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
I’ve really liked Gomez at LB this season, but it would be the same problem because a Gomez still drifts inside into midfield. We need width on the left, which was a big reason TAA didn’t work. There a quite a few moving parts as to why this team isn’t working at the moment. Whenever a player has the ball, he has 6 players standing still looking at them
You still need to play Gordon if you start Gomez because he also wants to cut in on the left, whenever he played there for Liverpool you had Diaz hugging the sidelines
@@matthewbrears2129I understand what you’re saying, but Gomez was instructed to do that this season in the absence of Trent. You have to remember he is naturally a CB, so in this case Trent could play RB and drop into midfield and we’d go to a back three with a natural CB on the left? I think it would work better that what we are currently doing
@@OllieSach sounds like a great plan. Just annoying that we still don’t have a starting 11. Closest I felt we had to a starting 11 was in the France game at the last World Cup
Having Foden and Trippier on the same flank means you have an entire side of the team that want to play inside. Nobody will go on the outside. Similar issue on the right except Walker isn't actually overlapping/underlapping when he feasibly could. As ineffective as Kane has been, I wouldn't be against playing to 10's in Foden and Bellingham with Gordon on the left. The frustration is that there are better solutions to a lot of the problems England has but Southgate is incredibly loyal and risk averse hence any changes will be minimal. Even the changes he made yesterday felt forced.
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes. Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
@@wrfootball3847 we were 2 minutes away from going out and saved by an incredibly lucky goal and you're trying to tell us it was all going to plan? and when was the right back going to get worn down? he hardly had a thing to do all game
@Michael-me6qu yes I'm not sure, but it's the only explanation I have. When I watched the game it was clear to me and my friends England were the stronger team...they had ALL the ball. Southgate trusted his players and it worked. Maybe as he said in his interview, he didn't want to disrupt the shape. I'm just trying to work out how he thinks. He has got us far in knockout football whichever way you look at it. It's ugly yes, but it kinda has worked. Also if you look back at past tournaments this isn't unique to England, there have been many ugly tournament wins.
I've been calling for this since before the tournament started, but I do worry it might be a bit late to make such a big change to the team structure this late into the tournament
Southgate is playing a version of Emery's formation. LB goes high left, RW high right. RB tucks in. Then LW comes inside to form left 10 alongside the other 10 to form a box midfield wit the 2 6's. Issue is it does not suit England's players. Kane refuses to stretch the field to clear space for the 10's, Bellingham keeps going into Fodens spot so you lose the box midfield and Trippier has no left foot so no width on the left. I would just invert it, LB tucks in (play Gomez/Walker), play TAA RB who goes high and right. Play Gordan left wing to provide width on the left. Play Foden/Palmer on the right to drift inside to form the right 10, Bellingham plays the left 10. I would also play Watkins for first 60 then play Kane when everyone gets tired.
Palmer didn’t do anything when he came so it’s quite infuriating that people are so blind to what actually happened. It’s so clear what’s needed and that’s Bellingham goes next to Rice,Gordon on the left,Foden to cam and then walker can go left back with Trent at right back. Such a simple fix that would make the team more balanced.
You can get away with Trippier at LB if there is a wide player (Gordon) ahead of him who'll use the space but if we have nobody to attack that space it just a huge area of the pitch the opposition doesn't need to defend which means that all the other areas are that much more congested. Trippier had one moment where he actually stayed wide and went with his left foot and it almost came to something. He needs to be given the instruction to do that more or he should be hooked.
For me you have to start Gordon on the left. If you think you still need pace in defence then play Walker at LB and TAA at RB. Kane Saka and Gordon on the pitch. Pop Foden in at 10, Rice and Bellingham chilling in the centre. Konsa on at CB... it really is that simple and yet apparently it is very very complicated
The thing about Toney winning headers is so underrated. Every attack or set play we had was spraying in crosses and I didn't notice us win a single one. We were massively outclassed in terms of height and strength and so no clue why we were still attacking through crosses
Why does Cole Palmer have to start (on the wing)? Serious question. I just saw someone who did not beat his man and who was just as wasteful in possession What I learnt was that Gordon and Bowen must start to provide some natural width, pace and directness. Kane would benefit as he would have people running behind him and two players capable of cutting the ball back into the box. Something we have done very very rarely.
I’m sorry but aimless crosses are not effective. Palmer’s decision making was bad and we witnessed it in the last counter attack as well when it was 3 v 2 and he passed it to the Slovakian defender.
Agreed, people talking about Palmer in for Saka like it's a given - Saka was the only player getting in behind their defence despite receiving no help from Walker. Not his best game but he was better than Palmer
@@guyfishyeah, I said on my Twitter that Saka is a victim of being hindered by Walker. Everyone is saying Saka isn’t performing but if he didn’t have Walker behind him and had someone decent going forward, his game would be completely different. He would be much more effective. Also doesn’t help that when he gets a chance to do anything, Kane was plodding along like he had no urgency to get into the box at all. Palmer had more chances to “do” something cause of the rest of the personnel on the pitch/change of shape. Not cause he’s better than Saka.
When England briefly played a 5-3-2 they looked really good, Saka, Eze, Gordon or Trent as wing backs solves the width problem & 2 up top gets Kane help with his movement.
Exactly, 3-5-2 allows you the width on the sides. Saka and Eze would be my wingbacks for their pace and dribbling. Then playing 2 up front helps Kane. He can drop off and then a striker like Watkins can occupy the penalty area.
When England make more of the changes that people keep calling for, it weakens them defensively. Yes, the play appears livelier - even if not being that much more effective - but spaces open up all over the place between the players after they lose the ball and when pressing. A lot of the chat seems to be ignoring this and only focusing on the attack. It was evident against Iceland but people put it down to only being a friendly. It is probably a big influence on Southgate's selection decisions that people aren't taking into enough consideration.
Im not having the idea we looked better with Saka left back. We looked worse! The spell from half time until thst substitution was our best in the game, we looked disjointed from the sub.
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes. Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
‘Cole Palmer affected the game massively’?????? What on earth where you watching, he gave the ball away constantly and gets credited for doing things saka does but he’s apparently he’s performing like 2010 Messi
I hope palmer starts so we can see the press blame another random player. Reckon if palmer starts they blame walker next 😂 it’s not the fuckin players idk why we are even discussing the squad
@@crispouk3070 remember the loss to Iceland with the front three of Foden Kane and Palmer? Remember who was on the cover of all major English newspapers
The way Southgate has treated and played TAA (and a couple others tbh) is criminal. The only reason why Walker plays ahead of Trent is due to his pace and defending. Walker was (and has been) SHOCKING both on and off the ball, and Trent didn't even get on the pitch in AET? Crazy.
I was at the game too, I've not felt something like that since forest won at Wembley, absolutely unbelievable. We've got so many problems but after seeing that I've just got a feeling that this tournament is gonna go in off our arse and we'll win it.
I'm not even saying i don't rate Palmer but i am begging someone to tell me one thing he did. Didnt beat a man, he doesn't run in behind, doesn't stretch play or offer real width. Every time he got the ball, he moved inside and tried the million dollar pass, which came off 0 times. I think he's a great player but he is not the solution. There was a counter situation where Kane gets the ball, looks for a pass, nobody is running, gives it to Palmer, who also looks for a pass. Just another ball to feet 10 on the wing. Meanwhile Saka has been the best (only) winger for England, most consistently threatening player who can actually take on a man and is willing to play simple link passes because he doesn't have the main character syndrome that every other player in this team has, and he gets moved to LB lmao. The thing thats most maddening is people saying "the game changed" - no it didn't. England were as shit before Palmer as they were after. The goal was a bit of scrap, and brilliance from Bellingham. It had nothing to do with any tactical changes, except Toney being an influential physical presence. Saying Palmer changed the game is the same as saying England scored because Foden went off. It isn't actually true lol
Thank you. I’m a Chelsea fan I feel the same. Despite others trying to drag him into the mess of the ineffective attack, Saka has been the best of the starting line so far and I don’t understand why others insist that he shouldn’t start. For some reason, most people can’t fathom not having City players on the team but replace Walker with TAA, and Foden with a proper winger, and Tripper with Gomez or Konza and you’ll see balance. Bring in Toney and Palmer as impact subs.
@@xmari3goldx yeah and to reiterate, in a different team with a different system, Palmer could make sense. As a 10 behind Watkins he would be the right choice
Palmer starting doesn't change the shape of the team or approach to the game. You'd still be praying for that moment of magic. It doesn't fix the underlying problem that England currently don't appear to have a game model (apologies for the cringey jargon). e.g. does the team coordinate to open/close spaces?
Left field but Shaw surprised everyone when he filled in at LCB at United. Could be that he's not fit enough to bomb up and down the wing but could do a job there
Our biggest single problem has been getting out when we get pegged back. Ivan and Harry together physically are much more competitive. That change worked so well (Ivan was involved in both goals as well)
The ironic thing - after all the “Trent is a failed experiment’ talk - is that England have played at their best in this tournament when Trent has played.
Foden, Walker, Trippier shouldn't start the next game. They can come on if needs must (I doubt Southgate makes the right substitutions anyway). Let Gordon, Trent, and preferably a left footed defender but Southgate didn't think to bring a fit one because why would he? And let them have 90 minutes. Can't be worse than any of what those three showed up this tournament so far.
he didnt set the place laight but he was decent. Saka had become v predictableso it was an upgrade at least. i swear someon in the camp is drugging their coffee cos they are all looking watsted
Everyone saying Gareth can't organise an attack because he's a defender by nature, but he's not even good at that. Slovakia were far better without the ball and limited England all over the pitch, forcing errors and restricing England to zero shots on target for 93 minutes. In truth, Gareth is bad at every kind of tactic.
I think the 4-4-2 out of possession into the 3-4-2-1 in possession is the best we’ve seen from Southgate tactically. And prior to the Slovakia game the only goal we’d conceded was a Hojberg long shot. The most worrying thing for me was how easy Slovakia scored Ignoring the first 30minutes vs Serbia every game we have gotten better
With walker having a shocker of a tournament on his preferred side , why is no one thinking about trippier in his correct position. 11 assists last season shouldn’t be overlooked
There is also a cohesion problem between Kane and Phoden. Kane does not go in behind and comes deep instead. This is the exact opposite of how Haaland plays in City, where he stands really high and never come deep forcing the opposittion centre backs to stay back, creating half spaces between attack and midfield lines.... Exactly where Phoden thrives playing. Southgate need to take an attacking decision, either take of Phoden or Kane, if you want to play to any of the players strenghts. To fix that you could either play Watkins Phoden (creating space in the half spaces) or Kane Gordon (activating the space in behind on the left).
The thing is that no one is talking about is Foden. Every game he’s started out wide, then drifted inside to the point where he’s essentially playing attacking mid, and we have ZERO width on the left side, we must start a winger who’ll keep the width and go in behind, OR a left footer at LB who’ll overlap to create that width
Our players could do with learning something about our tactics. For the 2nd game in a row they're waving their hands at each other within 10 minutes as if no one has a clue what's going on.
Tactically we need to look at the last few games, not enough shots on target (1 shot on target and it came in the 95th minute). We've got some of the best chance creators at club level and arguably the best finisher in football yet we can't register a shot on target? Nobody seems to be talking about our lack of chances! We're prioritising possession over chances which means we move deeper and deeper to retain the ball. Kane has received criticism because there's nothing on for him, same for the likes of Foden, Saka, Bellingham. If you look at Spain vs Georgia, Spain were 1 nil down and they managed to get 13 shots on target and win 4-1. The possession they had was right in the Georgia box not their own. If it were England we would be waiting for 1 shot in the 95th minute. If I know Southgate, I'd expect a 5 at the back vs Switzerland with Guehi out.
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes. Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
@@wrfootball3847 Yes and that's been England's 'plan' throughout, it won't work against stronger opposition. If we hadn't scored in the 95th minute we wouldn't be saying 'but we had 70% possession'. Goals win games.
@Lylepr well I agree yes. But if you look back at tournament history there have been teams that won the tournament in ugly fashion. I'm just trying to work out his thinking. He must have some method, he jas done pretty well in all his tournaments. Something is working. People say lucky draws. Well you make your own luck. England have topped their groups in most/all Southgates tournaments and the reward is you play the second place team of another group! You make your own luck! Southgate isn't responsible for the draw, but it helps to win opening games and top the group. That rarely happened before
I thought that when he brought eze on. you have brought three wingers for the left - two (foden and eze) have been ineffective, one, in the brief moment he played was great and was the best player on the pitvch agains bosnia for whatever that is worth. Must hate Gordon for some reason
Why the calls for Palmer? He had zero impact because similarly to Saka nobody wants to play a ball in behind. The number of times you see them both making runs and they get ignored until they come short to get the ball to feet.
If you cant play trent and saka as full backs, play a 343 formation with saka and trent as wide midfielders. Back 3 of gomez stones and walker/konsa. And a front 3 of gordon kane/toney and palmer
@@antonyallen8025 Couldn’t agree more, everyone saying you can’t play Trent and Saka is ridiculous, we just need to revert to a 3 atb. And that would give Kane space to drop into the 10 and Gordon/Palmer to overlap
I didn’t see tactics. Everyone in the pub was joking saying go on then pass it to the cb, pass it to the lb, pass it to the cb, pass to the cb, pass it the to the rb, then back to the cb. Shocking. We won that not because of Southgate but in spite of him.
Have to move to a 3-4-2-1 for me. Back 3 of Guehi (Konsa for next game), Stones and Kyle Walker. Pivot of Rice and Mainoo. Saka RWB and Gordon LWB. Bellingham and Palmer (or Foden) in the 10s and Kane up top. Makes so much sense to me, Gordon and Saka have the industry to get back and defend while providing width in attack. Stones can step into midfield with the protection of two centre backs next to him. Keeps both Bellingham and Foden in central positions. Talk to me James...
I'm sorry but you're giving Southgate too much credit. Over four games he's changed players in two positions, despite our attack looking awful in every game bar the first 30 minutes of the first game. We took 90 minutes to get a shot on target against Slovakia. The attacking lineup is non-functional and yet we haven't changed the front four yet. Every time we sub someone on in the attack we suddenly look better. Starting Gordon on the left is such a simple solution to balance the attack by adding some pace and running to our stale attack.
Foden offers no outlet on the left, no matter who’s LB there’s no one to pass to in front so you have to cutback inside and passing inside which is usually to a CB cause they crowd the middle. Playing teams with a 5 at the back you need to stretch them, with Foden you can’t.
Still persisting with Foden and Trippier on that left side is criminal. Fair enough for the first couple of games, because you want to try and get the best players on the pitch. But the balance was clearly off and negatively impacting the team, as there was 0 width or runners in behind. We are here in the quarters now and he’s still persisting. Southgate has not only showed he’s a poor coach, he genuinely comes across as someone who lacks any basic understanding of a balanced side. It’s incredibly worrying, and we are only here because of the phenom Jude. Gordon, Saka, Kane, Jude has to be the front 4 now. Gives you the option to play Trent with actual runners as well. We shouldn’t need to make such changes with the sheer talent in the current front 6, but Southgate is that inept we simply have to find another way of playing. Southgate will be gone for the next tourney, but let’s bring it home lads. Jude carrying us all the way
With regards to the LB problem, why did we not take Chillwell? Was he unfit? We had this problem in 2018 when we were using Young as LB when we had Rose in the team. The downsides of that right footer at LB is greatly understated IMHO.
@@Michael-me6qu true. But still, we've taken Shaw who is unfit. We've seen from the four games the value of a left footer out there. If we knew we wanted to play Foden on the left and drift in, I think an out of form Chilwell (or any of the other left backs we tried - none) would be a better option than Trippier.
I think if you have a player like Gordon who's going to hug that touchline and not go inside, then you're going to create more of a balance even if Trippier is at left back. It feels like a big issue is that everyone is coming inside. Even on the right hand side, Saka is coming inside. Then you've got Kane and Bellingham also taking up a lot of the same space. So it's easy for the middle of the pitch to get congested. If you have players like Gordon and Palmer on, then defenders don't know if they are going to come inside or go outside and try and hit the byline to get a cross in. That uncertainty alone will create space. I do think Bellingham needs to not be played so high up as well. Get him next to Rice and he'll be able to have more of an effect on the game. I think we'd see not only a more fluent England, but also a less frustrated Bellingham. I do worry about Kane though. He's been awful. I appreciate he's the captain and one of the best strikers in the world but he's frequently too deep. And that's before we even get into his quality on the ball when he does get it (which has been subpar at best). If you have Toney you have more of a focal point, and if you have Watkins you're having someone who's running beyond. It's different questions for the defenders to answer. Southgate's game management is worrying at best. No subs at half time is bizarre and then not changing enough until the last couple of minutes. He needs to help the players more. Even us scoring a second and then sitting back, is terrible game management, the subs he brought on after the second goal were horrific.
That VAR point is such a good one, as a QPR fan I haven't experienced it live either, and it's a shame that PL fans are already desensitised to those moments
Before the Euros, TAA should've been tried at LB. He's been practicing with his left, making crosses and long balls with his left all season, and he's definitely got a better left foot than Trippier. I'm not confident on TAA's defending but i think he's over criticized for it.
Runners in behind are useless if you don't have anyone in midfield who can find them. We need a Rodri, a Kroos. Trippier has been a problem but we have not once exhibited the main, undeniable quality of any top side and that is quality and control in midfield.
Can you now do a video on Slowakia? I think they played very interesting, confident football playing out of the back with no name players. Lobotka was organizing it
how tripya is starting is insane. hes been shit for newcastle for 6 months, doesnt have a left foot, doesnt go forward or even try to open his body and go forward
trippier not going forward is obviously a Southgate plan. He is very good going forward and servicing forwards in the box, but not able to do so when he is played on the wrong side of the pitch. He is played out of position because no one else can play LB, hardly his fault that hes having to plug the gaps of Southgates stupid setup
@@Roosterz443 I find it mind boggling that Trippier, a pro footballer of (supposed) international quality, cannot receive the ball on his left foot so that he's facing forwards and able to progress the attack.
Feel like we need to go back 5 with the team. Have TAA on Rwb, give RCB to Walker, Stones in the middle, Guehi LCB (if we beat SWI) Konsa/Gomez otherwise and Saka LWB (we could rely on Gomez here and save saka in the RW). We can then change formation to a more typical 433 at half time to shake things up with fresh legs. In attack he can have an aggresive mid pivot with one of the wing backs and have a 3 at the back and then reform our shape out of possession. This should give us more width which patches up our lukewarm midfield (giving us more options.) And i think Foden/Bellingham should be our out and out CAM. We should only have one on the Pitch at the same time. RW id have Palmer start and Gordon on the Left. Come second half we can swap palmer for saka (they play diffrently. Palmer likes to cut in and run at defenders, Saka sticks further to the line and crosses/runs from the corner line. ST we should start Watkins he will run at the defenders. I still think we need Kane on at some point so tire the defenders out with Watkins and then get Kane on at half time and see how that changes the game. Obviously southgate is gonna go bread and butter as oer usual. Trying to play 3 players who like to be in the CAM/CF areas.
GK - Pickford LWB - Saka LCB - Gomez CB - Stones RCB - Walker RWB - Trent RCM - Bellingham LCM - Rice LW - Gordon ST - Kane RW - Palmer Gives Kane the space to drop into the 10 and allow Palmer and Gordon to run behind either out wide or cut inside and play more as a front 2 to give space to Saka and Trent Park Rice on Xhaka for the whole game to keep him quiet and we beat the Swiss In fact I’m convinced that team wins the whole thing.
Brave call to go with an untested formation in such an important game. Can't see Southgate doing anything quite so radical. Southgate has used 343 before but that was when he had proper left-footed full backs to call on.
@@ukdavo I completely agree, but this is what I think the best move is in our current situation which is a result of Southgate’s poor management. If we start Saturday with Foden and Trippier on the left I’ll refuse to watch
I’d like us to try a 3-4-3 to get some balance and defensive stability : Walker - Stones - Gomes Trippier - Bellingham - Rice - Saka Palmer - Kane - Gordon/Foden
Everyone has this idea that Trent cant defend. Im sorry but you cannot win everything in football , get 99 points in a season and also be a bad defender. Its the whole team that defends together. He is too goo of a player to leave out
It's a really persistent belief that just won't go away. Klopp trusted him to play there even against Man City. I don't see why he can't play right back against Serbia, Slovenia, Denmark, and Slovakia. And Switzerland. I can understand needing Walker's pace if you encounter Mbappe. But otherwise Trent is just being wasted. The best crosser of the ball.
What I love is the back 4 with 2 defensive midfielders making a back 6, and when all they do is pass the ball to each other Bellingham drops deeps to form a back 7. As a West Ham fan I've had to put up with 2 seasons of mindless Fisher Price tactics (plus similar gaslighting telling me it's not that bad) and I have to say, Southgate is worse. Reverse alchemist. The whole England set up is weak, delusional and arrogant. This is a cultural issue though, how many English managers have won top flight trophies in the Premier League era? For some reason either by intent or neglect, The F.A seem content with fostering a climate of mediocracy.
Think we need to go 3 at the back, play Walker as the right sided CB as we have seen before. Play Trent RWB and Saka LWB. Gives us balance, width and allows the central players space plus maximises Trents ability
Decades ago Italy in the 1970s /1980s / 1990s were a very successful defensive team. As southgate was a defender it figures he'd be a defensive minded coach. He has been reasonably successfull without winning a trophey but remember only sir alf ramsey has won a trophey for England. However everyone can improve . If he can bring on his subs earlier eg 65 /70 mins then England could nail it.
the main issue IMO is only takin 1 LB to the tournament. Foden cutting inside is leaving tons of space outwide, but Trippier with just not go to attack that, and thats not his fault, he's just not left footed and his more of a inverted fullback in nature, so he wont attack that space left behind by fodden. The only fix to that rn is STOP PLAYING FODEN OUTWIDE! Ps:. I would like to see Walker as a Right Center back with trent as a wingback.
I don't think Southgate is capable of not starting both Bellingham and Foden. It's like he can't see the opportunity to have one play an hour and the other to finish the game, which means having a world-class 10 on the pitch at all times.
Gomez is right footed BUT he is much more adept on his left foot than trippier. He won’t need to cut back to his right and pass backwards. He always plays forward.
Calling whatever Southgate was doing "tactics" is wild lmao
Pure vibes no tactics
I wonder if his tactics is keep the ball as much as you can (they basically have ALL the ball) and wear down the opponent. Keep them running. That's what they did and it worked...just 😅
They may be wild but they’ve worked!
@@777RYwhat vibe is that? 😂
@@BaggyCreature49 Bad ones
Start Gordon on the left. How he didn’t even get on the pitch is beyond me, let alone not start!
this has been true since he was the best player on the picth against bosnia - its beyond me that Gareth is so pig headed in his starting 11
It's unbelievable. He should've come on at half time yet didnt even touch the pitch in 120 minutes! He fixes so much for us being a natural winger and having pace.
@@l...m9415who you putting where to facilitate? You’re dropping Foden or Mainoo
@@SweptDust5340Drop Foden. He’s given nothing
@@SweptDust5340 Foden was rubbish.
The LB thing is mental to me. You’ve got Joe Gomez, a guy who has started LB for Liverpool for the bulk on the season and played REALLY well, sitting on the bench and we’re talking about Saka as LB? 🤯 MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
_Facts_
I’ve really liked Gomez at LB this season, but it would be the same problem because a Gomez still drifts inside into midfield. We need width on the left, which was a big reason TAA didn’t work. There a quite a few moving parts as to why this team isn’t working at the moment.
Whenever a player has the ball, he has 6 players standing still looking at them
You still need to play Gordon if you start Gomez because he also wants to cut in on the left, whenever he played there for Liverpool you had Diaz hugging the sidelines
@@matthewbrears2129I understand what you’re saying, but Gomez was instructed to do that this season in the absence of Trent. You have to remember he is naturally a CB, so in this case Trent could play RB and drop into midfield and we’d go to a back three with a natural CB on the left? I think it would work better that what we are currently doing
@@OllieSach sounds like a great plan. Just annoying that we still don’t have a starting 11. Closest I felt we had to a starting 11 was in the France game at the last World Cup
Having Foden and Trippier on the same flank means you have an entire side of the team that want to play inside. Nobody will go on the outside. Similar issue on the right except Walker isn't actually overlapping/underlapping when he feasibly could. As ineffective as Kane has been, I wouldn't be against playing to 10's in Foden and Bellingham with Gordon on the left. The frustration is that there are better solutions to a lot of the problems England has but Southgate is incredibly loyal and risk averse hence any changes will be minimal. Even the changes he made yesterday felt forced.
worth mentioning we didnt score till foden went off and finally left some space for bellingham
That isn't really a fair assessment since bellinghams goal came from a throw-in, and kanes' goal didn't even involves jude @Michael-me6qu
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes.
Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
@@wrfootball3847 we were 2 minutes away from going out and saved by an incredibly lucky goal and you're trying to tell us it was all going to plan?
and when was the right back going to get worn down? he hardly had a thing to do all game
@Michael-me6qu yes I'm not sure, but it's the only explanation I have. When I watched the game it was clear to me and my friends England were the stronger team...they had ALL the ball. Southgate trusted his players and it worked.
Maybe as he said in his interview, he didn't want to disrupt the shape. I'm just trying to work out how he thinks. He has got us far in knockout football whichever way you look at it.
It's ugly yes, but it kinda has worked.
Also if you look back at past tournaments this isn't unique to England, there have been many ugly tournament wins.
Love how Flav turned into someone from Boston when saying crosses @15:54
Gordon in for Foden, Walker to the left (and stay as back 3), Trent RB driving forward. Saka's not the problem, it's that left hand side
In attack…
------- Kane ---- Saka
Gordon - Foden - Bellingham-
---- Rice -- Trent -----
--Guehi - Stones - Walker ---
------ Pickford ------
In defense..
----- Kane -- Saka ----
---- Foden - Bellingham---
Gordon --- Rice ---- Trent-
-- guehi - Stones - Walker---
------ Pickford ------
This. The Left hand side is basically obsolete with those two on so why continue with that experiment?
@@xmari3goldxsaka has to play left back its the only solution for balance Gordon on the LW
Gomez is literally there why is everyone forgetting him
I've been calling for this since before the tournament started, but I do worry it might be a bit late to make such a big change to the team structure this late into the tournament
Southgate is playing a version of Emery's formation. LB goes high left, RW high right. RB tucks in. Then LW comes inside to form left 10 alongside the other 10 to form a box midfield wit the 2 6's. Issue is it does not suit England's players. Kane refuses to stretch the field to clear space for the 10's, Bellingham keeps going into Fodens spot so you lose the box midfield and Trippier has no left foot so no width on the left.
I would just invert it, LB tucks in (play Gomez/Walker), play TAA RB who goes high and right. Play Gordan left wing to provide width on the left. Play Foden/Palmer on the right to drift inside to form the right 10, Bellingham plays the left 10. I would also play Watkins for first 60 then play Kane when everyone gets tired.
Walker has been less than anonymous, Trippier slows the game down and doesnt progress play, Foden on the left was a failed experiment 3 games ago.
Walker is fluffed between his WaG Legs
@@joso7228💀💀💀
Agreed. Walker has been awful. His positioning is no better than TAA and offers little going fwd
@@Edge-of-Reasonlmao fuck off Trent actually defends better than both Walker and Trips
Foden on the left was a failed experiment 3 years ago
Palmer didn’t do anything when he came so it’s quite infuriating that people are so blind to what actually happened. It’s so clear what’s needed and that’s Bellingham goes next to Rice,Gordon on the left,Foden to cam and then walker can go left back with Trent at right back. Such a simple fix that would make the team more balanced.
Its criminal that Gordon didn't get on the pitch. If we dont have a left footed full back, we need a left footed wide player
he isnt left footed but he is a specialist left winger and is decent on his left
@@Michael-me6qu but he stays wide
@@NeilBlaiberg true - he is exactly what we need
You can get away with Trippier at LB if there is a wide player (Gordon) ahead of him who'll use the space but if we have nobody to attack that space it just a huge area of the pitch the opposition doesn't need to defend which means that all the other areas are that much more congested.
Trippier had one moment where he actually stayed wide and went with his left foot and it almost came to something. He needs to be given the instruction to do that more or he should be hooked.
For me you have to start Gordon on the left. If you think you still need pace in defence then play Walker at LB and TAA at RB. Kane Saka and Gordon on the pitch. Pop Foden in at 10, Rice and Bellingham chilling in the centre. Konsa on at CB... it really is that simple and yet apparently it is very very complicated
The thing about Toney winning headers is so underrated. Every attack or set play we had was spraying in crosses and I didn't notice us win a single one. We were massively outclassed in terms of height and strength and so no clue why we were still attacking through crosses
Why does Cole Palmer have to start (on the wing)? Serious question. I just saw someone who did not beat his man and who was just as wasteful in possession
What I learnt was that Gordon and Bowen must start to provide some natural width, pace and directness.
Kane would benefit as he would have people running behind him and two players capable of cutting the ball back into the box. Something we have done very very rarely.
Exactly, then Kane can drop in and ping balls to the pace on the outside.
GK: Pickford
CB: Guehi
CB: Stones
LB: Saka
RB: Trippier
CM: Rice
CM: Mainoo
CAM: Bellingham
LW: Gordon
RW: Palmer
ST: Kane
I’m sorry but aimless crosses are not effective. Palmer’s decision making was bad and we witnessed it in the last counter attack as well when it was 3 v 2 and he passed it to the Slovakian defender.
Agreed, people talking about Palmer in for Saka like it's a given - Saka was the only player getting in behind their defence despite receiving no help from Walker. Not his best game but he was better than Palmer
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought his decision making was bad
@@guyfishyeah, I said on my Twitter that Saka is a victim of being hindered by Walker. Everyone is saying Saka isn’t performing but if he didn’t have Walker behind him and had someone decent going forward, his game would be completely different. He would be much more effective.
Also doesn’t help that when he gets a chance to do anything, Kane was plodding along like he had no urgency to get into the box at all. Palmer had more chances to “do” something cause of the rest of the personnel on the pitch/change of shape. Not cause he’s better than Saka.
Not sure why there is so much noise for Palmer starting, especially at RM, he won't run in behind, and Kane will take pens
@@kd5973yeah we are missing Ben White so much
When England briefly played a 5-3-2 they looked really good, Saka, Eze, Gordon or Trent as wing backs solves the width problem & 2 up top gets Kane help with his movement.
Exactly, 3-5-2 allows you the width on the sides. Saka and Eze would be my wingbacks for their pace and dribbling. Then playing 2 up front helps Kane. He can drop off and then a striker like Watkins can occupy the penalty area.
When England make more of the changes that people keep calling for, it weakens them defensively.
Yes, the play appears livelier - even if not being that much more effective - but spaces open up all over the place between the players after they lose the ball and when pressing. A lot of the chat seems to be ignoring this and only focusing on the attack. It was evident against Iceland but people put it down to only being a friendly.
It is probably a big influence on Southgate's selection decisions that people aren't taking into enough consideration.
Flav looks like
He’s been enjoying himself 😅
Im not having the idea we looked better with Saka left back. We looked worse! The spell from half time until thst substitution was our best in the game, we looked disjointed from the sub.
9:47 Jim's face after Flav says Walker's been the best RB in the world killed me
Flav having a mare. Straight after thinking Konsa was left-footed and saying he'd start him over Trippier... 🤔
@@danj805 I know he was only on for a few minutes But Konsa looks like he can defend so why play him in a three and play Gorden wide
What we learn about England's tactics:
Everyone: "There's none. Zilch. Zero."
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes.
Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
The Palmer gaslighting is beyond a joke now, he was no better than Saka on the right.
‘Cole Palmer affected the game massively’?????? What on earth where you watching, he gave the ball away constantly and gets credited for doing things saka does but he’s apparently he’s performing like 2010 Messi
Yeah I was thinking the same, thought he was terrible when he came on, we missed Saka out there immediately
I hope palmer starts so we can see the press blame another random player. Reckon if palmer starts they blame walker next 😂 it’s not the fuckin players idk why we are even discussing the squad
@@crispouk3070 remember the loss to Iceland with the front three of Foden Kane and Palmer? Remember who was on the cover of all major English newspapers
Throwback to the Ball Street days, this! 👊
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The way Southgate has treated and played TAA (and a couple others tbh) is criminal. The only reason why Walker plays ahead of Trent is due to his pace and defending. Walker was (and has been) SHOCKING both on and off the ball, and Trent didn't even get on the pitch in AET? Crazy.
I was at the game too, I've not felt something like that since forest won at Wembley, absolutely unbelievable.
We've got so many problems but after seeing that I've just got a feeling that this tournament is gonna go in off our arse and we'll win it.
I'm not even saying i don't rate Palmer but i am begging someone to tell me one thing he did. Didnt beat a man, he doesn't run in behind, doesn't stretch play or offer real width. Every time he got the ball, he moved inside and tried the million dollar pass, which came off 0 times.
I think he's a great player but he is not the solution. There was a counter situation where Kane gets the ball, looks for a pass, nobody is running, gives it to Palmer, who also looks for a pass. Just another ball to feet 10 on the wing.
Meanwhile Saka has been the best (only) winger for England, most consistently threatening player who can actually take on a man and is willing to play simple link passes because he doesn't have the main character syndrome that every other player in this team has, and he gets moved to LB lmao.
The thing thats most maddening is people saying "the game changed" - no it didn't. England were as shit before Palmer as they were after. The goal was a bit of scrap, and brilliance from Bellingham. It had nothing to do with any tactical changes, except Toney being an influential physical presence.
Saying Palmer changed the game is the same as saying England scored because Foden went off. It isn't actually true lol
Thank you. I’m a Chelsea fan I feel the same. Despite others trying to drag him into the mess of the ineffective attack, Saka has been the best of the starting line so far and I don’t understand why others insist that he shouldn’t start. For some reason, most people can’t fathom not having City players on the team but replace Walker with TAA, and Foden with a proper winger, and Tripper with Gomez or Konza and you’ll see balance. Bring in Toney and Palmer as impact subs.
@@xmari3goldx yeah and to reiterate, in a different team with a different system, Palmer could make sense. As a 10 behind Watkins he would be the right choice
Palmer starting doesn't change the shape of the team or approach to the game. You'd still be praying for that moment of magic. It doesn't fix the underlying problem that England currently don't appear to have a game model (apologies for the cringey jargon). e.g. does the team coordinate to open/close spaces?
Saka has been terrible.
@@xmari3goldxNo, Saka has been useless.
3-4-3 Pickford | Walker, Stones, Gomez | Alexander-Arnold, Wharton, Rice, Saka | Palmer, Toney, Foden. 5 going forward, 5 strong defenders. Left/right balance.
I feel like Southgate has just become more stubborn, and starting Gordon or Trent at rb would be admitting he was wrong.
Looked like yet another game missing Maddison and Grealish
Left field but Shaw surprised everyone when he filled in at LCB at United. Could be that he's not fit enough to bomb up and down the wing but could do a job there
Our biggest single problem has been getting out when we get pegged back. Ivan and Harry together physically are much more competitive. That change worked so well (Ivan was involved in both goals as well)
The ironic thing - after all the “Trent is a failed experiment’ talk - is that England have played at their best in this tournament when Trent has played.
Foden, Walker, Trippier shouldn't start the next game. They can come on if needs must (I doubt Southgate makes the right substitutions anyway). Let Gordon, Trent, and preferably a left footed defender but Southgate didn't think to bring a fit one because why would he? And let them have 90 minutes. Can't be worse than any of what those three showed up this tournament so far.
Palmer was not good off the bench yesterday btw. Not sure what people were watching..
He didn't do anything spectacular but you felt like something could happen when he had the ball. I would much prefer to have him on from the start
he didnt set the place laight but he was decent. Saka had become v predictableso it was an upgrade at least. i swear someon in the camp is drugging their coffee cos they are all looking watsted
Everyone saying Gareth can't organise an attack because he's a defender by nature, but he's not even good at that. Slovakia were far better without the ball and limited England all over the pitch, forcing errors and restricing England to zero shots on target for 93 minutes. In truth, Gareth is bad at every kind of tactic.
Nobody talking about the best player, first half especially at 19 years old.
I think the 4-4-2 out of possession into the 3-4-2-1 in possession is the best we’ve seen from Southgate tactically.
And prior to the Slovakia game the only goal we’d conceded was a Hojberg long shot.
The most worrying thing for me was how easy Slovakia scored
Ignoring the first 30minutes vs Serbia every game we have gotten better
"tactics"
With walker having a shocker of a tournament on his preferred side , why is no one thinking about trippier in his correct position. 11 assists last season shouldn’t be overlooked
Trippier is the reason Guehi Misses the next game
There is also a cohesion problem between Kane and Phoden. Kane does not go in behind and comes deep instead. This is the exact opposite of how Haaland plays in City, where he stands really high and never come deep forcing the opposittion centre backs to stay back, creating half spaces between attack and midfield lines.... Exactly where Phoden thrives playing. Southgate need to take an attacking decision, either take of Phoden or Kane, if you want to play to any of the players strenghts. To fix that you could either play Watkins Phoden (creating space in the half spaces) or Kane Gordon (activating the space in behind on the left).
The thing is that no one is talking about is Foden. Every game he’s started out wide, then drifted inside to the point where he’s essentially playing attacking mid, and we have ZERO width on the left side, we must start a winger who’ll keep the width and go in behind, OR a left footer at LB who’ll overlap to create that width
Kyle Walker has been absolutely rank. There’s a reek of complacency with “senior” players who feel like they’re undroppable.
Our players could do with learning something about our tactics. For the 2nd game in a row they're waving their hands at each other within 10 minutes as if no one has a clue what's going on.
Walker struggled outside the Man City dominance. Without it Walkers judgement is exposed and passing range too
Tactically we need to look at the last few games, not enough shots on target (1 shot on target and it came in the 95th minute). We've got some of the best chance creators at club level and arguably the best finisher in football yet we can't register a shot on target? Nobody seems to be talking about our lack of chances! We're prioritising possession over chances which means we move deeper and deeper to retain the ball. Kane has received criticism because there's nothing on for him, same for the likes of Foden, Saka, Bellingham.
If you look at Spain vs Georgia, Spain were 1 nil down and they managed to get 13 shots on target and win 4-1. The possession they had was right in the Georgia box not their own. If it were England we would be waiting for 1 shot in the 95th minute.
If I know Southgate, I'd expect a 5 at the back vs Switzerland with Guehi out.
I think the "experts" are overthinking this. Its clear to me from a simple view what England did. They passed and passed the ball around and wore Slovakia down to the point where they scored 2 goals in 2 minutes.
Yes they left it late. Yes they can be much better. But to any neutral England were far stronger than Slovakia, they had ALL the ball!
@@wrfootball3847 Yes and that's been England's 'plan' throughout, it won't work against stronger opposition. If we hadn't scored in the 95th minute we wouldn't be saying 'but we had 70% possession'. Goals win games.
@Lylepr well I agree yes. But if you look back at tournament history there have been teams that won the tournament in ugly fashion.
I'm just trying to work out his thinking. He must have some method, he jas done pretty well in all his tournaments. Something is working.
People say lucky draws. Well you make your own luck. England have topped their groups in most/all Southgates tournaments and the reward is you play the second place team of another group! You make your own luck!
Southgate isn't responsible for the draw, but it helps to win opening games and top the group. That rarely happened before
Why does Cole Palmer have to start? What did he do?
agreed but at least he is getting some minutes. Gordon just sitting there fuming every game
It looked like Tony contributed more in 5 minutes than Kane did in the rest of normal time
I think southgate uses some kind of random substitution generator
I thought that when he brought eze on. you have brought three wingers for the left - two (foden and eze) have been ineffective, one, in the brief moment he played was great and was the best player on the pitvch agains bosnia for whatever that is worth. Must hate Gordon for some reason
@@Michael-me6quI think Gordon is too attacking for him.
Why the calls for Palmer? He had zero impact because similarly to Saka nobody wants to play a ball in behind. The number of times you see them both making runs and they get ignored until they come short to get the ball to feet.
Need Gordon on.
That watch diabolical 😂
Why can't Foden be dropped? He has not done anything significant for 4 games. Drop Foden and start Gordon. Simple as.
If you cant play trent and saka as full backs, play a 343 formation with saka and trent as wide midfielders. Back 3 of gomez stones and walker/konsa. And a front 3 of gordon kane/toney and palmer
And possibly rice and bellingham as the 2 CM. Possibly mainoo or Wharton if players are jaded
@@antonyallen8025 Couldn’t agree more, everyone saying you can’t play Trent and Saka is ridiculous, we just need to revert to a 3 atb.
And that would give Kane space to drop into the 10 and Gordon/Palmer to overlap
I didn’t see tactics. Everyone in the pub was joking saying go on then pass it to the cb, pass it to the lb, pass it to the cb, pass to the cb, pass it the to the rb, then back to the cb. Shocking. We won that not because of Southgate but in spite of him.
Have to move to a 3-4-2-1 for me. Back 3 of Guehi (Konsa for next game), Stones and Kyle Walker. Pivot of Rice and Mainoo. Saka RWB and Gordon LWB. Bellingham and Palmer (or Foden) in the 10s and Kane up top. Makes so much sense to me, Gordon and Saka have the industry to get back and defend while providing width in attack. Stones can step into midfield with the protection of two centre backs next to him. Keeps both Bellingham and Foden in central positions.
Talk to me James...
Glad you've seen the issue with the LB. The balance of the team has been wrong since the Iceland friendly. We have no entire flank.
I'm sorry but you're giving Southgate too much credit. Over four games he's changed players in two positions, despite our attack looking awful in every game bar the first 30 minutes of the first game. We took 90 minutes to get a shot on target against Slovakia. The attacking lineup is non-functional and yet we haven't changed the front four yet. Every time we sub someone on in the attack we suddenly look better. Starting Gordon on the left is such a simple solution to balance the attack by adding some pace and running to our stale attack.
he must have falled onut with Gordon - makes no sense at all
Foden offers no outlet on the left, no matter who’s LB there’s no one to pass to in front so you have to cutback inside and passing inside which is usually to a CB cause they crowd the middle. Playing teams with a 5 at the back you need to stretch them, with Foden you can’t.
Still persisting with Foden and Trippier on that left side is criminal. Fair enough for the first couple of games, because you want to try and get the best players on the pitch. But the balance was clearly off and negatively impacting the team, as there was 0 width or runners in behind. We are here in the quarters now and he’s still persisting.
Southgate has not only showed he’s a poor coach, he genuinely comes across as someone who lacks any basic understanding of a balanced side. It’s incredibly worrying, and we are only here because of the phenom Jude.
Gordon, Saka, Kane, Jude has to be the front 4 now. Gives you the option to play Trent with actual runners as well. We shouldn’t need to make such changes with the sheer talent in the current front 6, but Southgate is that inept we simply have to find another way of playing.
Southgate will be gone for the next tourney, but let’s bring it home lads. Jude carrying us all the way
With regards to the LB problem, why did we not take Chillwell? Was he unfit?
We had this problem in 2018 when we were using Young as LB when we had Rose in the team. The downsides of that right footer at LB is greatly understated IMHO.
chillwell was poor in the friendlies but not half as poor as Trippier bless im
@@Michael-me6qu true. But still, we've taken Shaw who is unfit. We've seen from the four games the value of a left footer out there. If we knew we wanted to play Foden on the left and drift in, I think an out of form Chilwell (or any of the other left backs we tried - none) would be a better option than Trippier.
What we learned about England tactics:
We don't have any.
Good job keeping us in suspense on that last card James, not like it's got his name and picture on the back of the card as well lol
I think if you have a player like Gordon who's going to hug that touchline and not go inside, then you're going to create more of a balance even if Trippier is at left back. It feels like a big issue is that everyone is coming inside. Even on the right hand side, Saka is coming inside. Then you've got Kane and Bellingham also taking up a lot of the same space. So it's easy for the middle of the pitch to get congested.
If you have players like Gordon and Palmer on, then defenders don't know if they are going to come inside or go outside and try and hit the byline to get a cross in. That uncertainty alone will create space.
I do think Bellingham needs to not be played so high up as well. Get him next to Rice and he'll be able to have more of an effect on the game. I think we'd see not only a more fluent England, but also a less frustrated Bellingham.
I do worry about Kane though. He's been awful. I appreciate he's the captain and one of the best strikers in the world but he's frequently too deep. And that's before we even get into his quality on the ball when he does get it (which has been subpar at best). If you have Toney you have more of a focal point, and if you have Watkins you're having someone who's running beyond. It's different questions for the defenders to answer.
Southgate's game management is worrying at best. No subs at half time is bizarre and then not changing enough until the last couple of minutes. He needs to help the players more. Even us scoring a second and then sitting back, is terrible game management, the subs he brought on after the second goal were horrific.
It did look like he was saying two banks of five in the huddle
That VAR point is such a good one, as a QPR fan I haven't experienced it live either, and it's a shame that PL fans are already desensitised to those moments
It was obvious to me he was offside when I first saw it.
As a villa van, Konsa is a rolls royce of a player, deffo no need to worry about him, imo he should be starting as it is.
Pre tournament Southgate kept referring to bringing Shaw as taking a risk....I think he will be starting on Saturday.
JAFFN!!!
I would play gomez an lb, he did really good at liverpool and that allows trent at rb + gordon at lw and palmer rw
"Insipid" - that sums up watching England thus far in this tournament. If this doesnt give them a jump, nothing will.
What an experience lads! Live it up!
Before the Euros, TAA should've been tried at LB. He's been practicing with his left, making crosses and long balls with his left all season, and he's definitely got a better left foot than Trippier. I'm not confident on TAA's defending but i think he's over criticized for it.
Gomez while right footed has made runs to the byline at left back and crossed or cut back. This will at least open the centre up a bit.
Runners in behind are useless if you don't have anyone in midfield who can find them. We need a Rodri, a Kroos. Trippier has been a problem but we have not once exhibited the main, undeniable quality of any top side and that is quality and control in midfield.
Saka says he's not left back. Well, neither is Trippier.
Bench him then - he's been shite all tourny besides 30 mins
Totally agree. Sadly, he's one of Southgate's faves. He'll always play. Like Kane, he's been shite, as well.
@@jonathanfox5773 Agreed! I guess atleast with Kane he's still contributed 2 important goals - Saka hasnt even got a goal or an assist
Can you now do a video on Slowakia? I think they played very interesting, confident football playing out of the back with no name players.
Lobotka was organizing it
how tripya is starting is insane. hes been shit for newcastle for 6 months, doesnt have a left foot, doesnt go forward or even try to open his body and go forward
trippier not going forward is obviously a Southgate plan. He is very good going forward and servicing forwards in the box, but not able to do so when he is played on the wrong side of the pitch. He is played out of position because no one else can play LB, hardly his fault that hes having to plug the gaps of Southgates stupid setup
@@Roosterz443 I find it mind boggling that Trippier, a pro footballer of (supposed) international quality, cannot receive the ball on his left foot so that he's facing forwards and able to progress the attack.
3-2-4-1 seems like a sensible compromise to all of this. You can have both Jude & Foden in 10 roles, 2 wingers, 2 pivots in Rice and Mainoo.
A special JAFFN!
Feel like we need to go back 5 with the team. Have TAA on Rwb, give RCB to Walker, Stones in the middle, Guehi LCB (if we beat SWI) Konsa/Gomez otherwise and Saka LWB (we could rely on Gomez here and save saka in the RW). We can then change formation to a more typical 433 at half time to shake things up with fresh legs.
In attack he can have an aggresive mid pivot with one of the wing backs and have a 3 at the back and then reform our shape out of possession.
This should give us more width which patches up our lukewarm midfield (giving us more options.) And i think Foden/Bellingham should be our out and out CAM. We should only have one on the Pitch at the same time.
RW id have Palmer start and Gordon on the Left. Come second half we can swap palmer for saka (they play diffrently. Palmer likes to cut in and run at defenders, Saka sticks further to the line and crosses/runs from the corner line.
ST we should start Watkins he will run at the defenders. I still think we need Kane on at some point so tire the defenders out with Watkins and then get Kane on at half time and see how that changes the game.
Obviously southgate is gonna go bread and butter as oer usual. Trying to play 3 players who like to be in the CAM/CF areas.
We learned that Southgate needs to go to Vegas because he's a lucky lucky boy
GK - Pickford
LWB - Saka
LCB - Gomez
CB - Stones
RCB - Walker
RWB - Trent
RCM - Bellingham
LCM - Rice
LW - Gordon
ST - Kane
RW - Palmer
Gives Kane the space to drop into the 10 and allow Palmer and Gordon to run behind either out wide or cut inside and play more as a front 2 to give space to Saka and Trent
Park Rice on Xhaka for the whole game to keep him quiet and we beat the Swiss
In fact I’m convinced that team wins the whole thing.
Brave call to go with an untested formation in such an important game. Can't see Southgate doing anything quite so radical. Southgate has used 343 before but that was when he had proper left-footed full backs to call on.
That sounds like a plan,you have the job
Taking out englands best player from this tournament is probs not the best idea
@@ukdavo I completely agree, but this is what I think the best move is in our current situation which is a result of Southgate’s poor management.
If we start Saturday with Foden and Trippier on the left I’ll refuse to watch
@@ajprop99 Who has been our best player in your opinion? Foden?
I’d like us to try a 3-4-3 to get some balance and defensive stability :
Walker - Stones - Gomes
Trippier - Bellingham - Rice - Saka
Palmer - Kane - Gordon/Foden
Mainoo yet again England's best player by a long shot. He has to start every single game going forward
Everyone has this idea that Trent cant defend. Im sorry but you cannot win everything in football , get 99 points in a season and also be a bad defender. Its the whole team that defends together. He is too goo of a player to leave out
It's a really persistent belief that just won't go away.
Klopp trusted him to play there even against Man City. I don't see why he can't play right back against Serbia, Slovenia, Denmark, and Slovakia. And Switzerland.
I can understand needing Walker's pace if you encounter Mbappe. But otherwise Trent is just being wasted. The best crosser of the ball.
Trent also has a decent left foot! Trent on for Trippier
A 3 back is screeching. Saka and Trent as Wing backs, Cole or Phil on the right and put Ollie or Gordon on the left
What I love is the back 4 with 2 defensive midfielders making a back 6, and when all they do is pass the ball to each other Bellingham drops deeps to form a back 7. As a West Ham fan I've had to put up with 2 seasons of mindless Fisher Price tactics (plus similar gaslighting telling me it's not that bad) and I have to say, Southgate is worse. Reverse alchemist. The whole England set up is weak, delusional and arrogant. This is a cultural issue though, how many English managers have won top flight trophies in the Premier League era? For some reason either by intent or neglect, The F.A seem content with fostering a climate of mediocracy.
Southgate is type of guy to have his car breakdown and only chamges the same tyre three times and wonders why it still doesn't work.
Think we need to go 3 at the back, play Walker as the right sided CB as we have seen before. Play Trent RWB and Saka LWB. Gives us balance, width and allows the central players space plus maximises Trents ability
Saka LB isn’t ideal but at least he’ll be a lefty and it allows palmer in and I’d play Gordon over foden for some width/ runs in behind.
Decades ago Italy in the 1970s /1980s / 1990s were a very successful defensive team. As southgate was a defender it figures he'd be a defensive minded coach. He has been reasonably successfull without winning a trophey but remember only sir alf ramsey has won a trophey for England. However everyone can improve . If he can bring on his subs earlier eg 65 /70 mins then England could nail it.
What tactics?
the main issue IMO is only takin 1 LB to the tournament. Foden cutting inside is leaving tons of space outwide, but Trippier with just not go to attack that, and thats not his fault, he's just not left footed and his more of a inverted fullback in nature, so he wont attack that space left behind by fodden. The only fix to that rn is STOP PLAYING FODEN OUTWIDE!
Ps:. I would like to see Walker as a Right Center back with trent as a wingback.
Spain put the Ball In the Georgia Box 10 TIMES in the 1st 10 Minutes.
I counted. That is tactics.
We don’t have any tactics. Southgate himself said he relied on chaos for us to score
I don't think Southgate is capable of not starting both Bellingham and Foden. It's like he can't see the opportunity to have one play an hour and the other to finish the game, which means having a world-class 10 on the pitch at all times.
Gomez is right footed BUT he is much more adept on his left foot than trippier. He won’t need to cut back to his right and pass backwards. He always plays forward.
What we learned about England’s tactics - there are none
I see Jim chose the slightly taller chair. Power move