The monk near K Murthi is a Tibetan’s most respected Rinpoche. His name is Professor Samdong Rinpoche who’s the founder of current Nalenda university in India. He’s extremely knowledgeable and learned in Buddhism, ancient Sanskrit, Upanishad etc.. He constantly gets death-threat from China and was attempted several times but he’s so down to earth and doesn’t take many bodyguards around him while traveling. You would see him sitting alone with simple monk robes sometimes around trains’ platforms. He’s known to be able to translate every ancient Indian texts. He’s also known to assist in making a lot of Buddha movies in India. Even his holiness respects him highly. But seeing Rinpoche sitting silently and closely with Krishnamurthi Ji with a smile speaks a volume of knowledge K is sharing and he’s absorbing.
Also, there’s no center, no observer when you observe yourself closely. When your center (self) disappears then everyone’s center (self) disappear. This appears to be a fact
@@lodussorus6151 But they did travel in different countries and in different contexts already, Krishnamurti and Tibetan monks, from Alaska to Australia, and they do have reputations, maybe it depends on the person, not general cultures and countries. So your statement is not valid, and a kind of malicious one, since looks like you wanted just to spread some mud on these men.
This video is really extraordinary. To see something like this on video is astonishing. One basically sees a Buddha teaching, invoking energetic and sharing vision on a trans-verbal level.
@1:22:04 - the problem is that they're saying things like "let go of conflict", etc. Whereas Krishnamurti is saying it's not about letting go, but acceptance, or perception without thought/analysis/etc. When he says if you can listen to the speaker without thought/reaction, then you have achieved what he is talking about.
Yes, people interpret what is spoken through their personal minds dictionary, to them a word may have a different meaning or memory associated with it, not what the person who spoke referred to.
This one discussion is enough to make you Enlightened. Keeping that level of patience when you come to ‘that’ hit against wall point is extremely difficult. That’s why only few enlightened people we had on this earth. K is one of those ❤
This is true meditation..really fortunate to see and get the perception of something which is of not known ,old ,knowedge etc but the true sense of learning where there is nothing to learn. Great awsome insight .
There are people who follow Dhamma People who really understand buddha and Dhamma they avoid identify them self as a Buddhist. But we live in a world where most of the people will not understand these people spiritual practices if they explain it so they use the word “Buddhist” to express their spiritual path.
@@akileshv7311A true Buddhist would not call themselves a Buddhist as wouldn't a true Christian. These geniuses were talking about the exact same things, and these things are universal and intimate to every human. True light has no color.
I got the real meaning(beyond words) of patience..Thank you Krishna ji. Once mind realizes it's incapacity,That is the truth. Have you come to that point??????????????
I am a therapist. The moment someone comes in and says they have “depression and anxiety” the game is on. They come to me for “help”. Freedom is at the beginning,so we start with the first step from AA “I am powerless”. Next we define the I as consciousness. Consciousness is its contents. The contents are all the past. The self is in the past. What is left? This is where my would be client moves on to a therapist who will give they a system for change, that takes time and generates income. This is the therapy game. There is a reason why k doesn’t have therapy franchises, it’s not a money maker. Sometimes I wonder if I am deluded my this whole k thing, as I have never had anyone in my world who knew k besides myself. It’s been 50 years now.
I applaud your style.. it is a welcome contradiction of my view, that all therapists are businessmen. While you can grasp JK, the common, suffering man does not have the bandwidth. There’s a reason other therapists are making bank, it’s precisely because they disguise themselves as saviours. Saviours give strategies and systems directed towards a mission, a path - while JK’s juice was in the pathless. You have to go where people are. Start from there.. you have to give them the medicine they need in a pill coated by what they want. If the troubled man pursued his association with a healer, purity is guaranteed. But the onus is on the teacher to attract, and keep them craving the good stuff, little by little, through their own preferred means, until they become a fiend, and reach a place where only the ultimate will do.
You are not alone. Not everyone has the mental capacity to grasp JK's ideas. To Understand these extremely subtle paradoxes and loops and seek a solution for these issues and feel a little bit more "free" is not simple. Maybe there are other paths to enlightenment, but JK 's path is more direct and subtle. It is highly intellect driven and it seems some of us have that evolutionary gift of curiosity which acts as a fuel for intellect. And we have no role or control over evolutionary traits. So I believe it's just pure luck that few people have that skill. You are not deluded, for sure. You have a gift of intellect to understand JK. It's rare!
The brain is an organ. Yes, it is likely where the mind resides, but perception is happening all around. There is ultimately no division between any given human and the rest of the universe.
"If Buddha came today Now and tells you to listen will you listen ? " - J. Krishnamurthi question displays man's inability to give away the past, the Known. He is Light Pure Wisdom. J.k is eternal teacher. And What does he teach ? NOTHING.
If words be put directly, Pupul jaykar wanted to ask “ why am I not getting enlightened, why am I not having a larger than life experience ? And that’s the trap of human beings. A Desire to become something. Waiting for a miracle to happen as if we are the most blessed of species or creatures among several millions and billions of life inhibiting this earth.
❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏👏Krishnamurti ji knows all this inquiries are based on thoughts for rest of other excluding him becoz thoughts can’t help us to inquire or to penetrate then also he is trying his best that is the compassion 🥹🙏
Estar rodeado implica ser consciente de la energía propia, podríamos sentirnos señalados y volcar energía para y desde el pensamiento (ego) estar rodeado (de gente, no importa cual) implica una seria atención. Krishamurti es una maravilla, aunque en ocasiones lo vi salir de un ambiente, pues a la terquedad de alguien no se le puede otorgar energía si no se involucra en descubrir qué podría comprender con ella.
it's soo painful to see how K feels at the end of this video , seeing our struggle , esp with the Indian man . He WANTS us to be free! This makes him a true Guru.
K is extremely patient with that woman that kept interrupting him. She's like the embodiment of thought.... always trying to get somewhere and do some thing. A busybody like the mind.
That is Pupul Jayakar, his biographer. I agree with your description. She may have been working material for her book. :) They apparently took care of him during his episodes.
I actually enjoyed her enquiry more than anyone else. She is asking the hard questions. The questions I would be struggling with listening to him. Krishnamurti doesn't need respect. Krishnamurti saw it his mission to help humanity be free of "the ego".
In the course of life from birth to death, harmony and conflict arise every moment. With samma-ditti (right understanding) of the nature of reality, one maintains samma-samadhi (right balancing) and get freed from defilements. Life is conflict. But, following the Noble Eightfold path, one can live meaningful life with dignity.
Very important discussion. Must watch from 1.45.00 .. til finish... learn about... brain realizes its incapacity...that is the truth.. nothing to learn.... .in that creation begins... its only action... not my action or others action...action with love, compassion, etc. I can say this is really extraordinary .... best Jewell of K, disussion
1h20min K says when we listen to a person, we perceive through our egoic minds old past images of the words spoken, not listening without attribution to the words spoken. We then react to old thoughts of ours, not act on new words.
1:27:03 buddha talk 1:35:02 a way of living without knowledge.. 1:39:27 Can you see a thing without naming it. Because naming is the movement of thought.. 1:58:56.. because the Self is Knowledge 2:03:52.. The World is Me..
Our failure to realise it, is that our brain is always in movement, in effort, in seeking, searching, finding, a solution, an answer, a way out. It's never been in the state of not knowing, but always in finding. Thanka to K here. And he repeatedly ask the question, what stopping it to happened, but sadly all the learned ppl missed the question again & again cause we have our questions need to be answered.
1:21:50 oh jesus :)))) very funny , struggling converting experience to words OR people struggle understanding (actually listening and experiencing) the words. Very extraordinary video. K was the Buddha walking on earth.
Still mind + stagnent brain + watch object without words + new world start to work + chain of past learnt knwoledge broken + listen to vishwa buddi + learnin starts new dimension + atma jnana + listen to atma jnana + become atma paramatma speaks + listen paramatma + become paramatma . do it with effort leads to effortless action leads to become action itself .
I don't know. It seems like they're confusing things a lot, though sometimes one or the other person tries to get it back on track. It does remind me of deep conversations I have that also go nowhere (there's one just like it in the Matrix, about synchronicity). I feel as though if I tried to explain many of things I've been through, it would be similar. I am not even able to talk about it in many cases. It seems some people can't resist intellectualising it.
You don't come to that point, the point comes about itself when the response of the knowledge, which is thought itself, ends. Could heat be separated from the fire?
I think it's good that she interrupts. I think it's good that all of them have the questions they have. Because those are our minds speaking. Thank god these thoughts were put forth. Because unless they come up, Krishnamurti wouldn't have had the opportunity to heal and clean them. Watching this, I realise how often my own mind falls into such trap. And I see K healing me so patiently and affectionately. He was doing the same for them. That's why he let it all come out while getting a little frustrated but also knowing how important it was for all this nonsense to be on record for the future generations. Because this is the nonsense that's to be healed in each of us. This is the nonsense that's to be observed in us even if we are seeing it in Pupul. This is the nonsense he had come to heal in all of us.
Pupul jayakar said , Rinpoche ask that question and that Rinpoche is none other then H.H The Dalai Lama best friend Prof.Samdhong Rinpoche and his question is very meaningful, because all those great philosophers been discussing about certain topic for three years and trying to open the door and yet, the door is not open.So, ……?
When one attempts to observe an object without putting a label on it and is present in that observation. One realises that the brain can not do that. THAT realisation happens in the now and is not born out of memory or previous knowledge. That is evidence that perception without thought is possible.
32:25 "you'll find if you read the book at all, there is nothing to read" a metaphorical but still tangible book of self better to live your book of self than to try and live and read/reflect/actively edit it all at once, perhaps
Diligence towards Order An inclusive, unique, all-encompassing, evolving Order Where the trivial but present conflicts reach their resolutions the resolutions that seem so simple and evident but nonetheless have conceded to said persisting conflicts like disorder or egregious inhumanity or conflict itself Untiring or Reasonably tiring Diligence concurrent to the willingness to live and continue living to see Unbias Order in one's life time
this is how I interpret the door not opening or intellectual efforts feeling inhibited and the diligence necessary to live and continue living because I imagine the quandary for the intellectual or less intellectual mind is living in this life of conflict or disorder worth living. Pointless or purposeful living
Karya and Karn means cause and effect in english. Cause is effect, and the effect of the cause is a copy of memory- in the mind. They actually seem like two but they are really not. The human mind is composed of effects. Pundit Jee is dividing them into two seperate things but the cause is the effect. Everyone thinks object and subject are two things within the mind. But in the outer world, they are logically right. Obviously, this logic doesn't work within. Krishnajee doesn't understand hindi so others are misinterpreting what pundit jee saying. .
Why is the brain incapable of perception of the whole, and acting from that wholeness? The often unavoidable thinking mind can be balanced through level training so it doesn't obscure the whole as it tips into fragmented ignorance as emotion aggregates. There are various meditative techniques that can be fused together with holistic attention. One can blow thoughts away with breath. One can use repeat word double thinking keeping the thought feel equal. One can use visualisation such as the subtle thinking mind energy floating as a lotus , or see the energy as writing on levelling water/space(feeling back to the space between the nerves or pulses that are with it). Doing these exercises cocktailed with attention and also balancing exercises(ie standing on one leg) can bring a great joy of composure.
@ 37:50....As long as one wants "the flower to blossom", it NEVER shall blossom. That's the problem. As long as the mind WANTS, all it will continue to do is want, hi-jacked by thinking and thought as it is. So, can a person "simply be?" For example; Can I sit still w my loneliness rather than grabbing the phone to chatter away w somebody else to assuage that loneliness w the courage to face the fact, "I am lonely?" Then through deeply experiencing that loneliness, the fear of that, the discomfort of that, finally understand that we can be ALONE and NOT LONELY? See the difference between lonely and alone. But as long as that person continues to cater to his own loneliness, that one shall forever remain LONELY. Every so-called negative state of mind, that state we do it to ourselves.😮
The entire translation of K's speech to Hindi is incorrect. The translator did not understand the simple teaching of K. It's a no-mind state where the real knowledge rest. This is the self awareness that is embodied with love and compassion. As he rightly said, the reading of this is mere 'theory' but realising it through self enquiry the same become a 'fact'. I wonder why people are not understanding this simple yet profound insight 🤔
Wel said sir. Its pure impurities and ego make them unable to percept t fact . they still at bagavadgeeta theory but not practisin it . they think intellect s torch to see glazin atma
Time is dependent. Time doesn't exist absolute in the space. Without time there can't exist anything but space. Time exist only when there is any material or light in the space. Because time depends/exist with a reference point. These references points are changes in the things, people, light, thoughts etc.
After sakshibava leads to manolaya ,then u hav to reach to stitaprajnata ( stiti + prajna =) finally to sarvajnata . its journy .but u hav to travel in vehical of (watchin t action) .... Watch thought + mind +conflict + still mind + no mind + fragment of wave of truth + complete wave + become t wave itself ) is the path of journy .
I have read some of the comments here where the commenters give the impression that they actually understood him. I am questioning that. Let me summarise as if I would be sitting with K and having a one on one q and a: K - Thought is the cause of conflict and hence suffering. And thought is movement, i e psychological time. Memory is also movement, and hence, time. Do you agree with K on this premise. Me - yes, Sir. I do agree that it is evident through my observation that my thoughts are always in conflict with each other and hence created suffering, both for me and the people around. K - The next logical step is to ask, is there a pereption that is not the product of time? That is, can the mind perceive things, like this very qurstion being posed now, without movement in time? Without memory. Me - Completely and totally being honest, I don't know. Because I do not perceive this question without the mind trying to comprehend using memory on some level. K - Look at that tree ( from another talk). Really look at it? Can you look at the tree without having the knowledge that it is a tree? Me - Honestly, Sir, no, I can not. I know it is a tree, even if I don't think the word tree. And that folks is the door she was referring to at the beginning of the talk, at least for me. ❤❤❤
These people are so full of borrowed knowledge and their ego's specially that big lady pupul. Jk suggestion is very simple put away all your words aside and just aware of your existence(not physical) which is beyond any expression. So simple but its very difficult to see through our complex mind.
Also I was kind of disappointed by the definition of Tapas (burning impurity). Obviously that involves time. It’s not that hard to understand to go beyond thought which is time intellectually. To become totally aware of the process of thought is ending of thought and time (psychological).
This exactly. To be aware of the thought is the perception that K is getting at. The thought is in effect all the conflict which upon being observed ends on it’s own.
Its very unfortunate what K says, i wish it were not so, for my own sake, I have knowledge and wisdom, skill and understanding that I,ve trained for many years, yet he,s right, and it brings us back to such a basic level of existence that its very hard to accept. yet its the only way, very sad. That all our understanding is worthless? Its a terrible truth that K speaks of, the sorrow as he puts it, that all our struggle has been meaningless.. how difficult is that to accept, it has however in a small way transformed my relationships. Nobody i have met has seen this truth, so everything i do is always an exercise in deconstruction, however i have encountered love, and its differentiation has become more obvious, for that small mercy i am eternally grateful, if still totally lost.
Is it that you obsessed your ego with the identity of the enlightened? Of course this will be an hard understanding Knowledge is just another form of ego
In the the end of this debat Jiddu Krisnamurti comes to a conclusion that is only partially right. It is possible to listen to another persons question and what she is saying without using earlier learned knowledge or for a while using the conditioned brain. But if you want to understand what she is saying and possibly give an answer in words, then you have to dechifer this persons words, which is a linguisgic code. You can not do this without being trained in this code and which in this case is hidden in your brain and which you in this case must dig out and use. Thus, wheter it is soon or later, you in some way ressort to previously learned knowledge. If you can understand what the person is saying without using previous learning about words, phrases and their meaning, then you need to be a mind reader or a wizard. And then the person might as well throw spent Coffee ground or intestins from an animal in front of you on a table, and then you would understand the meaning of what the person would tell you or ask you about.
The monk near K Murthi is a Tibetan’s most respected Rinpoche. His name is Professor Samdong Rinpoche who’s the founder of current Nalenda university in India. He’s extremely knowledgeable and learned in Buddhism, ancient Sanskrit, Upanishad etc.. He constantly gets death-threat from China and was attempted several times but he’s so down to earth and doesn’t take many bodyguards around him while traveling. You would see him sitting alone with simple monk robes sometimes around trains’ platforms. He’s known to be able to translate every ancient Indian texts. He’s also known to assist in making a lot of Buddha movies in India. Even his holiness respects him highly.
But seeing Rinpoche sitting silently and closely with Krishnamurthi Ji with a smile speaks a volume of knowledge K is sharing and he’s absorbing.
change the country or context and they are either considered fools or a nobody. so your reputation means nothing.
❤
Also, there’s no center, no observer when you observe yourself closely. When your center (self) disappears then everyone’s center (self) disappear. This appears to be a fact
@@lodussorus6151 But they did travel in different countries and in different contexts already, Krishnamurti and Tibetan monks, from Alaska to Australia, and they do have reputations, maybe it depends on the person, not general cultures and countries. So your statement is not valid, and a kind of malicious one, since looks like you wanted just to spread some mud on these men.
Thank you for mentioning that, made the discussion have greater depth for me.
That love, compassion,energy, patience is quite evident in the composure of the J.K.Ji.
That's the most holistic perception, eh.
This video is really extraordinary. To see something like this on video is astonishing. One basically sees a Buddha teaching, invoking energetic and sharing vision on a trans-verbal level.
@1:22:04 - the problem is that they're saying things like "let go of conflict", etc. Whereas Krishnamurti is saying it's not about letting go, but acceptance, or perception without thought/analysis/etc. When he says if you can listen to the speaker without thought/reaction, then you have achieved what he is talking about.
Yes, people interpret what is spoken through their personal minds dictionary, to them a word may have a different meaning or memory associated with it, not what the person who spoke referred to.
This one discussion is enough to make you Enlightened. Keeping that level of patience when you come to ‘that’ hit against wall point is extremely difficult. That’s why only few enlightened people we had on this earth. K is one of those ❤
This is true meditation..really fortunate to see and get the perception of something which is of not known ,old ,knowedge etc but the true sense of learning where there is nothing to learn. Great awsome insight .
Thank you! This is true meditation not ego decoration! Blessings
'Nobody listened to the Buddha, that's why there is Buddhism."
Absolutely sir,absolutely!
There are people who follow Dhamma
People who really understand buddha and Dhamma they avoid identify them self as a Buddhist.
But we live in a world where most of the people will not understand these people spiritual practices if they explain it so they use the word “Buddhist” to express their spiritual path.
@@akileshv7311A true Buddhist would not call themselves a Buddhist as wouldn't a true Christian. These geniuses were talking about the exact same things, and these things are universal and intimate to every human. True light has no color.
Exact with jesus
Power statement
Here we see K's compassion in full action. Many things to learn watching this video. Of great value.
One of the greatest human being to ever walk on earth -that we can personally confirm! Rests, I simply don't know of.
absolutely....
@@richashrivastava4311 Yes true very true. He is not trying to sell anything to anyone but simply exploring with people. Amazing man.
Everyone and everything is great.
Last 30 minutes was transforming 😍
I got the real meaning(beyond words) of patience..Thank you Krishna ji. Once mind realizes it's incapacity,That is the truth. Have you come to that point??????????????
Yes
It is life-changing, Much more than any of the content present on TH-cam, I have come across, There is full stop at JK
Beautiful how K focused on the non English speaker, ( the least of my brothers) no one must leave until ALL have understood. 💜
I am a therapist. The moment someone comes in and says they have “depression and anxiety” the game is on. They come to me for “help”. Freedom is at the beginning,so we start with the first step from AA “I am powerless”. Next we define the I as consciousness. Consciousness is its contents. The contents are all the past. The self is in the past. What is left? This is where my would be client moves on to a therapist who will give they a system for change, that takes time and generates income. This is the therapy game. There is a reason why k doesn’t have therapy franchises, it’s not a money maker. Sometimes I wonder if I am deluded my this whole k thing, as I have never had anyone in my world who knew k besides myself. It’s been 50 years now.
I applaud your style.. it is a welcome contradiction of my view, that all therapists are businessmen.
While you can grasp JK, the common, suffering man does not have the bandwidth. There’s a reason other therapists are making bank, it’s precisely because they disguise themselves as saviours. Saviours give strategies and systems directed towards a mission, a path - while JK’s juice was in the pathless.
You have to go where people are. Start from there.. you have to give them the medicine they need in a pill coated by what they want. If the troubled man pursued his association with a healer, purity is guaranteed. But the onus is on the teacher to attract, and keep them craving the good stuff, little by little, through their own preferred means, until they become a fiend, and reach a place where only the ultimate will do.
You are not alone. Not everyone has the mental capacity to grasp JK's ideas. To Understand these extremely subtle paradoxes and loops and seek a solution for these issues and feel a little bit more "free" is not simple.
Maybe there are other paths to enlightenment, but JK 's path is more direct and subtle. It is highly intellect driven and it seems some of us have that evolutionary gift of curiosity which acts as a fuel for intellect. And we have no role or control over evolutionary traits. So I believe it's just pure luck that few people have that skill.
You are not deluded, for sure. You have a gift of intellect to understand JK. It's rare!
Ty for your candidness
1:09:10 K: Do I realise - in my blood, in my heart, in my depth of me - I am conflict? Or is it just an idea which I am trying to fit into this?
Lesson learned :
Realising the brain's incapacity is the truth. Then brain becomes still and perception comes outside of records.
The brain is an organ. Yes, it is likely where the mind resides, but perception is happening all around. There is ultimately no division between any given human and the rest of the universe.
Well scientists will not agree with you
U r here for this @1:27:05 (but do watch rest of the vdo)
😂 True
I have watched many conversations of JK with Pupul Jaykar. She is just intellectual++
Rather judgemental statement isn't it?
@@bodhiheeren he is not wrong
"If Buddha came today Now and tells you to listen will you listen ? " - J. Krishnamurthi question displays man's inability to give away the past, the Known. He is Light Pure Wisdom. J.k is eternal teacher. And What does he teach ? NOTHING.
❤❤
If words be put directly,
Pupul jaykar wanted to ask “ why am I not getting enlightened, why am I not having a larger than life experience ?
And that’s the trap of human beings. A Desire to become something. Waiting for a miracle to happen as if we are the most blessed of species or creatures among several millions and billions of life inhibiting this earth.
one doesn't understand this until they have done everything that they could and finally find the answer in not desiring.
One of best ones thank you..
❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏👏Krishnamurti ji knows all this inquiries are based on thoughts for rest of other excluding him becoz thoughts can’t help us to inquire or to penetrate then also he is trying his best that is the compassion 🥹🙏
38:21 "true note" brings about a good feeling on a standard of understanding and observation
Great teaching ! Thank you
Sun,20 NOV 2022, 1:46 am 1:15:40 - death ( BEST THING I EVER SEEN,LISITENED & LEARNED." ) THANKYOU JK 💖😭
Mind-blown. Thank you very much.
No words I have that's supreme talk
Changed my life 🙏🏼
Estar rodeado implica ser consciente de la energía propia, podríamos sentirnos señalados y volcar energía para y desde el pensamiento (ego) estar rodeado (de gente, no importa cual) implica una seria atención. Krishamurti es una maravilla, aunque en ocasiones lo vi salir de un ambiente, pues a la terquedad de alguien no se le puede otorgar energía si no se involucra en descubrir qué podría comprender con ella.
People get fustrated at him and mistake him as a nihilist. He is just a master of the non-conceptional and rebukes all ideas.
40:49 "Burn the impurities which our clouding your sight"
when to be serious and when to be forgiving
If we had video of Jesus speaking to the scribes and pharisees, it would have looked just like this....
Yes 🙌
1:55 to 2:56 the best of the video...
it's soo painful to see how K feels at the end of this video , seeing our struggle , esp with the Indian man .
He WANTS us to be free! This makes him a true Guru.
Gracias por subir este material 🙏
K is extremely patient with that woman that kept interrupting him. She's like the embodiment of thought.... always trying to get somewhere and do some thing. A busybody like the mind.
That is Pupul Jayakar, his biographer. I agree with your description. She may have been working material for her book. :) They apparently took care of him during his episodes.
I actually enjoyed her enquiry more than anyone else. She is asking the hard questions. The questions I would be struggling with listening to him. Krishnamurti doesn't need respect. Krishnamurti saw it his mission to help humanity be free of "the ego".
In the course of life from birth to death, harmony and conflict arise every moment. With samma-ditti (right understanding) of the nature of reality, one maintains samma-samadhi (right balancing) and get freed from defilements. Life is conflict. But, following the Noble Eightfold path, one can live meaningful life with dignity.
Thank you ❤
Very important discussion. Must watch from 1.45.00 .. til finish... learn about... brain realizes its incapacity...that is the truth.. nothing to learn.... .in that creation begins... its only action... not my action or others action...action with love, compassion, etc. I can say this is really extraordinary .... best Jewell of K, disussion
yes
He is trying, Hindi is not his first language.
1h20min K says when we listen to a person, we perceive through our egoic minds old past images of the words spoken, not listening without attribution to the words spoken. We then react to old thoughts of ours, not act on new words.
1:27:03 buddha talk
1:35:02 a way of living without knowledge..
1:39:27 Can you see a thing without naming it. Because naming is the movement of thought..
1:58:56.. because the Self is Knowledge
2:03:52.. The World is Me..
Thanks
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Our failure to realise it, is that our brain is always in movement, in effort, in seeking, searching, finding, a solution, an answer, a way out.
It's never been in the state of not knowing, but always in finding.
Thanka to K here.
And he repeatedly ask the question, what stopping it to happened, but sadly all the learned ppl missed the question again & again cause we have our questions need to be answered.
1:21:50 oh jesus :)))) very funny , struggling converting experience to words OR people struggle understanding (actually listening and experiencing) the words. Very extraordinary video. K was the Buddha walking on earth.
1:33:06
Compassion
I m so in tears
This is awesome:) It's like watching Bruce Lee in the ring against the best of the best.
Still mind + stagnent brain + watch object without words + new world start to work + chain of past learnt knwoledge broken + listen to vishwa buddi + learnin starts new dimension + atma jnana + listen to atma jnana + become atma paramatma speaks + listen paramatma + become paramatma . do it with effort leads to effortless action leads to become action itself .
This is a real enquiry
I completly understand k. 2022 Awakening
I don't know. It seems like they're confusing things a lot, though sometimes one or the other person tries to get it back on track. It does remind me of deep conversations I have that also go nowhere (there's one just like it in the Matrix, about synchronicity). I feel as though if I tried to explain many of things I've been through, it would be similar. I am not even able to talk about it in many cases. It seems some people can't resist intellectualising it.
You don't come to that point, the point comes about itself when the response of the knowledge, which is thought itself, ends. Could heat be separated from the fire?
Pupul Jayakar as usual trying to prove herself with her 'mystical' expressions.
So? Let it be. That is not what it is about.
@@lungarotta because she is not free from the known...
I think it's good that she interrupts. I think it's good that all of them have the questions they have. Because those are our minds speaking. Thank god these thoughts were put forth. Because unless they come up, Krishnamurti wouldn't have had the opportunity to heal and clean them. Watching this, I realise how often my own mind falls into such trap. And I see K healing me so patiently and affectionately. He was doing the same for them. That's why he let it all come out while getting a little frustrated but also knowing how important it was for all this nonsense to be on record for the future generations. Because this is the nonsense that's to be healed in each of us. This is the nonsense that's to be observed in us even if we are seeing it in Pupul. This is the nonsense he had come to heal in all of us.
You should be thankful to her ,she is trying her best to get the answers
Pupul jayakar said , Rinpoche ask that question and that Rinpoche is none other then H.H The Dalai Lama best friend Prof.Samdhong Rinpoche and his question is very meaningful, because all those great philosophers been discussing about certain topic for three years and trying to open the door and yet, the door is not open.So, ……?
Thank you j for showing us that that all the ancient cultures are conditioned.
That’s true that is past and we want continue it at any cost to feel secure ❤️👌
Merci !
Thanks 😊😊
When one attempts to observe an object without putting a label on it and is present in that observation. One realises that the brain can not do that. THAT realisation happens in the now and is not born out of memory or previous knowledge. That is evidence that perception without thought is possible.
32:25 "you'll find if you read the book at all, there is nothing to read"
a metaphorical but still tangible book of self
better to live your book of self than to try and live and read/reflect/actively edit it all at once, perhaps
Thank you
What a sabha ❤
The sangha ❤
The dhamma❤
Thank you!
Kadar ti je do resnice takrat ljubezen vidi ljubezen.
Gratitude 👃👃👃
More Lake Of Comunication In this Discussion.
Because Of different Languages....
Wonderful!
“Adding a chapter” at 31 minute, K and his colleagues all laughed, did you get it?
Diligence towards Order
An inclusive, unique, all-encompassing, evolving Order
Where the trivial but present conflicts reach their resolutions
the resolutions that seem so simple and evident but nonetheless have conceded to said persisting conflicts like disorder or egregious inhumanity or conflict itself
Untiring or Reasonably tiring Diligence concurrent to the willingness to live and continue living to see Unbias Order in one's life time
this is how I interpret the door not opening or intellectual efforts feeling inhibited and the diligence necessary to live and continue living because I imagine the quandary for the intellectual or less intellectual mind is living in this life of conflict or disorder worth living. Pointless or purposeful living
Sir, please, just listen!
Karya and Karn means cause and effect in english. Cause is effect, and the effect of the cause is a copy of memory- in the mind. They actually seem like two but they are really not. The human mind is composed of effects. Pundit Jee is dividing them into two seperate things but the cause is the effect. Everyone thinks object and subject are two things within the mind. But in the outer world, they are logically right. Obviously, this logic doesn't work within. Krishnajee doesn't understand hindi so others are misinterpreting what pundit jee saying.
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Pupul a toujours peur d'être rien aprés la mort 😅.. pour moi si il y à juste l'amour ça me va.😊❤
What are the names of other speakers
Fan sound..haha i m listening to dialogue and sound... Summer are coming... 😊
The people around krishnaji will take decades to understand.....
They are playing with thought as a toy, it is not a question of decade or 2 decades. It is the question of emergency.
They're trying to understand which is beyond knowledge beyond thought with thought
Why is the brain incapable of perception of the whole, and acting from that wholeness?
The often unavoidable thinking mind can be balanced through level training so it doesn't obscure the whole as it tips into fragmented ignorance as emotion aggregates. There are various meditative techniques that can be fused together with holistic attention. One can blow thoughts away with breath. One can use repeat word double thinking keeping the thought feel equal. One can use visualisation such as the subtle thinking mind energy floating as a lotus , or see the energy as writing on levelling water/space(feeling back to the space between the nerves or pulses that are with it). Doing these exercises cocktailed with attention and also balancing exercises(ie standing on one leg) can bring a great joy of composure.
voice of panditji is like Narendra Modi who else noticed this
Your brain is a network of words and you can't see anything new, if you are al the time using words, words, words.
"Come on sirs" ~J. Krishanamurti
There is no time space boundaries. Space is the only boundary which boundless, no light, no matter and so even no time.
@ 37:50....As long as one wants "the flower to blossom", it NEVER shall blossom. That's the problem. As long as the mind WANTS, all it will continue to do is want, hi-jacked by thinking and thought as it is. So, can a person "simply be?" For example; Can I sit still w my loneliness rather than grabbing the phone to chatter away w somebody else to assuage that loneliness w the courage to face the fact, "I am lonely?" Then through deeply experiencing that loneliness, the fear of that, the discomfort of that, finally understand that we can be ALONE and NOT LONELY? See the difference between lonely and alone. But as long as that person continues to cater to his own loneliness, that one shall forever remain LONELY. Every so-called negative state of mind, that state we do it to ourselves.😮
Could it also be that some of us are conditioned that way that the “door” could never open to us?
The entire translation of K's speech to Hindi is incorrect. The translator did not understand the simple teaching of K. It's a no-mind state where the real knowledge rest. This is the self awareness that is embodied with love and compassion. As he rightly said, the reading of this is mere 'theory' but realising it through self enquiry the same become a 'fact'. I wonder why people are not understanding this simple yet profound insight 🤔
Wel said sir. Its pure impurities and ego make them unable to percept t fact . they still at bagavadgeeta theory but not practisin it . they think intellect s torch to see glazin atma
Time is dependent. Time doesn't exist absolute in the space. Without time there can't exist anything but space. Time exist only when there is any material or light in the space. Because time depends/exist with a reference point. These references points are changes in the things, people, light, thoughts etc.
PJ never ceases to amuse me
True
After sakshibava leads to manolaya ,then u hav to reach to stitaprajnata ( stiti + prajna =) finally to sarvajnata . its journy .but u hav to travel in vehical of (watchin t action) .... Watch thought + mind +conflict + still mind + no mind + fragment of wave of truth + complete wave + become t wave itself ) is the path of journy .
I think Anand Mai Maa understood JK more than people present here.
Why do i want to be awaken ?
I have read some of the comments here where the commenters give the impression that they actually understood him. I am questioning that. Let me summarise as if I would be sitting with K and having a one on one q and a:
K - Thought is the cause of conflict and hence suffering. And thought is movement, i e psychological time. Memory is also movement, and hence, time. Do you agree with K on this premise.
Me - yes, Sir. I do agree that it is evident through my observation that my thoughts are always in conflict with each other and hence created suffering, both for me and the people around.
K - The next logical step is to ask, is there a pereption that is not the product of time? That is, can the mind perceive things, like this very qurstion being posed now, without movement in time? Without memory.
Me - Completely and totally being honest, I don't know. Because I do not perceive this question without the mind trying to comprehend using memory on some level.
K - Look at that tree ( from another talk). Really look at it? Can you look at the tree without having the knowledge that it is a tree?
Me - Honestly, Sir, no, I can not. I know it is a tree, even if I don't think the word tree.
And that folks is the door she was referring to at the beginning of the talk, at least for me. ❤❤❤
These people are so full of borrowed knowledge and their ego's specially that big lady pupul. Jk suggestion is very simple put away all your words aside and just aware of your existence(not physical) which is beyond any expression. So simple but its very difficult to see through our complex mind.
The translator is not translating properly. Poor Panditji.
It is because she neither understood K nor Panditji. It is her interpretation.
Also I was kind of disappointed by the definition of Tapas (burning impurity). Obviously that involves time. It’s not that hard to understand to go beyond thought which is time intellectually. To become totally aware of the process of thought is ending of thought and time (psychological).
This exactly. To be aware of the thought is the perception that K is getting at. The thought is in effect all the conflict which upon being observed ends on it’s own.
Una lastima que no este subtitulado en castellano!
to know the depth at which to speak on a topic like the depths of a pool is demarcated.
Pandit ji wants to "collect as much information out of K but ( w/ respect) K is Nothing
Its very unfortunate what K says, i wish it were not so, for my own sake,
I have knowledge and wisdom, skill and understanding that I,ve trained for many years, yet he,s right, and it brings us back to such a basic level of existence that its very hard to accept. yet its the only way, very sad. That all our understanding is worthless? Its a terrible truth that K speaks of, the sorrow as he puts it, that all our struggle has been meaningless.. how difficult is that to accept, it has however in a small way transformed my relationships.
Nobody i have met has seen this truth, so everything i do is always an exercise in deconstruction, however i have encountered love, and its differentiation has become more obvious, for that small mercy i am eternally grateful, if still totally lost.
Is it that you obsessed your ego with the identity of the enlightened? Of course this will be an hard understanding
Knowledge is just another form of ego
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avanti, avanti, K. Say at 15:20, it's italian for go on , go on
is that women on the chair= Vandana shiva?
It seems only the choosen one understand and be enlightene.
A patient one.
1:47:00
@1:33:13 "... tell him that for God's sake"
In the the end of this debat Jiddu Krisnamurti comes to a conclusion that is only partially right. It is possible to listen to another persons question and what she is saying without using earlier learned knowledge or for a while using the conditioned brain. But if you want to understand what she is saying and possibly give an answer in words, then you have to dechifer this persons words, which is a linguisgic code. You can not do this without being trained in this code and which in this case is hidden in your brain and which you in this case must dig out and use. Thus, wheter it is soon or later, you in some way ressort to previously learned knowledge. If you can understand what the person is saying without using previous learning about words, phrases and their meaning, then you need to be a mind reader or a wizard. And then the person might as well throw spent Coffee ground or intestins from an animal in front of you on a table, and then you would understand the meaning of what the person would tell you or ask you about.
Please, who’s K?
pada akhirnya keinginan kita untuk mencapai kebebasan yang menjadi penghalang untuk kita menjadi bebas