@@Patowo i think either The New king will use it to kill The old one to take throne or it is used to scar the king illegitimate children or both or neither
I agree but in the case of people like Xongli it slays the nenbeast rather than the king and in the case of people like Xongli due to his Tubeppa situation once he wins they also get sacrificed too @@ExtraOtter
I love how Togashi writes inteligent characters. None of them come off as the BBC sherlock type nonsense . They genuinely deduce things based on clues available to them and their own knowledge of how the world and nen works.
the bbc sherlock type is how not so smart people try to write smart people but togashi is himself a genius so he can write them really well, who do you think are the smartest top 5 in hxh btw?
@@spacesomeone LOL i don't know why are you guys dissing the BBC sherlock here xD i think there are a lot of bullshit instances in HXH too ; like when Netero knows almost exactly what morel is thinking , or when Ging predicts and manipulates the Zodiacs as if he knows exactly what they are thinking but in terms of smarts , i do think that So far the Smartest characters by far are Ging and Kurapika , Based on their feats they are the type that are good at everything even when it comes to general Knowledge they are well educated . Kuroro is probably up there too , he wasn't demonstrated to have great knowledge but it implies that he reads and love books too . there is netero , but there is no indication about him having great knowledge he's more like Street Smart . not counting the ants since they are abnormalities otherwise Poof will be up there with Ging and kurapika , and Mermeum will be of charts even though he probably doesn't have a lot of knowledge but he can probably learn everything in like 10 days
@@pianotensai2492 bc bbc sherlock is bullshit lol, the inferences made are nonsensical most of the time. not that hxh doesnt do that, i'm just explaining why people shit on bbc sherlock.
When reading this new chapter, I was very impressed how you predicted with incredible precision some of the plot points that were coming. And with a series as dense as Hunter, it's not a small thing. You really know your stuff and we can really feel the passion in your videos. You might be a new creator but you are already one of the best on this subject. It gonna be really fun to follow your commentary along with this great batch of chapter that Togashi is gifting to us Long Live The Otter 🙌
Theory: Skill Hunter gives Chrollo instructions on what to steal in order to reach the next level of the ability. It also provides details about the heist, which explains how Chrollo knows details about the succession war treasures. If Chrollo manages to complete the heist, Skill Hunter gets upgraded and so does Chrollo's nen. That's how he managed to get the "book mark". I guess the next upgrade will limit the conditions needed to steal an ability.
Given the insane abilities that the prince's possess, Chrollo as at the greatest place he could ever be at. Stealing just some of theri abilities would make him the strongest Nen User in the world. But it's also a very dangerous one. Your theory is really compelling, I don't thinks it is exactly how it works, because that would give Chrollo just too much of an advantage, but you might be close. Haven't heard that theory at all before. Great work coming up with it.
There has to be certain limitations, for example he cant share details with the phantom troup members. In case the heist fails, a condition is added in order to steal a new ability, making it more difficult to steal nen. I also think kuruta eyes heist might have been instructed by skill hunter. The more difficult the heist, the stronger skill hunter gets
We need longer vids, more vids, all the vids possible! I could listen to you ramble for 10 hours about this arc and not get bored. I feel you are one of the few creators I watch who actually picks up on all the small details and has actual media literacy. I find so many creators are quick to create massive theories that completely contradict the themes and narrative that is being setup, or just constantly mispronounce names of characters. It feels like many people go off of what they think should happen rather than analyzing what has been set up. To get to the point, keep up the great content!
I know its unrelated to this chapter, but I have a pet theory with Tserriednich. I think he is the Netro baby, and I think one of the two curses that Beyond placed on his other kids transfers a small portion of their knowledge and experience to Tserriednich, which is how he is able to learn so quickly. It would be A) Difficult to safely place on a newborn, B) Requires sacrifices in order to activate the benefits C) Involves the direct, biological siblings of the recipient, and D) How much experience Tserriednich receives will be contingent upon how far his sibling developed their Nen. Those are some serious restrictions, which could explain how the curses are so powerful.
@@metachirality Im not as sure about that. IIRC one of the conditions for the secession contest is that they have to be legal children of the Queens. It could just be that Beyond's traits are more dominant than Unma's? As an aside: I think some other conditions for the curse effects could be that benefits only activate both during the contest and at the location of it. Those restrictions would mean that the ability could fail outright. (e.g. Tserriednich could decide not to participate. One of the Beyond babies could be stationed as a border guard while everything goes down on Black Whale, ect).
Chrollo needs to shake the mindset that the Spider will continue without him, or the Troupe is doomed. His main flaw is that he can't actually read the Spiders very well. He gave Hisoka special treatment to move around Yorknew, and Hisoka betrayed him to Kurapika. He trusted Hisoka's fortune to not be tampered, and Hisoka played him AGAIN. Paku sacrificed herself to save him, because the "replaceable head" philosophy Chrollo instilled into the Troupe only stuck to Phinks and Feitan, the most brutal and sick-minded of the group. After the memory bomb, even those two seemed to have cooled off on the idea. Everyone else values Chrollo over the Spider. Even after all the proof he got of that in Yorknew, he's still completely convinced they'd be fine without him. Until he stops thinking that, he's just damning his friends.
Yep. Chrollo's already thrown himself away in his head and he can't see how the others care about him. It's depressing! And it's a possible route for Kurapika's life to take, so we gotta hope he manages to go another way.
@@ExtraOtter Did you notice he's kinda drawn like his child self in a couple of panels? Maybe it's a subtle hint at just how far he's starting to regress. Compare that to Morena looking less demonic, more comfortable, and human in a few panels last chapter, as her goal is coming to fruition. She also got the new, detailed headshot to show that she's still an abomination in human skin, but we're getting to see more sides of the big players this arc, and I'm really enjoying it.
There is so many lairs of plot of vengeance and people throwing their life away for it : - Kurapica wants revenge on the spiders - The spiders want revenge on Isoka - And now the mafia too wants revenge for the killing of one of their own and the spiders are responsible for that It's gonna be interesting how they all resolve and how they influence each other
My prediction is that Pariston is the Kakin leak for Hisoka, Chrollo, or maybe both. His connection to Beyond means that he could have access to that information since Nasubi and Beyond were big chilling together. Creating chaos and threatening the war might be in the Beyond faction's interest, and it just seems like a Pariston thing to do. If it isn't Pariston I think it'll at least have to with with Beyond.
Pretty good idea honestly. I believe he's capable of learning info like this via Beyond and I believe he'd do chaotic things with it. Maybe the motive's to stop the War early so that Bill doesn't die! Gotta have Bill around for the DC, that guy's your star hitter
It's possible with Chrollo, but Hisoka's informant is aware of Halkenburg's ability so that would be a big reach for someone as far away from the situation as Pariston (even if he has spies, none of them would have known this much about it).
I love how simple the montage is but still great, interesting and not boring at all with more focus on speech, kinda like "alt shift x" style! Great Job
These are such great recaps and analyses, always adds to my appreciation of all the little moving parts that make this arc so compelling. Hope you’re enjoying making them as much as I enjoy watching them!
I'm having a blast! And if it weren't for these videos, all my "talk about HxH" energy would be directed towards the 2 people I know IRL who read HxH, and they'd probably be pretty sick of me by now. So it's better for everyone that I have this outlet.
@@ExtraOtter lmaooo sadly relatable lol, nah man, any hxh content you ever want to make, anything at all you want to talk about, just make the vids, we're always up for more!
Well, another reason why Chrollo and Kurapika should team up. I'm excited for what's to come in the upcoming chapters. It's truly amazing how the logic works here: Take its battery and it will shut down.
"The spiders will go on, even if... I may die. That is what is worthy of awe ... my design of the spiders" I find it interesting that Chrollo says this line adjacent to the discussion of Kakin's nen ritual. Nen is all about restrictions and conditions, and it follows that the ultimate thing an individual can wager is their own life. That's why the more complex nen systems in the story such as Greed Island and the Succession Ceremony that take place over time with groups of people can have even more powerful nen than an individual (such as the Breath of Archangel in GI) I wonder if Chrollo's line about the spider right next to the Kakin nen ritual is a hint that Chrollo is trying to make a nen system using the spiders, beyond the spider just being a group of people. Perhaps something will activate when the head of the spider dies, or maybe skillhunter is tied to the spider in some way.
I love listening to your videos. You do a great job with this content- it’s thoughtful, interesting and organized- also your voice is nice to listen to. Very chill so this is prime listening material when going over theories and recaps. Thanks again for taking the time!
I hope the original owner of Chrollo's nen phone is living happily with the love of her life and wasn't left depressed and suicidal like bandit secret's other victims
Personal Hipfire Thoughts: The statue relic is overwhelmingly likely to be responsible for the mass of dark hands containing the boundaries of the succession contest. I believe its name may be alluding to a karmic-style system of how this contest works, I think the Nen beasts are specifically prior participants in the contests at this point because I think the dark hands represent a fraction of the sacrifices and the nen beasts represent a fraction of the participants. I believe the sword can control life and death and is the only means of unfuckening the fundamental rules of the succession war. Nasubi was likely stating very literally that he cannot in any way die until the contest fully concludes. I feel less confident about the spirit of the first king possessing Nasubi and other contest winners, but if that ends up being true it is likely a direct result of the sword (I'd say it's below a 50% chance). I think the sword contains the souls of the prior kings and that either Nasubi himself or the winner will be slain by that blade (likely Nasubi). The winner being slain by it is much more viable IF the soul of the first king is possessing his descendants. I also think that having been a winner of a succession war ever means that the blade can pass judgment on someone if they fail to enact the next ritual for any reason, and that the soul of the winner will ultimately be committed to the sword because they gave blood to the urn, officially entering the contest. Ultimately the contest eats and recycles every soul that interacts with it if I'm right on the prior stuff. I do think the blade holds an answer to ending the cycle, probably through some kind of "absolute" exorcism capability or something, but if it doesn't this seems SUPER dark-continenty and ominous.
I can't help but wonder if Chrollo has used the National Treasure upgrade condition before all of this, for either his bookmark or the book itself. In a grotesque way the Kurta eyes are "nen artifacts" too... I find it thematically appropriate Togashi's chosen to revisit Kurapika and the troupe's storylines through this tale of familial succession. Kurapika and Chrollo have both always been enslaved by their own lineage/ideals, and Chrollo is clearly considering retiring the spider throne to an heir of his own design (though it's not so apparent whom he has in mind). I'm questioning if Chrollo is aware of the Hei-Ly's (all but confirmed) connections to the meteor city snuff films; I'd imagine crushing them would take priority over even Hisoka if he was. That, or part of his master plan is to sic Kurapika on them. Either way a whole lot of big names are about to converge on tier one and Togashi is cooking with gas!
You know, Chrollo being obsessed with the Heil-Ly could explain why he's done some extraordinary research on the Kakin royal family and/or found an informant to tell him this hidden info about the Succ War's mechanics. So you might be completely right and it's all connected.
@@ExtraOtter team Nobunaga consists of three og meteor city spiders, so it's telling that even they are seemingly unaware of a hidden agenda at play, and are only really hunting Hei-Ly out of circumstance. Either Chrollo's being extra greedy with his martyrdom, or the full troupe is in store for a big reveal along with the rest of us...
Theory: Meteor City used to be the place the Succession Wars were being held. That's how so many of its details were kept secret, how Chrollo still knows about them and the personal reason for why the Troupe are targeting the treasures.
We know Shizuku will meet her end on that boat though, in a room with contraband. Question is, who is she alone with? Hisoka? One of the princes? Casualty of their succession war? 🤔
Awesome breakdown. Fuck it Chrollo and Kurapika team up and he forgives Chrollo after chrollo tells him the truth about the kurta incident. Then Kurapuka becomes a spider, he gets pakunodas number 9 😢😢😂
I think Nobunaga just physically made a half-baked sword, if it was Conjured he could just deactivate it or use In on it, no point making a big deal out of it being visible. About Chrollo's informant, I don't know about the treasure, but it's possible he got the knowledge of the Succession Contest through Illumi and Kalluto who are around Mizai (either Mizai explained it to them to avoid complications or Kalluto used his ability to spy on Mizai while he talked with other Zodiacs and Kakin officials), then may have connected the dots to the treasures he already knew about from other sources. But it could be anything else of course.
Maybe he's bad at conjuration (he's an enhancer after all) and it takes some minutes of concentration for him to conjure a not so good sword. If that's the case, he would not be able to conjure a functional sword on the spot.
@@joaoramos7160 true, but if he was able to conjure a sword, I think he would have done so before retrieving the real one with the mafia, instead of walking around the BW unarmed with a loose Hisoka on the boat. He didn't even plan for Phinks and Feitan to join him at first.
Chrollo after stealing the treasures but getting done in by Hisoka: "I'm losing? Nah fam; *we* losing. Here’s how we gonna do this Roses are red Weapons against me won’t prosper With these sacred treasures I summon..."
Dude, we know where the treasures are and who protects them, it was leaked today. The seed Urn is in Tier 1, it's protected by Zepille, he made a fake of it in the auction arc, now he is protecting the original. The Buddha is being protected by Tonpa in a secret room of the Ministry of Justice in Tier 2, there is no doubt that it is the most difficult to obtain since the Buddha guards the exit barrier of the ship. Finally the sword is protected by Milluki in the back of the McDonald's in Tier 2. What a masterpiece Togashi is cooking 10/10.
I personally think that the treasure Chrollo wants to steal is not specifically linked to a "rare ability" but rather that stealing treasure is a condition for more pages to be added to Skill Hunter, thus making Chrollo able to hold more abilities.
interesting point, it could be that you also need to steal treasures to add pages as you say but chrollo saying "I need to steal something comparable to a national treasure to store that rare and powerful ability in my book before the "usual" activation conditions" i think this is decisive evidence that the treasure needs to worthy of the power, but who knows he could have a backup plan to find many powers in case he doesn't find the rare one, I think he'd definitely tho.
@@spacesomeone If that's the case I really want to know exactly what Chrollo considers a "rare" ability. This exact same phrasing was used when the Troupe described Shizuku and Pakunoda's abilities I'm pretty sure.
@@spacesomeone I think the theory about upgrading the book is the most likely. Before fighting Hisoka he pulled the biggest bullshit in the form of the Bookmark Theme, so he needs to have a condition to get those upgrades. Being able to upgrade the book depending on Heists is perfectly in character to him and the Troupe and also makes their behaviour such as in the Auction Heist makes more sense. If every heist adds a page and every time he breaks his record of stealing he remove his limitations, then it adds up to the absolute powerful Hatsu that is Skill Hunter. Also, i think this heist is a lot bigger than the previous one that theoretically got him Bookmark, so imagine how big this upgrade will be.
Maybe not Dogman and Sodom, but I can perfectly see Billy going for Halk's guards. He seems important enough to be a possible threat and fodder enough to have a cool fight with him that end up in his death
About Chrollo knowing the information about the seed urn ceremony. It might not be anyone feeding him information. It could literally be from some ability he has in his book. There are probably Nen Abilities that can divine stuff like that, and Chrollo could literally have anything in his book.
Everyone keeps talking about nobunaga’s nen type. He is an enhancer - it’s already been confirmed years ago. His personality, intuition, and fighting style further proves this
While I do think that the ability Chrollo is looking for is one we haven't see yet. Depending on what exact criteria he put into the phone and assuming he is aiming for a double KO(which i think is a sure thing). If he input say "ability that kills user and target" then out of the abilities that we know are on the boat we have three options, Which Camilla is the most likely candidate. 1: Cammy(self explanatory) 2: The Have-Nots(Least likely Chrollo probably added "kill immediately" to his criteria and wants something he can use right away and not a curse with a long windup) 3: Kurapika(Longest of long shots. He has Chain jail which kills the user if used on a non-spider and Judgement Chain which crushes the heart of the target when they break a set rule) The Kurapika option depends on a lot we don't know like what exact criteria did Chrollo enter and does the phone and skill hunter consider all of kurapika's chains one ability or are they five individual abilities. While I don't think Kurapika is the target I just can't get the idea that Chrollo will steal and use the abilities of someone whose designed them to kill the Phantom Troupe out of my head. Chrollo did say that delving into the darkness in the hearts of others was the true joy of Skill Hunter after all. God I love this arc every chapter in this batch is a feast.
I *believe* he's already got the double KO thing locked down, since he's not worried about Hisoka finding him. So my interpretation is he's looking for a different ability which will handle things better (allowing him to kill Hisoka without dying if he manages to steal the treasure and then get the ability before their rematch). And yes, every chapter's a banger, I'm savoring every week
Just wanted to mention: the version that I read said that stealing the sacred treasures would allow chrollo to 'evolve' his skill hunter. Maybe its cuz of all of the Jojo references in this arc (with Halkenburg's nen beast mirroring Jotaro and Hinrigh's hatsu mimicking Golden Experience), but the term 'evolution' through the use of an artifact kinda reminds me of Jojo's Golden Arrow, where getting pierced by it after unlocking a stand would evolve the stand to a 'requiem' form where it obtains an absolutely broken ability that is perfectly complemental to what your greatest desire is at that moment.
Koichi's the GOAT because his Stand evolved by character growth alone. But I agree! Chrollo's boiling himself down into a purer and purer version of himself and the result is a more perfect ability.
I think the reason Chrollo knows so much is because of his skill hunter book. I bet his book sets a random target item for him to steal so he can upgrade the books power to the next level. By setting it at random it makes his nen ability more powerful like kites crazy slots ability. If that target item is all three of those Kakin treasures then it makes sense he knows what they do and how dangerous they are. And also how much power he'll get by stealing them
When everyone talks about chrollo looking for an ability to kill hisoka, while also sacrificing himself it always makes me think of the have-nots death curse which no one seems to mention as a possibility.
Given that Chrollo already has so many abilities in Skill Hunter, maybe his missing ability is one that can be used to "power up" other abilities. It'd be so great if Chrollo just strolls into 1014 not for Kurapika but for Bill. The guy's been slept on so hard up til now
I can see Kourapika joining the Troupe or even replacing Chrollo. First time I hear someone mention something along those lines. Grear video as always, I highly enjoy your analyses.
How do you envision this scenario happening? Some revelation about the Kurta Massacre that changes everything? Because I'm pretty sure Kurapika still hates the spiders and would not hesitate to kill them.
The possible options he’s looking for with the nen user -someone who teleports (heily nerds) - someone who can mass stun (melody) - counter active on death (Camilla) - suicide pact type (have nots)
The one missing piece of the puzzle Chrollo's been searching for all these years? The ability to summon a bunch of snakes and a cool doll. Now he's hunting for the same person Kurapika is, they're a team, woo!
I think that the Hei-Ly have a member that can teleport non nen users, so they dont need to necessarly lure them to interviews, they can teleport people to the processing unit in a lot of ways. Also, if Morena is manipulating Kaizer, then their hideout is probably in the justice bureau or theres a hidden entrance there. The button Kaizer told the other character to press might be an alarm to the Hei-Ly or a way to destroy evidence of the mafia. Also, if Kaizer helped Hisoka enter tier 1, he could probably be Morena's trump card against the troupe
Extra Otter and SuccWarCentral are my favourite Channel for HxH chapter analysis every week since it started being published again. Great to see such amazing channels appearing out of nowhere. You do amazing work and I absolutely love it. In my opinion you are doing an even better job than NewWorldReview as of recently. Always looking forward to your videos.
I completely agree with you on the cat theory and how simple it is to dispose of hisokas body. I really like the theory of kurapika teaming up with the spider troupe. Their fates are Entertwind. the 4th prince. Is the reason for both of their vengeful cause. Would be really cool if kurapika learned about sarssa and their past. + Ending the war/stealing the treasure
Thanks to your tip about job opening I actually got hired by waste management facility on the black whale ! Though it was pretty weird of them to ask me to bring as many people with me in need of jobs. Also about Chrollo knowing about sacred treasure, could it be he learned it from a book since Machi states that he is fond of books.
The info's just in a book but it's still completely hidden from public knowledge because nobody reads books? Wow, HxH might be a little too realistic now
@@ExtraOtter a rare/hidden book he probably stole ? I mean even the things about dark continent were written in a book so secrets about kakin may not be too far fetched right ?
@@mr.freedom4625 It would be hilarious if there's another case of "everyone thinks the book is fiction but it tells the real story." If so, I think it's a Hunger Games-style YA novel about young Nasubi surviving his War back in the day
Chrollo would steal Basho's haku nen power and talk dawn Hisoka to death in manor of Nastrado's girl poems predictions. Chrollo already have an expirience, and spiders knew a lot about all Nostrado gards back then
This would be some good revenge for the time Hisoka fooled him with a fake poem. (Hisoka still doesn't get enough credit for writing that poem so fast, that's not easy to do)
Thank you for the reminder for contagion rules. Halkenburg's guards looking like an xp farm. On a side note, I can't be the only one looking for Dogman and Sodom Easter egg in the panels with crowds (wheres Waldo type thing).
I also think it is possible chrollo wants to evolve skill hunter to be able to transcend its current conditions and be able to steal abilities of dead people so that he could steal hisokas ability after killing him preventing him from reviving
Regarding Chrollo's knowledge of the succession war, I think because Chrollo is an avid reader he's probably read up on the history of Kakin and it's royal family and managed to put two and two together regarding the princes + whatever secretive online information that Shalnark could have looked up for him.
Great summary I do like the idea that the York New heist is what gave him the powers of the book mark he uses against Hisoka even though he did lose his nen as the heist went successfully. I do wonder how Chrollo knows so much about the 3 treasures because he says it like it was a rumour/common information but we barely know anyone who mentions the sword?
I feel we're close to hitting an "assault on the palace" chapter real soon. Togashi's going to have to stop time to show everything that's happening everywhere at the same time.
I figured he actually crafted that sword, definitely using Nen but I don’t think it was entirely conjuration (maybe a little bit where he can transform materials into a completed product or a shoddy sword into a better one). My main thought was it would be him using his own hands to shape a sword from raw materials, like Luffy making his baseball bat in One Piece chapter 1111.
I think that Chrollo is trying to level up bandit’s secret with post mortem nen so that he regain access to dead people’s abilities. Specifically dead troupe members like Shalnark and Kortopi. It would make sense to sacrifice a post mortem nen item like the seed urn to gain post mortem nen properties for stolen abilities. We know that the original user of Sun and Moon is dead and the ability remains in his book, so maybe he could sacrifice those items to regain access to gallery fake and black voice. When he’s talking about clearing the usual restrictions it could mean clearing the restrictions to use the bookmark so he can use a post mortem gallery fake. Post mortem black voice would also be much stronger since he can keep an antenna on him at all times. Plus, it would make a lot of sense character wise to try and preserve the abilities of his friends, and it would mean he could use the same strategy to beat Hisoka.
The problem is Chrollo would need to rely on the same strategy twice, and as we know it didn’t work the first time. It’s difficult to see how post Mortem Nen would make a significant difference, unless he was going for a completely different strategy
@@chrolloxchrollo3451 Well There is the surprise factor of course. But it could mean that clones created by gallery fake would be permanent once he switched to a new ability, rather than only becoming permanent when marked with sun and moon. Since gallery fake requires two hands this wouldn't change much, only increasing the speed at which chrollo could create clones since he didn't need to make them with sun and moon. Black voice on the other hand would be incredibly powerful if it had post mortem nen properties. If chrollo could use a black voice antenna on a target, give an order, then close his book with black voice still remaining, then it would mean chrollo could use the 2nd antenna with potentially two other abilities active. Lets say he had order stamp activated to command an army of clones, and he used the left hand of convert hands to disguise himself as a clone. He could attack with the army and hit hisoka with the antenna when he least expects it, and the antenna is an instant kill.
@@lara6489 that black voice idea sounds extremely absurd and right up Chrollo’s alley. That would also explain how the “spider would go on”, comment would include its deceased members as well!
Great video, as always! Some questions: 1. I hypothesize that Chrollo needs to steal a national treasure not to evolve his Book literally (as in: develop a second bookmark), but rather: that's his new condition for stealing abilities. A hint was given in ch351 - Chrollo mentions that because of the Bookmark, he has now "more annoying conditions to deal with" (is it really plural? because I know it's not so easy in Japanese). So, if he plans to steal a powerful nen ability, he has to steal something of comparable material(?) value before going to fulfill his 1-hour conditions. That's only my theory though. I think if it was to evolve the Book, it would have been a strange condition to exist that we didn't know about prior. 2. I think the line about using Disgusting Telephone at Heaven's Arena is not random. Maybe there was really something off during the fight? Something that Hisoka figured after his revival? I also have one more about Chrollo's plan with treasures/Hisoka, because something seems off to me, but I have to sort it in my mind first
1. I have the "evolve" terminology from VoraciousDrake's translation, but I'm not sure any of us knows exactly what Chrollo's talking about, so yeah, don't put too much weight on it. But maybe he came up with this whole "evolving" gimmick as part of the change that led to the bookmark and it wasn't around before? Hard to say. 2. Yeah, he was looking for an ability of some sort before knowing Hisoka was gonna be a recurring problem. So maybe he really was looking for something that'd help him steal the Kakin treasures? Also hard to say as yet. (But I don't think the Disgusting Telephone was involved in the fight - it has no use there at all, Chrollo knew exactly where his opponent was the entire time.)
Since Chrollo called while at the arena, it would naturally not be an ability he had at that exact moment. So no reason to find someone with a manipulation ability, or cloning ability. Depending on when he lost the future reading ability it might be related. I definitely believe it wouldn't be anything that does the killing, cause he had what he needed there at the arena. 😅
It seems like once the head of spiders is dead, something happens. I'm thinking this would be an introduction to a group nen ability ? sort of like Halkenberg's but assigned to the group that is that phantom troupe.
Lmao what's wild is irl a man who worked in waste disposal tried to get me to go to school for it once and said almost the exact same thing you did glad I didn't go😂
I don't even think this is true. If Chrollo's got the book open to the cat (even via bookmark), that's one ability slot he's not using to fight for real. At such a disadvantage, Hisoka doesn't need to rush to deal a fatal blow - he could toy with him a little and, more importantly, bind him up so the book is closed just to be extra safe. Whoops, no cat anymore, you're dead! It's a lousy plan unless Hisoka is way too trigger happy, and that's not a Hisoka problem at all: he's always stalling out fights.
Tajao *might* not know everything, but I’m not buying the “omg you guys are soooo evil” act from a mafia underboss, and especially not a Kakin mafia underboss. I think his shock IS due to how quickly the Spiders are deconstructing the Heil-Ly, but not because he didn’t know the HLs plan, and instead because of how much he and his mafia associates had underestimated the Spiders. It wouldn’t be the first tome the mafia underestimated them in this series; in fact, it almost feels like a hallmark at this point. For instance, Hinrigh might be respectful of them, but he clearly thinks that he and Zakkuro are enough to take one of them out. As for the mafia, I think its becoming more clear that they are aware of the Heil-Lys plans and probably have no plans to stop it. They keep spouting off about keeping balance, so I think that in order to avoid an all-out war between factions, they don’t actually want to take out the Heil-Ly, but instead make sure that they’re strong enough to keep balance and even out the other two mafia groups. Having the HL cause chaos has the effect of covering up their true intentions of gaining power quickly, but also a secondary effect of bringing about the implementation of martial law. Martial Law benefits the mafia since they are the de facto rulers of the lower tiers, and all but guarantees their control. Thats just my theory about why they are being so coy about all of this and not addressing it head on.
I don't think the queens would necessarily know about it either, if anything... this is a kakin secret. If they knew all this information they would use it to benefit their prince. Only ones I think should know about this would be King Nasubi himself, few close people who work for him and Beyond.
True. Duazul's pretty much a shot in the dark... but Nasubi has no incentive at all to give away secrets about the treasures cuz it's opening the door for Chrollo to interrupt the whole Succ War. Maybe Beyond? But he also probably wants the Succ War to finish so his child can win. A queen is my best guess for someone who could conceivably know and also want to thwart everything.
maybe chrollo was using the phone to find someone who has any information on the ability or its owner and that's why he really expected to find a person who fits the criteria at heavens arena or in a big crowd about the ability nanika's power came to my mind ik it makes absolutely no sense but since it's so "rare and powerful" i think it might be something crazy like that lol
I want more info on this "Disgusting Telephone" ability, if it really allows him to find people with specific abilities then that's an insane combo with his Skill Hunter book
I want to know how he got it! Did DT's original user input some criteria that led her to Chrollo as a love-match? If so, she has to be the unluckiest character in the series, that's a really bad first date
Okay, I changed my mind. I think he *IS* actually looking for someone specific, and it is *not necessarily* the person he wants to steal an ability from. My main reason for thinking this is the description of the ability: "It helps you to find your *ideal partner*", and you can input a criteria to search for them. It was the ability of some girl named Narumi. My Hypothesis is that the searching criteria is something fixed by the ability, like something you get on a dating app. Maybe body size, height, eye color, age, etc. I really doubt this Narumi girl had a fixed criteria for nen type or type of nen ability. So, Chrollo uses this ability thought for finding dates to find people he knows information about, mainly their appearance, but doesn't know where they are. But WHO is he looking for?? What do we know about this person? - Chrollo thought they could be on Tier 3 or below, so nobody from royal family. - It's someone who is on Tier 2 or above. - It's a nen user. - Chrollo thought he could find them on Heaven's Arena. Who are they? I think the answer is the most obvious and boring one: *Hisoka*. I think he is just looking for him lol, but why make it a mystery then?, just to troll your audience?! Most likely yes, but maybe Togashi didn't reveal who is Chrollo looking for because it is a surprise (?), although I highly doubt it 😑. There's literally no one in the ship that fits with all the criteria I listed above except for Hisoka. Maybe Wing? That would be very funny 🤣. To reveal that Wing is in the ship. But why the HELL would Chrollo be looking for him lol
As I mentioned, though, looking for one specific person makes it meaningless to "loosen" the criteria. Either that person is found or they're not: all the info is conveyed by the first search and there's no universe where "loosening" the search will have a purpose. So because Chrollo considers loosening the criteria, he can't have been looking for one specific intended person.
Could Chrollo be gunning for one of the mafia bosses? They very well may know of the the Kakin Holy Treasures, and could very well also be Nen Users whose ability(s) he'd like to commandeer, and they're on Tier 1. It would also be a very interesting wrinkle to add since the Troupe is very close to having all of their bridges with the Mafias be burnt.
I mean i was waiting for your analysis more than anyone else who gives their analysis.. I dont like watching people doing analysis in a half baked manner making a lot of mistakes especially the one who said sarasa = morena and saying its 100% guaranteed.. I want people like you who share the same dedication and passion for HxH and i would like more of your videos...
Chrollo's revealing the way out of the succesion war is wiiiild
¿What will the sword relic do?
@@Patowo i think either The New king will use it to kill The old one to take throne or it is used to scar the king illegitimate children or both or neither
@@sapomen1352 The new king using it on the old one is a good guess. Explains why Nasubi says he still has an important role to play.
@@sapomen1352 I was thinking the same!!, maybe it's like giving the ownership of the relics to te new king
I agree but in the case of people like Xongli it slays the nenbeast rather than the king and in the case of people like Xongli due to his Tubeppa situation once he wins they also get sacrificed too @@ExtraOtter
I love how Togashi writes inteligent characters. None of them come off as the BBC sherlock type nonsense . They genuinely deduce things based on clues available to them and their own knowledge of how the world and nen works.
the bbc sherlock type is how not so smart people try to write smart people but togashi is himself a genius so he can write them really well, who do you think are the smartest top 5 in hxh btw?
@@spacesomeone LOL i don't know why are you guys dissing the BBC sherlock here xD
i think there are a lot of bullshit instances in HXH too ; like when Netero knows almost exactly what morel is thinking , or when Ging predicts and manipulates the Zodiacs as if he knows exactly what they are thinking
but in terms of smarts ,
i do think that So far the Smartest characters by far are Ging and Kurapika , Based on their feats they are the type that are good at everything even when it comes to general Knowledge they are well educated .
Kuroro is probably up there too , he wasn't demonstrated to have great knowledge but it implies that he reads and love books too .
there is netero , but there is no indication about him having great knowledge he's more like Street Smart .
not counting the ants since they are abnormalities otherwise Poof will be up there with Ging and kurapika , and Mermeum will be of charts even though he probably doesn't have a lot of knowledge but he can probably learn everything in like 10 days
@@pianotensai2492 Netero and Ging especially are pure writer clairvoyance, I absolutely agree, but I would say those are the exceptions.
@@pianotensai2492 bc bbc sherlock is bullshit lol, the inferences made are nonsensical most of the time. not that hxh doesnt do that, i'm just explaining why people shit on bbc sherlock.
@@pianotensai2492 "why are you guys dissing bbc sherlock"
it was a boomerang
When reading this new chapter, I was very impressed how you predicted with incredible precision some of the plot points that were coming. And with a series as dense as Hunter, it's not a small thing. You really know your stuff and we can really feel the passion in your videos. You might be a new creator but you are already one of the best on this subject. It gonna be really fun to follow your commentary along with this great batch of chapter that Togashi is gifting to us
Long Live The Otter 🙌
Long live the otter.
This was probably one of the few recent chapters that answered more questions than the ones that were raised.
Theory: Skill Hunter gives Chrollo instructions on what to steal in order to reach the next level of the ability. It also provides details about the heist, which explains how Chrollo knows details about the succession war treasures. If Chrollo manages to complete the heist, Skill Hunter gets upgraded and so does Chrollo's nen. That's how he managed to get the "book mark". I guess the next upgrade will limit the conditions needed to steal an ability.
Honestly this feels pretty solid for a theory
Given the insane abilities that the prince's possess, Chrollo as at the greatest place he could ever be at. Stealing just some of theri abilities would make him the strongest Nen User in the world. But it's also a very dangerous one. Your theory is really compelling, I don't thinks it is exactly how it works, because that would give Chrollo just too much of an advantage, but you might be close. Haven't heard that theory at all before. Great work coming up with it.
And if he fails the heist, he gets punished? There's got to be a drawback right?
Sick theory, i love that
There has to be certain limitations, for example he cant share details with the phantom troup members. In case the heist fails, a condition is added in order to steal a new ability, making it more difficult to steal nen. I also think kuruta eyes heist might have been instructed by skill hunter. The more difficult the heist, the stronger skill hunter gets
I love that Nobunaga has an emotional support sword.
We need longer vids, more vids, all the vids possible! I could listen to you ramble for 10 hours about this arc and not get bored. I feel you are one of the few creators I watch who actually picks up on all the small details and has actual media literacy. I find so many creators are quick to create massive theories that completely contradict the themes and narrative that is being setup, or just constantly mispronounce names of characters. It feels like many people go off of what they think should happen rather than analyzing what has been set up. To get to the point, keep up the great content!
Love your no clickbait summaries!
I know its unrelated to this chapter, but I have a pet theory with Tserriednich. I think he is the Netro baby, and I think one of the two curses that Beyond placed on his other kids transfers a small portion of their knowledge and experience to Tserriednich, which is how he is able to learn so quickly.
It would be A) Difficult to safely place on a newborn, B) Requires sacrifices in order to activate the benefits C) Involves the direct, biological siblings of the recipient, and D) How much experience Tserriednich receives will be contingent upon how far his sibling developed their Nen.
Those are some serious restrictions, which could explain how the curses are so powerful.
is that why he doesnt look like unma?
@@metachirality Im not as sure about that. IIRC one of the conditions for the secession contest is that they have to be legal children of the Queens. It could just be that Beyond's traits are more dominant than Unma's?
As an aside: I think some other conditions for the curse effects could be that benefits only activate both during the contest and at the location of it. Those restrictions would mean that the ability could fail outright. (e.g. Tserriednich could decide not to participate. One of the Beyond babies could be stationed as a border guard while everything goes down on Black Whale, ect).
You channel is dope, man. You have a clear understanding of Togashi's writings and meaning.
Keep goin!
Chrollo needs to shake the mindset that the Spider will continue without him, or the Troupe is doomed. His main flaw is that he can't actually read the Spiders very well.
He gave Hisoka special treatment to move around Yorknew, and Hisoka betrayed him to Kurapika. He trusted Hisoka's fortune to not be tampered, and Hisoka played him AGAIN. Paku sacrificed herself to save him, because the "replaceable head" philosophy Chrollo instilled into the Troupe only stuck to Phinks and Feitan, the most brutal and sick-minded of the group. After the memory bomb, even those two seemed to have cooled off on the idea.
Everyone else values Chrollo over the Spider. Even after all the proof he got of that in Yorknew, he's still completely convinced they'd be fine without him. Until he stops thinking that, he's just damning his friends.
Yep. Chrollo's already thrown himself away in his head and he can't see how the others care about him. It's depressing! And it's a possible route for Kurapika's life to take, so we gotta hope he manages to go another way.
@@ExtraOtter Did you notice he's kinda drawn like his child self in a couple of panels? Maybe it's a subtle hint at just how far he's starting to regress.
Compare that to Morena looking less demonic, more comfortable, and human in a few panels last chapter, as her goal is coming to fruition.
She also got the new, detailed headshot to show that she's still an abomination in human skin, but we're getting to see more sides of the big players this arc, and I'm really enjoying it.
There is so many lairs of plot of vengeance and people throwing their life away for it :
- Kurapica wants revenge on the spiders
- The spiders want revenge on Isoka
- And now the mafia too wants revenge for the killing of one of their own and the spiders are responsible for that
It's gonna be interesting how they all resolve and how they influence each other
Let's pray for Togashi's back. May he write up until chapter 430 before going into his well deserved rest period.
We've got around 15 chapters to go at the very least
My prediction is that Pariston is the Kakin leak for Hisoka, Chrollo, or maybe both. His connection to Beyond means that he could have access to that information since Nasubi and Beyond were big chilling together. Creating chaos and threatening the war might be in the Beyond faction's interest, and it just seems like a Pariston thing to do. If it isn't Pariston I think it'll at least have to with with Beyond.
Pretty good idea honestly. I believe he's capable of learning info like this via Beyond and I believe he'd do chaotic things with it.
Maybe the motive's to stop the War early so that Bill doesn't die! Gotta have Bill around for the DC, that guy's your star hitter
It's possible with Chrollo, but Hisoka's informant is aware of Halkenburg's ability so that would be a big reach for someone as far away from the situation as Pariston (even if he has spies, none of them would have known this much about it).
Nobunaga will cut the Black Whale in half with the Blade of Divine Guidance
I love how simple the montage is but still great, interesting and not boring at all with more focus on speech, kinda like "alt shift x" style! Great Job
The way Otter keeps picking on Duazel in his theories is like seeing a 1st grader picking on his crush.
Bruh, Togashi cannot stop cooking. There is just a crazy amount of forces and POV at play.
YEEEEES!!!! I WAS RELOADING THE PAGE EVERY DAY ❤❤
These are such great recaps and analyses, always adds to my appreciation of all the little moving parts that make this arc so compelling. Hope you’re enjoying making them as much as I enjoy watching them!
I'm having a blast! And if it weren't for these videos, all my "talk about HxH" energy would be directed towards the 2 people I know IRL who read HxH, and they'd probably be pretty sick of me by now. So it's better for everyone that I have this outlet.
@@ExtraOtter lmaooo sadly relatable lol, nah man, any hxh content you ever want to make, anything at all you want to talk about, just make the vids, we're always up for more!
hxh fan, jerma references, league references, soprano references AND a PNW accent? im liking this guy
Well, another reason why Chrollo and Kurapika should team up. I'm excited for what's to come in the upcoming chapters. It's truly amazing how the logic works here: Take its battery and it will shut down.
If you had a nen type, it would definitely be a manipulator. You’re so analytical about these chapters it’s insane.
"The spiders will go on, even if... I may die. That is what is worthy of awe ... my design of the spiders"
I find it interesting that Chrollo says this line adjacent to the discussion of Kakin's nen ritual.
Nen is all about restrictions and conditions, and it follows that the ultimate thing an individual can wager is their own life. That's why the more complex nen systems in the story such as Greed Island and the Succession Ceremony that take place over time with groups of people can have even more powerful nen than an individual (such as the Breath of Archangel in GI)
I wonder if Chrollo's line about the spider right next to the Kakin nen ritual is a hint that Chrollo is trying to make a nen system using the spiders, beyond the spider just being a group of people. Perhaps something will activate when the head of the spider dies, or maybe skillhunter is tied to the spider in some way.
Chrollo's face in that panel was as funny as it was scary
Always look forward to your videos every time a new chapter drops!
same
I love listening to your videos. You do a great job with this content- it’s thoughtful, interesting and organized- also your voice is nice to listen to. Very chill so this is prime listening material when going over theories and recaps.
Thanks again for taking the time!
Shizuku is walking around in Groucho Marx glasses
We need a chapter of this
I hope the original owner of Chrollo's nen phone is living happily with the love of her life and wasn't left depressed and suicidal like bandit secret's other victims
Personal Hipfire Thoughts:
The statue relic is overwhelmingly likely to be responsible for the mass of dark hands containing the boundaries of the succession contest. I believe its name may be alluding to a karmic-style system of how this contest works, I think the Nen beasts are specifically prior participants in the contests at this point because I think the dark hands represent a fraction of the sacrifices and the nen beasts represent a fraction of the participants. I believe the sword can control life and death and is the only means of unfuckening the fundamental rules of the succession war. Nasubi was likely stating very literally that he cannot in any way die until the contest fully concludes. I feel less confident about the spirit of the first king possessing Nasubi and other contest winners, but if that ends up being true it is likely a direct result of the sword (I'd say it's below a 50% chance). I think the sword contains the souls of the prior kings and that either Nasubi himself or the winner will be slain by that blade (likely Nasubi). The winner being slain by it is much more viable IF the soul of the first king is possessing his descendants. I also think that having been a winner of a succession war ever means that the blade can pass judgment on someone if they fail to enact the next ritual for any reason, and that the soul of the winner will ultimately be committed to the sword because they gave blood to the urn, officially entering the contest. Ultimately the contest eats and recycles every soul that interacts with it if I'm right on the prior stuff.
I do think the blade holds an answer to ending the cycle, probably through some kind of "absolute" exorcism capability or something, but if it doesn't this seems SUPER dark-continenty and ominous.
Feel chrollo/kurapika team up could also happen as scarlet eyes and sarasa's death could both lead to tserriednich
the idea of Chrollo upgrading skill hunter is so batshit insane to me even tho this process is most likely how he created the bookmark ability
I can't help but wonder if Chrollo has used the National Treasure upgrade condition before all of this, for either his bookmark or the book itself. In a grotesque way the Kurta eyes are "nen artifacts" too...
I find it thematically appropriate Togashi's chosen to revisit Kurapika and the troupe's storylines through this tale of familial succession. Kurapika and Chrollo have both always been enslaved by their own lineage/ideals, and Chrollo is clearly considering retiring the spider throne to an heir of his own design (though it's not so apparent whom he has in mind).
I'm questioning if Chrollo is aware of the Hei-Ly's (all but confirmed) connections to the meteor city snuff films; I'd imagine crushing them would take priority over even Hisoka if he was. That, or part of his master plan is to sic Kurapika on them. Either way a whole lot of big names are about to converge on tier one and Togashi is cooking with gas!
You know, Chrollo being obsessed with the Heil-Ly could explain why he's done some extraordinary research on the Kakin royal family and/or found an informant to tell him this hidden info about the Succ War's mechanics. So you might be completely right and it's all connected.
@@ExtraOtter team Nobunaga consists of three og meteor city spiders, so it's telling that even they are seemingly unaware of a hidden agenda at play, and are only really hunting Hei-Ly out of circumstance. Either Chrollo's being extra greedy with his martyrdom, or the full troupe is in store for a big reveal along with the rest of us...
The Kakin's national treasure and Bandit's secret upgrade are probably the most interesting part for me in this chapter
Kurapika and Chrollo teaming up would heal my soul
Only if they have a duel to the d€∆th afterwards.
Theory: Meteor City used to be the place the Succession Wars were being held. That's how so many of its details were kept secret, how Chrollo still knows about them and the personal reason for why the Troupe are targeting the treasures.
We know Shizuku will meet her end on that boat though, in a room with contraband. Question is, who is she alone with? Hisoka? One of the princes? Casualty of their succession war? 🤔
Oh wow I didn't expect to see you here. I've been watching your ASOIAF content for years. Never thought you're keeping up with HxH too.
No we don’t. That fortune has been irrelevant since York New. No reason to believe that it’s relevant in the Succession War.
@@angrashadow2958 I could say the same of you
Awesome breakdown. Fuck it Chrollo and Kurapika team up and he forgives Chrollo after chrollo tells him the truth about the kurta incident. Then Kurapuka becomes a spider, he gets pakunodas number 9 😢😢😂
I think Nobunaga just physically made a half-baked sword, if it was Conjured he could just deactivate it or use In on it, no point making a big deal out of it being visible. About Chrollo's informant, I don't know about the treasure, but it's possible he got the knowledge of the Succession Contest through Illumi and Kalluto who are around Mizai (either Mizai explained it to them to avoid complications or Kalluto used his ability to spy on Mizai while he talked with other Zodiacs and Kakin officials), then may have connected the dots to the treasures he already knew about from other sources. But it could be anything else of course.
Maybe he's bad at conjuration (he's an enhancer after all) and it takes some minutes of concentration for him to conjure a not so good sword. If that's the case, he would not be able to conjure a functional sword on the spot.
Cannot be Illumi cause Illumi is hunting Hisoka, also. Remember the wedding ring?
@@joaoramos7160 true, but if he was able to conjure a sword, I think he would have done so before retrieving the real one with the mafia, instead of walking around the BW unarmed with a loose Hisoka on the boat. He didn't even plan for Phinks and Feitan to join him at first.
@@tibot4228 that's true
Chrollo after stealing the treasures but getting done in by Hisoka:
"I'm losing? Nah fam; *we* losing.
Here’s how we gonna do this
Roses are red
Weapons against me won’t prosper
With these sacred treasures I summon..."
Dude, we know where the treasures are and who protects them, it was leaked today. The seed Urn is in Tier 1, it's protected by Zepille, he made a fake of it in the auction arc, now he is protecting the original. The Buddha is being protected by Tonpa in a secret room of the Ministry of Justice in Tier 2, there is no doubt that it is the most difficult to obtain since the Buddha guards the exit barrier of the ship. Finally the sword is protected by Milluki in the back of the McDonald's in Tier 2. What a masterpiece Togashi is cooking 10/10.
In that case just give up on stopping the War right now
I personally think that the treasure Chrollo wants to steal is not specifically linked to a "rare ability" but rather that stealing treasure is a condition for more pages to be added to Skill Hunter, thus making Chrollo able to hold more abilities.
interesting point, it could be that you also need to steal treasures to add pages as you say but chrollo saying "I need to steal something comparable to a national treasure to store that rare and powerful ability in my book before the "usual" activation conditions" i think this is decisive evidence that the treasure needs to worthy of the power, but who knows he could have a backup plan to find many powers in case he doesn't find the rare one, I think he'd definitely tho.
@@spacesomeone If that's the case I really want to know exactly what Chrollo considers a "rare" ability. This exact same phrasing was used when the Troupe described Shizuku and Pakunoda's abilities I'm pretty sure.
@@spacesomeone I think the theory about upgrading the book is the most likely. Before fighting Hisoka he pulled the biggest bullshit in the form of the Bookmark Theme, so he needs to have a condition to get those upgrades.
Being able to upgrade the book depending on Heists is perfectly in character to him and the Troupe and also makes their behaviour such as in the Auction Heist makes more sense.
If every heist adds a page and every time he breaks his record of stealing he remove his limitations, then it adds up to the absolute powerful Hatsu that is Skill Hunter.
Also, i think this heist is a lot bigger than the previous one that theoretically got him Bookmark, so imagine how big this upgrade will be.
Dude your vids are great 👍 ❤
Maybe not Dogman and Sodom, but I can perfectly see Billy going for Halk's guards. He seems important enough to be a possible threat and fodder enough to have a cool fight with him that end up in his death
About Chrollo knowing the information about the seed urn ceremony. It might not be anyone feeding him information. It could literally be from some ability he has in his book. There are probably Nen Abilities that can divine stuff like that, and Chrollo could literally have anything in his book.
Everyone keeps talking about nobunaga’s nen type. He is an enhancer - it’s already been confirmed years ago. His personality, intuition, and fighting style further proves this
While I do think that the ability Chrollo is looking for is one we haven't see yet. Depending on what exact criteria he put into the phone and assuming he is aiming for a double KO(which i think is a sure thing). If he input say "ability that kills user and target" then out of the abilities that we know are on the boat we have three options, Which Camilla is the most likely candidate.
1: Cammy(self explanatory)
2: The Have-Nots(Least likely Chrollo probably added "kill immediately" to his criteria and wants something he can use right away and not a curse with a long windup)
3: Kurapika(Longest of long shots. He has Chain jail which kills the user if used on a non-spider and Judgement Chain which crushes the heart of the target when they break a set rule)
The Kurapika option depends on a lot we don't know like what exact criteria did Chrollo enter and does the phone and skill hunter consider all of kurapika's chains one ability or are they five individual abilities. While I don't think Kurapika is the target I just can't get the idea that Chrollo will steal and use the abilities of someone whose designed them to kill the Phantom Troupe out of my head. Chrollo did say that delving into the darkness in the hearts of others was the true joy of Skill Hunter after all.
God I love this arc every chapter in this batch is a feast.
I *believe* he's already got the double KO thing locked down, since he's not worried about Hisoka finding him. So my interpretation is he's looking for a different ability which will handle things better (allowing him to kill Hisoka without dying if he manages to steal the treasure and then get the ability before their rematch). And yes, every chapter's a banger, I'm savoring every week
Just wanted to mention: the version that I read said that stealing the sacred treasures would allow chrollo to 'evolve' his skill hunter. Maybe its cuz of all of the Jojo references in this arc (with Halkenburg's nen beast mirroring Jotaro and Hinrigh's hatsu mimicking Golden Experience), but the term 'evolution' through the use of an artifact kinda reminds me of Jojo's Golden Arrow, where getting pierced by it after unlocking a stand would evolve the stand to a 'requiem' form where it obtains an absolutely broken ability that is perfectly complemental to what your greatest desire is at that moment.
Koichi's the GOAT because his Stand evolved by character growth alone. But I agree! Chrollo's boiling himself down into a purer and purer version of himself and the result is a more perfect ability.
I think the reason Chrollo knows so much is because of his skill hunter book. I bet his book sets a random target item for him to steal so he can upgrade the books power to the next level. By setting it at random it makes his nen ability more powerful like kites crazy slots ability. If that target item is all three of those Kakin treasures then it makes sense he knows what they do and how dangerous they are. And also how much power he'll get by stealing them
the crescendo building up its INSANE
dogman might sniff chrollo's specialist ability out but not realize how strong he is until hes close
YO MOM, HE DROPPED AGAIN
thank you
When everyone talks about chrollo looking for an ability to kill hisoka, while also sacrificing himself it always makes me think of the have-nots death curse which no one seems to mention as a possibility.
Hulkinberg bodyguards as easy +10 lvl kills to Heil-Ly members,is a great theory, the first time I hear of it!!
Given that Chrollo already has so many abilities in Skill Hunter, maybe his missing ability is one that can be used to "power up" other abilities.
It'd be so great if Chrollo just strolls into 1014 not for Kurapika but for Bill. The guy's been slept on so hard up til now
love bill
I can see Kourapika joining the Troupe or even replacing Chrollo. First time I hear someone mention something along those lines.
Grear video as always, I highly enjoy your analyses.
How do you envision this scenario happening? Some revelation about the Kurta Massacre that changes everything? Because I'm pretty sure Kurapika still hates the spiders and would not hesitate to kill them.
Smart analysis dude!
The possible options he’s looking for with the nen user
-someone who teleports (heily nerds)
- someone who can mass stun (melody)
- counter active on death (Camilla)
- suicide pact type (have nots)
The one missing piece of the puzzle Chrollo's been searching for all these years? The ability to summon a bunch of snakes and a cool doll. Now he's hunting for the same person Kurapika is, they're a team, woo!
@@ExtraOtter the doll is (23 of 50) very rare worth enough to upgrade skill hunter
What about Hanzo's doppelganger ability
I think that the Hei-Ly have a member that can teleport non nen users, so they dont need to necessarly lure them to interviews, they can teleport people to the processing unit in a lot of ways.
Also, if Morena is manipulating Kaizer, then their hideout is probably in the justice bureau or theres a hidden entrance there. The button Kaizer told the other character to press might be an alarm to the Hei-Ly or a way to destroy evidence of the mafia.
Also, if Kaizer helped Hisoka enter tier 1, he could probably be Morena's trump card against the troupe
Videos are great as always!
Great video
Can't wait for my job interview in waste managment next week. :)
Extra Otter and SuccWarCentral are my favourite Channel for HxH chapter analysis every week since it started being published again. Great to see such amazing channels appearing out of nowhere. You do amazing work and I absolutely love it. In my opinion you are doing an even better job than NewWorldReview as of recently. Always looking forward to your videos.
I quite like The Hunter Association Podcast also.
Been hoping Otter comes on as a guest lol
I completely agree with you on the cat theory and how simple it is to dispose of hisokas body.
I really like the theory of kurapika teaming up with the spider troupe.
Their fates are Entertwind.
the 4th prince. Is the reason for both of their vengeful cause.
Would be really cool if kurapika learned about sarssa and their past.
+ Ending the war/stealing the treasure
Thanks to your tip about job opening I actually got hired by waste management facility on the black whale ! Though it was pretty weird of them to ask me to bring as many people with me in need of jobs.
Also about Chrollo knowing about sacred treasure, could it be he learned it from a book since Machi states that he is fond of books.
The info's just in a book but it's still completely hidden from public knowledge because nobody reads books? Wow, HxH might be a little too realistic now
@@ExtraOtter a rare/hidden book he probably stole ? I mean even the things about dark continent were written in a book so secrets about kakin may not be too far fetched right ?
@@mr.freedom4625 It would be hilarious if there's another case of "everyone thinks the book is fiction but it tells the real story." If so, I think it's a Hunger Games-style YA novel about young Nasubi surviving his War back in the day
@@ExtraOtter "If you want to know the details, read books." -- Peggy the GOAT
Chrollo would steal Basho's haku nen power and talk dawn Hisoka to death in manor of Nastrado's girl poems predictions. Chrollo already have an expirience, and spiders knew a lot about all Nostrado gards back then
This would be some good revenge for the time Hisoka fooled him with a fake poem. (Hisoka still doesn't get enough credit for writing that poem so fast, that's not easy to do)
These chapters r so peak. Keep going man
Your videos along with the chapter is something I look forward too. Keep up the great work
Chrollo and Kurapika or Kurapika and TerrorSandwicht, for sure we will get one of this duos
Thank you for the reminder for contagion rules. Halkenburg's guards looking like an xp farm.
On a side note, I can't be the only one looking for Dogman and Sodom Easter egg in the panels with crowds (wheres Waldo type thing).
I also think it is possible chrollo wants to evolve skill hunter to be able to transcend its current conditions and be able to steal abilities of dead people so that he could steal hisokas ability after killing him preventing him from reviving
stealing abilities of dead people would be sick
Chrollo will become the first HxH God once he succeeds
netero am i a joke to you
keep up the great work, im always looking forward to the next video
Regarding Chrollo's knowledge of the succession war, I think because Chrollo is an avid reader he's probably read up on the history of Kakin and it's royal family and managed to put two and two together regarding the princes + whatever secretive online information that Shalnark could have looked up for him.
ive been waitinggggg
Great summary
I do like the idea that the York New heist is what gave him the powers of the book mark he uses against Hisoka even though he did lose his nen as the heist went successfully.
I do wonder how Chrollo knows so much about the 3 treasures because he says it like it was a rumour/common information but we barely know anyone who mentions the sword?
I feel we're close to hitting an "assault on the palace" chapter real soon. Togashi's going to have to stop time to show everything that's happening everywhere at the same time.
I figured he actually crafted that sword, definitely using Nen but I don’t think it was entirely conjuration (maybe a little bit where he can transform materials into a completed product or a shoddy sword into a better one). My main thought was it would be him using his own hands to shape a sword from raw materials, like Luffy making his baseball bat in One Piece chapter 1111.
I think that Chrollo is trying to level up bandit’s secret with post mortem nen so that he regain access to dead people’s abilities. Specifically dead troupe members like Shalnark and Kortopi.
It would make sense to sacrifice a post mortem nen item like the seed urn to gain post mortem nen properties for stolen abilities. We know that the original user of Sun and Moon is dead and the ability remains in his book, so maybe he could sacrifice those items to regain access to gallery fake and black voice. When he’s talking about clearing the usual restrictions it could mean clearing the restrictions to use the bookmark so he can use a post mortem gallery fake. Post mortem black voice would also be much stronger since he can keep an antenna on him at all times.
Plus, it would make a lot of sense character wise to try and preserve the abilities of his friends, and it would mean he could use the same strategy to beat Hisoka.
The problem is Chrollo would need to rely on the same strategy twice, and as we know it didn’t work the first time. It’s difficult to see how post Mortem Nen would make a significant difference, unless he was going for a completely different strategy
@@chrolloxchrollo3451 Well There is the surprise factor of course. But it could mean that clones created by gallery fake would be permanent once he switched to a new ability, rather than only becoming permanent when marked with sun and moon. Since gallery fake requires two hands this wouldn't change much, only increasing the speed at which chrollo could create clones since he didn't need to make them with sun and moon.
Black voice on the other hand would be incredibly powerful if it had post mortem nen properties. If chrollo could use a black voice antenna on a target, give an order, then close his book with black voice still remaining, then it would mean chrollo could use the 2nd antenna with potentially two other abilities active. Lets say he had order stamp activated to command an army of clones, and he used the left hand of convert hands to disguise himself as a clone. He could attack with the army and hit hisoka with the antenna when he least expects it, and the antenna is an instant kill.
@@lara6489 that black voice idea sounds extremely absurd and right up Chrollo’s alley. That would also explain how the “spider would go on”, comment would include its deceased members as well!
Great video, as always! Some questions:
1. I hypothesize that Chrollo needs to steal a national treasure not to evolve his Book literally (as in: develop a second bookmark), but rather: that's his new condition for stealing abilities. A hint was given in ch351 - Chrollo mentions that because of the Bookmark, he has now "more annoying conditions to deal with" (is it really plural? because I know it's not so easy in Japanese). So, if he plans to steal a powerful nen ability, he has to steal something of comparable material(?) value before going to fulfill his 1-hour conditions. That's only my theory though. I think if it was to evolve the Book, it would have been a strange condition to exist that we didn't know about prior.
2. I think the line about using Disgusting Telephone at Heaven's Arena is not random. Maybe there was really something off during the fight? Something that Hisoka figured after his revival?
I also have one more about Chrollo's plan with treasures/Hisoka, because something seems off to me, but I have to sort it in my mind first
1. I have the "evolve" terminology from VoraciousDrake's translation, but I'm not sure any of us knows exactly what Chrollo's talking about, so yeah, don't put too much weight on it. But maybe he came up with this whole "evolving" gimmick as part of the change that led to the bookmark and it wasn't around before? Hard to say.
2. Yeah, he was looking for an ability of some sort before knowing Hisoka was gonna be a recurring problem. So maybe he really was looking for something that'd help him steal the Kakin treasures? Also hard to say as yet. (But I don't think the Disgusting Telephone was involved in the fight - it has no use there at all, Chrollo knew exactly where his opponent was the entire time.)
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Since Chrollo called while at the arena, it would naturally not be an ability he had at that exact moment. So no reason to find someone with a manipulation ability, or cloning ability.
Depending on when he lost the future reading ability it might be related.
I definitely believe it wouldn't be anything that does the killing, cause he had what he needed there at the arena. 😅
For some reason the story is being written as if Chrollo is the protagonist and hisoka the antagonist
It seems like once the head of spiders is dead, something happens. I'm thinking this would be an introduction to a group nen ability ? sort of like Halkenberg's but assigned to the group that is that phantom troupe.
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Lmao what's wild is irl a man who worked in waste disposal tried to get me to go to school for it once and said almost the exact same thing you did glad I didn't go😂
Close call tbh
@@ExtraOtter 😂😂
The best defense is offense. If Chrollo gets the cat ability he can guarantee a win against Hisoka and then the troupe are safe
I don't even think this is true. If Chrollo's got the book open to the cat (even via bookmark), that's one ability slot he's not using to fight for real. At such a disadvantage, Hisoka doesn't need to rush to deal a fatal blow - he could toy with him a little and, more importantly, bind him up so the book is closed just to be extra safe. Whoops, no cat anymore, you're dead! It's a lousy plan unless Hisoka is way too trigger happy, and that's not a Hisoka problem at all: he's always stalling out fights.
@@ExtraOtter yeah true point. With Hisokas IQ he might realize that Chrollo wants him to kill him and find a way around it
Your voice sounds a lot like the guy who did the history of philosophy without any gaps podcast.
Tajao *might* not know everything, but I’m not buying the “omg you guys are soooo evil” act from a mafia underboss, and especially not a Kakin mafia underboss. I think his shock IS due to how quickly the Spiders are deconstructing the Heil-Ly, but not because he didn’t know the HLs plan, and instead because of how much he and his mafia associates had underestimated the Spiders. It wouldn’t be the first tome the mafia underestimated them in this series; in fact, it almost feels like a hallmark at this point. For instance, Hinrigh might be respectful of them, but he clearly thinks that he and Zakkuro are enough to take one of them out.
As for the mafia, I think its becoming more clear that they are aware of the Heil-Lys plans and probably have no plans to stop it. They keep spouting off about keeping balance, so I think that in order to avoid an all-out war between factions, they don’t actually want to take out the Heil-Ly, but instead make sure that they’re strong enough to keep balance and even out the other two mafia groups. Having the HL cause chaos has the effect of covering up their true intentions of gaining power quickly, but also a secondary effect of bringing about the implementation of martial law. Martial Law benefits the mafia since they are the de facto rulers of the lower tiers, and all but guarantees their control. Thats just my theory about why they are being so coy about all of this and not addressing it head on.
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It would be funny if dogman sniffed chrollo and chrollo called up dogman
I don't think the queens would necessarily know about it either, if anything... this is a kakin secret. If they knew all this information they would use it to benefit their prince. Only ones I think should know about this would be King Nasubi himself, few close people who work for him and Beyond.
True. Duazul's pretty much a shot in the dark... but Nasubi has no incentive at all to give away secrets about the treasures cuz it's opening the door for Chrollo to interrupt the whole Succ War. Maybe Beyond? But he also probably wants the Succ War to finish so his child can win. A queen is my best guess for someone who could conceivably know and also want to thwart everything.
@@ExtraOtter Yea, that's a fair point.
maybe chrollo was using the phone to find someone who has any information on the ability or its owner and that's why he really expected to find a person who fits the criteria at heavens arena or in a big crowd
about the ability nanika's power came to my mind ik it makes absolutely no sense but since it's so "rare and powerful" i think it might be something crazy like that lol
I want more info on this "Disgusting Telephone" ability, if it really allows him to find people with specific abilities then that's an insane combo with his Skill Hunter book
I want to know how he got it! Did DT's original user input some criteria that led her to Chrollo as a love-match? If so, she has to be the unluckiest character in the series, that's a really bad first date
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Okay, I changed my mind. I think he *IS* actually looking for someone specific, and it is *not necessarily* the person he wants to steal an ability from.
My main reason for thinking this is the description of the ability: "It helps you to find your *ideal partner*", and you can input a criteria to search for them. It was the ability of some girl named Narumi. My Hypothesis is that the searching criteria is something fixed by the ability, like something you get on a dating app. Maybe body size, height, eye color, age, etc. I really doubt this Narumi girl had a fixed criteria for nen type or type of nen ability.
So, Chrollo uses this ability thought for finding dates to find people he knows information about, mainly their appearance, but doesn't know where they are. But WHO is he looking for??
What do we know about this person?
- Chrollo thought they could be on Tier 3 or below, so nobody from royal family.
- It's someone who is on Tier 2 or above.
- It's a nen user.
- Chrollo thought he could find them on Heaven's Arena.
Who are they? I think the answer is the most obvious and boring one: *Hisoka*. I think he is just looking for him lol, but why make it a mystery then?, just to troll your audience?! Most likely yes, but maybe Togashi didn't reveal who is Chrollo looking for because it is a surprise (?), although I highly doubt it 😑. There's literally no one in the ship that fits with all the criteria I listed above except for Hisoka. Maybe Wing? That would be very funny 🤣. To reveal that Wing is in the ship. But why the HELL would Chrollo be looking for him lol
As I mentioned, though, looking for one specific person makes it meaningless to "loosen" the criteria. Either that person is found or they're not: all the info is conveyed by the first search and there's no universe where "loosening" the search will have a purpose. So because Chrollo considers loosening the criteria, he can't have been looking for one specific intended person.
Could Chrollo be gunning for one of the mafia bosses? They very well may know of the the Kakin Holy Treasures, and could very well also be Nen Users whose ability(s) he'd like to commandeer, and they're on Tier 1. It would also be a very interesting wrinkle to add since the Troupe is very close to having all of their bridges with the Mafias be burnt.
i think taking the nen beast urn will not end the war, but taking the Nen Beats urn stops more succession wars for a long time
Unfortunely i fear togashi might have just forgot about the sword confiscation but it would be neat if he didn't.
I mean i was waiting for your analysis more than anyone else who gives their analysis.. I dont like watching people doing analysis in a half baked manner making a lot of mistakes especially the one who said sarasa = morena and saying its 100% guaranteed.. I want people like you who share the same dedication and passion for HxH and i would like more of your videos...