mad respect for Michael in standing his ground as many of us should do in a long term job. Lex was the core of the show along with Clark, if he didnt work then the show wouldnt have worked at all.
Telling RoSie they “loved him” but offering him low pay… that’s the very definition of GASLIGHTING. ✊I’m glad he stood up for himself even though we lost an AWESOME Lex Luthor 💕
Aside from the animated version (Clancy Brown)... I could see folks thinking he is the definitive LL... especially seeing as how an entire generation of adults (now) were raised on him for a decade. "Deathstroke is really more of a bishop" - Lex Luthor (being accused of using one of his pawns in a double cross) Lex is the best super villain
@@poppy87 Runs really fast. Wears a red costume with a lightening bolt emblem. Member of the Justice League, which is the DC version of The Avengers. The Justice Society was the first big super hero group, Justice League were the successors (Batman, Wonder Woman etc). Most famous iteration is Barry Allen. Rosenbaum plays The Flash in the Kevin Conroy (Batman) era.
I was referencing the body switch episode where he basically voices Lex Luther when he switched bodies with the Flash. He took off his mask to find out the Flash's identity but he had no idea who Barry Allen is when he saw himself in the mirror. It's pretty funny
He really is the best live action Lex Luthor! Any time I have seen the character reprised, I always have him as the archetype to measure subsequent performances, and as of yet, he tops them all! Part of it is his voice. He commands it well, just like I imagine the character to do as well. Bravo!
His Lex Luthor made that show - when he left, it was pretty rubbish. The dynamic betweent the three leads was what made it. And his was the best and most realistic and sympathetic 'villain' ever. He wasnt even a villain fully for most of it. Great casting and character. 👍 Plus, to just offer the same?! Thats insulting and a cheap way to get out of firing him - oof. Real dirty treatment. Their loss. Literally.
@@pisto30 No it isn’t. Luthor was just a mad scientist, like many other cimics and radio serials used, at the time. I think it was in Superboy comics, that the friendship angle was added to the origin story. On Smallville, Lex is his friend, who Flores shady things, for quite awhile. Clark has other issues, and my least favorite time of the show, was Lex and Lana’s relationship. It just made no sense in Superman lore, but they had to have soap opera tropes, because it was a 43 minute show, on primetime cable. I think they were fools, for not giving Micheal more money, and begging him to stay, or at least return after he did his movie, and some other stuff, to actually be the Luthor, that is the main villain of Superman. Oddly, Lex hasn’t really been used that way for a long time now, and since the show ended, he has been written to be more relatable or less of a sociopath.
Lex was deintely not a Villain in the first few seasons. I stolpped watching Smallvile when the Fathjer- What's his name of the Dukes of Hazard was written off the Show. The Dukes of Hazards was a stupid, silly Joke. But what's his name did a great job playing Johnathan Kent.
That happened to me a few years back too. Sitting down with a friend bemoaning the churls he's hired, and he says, "You're the best at troubleshooting and nail the solution every time." I said, "How about a job then?" "Neh." Feel for him on that one.
@@MysterySemicolon Then why bring up " You're the best at troubleshooting and nail the solution everytime." That statement is not necessary. He complains about who he hires which is a reflection of his own incompetence and then proceeds to acknowledge someone with mentality required but dismisses them. And continues to hire incompetents. Your friend is backhanded. But hey ain't my life.
I really liked Smallville and watched it a few times from beginning to end. I would have got rid of a lot of the teen soap opera elements of it, but thought it was great nevertheless! I would love to see the cast make a Superman TV series, but I will guess that will never happen. As far as Longmire goes, that was one of my wife and I's favorite show and we were both very disappointed when it ended. I would LOVE to see that return!
He said the whole team is different at CW but they did the same thing to Superman and Lois cast on a larger scale. Although the rating may not have been what smallville was at the time.
I think he's probably the only interesting Lex Luthor full stop. All other have been fairly poor representations. Hackman is an outstanding actor but he doesnt really have anytime to shine in those films at all.
Oh he’s the best, by far and the most well written Luthor we’ve ever gotten. Hackman, a historic great actor, would have been a great too if only his character was written better…to much slapstick, to much comedy.
Top tier for sure. I did enjoy the lex luthor from teen titans. Even tho the script for that show was complete ass. All the actors nailed it. I like the lex on superman and lois too. Way more darker than normal
The reason he is the best Lex ever is because you get to see the transformation. He doesn't start off as the Lex we know. Michael takes us on the journey of him becoming the Lex we know from the movies and comics. And that is hard to do.
Smallville was still a fantastic show but it definitely wasn't the same without Michael Rosenbaum, I have never been a fan of Lex Luthor but his portrayal of the iconic Superman villain is the benchmark for the character. All due respect to the actors who have played him but none of them can hold a candle to Rosenbaum, he truly was the villain of the story.
Gene is a great Lex and captures the ego perfectly. But Michael is my favorite Lex. He nails the darker essence of Lex with just enough light at times early in the series to make you love him. While I enjoy him doing the classic Byrne business man Lex at times I wanted the genius Lex to do more tech rather than out source it. Too bad they did go back with a counter saying he would do 6 episode for the price of a year salary on the show in the final season so we got a full Return of Lex
Don't mean to take away anything from Michael on this one, but Clancy Brown is the best Lex Luthor period. Doesn't matter if it was just voice acting. He's a better actor and I have no doubt that if Clancy were to play live action Luthor he would nail it to the stratosphere.
Superman is my favorite comic book super hero so with that in mind, Michael Rosenbaum was truly the best Lex Luther ever. I like Gene Hackman but he was more of a slapstick comedy character.
I don't know if he's the best lex luthor, because despite the same character has been played by several actors, all the takes have been different from each other. But, is he the favorite lex luthor of many many fans? Yes, he is. I know he's MY favorite lex luthor
They need recognizable big names for marque characters like Lex. But Gunn should have cast Rosenbaum as Lex. Knowing gunn Rosenbaum will probably show up in some capacity however.
The way the Smallville cast now seems very fond of the show, it would be incredible to have them return in a film version of Crisis. I like the CW version, but I think a film version could do the event justice (pun intended) as long as everyone behind it and the actors actually care about the story and are enthused to be a part of it.
Why not have Michael play Lex's older brother or Uncle something like that? I think it'd be cool just see what his interactions would be like with Hoult.
1- I am pretty sure Lex doesn't have an older brother, so fans would not appreciate this new twist. 2- I don't think Lex has an uncle either. 3- Regardless, it would be a completely different character, people like/love him as Lex, not sure people would care to see him play a random character.
@@gost3480 It wouldn't be a random character. I'd like him to be someone who sees through Lex's BS because he has the same narcissistic qualities and knows all the angles because he's done it before. But obviously not quite at the same level or degree as Lex. Someone with a lot more experience that Lex who needles him about all his mistakes and faults.
@@kfw9257 The focus needs to be on Clark/Superman. You also need to flesh out Lois and of course Lex or whomever the back guy is. You also need to introduce Clark's parents, Jimmy and Perry as well. This is what most fans want in a movie about Superman. Everyone would be up in arm if they decide to put the spotlight on a new character. That said, your idea would be great if they were to make a Lex movie, with no Superman in it (or he would only show up near the end). In such movie you would get to see his backstory which is rarely mentioned, and you could had new characters, people who shaped him, such as the one you described. ... I would actually be more interest in a Lex movie than a Superman movie, now that I think about it lol
One of the worst crimes when Gunn took over WB’s DC universe is not bringing him back as Lex. I understand there would probably confusion and some sort of issues, but inside him back as Lex for another go…
I loved him as Lex, I just wish he would come across with even an ounce of humility. I wouldn't say he's arrogant, because he seems to genuinely respect his co-stars, but he just seems to lack any sense of self-improvement.
That was during the time networks still had power. When he quit would have been right around the time streaming started but the power still had not shifted. The way an actor got more money back then was to push someone else off the show. They didn't increase the total salary budget of the actors. They just fired a guy and spread hist salary among the people they want to keep. That's why some actors left instead of fight for more money, if they had more opportunities.
No Rosenbaum was the lex to welling’s clark it’d be weird to see him be the lex to someone else’s Superman. Also give new people a shot to be lex luthor or superman
Is it that crazy/insulting that they might have offered him the same money? Smallville's rating dropped over time and presumably their advertising revenue / budget as well? Maybe it's all they could afford?
that would be fine if they didn't do the whole wine and dine thing making it clear they wanted him to stay a lot. is that "gaslighting"? i hear this term a lot but not 100% sure what it means. i think that might be it though. if they just routinely offered him the same and didn't make a big fuss about him saying no and leaving then fair enough. when people negotiating can't come to an agreement that's ok, we walk away. but making it seem like the offer would be increased with the schmoozing and then not doing it is insulting.
That’s not how it works/worked. Most long running shows have declining ratings, but the regular actors make more money in the later seasons. That’s because the show is a known quantity and there are existing deals with other companies that license the show and advertisers. So the later seasons are a safe investment, that’s why they are made. It’s less expensive / more profitable for a network to invest in an existing show that still has decent ratings than to invest in new shows, because many new shows will have disappointing ratings. Today, it’s a bit different because streaming companies want new shows to get more subscribers, so we get shows with less seasons and less episodes per season.
@@user-sb4ll3ef5s is that the same with all shows tho? For instance, walking dead actors took a pay cut. Probably also actors on struggling shows like Gothams last season
@ Walking Dead is interesting because the show has a massive cast and in fact, Lincoln and Gurira left by their own choice. This put pressure on the producers and they had to pay Reedus and McBride more. Reedus allegedly made 20 to 30 million per season for the last three seasons. He made something like 100.000 for the first season… So some of the remaing cast main members actually got a massive pay increase. So what happened? Because of the nature of the show, some actors got squeezed and were paid very little, their character could be written off easily, but other actors started to make a massive amount of money in the later seasons.
mad respect for Michael in standing his ground as many of us should do in a long term job. Lex was the core of the show along with Clark, if he didnt work then the show wouldnt have worked at all.
Him and John Glover were soo good on that show
He and John Glover.
Annette O'Toole was amazing as well
Telling RoSie they “loved him” but offering him low pay… that’s the very definition of GASLIGHTING. ✊I’m glad he stood up for himself even though we lost an AWESOME Lex Luthor 💕
Aside from the animated version (Clancy Brown)... I could see folks thinking he is the definitive LL... especially seeing as how an entire generation of adults (now) were raised on him for a decade.
"Deathstroke is really more of a bishop" - Lex Luthor (being accused of using one of his pawns in a double cross)
Lex is the best super villain
Best Lex Luthor! I usually do a re-watch of Smallville every couple of years.🖖
best of all of them easily, even James Gunn agrees.
Great actor....GREAT ACTOR....and best Lex. He made Smallville.
Michael should be acting more!!!!
I'll always remember Mr. Rosenbaum as The Flash myself ^^
I have no idea who this is!
@@poppy87he voiced the flash in justice league and justice league unlimited.
@@poppy87 Runs really fast. Wears a red costume with a lightening bolt emblem. Member of the Justice League, which is the DC version of The Avengers. The Justice Society was the first big super hero group, Justice League were the successors (Batman, Wonder Woman etc). Most famous iteration is Barry Allen.
Rosenbaum plays The Flash in the Kevin Conroy (Batman) era.
I was referencing the body switch episode where he basically voices Lex Luther when he switched bodies with the Flash. He took off his mask to find out the Flash's identity but he had no idea who Barry Allen is when he saw himself in the mirror. It's pretty funny
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Loved the JLU episode where he played the flash who switched minds with lex luthor 😂 fun meta episode of the DCAU
He really is the best live action Lex Luthor! Any time I have seen the character reprised, I always have him as the archetype to measure subsequent performances, and as of yet, he tops them all! Part of it is his voice. He commands it well, just like I imagine the character to do as well. Bravo!
His Lex Luthor made that show - when he left, it was pretty rubbish. The dynamic betweent the three leads was what made it. And his was the best and most realistic and sympathetic 'villain' ever. He wasnt even a villain fully for most of it. Great casting and character. 👍
Plus, to just offer the same?! Thats insulting and a cheap way to get out of firing him - oof. Real dirty treatment. Their loss. Literally.
Facts. And Lex Luthor vs Superman is the whole basis of the Superman character. After the Luthors left it was just superhero fanfic IMO
Smallville went on too long and became Metropolis -- but tragically, without Lex.
@@pisto30
No it isn’t.
Luthor was just a mad scientist, like many other cimics and radio serials used, at the time.
I think it was in Superboy comics, that the friendship angle was added to the origin story.
On Smallville, Lex is his friend, who Flores shady things, for quite awhile.
Clark has other issues, and my least favorite time of the show, was Lex and Lana’s relationship.
It just made no sense in Superman lore, but they had to have soap opera tropes, because it was a 43 minute show, on primetime cable.
I think they were fools, for not giving Micheal more money, and begging him to stay, or at least return after he did his movie, and some other stuff, to actually be the Luthor, that is the main villain of Superman.
Oddly, Lex hasn’t really been used that way for a long time now, and since the show ended, he has been written to be more relatable or less of a sociopath.
Lex was deintely not a Villain in the first few seasons. I stolpped watching Smallvile when the Fathjer- What's his name of the Dukes of Hazard was written off the Show. The Dukes of Hazards was a stupid, silly Joke. But what's his name did a great job playing Johnathan Kent.
Michael set a new bar for Lex, and the entire cast was awesome 👍
Well, maybe not ALL of the cast were awesome. ( Alison Mack is a scumbag)
If you are in a place you do not feel valued, move along. Find happiness elsewhere.
Longmire was a highly underrated show....
I LOVED Longmire!
Loved that show!!
That happened to me a few years back too. Sitting down with a friend bemoaning the churls he's hired, and he says, "You're the best at troubleshooting and nail the solution every time."
I said, "How about a job then?"
"Neh."
Feel for him on that one.
That's not your friend brodee....
@@Lifeandlight314 Or he wanted to remain friends by not creating an employer/employee relationship between us.
@@MysterySemicolon Then why bring up " You're the best at troubleshooting and nail the solution everytime." That statement is not necessary. He complains about who he hires which is a reflection of his own incompetence and then proceeds to acknowledge someone with mentality required but dismisses them. And continues to hire incompetents. Your friend is backhanded. But hey ain't my life.
I really liked Smallville and watched it a few times from beginning to end. I would have got rid of a lot of the teen soap opera elements of it, but thought it was great nevertheless! I would love to see the cast make a Superman TV series, but I will guess that will never happen. As far as Longmire goes, that was one of my wife and I's favorite show and we were both very disappointed when it ended. I would LOVE to see that return!
He said the whole team is different at CW but they did the same thing to Superman and Lois cast on a larger scale. Although the rating may not have been what smallville was at the time.
Absolutely madness. Lex was one of my favorite parts of that show.
I rewatch the clips every now and then which makes me want to rewatch the whole series.
Grew up watching Smallville. Loved this show..sucks they didn't pay Lex!
Hands down the best Lex Luthor portrayed on the small or big screen. He brought a complexity and struggle beyond just being a villain.
I think he's probably the only interesting Lex Luthor full stop. All other have been fairly poor representations. Hackman is an outstanding actor but he doesnt really have anytime to shine in those films at all.
The bar for live action Lex sadly is very low
Oh he’s the best, by far and the most well written Luthor we’ve ever gotten. Hackman, a historic great actor, would have been a great too if only his character was written better…to much slapstick, to much comedy.
@@nelsonc6173 He's the best Lex, but not the best written Luthor. Lionel Luthor on Smallville is the best written Luthor hands down.
Top tier for sure. I did enjoy the lex luthor from teen titans. Even tho the script for that show was complete ass. All the actors nailed it. I like the lex on superman and lois too. Way more darker than normal
Tread lightly regarding Hackman...he was the greatest criminal mind of the twentieth century.
The reason he is the best Lex ever is because you get to see the transformation. He doesn't start off as the Lex we know. Michael takes us on the journey of him becoming the Lex we know from the movies and comics. And that is hard to do.
Smallville was still a fantastic show but it definitely wasn't the same without Michael Rosenbaum, I have never been a fan of Lex Luthor but his portrayal of the iconic Superman villain is the benchmark for the character. All due respect to the actors who have played him but none of them can hold a candle to Rosenbaum, he truly was the villain of the story.
Grest interview. Love your show - and his!
Michael is an amazing actor and was incredible as Lex. 🎉
Gene is a great Lex and captures the ego perfectly. But Michael is my favorite Lex. He nails the darker essence of Lex with just enough light at times early in the series to make you love him. While I enjoy him doing the classic Byrne business man Lex at times I wanted the genius Lex to do more tech rather than out source it.
Too bad they did go back with a counter saying he would do 6 episode for the price of a year salary on the show in the final season so we got a full Return of Lex
Sorry but hands down my favourite lex
Honestly the best Lex Luthor.
Rosenbaum WAS the show
He's the best Lex and Flash IMO.
Yes the best Lex by far and the show went down hill after season 7
Outside of clansy brown he is lex luthor
Don't mean to take away anything from Michael on this one, but Clancy Brown is the best Lex Luthor period. Doesn't matter if it was just voice acting. He's a better actor and I have no doubt that if Clancy were to play live action Luthor he would nail it to the stratosphere.
I'm w/you Katee...Longmire was cut off at the knees...
Superman is my favorite comic book super hero so with that in mind, Michael Rosenbaum was truly the best Lex Luther ever. I like Gene Hackman but he was more of a slapstick comedy character.
I don't know if he's the best lex luthor, because despite the same character has been played by several actors, all the takes have been different from each other. But, is he the favorite lex luthor of many many fans? Yes, he is. I know he's MY favorite lex luthor
Michael was excellent as Lex. The whole cast was phenomenal but it was a shame they didn't do more to retain him for the rest of the series.
Tom did a great job but I watch smallville for his portrayal as lex
Thatcher lexmas episode was bad ass
His best role was poolhall junkies.
Gunn should used Micheal for Lex.. He portrayed him perfectly in Smallville
Liked you as Lex but nothing beats your Wally West
Just like Kevin Conroy is Batman and Mark Hamil the joker
You’ll always be the flash
They need recognizable big names for marque characters like Lex. But Gunn should have cast Rosenbaum as Lex. Knowing gunn Rosenbaum will probably show up in some capacity however.
He was the best part of Smallville imo.
Never realized how much Rosenbaum sounds like James Spader
"Dubba Dubba" 😆
He should be the new Luthor in the NEW DC. He’s the perfect age now! Michael is a great actor! He deserves to be in the NEW DC!
The way the Smallville cast now seems very fond of the show, it would be incredible to have them return in a film version of Crisis. I like the CW version, but I think a film version could do the event justice (pun intended) as long as everyone behind it and the actors actually care about the story and are enthused to be a part of it.
It would be difficult to dislike either of these two. Lex and Starbuck would make a good show too. :)
Idk it hard to believe him sometimes because he can be even more full of it
This has all been confirmed.
Some people in the comments probably never watched talkville.
Sometimes it feels like he holds himself a higher importance than he actually is
Why not have Michael play Lex's older brother or Uncle something like that? I think it'd be cool just see what his interactions would be like with Hoult.
1- I am pretty sure Lex doesn't have an older brother, so fans would not appreciate this new twist.
2- I don't think Lex has an uncle either.
3- Regardless, it would be a completely different character, people like/love him as Lex, not sure people would care to see him play a random character.
@@gost3480 It wouldn't be a random character. I'd like him to be someone who sees through Lex's BS because he has the same narcissistic qualities and knows all the angles because he's done it before. But obviously not quite at the same level or degree as Lex. Someone with a lot more experience that Lex who needles him about all his mistakes and faults.
@@kfw9257 The focus needs to be on Clark/Superman. You also need to flesh out Lois and of course Lex or whomever the back guy is. You also need to introduce Clark's parents, Jimmy and Perry as well. This is what most fans want in a movie about Superman. Everyone would be up in arm if they decide to put the spotlight on a new character.
That said, your idea would be great if they were to make a Lex movie, with no Superman in it (or he would only show up near the end). In such movie you would get to see his backstory which is rarely mentioned, and you could had new characters, people who shaped him, such as the one you described.
... I would actually be more interest in a Lex movie than a Superman movie, now that I think about it lol
One of the worst crimes when Gunn took over WB’s DC universe is not bringing him back as Lex.
I understand there would probably confusion and some sort of issues, but inside him back as Lex for another go…
It wasn’t a crime. Let someone else have a chance at the role. I’ll bet Nicolas Hoult will be fantastic.
Rosenbaum was great…in Smallville. His chemistry with the cast was fantastic. That may not translate to THIS Superman.
They’re really good friends. He doesn’t fit the character that Gunn has written. It’s a different take. It would just be weird.
WB frog would like a word with you about who they worked the hardest
Lex luthor meets Amunet black lol
I loved him as Lex, I just wish he would come across with even an ounce of humility. I wouldn't say he's arrogant, because he seems to genuinely respect his co-stars, but he just seems to lack any sense of self-improvement.
Michael is my favorite Lex but he's also my favorite version of the Flash. Doesn't get mentioned enough imho.
BEST LEX. GET HIM BACK.
Longmire was much better the Yellowstone
It sounds like Michael needed a new agent. Negotiate on the same offer.
That was during the time networks still had power. When he quit would have been right around the time streaming started but the power still had not shifted. The way an actor got more money back then was to push someone else off the show. They didn't increase the total salary budget of the actors. They just fired a guy and spread hist salary among the people they want to keep. That's why some actors left instead of fight for more money, if they had more opportunities.
Good actor, great Lex Luthor, but if I knew him in real life, he’d probably drive me nuts 😂
You don't get what you "deserve," you get what you negotiate.
We see why they offered the same…. He told them to make an offer but that he probably wouldn’t do this….
Gunn messed up. I would see the new Superman 100% if Michael was playing Lex. As it is, I probably won’t see it. Cavill is my Superman
Agreed! 3000
No Rosenbaum was the lex to welling’s clark it’d be weird to see him be the lex to someone else’s Superman.
Also give new people a shot to be lex luthor or superman
"7 years is a really long time to play the same role.", meanwhile Kelsey Grammar is over there in the corner laughing his ass off.
The difference is, Kelsey was on a network show in the 90's that was probably in the top 10 ratings. Way different salaries.
Is it that crazy/insulting that they might have offered him the same money? Smallville's rating dropped over time and presumably their advertising revenue / budget as well? Maybe it's all they could afford?
I mean, to express the sentiment that they wanted him back so badly and then to offer the same deal-I think that is what soured it
that would be fine if they didn't do the whole wine and dine thing making it clear they wanted him to stay a lot. is that "gaslighting"? i hear this term a lot but not 100% sure what it means. i think that might be it though. if they just routinely offered him the same and didn't make a big fuss about him saying no and leaving then fair enough. when people negotiating can't come to an agreement that's ok, we walk away. but making it seem like the offer would be increased with the schmoozing and then not doing it is insulting.
That’s not how it works/worked. Most long running shows have declining ratings, but the regular actors make more money in the later seasons.
That’s because the show is a known quantity and there are existing deals with other companies that license the show and advertisers. So the later seasons are a safe investment, that’s why they are made.
It’s less expensive / more profitable for a network to invest in an existing show that still has decent ratings than to invest in new shows, because many new shows will have disappointing ratings.
Today, it’s a bit different because streaming companies want new shows to get more subscribers, so we get shows with less seasons and less episodes per season.
@@user-sb4ll3ef5s is that the same with all shows tho? For instance, walking dead actors took a pay cut. Probably also actors on struggling shows like Gothams last season
@ Walking Dead is interesting because the show has a massive cast and in fact, Lincoln and Gurira left by their own choice. This put pressure on the producers and they had to pay Reedus and McBride more. Reedus allegedly made 20 to 30 million per season for the last three seasons.
He made something like 100.000 for the first season… So some of the remaing cast main members actually got a massive pay increase.
So what happened? Because of the nature of the show, some actors got squeezed and were paid very little, their character could be written off easily, but other actors started to make a massive amount of money in the later seasons.
Roth sounds like a sociopath.
Yeah, he wanted more money for the same amount of work and they said no..
the whole thing was an intel operation. Ryan smart used it to sabatoge my life. He is lying about what he did
best Lex other than Gene Hackamn! DUCKIE is TERRIBLE..
Actors complaining, don't care
And yet you watched and commented, like a real loser. Unless you're just a bot.
Your inferiority complex is showing
I agree.
Rando’s on the internet complaining, don’t care.
@@pendorran Relax little lady.
Ruby Rose had accusations against Roth and how he acted back in Batwoman's first season.