To anyone wondering, the exact article was published December, 1998. Issue 70, with the exact pages being 74-77. Paul Charlton: Self Confessed Star Wars Addict. Brilliant. Also known as Major General Kessler, commander of 6 squadrons of TIE fighters. Jingles served on HMS Nottingham at the time as well. I’m not able to provide the exact link since TH-cam doesn’t really allow external links in comments without the content creator passing it off. But you’re all smart enough to be able to find the magazine yourselves, if I could do it, you all can.
Fantastic find! Here's a link to a digitised version of the article for anyone interested, complete with dashing imagery of the young Rear-Admiral... Kessler? archive.org/details/PCZONE070/PCZONE%20-%20070%20%28Dec%20%2798%29/PCZONE%20-%20070%20%28Dec%20%2798%29_Page_074.jpg
Was Alliance the ship with torpedoes so broken, Flamu knew where they were coming from, managed to evade them just barely, then they circled around and hit him anyway?
@@RamonInNZ The torpedoes themselves circled around and hit him from the opposite side from where they were launched. The submarine can basically single-handedly cross torp opponents.
Wow! What a blast from the past! Was a huge fan of Mr. Brooker's work and had several of his PC Zone works stuck up in the PC workshop in which I toiled as a tech back in the day. Great anecdote, btw. Oh, and today's vid was entertaining, too ;)
Ackshually Jingles, there is another possibility regarding the Salem: it's entirely possible that the Salem had his radar swapped out for hydro. Sure, you lose a few kilometers of detection, but hydro lasts much longer, detects incoming torpedoes and also submarines. I don't play my Salem often but I almost never equip radar on it because of this.
Does Salem not have radar and hydro as separate consumables? Usually the radar on US cruisers can be switched out for fighters or spotter plane, not hydro
@@chiph4288 it does not. You have to choose between hydro and radar on the Salem. The hydro is standard for US cruisers but the radar is more akin to what you'll find on the Atlanta.
After a day at work dealing with a-holes who baulk at helping a guy who asks for a little bit of help, while they stand circle jerking themselves, watching this video and enjoying every bit, from the stories about your time in the Royal Navy, to getting the ships wrong as they get taken out, God that really hits the spot! Thank you for all you do Jingles!
It is very true that in reality, subs and aircraft carriers fundamentally changed naval warfare. But that does not mean they are fun to have a game based on firing the big guns out of the giant boats.
@twerking bollocks yes, I know. USN submariner, here. The point is that a sub is a torpedo boat. A slow one at that, either barely faster than the battleships or actually slower then the battleships. Makes them hard to employ coordinated with a fleet.
Yet another great video, I need to sign up for your support whatever. The thing is, I *was* one of those original WOT players that signed up due to the historical aspects - mid 50's back then and an avid ww2 and military buff. Then WoT went to $hit. FYI - the way you deal with wheeled scouts is you put a TOW through them - wheeled scout - 90 mph, TOW 600+, Dragon, Javelin, hell Abrahms at 1500 meters - blat. Scout loses. None of this battlefield zooming crap. So, off I went to WoWs - historical again. On your recommendation, picked up Japanese Destroyer Captain. If you haven't read it, read it. Or I'll send you my copy as long as you agree to send it on. As much as Japanese destroyers early on were way ahead, and the USN was still stuck in the early 30s, the USN got religion and pushed out RADAR Asap. Tactics changed, and about 1/2 way through the book you can see it. So, if you go above - meh - tier 7, you're off to arcade land. Hybrid battleships? The only way they could work is if they sacrificed armor, and we all know WG has hacked the code for CVs. They do it every time. Well, it's *their* game right? Meh. I'll watch the video and do real life things. I have a chicken coop to build. But Paul, if you ever wander through the Atlanta area, dinner is on me American style.
Same here, former WoT clan commander, moved to WoWS with great satisfaction for a couple of years, collecting historical ships in port and testing odd setups that everyone else thought can't possibly work "according to the current meta" (funniest phrase used by "pro gamer" youtubers, trolling these guys in game was a real treat whenever I met one). I was already annoyed by WG's money grab strategies last winter when Putler decided to invade Ukraine, stopped playing the same day as I won't help finance mass murder just for the sake of shooting pixels on a screen. I know WG is supposed to be based in Cyprus, but I have no doubt that most of the money still goes to Russia. I was kinda busy over the past year, but I'm thinking that War on the Sea might be a viable alternative for guys like us, check out a channel called Wolfpack345 to see a well presented play-through.
Holyyy Crap! Reading the article on internet archive, I see a very young jingles, all skinny, handsome, and on the verge of becoming the gnome overlord of our blessed salt mines. Seriously, quite the dapper chap you were.
there should be a standing order among non CV players that states, If there are CVs in play all other ships on both teams dont shoot at eacheother until the CVs are dead.
2:45 Britain has always been very passionate when it comes to cruelty to animals. Our equivalent of the Dreyfus Affair was over the vivisection of a dog (The Brown Dog Affair), and the RSPCA was founded 40 years before the NSPCC.
Salem may not have *had* radar. It's radar shares a slot with hydro, and it's commonly recommended to take the hydro over the pretty anemic 8.5km radar.
I found it interesting the the Daring never got Radared (At least I did notice it). When playing a DD, especially a Daring, it is possible to avoid being regularly detected by aircraft. Of course if you hang around the middle of the map for most of the game, you'll get detected more often. It is Radar that I find challenging. I can't hide from it, even if they are on the other side of a huge island. At least with the Fun Police you have the chance of smoking up and disappearing. It is very rare that CV have any affect of my games, and I am a primary DD player. Interesting.
But you can calculate Radar regarding Distance, active Time, Cooldown and behavior of certain Ship. Neither of that does work against a CV. If you're behind a Island and a Radar gets you, "nothing" happens. You're detected, that's it. Not good, sure, but its on you to change. You have a good amount of Time the moment Radar is off. Even before you can Act. If a CV spots you behind a Island, well needless to say anything. A CV is aswell able to detect your approach way before a Radar can. "It is very rare that CV have any affect of my games, and I am a primary DD player. Interesting." Interesting indeed, but not because of the reason you might think^^
I get the whole fun police attitude towards carriers within this game. But historically they were the most destructive battle platform in naval warfare to this day. Yes its annoying to be constantly hounded by carriers but its to an extent, fairly realistic. But yes, limit them to 1 carrier per side per battle and classify carrier hybrids as carriers.
While its true that dive bombers in general were more effective, its important to note that the aircraft that was responsible for the most sunk tonnage was in fact a torpedo bomber, the Fairey Swordfish.
I suspect the Bismarck's sinking being a big tonnage factor, but wasn't it also responsible for the in-harbor sinking of multiple Italian ships in like, Toronto or something?
@@jessegd6306 The Bismarck was one ship and even then the sinking of the Mushashi or Yamato would give American torpedo and dive bombers more tonnage from a single ship. Also the Bismarck was sunk by royal navy ships, not planes.
Acshually Jingles, The smoke screen left beside the hindenburg was Jutland and not somers. Another, acshually Jingles, louisiana cant deploy fighters, that was the kaga
Durn, I missed the RN sub museum and the HMS Alliance when I was in Portsmouth a couple of years ago. Guess I'll have to make another trip there. Gotta go to Fall River, Massachusetts first though.
The IJN made several classes, 1-3 planes each. i-400 class probably the most famous, since their wrecks were (re)discovered in 2004 or 05. 3x Seiran torpedo bombers each.
Hybrid carriers really are just a middle finger to the community who have been hating carriers for the game's entire lifespan so what did they do? They added more but gave them battleship guns and 1 tier lower battleship HP.
Watching some 5+ year old games that popped up again in my recommended and back then no one really had a problem with carriers based on the various commentary. AA worked and carriers weren't a protected class.
Ah Jingles, a daring dd driver can play even with the fun police and being spotted. I do all the time, grab the other teams attention and go running and gunning. If they are shooting at me my team can shoot at them with less risk of them shooting back. I have lost count of how many times I have done that, staying alive long enough to have my team rolling up the other team.
Mmm... WG doesn't lie. Like when they said they'd NEVER put CV's in WoWs: Legends, and then 2 years later introduce CV's. I've all about stopped playing WG games since that lovely drop. 🙄 Only reason I still watch these videos is because I've been watching Jingles vids for, what, 7 some odd years? The game kinda sucks now, but Jingles is Forever. 🥰
Dive bombers among aircraft vs surface kills were most effective. Submarines accounted for 75% of all ship kills against the IJN in WW 2. That's against both warship kills and merchant kills.
Thank you! Quite the honor.
GG, thank you for sharing this with us.🎉
How did that island launch torpedoes
Phenomenal name and play
I liked your statement in chat a second before the clock ran out ;-)
What does Grundel refer to?
Pretty funny name, I like it
"Somers taken out by the Indomitable" Never change Jingles! lol
Incredibly, he got BOTH ships involved in that wrong which is honestly an impressive level of Jingles there.
Mm was looking for this comment glad for it to be the first i saw 😂
indomitable dive bomber
I wonder if he's doing it on purpose or he just gets older 😅
@@TheKobiDror Was thinking of commenting this exact sentiment and saw someone had beat me to it lol.
To anyone wondering, the exact article was published December, 1998. Issue 70, with the exact pages being 74-77. Paul Charlton: Self Confessed Star Wars Addict. Brilliant. Also known as Major General Kessler, commander of 6 squadrons of TIE fighters. Jingles served on HMS Nottingham at the time as well. I’m not able to provide the exact link since TH-cam doesn’t really allow external links in comments without the content creator passing it off. But you’re all smart enough to be able to find the magazine yourselves, if I could do it, you all can.
Fantastic find! Here's a link to a digitised version of the article for anyone interested, complete with dashing imagery of the young Rear-Admiral... Kessler? archive.org/details/PCZONE070/PCZONE%20-%20070%20%28Dec%20%2798%29/PCZONE%20-%20070%20%28Dec%20%2798%29_Page_074.jpg
Doing the Emperor’s work, my friend!
The real information everyone wants to know!
Anyone got a link to a photo scan of the article??
Shit, what was the name of the magazine again? (Feeling too lazy to go rewatch the entire video)
@@comicus01 PC Zone
I'm kind of surprised that the name "GrundelFungus" Didn't get so much as a chuckle out of you Jingles. XD
Inorite!!!
My thoughts exactly!
Cheese 🤣
Can we appreciate the fact that Jingles ran into the literal Fun Police during his cosplay escapades? 😅
20:00
Indomitable: Doing the right thing to win the battle
dude in chat: "bruh for the throw"
4:00 - setting aside wows, what a great story. Imagine salt miners what we could get if we got him drunk :)
Jingles videos are my bed time stories
Drachinifel also works😅 with the added benefit that sometimes it’s still running when I wake up
They are my coffee.
@@mattschm5486 you could use a Drach video to run a whole marathon.
Was Alliance the ship with torpedoes so broken, Flamu knew where they were coming from, managed to evade them just barely, then they circled around and hit him anyway?
Perfectly balanced, comrades.
It have rear torpedo tubes ike in real life....
@@RamonInNZ The torpedoes themselves circled around and hit him from the opposite side from where they were launched. The submarine can basically single-handedly cross torp opponents.
the daring was what got me interested in the game as I served 3 years in HMAS Duchess
perfect timing. Just got the time amidst the chaos at the office and Jingles publishes 18 seconds before I open TH-cam. This day's looking good now 🙂
Wow! What a blast from the past! Was a huge fan of Mr. Brooker's work and had several of his PC Zone works stuck up in the PC workshop in which I toiled as a tech back in the day. Great anecdote, btw. Oh, and today's vid was entertaining, too ;)
Ackshually Jingles, there is another possibility regarding the Salem: it's entirely possible that the Salem had his radar swapped out for hydro. Sure, you lose a few kilometers of detection, but hydro lasts much longer, detects incoming torpedoes and also submarines. I don't play my Salem often but I almost never equip radar on it because of this.
Does Salem not have radar and hydro as separate consumables? Usually the radar on US cruisers can be switched out for fighters or spotter plane, not hydro
@@chiph4288 it does not. You have to choose between hydro and radar on the Salem. The hydro is standard for US cruisers but the radar is more akin to what you'll find on the Atlanta.
After a day at work dealing with a-holes who baulk at helping a guy who asks for a little bit of help, while they stand circle jerking themselves, watching this video and enjoying every bit, from the stories about your time in the Royal Navy, to getting the ships wrong as they get taken out, God that really hits the spot! Thank you for all you do Jingles!
The British DD line was one of the funniest lines I've grinded. Tier VIII onwards is a joy to play.
Ohh it's my boy GrundelFungus getting featured!
It is very true that in reality, subs and aircraft carriers fundamentally changed naval warfare. But that does not mean they are fun to have a game based on firing the big guns out of the giant boats.
Subs less so than aircraft.
Subs, pre nuclear power, are just sneaky torpedo boats.
That's why Admirals: Dreadnoughts is such a great game. They just pretend they never existed in the first place.
@twerking bollocks yes, I know.
USN submariner, here.
The point is that a sub is a torpedo boat. A slow one at that, either barely faster than the battleships or actually slower then the battleships.
Makes them hard to employ coordinated with a fleet.
Yet another great video, I need to sign up for your support whatever. The thing is, I *was* one of those original WOT players that signed up due to the historical aspects - mid 50's back then and an avid ww2 and military buff. Then WoT went to $hit. FYI - the way you deal with wheeled scouts is you put a TOW through them - wheeled scout - 90 mph, TOW 600+, Dragon, Javelin, hell Abrahms at 1500 meters - blat. Scout loses. None of this battlefield zooming crap.
So, off I went to WoWs - historical again. On your recommendation, picked up Japanese Destroyer Captain. If you haven't read it, read it. Or I'll send you my copy as long as you agree to send it on. As much as Japanese destroyers early on were way ahead, and the USN was still stuck in the early 30s, the USN got religion and pushed out RADAR Asap. Tactics changed, and about 1/2 way through the book you can see it. So, if you go above - meh - tier 7, you're off to arcade land. Hybrid battleships? The only way they could work is if they sacrificed armor, and we all know WG has hacked the code for CVs. They do it every time.
Well, it's *their* game right? Meh. I'll watch the video and do real life things. I have a chicken coop to build. But Paul, if you ever wander through the Atlanta area, dinner is on me American style.
Same here, former WoT clan commander, moved to WoWS with great satisfaction for a couple of years, collecting historical ships in port and testing odd setups that everyone else thought can't possibly work "according to the current meta" (funniest phrase used by "pro gamer" youtubers, trolling these guys in game was a real treat whenever I met one).
I was already annoyed by WG's money grab strategies last winter when Putler decided to invade Ukraine, stopped playing the same day as I won't help finance mass murder just for the sake of shooting pixels on a screen. I know WG is supposed to be based in Cyprus, but I have no doubt that most of the money still goes to Russia.
I was kinda busy over the past year, but I'm thinking that War on the Sea might be a viable alternative for guys like us, check out a channel called Wolfpack345 to see a well presented play-through.
Holyyy Crap! Reading the article on internet archive, I see a very young jingles, all skinny, handsome, and on the verge of becoming the gnome overlord of our blessed salt mines. Seriously, quite the dapper chap you were.
I feel miffed at the lack of one of your beautiful homemade win screens. Thanks for keeping these coming.
Don't even think jingles realises that he's uploaded the same title video before.
So Jingles, you've been a geek for a long time I gather.
A game that goes right down to the wire like this one is definitely preferable to the types of one-sided games most turn up to be.
there should be a standing order among non CV players that states, If there are CVs in play all other ships on both teams dont shoot at eacheother until the CVs are dead.
Jingles I'm honestly impressed you managed to say 'Grundel Fungus' with a straight face.
That captain is annoying! GG
GRUNDELFUNGUS!!! What a name :)
2:45 Britain has always been very passionate when it comes to cruelty to animals. Our equivalent of the Dreyfus Affair was over the vivisection of a dog (The Brown Dog Affair), and the RSPCA was founded 40 years before the NSPCC.
Smart carrier! And well done, @Grundel Fungus!
I was kinda hoping we were gonna get a pic of a TIE pilot in a submarine flashed on screen. when you told that story!
Salem may not have *had* radar. It's radar shares a slot with hydro, and it's commonly recommended to take the hydro over the pretty anemic 8.5km radar.
Thank you for sharing this glorious win and congratulations to the winning team! ❤😊
Love it, thanks for sharing this game.
Nice little "get f@#ed CV" at the end. 😂
I found it interesting the the Daring never got Radared (At least I did notice it).
When playing a DD, especially a Daring, it is possible to avoid being regularly detected by aircraft. Of course if you hang around the middle of the map for most of the game, you'll get detected more often. It is Radar that I find challenging. I can't hide from it, even if they are on the other side of a huge island. At least with the Fun Police you have the chance of smoking up and disappearing.
It is very rare that CV have any affect of my games, and I am a primary DD player. Interesting.
But you can calculate Radar regarding Distance, active Time, Cooldown and behavior of certain Ship. Neither of that does work against a CV.
If you're behind a Island and a Radar gets you, "nothing" happens. You're detected, that's it. Not good, sure, but its on you to change. You have a good amount of Time the moment Radar is off. Even before you can Act. If a CV spots you behind a Island, well needless to say anything. A CV is aswell able to detect your approach way before a Radar can.
"It is very rare that CV have any affect of my games, and I am a primary DD player. Interesting." Interesting indeed, but not because of the reason you might think^^
A Somers that looks, sounds, and smells like a Jutland, and an Indomitable that looks, sounds, and smells like a Louisiana. Please, never change.
1:50 HMS Alliance was also a Transformer in "The Last Knight"
It's so funny watching Grundel tactically using all of his brain power to play properly..... aaaaand there come the fun police
I remember those photos of a Tie Fighter pilot.
Lovely, old skool, close one (because back in the day every battle was close : )
Nice police academy referance, thank you jingles.
Never played the game, but I watch every video and love it!
Another fun morning Jingles video to accompany my morning coffee ☕️
anyone else want a game mode where its all hybrid battleships/ carriers so they call feel are pain and know why we hate their ships
I get the whole fun police attitude towards carriers within this game. But historically they were the most destructive battle platform in naval warfare to this day. Yes its annoying to be constantly hounded by carriers but its to an extent, fairly realistic. But yes, limit them to 1 carrier per side per battle and classify carrier hybrids as carriers.
Quite right in your analysis and well placed sarcasm.
Always see hybrids park behind an island never using guns never tanking.
Actually Jingles that wasn’t the som…. Click.click… BANG
While its true that dive bombers in general were more effective, its important to note that the aircraft that was responsible for the most sunk tonnage was in fact a torpedo bomber, the Fairey Swordfish.
I have a hard time believing that
Really? I would have thought for sure either the SBD Dauntless or PBY Catalina
I suspect the Bismarck's sinking being a big tonnage factor, but wasn't it also responsible for the in-harbor sinking of multiple Italian ships in like, Toronto or something?
@@jessegd6306 Taranto. The British attacking a Canadian city might have raised some eyebrows.
@@jessegd6306 The Bismarck was one ship and even then the sinking of the Mushashi or Yamato would give American torpedo and dive bombers more tonnage from a single ship. Also the Bismarck was sunk by royal navy ships, not planes.
Great reference to the SAS Jingles. I love that mantra. Amazing video as always, I hope you're doing well.
Yes Scandinavian Air Service is great ;)
love your stories - thank you for that!!
I've been using "the fun police" in my vocabulary more often...😂 thanks Jingles.
Acshually Jingles, The smoke screen left beside the hindenburg was Jutland and not somers. Another, acshually Jingles, louisiana cant deploy fighters, that was the kaga
Hey jingles...a bit off topic but do you go to Bovington for their tankfests?
Great vid, best in a while!
you may want to look up the word 'grundel' Jingles ... his name cracked me up 🤣
So what you're saying is that we need to put Cap'n Jingles in the Alliance, a ship he's been on before.
Nice Thumbnail Jingles!
Salem radar is not 9.7 heh its for sure 8.5. GG SilverArrows19/Johnny and Grundel
AAA
Grumdellfungus 😂 you have to admire gamer names.
We also demand to see the TIE fighter pilot pics 😉
Come on Jingles, that Jutland Somers mix up is even rough for your standards :)
You literally mentioned the Jutland 10 seconds before it got killed.
That captain had me in stitches
Jingles, the magazine you referenced PC ZONE is archived. Now I have to go thru and find your pictures haha. Appreciate you mate
Ok we need those pics like, yesterday !!
Durn, I missed the RN sub museum and the HMS Alliance when I was in Portsmouth a couple of years ago. Guess I'll have to make another trip there. Gotta go to Fall River, Massachusetts first though.
That voiceover in the background made me wish I was deaf.
You can have a triple or even quadruple carrier game!
-CV
-Hybrid BB
-Dutch cruiser
-Dutch DD
Let the fun-policing commence!
I was watching, and actually pushed "P" to engage AA ......I really have to cut down playing this ^^
Muscle memory is a hard habit to break. I _STILL_ find myself tapping Shift-F7 to print, even though WordPerfect was literally decades ago.
AWESOME STORY MATE!!!!!
Gotta love a British Sommers that looks like a Jutland!
I was yelling switch to HE just as you were!
Aaaaaah @Jingles ummm Jutland died and that was his smokescreen - Somers is still alive and had killed the cruiser PR!
SUBMARINE CARRIER HYBRID HAUNTS MY DREAMS
I-400 would like to know your location
1 million lives, think trigger think.
@@DD-mp1kl I-400 already knows your location ;)
The IJN made several classes, 1-3 planes each.
i-400 class probably the most famous, since their wrecks were (re)discovered in 2004 or 05. 3x Seiran torpedo bombers each.
@@DD-mp1kl the what
i did what any responsible internet user would do.....i dug out the comic strip and enjoyed it. oh boy......this is a really dark one :)
Great to hear you misnaming ships still, all is well with the universe :)
Hybrid carriers really are just a middle finger to the community who have been hating carriers for the game's entire lifespan so what did they do? They added more but gave them battleship guns and 1 tier lower battleship HP.
Watching some 5+ year old games that popped up again in my recommended and back then no one really had a problem with carriers based on the various commentary.
AA worked and carriers weren't a protected class.
Ek kan gewoonlik nie wag vir jou vids nie. Groete uit Suid Afrika. Cheers
Morning Jingles, from Indianapolis, Indiana.
Brilliant Daring!!!!
The title gave me ptsd from HOI4
I need to look through my boxes of those PC magazines and find that picture...
Afternoon Mighty Jangles. had things to do this morning. Hope your day was well.
now I know we need to find an issue fo that magazine you appeared on!
⌐_⌐ Jingles made us ROUTE for the sky cancer! >_
actually.... lol..."the Somers just got taken out by the Indomitable" ... in the meantime the Jutland was bombed by the Louisiana. awesome!
Daring in name, Daring in nature, GG stay safe
Ah Jingles, a daring dd driver can play even with the fun police and being spotted.
I do all the time, grab the other teams attention and go running and gunning. If they are shooting at me my team can shoot at them with less risk of them shooting back. I have lost count of how many times I have done that, staying alive long enough to have my team rolling up the other team.
I couldn't get in the OPs room unless they were underwater!😂
A rare damned if you do, damned if you don't moment.
Salem's radar range was 9 flat. at some point it was nerfed to 8.5
The Salem may be a hydro Salem, as she is the only USN cruiser to have 8.5 km radar, that has to choose either radar or hydro,
I play Salem with hydro. Much more useful than 8.5km radar.
I wonder what happened to Major General Kessler..... hmmmm. Maybe Jingles can shed some light?
Mmm... WG doesn't lie. Like when they said they'd NEVER put CV's in WoWs: Legends, and then 2 years later introduce CV's. I've all about stopped playing WG games since that lovely drop. 🙄 Only reason I still watch these videos is because I've been watching Jingles vids for, what, 7 some odd years? The game kinda sucks now, but Jingles is Forever. 🥰
Dive bombers among aircraft vs surface kills were most effective. Submarines accounted for 75% of all ship kills against the IJN in WW 2. That's against both warship kills and merchant kills.
Thats a Puma light armored recon car, with a 50mm cannon.
Japanese like their accuracy to vehicles. I mean see some vehicle animes to understand.
Jingles....who is Lindsay??? We deserve to know the Past of the Overlord^^
Yes yes, even the carriers.. 😂😂😂
Great story, but what was this game ?
Morning Jingles