Ever since Baby Vox lost their hype in SK market and then decide to tap in the US market like they did in China and Thailand which is the success, they hope for the same result. From there they dig more rabbit holes starting from Rania and now they're using Black, Latin American and the largest population market of all India due to the foreigner validation from those cultures. No actual planning for the group rather they just throw random things to the wall and see which one will stick, this is why they reshuffling members every single time. At this point the business are still kicking possibility due to money laundering, construction companies and entertainment agency goes hand in hand on shady practices
Blackswan is so unorganized and unkept. It's kind of like we never know what to expect next. As much as i hate to say this... I dont see Blackswan being successful. I agree with everything you said.
@@dgls127 leia started bullying rumours about fatou who didnt do anything wrong, i think leia is just bringing drama and rumours to attract more attention to their group for publicity but she did it in the wrong mattet within the wrong morals.
When Judy and Heun left they called it a “graduation system”, and they only lasted a year. So by the logic of DR Fatou will be leaving soon, taking away most of the fandom with her
@@nerd23x no but frrr, à fully non-popular east asian group its members, most of the time cant even make a living out of being an idol, so most of them work parttime jobs. I just cant imagine how much they are barely making
they obviously left on their own, wtf do they mean graduation system? they don’t even do that in kpop, the only artists i know who’s done that is after school and it failed.
It’s sad. The girls deserved better. I’ll support them all individually (except Leia) when the group eventually disbands. In the meantime, with no comebacks, a shitty company, and Leia bringing an insufferable amount of drama, I really don’t find myself caring about the group anymore.
Man, Leia really didn't do anything wrong. As always you Americans ignoring Brazilians 💀 Edit: Bitches, read the other comments. I'm not going to explain anything more for you guys, I tried to be polite, but you guys are so... UGH.
Honestly, I just assumed the "graduation" system was just an excuse to let the two girls go. DR Music is clearly all about trying to be "different" by having such a wide variety of different girls (which would be fine if they could actually manage a group well and weren't just solely trying to do it for the sake of doing it). So if they let Judy and Youngheun go that opens the door for more potential girls. Also, having a so-called graduation system also makes it sound like if anyone leaves this group that has a tendency to lose members they can just say "That's okay! We have a graduation system, remember? They left because it was just their time and not because of any real issues!" After all, when you look past the Blackswan members and include Rania/BP Rania members were constantly departing. At least by claiming that they have a graduation concept it makes it not look so shady. The issue is no one really likes that concept for kpop lol.
Yeah, agreed 100%. The only graduation systems I’ve seen working out is in Japan with idol groups like AKB48 and with vtubers because they’ve established those systems from the start. Meanwhile in Korea, there’s a 7 year contract unless the members end up ending their contracts early due to various reasons, so having a graduation system works against them. Everyone expects a group to stay together for a few years before the dreaded contract expiration so to have this system in a field with 7 year contracts, it just feels off imo
I’m thinking that the “graduation system” was their attempt to save face because the two members wanted to terminate their contracts and not that the company wanted to let them go
@@bubba94290 I could honestly see that being true as well. I think when I made the comment I remembered someone commenting somewhere that one of the two girls responded to a question stating the company actually made the decision and not them, but I obviously could be wrong. I spent the last couple of minutes trying to find it but for the life of me I can't lmao. So it definitely could be one or the other. Regardless, it definitely feels like a way for the company to save face.
I just really hope Judy & Youngheun debut in a new group under a better company, hopefully they will find themselves in the top of a survival show or something. They rlly deserve it
Same here, I don't want this system, 9muses suffered a lot as a group because of the label going with this system, the group never got a 1st music show throughout their career because of the constant member lineup changes, Moon Hyuna was added after Jaekyung left in 2010 the year that 9muses debut, Gyeongri was added in 2011 after Rana and Bini left, Sungah was added in for Dolls promotions which was the best year in 2013 as a group, but again in 2014 original members LeeSem, Eunji and Sera left, the same year Sojin and Keumjo were added for 2015 comeback Drama, in 2016 2 original members Minha and Euaerin left the group follow by Hyuna who also left the same year, in 2017 the group continue as 5 with Pyo Hyemi as the only original member remaining in the group but Sungah went on a hiatus so the group release new misic as 4 members, in 2019 the group disbanded
I'm still rooting for Fatou, but I gave up when Youngheun and Judy left :( They were close to Fatou so the girls (aside from Leia) had a really good energy together on stage. Youngheun was also previously a trainee under the Entertainment Pascal (aka the agency that exploited Stellar) for five years, then she goes to DR and gets treated like dirt again :(
Blackswan was a group that had a lot of potential. But with poor management their group is falling apart. They’ve had to many line up changes and also lack of comebacks. They should debut under a different company that can properly manage them and give them proper comebacks. I really hope everything turns out right for this group.
I don't understand what it is with this generation of record labels and companies that would rather do anything and everything other than their job, which is to get their artist to release music. This isn't only happening with groups like Black Swan but it's happening with major artists like Normani and Chloe Bailey. Like it isn't that complicated 2 + 2 is always going to make four. Release some dang music.
The amount of stories i read about nugu groups/idols having to do most of the work/promotions/reservations/arrangements themselves rather than their company is honestly so irritating. At this point i’m sure most companies are a front for money laundering like that makes so much more sense to me :\
I truly love this group they make me stan kpop more… but the company is trash… Leia is ruining the group I don’t care what anyone says she must have information on the company because she’s been there since she was like 15 and apparently her family has gave them money before so that’s why DR won’t let her go when they really need to! Sriya is bringing new fans and strong stans to the group we don’t need anymore mess she is Indians first kpop idol that’s kinda a big thing for south Asians. I just hope this comeback/debut grips them tighter to success and more fans because i truly love their diversity and style
@Sayma Khan she’s ruining the group by not caring about being an idol, she’s been to Brazil 2 times this year for her “mental health” yet she’s seen in clubs partying and posting on her stories saying she’s fine and doesn’t know if group is even still a group… Fatou already said she caught Leia saying she will ruin the group on the phone to her friend, Leia is a problem she just needs to leave but she clearly won’t for what ever reason dr won’t let her go so it’s just ruining the group and their image, if this was a big company this won’t be happening at all she wouldn’t dare
@@Boonies leia voltou para o Brasil porque a empresa mandou ela para lá, e o que tem demais ir é uma balada, leia foi vista na balada quando foi visitar a família dela, agora a empresa está mandou ela para todo Brasil para cuidar de sua saúde mental
i hate to be this kind of person but the only option here is honestly disbandment and dr music shut down. they can redebut, they have potential, but they cannot be under dr music anymore. whoever’s working there who’s managing blackswan should not be in the idol management industry
I'd literally pay for DR to shutdown and never open or rebrand again🤣🤣🤣. And people still can't be auditioning for this crap company thinking their dreams will come true🤷🏽♀️. I feel bad for Gabi and Sriya who made headlines in their countries for making it into kpop only for DR to clown around
Honestly, I'm exhausted at this point. This is the very first group I loved with my whole body lmao, I was staying so late just to stream, I could write an essay about all the members, I just love Blackswan so much, and even bought my first kpop album thanks of them. But since the company is irresponsible and seems to enjoy ruining their groups, they didn't handle scandals their gremlin named Leia made and kept the girl even tho she kept doing weird things. Because they had their hands full with scandals on the left and the right, they couldn't even manage the group correctly and most of all they couldn't give any attention to Youngheun and Judy. And it's already not easy to manage a group when you're not a big company and have foreign members (especially because of racists). So yeah, our girls left and good for them honestly, don't know any idol who would love to stay in a group where on of your members keep talking sh*t about you and pretend everything is ok and they do it again and again, and a CEO who don't care about you at all. Now, I wish to my beloved Fatou to leave this hell of a company and for Shreya and Gabi to have a bright future as idols because they're really talented and I love them. If I have to name one company that waste talents, I would instantly name DR Music. They had everything ans couldn't handle it. I feel so bad giving all my energy while the company treat us and the idols so bad... They pulled a "graduation system" out of nowhere and it was it. Wth honestly, I'm so hurt. Fatou, Shreya and Gabi are so talented and really get along like sisters but the company really sucks... I miss Youngheun and Judy, I miss them being with Fatou, I miss their energy and vibe. This is so sad.
If this was the first group that you Stan then I feel sorry for you, all of the members are flops lol stan actually good and pretty girl groups like new jeans
@@princesskatie4467 idk what you're doing here if all members are flops lol, I personally wouldn't eve, bother responding to other fandom's comments from a group I don't stan and that I will call flop but I guess you have a lot of time in your hands.
this is actually so sad. im a nugu enthusiast. i love small groups and i love supporting them. this, this hurts my heart. i find this one of the coolest girl groups in existaence. i think its amazing that they bring foreigners into kpop, which proves kpop is universal and isnt restricted to just koreans. i sympathize with you, i almost cried when youngheun left (shes my bias too, gabi is one of my new biases, shryia close behind!) but i hate the graduation system too. we luminas just have to stay strong
I don't see any bright future for Gabi and Sriya too being in this group, DR really wasting these girls time and no korean member will be a problem. And now liea in her hometown and BlackSwan going ahead with the comeback without her. I stanned them when they debuted and i really thought they gonna be successful cuz they were different but one by one members started leaving. Some new fans came cuz of gabi and sriya but don't know what a fucked up company dr is and have Sriya and Gabi future in risk. I hope dr gets right in their mind and plan something for this group, cuz I will not be surprised people leaving.
whats interesting is (to my knowledge) theres never been a group thats had mainstream success that switches members out repeatedly or has a graduation concept besides nct when they first debuted and even then, sm abandoned the idea after a few years lol. fandoms get attached to the actual idols of a group and the chemistry the group have together, switching it up every couple years just makes it feel like your a part of the cullen family going through highschool, nobody sticks around long enough for you to get the change to actually form a relationship with them.
Afterschool was under pledis and had a graduation system..they were extremely popular during their peak however they definitely would've been more popular without the graduation system
Dr.Music should've stuck by the ORIGINAL lineup. Hyeme,Larissa,Fatou, Youngheun and Judy...that was the golden lineup. I saw it falling apart the moment Hyeme left.
It’s sad that when we get diversity in kpop with blackswan, that it doesn’t turn out well. With members leaving drama, etc. I really want the best for this group bc seeing girls who look like me singing kpop makes me feel inspired, but it’s also disappointing that this is what happened and is happening.
i can’t imagine putting years of your life and money into training to finally debut, only to find out it was all for nothing. idols, and all artists in general, need more laws to protect them.
i was so upset when we got the news that youngheun and judy had left (and leia stayed??). first of all i loved them and with that line up they really had something special, i thought finally blackswan formerly rania is going to succeed. second of all... without any korean members in the group they will struggle forever, even with fatou's power and fandom... judy and youngeun were like anchors for the group. the sudden graduation concept is just stupid and i don't think that was ever the plan. its DR trying desperately to make it seem like they aren't incompetent. now it's not "the girls quit for (insert bad reason here)" or "we're firing our members for no reason", it's "they *graduated*, this is how it's *supposed* to be". do they think people will not see straight through that considering their history? get real dude. it just disappoints me so much. i am not optimistic for the future of blackswan. it sucks because i just want these women to succeed. and to be honest if fatou "graduates" i will probably lose all interest in blackswan because she's my bias. but if she does "graduate" i truly hope she finds success elsewhere, she deserves better than what she's been given. they all do. in an alternate timeline youngheun and judy stayed in the group, leia took her ass back home, they added sriya and gabi, and kept releasing banger music and gaining fans... sigh
DR finally ruin Blackswan like they did to Rania they never learn the past mistake and repeat it over and over. Actually I can't see their future since Younghuen and Dahye left the group
I think part of the good feeling we have with idols is because of their cultural customs, even those who don't come from korea tend to respect a lot and act like such, I think the biggest problem for me trying to get closer to blackswan was the discomfort of not seeing these customs respected (mainly by Leia) I didn't feel like seeing a kpop group, it was just a mess, I respect the idea and I think the industry has a lot to improve but I think blackswan has already failed
I loved Blackswan, I loved their last comeback it was so catchy and felt like they were starting to gain a good amount of traction, I also loved watching Young Heun, Judy, and Fatou’s chemistry and watching their lives :( it hurts a lot cuz I was cheering for them so much and as a fan I was so hopeful for them. I just wanted them to succeed but now I don’t even know what exactly I’m stanning anymore
@MACHI Music I understand people wants to see Korean members there in the kpop group. But I don't this it's anyway fault of sriya or gabi. Becoming next kaachi? I think it's not a right term to use as everyone comes with their own fate and destiny. Let's hope for best for both of them as they really put in their all to get to the place they are at and they have a long way to go.
@@maria.lsoares Sadly nope , kaachi never promoting in Korean music show & under korean agency like Blackswan did lmao not even same stop comparing lol
Ur commentary is so true, I wish only the best for their future but I'm also sad because Judy was my bias ))-: I'm kinda losing interest in them but I streamed Close To Me SO much you have no idea, idc what people say about the production that song was so good imo (I just wish they kept Fatou's rap on the Spotify version)
The worst thing is that I remember saying 'I feel like the new rebranded RaNia, will actually have a really stable line-up', back when "Tonight" dropped
complaining bcs they don't have a korean member is probably a fetish when it comes to western community but for korean people is justified bcs it's... kpop. they want at least 1 who is one of them. many korean people told me it's not a big deal but it does feel weird. secret number even got 1 who's barely good at anything bcs they knew it would be a problem
@@rosieosabutey1448 not when they debuted. Idk if Denise was born in korea but she was way more American than Korean anyway and the other members were definitely not born in korea
sorry I worded that wrong. when I was talking abt fetishziation I meant the hate the fatou, sriya, and gabi face just for existing as non-eastasian idols. I don't have an opinion on there being no korean members since I'm not Korean.
@@Very_demure_very_mindful I swear he is just wasting home girls time he is not connected and doesn't know how to get connected the gurls are talented and beautiful but they are in the wrong company jyp or yg will do better
Blackswan falling apart was kind of inevitable, especially with a company who are known for their shadiness and lack of communication. At least they announced the members leaving this time and didn’t just put new girls in the lineup with no introduction like they did with Rania/BP Rania. The whole graduation thing seems more like a cover up for when the members just up and leave like they’ve done in the past, ploopy has 2 really good videos covering their entire history and once you know that it makes sense why they’re falling apart now
This reminds me of when it was still Rania. When demonstrate came out they had the last 3 og's in it for new member and then they bounced. It's very Dr music fashion. I stanned Rania and hoped better for this group. Smh
I know that they Black Swan and not RaNia, but if I remember correctly they introduced that “graduation concept” after members run away left and right. This seems to be their logical response to contract termination or in RaNia’s case straight up fleeing. And it sucks, Black swan was never intended to be a rotational group because they didn’t say that at the beginning. We knew that and they knew that. It’s such unfair to the members and Lumina as a whole. DR had always problems with communication and being upfront, we saw that in the Leia and Fatou situation before the departure of Youngheun and Judy.
I feel you it been a year they released a cb and fatou talked abt it on twt ( idk if she delete it) but im rlly sad bc i stan them since a year, i always support them and defend with my whole heart. They were my ult gg i always watched all her content all day ect , promoting them , streaming(sometimes), when judy and heun left ( they were my bias) i was super sad and i lost motivation.Fans(luminas) on twt were super mad sad and most of bs fan acc deleted their acc bc of that and they were tired of wanting for nothing ( i understand them sm). I couldnt focus on kpop bc of that bc i couldnt be happy the same as b4 when they left i miis them so much esspcialy for heun. I took a long kpop break now im back and i cant see how happy i was b4 even dancing :( I wish they can all leave that stupid ass company
The problem is people liking groups for all the wrong reasons. They like the group for who's in it and not what the group has to offer. People claim to unstan blackpink because of lack of comebacks, but with Blackswan, it's okay and the company is the problem (which is true) but they ignore how little they give They're a very diverse group and it attracted a the fake woke people for one. That was already a fail The company has been horrible since 2011 (Whenever Rania debuted) and that's not going to change. They're just going to ride off the back of their non Korean members. At this point they're not even a kpop group anymore. And with ZERO Korean members, if they can still be considered one, then so can Karachi because at least they have a Korean member There's a lot of underrated groups that give 10x more than Blackswan and company does a whole lot better and the members actually appear to get along and are sticking together that people can support. A lot that also deserve attention and help in order to avoid disbandment Blackswan will only have a fail chance if they leave Dr Music and another company might not take a full non Korean group so they might have to go independent, which honestly would still be better than being under that company If they disband, I'll be happy for them because they don't have a fair chance where they are. I also know that DR will not give up and will hold on with every thread and just keep losing and adding members and changing names I would love to see them do better but I've been a fan since Rania and the company is still doing the same ol crap. They'll never thrive, sadly
@@zariagoza People who pretend they care about peoples problems and support blm, lgbtq, feminism, ect. But they only do it to seem woke because it gets them attention online OR Because they see everyone else doing it
Completely agree. It's just not going to work. A non-Korean group promoting in the K-industry is not a smart move. The industry is already oversaturated and the competition is fierce. We all know that having the Korean general public on your side is detrimental to success, why would they stan BS when they could stan New Jeans, itzy, or IVE. There are so many exceptional groups and artists out there rn, and i'll be honest, BS are mid─at best. Having hype solely based on being foreign is simply not going to cut it
@@Ellie-nv5vf Exactly. I mean I would love to see diversity, but I'd prefer of those people were Korean mixed and born. That way they understand how Korea works
You don’t have to be Korean to sing K-pop. All kpop is is pop in Korean. They are singing Korean and promoting in Korea therefore they are a K-pop group….
I’m hoping for fatou to go solo, and youngyeun and Judy to have successful careers along with Gabi and synra (I dunno how to say her name). I hope leia actually reflects on her actions because she messed up the group dynamic.
As an Indian, Black swan got my attention because of Shreya. But frankly speaking after seeing few of their work, I felt something is missing or not right. I didn’t feel any chemistry between them and their interviews were also awkward. and sorry but I felt that they never gonna succeed. still I hoped for the best as they were still trainees and they will improve in the future. I was surprised when I watched this video because I was not following them.
The best thing to do first would be for them to kick out Leia. Now they have Sriya, Fatou, and Gabi. The best thing would be to add 2 Korean members, because an all foreign kpop group is risky. But DR is a crap company so I don't have high hopes
I really love this group they're one of the group that made me love kpop and seeing them fall apart like this really breaks my heart. They were perfect and diverse.
my life was broken to pieces when i found out my judy and youngheun were leaving.. i loved them so much. i still support fatou, she has my whole heart. but i do not consider myself lumina anymore. shreya and gabi are such sweet girls and i wish nothing but the best for them
8:50 That’s not just international fans btw. Korean Kpop fans are infamous for being rude to all the non-East Asian members (Hell they’ve been rude to any member who isn’t 100% Korean) you mentioned 😅 Just recently an IVE member has been rumored to be half Chinese and k-fans went nuts at it 💀
i've never really seen them be rude to non asian idols though. it seems like they just don't like mixed koreans, japanese, chinese and southeast asians, rather than complete non asians
@@myragingwhormoans They are. I’ve seen the racist comments thrown at Blackswan cause of Fatou, Leia, and Shereya being in the group. I see those types of comments more often than reasonable/loving comments for those girls. I’ve seen them bash black people & hispanics cause of the hate some hold for those girls. Some K-netz will have a problem with ANY idol if they aren’t 100% Korean. Asian or not. Korea isn’t as progressive as many think. Racism is still VERY abundant.
@@mariadiallo5786 Right? She’s pretty much the face of 4th Gen by now and K-netz turned their backs the SECOND a rumor came out about her ethnicity. The racism and xenophobia run very deep in South Korea.
Their company being mismanaged is not the only thing that's the problem with this group, this is going to be a lengthy comment. There is no problem with there being foreign idols in Kpop (they are still considered a Kpop group in my eyes, I'll talk more about this later), even if the whole entire group is foreign. Kpop uses foreign influences anyways so not including other races doesn't make any sense. Of course the majority of Kpop should still cater towards Koreans and East Asians because in their countries that is WHO lives there and that should be the face of their country. Anywho here is the problem with Blackswan particularly. 1st Point: The fact of the matter is that the members of the group don't really have much chemistry, charisma or adhere to the KOREAN/EAST ASIAN CULTURE. I watched a few of their videos on their official channel, the behind the scene ones for example, and the "cuteness" that they are trying to portray somewhat comes off as cringe. It just feels incredibly forced. When you compare to other foreign Asian idols, specifically East Asian it just feels as if though they can blend in more with the culture because their cultures are more similar. If you are going to debut in Korea you have to portray the Korean culture at least just a little bit, that is what Kpop is primarily based on, it's not just the music it's also the culture. Also Blackswan does not come off as a natural Kpop group, not because of their race but more so because of what I just listed. The cultural aspect is important. If they want to do better they need to adhere to East Asias cultural customs more. To me this is very important because now it feels like I'm just watching a pop group from the west. The fact that this group was formed in Korea but doesn't feel like it is a big red flag. People love to say Kpop is just Pop in Korean. Well obviously it's not just that because Blackswan is failing because of the very reason that Kpop uses a lot of Korean culture that they don't portray well. 2nd Point: I'm sorry but they can't even hold a candle to other 4th generation Kpop groups. People keep making excuses for the members saying the reason why they are failing is because of the company, and yeah the company plays some part in it, but quite literally they don't dance too well, their raps/singing are subpar, they don't have chemistry with each other, and they don't have much stage presence. You cannot blame all of these things on a company. If something is your passion you are good at it. Even with other groups like BTS, SKZ etc. they were already ABOVE in terms of talent even though they came from NOTHING. For example Shuhua from G-IDLE was known for not having any stage presence and she was in a Kpop group for a bit (this is based off of what I read), and their company definitely had more budget, so budget is not necessarily a blocker for talent and skill. The other members of G-IDLE were always very good with stage presence because they worked for it. Now I am hearing a lot of compliments towards Shuhua. Again, I'm sorry, but Fatou is not the best 4th gen rapper, Sriya is not the best 4th main dancer by even the top 50. The newest member lacks in vocals, and Gabi is kind of just there. Nothing really special besides their diversity which leads me to my 3rd point. 3rd Point: Their diversity is their form of "talent" as this point. Yes they are diverse ethnically and racially, but to me it just feels like Blackswans fans are using their diversity as a way to say they have talent, or are lying to make themselves feel better. Seriously, if this was any other Asian Kpop group they would get torn to shreds about how little stage presence they have, they would not stand a CHANCE in the industry. It is just not giving man, truthfully. I feel like Blackswans fans need to be honest with them so the Blackswan members can improve. All I see on their comments from the fans are "BEST 4TH GEN DANCER", "BEST SINGER", and it's like no, put them in a battle between another Asian Kpop group and they would lose so fast. That's one of the differences in culture too. Asian people are required to do more culturally since a young age, therefor they are able to withstand more training and have a lot of talents at a young age. Not to say other races don't have this but as I said it's ingrained culturally, so even Asians themselves want to be the best of the best, specifically East Asians love to be good at dancing. 4th Point: Bad management. Their management sucks, just seems like a diversity grab. Don't know why the managers aren't telling them that they look kind of cringe sometimes and need to improve, it's just all bad. Anyways that's the reason why they are failing.
I disagree with the charisma part. 0T3 Judy/Fatou/ Youngheun was top tier. They got along so well, and Fatou and Youngheun still interact with each other. They should have been endgame, IMO. And if there needed to be 5, add Shreya and the new vocalist (sorry, Gabi, the other girl is a better vocalist) and Endgame. I also disagree with the first point cause let's not forget Blackswan is like, what the 4th version of Rania. An all East Asian group minus 2 girls in the end before rebranding to BlackSwan? This company and this group have been a mess for over a decade, and it doesn't have anything to do with the members' nationalities nor lack of East Asian flare. I get where you're coming from with talent wise, but they had potential. There are and were groups that are and were in the same boat as BS talent wise but didn't have as many problems and reached more goals, not because they lacked talent(I can pick out some very successful groups who are on the top of the charts with members lacking in skills, and some whole groups, that reached moderate success ) with little talent and a decent management team) lastly I agree DR Music should pack it up when it comes to managing. They're doing the same thing to BS that they were doing to rania, and its getting played out.
I genially get your point but I think the thing with being passionate about something is related to your race . Maybe you didn’t mean it that way but I don’t think that blacjswan are not passionate just because they aren’t East Asian like there are A LOT of people who want to be THE best of the best and aren’t Asian . Also not every Asian wants necessarily to be best
lol yes. The company will never disband them . They will keep adding more members and they are doing it right now. It looks like they wanna debut another girl group but I won't be supporting it because of how horrible they will be treated.
unfortunately, i feel like the group was always destined to fail and the company just... hasn't done anything well. if a bigger company tried to do a more "international" concept, it might actually work, because i think you need a lot of money, good management, marketing, and promotion, and this company just doesn't have that.
Company needs to take action,a group with 3 idols without no korean member? Just because Leia is in Brazil,they continued to have a comeback without her,lmao no group ever did that. I can see them going no where in future but i really hope they do get successful.
I feel like when you talked about people hating non korean idols in kpop this is a different problem like I'm okay with people that are non korean in kpop I think it's cool but this group literally took out all the korean members and it's now a international group 🙃 that's kinda messed up to me. But at the end of the day we can't Do anything about it.
Yeah I don;t care if it sound racist but if there no korean memeber in a group, it not KPOP. Kpop is korean pop so how is it korean when everyone not korean? They can sing in Korean all they want but it just odd to me. I want at least 1 korean memeber even if she mix. I stop listening to them when there was no more korean in the group.
@@bobbysmith8095 I think you should care about sounding racist 💀 and it’s called kpop because the music is sang in Korean, not all members need to be Korean but I kind of agree with some of what you said; I feel like if they had at least one Korean member, it would be nice.
@@bobbysmith8095 There's no possible way that you could have sounded racist. Nothing you said was even about race, just a music genre and language And I agree. The company even calls them a global pop group, not kpop. They know as well. Karachi is more of a kpop group than them because at least they have a Korean member But even without any Korean members, they're still a group and if the music is good, why not give it a listen? Nationality shouldn't be a reason to hear out or like a song
@@ryuean It is because we live in 2020 where everyone always butt hurt about everything. Everything need to be politically correct. I don;t care about that shit cuz it my opinion. I can have my own view and believes and know I am not racist, sexest, etc just cuz I am not 100% politically correct. Yes, Kpop is name for sining in Korean with some English in it but honestly it was it created in Korea for Korean people intended with Korean people. They only add other races to attract foreign markets and make more money. It was always intended to just be for korean first. So to have a group call Kpop and no one is Korean, to me, just don;t make sense. The music came from Korean people and you want to remove all the memeber. It just my opinion but I don;t want a Kpop group with no Korean memeber. Then that just a pop group not kpop group.
@@LovelyKissess True, I should give them a chance if their music is good. Sadly, in this case, I just can;t support them even if the music is good. The whole thing just leave a bad taste in my mouth. Kicking the korean people out of a Korean Pop group just sound wrong. I don;t know the full story but I don;t think the company care to give a real honest story about what happen. So I just pass on this drama.
With the history of the company and Rania (what Blackswan was called formerly) it was obvious that the group was bound to fail. The company is trash through and through.
DR's history made this obvious from the day Blackswan debuted. I'm genuinely shocked they still have investors who are willing to dish out money into their groups when EVERY. SINGLE. GROUP. has unfortunately flopped. All the members have been talented and worthy of success but they keep choosing the wrong company to debut under. I feel for them but this was not a surprise in the least bit.
They aren't going to make it far. Disbanding is on the horizon or at least, new lineup switches. Having no Korean member in a KOREAN industry is honestly a bad move. We all know having the Korean general public on your side is detrimental to overall success. It's just the facts. The industry is already oversaturated with girl groups and the competition is FIERCE. Every 4th gen gg rn are exceptionally talented. And BS can't compete, especially with DR managing them. And then you add all the scandals and drama since their debut and it's just bad news. BS doesn't seem to have chemistry with each other either, more so now that the other two members are gone. Anyways, there should be balance. If 4/7 girls were Korean and the other 3 were forgeiners it would be better, but not a single member is Korean, it comes across as ungenuine
Right being in a KPop industry which is based in South Korea, you need to have atleast 2 or half Korean members in the group. That was one of the biggest reason of them not getting much attention in Korea than internationally. Then all the drama comes and you were on point when you said no chemistry between the members. I hope they will be successful individually in case they disband.
I'm really mad at this. Blackswan already has a bad name as 'kpop fans getting kpop treatment' which I guess i can understand. But also having to face racism. And now Fatou has to be stuck with a gremlin bitch who literally was the one BULLYING HER. Judy and Yongheun were the only people who could protect her. DR entertainment needs to step it up.. this is so tiring and fustrating.
DR Music should realize that they aren't capable of manage a group and move on. This is happening since Rania and they keep making the same mistakes over again. This won't last because no one can stand mistreatment.
The label can't even managed Rania, after the group went through a lot of member lineup changes, and rebranded the group, the group have a successful debut but after Hyemi was accused of something, she left also because of her contract expired, came back with Close to Me, added two more members making the group 6 members, bit instead DR Music instead went with the graduation and admission system which has now ruined the group's reputation, I hope the members reunite with Youngheun and Judy again and redebut as a group with a new name under a new label, DR Music has pissed me off since they debut them as the 3rd generation of BabyVox, they will never learnthat the graduation system will the ruin the group, seriously I don't want yhese girls to suffer like 9muses and K-Tigers their label mates who went through many lineup changes
@@rosieosabutey1448 9muses had suffered like this throughout their career as a group, because of the graduation system, like original members Jaekyung (left after No Playboy promotions), Hyuna 3rd leader of the group while promoting Drama (whom I have as considered as original member rather than Jaekyung's replacement, left along with two original members Minha and Euaerin after Sleepless Night promotions), Rana 1st leader of the group & Bini (left in 2011 after No Playboy promotions), LeeSem, Eunji & Sera 2nd leader of the group (left after Glue promotions), Minha and Euaerin (left in 2016 after Sleepless Night promotions) left, whereas Hyemi original member remaining from the beginning and 4th leader of the group, Gyeongri (who joined in 2011 for News promotions), Sungah (who was added in late 2012 for Dolls promotions), two new members Sojin & Keumjo (who were added in 2014 for Drama promotions) stayed in the group till their disbandment in 2019
Once fatou leave the whole most of the fandom gonna leave with her my bias was hyeme still is once she left or w.e i wasn't really interested but i stayed because of fatou, judy and youngheun once judy and youngheun left i was like wow okay and really lost interest so i haven't been umm following along with the group since that was my last straw
Various lineups of blackswan have been trying to debut for what, a decade now? Feels that way. Why does their company keep trying to REBOOT blackswan/Rania instead of just giving up and starting a new group with a clean slate? Literally no other Kpop group in history has tried this hard to keep the ball rolling when the ball is literally a cube and just will not roll, Because it wastes money, resources, and the members lives. Just restart.
Putting it simply, kpop is supposed to have Korean members for the simple fact that its Korean pop. as the years have gone by other east asians and even some southeast asians have been added into kpop groups because they fit into that “korean” look. My problem is how are they going to call themselves a kpop group when there are no members who resemble that. If they’re going for an international appeal, they should do what z-girls did. They didn’t call themselves kpop because there were no koreans in the group, instead they marketed as a genz group “Z-pop”
You’re telling me !!! Sriya who is freaking talented af !! And her family is financially unstable went all the way to Korea !!! Didn’t join college to become an idol !!!
It's just the fact that the company convinced us things would be different this time, only for them to sabotage their group again and again and again. It's like watching a trainwreck, and it's sad to see so much wasted potential. The company is so irresponsible and disorganized.
I feel like the company has already given up on them and is trying to milk them as much as possible until they'll have to disband which is sad because the members are really cool. One thing that bothers me is where you talk about how kpop fans prefer east asian idols since you also listed Lisa and Bambam as examples. As far as I know they aren't East Asians
If they're gonna remove members in 2 years it sounds like Dr music is trying not to pay them. Think about it. How long does it take for kpop groups to start seeing profits or their paychecks (after debt payed off). Dr music is small company. Idk their finances but they probably don't have as much. Plus their groups aren't as successful.
@@Reveswan I stumbled upon a Fifth Harmony clip (idk how fat in their career were) where they were addressing fan comments on why some members were thrift shopping. They explained that they we're earning much and in fact we're doing worse off financially once they joined the x factor than before. Idk if that's an old clip, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't earn much through their career despite how big and successful they were - only cause I stumbled a TLC clip that explained they were legit broke despite selling millions of albums. If western artists aren't earning much at the height of their career then it's bad news for Korean artists, bc kpop is notorious for having low wages for their idols. For big and ultra successful acts like BOA ( made it big in Japan) and EXO ( made it big in China) to have a net worth of 10-15 million (per member) is too small for a 10 year career. Many western artists who do eventually earn, earn more than that.
I didn't watch or listen to BP Rania, but I heard they've went through lots of lineup changes. If DR Music is gonna continue with this model with Blackswan then they're gonna ruin the group. Many supporters (esp Black fans) are here for Fatou. If she leaves, they will too. That's probably why sneaky DR Music got another Black member. They know that support from the Black int community is big. On one hand I can understand that while DR was training new members, it cost them money. But DR needs to sell more products for fans to consume to sustain their company Blackswan cbs are infrequent. At least if YG has a cb for Blackpink every year or two, the girls have multiple cfs and sponsorships/ brand deals so they're still earning a wage (way more than kpop would ever pay). Blackswan members need work to earn a living. I wouldn't be surprised if they're broke. They barely have events and performances, let alone music releases.
If Blackswan fails like rania then DR really needs to think about how they manage and promote groups. Like it so hard to see talented artist who have a slim chance in the industry anyway getting slapped around and not even given a fair chance at being idols. I know a lot of people aren’t down for non-east Asian kpop idols but I have a glimpse of hope because of blackswan.
I still don't get why they keeping Lea in the group. After, all the drama she caused and is still causing behind the scenes. As a manager/producer would have definitely terminated her contract and kicked her out of the group. But we gonna lose so many Brazilian fans, they don't even buy their albums in the first place nor they have so many views to say OMG!! She's vital or sum.
bcs she has a HUGE fanbase and majority of the group success was bcs of brazilian fans, as a br myself i can say she’s fully pampered here and maybe dr is scared the group would lose popularity
it seems pretty stupid to defend Leia just because she is Brazilian, she is very problematic, I don't know if blackswan fans who don't speak portuguese usually see Leia's posts, but she complains a lot about the group, it seems she has no consideration for anyone I honestly don't understand why she doesn't leave soon
The company so weird they're supposed to leave member stay together for a long time that how successful will come they're keep leaving and invent new members this wasting talent and time for girl I'm feel sorry for blackswan
They just need to drop a song tbh. Like I feel that's their best option. JUST DROP THE FUCKING SONG. Like they keep hinting of studio time, but like just give us a song. Just one song will save y'all image.
like i get that some of yall think that there should be a korean member in the group, but some of yall are taking it a bit far. kpop wouldn't exist without foreign music ie rap. so to say that they are going to be completely written off because they have no korean members is silly. they won't be able to make it because they're company is shit and doesn't manage them properly. if you wanna say that they won't be superstars like bts and blackpink because they don't have korean members, i would agree more with that because a HUGE population of koreans is hella xenophobic. but a foreigner/kpop group full of foreigners could absolute make a comfortable living. they wouldn't have to know the language and culture right out the gate. that's what the training period is for. this discussion happens so often and it honestly makes my skin crawl reading the comments
it’s not even kpop there’s no korean members and that makes me mad because i feel like if it’s kpop there should be at least a korean member. what’s the point of being a kpop group if your not even popular in korea?? you mind as well be a american they would get way more recognization.
After the absolute disaster that Rania was (concerning the management, not the members of course), I was worried for Blackswan but tried to be optimistic... But yeah, that company clearly has issues, and I honestly don't trust them on managing anything.
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What is happening to Blackswan: It's simple, they're Falling apart.
I was literally about to comment that.
@Oli London x Jimin Ur joking right??? 😭
@@hyejooo Look at their username. Def a troll LMAOOO
They have been falling apart ever since Rania
Ever since Baby Vox lost their hype in SK market and then decide to tap in the US market like they did in China and Thailand which is the success, they hope for the same result. From there they dig more rabbit holes starting from Rania and now they're using Black, Latin American and the largest population market of all India due to the foreigner validation from those cultures. No actual planning for the group rather they just throw random things to the wall and see which one will stick, this is why they reshuffling members every single time. At this point the business are still kicking possibility due to money laundering, construction companies and entertainment agency goes hand in hand on shady practices
Blackswan is so unorganized and unkept. It's kind of like we never know what to expect next. As much as i hate to say this... I dont see Blackswan being successful. I agree with everything you said.
I don't think they will get anywhere because of the company not being able to even do their job right
kicking leia out would be a start, but they won't even do that
@@shineinstars wow, what a solution.
If u love Fatou so much, why you want her in the group and not Leia?
@@dgls127 leia started bullying rumours about fatou who didnt do anything wrong, i think leia is just bringing drama and rumours to attract more attention to their group for publicity but she did it in the wrong mattet within the wrong morals.
I agree
When Judy and Heun left they called it a “graduation system”, and they only lasted a year. So by the logic of DR Fatou will be leaving soon, taking away most of the fandom with her
I hope she leaves bc honestly they will never make a good living of being under this group!!
@@nerd23x no but frrr, à fully non-popular east asian group its members, most of the time cant even make a living out of being an idol, so most of them work parttime jobs. I just cant imagine how much they are barely making
they obviously left on their own, wtf do they mean graduation system? they don’t even do that in kpop, the only artists i know who’s done that is after school and it failed.
@@yvesus7 exactly they don't
This group had sooo much potential ugh
I knew this was going to happen
Crap company stays being a crap company
Ikr
Potential to disband? Yeah
@@scarlett9750 potential that your mom hates you? Yeah
@@sebisebi-d2w stop being salty lol this group was doomed from the start, bye bye blackswan
It’s sad. The girls deserved better. I’ll support them all individually (except Leia) when the group eventually disbands. In the meantime, with no comebacks, a shitty company, and Leia bringing an insufferable amount of drama, I really don’t find myself caring about the group anymore.
Understandable
Agreed
That girl is back ?
@@sould3485 She never left unfortunately
Man, Leia really didn't do anything wrong. As always you Americans ignoring Brazilians 💀
Edit: Bitches, read the other comments. I'm not going to explain anything more for you guys, I tried to be polite, but you guys are so... UGH.
Honestly, I just assumed the "graduation" system was just an excuse to let the two girls go. DR Music is clearly all about trying to be "different" by having such a wide variety of different girls (which would be fine if they could actually manage a group well and weren't just solely trying to do it for the sake of doing it). So if they let Judy and Youngheun go that opens the door for more potential girls. Also, having a so-called graduation system also makes it sound like if anyone leaves this group that has a tendency to lose members they can just say "That's okay! We have a graduation system, remember? They left because it was just their time and not because of any real issues!"
After all, when you look past the Blackswan members and include Rania/BP Rania members were constantly departing. At least by claiming that they have a graduation concept it makes it not look so shady. The issue is no one really likes that concept for kpop lol.
Paid little to no attention to them*
Yeah, agreed 100%. The only graduation systems I’ve seen working out is in Japan with idol groups like AKB48 and with vtubers because they’ve established those systems from the start. Meanwhile in Korea, there’s a 7 year contract unless the members end up ending their contracts early due to various reasons, so having a graduation system works against them. Everyone expects a group to stay together for a few years before the dreaded contract expiration so to have this system in a field with 7 year contracts, it just feels off imo
I’m thinking that the “graduation system” was their attempt to save face because the two members wanted to terminate their contracts and not that the company wanted to let them go
@@bubba94290 I could honestly see that being true as well. I think when I made the comment I remembered someone commenting somewhere that one of the two girls responded to a question stating the company actually made the decision and not them, but I obviously could be wrong. I spent the last couple of minutes trying to find it but for the life of me I can't lmao. So it definitely could be one or the other.
Regardless, it definitely feels like a way for the company to save face.
@@bubba94290 Yep, you are right
Their debut era is so Perfect 😭
Ikr😭😭😭
And now they r back with a bop 💥
Yes, but sadly it won't be long until something else happens.
I just really hope Judy & Youngheun debut in a new group under a better company, hopefully they will find themselves in the top of a survival show or something. They rlly deserve it
They are both doing their own thing now. Judy is doing modeling and Youngheun is now streaming. They don't wanna be idols
@@kkentaii ah ok i respect them for that 🤍
Youngheun's group disbanded once and thenshe entered BS and now she left I'm sure she's not gonna debut again after all the shit
My guess is Fatou's going to stick it out for the comeback and new member introductions, then dip like Judy and Youngheun did.
Yep
:(
@@jazzycat2990 This is so upsetting
i really wanted to stan this group
the "graduation" was a last straw for me
Same here, I don't want this system, 9muses suffered a lot as a group because of the label going with this system, the group never got a 1st music show throughout their career because of the constant member lineup changes, Moon Hyuna was added after Jaekyung left in 2010 the year that 9muses debut, Gyeongri was added in 2011 after Rana and Bini left, Sungah was added in for Dolls promotions which was the best year in 2013 as a group, but again in 2014 original members LeeSem, Eunji and Sera left, the same year Sojin and Keumjo were added for 2015 comeback Drama, in 2016 2 original members Minha and Euaerin left the group follow by Hyuna who also left the same year, in 2017 the group continue as 5 with Pyo Hyemi as the only original member remaining in the group but Sungah went on a hiatus so the group release new misic as 4 members, in 2019 the group disbanded
no group has ever lasted or went well when a graduation system was in place so yeah i’m unstanning too
You can do That NOW.....
I'm still rooting for Fatou, but I gave up when Youngheun and Judy left :( They were close to Fatou so the girls (aside from Leia) had a really good energy together on stage. Youngheun was also previously a trainee under the Entertainment Pascal (aka the agency that exploited Stellar) for five years, then she goes to DR and gets treated like dirt again :(
Blackswan was a group that had a lot of potential. But with poor management their group is falling apart. They’ve had to many line up changes and also lack of comebacks. They should debut under a different company that can properly manage them and give them proper comebacks. I really hope everything turns out right for this group.
I don't understand what it is with this generation of record labels and companies that would rather do anything and everything other than their job, which is to get their artist to release music. This isn't only happening with groups like Black Swan but it's happening with major artists like Normani and Chloe Bailey. Like it isn't that complicated 2 + 2 is always going to make four. Release some dang music.
The amount of stories i read about nugu groups/idols having to do most of the work/promotions/reservations/arrangements themselves rather than their company is honestly so irritating.
At this point i’m sure most companies are a front for money laundering like that makes so much more sense to me :\
@@glowrillaz Definitely Money laundering.
are you Nigerian
I truly love this group they make me stan kpop more… but the company is trash… Leia is ruining the group I don’t care what anyone says she must have information on the company because she’s been there since she was like 15 and apparently her family has gave them money before so that’s why DR won’t let her go when they really need to! Sriya is bringing new fans and strong stans to the group we don’t need anymore mess she is Indians first kpop idol that’s kinda a big thing for south Asians. I just hope this comeback/debut grips them tighter to success and more fans because i truly love their diversity and style
@Sayma Khan she’s ruining the group by not caring about being an idol, she’s been to Brazil 2 times this year for her “mental health” yet she’s seen in clubs partying and posting on her stories saying she’s fine and doesn’t know if group is even still a group… Fatou already said she caught Leia saying she will ruin the group on the phone to her friend, Leia is a problem she just needs to leave but she clearly won’t for what ever reason dr won’t let her go so it’s just ruining the group and their image, if this was a big company this won’t be happening at all she wouldn’t dare
@Sayma Khan You have a lot to catch on
Totally agreed.
@MACHI Music Nah, he will just keep adding more and more people since blackswan is literally a rebrand of Rania
@@Boonies leia voltou para o Brasil porque a empresa mandou ela para lá, e o que tem demais ir é uma balada, leia foi vista na balada quando foi visitar a família dela, agora a empresa está mandou ela para todo Brasil para cuidar de sua saúde mental
i hate to be this kind of person but the only option here is honestly disbandment and dr music shut down. they can redebut, they have potential, but they cannot be under dr music anymore. whoever’s working there who’s managing blackswan should not be in the idol management industry
I'd literally pay for DR to shutdown and never open or rebrand again🤣🤣🤣. And people still can't be auditioning for this crap company thinking their dreams will come true🤷🏽♀️. I feel bad for Gabi and Sriya who made headlines in their countries for making it into kpop only for DR to clown around
This rlly sucks for Gabi and Sriya
Honestly, I'm exhausted at this point.
This is the very first group I loved with my whole body lmao, I was staying so late just to stream, I could write an essay about all the members, I just love Blackswan so much, and even bought my first kpop album thanks of them.
But since the company is irresponsible and seems to enjoy ruining their groups, they didn't handle scandals their gremlin named Leia made and kept the girl even tho she kept doing weird things. Because they had their hands full with scandals on the left and the right, they couldn't even manage the group correctly and most of all they couldn't give any attention to Youngheun and Judy.
And it's already not easy to manage a group when you're not a big company and have foreign members (especially because of racists).
So yeah, our girls left and good for them honestly, don't know any idol who would love to stay in a group where on of your members keep talking sh*t about you and pretend everything is ok and they do it again and again, and a CEO who don't care about you at all.
Now, I wish to my beloved Fatou to leave this hell of a company and for Shreya and Gabi to have a bright future as idols because they're really talented and I love them.
If I have to name one company that waste talents, I would instantly name DR Music. They had everything ans couldn't handle it.
I feel so bad giving all my energy while the company treat us and the idols so bad... They pulled a "graduation system" out of nowhere and it was it.
Wth honestly, I'm so hurt. Fatou, Shreya and Gabi are so talented and really get along like sisters but the company really sucks... I miss Youngheun and Judy, I miss them being with Fatou, I miss their energy and vibe. This is so sad.
If this was the first group that you Stan then I feel sorry for you, all of the members are flops lol stan actually good and pretty girl groups like new jeans
Also fatou is holding on to that shitty company because once she leaves she will no longer be a Kpop idol lol her career is over
@@princesskatie4467 Seriously? That wasn't necessary
@@princesskatie4467 idk what you're doing here if all members are flops lol, I personally wouldn't eve, bother responding to other fandom's comments from a group I don't stan and that I will call flop but I guess you have a lot of time in your hands.
@@princesskatie4467 why are you so bitter😭😭
Judy was my favorite 😢
this is actually so sad. im a nugu enthusiast. i love small groups and i love supporting them. this, this hurts my heart. i find this one of the coolest girl groups in existaence. i think its amazing that they bring foreigners into kpop, which proves kpop is universal and isnt restricted to just koreans. i sympathize with you, i almost cried when youngheun left (shes my bias too, gabi is one of my new biases, shryia close behind!) but i hate the graduation system too. we luminas just have to stay strong
I don't see any bright future for Gabi and Sriya too being in this group, DR really wasting these girls time and no korean member will be a problem. And now liea in her hometown and BlackSwan going ahead with the comeback without her. I stanned them when they debuted and i really thought they gonna be successful cuz they were different but one by one members started leaving. Some new fans came cuz of gabi and sriya but don't know what a fucked up company dr is and have Sriya and Gabi future in risk. I hope dr gets right in their mind and plan something for this group, cuz I will not be surprised people leaving.
whats interesting is (to my knowledge) theres never been a group thats had mainstream success that switches members out repeatedly or has a graduation concept besides nct when they first debuted and even then, sm abandoned the idea after a few years lol. fandoms get attached to the actual idols of a group and the chemistry the group have together, switching it up every couple years just makes it feel like your a part of the cullen family going through highschool, nobody sticks around long enough for you to get the change to actually form a relationship with them.
Only destiny’s child
Lol
Afterschool was under pledis and had a graduation system..they were extremely popular during their peak however they definitely would've been more popular without the graduation system
Dr.Music should've stuck by the ORIGINAL lineup. Hyeme,Larissa,Fatou, Youngheun and Judy...that was the golden lineup. I saw it falling apart the moment Hyeme left.
It’s sad that when we get diversity in kpop with blackswan, that it doesn’t turn out well. With members leaving drama, etc. I really want the best for this group bc seeing girls who look like me singing kpop makes me feel inspired, but it’s also disappointing that this is what happened and is happening.
I wish Fatou Judy and Youngheun could have been in a trio group under a way better company 😭
That would have been fire tbh
i can’t imagine putting years of your life and money into training to finally debut, only to find out it was all for nothing. idols, and all artists in general, need more laws to protect them.
"i wish the best for fatou, gabi, and sriya.....leia too i guess.." HELP GET HER REVESWAN
They came to Korea to be treated like this💀
i was so upset when we got the news that youngheun and judy had left (and leia stayed??). first of all i loved them and with that line up they really had something special, i thought finally blackswan formerly rania is going to succeed. second of all... without any korean members in the group they will struggle forever, even with fatou's power and fandom... judy and youngeun were like anchors for the group.
the sudden graduation concept is just stupid and i don't think that was ever the plan. its DR trying desperately to make it seem like they aren't incompetent. now it's not "the girls quit for (insert bad reason here)" or "we're firing our members for no reason", it's "they *graduated*, this is how it's *supposed* to be". do they think people will not see straight through that considering their history? get real dude.
it just disappoints me so much. i am not optimistic for the future of blackswan. it sucks because i just want these women to succeed. and to be honest if fatou "graduates" i will probably lose all interest in blackswan because she's my bias. but if she does "graduate" i truly hope she finds success elsewhere, she deserves better than what she's been given. they all do.
in an alternate timeline youngheun and judy stayed in the group, leia took her ass back home, they added sriya and gabi, and kept releasing banger music and gaining fans... sigh
With 'Close to me' I really thoguht they were on to a solid career, not huge but solid, with a stable fanbase and all of that. And then...
Yeah, they started getting attention from k netizens
DR finally ruin Blackswan like they did to Rania they never learn the past mistake and repeat it over and over. Actually I can't see their future since Younghuen and Dahye left the group
Their company is literally repeating the same mistakes and mismanagement that happened to Rania.
I think part of the good feeling we have with idols is because of their cultural customs, even those who don't come from korea tend to respect a lot and act like such, I think the biggest problem for me trying to get closer to blackswan was the discomfort of not seeing these customs respected (mainly by Leia) I didn't feel like seeing a kpop group, it was just a mess, I respect the idea and I think the industry has a lot to improve but I think blackswan has already failed
Please make the video about the Fatou and leia situation. I would love to hear your take on that
I loved Blackswan, I loved their last comeback it was so catchy and felt like they were starting to gain a good amount of traction, I also loved watching Young Heun, Judy, and Fatou’s chemistry and watching their lives :( it hurts a lot cuz I was cheering for them so much and as a fan I was so hopeful for them. I just wanted them to succeed but now I don’t even know what exactly I’m stanning anymore
It’s weird how they kicked out the only two Korean members just to make them the “only” group where all members are foreigners.
Would Blackswan be considered a kpop group even without the Korean members?
@@seanb.8376 They still are a kpop group since they are from a Korean company, sing in Korean and promote in Korea
@@seanb.8376 yeah. It’s not about the people, but which language they sing in.
I am frankly worried about new girls
Same here !
@MACHI Music I understand people wants to see Korean members there in the kpop group. But I don't this it's anyway fault of sriya or gabi. Becoming next kaachi? I think it's not a right term to use as everyone comes with their own fate and destiny. Let's hope for best for both of them as they really put in their all to get to the place they are at and they have a long way to go.
@MACHI Music honestly at this point kaachi is even better than bs lmao have you seen their get up remake? it ATE bs one up
@@maria.lsoares Sadly nope , kaachi never promoting in Korean music show & under korean agency like Blackswan did lmao not even same stop comparing lol
@Oli London x Jimin Koreans will steer clear from DR Music, with GOOD reasons!
Ur commentary is so true, I wish only the best for their future but I'm also sad because Judy was my bias ))-: I'm kinda losing interest in them but I streamed Close To Me SO much you have no idea, idc what people say about the production that song was so good imo (I just wish they kept Fatou's rap on the Spotify version)
The worst thing is that I remember saying 'I feel like the new rebranded RaNia, will actually have a really stable line-up', back when "Tonight" dropped
complaining bcs they don't have a korean member is probably a fetish when it comes to western community but for korean people is justified bcs it's... kpop. they want at least 1 who is one of them. many korean people told me it's not a big deal but it does feel weird. secret number even got 1 who's barely good at anything bcs they knew it would be a problem
I thought most of secret number members were korean
@@rosieosabutey1448 not when they debuted. Idk if Denise was born in korea but she was way more American than Korean anyway and the other members were definitely not born in korea
@@RougeLino Denise is not in the group anymore
sorry I worded that wrong. when I was talking abt fetishziation I meant the hate the fatou, sriya, and gabi face just for existing as non-eastasian idols. I don't have an opinion on there being no korean members since I'm not Korean.
@@rosieosabutey1448 reread the 1st sentence of my 1st reply
DR has the worst marketing strategy I have ever seen
The CEO is dumb 😂😂😂
@@Very_demure_very_mindful I swear he is just wasting home girls time he is not connected and doesn't know how to get connected the gurls are talented and beautiful but they are in the wrong company jyp or yg will do better
@@CRINGETOPIA850 but I like pnation
The graduation concept is like telling fans: No... do not stick around, whoever you love will be gone at the next comeback.
Blackswan falling apart was kind of inevitable, especially with a company who are known for their shadiness and lack of communication. At least they announced the members leaving this time and didn’t just put new girls in the lineup with no introduction like they did with Rania/BP Rania. The whole graduation thing seems more like a cover up for when the members just up and leave like they’ve done in the past, ploopy has 2 really good videos covering their entire history and once you know that it makes sense why they’re falling apart now
This reminds me of when it was still Rania. When demonstrate came out they had the last 3 og's in it for new member and then they bounced. It's very Dr music fashion. I stanned Rania and hoped better for this group. Smh
I agree with all the points you made in this video
i mean what can you expect from a group who had changed 23 members over 11 years🙁
I know that they Black Swan and not RaNia, but if I remember correctly they introduced that “graduation concept” after members run away left and right. This seems to be their logical response to contract termination or in RaNia’s case straight up fleeing. And it sucks, Black swan was never intended to be a rotational group because they didn’t say that at the beginning. We knew that and they knew that. It’s such unfair to the members and Lumina as a whole. DR had always problems with communication and being upfront, we saw that in the Leia and Fatou situation before the departure of Youngheun and Judy.
I feel you it been a year they released a cb and fatou talked abt it on twt ( idk if she delete it) but im rlly sad bc i stan them since a year, i always support them and defend with my whole heart. They were my ult gg i always watched all her content all day ect , promoting them , streaming(sometimes), when judy and heun left ( they were my bias) i was super sad and i lost motivation.Fans(luminas) on twt were super mad sad and most of bs fan acc deleted their acc bc of that and they were tired of wanting for nothing ( i understand them sm). I couldnt focus on kpop bc of that bc i couldnt be happy the same as b4 when they left i miis them so much esspcialy for heun. I took a long kpop break now im back and i cant see how happy i was b4 even dancing :( I wish they can all leave that stupid ass company
The problem is people liking groups for all the wrong reasons. They like the group for who's in it and not what the group has to offer.
People claim to unstan blackpink because of lack of comebacks, but with Blackswan, it's okay and the company is the problem (which is true) but they ignore how little they give
They're a very diverse group and it attracted a the fake woke people for one. That was already a fail
The company has been horrible since 2011 (Whenever Rania debuted) and that's not going to change. They're just going to ride off the back of their non Korean members.
At this point they're not even a kpop group anymore. And with ZERO Korean members, if they can still be considered one, then so can Karachi because at least they have a Korean member
There's a lot of underrated groups that give 10x more than Blackswan and company does a whole lot better and the members actually appear to get along and are sticking together that people can support. A lot that also deserve attention and help in order to avoid disbandment
Blackswan will only have a fail chance if they leave Dr Music and another company might not take a full non Korean group so they might have to go independent, which honestly would still be better than being under that company
If they disband, I'll be happy for them because they don't have a fair chance where they are. I also know that DR will not give up and will hold on with every thread and just keep losing and adding members and changing names
I would love to see them do better but I've been a fan since Rania and the company is still doing the same ol crap. They'll never thrive, sadly
What is a fake woke people?
@@zariagoza People who pretend they care about peoples problems and support blm, lgbtq, feminism, ect. But they only do it to seem woke because it gets them attention online OR Because they see everyone else doing it
Completely agree. It's just not going to work. A non-Korean group promoting in the K-industry is not a smart move. The industry is already oversaturated and the competition is fierce. We all know that having the Korean general public on your side is detrimental to success, why would they stan BS when they could stan New Jeans, itzy, or IVE. There are so many exceptional groups and artists out there rn, and i'll be honest, BS are mid─at best. Having hype solely based on being foreign is simply not going to cut it
@@Ellie-nv5vf Exactly. I mean I would love to see diversity, but I'd prefer of those people were Korean mixed and born. That way they understand how Korea works
You don’t have to be Korean to sing K-pop. All kpop is is pop in Korean. They are singing Korean and promoting in Korea therefore they are a K-pop group….
I’m hoping for fatou to go solo, and youngyeun and Judy to have successful careers along with Gabi and synra (I dunno how to say her name). I hope leia actually reflects on her actions because she messed up the group dynamic.
As an Indian, Black swan got my attention because of Shreya. But frankly speaking after seeing few of their work, I felt something is missing or not right. I didn’t feel any chemistry between them and their interviews were also awkward. and sorry but I felt that they never gonna succeed. still I hoped for the best as they were still trainees and they will improve in the future. I was surprised when I watched this video because I was not following them.
The best thing to do first would be for them to kick out Leia.
Now they have Sriya, Fatou, and Gabi. The best thing would be to add 2 Korean members, because an all foreign kpop group is risky.
But DR is a crap company so I don't have high hopes
Fatou unfollowed DR and Leia as well as changed her bio
I only watch the content to know if fatou is free from the nonsense and mistreatment or not yet.
I really love this group they're one of the group that made me love kpop and seeing them fall apart like this really breaks my heart. They were perfect and diverse.
my life was broken to pieces when i found out my judy and youngheun were leaving.. i loved them so much. i still support fatou, she has my whole heart. but i do not consider myself lumina anymore. shreya and gabi are such sweet girls and i wish nothing but the best for them
8:50 That’s not just international fans btw. Korean Kpop fans are infamous for being rude to all the non-East Asian members (Hell they’ve been rude to any member who isn’t 100% Korean) you mentioned 😅 Just recently an IVE member has been rumored to be half Chinese and k-fans went nuts at it 💀
i've never really seen them be rude to non asian idols though. it seems like they just don't like mixed koreans, japanese, chinese and southeast asians, rather than complete non asians
@@myragingwhormoans They are. I’ve seen the racist comments thrown at Blackswan cause of Fatou, Leia, and Shereya being in the group. I see those types of comments more often than reasonable/loving comments for those girls. I’ve seen them bash black people & hispanics cause of the hate some hold for those girls. Some K-netz will have a problem with ANY idol if they aren’t 100% Korean. Asian or not. Korea isn’t as progressive as many think. Racism is still VERY abundant.
Worse still, it was Wonyoung, the most popular member and one of the best-known idols overall
@@mariadiallo5786 Right? She’s pretty much the face of 4th Gen by now and K-netz turned their backs the SECOND a rumor came out about her ethnicity. The racism and xenophobia run very deep in South Korea.
Their company being mismanaged is not the only thing that's the problem with this group, this is going to be a lengthy comment. There is no problem with there being foreign idols in Kpop (they are still considered a Kpop group in my eyes, I'll talk more about this later), even if the whole entire group is foreign. Kpop uses foreign influences anyways so not including other races doesn't make any sense. Of course the majority of Kpop should still cater towards Koreans and East Asians because in their countries that is WHO lives there and that should be the face of their country. Anywho here is the problem with Blackswan particularly.
1st Point: The fact of the matter is that the members of the group don't really have much chemistry, charisma or adhere to the KOREAN/EAST ASIAN CULTURE. I watched a few of their videos on their official channel, the behind the scene ones for example, and the "cuteness" that they are trying to portray somewhat comes off as cringe. It just feels incredibly forced. When you compare to other foreign Asian idols, specifically East Asian it just feels as if though they can blend in more with the culture because their cultures are more similar. If you are going to debut in Korea you have to portray the Korean culture at least just a little bit, that is what Kpop is primarily based on, it's not just the music it's also the culture. Also Blackswan does not come off as a natural Kpop group, not because of their race but more so because of what I just listed. The cultural aspect is important. If they want to do better they need to adhere to East Asias cultural customs more. To me this is very important because now it feels like I'm just watching a pop group from the west. The fact that this group was formed in Korea but doesn't feel like it is a big red flag.
People love to say Kpop is just Pop in Korean. Well obviously it's not just that because Blackswan is failing because of the very reason that Kpop uses a lot of Korean culture that they don't portray well.
2nd Point: I'm sorry but they can't even hold a candle to other 4th generation Kpop groups. People keep making excuses for the members saying the reason why they are failing is because of the company, and yeah the company plays some part in it, but quite literally they don't dance too well, their raps/singing are subpar, they don't have chemistry with each other, and they don't have much stage presence. You cannot blame all of these things on a company. If something is your passion you are good at it. Even with other groups like BTS, SKZ etc. they were already ABOVE in terms of talent even though they came from NOTHING. For example Shuhua from G-IDLE was known for not having any stage presence and she was in a Kpop group for a bit (this is based off of what I read), and their company definitely had more budget, so budget is not necessarily a blocker for talent and skill. The other members of G-IDLE were always very good with stage presence because they worked for it. Now I am hearing a lot of compliments towards Shuhua. Again, I'm sorry, but Fatou is not the best 4th gen rapper, Sriya is not the best 4th main dancer by even the top 50. The newest member lacks in vocals, and Gabi is kind of just there. Nothing really special besides their diversity which leads me to my 3rd point.
3rd Point: Their diversity is their form of "talent" as this point. Yes they are diverse ethnically and racially, but to me it just feels like Blackswans fans are using their diversity as a way to say they have talent, or are lying to make themselves feel better. Seriously, if this was any other Asian Kpop group they would get torn to shreds about how little stage presence they have, they would not stand a CHANCE in the industry. It is just not giving man, truthfully. I feel like Blackswans fans need to be honest with them so the Blackswan members can improve. All I see on their comments from the fans are "BEST 4TH GEN DANCER", "BEST SINGER", and it's like no, put them in a battle between another Asian Kpop group and they would lose so fast. That's one of the differences in culture too. Asian people are required to do more culturally since a young age, therefor they are able to withstand more training and have a lot of talents at a young age. Not to say other races don't have this but as I said it's ingrained culturally, so even Asians themselves want to be the best of the best, specifically East Asians love to be good at dancing.
4th Point: Bad management. Their management sucks, just seems like a diversity grab. Don't know why the managers aren't telling them that they look kind of cringe sometimes and need to improve, it's just all bad.
Anyways that's the reason why they are failing.
I disagree with the charisma part. 0T3 Judy/Fatou/ Youngheun was top tier. They got along so well, and Fatou and Youngheun still interact with each other. They should have been endgame, IMO. And if there needed to be 5, add Shreya and the new vocalist (sorry, Gabi, the other girl is a better vocalist) and Endgame. I also disagree with the first point cause let's not forget Blackswan is like, what the 4th version of Rania. An all East Asian group minus 2 girls in the end before rebranding to BlackSwan? This company and this group have been a mess for over a decade, and it doesn't have anything to do with the members' nationalities nor lack of East Asian flare. I get where you're coming from with talent wise, but they had potential. There are and were groups that are and were in the same boat as BS talent wise but didn't have as many problems and reached more goals, not because they lacked talent(I can pick out some very successful groups who are on the top of the charts with members lacking in skills, and some whole groups, that reached moderate success ) with little talent and a decent management team) lastly I agree DR Music should pack it up when it comes to managing. They're doing the same thing to BS that they were doing to rania, and its getting played out.
I genially get your point but I think the thing with being passionate about something is related to your race . Maybe you didn’t mean it that way but I don’t think that blacjswan are not passionate just because they aren’t East Asian like there are A LOT of people who want to be THE best of the best and aren’t Asian . Also not every Asian wants necessarily to be best
Damn people are really into writing these long ass paragraphs👏👏
My lil cousin wants to be an idol like fatou but I'm starting to think its a bad idea seeing how their treating blackswan
The only good thing that would come about them disbanding is that I wont have to see Leia anymore 💙
lol yes. The company will never disband them . They will keep adding more members and they are doing it right now. It looks like they wanna debut another girl group but I won't be supporting it because of how horrible they will be treated.
idc but I want Judy to debut and be in a better company
she's done with being an idol. she's a model now
unfortunately, i feel like the group was always destined to fail and the company just... hasn't done anything well. if a bigger company tried to do a more "international" concept, it might actually work, because i think you need a lot of money, good management, marketing, and promotion, and this company just doesn't have that.
Company needs to take action,a group with 3 idols without no korean member?
Just because Leia is in Brazil,they continued to have a comeback without her,lmao no group ever did that.
I can see them going no where in future but i really hope they do get successful.
@irenennez Youngheun will never come back. That's for sure
I feel like when you talked about people hating non korean idols in kpop this is a different problem like I'm okay with people that are non korean in kpop I think it's cool but this group literally took out all the korean members and it's now a international group 🙃 that's kinda messed up to me. But at the end of the day we can't Do anything about it.
Yeah I don;t care if it sound racist but if there no korean memeber in a group, it not KPOP. Kpop is korean pop so how is it korean when everyone not korean? They can sing in Korean all they want but it just odd to me. I want at least 1 korean memeber even if she mix. I stop listening to them when there was no more korean in the group.
@@bobbysmith8095 I think you should care about sounding racist 💀 and it’s called kpop because the music is sang in Korean, not all members need to be Korean but I kind of agree with some of what you said; I feel like if they had at least one Korean member, it would be nice.
@@bobbysmith8095 There's no possible way that you could have sounded racist. Nothing you said was even about race, just a music genre and language
And I agree. The company even calls them a global pop group, not kpop. They know as well.
Karachi is more of a kpop group than them because at least they have a Korean member
But even without any Korean members, they're still a group and if the music is good, why not give it a listen? Nationality shouldn't be a reason to hear out or like a song
@@ryuean It is because we live in 2020 where everyone always butt hurt about everything. Everything need to be politically correct. I don;t care about that shit cuz it my opinion. I can have my own view and believes and know I am not racist, sexest, etc just cuz I am not 100% politically correct. Yes, Kpop is name for sining in Korean with some English in it but honestly it was it created in Korea for Korean people intended with Korean people. They only add other races to attract foreign markets and make more money. It was always intended to just be for korean first. So to have a group call Kpop and no one is Korean, to me, just don;t make sense. The music came from Korean people and you want to remove all the memeber. It just my opinion but I don;t want a Kpop group with no Korean memeber. Then that just a pop group not kpop group.
@@LovelyKissess True, I should give them a chance if their music is good. Sadly, in this case, I just can;t support them even if the music is good. The whole thing just leave a bad taste in my mouth. Kicking the korean people out of a Korean Pop group just sound wrong. I don;t know the full story but I don;t think the company care to give a real honest story about what happen. So I just pass on this drama.
I think Fatou is leaving
why lol ?
@@RougeLino She tweeted "Imagine how tired I am". She unfollowed Blackswan official, the Ceo and even Leia
@@RougeLino She also unfollowed a brand that the group were promoting
Nah I think leia leaving of anything
She followed blackswan back
I'll say this and I'll say It now, SOMEBODY SHUT DOWN THIS COMPANY!!
I think DR should really send sriya to competition show
With the history of the company and Rania (what Blackswan was called formerly) it was obvious that the group was bound to fail. The company is trash through and through.
DR's history made this obvious from the day Blackswan debuted. I'm genuinely shocked they still have investors who are willing to dish out money into their groups when EVERY. SINGLE. GROUP. has unfortunately flopped. All the members have been talented and worthy of success but they keep choosing the wrong company to debut under. I feel for them but this was not a surprise in the least bit.
They aren't going to make it far. Disbanding is on the horizon or at least, new lineup switches. Having no Korean member in a KOREAN industry is honestly a bad move.
We all know having the Korean general public on your side is detrimental to overall success. It's just the facts. The industry is already oversaturated with girl groups and the competition is FIERCE. Every 4th gen gg rn are exceptionally talented. And BS can't compete, especially with DR managing them. And then you add all the scandals and drama since their debut and it's just bad news. BS doesn't seem to have chemistry with each other either, more so now that the other two members are gone.
Anyways, there should be balance. If 4/7 girls were Korean and the other 3 were forgeiners it would be better, but not a single member is Korean, it comes across as ungenuine
Right being in a KPop industry which is based in South Korea, you need to have atleast 2 or half Korean members in the group. That was one of the biggest reason of them not getting much attention in Korea than internationally. Then all the drama comes and you were on point when you said no chemistry between the members. I hope they will be successful individually in case they disband.
I'm really mad at this. Blackswan already has a bad name as 'kpop fans getting kpop treatment' which I guess i can understand. But also having to face racism. And now Fatou has to be stuck with a gremlin bitch who literally was the one BULLYING HER. Judy and Yongheun were the only people who could protect her. DR entertainment needs to step it up.. this is so tiring and fustrating.
DR Music should realize that they aren't capable of manage a group and move on. This is happening since Rania and they keep making the same mistakes over again. This won't last because no one can stand mistreatment.
The label can't even managed Rania, after the group went through a lot of member lineup changes, and rebranded the group, the group have a successful debut but after Hyemi was accused of something, she left also because of her contract expired, came back with Close to Me, added two more members making the group 6 members, bit instead DR Music instead went with the graduation and admission system which has now ruined the group's reputation, I hope the members reunite with Youngheun and Judy again and redebut as a group with a new name under a new label, DR Music has pissed me off since they debut them as the 3rd generation of BabyVox, they will never learnthat the graduation system will the ruin the group, seriously I don't want yhese girls to suffer like 9muses and K-Tigers their label mates who went through many lineup changes
About the graduation concept, they are actually lying because they want to save themselves
@@rosieosabutey1448 9muses had suffered like this throughout their career as a group, because of the graduation system, like original members Jaekyung (left after No Playboy promotions), Hyuna 3rd leader of the group while promoting Drama (whom I have as considered as original member rather than Jaekyung's replacement, left along with two original members Minha and Euaerin after Sleepless Night promotions), Rana 1st leader of the group & Bini (left in 2011 after No Playboy promotions), LeeSem, Eunji & Sera 2nd leader of the group (left after Glue promotions), Minha and Euaerin (left in 2016 after Sleepless Night promotions) left, whereas Hyemi original member remaining from the beginning and 4th leader of the group, Gyeongri (who joined in 2011 for News promotions), Sungah (who was added in late 2012 for Dolls promotions), two new members Sojin & Keumjo (who were added in 2014 for Drama promotions) stayed in the group till their disbandment in 2019
Rania/blackswan has had an absurd amount of member changes and the group has been a mess for a long time. Gotta be the company more than anything
The whole graduation thing is dumb like I’m not gonna get used to a groups members and love the members for the members to leave every two years
Exactly. That is a stupid concept
@@rosieosabutey1448 they should stick to something like “different culture concept”
Where each comeback shows a members culture
Thatd be way better
@@megamega2646 Omg that is a smart idea.
There is a group like that out there already, they're call Now United...they're not kpop tho
Once fatou leave the whole most of the fandom gonna leave with her my bias was hyeme still is once she left or w.e i wasn't really interested but i stayed because of fatou, judy and youngheun once judy and youngheun left i was like wow okay and really lost interest so i haven't been umm following along with the group since that was my last straw
Various lineups of blackswan have been trying to debut for what, a decade now? Feels that way. Why does their company keep trying to REBOOT blackswan/Rania instead of just giving up and starting a new group with a clean slate? Literally no other Kpop group in history has tried this hard to keep the ball rolling when the ball is literally a cube and just will not roll, Because it wastes money, resources, and the members lives. Just restart.
I honestly don’t think they’re gonna actually commit to the graduation thing bc the foreign members are their whole draw
Putting it simply, kpop is supposed to have Korean members for the simple fact that its Korean pop. as the years have gone by other east asians and even some southeast asians have been added into kpop groups because they fit into that “korean” look. My problem is how are they going to call themselves a kpop group when there are no members who resemble that. If they’re going for an international appeal, they should do what z-girls did. They didn’t call themselves kpop because there were no koreans in the group, instead they marketed as a genz group “Z-pop”
Kpop is a genre not an ethnicity
@Karinataur Exactly, thank you
Try telling this to the people on tiktok. They'll get so mad they'll throw a chair at you
You’re telling me !!! Sriya who is freaking talented af !! And her family is financially unstable went all the way to Korea !!! Didn’t join college to become an idol !!!
It's just the fact that the company convinced us things would be different this time, only for them to sabotage their group again and again and again. It's like watching a trainwreck, and it's sad to see so much wasted potential. The company is so irresponsible and disorganized.
I feel like the company has already given up on them and is trying to milk them as much as possible until they'll have to disband which is sad because the members are really cool.
One thing that bothers me is where you talk about how kpop fans prefer east asian idols since you also listed Lisa and Bambam as examples.
As far as I know they aren't East Asians
If they're gonna remove members in 2 years it sounds like Dr music is trying not to pay them. Think about it. How long does it take for kpop groups to start seeing profits or their paychecks (after debt payed off).
Dr music is small company. Idk their finances but they probably don't have as much. Plus their groups aren't as successful.
you have a great point. I wouldn't be surprised if youngheun and Judy were barely paid (if they even paid at all)
@@Reveswan I stumbled upon a Fifth Harmony clip (idk how fat in their career were) where they were addressing fan comments on why some members were thrift shopping. They explained that they we're earning much and in fact we're doing worse off financially once they joined the x factor than before. Idk if that's an old clip, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't earn much through their career despite how big and successful they were - only cause I stumbled a TLC clip that explained they were legit broke despite selling millions of albums. If western artists aren't earning much at the height of their career then it's bad news for Korean artists, bc kpop is notorious for having low wages for their idols.
For big and ultra successful acts like BOA ( made it big in Japan) and EXO ( made it big in China) to have a net worth of 10-15 million (per member) is too small for a 10 year career. Many western artists who do eventually earn, earn more than that.
I didn't watch or listen to BP Rania, but I heard they've went through lots of lineup changes. If DR Music is gonna continue with this model with Blackswan then they're gonna ruin the group. Many supporters (esp Black fans) are here for Fatou. If she leaves, they will too. That's probably why sneaky DR Music got another Black member. They know that support from the Black int community is big.
On one hand I can understand that while DR was training new members, it cost them money. But DR needs to sell more products for fans to consume to sustain their company
Blackswan cbs are infrequent. At least if YG has a cb for Blackpink every year or two, the girls have multiple cfs and sponsorships/ brand deals so they're still earning a wage (way more than kpop would ever pay). Blackswan members need work to earn a living. I wouldn't be surprised if they're broke. They barely have events and performances, let alone music releases.
I agree with stans hating kpop idols that aren't east asian and i can't think of any reason other than fetish and korea japan fantasy.
I LOVE YERI TOO OMG😭
If Blackswan fails like rania then DR really needs to think about how they manage and promote groups. Like it so hard to see talented artist who have a slim chance in the industry anyway getting slapped around and not even given a fair chance at being idols. I know a lot of people aren’t down for non-east Asian kpop idols but I have a glimpse of hope because of blackswan.
leia ruined the group offically but Ill still support syria and gabi(Idk how to spell their names) and Fatou
Same thing that happens to every group that company makes.
I still don't get why they keeping Lea in the group. After, all the drama she caused and is still causing behind the scenes. As a manager/producer would have definitely terminated her contract and kicked her out of the group. But we gonna lose so many Brazilian fans, they don't even buy their albums in the first place nor they have so many views to say OMG!! She's vital or sum.
Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth
bcs she has a HUGE fanbase and majority of the group success was bcs of brazilian fans, as a br myself i can say she’s fully pampered here and maybe dr is scared the group would lose popularity
@@maria.lsoaresmmm Shriya and Fatou are the most popular and even Gabi is more liked than Leia. They’d be fine without her. Besides, Leia wants to go.
it seems pretty stupid to defend Leia just because she is Brazilian, she is very problematic, I don't know if blackswan fans who don't speak portuguese usually see Leia's posts, but she complains a lot about the group, it seems she has no consideration for anyone I honestly don't understand why she doesn't leave soon
@@nabi-nni What stuff does she say?
The company so weird they're supposed to leave member stay together for a long time that how successful will come they're keep leaving and invent new members this wasting talent and time for girl I'm feel sorry for blackswan
They need to redebut with a new concept and theme and manger and company cus wtf
i need, NOT WANT but neeeed judy and youngheun back
They were actually going to keep the group in line
They are making history yet are not even getting any recognition
My favorite is sriya 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🌸🇮🇳
Are you planning to make a more recent video about them
Literally WHO KNOWS😭😭
They just need to drop a song tbh. Like I feel that's their best option. JUST DROP THE FUCKING SONG. Like they keep hinting of studio time, but like just give us a song. Just one song will save y'all image.
XD
like i get that some of yall think that there should be a korean member in the group, but some of yall are taking it a bit far. kpop wouldn't exist without foreign music ie rap. so to say that they are going to be completely written off because they have no korean members is silly. they won't be able to make it because they're company is shit and doesn't manage them properly. if you wanna say that they won't be superstars like bts and blackpink because they don't have korean members, i would agree more with that because a HUGE population of koreans is hella xenophobic. but a foreigner/kpop group full of foreigners could absolute make a comfortable living. they wouldn't have to know the language and culture right out the gate. that's what the training period is for. this discussion happens so often and it honestly makes my skin crawl reading the comments
it’s not even kpop there’s no korean members and that makes me mad because i feel like if it’s kpop there should be at least a korean member. what’s the point of being a kpop group if your not even popular in korea?? you mind as well be a american they would get way more recognization.
I agree
They not even k pop anymore i mean cmon u gotta have atleast one korean member
Kpop doesn't mean u have to be korean , they're making korean song promoting in Korean music show they're kpop
After the absolute disaster that Rania was (concerning the management, not the members of course), I was worried for Blackswan but tried to be optimistic... But yeah, that company clearly has issues, and I honestly don't trust them on managing anything.