It's 50 years since I participated in these dances, it took me about 9 years with groups to perfect them.No doubt about it, participation lifts you to a different state of yourself.Since then,I grow in the Sufi path along with my students.And if you're into energy transfer for holy and healing purposes,nothing beats them
Very interesting video.I like it because this is a way to schow our old kultur and old arts .Old Iranian (Persian ) Turkish Mungolisch and ......music . Thanks channe391.
@@Artigaz I think you need to learn more, Cause these melodies were played in my ears when I was a little kid The zurna melody playing at the entrance, someone who lives in my city, maybe you should look at the names at the end of the movie.
If the words disturbs you, it is just the language that use "men" as universal therm for a human being. Talking for objective art btw and sacred dances, Gurdjieff originally got inspired with sacred dances in Hindukush monasteries while watching female priestess who practiced those. So no gender is superior or has any advantage in the work of self-remembarence.
Female enlightened person are there but they are few like Meera,Daya in India,Rabia in Muslim,Even lalla , the naked fakir...They are few but never forget females always always seed them(knowledge, tradition) in a large number and carry forward them to next generation.You will be amazed they are tradition Christian,Muslims generally where it is believed that women can't be enlightened that's why if you remember apostatles asked Jesus(gospel of thomas) women can't reach to that height and he replied remember they too reach can to that height.
Oh, c'mon!! Don't turn that into a fight of gender. This is above it all! Otherwise, some "dog protection association" will demand a "meetings with remarkable dogs", and Black, Gays, Cats, Russians and Americans, c'mon lol We are all humans!!!
Woman are like root , from where all this man are born......now simply say who is who..... & "you may know other's only according to your knowledge of your own deeper self"....those who interested in walking the path of mystery & mystic , all and any human's are most welcome with open heart & no-mind noumena.
@@dr-nj4sq You are absolutely right there with that statement about me having no heart for the music. Recently I somehow came to listen to Armenian/Middle Eastern type music and fell in love with it. I listened to many hours of it and you writing that has inspired me to go and listen to some more soon. There was a time that I actually used to meditate to the Ney and Duduk instrumental songs which are my favourites. Thanks 🙏
This is nonsense. There is never an objective effect with music . . . only an objective perception of it. There is no music that will always produce the same effect in everyone regardless of capacity. There is only an objective capacity to perceive an effect that is there . . .
Omg , you totally miss the point , its an opening scene of the movie , a good one too, much better and smarter then Thor -Ragnarok , or Star Wars the force then nevers stops making movies . Its literally art , last strokes of it , as im told . the age of Kali Yuga , the decadence is here , post modern art like Hollywood and everything around it , is just give us the money you morons , we paid for these licences . the effect is objective , you can see it in the movie , you can debate is it music , is a tone music . If its not , then its not objective , if it is then it is objective . Not just for everyone , but for everything that is .
Arbiter i think you disagree because you are listening to the music of it, i think it's about the sound, which is physical, the meaning of this performances is how vibrate a man can be using sound in this particular place/valley, objective art is a deeper representation of the maker , its his manifestation
Way to entirely miss the point because you approached this from your previous assumptions of meaning. You are exactly in the state of mind that Gurdjieff spent his life trying to shake people out of. I guess in your case, he objectively failed.
@@hostnik777 it would be nice of you all to explain what exactly you mean. Youre being too condescending here. Im sure by now youlllve had time to think about it.
It's 50 years since I participated in these dances, it took me about 9 years with groups to perfect them.No doubt about it, participation lifts you to a different state of yourself.Since then,I grow in the Sufi path along with my students.And if you're into energy transfer for holy and healing purposes,nothing beats them
You and your team did a fantastic job man , bravo
One of the most memorable scenes
That was an example of Tuvan/Mongolian/Tibetan throat singing........
Very interesting video.I like it because this is a way to schow our old kultur and old arts .Old Iranian (Persian ) Turkish Mungolisch and ......music . Thanks channe391.
WOW, that was wonderful!
Film sahnesinde canlandirilan yer Kars in Subatan ilçesinde bir yer.
Gurdjieff Kars'ta yaşamış.
Armenian land!
@@arthurhovhannisyan3568no no no 😂😂😂😂😂
The Bauhaus singer? We started our Gurdjieff group in Sweden last year. And were at the All & Everything conference in Portland, Maine, this May. :-)
is there any way for me to contact you, I also reside in sweden and am interested in discussing the work.
Hans Strömberg Is there any ways I can contact you...I would like to get some information on that goup . Maybe we can also discuss the subject. Thanks
Winner ;"Aka Gündüz Kutbay" :D
Quoi de plus beau je fair chanter la Montagne ???
Aynı yıl rahmetli oldu
The singer Peter Murphy likes this movie a lot :-)
客観的ア―ト？ 音楽🎵。みんな同じような反応をするのでしょうか。
Girişteki Zurna Barak zurnası
UNTIL THE NORSEMAN SINGS!!!
Tradition by Ashok people, every 20 years they meet and test musical skills?
Sadhguru!!
لا عزۃ الا بالاسلام
All off Turkısh Music
@@Artigaz Which music is Armenian?
@@Artigaz Actors talking Turkmen languages some time
Also Afghan is not nationalty
Afgan is Countrt maybe you can said Peshtun
@@Artigaz 😅 Armenians are always right
@@Artigaz please read www.gurdjieff.org/rosenthal3.htm
after that we can talk again
@@Artigaz I think you need to learn more, Cause these melodies were played in my ears when I was a little kid
The zurna melody playing at the entrance, someone who lives in my city, maybe you should look at the names at the end of the movie.
Always men. What have they done with lady mystics? Where did they hide themselves?
can't you hear the lady singing in the beginning?
If the words disturbs you, it is just the language that use "men" as universal therm for a human being. Talking for objective art btw and sacred dances, Gurdjieff originally got inspired with sacred dances in Hindukush monasteries while watching female priestess who practiced those. So no gender is superior or has any advantage in the work of self-remembarence.
Female enlightened person are there but they are few like Meera,Daya in India,Rabia in Muslim,Even lalla , the naked fakir...They are few but never forget females always always seed them(knowledge, tradition) in a large number and carry forward them to next generation.You will be amazed they are tradition Christian,Muslims generally where it is believed that women can't be enlightened that's why if you remember apostatles asked Jesus(gospel of thomas) women can't reach to that height and he replied remember they too reach can to that height.
Oh, c'mon!! Don't turn that into a fight of gender. This is above it all! Otherwise, some "dog protection association" will demand a "meetings with remarkable dogs", and Black, Gays, Cats, Russians and Americans, c'mon lol We are all humans!!!
Woman are like root , from where all this man are born......now simply say who is who..... & "you may know other's only according to your knowledge of your own deeper self"....those who interested in walking the path of mystery & mystic , all and any human's are most welcome with open heart & no-mind noumena.
barf
Most articulate.
It’s a shame .
In my opinion the musicians didn’t sound very good.
Your heart lack's ears.
@@dr-nj4sq You are absolutely right there with that statement about me having no heart for the music.
Recently I somehow came to listen to Armenian/Middle Eastern type music and fell in love with it.
I listened to many hours of it and you writing that has inspired me to go and listen to some more soon.
There was a time that I actually used to meditate to the Ney and Duduk instrumental songs which are my favourites.
Thanks 🙏
They dont have to 'sound good'. Their music are only a symbol to higher subject. Its not suppose to entretain
This is nonsense. There is never an objective effect with music . . . only an objective perception of it. There is no music that will always produce the same effect in everyone regardless of capacity. There is only an objective capacity to perceive an effect that is there . . .
Omg , you totally miss the point , its an opening scene of the movie , a good one too, much better and smarter then Thor -Ragnarok , or Star Wars the force then nevers stops making movies . Its literally art , last strokes of it , as im told . the age of Kali Yuga , the decadence is here , post modern art like Hollywood and everything around it , is just give us the money you morons , we paid for these licences . the effect is objective , you can see it in the movie , you can debate is it music , is a tone music . If its not , then its not objective , if it is then it is objective . Not just for everyone , but for everything that is .
an objective perception of it?
No, perception by its very nature is subjective. That is why they search for an objective effect.
Arbiter i think you disagree because you are listening to the music of it, i think it's about the sound, which is physical, the meaning of this performances is how vibrate a man can be using sound in this particular place/valley, objective art is a deeper representation of the maker , its his manifestation
Way to entirely miss the point because you approached this from your previous assumptions of meaning. You are exactly in the state of mind that Gurdjieff spent his life trying to shake people out of. I guess in your case, he objectively failed.
@@hostnik777 it would be nice of you all to explain what exactly you mean. Youre being too condescending here. Im sure by now youlllve had time to think about it.