Thoughts on the Moog ONE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Here are my many thoughts on the Moog ONE, interspersed with as many sound examples as I could fit in. Please be warned, this video is over an hour long and it is not a step-by-step review. Fundamentally this video contains my personal opinions on this synth having owned and played it for the last six months. I hope you find it enjoyable or in other ways useful.
00:01:09 Introduction
00:06:24 LFOs
00:11:50 VCOs
00:14:58 VCFs
00:21:56 Modulation
00:24:39 VARS
00:30:28 Transforms
00:36:23 Quirks & Limitations
00:46:56 Tuning Issues
00:56:11 Multi Synth Engine Patch
01:03:59 Conclusions
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Tim, you have really went over the top with the production of this video. The camera angles, close ups, grading, everything is top notch, like top pro work. The tone and theme of how you position the lighting is brilliant. I'm not really in the market for a Moog One but I enjoyed watching the video anyway, mostly because how you talk about things and express your thoughts about gear. I'm really impressed with how much effort you put into your videos. I know how much work all the setup and editing is. I'm also a TH-camr... just over 800k subs (this is my private account). I usually only make comments on TH-cam like once a month. Anyway, keep up the great work. All your videography and music you write is brilliant as well. You really set your self apart from everyone else in this sector. Take care - Mark
The hidden voice spread parameter can easily be saved in the init patch. The whole spread “problem” with the FXs: don’t use the FXs, they are aweful...
Thanks a lot Mark, I really appreciate your feedback a lot. I know I'm not doing YT in a business-savvy way but keeping my videos to the optimum 15 minutes feels impossible, even 30 minutes feels very superficial given the subject matter. I decided a while back to throw everything I can at each video and do the best I can with each one. It kind of satisfies the frustrated filmmaker inside me! I just wish I could produce them more frequently than I do.
@@TimShoebridge Moogs always look & feel best when encased in wood paneling. Interesting on "there being something missing" in the sound.
Tim Shoebridge I feel the same about factory presets some-ways...
Limiting what piece of discussion is more about context... it’s hard to get deep w/out giving away tips custom patches or backdoor alternate modulations... such as Ping Pong Delay VIA saw to subdue(w/out a Pan delay)
@@TimShoebridge Tim, you're doing a great job and I appreciate the care you take in your videos, they are always enjoyable. You should see about creating a short film or something, I think you probably have the chops.
Tim, I'm a filmmaker and I concur the production value of this video is extraordinary. But it means nothing if the content and the heartfelt desire to communicate, teach, and inspire was not right behind it. Your use of transitions are both subtle and very evocative of your desire to express meaning, a tool the best filmmakers struggle with quite often. I also will never own such a beast as the Moog One, but with your review I feel that, just for a moment or even a few minutes, I know what it might feel like to play. Keep up the extraordinary work and by all means, never lose your candor and honesty. Best --
Thanks very much Lance, really appreciate it
Thank you for explaining the three synth engine aspect of this, I don't think I ever really caught the implications of that before.
The colour of the video really matches the moog. It looks like a 70 s film.
I have to say the coloring and lighting of your videos is so pleasing to my eyes + no bullshit straight synth talk we all love.
Even the noise sounds incredible!
My farts are incredible too:-).
@@dirkkeersmaekers4343 yea but can you pan spread them with delay? ;- )
Beautiful samples and pieces, probably the most thorough demonstration of the working of the Moog One on the internet. Very helpful. Thank you for creating this video.
Tim, you did an excellent job with this overview of your experiences with the Moog One. I can see sound designers and film scoring artists buying this synth, given its vast capabilities. I believe in 20 years the Moog One will be coveted much in the same way as past "super synths" such as the Yamaha CS-80 and Roland Jupiter 8 are today.
Why do you think that way? Wil there be a lot of well known musicians play them now and in the upcoming decade? There won´t be synths that will replace it in the next few years? Were only a small amount produced?
All things to consider that will end its legacy
It really hasn’t garnered the kind of excitement and reverence that would suggest this … Seems more of a tweaker’s synth, than a player’s synth …
Moog’s past classics were all much simpler, with a more raw sound … It sounds nice, and big, but not particularly Moog-ish, to me - sounds such that it could be anything, really …
You have a truthfulness and elegance in your videos that is simply unmatched on TH-cam. The hour passed quickly and all i could think towards the end is i don’t want it to end. This is the synth, the one that so many of us want but the price plays with our minds a bit. In the US we spend so much on motor vehicles, dropping 30k on a car loan is standard. Quality synth gear, that brings with it a full spectrum of emotional experience beyond even the sound, its the visceral nature like a fine piano or guitar.
Guilt has no place there, we spend far more on things that matter not.
There are many things you don’t need in life. But if something has soul, whether it’s a sports car, a vintage watch, a piano, it’s worth it. If it moves you, it’s art in itself. Art that can you create more art with. Worth every penny.
This was a great video don't feel apologetic about the length. We need people who are taking the time like you did to explore and share your experience - especially with an instrument of this caliber.
Great work
Tim, I recently purchased a ONE. My initial experience has been very challenging. Listening to this video has helped me feel comfortable it's not just me. I've been struggling to consistently get an even sound across the keyboard. I've literally described it to Moog exactly as you have. From the middle of the keyboard up is usually fine. However, the low to mid registers are very often muddy, muffled and not crisp or clear. I was also very surprised with the factory presets and how poorly the ONE sounded when I initially booted. I've run the calibration and am still having the same results. I own a Matriarch and the sounds, out of the box, are sooo stirring! I would be so grateful for any input as I'd love to fall in love with my ONE! Thanks! Mitch
Glad I’m reading this because I was so tempted to get one even though it sounds plush on this video
My first real synth was a matriarch a few months ago and so much was so foreign I didn’t think it worked. Apparently the analog synth learning curve is very real. I want this.
Sounds defective.
It took me some time to do presets, but machine is the beast and the best out there. This synth is the classic and legend already, but not for everyone, for sure. Same like Porsche 911 GT2RS. Many would call it stiff, uncomfortable, loud and quirky. Expensive and maintenance hungry. It is all true.
@@bororobo7036 Thanks for your input... it is a beast!
Tim, this was a tremendous video in many ways! I have a Moog One also (purchased new in December of 2019) and share your adulation for the design and sound, along with some of your frustrations. The various firmware updates have brought welcome changes (my tuning was never an issue, so I am keeping that compensation disabled for now). I had not noticed the stereo spread programming quirks before now. I hope that it's a bug that will be squashed soon.
Regarding cost/value of owning the Moog One: It's a luxury, yes. It's not needed, as you said. But it is an absolute joy to play and interact with. What gives me some peace of mind is Moog synthesizers, especially flagship models like this, tend to hold (or increase) their value over the years.
All that said, I do hope that you find time and desire to produce additional videos exploring the Moog One. Your content is so well presented and informative that I can see many owners of this synth will find your efforts both educational and enriching. There just isn't much online devoted to really digging into the various mod matrix settings, in particular, along with more nuanced programming ideas like you've demonstrated in this video.
One question: The patches you demonstrated were sublime. Do you have any plan or desire to offer sound sets for sale?
Thanks again for the time you put into this video.
Thanks a lot for your great feedback, I really appreciate it. I will definitely put my patches together in a pack at some point. I'll release a video when that happens but it's not likely to happen for a month or two to be honest. Thanks again.
Hi Tim! I made it to the end! Amazing production values and insight as always. Thank you so much for your dedication in putting these videos together. It's really appreciated.
34:57 Coming from the Buchla world, I got excited hearing what the Moog ONE could do when you assemble its army of modulators. Love how quantization creates exotic microtonal fairy dust over everything! 🧚🧚♂🧚♀
Tim, Your videos clearly illuminate your passion for both understanding the depth of each instrument and your sincere concern for sharing in a way that your viewers truly benefit! They are a reflection of your huge heart! Sooo grateful! Mitch
Thank you so much for such an in depth analysis of the One. I'm only had mine for 2 months and am still getting to grips with it. You opened my eyes to several features I'd not totally explored yet, especially VAR which has blown my mind as to possibilities regarding modulation and performance. Very inspiring.
Wonderfully produced, discrete, good points and overview...almost meditative. Great work !
Tim, I was totally enthralled with your video and your obvious honesty about the pros, the cons and the human factors of spending so much on a synth. I have been mulling over buying one for a while and you have given the info to pause for thought, some things to trial out in a shop and crucially, a sanity check on the whole idea. I use a Modx8 which is far from user friendly but also has huge capabilities at around 20% of the price! Bravo Sir and many thanks.
Thank you for all you do Tim. Pure love.
This is the most informative closer look(review) on the Moog One I have seen. Most other reviewers has not really learn the Moog Onebefore reviewing it, but rather hurry up to get a review out while it was new and novel. Good Work!
It was a very conscientious and honest opinion expression from you, Tim. Thanks!
Outstanding, well-produced and comprehensive review. I was amazed with how much your conclusion parallels my feelings about the One. I also purchased my 16 voice second hand from eBay for about the price of a new 8 voice with tax, about eight months ago. I struggled for a long time with trying to justify the cost, and I’ve almost sold it a few times. I have settled in with it now, realizing that there is no one poly that can do what this does. I have owned a few Alesis Andromedas, and each one has been problematic. The A6 is technically more powerful, but the OS is far less intuitive than the One’s, and while there are some who have reliable Andromedas, that has not been my experience. The Andromeda’s sound, in my opinion, was more sterile than the One. I have also owned an OB6 and a Prophet 6. While they sound fantastic, I was always disappointed with the lack of voices, LFOs and modulation options. The River was a serious consideration for me before I bought the One, but being in the U.S., I felt it too risky to buy something so high priced from Europe with no U.S. service option; the logistics of sending it back to France for a repair are nightmarish. The One has a semi-permanent place in my studio for now. It sounds incredible and it will take years to get close to utilizing all the potential this beast has. It’s a guilty pleasure that I am privileged to own.
Lovely video production and music Tim, it makes learning about Moog's flagship synth on TH-cam a pleasure to watch.
Simply the best review as always. And nice sounds in between.
Hi Tim. Your passion, enthusiasm and honesty are worth an hour of anyone's time. I have avoided videos on this synth because I could never afford one so why bother??? But when I saw this one from you, I just had to watch - and it was time well spent. Thank you for making it!
Great video Tim. I appreciate your time in putting this video together as I got a great feel of this instrument.
This is the best lights and colors I’ve seen in a TH-cam synth video.
A M A Z I N G .
Big salut from France 🇫🇷
Vinz🙋♂️
You are a very kind man, trying to cut down on the desirability of this sports car f a synth... Thank you for your honest review and very nice and elaborate video.
Just to say your VAR explanation really helped me get to grips with it. Thanks!
Thanks Tim. A alternative from a different and younger manufacturer is the River by Baloran: 8 voice, 4 parts, each with split/layer/seq/arp. You can even control external gear by MIDI, USB or CV/Gate. Check the videos on my TH-cam Chanel, there is a River playlist.
Been watching moog synth reviews for the last week. This is the most well made one imo. I really appreciated you touching on the stereo pan effect not working with any effects other than delay. Has this been addressed in any way one year later?
And you saved up great ear candy after the stereo disappointment section, that track is quite marvelous and works well doing a "so this is a bummer, but it's still a breathtaking synth!"
The ending section was also wonderfully and genuinely honest. A video worthy of this synth.
Hey. Thanks very much! No, the issue with stereo has not been addressed, in fact none of the issues present back when I made this video have yet been fixed.
What about now? 😆
It's a good video if I watch to the end for a synth I have no intention of buying. Thanks, Tim!
First demo of this hyper-synth where I've thought the cost was justified by the sound. Nice work!
Thank you very much :)
Thank you very much for taking the time to create this video, very informative :) Enjoy this beast!
37:11 - Personally is exactly how I felt with the One. The sound was quite flat and anemic compared to some other synths I have (Modal 008 most notably). I wrestled with the notion of selling my One for months and ultimately got rid of it just after a year. Another great video, Tim :)
The is a reassuring comment for me because I don't have that kind of money. But how is the 008?! How do you deal with the alternating panning / voices? I was going to get one but I read about the quirky left right left right. What is the sound like? Brassy? More Like a Jupiter x r prophet or Oberheim?
@@MajorOSC The 008 has 15 filter types (plus a resonance "constant" so actually like 30 filters). So it can sound a little bit like everything- while having it's own unique sound.
The hard panned voices never bothered me, that's an easy fix with panning. Plus 90% of the time I'm using it in "stack" mode- Where one voice is hard left and the other is hard right. It makes it a 4 voice synth but man on man does it sound fat and massive.
I appreciate the honest, personal quality of this video. It's my favorite video on the Moog One!
Thank you so much . pretty cool conclusion, super down to earth - Thumbs up!
Great Video! I’m still watching. I’m so excited to finally acquire mine at the end of this month finally.
Really lovely work, in this video. Bookmarking it now so I can remind myself of some of the cool functions in my Moog One. It's so easy to forget just how much it can do when getting lost in the sounds. Cheers!
Best video on the moog one I've seen. Thanks so much for your insight Tim.
Hi Tim, it has been a pleasure watching your video. Amazing sounds. Good work as always 🙏🏻
Thanks Tim, Really appreciate your perspective on the Moog One. I sat at one once and was blown away. I’ll have to win a poker tourney or two to purchase one I’d say.
Your calming melody needs to be for download. I'd happily purchase this as a completed song. So beautiful! Very Enya-esque😊
Really good honest review as usual,you are my go to synth guy from now on,, great work!
Tim, that is actually an EXCELLENT video you put together, very useful as it explains extremely well why you would and wouldn't want a Moog One at the same time. I really sympathize here, the only difference is that, unlike you, I didn't manage to justify the price of it 😅 (and therefore I stopped everything right before placing an actual order).
I couldn't stop watching, because you made your points so clearly I really wanted to see more. And I'm glad I did because I discovered a few additional things I didn't know about this synth, very cool! The sports car analogy is *exactly* how I feel about the Moog One. It is definitely a luxury product, yes you could get some separated synths/VST's and ultimately get something more functional and probably sonically superior to it without all the quirks, but that's not the same life you'd be living here. Come on, this is like jewelry, it has absolutely no utility whatsoever, it's just... nice.
Speaking of nice, what a nice work you have done here! Lots of very useful information and attention to details. And I know how much of a pain it is to create such a lengthy thing, so that's even more kudos to your credit.
The sound examples are also really nice, and as usual, the picture looks amazing, very stylish LUT and nicely lit overall. Congratulations, and most of all, thank you 🙏
Thanks Les for those fantastic comments.
One of the best and brutally honest reviews
This video is so well put together than it is just as amazing as the Moog One-16 voice😀
Well...this video, great video, it deserves pages and talking about many things...I think all the considerations, all questions we must answer to ourselves, price, usability if it worth every penny or if we really need it, are important.
Just let me say about my thoughts...I started playing with synths when I was 12 years old, now with 53, I am thinking about some wrong things I did in the past, like selling my Oberheim OBX-A, Juno-60, MS-20...etc just because they had some inconvenient issues like tuning, no midi, no memory presets, weight...anyway.
Now I am really sorry about those decisions because a real OBX-A maybe a heavy keyboard and with those tuning issues, it's not the best keyboard to go to the stage ...oh...MS-20, changing all parameters between songs could be a nightmare but, that sound....now, I am watching this video, and I completely in love with this Moog One.
I have a Moog Little Phatty what I love it (plus a DX7 II, Emulator III xp, Wavestation etc) and I would like to recover some of those old synths...in some way, because even working with some of the best VST synths nowadays like Diva, Zebra, Omnisphere, etc the way to achieve good sounds can't be compared with the old fashion way for people like me. I think this truly a "sports car", it's a true inspiration..
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a very seldomly great and intelligent presentation
Great review and demo. Very helpful, thanks, and thanks for your honesty and balance.
Tim, thank you very much for this video. Your presentation and delivery are excellent. You produced this in a way that made one hour go by in no time flat; your material and presentation of it were that good.
I did have one thought on your critique of the stereo implementation of the synth and that is this: Moog likely understands quite well that this instrument is going to be used mostly in recording studios due to its price. That means that it will be plugged into a mixing desk or directly into an audio interface and recorded with a DAW. This environment will likely already have a whole lot of effects plugins including a sophisticated stereo spread effect. I have an excellent stereo LFO that I use to modulate things like hi-hats and synth voices as it is (it was free too). I think they simply made an assumption they didn't need to go too far into that. Perhapts not a great assumption but, an assumption nonetheless.
If you need to implement a more complex, random-sounding ping-poinging, stereo effect, can't you use an LFO with a random waveform modulating the stereo spread effect?
Thanks a lot Jeff. Yes you're probably right with that assumption, but it is a shame nonetheless. If Moog had considered the effects section more carefully then they might have added the effects as modulation destinations, which they did not.
Yes you can definitely modulate the VCA and I do that in a few of the patches 👍
Oh yeah, I was going to say, yes. I completely agree. Moog should definitely release an 8-note polyphonic model with two oscillators per voice, 5-octave keyboard, something in between the Matriarch and the One. It could be called the Patriarch and cost around $4,000. That would be a competition aimed straight at the Prophet-5/10 and OB-X8.
Oh hohohoho What a good episode. Side note, I've taken on the challange of biulding my own.... I've only gotten my VCOs but still have miles to go. Yet, always , reminded that there are inspirations in the world. Thanks for reminding me after a month of time off the insanity that is my Synth. Great Channel, many thanks. "My Edit", after watching your full episode. Here's my thought about your "One". You earned the instrument, it was meant for you. You truly have the passion for Synths. It has always been your's. I can only hope that the TH-cam community sees the same as I do and you will make your $$ back. Great channel.
Most beautiful patch, great video.
What a brilliant walk through. Thanks so much, this was amazing!
TS thanks. You did a great job going over the Moog One. Your explanation of the Oscillator Compensation function and the effects lack of stereo imaging was extremely helpful. I wish there was a More Button on the noise module. I also enjoyed your music and patches.
I really wish I could afford one of these and do it justice, but just knowing it exists makes me really happy!
Btw your filming and production is spot on!! Great lighting great sound great voice!
Tim, you produced an excellent video. This Moog One is the Rolls Royce of synths. The naysayers are only jealous and wish they had this in their parent's basement. Keep up the great work, we're depending on you!
MOOG ONE costs like a small utility car but is really an amazing synthesizer (3 synths). Thanks for a great "thoughts of" Tim. You are really inspiring.
In 10 years it will have a higher resale value of that car, so it is a better buy.
You are a great reference for getting useful insights into synths! Maybe that's because you are not just spot on and knowledgeable, always naming stumbling blocks besides great sides, but you are also human and musical in a way which I find very helpful and sympathetic. Thanks for this video! I belong to those who don't buy that one (happy with my Prophet 6 and other keyboards, besides lots of VSTis), but finally understand, why and how this synth can be an asset for others.
I can always trust Tim. You do the best reviews I know of. I actually got an out loud belly laugh when you admitted that you were completely confounded by a certain function so you decided to play distracting music instead ha ha ha
Thx Tim. U made me part with £1.5k for the subsequent 37. Damm it. Need to save 8k for this now. Such a great insight into a truly amazing synth. Thank you
I think there's more going on with the reported "thinness" of the Moog One. Possibly a lack of pitch and filter variance, or an overly tight sound when you first unbox it. That can be solved with modulation presets, somewhat like the Sequential solutions with the Prophet 5/10's "Vintage" knob. But that Pan Spread quirk is legitimately confusing. Thanks for pointing that out Tim.
Excellent piece Tim. You are a treasure.
Superb video Tim.
Warts and all honesty
thought about getting One (joke, get it?). I actually toured with a Memorymoog in the 8o's, and it was just one problem after another, endless trips to the repair shop (which I couldn't afford), playing live I would often have to disable voices until I was down to a 2 voice. Makes me laugh to see them sell for 20K now, I don't care how massive they are. So I know it's 35 years later and a very different synth, but I'm suspicious of the One in the same way, it feels unfinished and overpriced. I've read many reviews that worry me, some real owner unhappiness out there. The new Prophet 10 for me I think. Great review, thanks
I just saw this pop up on my timeline and was like 😬😬🔥🔥
I've learned a lot from you video. I've had my Moog One for over a year, and it still mystifies me as well.
Grateful to have found your channel, thank you for this.
This video is so mesmerizing. It's a beautiful thing, you have my subscribe mister.
That's refreshing to hear, especially saying you can use vsts lol. thanks for the comprehensive review and opinions
...also beautiful music accompanying your thoughts. Very inspiring.
My last Moog One video = no more . Thanks for your work . ULI Behringer MusicTribe will take your money with No warranty help !
Super video. Thanks for doing this Tim.
Excellent work Tim, agree with many of your findings and thoughts. :)
Thanks very much Jamie
best moog one sounds I've seen, but also good overview of tuning/compensation issue
Fabulous totally honest and enjoyable review. Thank you for sharing. 👍🏼🎹
Genesis, Enya and Tangerine Dream I heard in that order. Tony Banks should use it if they ever do another album. Would conjure up memories of classic Genesis without trying too hard. Always enjoy your videos Tim.
Thank you Tim for video like this, you did such amazing job. I would really like all reviews and thoughts be like this... honest, indepth and as long as nessesary and I dont mind watching for more than hour (actual 15-20min reviews that arent indepth enough are pretty useless for me). For me Moog One is simply out of budget, but you learned me to enjoy this instrument and while I was watching, I can say that Moog One is actually very very similar to my Oberheim Matrix in all the posibilites and various options / routings (of course One is more overwhelming, but many similarities are there). All the best!
Exceptional review Tim, loved hearing your thoughts on this synth. I have a lot of love for the Moog One, but its definitely been a struggle. Mine is the 7th one made, wich is awesome, but it has big time tuning issues. Unison, wich I love to use is almost useless. That was broken in an early firmware update, hope its fixed now.. I've litteraly stepped away from it for a few months due to frustration. But I'll load up the latest firmware here soon and give it another go. You've made some wonderful sounds for sure! Congrats 👏
Thanks a lot Marshal, really appreciate it :)
@Trololo Inc ® lol crazy mail man, probably has piles of synths he's "delivered" to himself 😃. Is all good, am gonna load up the latest firmware and give some attention to it again soon 😁
Interesting thoughts on the panning causing some weird lackluster quality to some patches, I had a very similar experience as you when trying out the Moog One. I saw one at a Guitar Center and was like "OMG I'm about to play this thing until my eyes fall out," but about 15 minutes later I was ready to move on, and ended up losing track of time playing a Matriarch instead. I was using headphones, and figured maybe it was just too complex to really shine in a quick jam without a manual or anything, but I feel a little more justified in my initial impression now.
Exceptional video- THANKS Tim! Interesting that Nick Batt @ Sonic State definitely had several issues and concerns too. I hope to see Moog follow through. They did with most Sub37 issues...
this was a very nice video, well thought of and really worth watching , considering buying one once with the really nice conclusions. No sportscar for me, a moog one will do.
It's more like a Tesla than a sports car, sports cars are a bit rubbish and become boring whereas Tesla's just keep on getting better with age! Thanks so much for the vid, I've had my ONE for just over six months and you've brought to light some features I had yet to discover. I think that's the thing about the ONE, it's an endless journey, you can sit happily for hours creating a patch and then sit happily for hours playing the creation, one thing you didn't touch on was the patch creation framework, which is, as far as I can make out infinite, it can also create timestamps within patches, which is great for performance. I think we're all just scratching the surface and will be for some time. Something I am experimenting with also - you may be able to shed some light on is building an effective keystroke drum machine into one synth, I can build a great drum machine over three synths but then have nothing left to play over it... Thanks again for sharing!
It's a lot of money but f*** me it sounds phenomenal! I'd love to get my hands on one... Absolutely loved the opening "incidental" music.
Just another comment to add to my others! Really happy you covered the pan spread functionality.... coming from being a user of Oberheims I'm used to this and it is my main problem with modern synths... hard to go back to regular synths without it. So I was blown away to see it on DSI synths. I recall messaging Amos back when he was doing the first live Moog One demos and he mentioned it would be simple to implement (I seem to recall pan was modulatable.. but I wanted a fixed position mode) so I'm disappointed to see the limitations.
The more I am watching the more I'm less inclined to buy this Moog as it just sounds quite static and boring like a mid 80s poly and also the patches are covered in effects (of course its about rolling your own in the end). Add to the fact it has a computer, fan, what seem like bugs it seems like a bit of a mess... so I am kinda glad I didn't pull the trigger... probably a synth that will eventually sound great and be a classic. But the DSI stuff just sounds so good without any problems.
Just to add some synth minutia, the Buchla 200e system offers the Model 256e Quad Control Voltage Processor that lets you design (and store) very basic CV transformations. The trade-off is it looks like the Moog offers many powerful preset transforms, whereas the 256e offers user-definable (but very simple “2-segment and linear”) transforms.
Great video Tim! Just picked up a restored memorymoog but this looks interesting as well and may give it a go one day. Very thorough review, great job!!
Thanks a lot Greg. Enjoy your memorymoog, that has always been my dream synth :)
Tim Shoebridge it is quite the beast in itself but like the moog one, it has its problems. I’d like to think it gives it character
I loved this video Tim, well put together, this is indeed a monstrous bit of kit. Factory presets were made to disappoint and inspire users to create their own sounds, the sound of it however is pretty cool, but give me one of these and I'll score an independent sci-fi the day after lol, it's gorgeous from a form factor standpoint, i don't mind the size at all. Overall great video, lovely device, not perfect, but lovely anyways. To me the UDO Super 6 is definitely stereo standard for analog synths. Cheers !
Excellent video, a must watch for anyone considering purchasing a One. I've been toying with the idea, but have to admit the pitch tuning issue would bother me very much. There's no way I'd use the tuning algorithm or deal with the hassle of having to ship the synth back to Moog. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Great video, spot on. Re Pan Spread, it was indeed an afterthought and came only with v1.0.3 if I remember well, probably after we all complained about it. I still think that it's missing a unison stereo spread parameter, which unlike pan spread should spread voices equally in unison mode. I end up doubling and panning the synths way too often, that would save a lot of time, and a synth slot. Unison is fairly buggy btw, with stuck notes and weird voice allocation mishaps. Brings me to my last big annoyance, voice allocation. As it is, the algorithm is naive at best and eats through voices like there is no tomorrow. There should be at least a parameter to tell the voice allocator to reuse voices for the same note, for anything that does not require overlapping releases of the same notes, say percussive patches with fast arpeggios. That would enable us to use the voices doubling for more stereo effect without running out of voices too fast. That said, my M1 is not going anywhere for the next 10 years, if ever, I would miss it too much.
Compared to a $360,000 Yamaha CFX grand, this Moog synthesizer is actually very reasonably priced. I am personally not a Moog fan, and no I don't need or want the Moog One. I find the offerings from Roland, such as Jupiter-X and Juno-X far more desirable in terms of the sound, features, feel of the keybed, and overall aesthetics. But I am glad that Moog makes synthesizers, and it's even nicer to see people being passionate about them. The more companies there are in business, the better for the consumer. And it should always be about the consumer.
Wow, really cool that you said what you said at the end.. a luxury car! and for that money Moog should give like 10 year warranty not just 1. Its insane.. My washing machine has 10, fridge 5, bit moog products only 1.... not cool.
Great vid-stunning sound and piece @ 55:19
Really useful video, thanks again Tim
Thanks Tim. Very nice run-through! I'm still mulling this one over mostly because of the cost and the real estate it would take up in the music room. The fact I could get another OB6 module and 2 Arturia Polybrutes for less money definitely gives me pause to mull it over some more. Your video has slightly budged me towards a "yeah" vote (conditionally if they can find a better fix for the tuning problems), but I'm still not there yet.
Was laughing at your attempt to diagram the filter routing, because I went through the same thing with my Alesis Andromeda video. I even had the graphics totally DONE (or so I thought), when I realized I didn't understand it correctly. Back to the drawing board I went, and I was still only half happy with the finished results.
Again, great job!
Thanks for your very good vid. Helped me to decide where to go.👍🏻
When you use a Synth effect that operates like an insert as opposed to a send - so with your example Flanger as opposed to Delay, the effect is acting on all voices, and the clean signal mixed in with effected signal is post conversion to avoid phase issues. At this point your voices are combined and there is no way for the VCA to individually pan them. Not a bug and no way around that using the pre-VCA synth effects. You would need 16 separate bit crushers for instance to keep them separate and able to be panned. The master effects are different due to their placement in the signal chain. The reason the P6 and OB6 behave the way they do is that all of the effects are master effects, and post-voice spreading. Of course Moog could have designed it so that the 3 individual Synth effects were each post voice-spread., but for whatever reason, they did not.
But a flanger is a delay with very short delay times, it should work all the same.
@@nectariosm Yeah, it seems like they decided to flatten the signal on the flanger and phaser for either mono or, on some types, stereo. With the bitcrusher you can maintain the spread by rolling off the wet mix to 50%. The spread will be left/right and the effect center. I believe the default for bit crush is 100% which is why he complains about it in the video.
@@nectariosm But it doesn't. The dry signal it uses to combine with the delayed signal is the converted dry signal - as evident by the loss of panning, And indeed it would not sound as expected otherwise as there is already a certain amount of delay induced by the conversation, so the difference between the unconverted signal and the delay would be greater than the converted signal and the delay. This doesn't matter when the delay is long enough, but it is likely enough to screw with the flange. Also is the fact that the delayed signal will not be able to follow an individual voice when panned. So you have the original dry panned around the spectrum, and the slightly delayed signal used to create the flange effect all panned to one place. Again - workable with a traditional delay where the note and delay are noticeably separate, but not so much when you are trying to create a flange effect where each note should be combined as one with the delayed signal.
@@philaiken6003 I mentioned that a flanger is a delay with short times and that the panning should work the same as the delay, which Tim mentions that the stereo image in the delay effect, is there. But as GuyaGuy mentioned, the flanger is probably a different effect on its own and from the sounds of it, an insert which makes the Moog One suffer from the lack of stereo image. What an odd implementation of effects...