It’s obvious. No outside Knowledge. No outside influence, only Security droids, Police State kinda System where everything needs to stay (cause Barrier). World Building is good and makes it obvious That Society isnt free
The biggest eyebrow raise moment for me was establishing that this planet during the New Republic era, is still using Old Republic money as currency, that got my attention
They were fairly specific that the credits were "Old Republic", so I would agree with you about At Attin being 'cut off' from the rest of the galaxy since the days of the "Old Republic". I really liked the analysis of At Attin's society, economic system and how it relates to what has happened in the rest of the galaxy. There are a lot of really good points made in this video. I have not seen the first two episodes, but a few things caught my attention in the trailers / sneak peeks, and they tie in with the mystery of At Attin in various ways though I tend to look at this from a story perspective. Jod Na Nawood is Force Sensitive and also appears to be Captain Silvo whose pirate crew mutinied against him. Could he be a survivor of the Order 66 Jedi Purge like Kanan Jarrus / Jedi Padawan Caleb Dume? Except, where Kanan joined up with the Rebellion Jod ended up joining a crew of pirates? Based off of what we have seen so far, I expect him to be a sort of Long John Silver mentor to the kids, especially Wim, helping them with an eye to uncovering the treasure of At Attin when he will betray them, but will probably have a change of heart and save them in the end. If the writers are tying the series to the "Old Republic" and Jod is an Order 66 padawan survivor, could they be looking at some symmetry regarding the destruction of the Jedi Temple by Anakin and Order 66 and when the 'old' Empire attacked and destroyed the Jedi Temple in "Star Wars the Old Republic"? The Jedi Order moved to Tython after the Old Republic's Jedi Temple was destroyed, but they never mentioned what happened to the Jedi Younglings. Could the Jedi Younglings have been sent away to a far-off planet on the edge, or just beyond the edge of the galaxy where the Sith Empire could not find them? Perhaps with a group of 'Nanny' droids watching over them? We have already seen the "Peter Pan" story influence with SM-EE the droid first-mate ("Smee") so why not "Nana" who took care of the children in Peter Pan? The "Nana" / safety droids were tasked with protecting the younglings, but they took their job to an extreme, creating a perfect society that they completely control on At Attin. Where the adults live their lives but are not actually in control, sort of a twisted Never-Never Land, where even the adults never grow up to control their own lives. In this case the lost treasure of At Attin are the Jedi Younglings (now their decedents) from the destruction of the Old Republic's Jedi Temple, a nice symmetry to Kanan (and possibly Jod) surviving the Order 66 destruction of the Jedi Temple. This would also explain what appears to be the kids discovering a Jedi hologram message in the trailer. An interesting twist on all of this would be if Wim, who wants to be a Jedi, turns out to be descendent of the pirate Captain of the Onyx Cinder. Jod the former Jedi Padawan becomes a pirate and Win who wants to be a Jedi is actually the descendent of a pirate. This twist is a real longshot, but the Star Wars writers do love their plot twists. I also like the reverse Peter Pan symmetry of At Attin being a prefect Never-Never Land utopia, isolated and cut off from the real galaxy, and the real galaxy being where all the pirates and adventure is. Instead of the children escaping the real world they are escaping the utopia to adventure in the real world. Again, that would be a nice twist by the writers. Well, this is all a LOT of speculation on my part, and I am probably completely wrong about all of this, but it has been fun playing with these ideas and trying to figure out exactly where the writers are going based off the hints they have dropped! I am looking forward to getting Disney+ just long enough to watch Skeleton Crew and see what the REAL story will be! Oh, I also loved how they used the "Major Tom" song in the trailers but changed the lyrics to Huttese! Great fun!
@@GenerationTech I also think the reason why Vim knows about the Jedi is simply because of that data pad with all the stories he has, which he probably got from his mother, as they did hint that his mother used to tell him stories. His mother might actually be a jedi.
I wonder if the people on At Attin even know about the Empire or even the Clone Wars since they’ve so cut off which is why they also know about the Jedi
not just jedi... *they know the sith as well* the kid at the start is playing with a jedi *and* sith toy, which tells you whenever they got cut off from the galaxy. The sith were common knoweledge... like oh i don't know... durring a certain dark emperor's rein?
@@craytherlaygaming2852 Exactly cause during imperial era, people didn't really know about the sith cause, they were long forgotten even by the jedi by the late high republic era. No one really knew that sidious and vader were sith lords or what sith were, he was just a power hungry maniac in their eyes. This evidence suggests the Barrier was placed at least a post russan reformation time, but probably further, maybe new sith wars?
The droids give mad Big Brother vibes on At Attin, whatever is hidden on this planet, its done pretty well to itself for generations at the cost of its people's freedoms.
@@merafirewing6591 So an isolated world with limited progress but a high standard of living? Could this be a rich atoll linked to the core worlds for trade but limited by access?
Yeah I had that same feeling too. Droids keeping that many restrictions on when ships can travel off-world is always a major flag that something's wrong.
Droids are far too expensive to be doing all this security duty when planetary defense forces could do it at cheaper costs. The fact that they're not actually defending it also, but instead serve more as a surveillance system just makes me think this is some form of experiment or secret project. I'm probably wrong, but it's the vibe I had
55 year old SW fan since I saw the first movie back in 77. I have really enjoyed all the new content. Totally liked what I have seen of the first 2 episodes of Skelton Crew.
@ you liked the last Jedi? That is interesting. That of course is your right. I just wish people would stop saying someone who didn’t is toxic for thinking differently
@@ShawnWinters-bw5xm I've been called all kinds of things by simply saying I liked this or that from Star Wars. A certain sect of "fans" is very toxic.
Knowing the people are isolated reminds me of when in Legends a Sith colony crashed on a planet with no hope of leaving due to the planet’s magnetic field. So they stayed there undisturbed and grew in size until they were picked up by Abeloth and fought Luke Skywalker
Great assesment and there is definitely something off about this planet. It started for me when the droid immediately found Wim skipping school. The droid either had some sort of tracking ability or was already guarding the crash site
Wim did shout for help, which I think they would be attuned to respond to that. Not sure how deep in the woods he and the droid were. They then had the rest of the day to explore the site, so a guardian droid wasn't doing their job.
One other interesting connection is the fact that just like gold-backed currency, the suburban model of housing development only works in the long run when economic growth is slowed to a halt. This is because in both cases, supply of a resource (money & housing respectively) is artificially constrained. Under these conditions, growth destabilizes the price of the resource, leading to labor surpluses on the one hand (i.e. unemployment) and housing bubbles on the other. It’s fascinating for the show to make these connections because they underscore At Attin’s philosophy of stability at all cost. It seems like they’ve given up on the very idea of growth and opted for a managed stagnation. This along with AI doing all the really useful work leads to a society where people’s natural thirst for struggle and achievement is actively stifled. As someone who majored in econ, you’ve just made this show way more exciting to me. Great video! :)
Also worth noting, when labor surpluses are an issue in the Star Wars universe, or when people just feel compelled to spread their wings, the planet coukd ordinarily just pack those people on a ship and send them on their merry way. That At Attin is still a secret means the authorities have diligently prevented that, but have done so without anti-aircraft towers, etc. They have gone to great lengths to maintain stability, and to seemingly do so peacefully. And without any apparent population controls, to boot.
@@jamesmcdonald3294 Eh, I'm willing to bet some kind of population control might later be revealed, if only because this society gives me some major The Giver vibes. Though then again, Neel's family seems on the bigger side and maybe that would be too dark if the goal is to get the kids back home.
@@kateorgera5907 Neel's family was exactly my reason for assuming there's no population control, but two thoughts have occurred to me since. 1. Species is a confounding variable. Star Wars has precedent of policies making special considerations based on a species' reproductive abilities (Jedi Master KI-adi Mundi). 2. Fern's seemingly childish stories about the mines, and the parents' anxiety over their children's educational success could be a Chekhov's Gun. The droids may be putting underperformers to work in hazardous conditions because - with tech resources apparently strained by isolation of the planet (e.g., the power converter) - humans are more expendable than the droids.
Well after watching "good urbanism" videos, I've learned that the infrastructure replacement costs of suburbs are not sustainable by people living there (suburban property taxes). Suburbs were subsidized by urban property taxes and real estate development. We haven't had a no-growth economic model for centuries, I think. A sustainable world would need to be that way in the long term. Non-growth is not the same as stagnation. Now if people can't move up the economic ladder then that's something else, (social stratification?) but we didn't see that. Perhaps Neel's family is larger than most, because they are under-represented. I counted only two to four others of his species in the school test center, although we didn't see all 180 students at their desks. The problem with gold-backed currency is that money needs to transfer throughout the economy to keep it working. If enough people decide they're just going to hold onto it, then the system breaks down. There was once a movement to allow people to turn in their silver to be used as coins to get the economy going. They didn't do that but did find gold in Alaska which put more gold coins in circulation and helped solve the problem. Paper money has its problems too, like if it's not tied to gold or precious metal reserves, then it can inflate, especially if they keep printing it. One thousand dollars in 1982 is worth about $3000 in 2022, I read. And due to relative stability, the American dollar is what other countries' central bank wants to have for reserve currency!
I enjoy your perspective on Skeleton Crew especially looking at their currency. Looking at At Atin may allow us to examine certain things from our world just as the prison from Andor allowed us to reconsider the Foucault’s writing on Bentham’s Panopticon. I wonder how this will world will compare to the society in THX-1138. It definitely feel dystopian. The first two episodes have established a great beginning.
Yes, the suburbs in North America are not very efficient; sprawl is bad. I've been watching good urbanism videos, and they say that they're inefficient and unsustainable: the urban centers helped subsidize them as well as real estate developers. Replacing aging infrastructure might be beyond the tax base of the residents. Maybe these four just happen to be the elite so get to live outside of town. Of course back in the day, the rich had their own area of town with their mansions, but not removed from it like living in suburban or rural estates. Dystopian? It depends on what happens to people who don't measure up. It looked like there were 180 seats for kids Wim's and Neel's age to take the test. Neel said those who fail wouldn't advance; so they'd have to repeat the year? What jobs do the bottom percentile get? That would be telling as what they do with adults who misbehave. (Fern seemed to recognize the whorehouse on the pirate asteroid, so maybe she knows?) I didn't see Wim's and Fern's grandparents. You'd think a stable, peaceful society would have grandparents involved? I do think the droids allow adolescent and teenage rebellion (bikes aren't confiscated), knowing that growing up they will want to strive to keep their place in society. But hey, 1000 years of peace, c'mon, that sounds like good social engineering! Which is why I thought the kids would know conflict resolution and could have solved the tribes' dispute in episode 4, instead of Jod doing everything.
I get big "The Village" vibes from this planet. The roads, cars, and suburbs are just the Star Wars equivalent to a 17th century village in our timeline. The other thing it reminds me of is Zakuul, the Sith Emperor's secret side project planet.
Something kinda interesting is that the security droids and teacher droids on At Attin share alot of similarities with Huyang's design, possibly because of the planet being stuck in a hyperspace anomaly the technology hasn't really progressed/they have no need for progression. Perhaps the automated aspect of the society means the planet is run entirely by droids in the background, or something more sinister, kinda like the Vault 31 revelation from the Fallout show; one big mystery over generations.
Chances are that At Attin was founded by people who wanted to get away from whatever bad thing was going on in the galaxy at that time. (Maybe one of the times the Sith or the Mandalorians were attacking half the galaxy, or the Nihil were doing stuff, or maybe even the Clone Wars) They didn't want outsiders to mess up their peaceful life and isolated themselves.
@@Hartzilla2007 I think At Attin has been lost for a few centuries. Wim carried Old Republic credits, and no one outside of the planet believed it was real. I'd wager At Attin is an Old Republic colony world that became isolated and has had to be entirely self sufficient.
*Checks the timeline for the old republic* yeah, I'd probably cut my planet off from the rest of the galaxy if the fucking sith empire rolled up to my doorstep with the starforge.
@@Psub950does anyone ever really conquer Coruscant, or do they just take control of the upper portions and dump God knows what into the lower portions and call it a day?
@@firstoffproductions1462 True, but the Vong are the first faction I thought of when I typed "...dump God knows what into the Lower portions and call it a day." Because they somehow made the lower levels of Coruscant worse.
Watching the episode as someone seeking an urban planning degree made me look at the infrastructure... which then made me notice all the little details. This planet felt really disturbing to me and the prevalence of droids felt.... different than the rest of star wars.
I did some planning in college. Suburbs feel restrictive and isolating, with the yard work & maintenance of a rural home, but without the freedom of the country nor the walkability of a well planned city. I live in a a crowded apartment in the suburbs so you still have to drive everywhere, but at least I don't do any maintenance. I either want my own rural property, or a mixed use apartment. Medium density plus a central park makes more sense to me than huge yards the HOA or city tells you how to landscape that are still too small for team sports or farm animals. The show does a great job of making the suburb feel eerie and isolating. The droids doing everything is a nice touch.
@@GAJake Yes, they thought they would give it the feel of the '80s with _The Goonies_ and _E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial,_ with kids on bikes living in a safe neighborhood. But suburbs have gotten worse since then with kids not being safe from traffic and unable to bike wherever they want to go. I've been watching "good urbanism" videos and suburbs are not sustainable.
This was for my age group. The beginning mirrored the beginning of A New Hope. The neighbourhood mainly drew from ET (even the boy's speeder bike). The kids are the crew from Goonies, and a few of the droids are from "Droids". I even noticed a 7 of 9 reference. It's a good way to share my youth with my son!
Not to mention the little holo show Neel’s siblings are watching? That is literally from the Star Wars Holiday Special. As in that exact holovideo is in the Special. XD
Honestly At Attin deserved criticism at the start from that trailer, i know people who won't even watch the show based on that clip. Even i was pretty critical but its explained to make it interesting enough to be invested in whats going on here rather than just a "get me off this planet"
I'm so tired of people complaining about how the planet looks, the star wars galaxy is so big that surely one planet could look like our world just a bit, but nooooo, that's too far fetched, honestly of all the reasons to not like and watch Skeleton Crew the way At Attin looks is not one of them, or at least it shouldn't be for someone who was more then two brain cells and isn't just a hater.
“Who knew Star Wars could be this deep?” Spoken by our own Allen, the guy who takes Star Wars to the deepest levels! Thanks for this insight. I am halfway through episode 1 and I can already tell I’m going back for a re-watch. As always, thanks for the great content!
I got the impression that they're going for a similar idea to "The Foundation" where someone saw the galactic dark age most of the Star Wars we're familiar with takes place in and tried to build a very controlled society set apart from it. Interested to see where they go with it. A bit more depth and intrigue than I was expecting from this show.
That sounds plausible. I've been afraid to watch _Foundation_ since they say it diverges quite a bit from the original. Even the author Isaac Asimov couldn't get back in the groove of what he was talking about in 1950 when he returned in the 1970s. I mean, why shouldn't psycho-historians and agents with mental powers run the galaxy for the benefit of all, bringing on a renaissance after 1000 years of the dark ages?
honestly though that'll happen if you walk in with 2 gold coins too, or also quite likely if you walk in with no coins at all. in fact, i would say a brawl in a ankh morpork bar is more certainty than contingency.
Maybe this is like the galactic equivalent of the Roman and Byzantine Empires. From the East’s perspective the empire never fell the west just got unruly but from the West’s perspective it did.
I didn’t have high hopes for this show. Which makes the positives all the better! I agree that there is much more complexity under the surface for adults to enjoy while the kids watching get a Goonies in space.
This planet reminds me a lot of Paradis from Attack on Titan. A society completely blocked off from the rest of the world by a massive barrier, while the society inside is contained in a frozen time period of "mostly" peaceful bliss. All the while a secret force for the government closely monitors all levels of society.
I think this planet was some kind of old republic social experiment that fell off the radar when Palpatine took over. They've been in a time warp since. The ship the kids escaped on is older than the barrier which is why it could go through the barrier. The droids referred to the area where the ship was as "restricted" . The planet reminds me of certain societies we saw in Star Trek, where the enterprise would find worlds that were frozen in time and cut off from the rest of the galaxy. Very excited to see what happens next!
At Attin kindof reminds me of that episode of DS9 where the colony ship is stranded and they all become ludites living without technology separated from galactic society, but the leader of the colony secretly wanted it because she believed it was what was best for society. At Attin seems like an experiment by someone disillusioned with the system of the Old Republic, so founds this colony on a remote planet cut off from the rest of the galaxy to build their ideal society based on how they believe society in the republic should be because the administrator lady even says they do what they do for the republic to make it stronger.
We don't know about the Great Work that gives analysts' live meaning or purpose. But if they have been peaceful for 1000 years, then it's a successful experiment.
Very limited career options, in banking I presume. But they've got years to get them to conform, and in the meantime can allow people like Fern to be a little rebellious. Her mother said in episode 3 that she and her friends would run away and be brought back by the safety droids.
Hey now! See... This is why I love your channel. I'll be honest. I got "tired head" trying to understand that scene with the kids in school. I'm so glad you took the time and effort to understand it and present it to us. Very cool man.
Seriously the kid trying to pay for a bowl of slump with a Mint Old Republic datarie credit would be like Trying to pay for your seasonal McRib (or fried Ewok Cheeks) with a gold dubloon. 🤔 Permanent society placement testing for children? "The Great Work"? Definitely something is up here.
Apparently "The Great Works" are a project set up by a High Republic Chancellor before the Hyperspace Disaster, so it seems like At Attin's been isolated for several hundred years.
@@ZainKaneko More likely, a $5000 bill. And that's a conservative estimate, assuming regular inflation, and they're not simply thousand year old coins, with collectible value.
An important detail I noticed is the specifications around *old* republic credits Not republic credits, *old* republic, and the republic itself from before the clonewars isn't nearly old enough to be referred to that way, which means they are referring to fing Revan era shit here. And note *if* they are that old, is it any WONDER they are cut off from tha galaxy and know about BOTH sith AND jedi?, like BRUH, the sith were probaly ransaking the jedi temple when this little bubble was formed.
I think you’re right but I wonder if the High Republic could be considered “old republic” as well from the perspective of those in the New Republic era
"and the republic itself from before the clonewars isn't nearly old enough to be referred to that way" Tarkin literally calls it that in A New Hope. plus the credits are using the Prequel era Republic symbol.
The pre-empire Republic as a whole is referred to as the Old Republic, basically from its founding till order 66. So it could be as recent as the clone wars
@@AR-io8fv Sentry Droids stopped being used around the time Darth Bane existed and the Sith were destroyed. This planet is protected by them. Which means it’s either over 1,000 years old, or they spent a lot of money to make Sentry Droids
Not unusual in SW canon, especially Legacy. There were a number of places with very obscure and dangerous hyperspace routes to access. This barrier likely blocks signals and energy transmissions. Plus a ship blockade; though, that makes little sense as surely supplies of some form would be needed. Especially with Old Republic level tech.
Maybe when he was in the vault Dooku deleted At Attin too. It could have been a fallback for him in case his plans went to hell. Maybe he could sneak in with a solar sail? Ok I’ll stop with this headcanon.
There was also what appeared to be a throwaway line of Wim not needing to be a protector because "that's what the sentry droids are for." At Attin is probably far better defended than it appears.
@m.c.martin I think we are going to find out that At Attl is an Outer Rim world that was cut off during the Great Hyperspace Disaster, but it remained lost. So its last contact with the rest of the galaxy would have been 100 years before The Acolyte took place. That means they've been cut off for nearly 250 years by the time this series takes place, unless the barrier itself is a hyperspace barrier that warped time (i.e., it's only been a few years from the perspective of At Attl).
This show got me by surprise. I am intriqued and intrested. Actually looking forward to learning more about it! That hasn't happened for quite some time!
It reminds me of a Hidden Jedi City [or to be more direct a Hidden Old Republic city run by droids] from the Star Wars children books. The city I read about was an undergound hidden city on Yavin 4 and had a kid Jedi Prince hidden away and protected by droids of the city.
The trailer showed Fern's mom, Fara, sending them a message, so either she spoke with the Supervisor and got permission, or went around him/her to do it. But it's still possible there's a droid, computer or former pirate in charge.
The show does a great job of making the suburb feel eerie and isolating. The droids doing everything is a nice touch. Suburbs have the yard work & maintenance of the country but without the freedom of it, nor the walkability of a well planned city. I rent a crowded apartment in the suburbs so you still have to drive everywhere, but at least I don't do any maintenance. I either want my own rural property, or a mixed use apartment where I can walk places. Multi-family residences in walking distance to a park makes more sense to me than huge yards if the HOA or city tells you what to do on it anyway they might as well maintain it. Plus yards are still too small for a farm, ranch, sports field, starship landing pad, or blaster range.
My theory is this planet was a safe haven for the separatists who went into hiding near the end of the clone wars to prevent them from being prosecuted for their association with count douku and have been in hiding from the empire and the new republic ever since ?
It's a time travel jaunt akin to Flight of the Navigator. I mean, the clue is in the title. They're from the distant past, which would make them skeletons in the future. It's why everything is in mint condition and slightly off. Even if it was protected from the outside universe, it would still feel lived in. I think the clouded sky will be a plot device as the stars the past sees won't be the stars the present sees.
This is why I love your channel, yes there is something sus about this planet , and I love that ! How well manicured everything is , hurrying the education of the children along ! It’s really disturbing! The fact that they have a barrier! Definitely weird
That explains why there's so little space traffic around At-Atan. Aside from that starship the kids accidentally blast off in, you really don't see any other spacecraft near or on the planet. Even a backwater planet like Tatooine had plenty of space traffic near major settlements.
The feeling I get from the planet's suburban look is a big Spielberg vibe, not from the Goonies, but from E.T. or Close Encounters. Spielberg knew, that if he put familiar, even ordinary things in his movies, the audience would relate more. So with SK, we start with ordinary, hum drum things, and then thrust you into the high fantasy. It works for me.
Last Starfighter and Flight of the Navigator vibes definitely. and on the 2nd Episode they went Pirates of the Caribean. Especially with the key scene. :D
The problem is that the suburbs of the '80s allowed kids safety with some freedom of movement on their bikes. This has gone away with traffic and other dangers. So suburbs come across as dystopian: no parental supervision, no grandparents; even without traffic it seems like urban sprawl. You even see the undeveloped woods between the suburbs and the Supervisor's tower.
This reminds me of Andor . That is, the heist of credits led to the start of the rebellion in Andor would have so much harder of a time happening here. Well before you get to any military defenses, you have to first know that this planet or moon even exists. Then you would have to make it to the surface of the planet. Then you would would have to use public transportation or kids toys to get around, all of which is monitored. Then you would have to recruit people who seem to have very comfortable lives and little knowledge of how to survive outside of this society (or in any form of nature for that matter). Then you would have to be able to coordinate either a plan or at least some of the details of the plan with an entity off planet Then you would have to deal with the unknown number od droids and sentient beings whose sole purpose it is to stop this from happening. The heist in Andor seemed super hard. This eems near impossible.
6:44 you mention about the abundant labor pool given all the robots, however his father is constantly working. The children are also asked about how to contribute to their great work.
That classroom scene gave me Farris Beuler vibes, I REALLY appreciate you explaining this as I only caught some of it, and didn't understand the wider implications.
This is why I watch this channel! It brings such an enlightened perspective on the Star Wars lore and history without being so focused on the Jedi history and lore that just gets boring and causes it to lose its mystery and wonder. This channel is full of deep interpretations, insight, with such an understanding of Star Wars lore in all avenues. This is now my favorite Star Wars TH-cam channel. Awesome stuff!
I honestly live seeing suburbs, makes sense they're in star wars, theres so many planets and works great with these dark undertones. Getting mad about suburbs is like watching only movies about NYC and westerns and getting mad seeing subs when u visit the usa 😅
Not to mention that we only see one neighborhood in Star Wars Canon and that’s Mos Espa’s Slave Quarters on Tatooine. In a deleted scene we sort of see the neighborhood where Padme spent some of childhood. Everything else in Canon is either apartments, houses in towns/cities or farms or manors in the middle of nowhere/
Seriously, with Star Wars it's always either huge glimmering cities or backwater dumps where the most advanced technology is the automatic door. It's nice seeing something distinctly middle-class.
I had a feeling after _The Force Awakens_ that if Rey ever went looking for her mom, she'd find her raising a couple daughters in a suburban home like one of these. Then she'd blow up her mom's kitchen with a Force tantrum for being left behind before leaving.
I always appreciate your well thought out analysis, Alan. You pick up on details that most people would have missed and integrate it into your theories in ways that convince me that you're right. Keep on truckin', man!
What I find curious is that the only vehicles on the planet that do not run on rails and thus are not really safe are the speeders of the little kids. That seems quite paradox.
It's a callback to the freedom the kids had in the '80s and in '80s movies. (Someone said the droids don't confiscate kids' bikes because they have to give them the illusion of freedom of movement.) Today there's traffic and it's not safe for them to wander neighborhoods or ride bikes everywhere they want to go. A parent has to drive them even a couple miles down the road and not let them out of an adult's sight!
I definitely get distopia vibes, i wonder if there comes a point at adulthood where you get shown all the horrible things that have gone down in the outside galaxy and you have a choice to stay or go and I'm sure most would choose to stay, but that's completely speculation (I also think this planet might be actual Old Republic old)
Wanted to point out something mentioned by the Undersecretary, this is from Wookieepedia but I remembered hearing it the first episode, "Based on the test, they will be assigned a career path linked to their planet At Attin's contribution to the Republic's Great Work, keeping the Republic "peaceful and strong." The Republic's Great Work is High Republic era. So At Attin may have been isolated since then. But I bet some know what was going on in the rest of the galaxy.
If the peoples on At Attin were truly isolated for centuries, how did they sustain themselves? Where did they get the raw materials for making tools, resources such as fuels for ships and speeders, and ingredients to make foods for the peoples?
They have whole planet judgeing by what we see..also look at all there cloths,items all simple basic nothing flashy that we have seen else where, who ever is running the show is doing so in a very well managed use of resources, also while ships might be not allowed i bet the have a gravity claw pull in loose space rocks also the fact when do big brother like factions follow there own rules, nah raw resourced isnt the big thing.
@@alexshinra6722 I didnt wanan be mean but it was such a silly question especially when its a Earthlike planet with clearly no overpopulation issues so a fuckton of resources
@@GazingTrandoshan ngl i did have to hold back going nuts at the fact there on a habitial world with city sprawl and town sprawl and useing soild gold as currency i think raw resources are fine.
We need to make our world sustainable which eventually means no growth. But that blows the mind of people who have economic models based on growth and the illusion of infinite resources.
@@sandal_thong i think there is also a good number of those folk that follow the idea path of "any problems down the line next generation can deal with it, as i wont be here"
I’m wondering if this could be the last remnant of The Old Republic pre reformation after the last Sith war or even a bit earlier right before the Sith wars got bad. That could explain why everything on the planet is so restrictive, the barrier and how effective it is, their knowledge of both the Jedi and Sith, etc. That could be the “gold and treasure” everyone outside the planet is hunting for. All the lost technology, knowledge, and wealth of the Old Republic.
That's actually cool theory, with all that corruption going on back then. It's possible that some wealthy members of the Old Republic Jedi discovered the planet due to abundance of precious metals and good climate developed a barrier to isolate the planet. The technology they probably have is still cutting edge even for the New Republic.
As far as At Attin goes, I'm getting The Village vibes. I think the first generation self-isolated with following generations either eventually being brought into the isolation conspiracy or essentially being forced to isolate through the automated systems. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to find that At Attin isn't actually a planet. Maybe an artificial world or a purpose built/terraformed world.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this in the show. It felt very ominous. Something just didn't feel right about this planet. It felt like a conspiracy was going in that world.
just watched the second episode and i was like "you paid with what???" and the fact that kids didn´t knew about starships made me doubt too, even kids on the middle and outter rim knew at least how to dismantle them
I do have a theory about At Attin. I think the planet is an Old Republic mint. The credit is refferanced as being in MINT condition, like it was just made. The droids might be running the mines to get the metal and have the factory's to make the coins. A mint planet would explain why the culture is so focussed on banking and economics, as they are the descendents of bankers and experts at market research. The barrier could be an old security thing, like a planetary shield. Hyperspace lanes could have closed, the location was lost amd over time the tales of a planet where money grew on trees and it was shipped across the galaxy could have risen. They weren't in hyperspace very long, so likely still in area which is how the locals remember the tale. Also their ship must have a ghost transponder rhat let them dock. I dont remember exactly where, but i think a pirate says that their ship had clearance to dock. Anyways, those are my theory's after watching the first 2 episodes. Really looking forward to more
Yes. This was a time when it was safe for kids to bike in the suburbs and be home alone. It seems odd today when we talk about urban sprawl, traffic and kids have to be driven everywhere because it's not safe for bikes.
Alan, the closer equivalent to the testing system would be the British except Scotland GCSEs and A Levels. You can leave school and enter work at 16 with your GCSE, or if you continue to 18 your scores on the GCSE determines what A Levels you can take, and then from those what University courses you would be able to get into. There are other tests taken at younger ages, but they don’t have much of an impact of what you can study later. In essence, at 11 you’re deciding what courses to take to determine your career.
7:16 if I lived in Star Wars, I would probably be a pilot. But a 12-year-old IN THE STAR WARS UNIVERS WANTS TO BE AN ANLYST. Something is definitely wrong.
My dude, my dude. Thank you! For the deep lore details, for the economic analysis. I only took microeconomics but I kept asking myself. Why are old Republic credits so valuable? Isn't it just scarcity? Wouldn't the pirates' plan to flood the New Republic market just devalue them almost instantly? I had considered a precious metal standard but I didn't know enough of the lore to be sure. So thank YOU for paying attention to the droid lesson, and translating it for us biology majors. :)
@ Could it just be a shorthand colloquialism? Sure… but other characters almost always refer to it as the New Republic so I choose to speculate wildly and sniff conspiracy at every turn.
Like the first thik i saw was that somethink is very wrong there plus the school system is very very wrong like dude asks normal question and they shut him up
I think the Barrier is something that keeps their planet hidden from the galaxy & that’s why they don’t want anyone going outside of it. It would risk revealing the planet’s existence which seems like it has been cut off from the galaxy for decades, at least. SM-33 (or Mr Smee, right?) and the ship have been on the planet long enough for all of that vegetation, including trees, to grow on top of it. And it seems the ship was automated to jump to hyperspace. That ship’s origin is going to be important.
@ I don’t think it’s that long. Thry may have been isolated for that long, but I would say the hiding could have been within the last 100-200 years. Long enough for them to miss all the wars & become thought of as just a myth.
This show has a very "Fallout" feel to it. I think the people who started this colony (senators who were kicked out of the Senate) sensed the beginning of the clone wars. So they started this colony in secret as a way to hold onto and hide the "Old Republics" ways and laws from what was happening in the galaxy. Unfortunately, those people who started this were killed before they could get there once the clone wars started. And just like the clone army before the war...forgotten.
I absolutely love your channel Alan, probably the best channel on TH-cam to be fair. I especially love your deep dives into the politics of Star Wars and your thought provoking explanations about differing forms of governance and the dangers inherent in authoritarianism. Truly fascinating. Keep it up.
What if the At Attin was colonized by the soldiers that fought for the sith before the Ruusan reformation? Maybe they fled to the planet and hid it under a barrier to avoid Republic and Jedi wrath.
The moment the security droids automatic response to a starship leaving the barrier and it being illegal for it to take off is what made me feel off. What made me think more was the word "barrier". Why not zone or border or even sector. The area when the dad was told the "area" was restricted. Maybe it's me over thinking but using the word barrier seems like a word to them being cut off.
The part that made me think not is all as it appears when one parent said there is limited space at the top. The way she said it was almost in fear of what would happen to her kid if she didn't get a top placement. Is this world a nightmare if you are not at the top?
It gave me a feeling of "There is no war in Ba sing se".
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
What war?
Superintendent Fara invites you to visit Lake No Jedi...
It’s obvious. No outside Knowledge. No outside influence, only Security droids, Police State kinda System where everything needs to stay (cause Barrier).
World Building is good and makes it obvious That Society isnt free
YES! That was the exact thing I thought. I even made this comment on the "Star Wars Explained" episode review.
The biggest eyebrow raise moment for me was establishing that this planet during the New Republic era, is still using Old Republic money as currency, that got my attention
XD Movie oversight
Maybe it's an old republic planet seperated from the galaxy by the "barrier"
They were fairly specific that the credits were "Old Republic", so I would agree with you about At Attin being 'cut off' from the rest of the galaxy since the days of the "Old Republic".
I really liked the analysis of At Attin's society, economic system and how it relates to what has happened in the rest of the galaxy. There are a lot of really good points made in this video.
I have not seen the first two episodes, but a few things caught my attention in the trailers / sneak peeks, and they tie in with the mystery of At Attin in various ways though I tend to look at this from a story perspective.
Jod Na Nawood is Force Sensitive and also appears to be Captain Silvo whose pirate crew mutinied against him. Could he be a survivor of the Order 66 Jedi Purge like Kanan Jarrus / Jedi Padawan Caleb Dume? Except, where Kanan joined up with the Rebellion Jod ended up joining a crew of pirates? Based off of what we have seen so far, I expect him to be a sort of Long John Silver mentor to the kids, especially Wim, helping them with an eye to uncovering the treasure of At Attin when he will betray them, but will probably have a change of heart and save them in the end.
If the writers are tying the series to the "Old Republic" and Jod is an Order 66 padawan survivor, could they be looking at some symmetry regarding the destruction of the Jedi Temple by Anakin and Order 66 and when the 'old' Empire attacked and destroyed the Jedi Temple in "Star Wars the Old Republic"? The Jedi Order moved to Tython after the Old Republic's Jedi Temple was destroyed, but they never mentioned what happened to the Jedi Younglings.
Could the Jedi Younglings have been sent away to a far-off planet on the edge, or just beyond the edge of the galaxy where the Sith Empire could not find them? Perhaps with a group of 'Nanny' droids watching over them? We have already seen the "Peter Pan" story influence with SM-EE the droid first-mate ("Smee") so why not "Nana" who took care of the children in Peter Pan? The "Nana" / safety droids were tasked with protecting the younglings, but they took their job to an extreme, creating a perfect society that they completely control on At Attin. Where the adults live their lives but are not actually in control, sort of a twisted Never-Never Land, where even the adults never grow up to control their own lives.
In this case the lost treasure of At Attin are the Jedi Younglings (now their decedents) from the destruction of the Old Republic's Jedi Temple, a nice symmetry to Kanan (and possibly Jod) surviving the Order 66 destruction of the Jedi Temple. This would also explain what appears to be the kids discovering a Jedi hologram message in the trailer.
An interesting twist on all of this would be if Wim, who wants to be a Jedi, turns out to be descendent of the pirate Captain of the Onyx Cinder. Jod the former Jedi Padawan becomes a pirate and Win who wants to be a Jedi is actually the descendent of a pirate. This twist is a real longshot, but the Star Wars writers do love their plot twists.
I also like the reverse Peter Pan symmetry of At Attin being a prefect Never-Never Land utopia, isolated and cut off from the real galaxy, and the real galaxy being where all the pirates and adventure is. Instead of the children escaping the real world they are escaping the utopia to adventure in the real world. Again, that would be a nice twist by the writers.
Well, this is all a LOT of speculation on my part, and I am probably completely wrong about all of this, but it has been fun playing with these ideas and trying to figure out exactly where the writers are going based off the hints they have dropped!
I am looking forward to getting Disney+ just long enough to watch Skeleton Crew and see what the REAL story will be!
Oh, I also loved how they used the "Major Tom" song in the trailers but changed the lyrics to Huttese! Great fun!
@@jamesandrysik4183 The first two episodes kind of surprised me in a good way. I was skeptical but its been enjoyable so far.
Yeah but not galactic republic chits. Like literal Kotor money.
The ultimate evil has befallen At Attin: the entire planet is one giant HOA
That's horrifying
A community of nuclear families.
I'll take Palpatine over a HOA.
Truly dystopic
@@tharivol123me too.
I wonder if we'll find out that his mom was killed or imprisoned for dissonance and that's why his dad is obsessed with getting his work done.
i feel like she escaped or something, and that Wim will find her in some pirate prison or as a pirate
@GenerationTech would be cool. Maybe they won't recognize each other at first depending on how old he was when she left.
@@GenerationTech I hope she's a badass pirate mom
@@DamnFineCupOfCoffeeI’m hoping for a Raven Branwen type character, but with a more amenable ending.
@@GenerationTech I also think the reason why Vim knows about the Jedi is simply because of that data pad with all the stories he has, which he probably got from his mother, as they did hint that his mother used to tell him stories. His mother might actually be a jedi.
I wonder if the people on At Attin even know about the Empire or even the Clone Wars since they’ve so cut off which is why they also know about the Jedi
This might be a coincidence but the kids at the beginning mimic what Vader said to obi wan in episode 4
not just jedi... *they know the sith as well* the kid at the start is playing with a jedi *and* sith toy, which tells you whenever they got cut off from the galaxy. The sith were common knoweledge... like oh i don't know...
durring a certain dark emperor's rein?
@ omg I didn’t even catch that at first, my god I can’t wait to find out more
@@craytherlaygaming2852 Exactly cause during imperial era, people didn't really know about the sith cause, they were long forgotten even by the jedi by the late high republic era. No one really knew that sidious and vader were sith lords or what sith were, he was just a power hungry maniac in their eyes. This evidence suggests the Barrier was placed at least a post russan reformation time, but probably further, maybe new sith wars?
@@Qoobon_also got the “You should not have come back” vibe.
The droids give mad Big Brother vibes on At Attin, whatever is hidden on this planet, its done pretty well to itself for generations at the cost of its people's freedoms.
Oh yes oh yes yes yes.
It's pretty much a lite version of 1984 but Star Wars Edition.
@@merafirewing6591 So an isolated world with limited progress but a high standard of living? Could this be a rich atoll linked to the core worlds for trade but limited by access?
An autocratic Antares Confederacy? Interesting
Pretty soon in 10 to 20 years with AI, robotics will be a problem for Earth.
Yeah I had that same feeling too. Droids keeping that many restrictions on when ships can travel off-world is always a major flag that something's wrong.
Droids are far too expensive to be doing all this security duty when planetary defense forces could do it at cheaper costs. The fact that they're not actually defending it also, but instead serve more as a surveillance system just makes me think this is some form of experiment or secret project. I'm probably wrong, but it's the vibe I had
I’m thinking last bastion after civilization falls or something similar to that.
I had the same feeling. Kinda like some social experiment.
@@venator-fb7yy I got a feeling it might have something to do with the separatists
Think back to that scene where wim falls down in the forest and a droid was right on his ass? The droids are really keeping an eye on things
the droids were near him because they were investigating a strange seismic reading ( caused by the ship taking off )
51 year old SW fan here, and I loved the show. Keep em' coming!
So far it's enjoyable! Until then I'll reserve my judgement until the end.
And yet if someone doesn’t like show they are told it’s because they are 50z interesting
55 year old SW fan since I saw the first movie back in 77. I have really enjoyed all the new content. Totally liked what I have seen of the first 2 episodes of Skelton Crew.
@ you liked the last Jedi? That is interesting. That of course is your right. I just wish people would stop saying someone who didn’t is toxic for thinking differently
@@ShawnWinters-bw5xm I've been called all kinds of things by simply saying I liked this or that from Star Wars. A certain sect of "fans" is very toxic.
Knowing the people are isolated reminds me of when in Legends a Sith colony crashed on a planet with no hope of leaving due to the planet’s magnetic field. So they stayed there undisturbed and grew in size until they were picked up by Abeloth and fought Luke Skywalker
I like that the kids are from a treasure planet and had they had no idea
Great assesment and there is definitely something off about this planet. It started for me when the droid immediately found Wim skipping school. The droid either had some sort of tracking ability or was already guarding the crash site
Wim did shout for help, which I think they would be attuned to respond to that. Not sure how deep in the woods he and the droid were. They then had the rest of the day to explore the site, so a guardian droid wasn't doing their job.
2:46 we got Alan saying skibidi before GTA6
He’s pushing me to the brink with that one
Wierd star wars skibidi droid before GTA6
One other interesting connection is the fact that just like gold-backed currency, the suburban model of housing development only works in the long run when economic growth is slowed to a halt. This is because in both cases, supply of a resource (money & housing respectively) is artificially constrained. Under these conditions, growth destabilizes the price of the resource, leading to labor surpluses on the one hand (i.e. unemployment) and housing bubbles on the other.
It’s fascinating for the show to make these connections because they underscore At Attin’s philosophy of stability at all cost. It seems like they’ve given up on the very idea of growth and opted for a managed stagnation. This along with AI doing all the really useful work leads to a society where people’s natural thirst for struggle and achievement is actively stifled.
As someone who majored in econ, you’ve just made this show way more exciting to me. Great video! :)
Also worth noting, when labor surpluses are an issue in the Star Wars universe, or when people just feel compelled to spread their wings, the planet coukd ordinarily just pack those people on a ship and send them on their merry way. That At Attin is still a secret means the authorities have diligently prevented that, but have done so without anti-aircraft towers, etc. They have gone to great lengths to maintain stability, and to seemingly do so peacefully. And without any apparent population controls, to boot.
Didn't suburbs really become a thing during the post WW2 book times? When the US economy was rapidly growing?
@@jamesmcdonald3294 Eh, I'm willing to bet some kind of population control might later be revealed, if only because this society gives me some major The Giver vibes. Though then again, Neel's family seems on the bigger side and maybe that would be too dark if the goal is to get the kids back home.
@@kateorgera5907 Neel's family was exactly my reason for assuming there's no population control, but two thoughts have occurred to me since.
1. Species is a confounding variable. Star Wars has precedent of policies making special considerations based on a species' reproductive abilities (Jedi Master KI-adi Mundi).
2. Fern's seemingly childish stories about the mines, and the parents' anxiety over their children's educational success could be a Chekhov's Gun. The droids may be putting underperformers to work in hazardous conditions because - with tech resources apparently strained by isolation of the planet (e.g., the power converter) - humans are more expendable than the droids.
Well after watching "good urbanism" videos, I've learned that the infrastructure replacement costs of suburbs are not sustainable by people living there (suburban property taxes). Suburbs were subsidized by urban property taxes and real estate development.
We haven't had a no-growth economic model for centuries, I think. A sustainable world would need to be that way in the long term. Non-growth is not the same as stagnation. Now if people can't move up the economic ladder then that's something else, (social stratification?) but we didn't see that. Perhaps Neel's family is larger than most, because they are under-represented. I counted only two to four others of his species in the school test center, although we didn't see all 180 students at their desks.
The problem with gold-backed currency is that money needs to transfer throughout the economy to keep it working. If enough people decide they're just going to hold onto it, then the system breaks down. There was once a movement to allow people to turn in their silver to be used as coins to get the economy going. They didn't do that but did find gold in Alaska which put more gold coins in circulation and helped solve the problem.
Paper money has its problems too, like if it's not tied to gold or precious metal reserves, then it can inflate, especially if they keep printing it. One thousand dollars in 1982 is worth about $3000 in 2022, I read. And due to relative stability, the American dollar is what other countries' central bank wants to have for reserve currency!
I enjoy your perspective on Skeleton Crew especially looking at their currency.
Looking at At Atin may allow us to examine certain things from our world just as the prison from Andor allowed us to reconsider the Foucault’s writing on Bentham’s Panopticon. I wonder how this will world will compare to the society in THX-1138.
It definitely feel dystopian. The first two episodes have established a great beginning.
Yes, the suburbs in North America are not very efficient; sprawl is bad. I've been watching good urbanism videos, and they say that they're inefficient and unsustainable: the urban centers helped subsidize them as well as real estate developers. Replacing aging infrastructure might be beyond the tax base of the residents. Maybe these four just happen to be the elite so get to live outside of town. Of course back in the day, the rich had their own area of town with their mansions, but not removed from it like living in suburban or rural estates.
Dystopian? It depends on what happens to people who don't measure up. It looked like there were 180 seats for kids Wim's and Neel's age to take the test. Neel said those who fail wouldn't advance; so they'd have to repeat the year? What jobs do the bottom percentile get? That would be telling as what they do with adults who misbehave. (Fern seemed to recognize the whorehouse on the pirate asteroid, so maybe she knows?) I didn't see Wim's and Fern's grandparents. You'd think a stable, peaceful society would have grandparents involved? I do think the droids allow adolescent and teenage rebellion (bikes aren't confiscated), knowing that growing up they will want to strive to keep their place in society. But hey, 1000 years of peace, c'mon, that sounds like good social engineering! Which is why I thought the kids would know conflict resolution and could have solved the tribes' dispute in episode 4, instead of Jod doing everything.
I get big "The Village" vibes from this planet. The roads, cars, and suburbs are just the Star Wars equivalent to a 17th century village in our timeline. The other thing it reminds me of is Zakuul, the Sith Emperor's secret side project planet.
Something kinda interesting is that the security droids and teacher droids on At Attin share alot of similarities with Huyang's design, possibly because of the planet being stuck in a hyperspace anomaly the technology hasn't really progressed/they have no need for progression. Perhaps the automated aspect of the society means the planet is run entirely by droids in the background, or something more sinister, kinda like the Vault 31 revelation from the Fallout show; one big mystery over generations.
Chances are that At Attin was founded by people who wanted to get away from whatever bad thing was going on in the galaxy at that time. (Maybe one of the times the Sith or the Mandalorians were attacking half the galaxy, or the Nihil were doing stuff, or maybe even the Clone Wars) They didn't want outsiders to mess up their peaceful life and isolated themselves.
Or say the Chancellor going crazy, killing the Jedi, and declaring himself emperor.
@@Hartzilla2007 I think At Attin has been lost for a few centuries. Wim carried Old Republic credits, and no one outside of the planet believed it was real. I'd wager At Attin is an Old Republic colony world that became isolated and has had to be entirely self sufficient.
FunFact: At Attin was referred to as the Jewel of the Old Republic in an interview
*Checks the timeline for the old republic* yeah, I'd probably cut my planet off from the rest of the galaxy if the fucking sith empire rolled up to my doorstep with the starforge.
@@craytherlaygaming2852 Especially the Canon Sith empire, i don't feel like fighting people that actually managed to conquer Coruscant
@@Psub950does anyone ever really conquer Coruscant, or do they just take control of the upper portions and dump God knows what into the lower portions and call it a day?
@@CountKibblesNBits at the very least the Vong did.
To the horror of trillions
@@firstoffproductions1462 True, but the Vong are the first faction I thought of when I typed "...dump God knows what into the Lower portions and call it a day." Because they somehow made the lower levels of Coruscant worse.
At Attin is literally space Singapore lol
Watching the episode as someone seeking an urban planning degree made me look at the infrastructure... which then made me notice all the little details. This planet felt really disturbing to me and the prevalence of droids felt.... different than the rest of star wars.
I did some planning in college. Suburbs feel restrictive and isolating, with the yard work & maintenance of a rural home, but without the freedom of the country nor the walkability of a well planned city. I live in a a crowded apartment in the suburbs so you still have to drive everywhere, but at least I don't do any maintenance. I either want my own rural property, or a mixed use apartment. Medium density plus a central park makes more sense to me than huge yards the HOA or city tells you how to landscape that are still too small for team sports or farm animals. The show does a great job of making the suburb feel eerie and isolating. The droids doing everything is a nice touch.
@ indeed
@@GAJake Yes, they thought they would give it the feel of the '80s with _The Goonies_ and _E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial,_ with kids on bikes living in a safe neighborhood. But suburbs have gotten worse since then with kids not being safe from traffic and unable to bike wherever they want to go. I've been watching "good urbanism" videos and suburbs are not sustainable.
This was for my age group. The beginning mirrored the beginning of A New Hope. The neighbourhood mainly drew from ET (even the boy's speeder bike). The kids are the crew from Goonies, and a few of the droids are from "Droids". I even noticed a 7 of 9 reference. It's a good way to share my youth with my son!
And Captain Silva (aka Jude Law's character) is a pretty obvious homage to Long John Silver from Treasure Island.
Not to mention the little holo show Neel’s siblings are watching? That is literally from the Star Wars Holiday Special. As in that exact holovideo is in the Special. XD
Episode 3 gave me _The Dark Crystal_ vibes: "The Great Conjunction is the end of the world! Or the beginning."
But I got nothing from episode 4.
Honestly At Attin deserved criticism at the start from that trailer, i know people who won't even watch the show based on that clip. Even i was pretty critical but its explained to make it interesting enough to be invested in whats going on here rather than just a "get me off this planet"
Agreed
Droids wouldn’t be used because the bias after the droid army killed billions
I'm so tired of people complaining about how the planet looks, the star wars galaxy is so big that surely one planet could look like our world just a bit, but nooooo, that's too far fetched, honestly of all the reasons to not like and watch Skeleton Crew the way At Attin looks is not one of them, or at least it shouldn't be for someone who was more then two brain cells and isn't just a hater.
A galaxy with trillions of planets and one with a suburbia vibe scares off people. Are people that dumb?
@ I think you misunderstand a review or a criticism with what fear means
“Who knew Star Wars could be this deep?” Spoken by our own Allen, the guy who takes Star Wars to the deepest levels! Thanks for this insight. I am halfway through episode 1 and I can already tell I’m going back for a re-watch. As always, thanks for the great content!
I got the impression that they're going for a similar idea to "The Foundation" where someone saw the galactic dark age most of the Star Wars we're familiar with takes place in and tried to build a very controlled society set apart from it. Interested to see where they go with it. A bit more depth and intrigue than I was expecting from this show.
That sounds plausible. I've been afraid to watch _Foundation_ since they say it diverges quite a bit from the original. Even the author Isaac Asimov couldn't get back in the groove of what he was talking about in 1950 when he returned in the 1970s. I mean, why shouldn't psycho-historians and agents with mental powers run the galaxy for the benefit of all, bringing on a renaissance after 1000 years of the dark ages?
You walk into a tavern in Ankh-Morpork with 2000 ounces of pure gold coins, there's gonna be a brawl.
honestly though that'll happen if you walk in with 2 gold coins too, or also quite likely if you walk in with no coins at all. in fact, i would say a brawl in a ankh morpork bar is more certainty than contingency.
Alright, I go up to the band tip them to keep playing. Then I pull out my vibro axe and Rage.
Yelling, "UUUUTINNI"
Maybe this is like the galactic equivalent of the Roman and Byzantine Empires. From the East’s perspective the empire never fell the west just got unruly but from the West’s perspective it did.
Wow only 5 minutes in and my eyes are already opened to a deeper understanding of the world. Amazing analysis
I didn’t have high hopes for this show. Which makes the positives all the better! I agree that there is much more complexity under the surface for adults to enjoy while the kids watching get a Goonies in space.
This planet reminds me a lot of Paradis from Attack on Titan. A society completely blocked off from the rest of the world by a massive barrier, while the society inside is contained in a frozen time period of "mostly" peaceful bliss. All the while a secret force for the government closely monitors all levels of society.
Sounds like Ba Sing Se from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
I think this planet was some kind of old republic social experiment that fell off the radar when Palpatine took over. They've been in a time warp since. The ship the kids escaped on is older than the barrier which is why it could go through the barrier. The droids referred to the area where the ship was as "restricted" . The planet reminds me of certain societies we saw in Star Trek, where the enterprise would find worlds that were frozen in time and cut off from the rest of the galaxy. Very excited to see what happens next!
I think this was before Palpatine and Yoda, so 1000 years it's been isolated.
At Attin kindof reminds me of that episode of DS9 where the colony ship is stranded and they all become ludites living without technology separated from galactic society, but the leader of the colony secretly wanted it because she believed it was what was best for society. At Attin seems like an experiment by someone disillusioned with the system of the Old Republic, so founds this colony on a remote planet cut off from the rest of the galaxy to build their ideal society based on how they believe society in the republic should be because the administrator lady even says they do what they do for the republic to make it stronger.
We don't know about the Great Work that gives analysts' live meaning or purpose. But if they have been peaceful for 1000 years, then it's a successful experiment.
3:14 when the kid is asked what he wants to be. He says he wants to help and protect. The teacher replies that’s what security droids are for.
Very limited career options, in banking I presume. But they've got years to get them to conform, and in the meantime can allow people like Fern to be a little rebellious. Her mother said in episode 3 that she and her friends would run away and be brought back by the safety droids.
The surprise dystopia really elevates this story in what I thought was just going to be a boring planet.
Hey now! See... This is why I love your channel. I'll be honest. I got "tired head" trying to understand that scene with the kids in school. I'm so glad you took the time and effort to understand it and present it to us. Very cool man.
The opening of the first episode did gave me the whole Treasure Island vibes. Plus the barrier looks more like the Aurora Borealis.
Seriously the kid trying to pay for a bowl of slump with a Mint Old Republic datarie credit would be like Trying to pay for your seasonal McRib (or fried Ewok Cheeks) with a gold dubloon.
🤔 Permanent society placement testing for children? "The Great Work"?
Definitely something is up here.
Gives me "The Greater Good" vibe cast system and our world, COOOOMMIIIEEES!
Apparently "The Great Works" are a project set up by a High Republic Chancellor before the Hyperspace Disaster, so it seems like At Attin's been isolated for several hundred years.
paying for a single mcchicken with a $100 bill "is this enough?"
It'd be more like paying for a McRib in golden dollar coins from the 1850s at face value.
@@ZainKaneko More likely, a $5000 bill. And that's a conservative estimate, assuming regular inflation, and they're not simply thousand year old coins, with collectible value.
That town looked like the one that was nuked at start of Fallout 4
The whole planet reminded me of a Vault. They even have their own G.O.A.T. test like FO3
Gave me suburbia vibes
A mixture of 1950s ascetics mixed with solar punk and brutalist styling.
Vault A18.
Loved your analysis. You are absolutely dialing in to the heart of the story I think
Reminds me of Fallout's Vaults design as social experiment, just done at a bigger scale.
An important detail I noticed is the specifications around *old* republic credits
Not republic credits, *old* republic, and the republic itself from before the clonewars isn't nearly old enough to be referred to that way, which means they are referring to fing Revan era shit here.
And note *if* they are that old, is it any WONDER they are cut off from tha galaxy and know about BOTH sith AND jedi?, like BRUH, the sith were probaly ransaking the jedi temple when this little bubble was formed.
I think you’re right but I wonder if the High Republic could be considered “old republic” as well from the perspective of those in the New Republic era
"and the republic itself from before the clonewars isn't nearly old enough to be referred to that way"
Tarkin literally calls it that in A New Hope. plus the credits are using the Prequel era Republic symbol.
The pre-empire Republic as a whole is referred to as the Old Republic, basically from its founding till order 66. So it could be as recent as the clone wars
Yeah I was thinking that too. This has to be Darth Malgus takes over the Jedi Temple Era
@@AR-io8fv Sentry Droids stopped being used around the time Darth Bane existed and the Sith were destroyed.
This planet is protected by them. Which means it’s either over 1,000 years old, or they spent a lot of money to make Sentry Droids
It's a planet. A hidden planet. 🤔
Not unusual in SW canon, especially Legacy. There were a number of places with very obscure and dangerous hyperspace routes to access. This barrier likely blocks signals and energy transmissions. Plus a ship blockade; though, that makes little sense as surely supplies of some form would be needed. Especially with Old Republic level tech.
Maybe when he was in the vault Dooku deleted At Attin too. It could have been a fallback for him in case his plans went to hell. Maybe he could sneak in with a solar sail? Ok I’ll stop with this headcanon.
This is where all the ship captains came from. 🤭
A bug planet
More like a forgotten one
There was also what appeared to be a throwaway line of Wim not needing to be a protector because "that's what the sentry droids are for." At Attin is probably far better defended than it appears.
Sentry Droids stopped being used well before Darth Bane was born.
This planet maybe over 1,000 years old
@m.c.martin I think we are going to find out that At Attl is an Outer Rim world that was cut off during the Great Hyperspace Disaster, but it remained lost. So its last contact with the rest of the galaxy would have been 100 years before The Acolyte took place. That means they've been cut off for nearly 250 years by the time this series takes place, unless the barrier itself is a hyperspace barrier that warped time (i.e., it's only been a few years from the perspective of At Attl).
The First thing which came to my mind when I saw that suburb-Like town and the speeders following the road was „Star Trek“.
I thought more Fallout (pre nukes)
Wow, you make a lot of great videos, this one has been one of the best in quite some time! Thanks for your content!
This show got me by surprise. I am intriqued and intrested. Actually looking forward to learning more about it! That hasn't happened for quite some time!
It reminds me of a Hidden Jedi City [or to be more direct a Hidden Old Republic city run by droids] from the Star Wars children books. The city I read about was an undergound hidden city on Yavin 4 and had a kid Jedi Prince hidden away and protected by droids of the city.
I feel like there is going to be some kind of 'man behind the curtain' running things at At Attlin that will be revealed later in the series.
The trailer showed Fern's mom, Fara, sending them a message, so either she spoke with the Supervisor and got permission, or went around him/her to do it. But it's still possible there's a droid, computer or former pirate in charge.
The show does a great job of making the suburb feel eerie and isolating. The droids doing everything is a nice touch. Suburbs have the yard work & maintenance of the country but without the freedom of it, nor the walkability of a well planned city. I rent a crowded apartment in the suburbs so you still have to drive everywhere, but at least I don't do any maintenance. I either want my own rural property, or a mixed use apartment where I can walk places. Multi-family residences in walking distance to a park makes more sense to me than huge yards if the HOA or city tells you what to do on it anyway they might as well maintain it. Plus yards are still too small for a farm, ranch, sports field, starship landing pad, or blaster range.
My theory is this planet was a safe haven for the separatists who went into hiding near the end of the clone wars to prevent them from being prosecuted for their association with count douku and have been in hiding from the empire and the new republic ever since ?
Nah. Way older. Old or High Republic. Plus the official aesthetics seem to be very Republic-y.
It's a time travel jaunt akin to Flight of the Navigator.
I mean, the clue is in the title. They're from the distant past, which would make them skeletons in the future.
It's why everything is in mint condition and slightly off. Even if it was protected from the outside universe, it would still feel lived in.
I think the clouded sky will be a plot device as the stars the past sees won't be the stars the present sees.
This is why I love your channel, yes there is something sus about this planet , and I love that ! How well manicured everything is , hurrying the education of the children along ! It’s really disturbing! The fact that they have a barrier! Definitely weird
The Barrier doesn't keep people in, it keeps people out.
That explains why there's so little space traffic around At-Atan. Aside from that starship the kids accidentally blast off in, you really don't see any other spacecraft near or on the planet.
Even a backwater planet like Tatooine had plenty of space traffic near major settlements.
That's what their HOA says
To me, the closest Example to At Attin in history could be Japan or North Korea in terms of Isolation
The feeling I get from the planet's suburban look is a big Spielberg vibe, not from the Goonies, but from E.T. or Close Encounters. Spielberg knew, that if he put familiar, even ordinary things in his movies, the audience would relate more. So with SK, we start with ordinary, hum drum things, and then thrust you into the high fantasy. It works for me.
Last Starfighter and Flight of the Navigator vibes definitely. and on the 2nd Episode they went Pirates of the Caribean. Especially with the key scene. :D
Ваша логика выглядит тупо, потому что Фильмы Спилберга происходили НА ЗЕМЛЕ!!! А мир ЗВ происходит В ДРУГОЙ ГАЛАКТИКЕ!!!
The problem is that the suburbs of the '80s allowed kids safety with some freedom of movement on their bikes. This has gone away with traffic and other dangers. So suburbs come across as dystopian: no parental supervision, no grandparents; even without traffic it seems like urban sprawl. You even see the undeveloped woods between the suburbs and the Supervisor's tower.
Wasn't going to watch it. Now I have to watch it. Thanks.
This reminds me of Andor . That is, the heist of credits led to the start of the rebellion in Andor would have so much harder of a time happening here. Well before you get to any military defenses, you have to first know that this planet or moon even exists. Then you would have to make it to the surface of the planet. Then you would would have to use public transportation or kids toys to get around, all of which is monitored. Then you would have to recruit people who seem to have very comfortable lives and little knowledge of how to survive outside of this society (or in any form of nature for that matter). Then you would have to be able to coordinate either a plan or at least some of the details of the plan with an entity off planet Then you would have to deal with the unknown number od droids and sentient beings whose sole purpose it is to stop this from happening. The heist in Andor seemed super hard. This eems near impossible.
6:44 you mention about the abundant labor pool given all the robots, however his father is constantly working. The children are also asked about how to contribute to their great work.
Those school scenes were taken right out of Starship troopers, I was waiting for the teacher droid to ask if I wanted to know more! Lolol
That classroom scene gave me Farris Beuler vibes, I REALLY appreciate you explaining this as I only caught some of it, and didn't understand the wider implications.
This is why I watch this channel! It brings such an enlightened perspective on the Star Wars lore and history without being so focused on the Jedi history and lore that just gets boring and causes it to lose its mystery and wonder. This channel is full of deep interpretations, insight, with such an understanding of Star Wars lore in all avenues. This is now my favorite Star Wars TH-cam channel. Awesome stuff!
I honestly live seeing suburbs, makes sense they're in star wars, theres so many planets and works great with these dark undertones. Getting mad about suburbs is like watching only movies about NYC and westerns and getting mad seeing subs when u visit the usa 😅
Not to mention that we only see one neighborhood in Star Wars Canon and that’s Mos Espa’s Slave Quarters on Tatooine.
In a deleted scene we sort of see the neighborhood where Padme spent some of childhood.
Everything else in Canon is either apartments, houses in towns/cities or farms or manors in the middle of nowhere/
Seriously, with Star Wars it's always either huge glimmering cities or backwater dumps where the most advanced technology is the automatic door. It's nice seeing something distinctly middle-class.
I had a feeling after _The Force Awakens_ that if Rey ever went looking for her mom, she'd find her raising a couple daughters in a suburban home like one of these. Then she'd blow up her mom's kitchen with a Force tantrum for being left behind before leaving.
Wasting your years away complaining about being too comfortable sure beats being in constant fear of death.
I love your insight into star wars & I’m glad we’re seeing more and more Star Wars shows that are putting up enough material to analyse in this way.
I always appreciate your well thought out analysis, Alan. You pick up on details that most people would have missed and integrate it into your theories in ways that convince me that you're right. Keep on truckin', man!
What I find curious is that the only vehicles on the planet that do not run on rails and thus are not really safe are the speeders of the little kids. That seems quite paradox.
It's a callback to the freedom the kids had in the '80s and in '80s movies. (Someone said the droids don't confiscate kids' bikes because they have to give them the illusion of freedom of movement.) Today there's traffic and it's not safe for them to wander neighborhoods or ride bikes everywhere they want to go. A parent has to drive them even a couple miles down the road and not let them out of an adult's sight!
I definitely get distopia vibes, i wonder if there comes a point at adulthood where you get shown all the horrible things that have gone down in the outside galaxy and you have a choice to stay or go and I'm sure most would choose to stay, but that's completely speculation (I also think this planet might be actual Old Republic old)
Entire planet sounds like generational ship that generation of people working towards defined end😮
bro it's Vancouver
I didn't know you have a barrier there.
@@amadeosendiulo2137not like there’s any starships that want to land there anyways
Wanted to point out something mentioned by the Undersecretary, this is from Wookieepedia but I remembered hearing it the first episode,
"Based on the test, they will be assigned a career path linked to their planet At Attin's contribution to the Republic's Great Work, keeping the Republic "peaceful and strong."
The Republic's Great Work is High Republic era. So At Attin may have been isolated since then. But I bet some know what was going on in the rest of the galaxy.
If the peoples on At Attin were truly isolated for centuries, how did they sustain themselves? Where did they get the raw materials for making tools, resources such as fuels for ships and speeders, and ingredients to make foods for the peoples?
They have whole planet judgeing by what we see..also look at all there cloths,items all simple basic nothing flashy that we have seen else where, who ever is running the show is doing so in a very well managed use of resources, also while ships might be not allowed i bet the have a gravity claw pull in loose space rocks also the fact when do big brother like factions follow there own rules, nah raw resourced isnt the big thing.
@@alexshinra6722 I didnt wanan be mean but it was such a silly question especially when its a Earthlike planet with clearly no overpopulation issues so a fuckton of resources
@@GazingTrandoshan ngl i did have to hold back going nuts at the fact there on a habitial world with city sprawl and town sprawl and useing soild gold as currency i think raw resources are fine.
We need to make our world sustainable which eventually means no growth. But that blows the mind of people who have economic models based on growth and the illusion of infinite resources.
@@sandal_thong i think there is also a good number of those folk that follow the idea path of "any problems down the line next generation can deal with it, as i wont be here"
I’m wondering if this could be the last remnant of The Old Republic pre reformation after the last Sith war or even a bit earlier right before the Sith wars got bad. That could explain why everything on the planet is so restrictive, the barrier and how effective it is, their knowledge of both the Jedi and Sith, etc. That could be the “gold and treasure” everyone outside the planet is hunting for. All the lost technology, knowledge, and wealth of the Old Republic.
That's actually cool theory, with all that corruption going on back then. It's possible that some wealthy members of the Old Republic Jedi discovered the planet due to abundance of precious metals and good climate developed a barrier to isolate the planet. The technology they probably have is still cutting edge even for the New Republic.
In school, we’re reading the giver, and I see lots of similarities
The book or school 😂
@ what?
"Thank you for your childhood, Wim."
@@erosheartache2398 yeah
As far as At Attin goes, I'm getting The Village vibes. I think the first generation self-isolated with following generations either eventually being brought into the isolation conspiracy or essentially being forced to isolate through the automated systems.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised to find that At Attin isn't actually a planet. Maybe an artificial world or a purpose built/terraformed world.
It’s the most dystopian thing ever: the American school system’s version of society.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this in the show. It felt very ominous. Something just didn't feel right about this planet. It felt like a conspiracy was going in that world.
I think the the skibidi droids were spot on
I thought I was the only one who noticed 😂
just watched the second episode and i was like "you paid with what???" and the fact that kids didn´t knew about starships made me doubt too, even kids on the middle and outter rim knew at least how to dismantle them
The big bad:
Lawn Karen. "Let me talk to your husband."
Notice how none of the droids are armed
I do have a theory about At Attin.
I think the planet is an Old Republic mint. The credit is refferanced as being in MINT condition, like it was just made. The droids might be running the mines to get the metal and have the factory's to make the coins. A mint planet would explain why the culture is so focussed on banking and economics, as they are the descendents of bankers and experts at market research. The barrier could be an old security thing, like a planetary shield. Hyperspace lanes could have closed, the location was lost amd over time the tales of a planet where money grew on trees and it was shipped across the galaxy could have risen. They weren't in hyperspace very long, so likely still in area which is how the locals remember the tale. Also their ship must have a ghost transponder rhat let them dock. I dont remember exactly where, but i think a pirate says that their ship had clearance to dock. Anyways, those are my theory's after watching the first 2 episodes. Really looking forward to more
dang the brainrot bots made it to star wars
the brainrot cameramen from that toilet show*
At Attin is like a Star Trek authoritarian federation planet. The populace has been dulled into compliance.
The "suburb" establishing backgrounds in your segment look more like 1982's Poltergeist or E.T.
Yes. This was a time when it was safe for kids to bike in the suburbs and be home alone. It seems odd today when we talk about urban sprawl, traffic and kids have to be driven everywhere because it's not safe for bikes.
Gen X is an underappreciated resource. So glad to see them stepping into the lead.
Love your analysis.
One very geeky boomer
Alan, the closer equivalent to the testing system would be the British except Scotland GCSEs and A Levels. You can leave school and enter work at 16 with your GCSE, or if you continue to 18 your scores on the GCSE determines what A Levels you can take, and then from those what University courses you would be able to get into. There are other tests taken at younger ages, but they don’t have much of an impact of what you can study later. In essence, at 11 you’re deciding what courses to take to determine your career.
Space adventure for the kids. NFTs and dystopias for the adults.
Win-Win
...though, isn't that Disneyland/world?
7:16 if I lived in Star Wars, I would probably be a pilot. But a 12-year-old IN THE STAR WARS UNIVERS WANTS TO BE AN ANLYST. Something is definitely wrong.
My dude, my dude. Thank you! For the deep lore details, for the economic analysis. I only took microeconomics but I kept asking myself.
Why are old Republic credits so valuable? Isn't it just scarcity? Wouldn't the pirates' plan to flood the New Republic market just devalue them almost instantly?
I had considered a precious metal standard but I didn't know enough of the lore to be sure.
So thank YOU for paying attention to the droid lesson, and translating it for us biology majors. :)
They called it the Republic… and not the New Republic… red flag.
Probably a in universe thing
@ Could it just be a shorthand colloquialism? Sure… but other characters almost always refer to it as the New Republic so I choose to speculate wildly and sniff conspiracy at every turn.
Like the first thik i saw was that somethink is very wrong there plus the school system is very very wrong like dude asks normal question and they shut him up
I think the Barrier is something that keeps their planet hidden from the galaxy & that’s why they don’t want anyone going outside of it. It would risk revealing the planet’s existence which seems like it has been cut off from the galaxy for decades, at least.
SM-33 (or Mr Smee, right?) and the ship have been on the planet long enough for all of that vegetation, including trees, to grow on top of it. And it seems the ship was automated to jump to hyperspace. That ship’s origin is going to be important.
Some say at least 1000 years.
@ I don’t think it’s that long. Thry may have been isolated for that long, but I would say the hiding could have been within the last 100-200 years. Long enough for them to miss all the wars & become thought of as just a myth.
This was a really really really good video! 😎👍
This show has a very "Fallout" feel to it. I think the people who started this colony (senators who were kicked out of the Senate) sensed the beginning of the clone wars. So they started this colony in secret as a way to hold onto and hide the "Old Republics" ways and laws from what was happening in the galaxy. Unfortunately, those people who started this were killed before they could get there once the clone wars started. And just like the clone army before the war...forgotten.
I absolutely love your channel Alan, probably the best channel on TH-cam to be fair. I especially love your deep dives into the politics of Star Wars and your thought provoking explanations about differing forms of governance and the dangers inherent in authoritarianism. Truly fascinating. Keep it up.
What if the At Attin was colonized by the soldiers that fought for the sith before the Ruusan reformation? Maybe they fled to the planet and hid it under a barrier to avoid Republic and Jedi wrath.
The moment the security droids automatic response to a starship leaving the barrier and it being illegal for it to take off is what made me feel off. What made me think more was the word "barrier". Why not zone or border or even sector. The area when the dad was told the "area" was restricted. Maybe it's me over thinking but using the word barrier seems like a word to them being cut off.
This was a GREAT discussion. Thanks for this video
You're my favorite star wars channel. Keep it up!!
The part that made me think not is all as it appears when one parent said there is limited space at the top. The way she said it was almost in fear of what would happen to her kid if she didn't get a top placement. Is this world a nightmare if you are not at the top?