Quad-Tune Pontoon Yacht Build - Welding Massive Pontoons for Our Biggest Project Yet!
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I always think it’s funny when you apologize for the picture or sound quality. Maybe I’m different but I could not care less about those things when it comes to TH-cam. I don’t come here for the production value. TH-cam is all about the personalities and the content. You could film these videos on your cellphone and I’d find them just as entertaining.
You should build it on the trailer or your gonna have a real hard time getting on the trailer once it's built .
17:57 Hey, wouldn't it make it overall easier if you were to build the trailer first?Now you've got the pontoons done.Build the trailer place the pontoons on the trailer and build the boat on the trailer. Otherwise.How would you get the boat on the trailer afterwards while it's in your shop🎉❤
Hey you should go take a tour of Brunswick on Hadley rd in Fort Wayne.
Hey Chris for rolling flicker you can use: Flicker Free from Digital Anarchy, if you're still using FCP (not sure if there any internal solutions, I haven't touched macs in a while). Or Deflicker tool that comes with DaVinci Resolve. Both gave me pretty great results in the past.
Hey Chris, from an engineering perspective, those welds need re-enforcement. Your joins are central and I would you recommend doing 2 things: 1. Weld an alu belt (500mm wide) over your centre line weld and then 2. Weld at least 4 horizontal struts over this join for reenforcement. Your support struts should be at least 1m in length and 100hx100wx4mm material width.
The way you have carried out the work so far is great, but as an engineer, I would not certify this structure currently as it is.
Definitely agree. A spa pool in the middle is also going to be putting a huge amount of bending into those pontoons and hence, those welds are going to have to be even stronger than the ones used in the original pontoons structure. I would be tempted to run some additional strengthening channels along the length of the pontoons also
This is starting to be reminiscent of the camper
Just as another note, what gauge is the alu? It may only be gauged to the size of pontoon bought. In that case you ought to weld disks inside the pontoon, spacing them every 600mm to increase rigidity.
My thoughts exactly.. or incorporate a truss system also don’t forget the horizontal forces between pontoon’s will need structural diaphragm… so the pontoon’s supporting the engine(s) don’t run over your hot tubbers while passing your outside pontoon’s ….? 😂
Funny I don't weld, not an engineer but a machinist and this was my very first concern.
Chris, I appreciate you and your team taking on this ambitious project. That being said, it IS ambitious, please listen to some of the concerns in the comments. You have naval architects and structural engineers pleading that you make some design changes to ensure the success of the project. The design process is not one straight line. Your first design is changed a lot as the project moves forward. Don't be discouraged to change your initial design. You have a wealth of experts in your audience who are happy to help!
That being said, I love your projects and I hope it all goes well for you!
Never seen a boat designed using quadtoon mechanics, impressive!
A barge
I think I know who Chris reached out to for the engineering on this project.🤔🤫
@@tech_abraham5617barges are the pinnacle of naval engineering
*You should run your calculations by an engineer @Chris*
*If you put the hot tub on the bow you are going to have issues getting on plain, you want to keep the bow light*
*I have a lot of experience working on boats, I think you are going to find you have overlooked a few things on this boat build*
I agree. And with as much as this is going to cost, some simple thing that they could have done differently could sink (pun intended) the entire project after they have spent a fortune and months making it.
He has he said this in the first video.
@jiminauburn5073 it's not going to sink lol
Or run holding tanks, placed throughout pontoons from middle to rear, to hold hot tub water when underway, then pump into the hot tub when you are using it. Definitely want to reduce that bow weight, when motoring. Of course, the weight of the holding tanks in the pontoons will likely create some significant, additional stress on the, already stressed, joint of the 2 toons being welded, so hell I dunno....
@@jerrywilcox9890 Why are you so sure it won’t sink?
Listening to that explanation of the flotation I am so glad we use the metric system.
That was ridiculous! All those conversations where in metric it's just 1 litre = 1 kilogram.
And a man is 100kgs.
😂😂 same here!
They will use ANYTHING other than the metric system 😅 I mean, when you hear American news compare the size of an astroid to, and I shit you not, "half a giraffe" . . it's time to turn off the TV..
He was listing everything at nearly double their actual weight, and still had a few thousand lbs of lift to spare, so at actual weight he’ll be less than half submerged.
That is going to crack without a sleeve
I agree, a sleeve is a necessity
I was imagining the toons snapping in half the first small wave they hit 😂 the forces will be great on such a tiny seam weld
That was my first thought.
@@Jax0238 I would think that the rigidity of the boat when completed will help to redirect the forces in other structural parts of the boat. Adding to the fact that there will be 4 toons.
I would imagine that the pontoon tubing wall is guaged according to length. Some sort of sleeve should probably be in there across your seam and out a few feet either way.
remember the two pontoons in the center will help with horizontal support
Yea the factory splices have a 25in disk pairing the sections together..... the welds will probably over time tear. IMO
Yup I agree, I did this when splicing truck frames, we used 6" diamond pieces to bridge the weld on the inside.
I'd put money on those welds cracking. Not dissing Oscar in any way, but even to backyard engineer the welds look like they will be under crazy stress whenever the thing hits a wave and flexes.
Yep there gonna crack in half
Didn’t even notice the time lapse scrolling till you mentioned it, don’t stress about it. boats looking good
Its the shutter of the camera vs the frequency of the light (LED lights sometimes have PWM drivers). There are plugins that can remove the fickering in post production (edit).
Does anyone else think this is going to break in half?
Unfortunately it will be his 2nd boat sunk,well this won't sink since both won't snap at the same time
Nope, it's massively strengthened by having 4 pontoons
@davelangford2439 I hope it works out,because this is super cool..was sad to see the ship partially sunk..
@@VooDooV6 Same. I've followed BIFB since pretty much the beginning and always want their builds to go well. I really want to see more Burntican though!
Top Gear made a Hilux boat. Disasters are fun to watch!
Notice the factory splices have a 25in round disk tieing them together......I wouldn't skip that
I agree. It seems like their joint between the two they welded together will be under enormous stress, and I can see it breaking. Plus the other splices have the external pieces of aluminum spanning across the joint, giving them more strength. They need to fix that or it is going to break and sink them.
yup! especially with the length of this thing whether you wish it or not those pontoons are structural pieces and the location of the splice is EXACTLY where the maximum stress will be.
B is for "Let it sink so that we can claim it on our Insurance"
When you have expectations like a teenager what do you expect. It's cool to watch... It's a win win for him.. it's like watching the British motor channels in the states... Lol 🤣
If the first thing on top of the pontoon is a continuous beam the length of the pontoon’s it should be stiff enough.
Should call it the Tritanic.
But it's quad not tri
@@benthebuilder6934 true but tritanic sounds better!
Showed this to my boat guy, we are excited to see such a unique vessel out on the Columbia and Willamette ! He is worried ab the hot tub location and design as well as I am so we are keeping our fingers crossed that you are safe when testing !
You should connect the strakes on the ends together where you joined the tubes. That gives more support. You probably should add a strake on the other side too.
Fill the pontoons with expanding foam, closed-cell spray foam insulation is highly moisture resistant. If you hit something you won't sink. It is just a thin Aluminum...
This is a great idea. It might be too buoyant though.
@@davelangford2439 Not sure there is such a thing as 'too bouyant' for pontoons, think all it would do is add some weight
air vs foam in the tanks, easy thing they can test with one of the cones though (for floatability)
edit- Also the things are sectioned, so the long sides already have ~6 different sections that would need to be breached (and I don't think it would be all that easy to 'fill them with foam' consistently)
@@austinh1028 fair enough, I don't know anything about pontoons. I really hope it works out though. Been following this channel since very near the beginning.
Don't do this... the instant a crack forms in the pontoon you'll have hundreds of pounds of wet foam stuck in there, even if it's moisture resistant
This is the absolute worst idea imaginable.
The pontoons are segmented for a reason - puncture one segment of 1 pontoon and the boat will still float enough to get it back to shore.
Adding thousands of pounds of foam to sealed bouyancy tanks will just increase the weight of the vessel.
When its done id love to go out on its maiden voyage , Im here in Minnesota and have been on the water all my 66 years of life ! I think down the Mississippi would be epic ! Start at Stillwater Mn. down the St. Crouix to the Mississippi to Lake City then back ! Lots of sand bars and islands to party at and maybe camp out, with big bonfires and some barley pops !
They'll have to bisforbuild a giant trailer to move that thing too, better get started so they can be done by the end of next season
I can't imagine how they are going to get it into the water. It is so long and any boat ramp will be at an angle and severely stress the weld points in the middle as the back end starts to float and the front end is on their massive trailer.
Crane
Boat lift like they used to get the other boat in/out.
That weld spot connecting thr long tubes, wouldn’t that become the weakest area of the longer tube now. They only removed a three or so foot section off the end. That end hardly had any of the weight of the boat stressing it, but the middle will have a lot of stress how is that not going to buckle?
So they will need to only invite super models to play on the floating pontoon hottie spa??
I've been watching TH-cam for about 12 years and have never been so pumped for a buil like this one.
The journey is half the fun. You have an outstanding channel! I subscribed immediately. Thank you for sharing it.
I’d imagine adding a supporting plate going over the welds of the pontoons would add a fair amount of strength. Don’t think it’d be a bad idea either
Agree with the comments on lack of strength of the pontoon in the area of the welds Oscar has put in. I an ideal world, to make longer pontoons you would start with larger diameter tubes so that the bending moment stays about the same. Need to calculate for vertical bending of the structure, when each end is on the peak of the wave, and midships is in a trough. With the payload (people) in the middle. However, rather than reinforcing the weld area, I would make sure there is sufficient strength (including triangulation) in the upper structure, that ties in to the tubes towards the bow and stern. By the way, what you are calling stringers are actually deck beams. Stringers go longitudinally.
Great project. Don't forget the lifejackets!!
How are you planning on transporting it? A trailer build first would have made things easy.
Won't the extreme pontoon length cause flex and cracking around the welds? Might have been safer to have kept them as individual units mounted solidly together.
They should run some I-beams longitudinally to reinforce that center seam. Should have connected the strakes to help with that also.
I agree. I would probably cut them into smaller sections and make several watertight sections in each pontoon. When one of those welds crack, they will fill a whole pontoon with water and it will flip over.
so far there's like 20 on going projects and all half attempted, nice
B is for SQUIRREL!
@@iconiccreations2492 lmao yo
I’d be worried about the bending moment of the length, but that’s probably why it has 4 toons.
This is awesome. My favorite episode will be when they move it to the water 😂
Those aluminum welds will unzip after floating the boat. The weld itself may hold but the metal directly next to the edge of the welds will fail.
What makes you say that?
Agree with that. The Welds loking bad.. I hope they dont crack.. Or they got a free Submarine.
They should probably weld supports around the joint.
Yup metal fatigue is real. there's going to be a lot of compression and tension back and forth with every wave.
1st or 2nd ride id think those welds will fail. And the boat will sink
"It's correct for everyone that works here but" 😂😂😂
I used to work at Vigor marine in clackamas. You guys really gotta back grind your starts and stops on those welds or they may start cracking. Also somewhat nervous that there is no sleeving. Good Luck!!
I personally can’t wait for the mini pontoon build with the extra nose cones
Same, I think I'm more excited for that than the main pontoon boat tbh lol, looks like theyd be a blast to be honest!
@@kylewise3111 a blast of water to the face, but same difference lol
@@kylewise3111 unless they balast the heck out of them they will just roll. Its basically a 55 gallon drum. The easier way would be to use all 4 bows and build a mini pontoon dingy.
@alexandercarril4486 that makes it sound sketchy, but generally more sketchy = more fun lol
Especially when this one inevitably fails.
*The formula for calculating the floatation of a pontoon is F = (D - W) / V, where:*
F: is the floatation force
D: is the density of the water
W: is the weight of the pontoon
V: is the volume of the pontoon
To calculate buoyancy, you can multiply the volume of the pontoons by 62 lbs. per qu. ft..
Or you can use the "Twenty Percent" Rule to ensure that you build a safety margin. This rule has two ways to go about it:
•Subtract 20% from the capacity plate's total listed weight capacity and use that as the maximum permissible weight
•Calculate the total weight of your passengers and cargo and subsequently increase the total by 20%
*I didn't want to take the time to type all this out so I copied and pasted it for you, hope it helps* 😅👍
He already did the calculations 😂😂.
@@jerrywilcox989012:31 *Referencing the 20% rule I quoted above, you can see that according to Chris's own loose calculations he has miscalculated*
*If his estimates of the pontoons were correct the max weight capacity will likely be closer to 13,000 or 14,000 lbs not 17,500 lbs*
@natesmemes1794 they already calculated it lol.
@@natesmemes1794 they can handle it.
Please, please, please can we have a Burntican video soon Chris? Please help get this comment to the top if you agree!
The foam idea inside the poontoons is used in other boats to make them very safe... Boston whalers are made this way I believe... love the show!!!
2 things- 1 move the hottub to the back all that weight in the front youre going to take water over the bow and swamp the boat.
2 your going to want to mount 2 engines on the outside corners. Turning that thing in the wind and current will be extremely challenging. Look at the large premier brand pontoons for inspiration
Something to think about regarding the pontoon joints and lift strakes. The lift strakes add stiffness to the pontoon, the welded joint won't have this reinforcement. The strakes need to be tied together so the welded joint won't have to take the entire flex load. This build will be epic.
Good time now to start thinking ahead about logistics - transporting your finished product to the waterfront.
this is a ridonkulous project.....and i'm here for it...
What a MONSTER!
The timelapse banding issue is usually due to a mismatch between camera shutter speed and the refresh frequency of the lighting. I very rarely shoot video, but I have encountered the same issue a long time ago and I believe I solved it by matching the shutter speed with the frequency of the electricity supply.
100% spot on with this.
I dunno, man. I'm a little skeptical that those pontoons won't just buckle from being extended to be that long. But, I've been wrong before. Guess we'll just have to wait and see
The frame will tie them all together lol
@@jerrywilcox9890 sure, but that amount of length will have to flex if going over waves. I'm afraid welds are going to break.
@@jerrywilcox9890don't forget that it's a largely flat boat, and it's made of entirely aluminum, so if they go with anything but a beefy frame than it will flex A LOT.
@jwalster9412 not true at all lol
@jwalster9412 once that frame and floor is on its not going to flex enough to do anything.
@bisforbuild lol my welding teacher in college build a boat for himself and got a little carried away with the height of the cabin and he had to "renovate" to get the thing out at the end. boat turned out great though he has went down to the bahamas (from canada) multiple times. love your videos you guys are an inspiration. cheers boys!
You might want to add a tube in the pontoon’s to make room for bow thrusters. Thrusters will really help with a boat that length.
I'm excited for this project
I have to admire your ambition. Looking forward to seeing this thing come to life.
Dear Chris, congratulations on your new built. I would like to point out some things that concern me about the Pantoone build. first of all you are welding two independent sections and those sections are held by a tiny weld in the middle, you should consider that that’s going to be under a lot of pressure and the weakest point. it could be the failure point on the pontoon sections , if you see the original pantoon sections they each have a long brace that goes from the beginning until the end of each section and that is to give strength to the cylindrical sections. Consider placing 2 continues support beams two brace each side of the new pontoon sections welded to brace them so it mitigates, putting all the force on the welds and preventing the pantoon from bending in the middle and reaching a catastrophic failure. Congrats to you and your team on embarking on a new journey. I really enjoy watching your videos.
Dude this seems likes it’s not going to work but I know you’ll figure it out! Love the boat content man!
Don't worry about the strips on the time lapse, your content is A++ either way! Keep doin what you do, appreciate you!
Great project. My concern wouod be a small leak allowing water into a pontoon. While not deep, even a 1/2 inch\ 1cm water level would cause massive problems due to free surface effect. Multiple bilge pumps, baffles and inspection ports needed.
If you put the hot tub in the back you could use the engine cooling as hot tub heating :)
These guys are smart , I’m sure they will reinforce the welded units. Right b is 4 b
😊
I do not think I have ever seen a fully working finished project on this channel 😆
The SEMA classic new Mustang apparently is according to his last video. No joke tho I think that’s the only one he confidently said was 100% complete HOWEVER I’d bet it’s complete to his standards. Let any average Joe in it and I’d imagine within 10 seconds could have at least two things clearly not finished to OEM like quality as Chris claims. Idk tho! Not mine nor have I seen it irl
@@OnEst_Opinionit's 100% unfinished unpainted bondo under the wrap, doesn't have windshield wipers...
I thought the 240 with the BMW driveline was the most complete. Its been a while since that was on the channel though.
The last 5% takes the longest.
I would definitely continue the mounting angle across the welds for structural strength.
This boat is huge
The spam call commercial was funny because it reminds me of those infomercials, “does this happen to you?” You guys should lean into that a little. 😂 Nice work boys!
Put in drain plugs.
Leaktest with soap water.
Preasure media helium 0.1 bar
Strangely enough I can’t wait to see this boat done so that we can see the trailer you build to move it! 😂 love this content!
I consistently enjoy your series. I particularly appreciate when you mention the 'target completion date.' While I enjoy the camper series, it lacks a clear objective. As an IT professional, I'm accustomed to working within set deadlines and budget constraints, as I'm sure you understand. Sometimes, it slips the audience's mind that these episodes aren't released chronologically, leading to surprise when a new series interrupts an ongoing one. My suggestion is to provide more insight into your project timelines, so we can eagerly anticipate upcoming videos. Thank you for your valuable content!
They don't get time lines they get done when they get done.
he stated in episode one he wants this done for this years boating season (which already started...and ends around october). chances that'll happen? 1%...tops
My worries are
1) the resistance from bending under weight. Constant shifts minuscule over time does what it does to all metals.
2) resistance to ea pontoon with their massive length rolling in/out in between each other (trying to separate from each other) outwards.
Those calculators do t factor a lot of what nature can do to numbers that only account for a static vessel. Boats are not as static as we think they are.
Theres some massive physics that will be challenged when fully weighted and in water that is constantly moving. It’s a crushing weight that being floated by pontoons above the water without any body below the water to set a balance from what’s above the water vs below.
Just my worries, wishing the best for you all ♥️✊🏽
Should go straight really well’ the trick will be turning this sucker. Looking forward to seeing this fun build!
shouldn't be an issue at all especially since he's running multiple engines.
I agree. He might want to consider bow thrusters in the hot tub box or something
Might need some bow drives for making docking and undocking easier.
Never be able to dock it on a windy day, even with twin engines, it is so long and tall
Transporting and launching it will be fun.
Youre seriously like me. I start many projects and only chip away at them every once in awhile and it takes years to get anything finished haha. But that also has to do with finances and time
The length of the pontoons are my concern. Do you plan on turning? Do not go out in big waves, the pontoons will be on the crest of the waves with the middle unsupported. Eventually, it may snap the welds.
I think the 27 in pontoons also reduce the bending of the outer pontoons. So the inner pontoons become almost like a girder to reduce bending moments. I am all on board with the idea of spraying closed cell foam into the pontoons to make them both stronger and more boyant in the case of an incident. Looks like being an incredible lake boat but your going to need a large float to transport it and also need to take into account lifting points for launching.
Can’t wait for the cost breakdown on this one
Love to see this. Chris always pushing his boundaries into the unknown, such a great learning experience. Will everything work out perfectly on a brand new design on a first ever B is for Boat build? We hope so, but what makes such fun content is the trial and error and drama along the way. I think Chris knows this and is a genius for attempting this build.
Great work!
Idk no shit about building unlike most of the famous pontoon builders in the comment, so this should be fun. Learning how to do something by trial and error is awesome. Its also how everything throughout history has been built the first time. I believe ya'll can do it.
have i missed any comment where the manufacturer of the pontoons said yeah we specked these out to be fine when welded together and made twice as long and with the interrupted lifting strike that i think is also there to make the whole pontoon more ridged
At least you are out there making it happen brother. As an engineer with lots of marine experience, I’m routing for you. PS, I’m stoked to see what happens when you get the right props on that yacht, you may find yourself spending a lot more time with it when that happens!!!
Loving it, did you hint at a build at the old shop/house you bought back in the day - You borrowed money off your mum but paid her back back in the day - that place. Loving the new content but I may speak for a few saying I miss the old shop. Not big enough for what your're doing now but you and your team in that place was inspiring.
Pipe stands would've been great help in this situation
Seeing that being pulled behind the the dually camper truck is gonna look nuts lol
This is the most exciting build for me to watch you guys do. Idk why because I love all your builds, but this thing is awesome!
Need to add bow thrusters with a boat that long.
This series is fckn awesomeeeee
B is for Build but S is for Sink
In regards to the black line in time lapse, it’s probably your lighting. Clough42 has a good video about how he just updated his shop lighting because of that.
Note of attention! Avoid welding the pontoons under pressure. They could explode!
Check videos alerting about welding rims with inflated tires.
they were pressure testing after welding, you could see them remove the bung and release the pressure before welding after
They didn't weld them with air in them 😂😂.
The banding in the timelapse content is no big deal. No need to apologise for it. Thanks for more fun content!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
-Vince Lombardi- Enjoy the flaws, it will happen during the journey
I like the boat stuff
Can’t wait to see it going through rough water.
When those waves crash into the hot tub, I have a feeling if you have any waves, one end of the boat could be 8 feet higher than the other.
This looks to be coming together really well
displacement calculations get so much easier if you'd simply tolerate the metric system... but suppose football yards and bald eagle eggs will have to do til then
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
A 40ft trailer to build this on seems like a good idea. Then you can build a jig to keep them straight.
I would honestly do your motor transoms before u get to far on those toons so they are easier to move and prep now! I absolutely love this build
Cool build 😎
oscar un super soldador solda oro con plata y cobre con acero bravo !!!!!
So about the rolling banding and the LED lighting….. it has to do with the shutter speed of the camera. For example…. If your light is refreshing at 60 hertz, the camera’s shutter speed would need to be BELOW 1/60th of a second to avoid catching that in a time lapse.
So just slow that down and you’re fine.
Nice project, it is huge! Hope it will turn out as great as you wish. I would suggest to cap and seal those middle two pontoons. Much easier to leak test and leak proof that way then connecting both to the a big box.
I think you are going to need a bow thruster for this, maybe even a stern thruster. Good luck.
Loving this build. I just can’t help but think how much easier those buoyancy calculations would be using metric! I realise that might be a contentious topic, but it really is so much easier. And I guess it will still float, however you calculate it.
Are you going to carry water with you in the tub when driving or pump it in when parked? Maybe as mentioned have a holding tank further back when driving and pump it back when parked? The load in front will be extreme when trying to get on plane and the water will splash out of the tub as well, if its not sealed that is. And what will drive the heating elements for the HOT-tub? Big battery power and lots and lots of solar? That will drain the batterybank pretty quick...
With that said, I really love your guts to "Just Do It". Keep on keeping on 😀
The hot tub is an 8 foot by 8 foot setup, the water will come out to be well over 1,000 pounds, this thing is going to nosedive so damn hard. And have issues getting on plane. I’d relocate or ditch the hot tub Chris.
I think its intentional to put it in the front so that it balances out the heavy engines in the back. Not to mention you can change how much water’s in it to find the right balance.
@@leovin00 some corrections to be made to my comment would be that the motors would be I/O. With them sitting at about 75% of the way to the back. And the water would come out to be 2000ish pounds, double of my hypothesis that I concluded by just guessing the gallons. The hot tub will probably get ditched.
That thing is going to be massive can't wait to see the trailer that you put that on that's going to be just as big and massive
So freakin’ cool! Can’t wait for the next video - thank you!
The back of the hot tub to the open-end pontoon will not work. Ideally purchase two of the convex end caps from the manufacturer (or cut them off the spare pontoons) and install them backwards convex in, concave out into the open center pontoons. Then use the advice of the engineers below. Failure to do this will ....yeah.
When the hot tub is full of water the load put onto the structure will be extreme when in rough water at any speed. I love it and it will be the ultimate party boat.
I feel really lucky that we are BFF's who have never met but will spend lots of time on this boat. ;)
Since you have four nosecones I suggest that you make a mini one person pontoon canoe. A single canoe made from those will have a high center of gravity and tend to tip over.