What is love to see is trigger response time on each. From my understanding that's the real performance benefit from them because they have instant torque.
I agree. The trigger response is definitely better than the brushed motors. Ill figure out a way to compare in the next video I post. Thank you for the input!
Need to get one of these in my lct rpk. Standard gears and high efficiency. It only gets 17.5 rps on an 11.1 anyways with a asg 22k. I got that first because LCT motors are LCT motors. If you get a cyma, the newer ones have the same motor you will find in their platinum guns.
@@wyshtechairsoft only for a high speed build. It seems like a waste if you just want to put a 25k in or you're building a dmr and use an 18k motor which is already super efficency. They don't last any longer.
@@darkshock42mlg05 so at what speed should you aim to make it worth it? If I have an arcturus ar15 cqb with a stock mosfet and motor and I am considering switching to brushless (mostly because of sound reasons) at what speed should I focus? And what else should I consider upgrading to be safe (not accurate, Im not talking about hopup and barrel here)? Probably piston assembly? I imagine if I would not select a warhead motor with a brake, but another without a brake - I should also swap the mosfet? I'd like to skip that.
Any speed, really. Brushless motors run much more efficiently than brushed motors. The efficiency alone is enough for most people to upgrade to brushless.
I’m still not sold on brushless. My G&G Titan 35k puts out 29 rps but the T238 33k only gets 17 rps with 18:1 gears. Plus on more advanced mosfets you don’t have as many options like braking or ROF reduction with the brushless. Maybe it’s worth it on builds with limited battery space but with most M4s you can run a 2000mAh battery that will last a long time.
The 39k would get you 28 to 32 rps depending on the build. Also, rof is adjustable on the T238 motor itself. 17rps seems real low for a 33k. It might be turned down. The torque brushless motors have put brushed motors to shame. Especially when you run dsg or 13:1 ssg setups.
Price wise I do not think that it is worth the cost. Also they seem to be the cause of a lot of issues if you run a mosfet. Maybe if the mosfet can be updated to work with brushless motors and the cost comes down some I could see using them.
This has only been an issue with Gate Mosfets. I personally tested brushless motors in Perun, Jefftron, and T238 mosfets with no issues. The brushless motor itself is worth it in my opinion when it allows your battery last twice as long AND can provide much better overall performance than any brushed motor. Unless you know how to wind a brushed motor and built it as good.
@shaun536 Honestly, I find Perun mosfets to be the most reliable in performance and compatibility. I install the HYBRID's in customer guns on a regular basis at my shop. Sold hundreds and only had 2 failures but it was my fault due to human error. T238 are finicky as hell imo. Jefftron is 2nd on my favorite overall list.
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@@wyshtechairsofti meant it IS short stroked and shoots exactly how much joules it needs, but might need to replace stock motor. It does 28rps now on 11.1v and stock motor :)
How is the heat on the 30k asg motor? I have an 45k asg infinity one and cannot make it to not get it heat up, ( 2.650 mah 11.1v 20-40c battery,m100 spring,18:1,perun v2) gears,piston all move freely.
The 30k motor would produce alot less heat than the 45k motor since it has more torque but it will run slower. More torque means less amperage pull. Less amperage pull means less heat and battery useage. Though 45k should be used with higher torque gearsets. If you really want to bring the heat down to a lower temp and get more battery life. Go brushless. Way more torque for the same rpm.
I have the 30k in my kwa ronin dsg and it's shimmed flawlessly and it still gets warm. I have the active brake set pretty high though as I get alot of overspin. I just ordered a t238 from real deal airsoft should have it in a few days
They are really efficient, i have a boltairsoft AKM with EBB, 25k motor and gate mosfet (simpler one, MERF ?) would that motor work? Currently only 3000mah 11.1v titan stick is able to pull g&g 25k motor, but it hardly fits my stock
Subbed and great information. I noticed purchase options are standard, high speed, and ultra. (Noob question) Are there pro's and cons between the three? Obviously cycle rate increases, but what about hardware requirements? No problem or increased torque has to be addressed with better internals? Sounds like a great follow-up video,...hmmm
It really comes down to efficiency. With more rpm, the more power you will consume. Less RPM the less power you consume. High speed seems to be the goldilocks zone if you are looking for higher fire rate/trigger response but also not use as much of your battery. It all just depends on your goals.
35k Base will get you around 35rps on a 11.1v lipo. Definitely short stroke the 13:1 if you go that route. Im not sure what you'd get with the 27k. It just depends on what fire rate you are looking for.
If there is alot of heat coming from your motor. Something isnt right about the internals of your airsoft gun. However, generally the brushless motors run alot cooler than brushed and significantly run more efficient.
@@XRPHordz which effects how much torque and efficiency they put out. Hand wound would translate to more torque than machine since you can fit more coils in.
@@wyshtechairsoft you have to make it. The spec will depend on how you do it. I think 24 TPA was considered balanced. Typical would be 28 TPA. The RPM without load would be lower than brushless though.
I have mixed feelings. I use brushless, but things WILL break. They're very strong and very fast. PME, Sector gear breaking, piston breaking, and anti reversal latch breaking. All serious problems you'll run into. But then I do run into extremes. 3.3j DMR SR25, 68RPS Indoors M4.
Well, that's why you had these issues. Those extreme builds you made factor in massively more than just the motor itself. However, putting a brushless motor of the SAME rpm as a brushed motor will NOT break internals. The only difference would be a massive increase in how long your battery lasts on the field. Gotta compare apples to apples.
Scientific experimentation and results charts! I want more videos like this! Thank you
Thank you for your feedback!
What is love to see is trigger response time on each. From my understanding that's the real performance benefit from them because they have instant torque.
I agree. The trigger response is definitely better than the brushed motors. Ill figure out a way to compare in the next video I post. Thank you for the input!
Yes you should hook it up to a Titan or Leviathan and messure ms cycle speed
I'm impressed with the power savings of the brushless motor!
Right?! It blew me away!
this vid deserves more views and would be a life safer for new builders
Share with your friends! I appreciate the kind words. Thank you!
Need to get one of these in my lct rpk. Standard gears and high efficiency. It only gets 17.5 rps on an 11.1 anyways with a asg 22k. I got that first because LCT motors are LCT motors. If you get a cyma, the newer ones have the same motor you will find in their platinum guns.
High speed brushless motors don't lose torque but are far more expensive than brushed motors. That 52k motor can still have 28tpa.
Would you say going brushless is worth the expensive price?
@@wyshtechairsoft only for a high speed build. It seems like a waste if you just want to put a 25k in or you're building a dmr and use an 18k motor which is already super efficency. They don't last any longer.
@@darkshock42mlg05 so at what speed should you aim to make it worth it?
If I have an arcturus ar15 cqb with a stock mosfet and motor and I am considering switching to brushless (mostly because of sound reasons) at what speed should I focus?
And what else should I consider upgrading to be safe (not accurate, Im not talking about hopup and barrel here)? Probably piston assembly?
I imagine if I would not select a warhead motor with a brake, but another without a brake - I should also swap the mosfet? I'd like to skip that.
Any speed, really. Brushless motors run much more efficiently than brushed motors. The efficiency alone is enough for most people to upgrade to brushless.
I’m still not sold on brushless. My G&G Titan 35k puts out 29 rps but the T238 33k only gets 17 rps with 18:1 gears. Plus on more advanced mosfets you don’t have as many options like braking or ROF reduction with the brushless.
Maybe it’s worth it on builds with limited battery space but with most M4s you can run a 2000mAh battery that will last a long time.
The 39k would get you 28 to 32 rps depending on the build. Also, rof is adjustable on the T238 motor itself. 17rps seems real low for a 33k. It might be turned down. The torque brushless motors have put brushed motors to shame. Especially when you run dsg or 13:1 ssg setups.
Theres a adjustment slot on the T238. Turn it up. DONT turn it whilr pulling on the trigger, destroyed 2 T238 that way.
- Idiot with a 68rps DSG
Price wise I do not think that it is worth the cost. Also they seem to be the cause of a lot of issues if you run a mosfet. Maybe if the mosfet can be updated to work with brushless motors and the cost comes down some I could see using them.
This has only been an issue with Gate Mosfets. I personally tested brushless motors in Perun, Jefftron, and T238 mosfets with no issues. The brushless motor itself is worth it in my opinion when it allows your battery last twice as long AND can provide much better overall performance than any brushed motor. Unless you know how to wind a brushed motor and built it as good.
I tested a warhead on a T238 mosfet and kept getting errors
@shaun536 Wierd, it might have been an outdated T238. The one I have worked just fine. Granted, I shut off the active braking before using it.
@wyshtechairsoft Dang, I didn't think of that. Oops. Could of been the issue. Time for some retests on a gate titan and the T238 with that off.
@shaun536 Honestly, I find Perun mosfets to be the most reliable in performance and compatibility. I install the HYBRID's in customer guns on a regular basis at my shop. Sold hundreds and only had 2 failures but it was my fault due to human error. T238 are finicky as hell imo. Jefftron is 2nd on my favorite overall list.
Love the videos man keep up the awesome work.
Thank you!
whats that watt meter you are using? I would love to have something similar to do diagnostics of my guns
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@@wyshtechairsoft does it come with connectors like yours?
@wote2760 no, you have to solder on the connectors. Its pretty easy to solder after watching a few youtube videos. Thats how I learned.
A 2 tooth short stroked scorpion evo, how much RPS would it shoot over my stock motor? (Currently does 27-28rps, enough)
If all you are doing is short stroking. You might see a 1 to 3 rps increase, and you'll lose fps unless you install spring spacers.
@@wyshtechairsofti meant it IS short stroked and shoots exactly how much joules it needs, but might need to replace stock motor.
It does 28rps now on 11.1v and stock motor :)
How is the heat on the 30k asg motor? I have an 45k asg infinity one and cannot make it to not get it heat up, ( 2.650 mah 11.1v 20-40c battery,m100 spring,18:1,perun v2) gears,piston all move freely.
The 30k motor would produce alot less heat than the 45k motor since it has more torque but it will run slower. More torque means less amperage pull. Less amperage pull means less heat and battery useage. Though 45k should be used with higher torque gearsets. If you really want to bring the heat down to a lower temp and get more battery life. Go brushless. Way more torque for the same rpm.
Thank you. Gotcha. Yea well I will try to give it on a trade or keep it and use the body with other armature 🫶❤️✌️
I have the 30k in my kwa ronin dsg and it's shimmed flawlessly and it still gets warm. I have the active brake set pretty high though as I get alot of overspin. I just ordered a t238 from real deal airsoft should have it in a few days
Check your piston meshing to your sector gear. Ive found some pistons will bind on the sector gear teeth.
They are really efficient, i have a boltairsoft AKM with EBB, 25k motor and gate mosfet (simpler one, MERF ?) would that motor work? Currently only 3000mah 11.1v titan stick is able to pull g&g 25k motor, but it hardly fits my stock
Going brushless should work just fine with your combo and you wouldnt need such a large battery.
Subbed and great information. I noticed purchase options are standard, high speed, and ultra. (Noob question) Are there pro's and cons between the three? Obviously cycle rate increases, but what about hardware requirements? No problem or increased torque has to be addressed with better internals? Sounds like a great follow-up video,...hmmm
It really comes down to efficiency. With more rpm, the more power you will consume. Less RPM the less power you consume. High speed seems to be the goldilocks zone if you are looking for higher fire rate/trigger response but also not use as much of your battery.
It all just depends on your goals.
very illuminating , thanks greetings from greece
Thank you and hello!
What gear ratio was used here?
18:1 Gearset
Yoooooooo this is a sweet video!
Thanks bud!
Planing on getting brushless for my mp5 13:1 gear ratio,m130 spring.What do u recomend warhead base 27k or warhead high speed motor?
35k Base will get you around 35rps on a 11.1v lipo. Definitely short stroke the 13:1 if you go that route. Im not sure what you'd get with the 27k. It just depends on what fire rate you are looking for.
@@wyshtechairsoft im trying to get about 30 rof
@@Jebemtebe If you are short stroked by 3 teeth. 2 on pickup and 1 on release with the 13:1 gears and the 27k. That should land you around 30rps
Do brushless motors need a mosfet?
Nope!
I bought a troy industries m4, and does this work for all aeg m4 guns
Yes, just becareful with what speed you choose. Too fast of a motor will damage your internals.
So if i understand correctly, by pairing this with a high mah battery, I can keep playing until the heat death of the universe?
If there is alot of heat coming from your motor. Something isnt right about the internals of your airsoft gun. However, generally the brushless motors run alot cooler than brushed and significantly run more efficient.
Yes a high mAh battery will go looong time with a brushless motor.
great video dude
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Base has more torque than black?
No but it has alot more than a brushed motor.
@@wyshtechairsoft i thought difference is hand machine wound only between black and base
@@XRPHordz which effects how much torque and efficiency they put out. Hand wound would translate to more torque than machine since you can fit more coils in.
That's real snappy for a stock motor.
Thats a 11.1v lipo for ya! Haha
Interesting. I like blowing fuses though. :D
You still can! Just shim really tight!
@@wyshtechairsoft Do a comparison against an ftk.
@@htwarrior6801 Can you give me a link to one?
@@wyshtechairsoft you have to make it. The spec will depend on how you do it. I think 24 TPA was considered balanced. Typical would be 28 TPA. The RPM without load would be lower than brushless though.
@@htwarrior6801 I do have a 52k Brushless motor
how the 30k motor is faster than 35k warhead? (rps)
The 30k might have had a fresh battery from the charger, or the battery for the brushless 35k might of be getting low on voltage.
I have mixed feelings. I use brushless, but things WILL break. They're very strong and very fast. PME, Sector gear breaking, piston breaking, and anti reversal latch breaking. All serious problems you'll run into.
But then I do run into extremes. 3.3j DMR SR25, 68RPS Indoors M4.
Well, that's why you had these issues. Those extreme builds you made factor in massively more than just the motor itself. However, putting a brushless motor of the SAME rpm as a brushed motor will NOT break internals. The only difference would be a massive increase in how long your battery lasts on the field. Gotta compare apples to apples.
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