COLLABORATION VIDEOS: During the summer I work oversea leading expeditions and trips professionally. In the build up to trips I take on sponsored videos to have a bank of videos to release whilst I’m away. They keep the channel active whilst I’m away. Other parts of the year when I’m not busy I have my time to make my own travel videos.
Thank you for checking them out! I want to include them in my build and I was suspicious about their low price. It's so good to finally have some mid-shelf batteries!
Loving my two LiTime 12V200 ah batteries. The air conditioner is running off the inverter. Looking forward to being nice and cool this summer in the van.Sarah likes it too.
Thank you for pulling the battery apart for us, it's an education. I recently bought a renegy 200ah lithium ion battery and I'm very impressed so far, it charges incredibly fast and holds its charge, so after not going anywhere for a while it holds the charge, it also has a Bluetooth app so I can monitor what I'm using as well as seeing charge times. Maybe you could review this battery for us? The price for the renegy is £800.00 plus £40 delivery in 2023, very similar price to the one you are reviewing but with 4 cells at 3.3v per cell making a total of 13.2v which my van indicates on my USB charging points.
No problem it was fun to look inside. It would be fun to pull apart some more to have a look. Bluetooth app it’s definitely a bonus which this battery misses out on
I browsed LiTime's website and there are very few products in UK. But I see a lot of products from US\DE look good, among them mini this battery I am so impressed. prifessional video, thanks.
Good job, would have liked to see a stress test & surge capabilities. Will Prowse just did a teardown on the Li Time 100A battery with hi & low temp sensors that worked as stated & a BMS that could surge to 300A-500A for 5 seconds or 100A continuous. Seems like a decent product for price.
Aye, I would of as well. I don’t really have the kit at the time to do that . I have seen Will prowse has just released a video on a Litime battery, his one was one of the slightly more advanced models
That's a well made battery to be honest. Can't go wrong with that. You could even make it "smart" by adding a better BMS for 50-100 quid more and its still under £1000. I think that data sheet you were reading was advise on what you should set your battery disconnect to (externally) to gain more cycles out of it. I would presume the BMS cuts out at 10V / 2.5V per cell on the low end and 14.6V / 3.65V and on the high end. I always say the BMS should be the last resort / failsafe. The cut outs for chargers / discharge should be external and the BMS is there if those systems fail.
I agree, A BMS should be a lost resort for battery safety, not a first. That could be case for disconnecting but wasn’t how I read it / maybe misread it BMS swap could be done with a bit of soldering
Same. Running 2x 12v-100 for my 24v trolling motor. A full 8 hours of fishing/trolling/spot locking and the batteries are still at 75% charge. If these last even 5 years I'll be pleased. Cheaper than the X2 AGM's I've been running that barely made it 4 years.
Are these batteries direct replacements for lead acid? Can I drop them in my motor home for house batteries and not have to touch the charging system? I kind of gather the BMS takes care of that right?
They can be in a sense. It’s depends on the system. A BMS is a safe guard for a battery. Charging a lithium in lead acid settings will work before it’s not the most healthy for it, depending on the charger settings the BMS might stopping charging
@@MispronouncedAdventures So do the ones that are billed as "direct drop in replacements" need a lithium charger? I read amazon reviews and most of those people with motor homes just remove the old lead acid or agm batteries and drop the new ones in. No mention of switching chargers. Maybe I should contact Li Time and see what they say.
@piquat1 any lithium battery is better off having a lithium charger or lithium charger settings. They are distinctly different chemistry and have different requirements in charging. if you just dropped it in then yes it would work. But the lead acid Charing might not be the best option for a number of reasons. also depends on what type of charger it is a VSR or split charge relay if not recommended for lithium and may damage your alternator
I thought you might have opened a rats nest when you took it apart but not bad, don’t know why they didn’t put a temperature sensor or even a thermistor so they could have managed hot and cold. Sounds like a few extra £s could have made a better BMS. Get though it’s where do you stop. I was a bit worried when it was rocking on your bench that the cells had swelled. Thanks as ever for very informative and interesting review. All the very best. David 👍
Depends your location. In my completely biased opinion, Roamer, as I ended up working for them after the collaboration I did. We design our batteries in the UK, completely unique design and custom inside for us, however, R&D costs money. cheap rebrand battery are a lot cheaper, but BMS, cells and overall internal components are nowhere near as good
I have 1 of those batteries for one year now, it shut off, can't get it back with solar or gid type charger, it amps up a little and dies off quickly. I contacted the seller and the warrantee seams to be bullshit so far. I also have a cheep monitor witch showed 100 percent through the summer, now it's just empty
Just bought 2 for 993Gbp, i hope they last for over 10Years to make it worth it,but its so confusing,100Amp bms? It says discharge 1C on their site which should be 200Amp max discharge current
Hopefully it works out well for you. 100A discharged on a 200Ah battery would be 0.5C, 200A discharged on 200A would be 1C. So two running in parallel would be 200A max discharge, 0.5C being 400ah. can’t see 1C mentioned on their website
@@MispronouncedAdventures It was a mistake on the third party website,I cancelled and ordered the plus version for only 40quid difference which is funny cause you gain another 200Amps max discharge current with parallel connection. I also own a eco worthy 12.8V 280 which was 540GBP which performs amazingly on the mini off grid I built,I'm planning to use these 2 for my parents house with a couple solar pannels charging them and that will give them enough power to cook through solar throughout the summer and beyond. I'm just hoping they last long enough to cover their price and save some money on electricity bills. Thanks for the video.
Here's my question I live in South Florida or power goes off a lot, I have a lot of APC/UPS is in my home.. I would like to buy a 200 amp battery and buy a Pure Sine inverter. I have a Ram diesel truck which holds 75 gallons of fuel, in bed aux tank. should I use the alternator with big jumper cables to charge the 200 amp batteries or should I hook an inverter to my truck and then plug a large battery charger into my truck inverter to charge the 200 amp battery. I'd like to buy two 200 amp lithium batteries to keep the batteries charged, at least put back in 50% back into the batteries in charging. I have three 2.3 amp refrigerators I would like to keep cold, I can rotate power to three 2.3amp frig to keep my draw down..I was thinking of getting 2x 200amp lithium batteries and a 2000 watt pure sine inverter for the batteries, and a 750 watt inverter for my truck and a 50 amp charger for the truck inverter to power to put some charge back into the system..any help would be appreciated. Ben Happy to Cash App you
@@tramptruck4859 I've got a fogstar, had it since March and so far I'm impressed, using induction hob, two fridges and Max air fan on all night. Only thing that puts people off is pre order but for the money it's worth the wait
Because 800 dollar is cheap for a Chinese battery of this size, compared to many other brands , why it is cheap is the more important part. It’s a compromise on the quality of components, or is it good value for money? many Chinese batteries are identical on the inside just with different branding and sold at massive range of prices, whilst others are completely different on the inside, some of high-quality components, some less so. $800 battery might do what you paid for, but how long it does what you paid for or how well it does what you pay for is a different matter
I prefer not to mount any lithium battery on there sides, only flat. Flat mounted all the cells are supported, side mounted as you can see in this case would have all of the cells supported, some batteries also have there BMS side mounted and putting it on the side could have the BMS under the weight of the cells
@@MispronouncedAdventures I spoke to the prismatic battery manufacturer in this way and he said that there is liquid electrolyte in the battery and that the electrolyte does not spread correctly when mounted sideways.
There are some research papers on that point. I was chatting to the Roamer staff about it. I think the paper was the pouch cells ( and not prismatic ) used a popular EV and the unexpected deterioration of cells
I’d disagree. Having opened up other brands this was above average for budget. Will Prowse TH-cam channel has teardown on 45+ lithium batteries. Many of the budget ones are far worse inside to even terrible inside. As for expensive ones , it find it two categories, one they just sold it at a higher price to look premium ( which sounds like what you are talking about ) or like Roamer for example they develop their own internals for their own batteries and R&D costs more
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COLLABORATION VIDEOS:
During the summer I work oversea leading expeditions and trips professionally. In the build up to trips I take on sponsored videos to have a bank of videos to release whilst I’m away. They keep the channel active whilst I’m away.
Other parts of the year when I’m not busy I have my time to make my own travel videos.
I've been running a pair of these for about a year now...they are fantastic. No problems so far.
It’s a fairly well made battery so I can see why
Thank you for checking them out! I want to include them in my build and I was suspicious about their low price. It's so good to finally have some mid-shelf batteries!
For their price vs their specs they are decent quality and well made.
If you are after any feel free to use my link
Loving my two LiTime 12V200 ah batteries. The air conditioner is running off the inverter. Looking forward to being nice and cool this summer in the van.Sarah likes it too.
I am impressed with the build quality of them.
Thank you for pulling the battery apart for us, it's an education.
I recently bought a renegy 200ah lithium ion battery and I'm very impressed so far, it charges incredibly fast and holds its charge, so after not going anywhere for a while it holds the charge, it also has a Bluetooth app so I can monitor what I'm using as well as seeing charge times.
Maybe you could review this battery for us? The price for the renegy is £800.00 plus £40 delivery in 2023, very similar price to the one you are reviewing but with 4 cells at 3.3v per cell making a total of 13.2v which my van indicates on my USB charging points.
No problem it was fun to look inside. It would be fun to pull apart some more to have a look.
Bluetooth app it’s definitely a bonus which this battery misses out on
I just bought the Li Time 230ahr 12.8v 2944w 200a BMS for $700 us.
the European and American prices are quite different
Just received my 12v280 ah eco worthy for $450 USD
I browsed LiTime's website and there are very few products in UK. But I see a lot of products from US\DE look good, among them mini this battery I am so impressed. prifessional video, thanks.
The uk site didn’t even exist when I started filming. But as you said way more on the German and US site
I must say they seem quite quality for a budget battery we got 3x 100 ah battery's sent to us by li time and I'm actually impressed
Yeah for budget the quality is way better than I thought
Good job, would have liked to see a stress test & surge capabilities. Will Prowse just did a teardown on the Li Time 100A battery with hi & low temp sensors that worked as stated & a BMS that could surge to 300A-500A for 5 seconds or 100A continuous. Seems like a decent product for price.
Aye, I would of as well. I don’t really have the kit at the time to do that . I have seen Will prowse has just released a video on a Litime battery, his one was one of the slightly more advanced models
That's a well made battery to be honest. Can't go wrong with that. You could even make it "smart" by adding a better BMS for 50-100 quid more and its still under £1000.
I think that data sheet you were reading was advise on what you should set your battery disconnect to (externally) to gain more cycles out of it. I would presume the BMS cuts out at 10V / 2.5V per cell on the low end and 14.6V / 3.65V and on the high end.
I always say the BMS should be the last resort / failsafe. The cut outs for chargers / discharge should be external and the BMS is there if those systems fail.
I agree, A BMS should be a lost resort for battery safety, not a first. That could be case for disconnecting but wasn’t how I read it / maybe misread it
BMS swap could be done with a bit of soldering
I also bought 4 batteries from this brand, running 2 of these in my boat and 2 for my 24v trollmotor. They work GREAT!
Yeah I’d also use my one for my trolling motor
Same. Running 2x 12v-100 for my 24v trolling motor. A full 8 hours of fishing/trolling/spot locking and the batteries are still at 75% charge. If these last even 5 years I'll be pleased. Cheaper than the X2 AGM's I've been running that barely made it 4 years.
Are these batteries direct replacements for lead acid? Can I drop them in my motor home for house batteries and not have to touch the charging system? I kind of gather the BMS takes care of that right?
They can be in a sense. It’s depends on the system. A BMS is a safe guard for a battery. Charging a lithium in lead acid settings will work before it’s not the most healthy for it, depending on the charger settings the BMS might stopping charging
@@MispronouncedAdventures So do the ones that are billed as "direct drop in replacements" need a lithium charger? I read amazon reviews and most of those people with motor homes just remove the old lead acid or agm batteries and drop the new ones in. No mention of switching chargers.
Maybe I should contact Li Time and see what they say.
@piquat1 any lithium battery is better off having a lithium charger or lithium charger settings. They are distinctly different chemistry and have different requirements in charging. if you just dropped it in then yes it would work. But the lead acid Charing might not be the best option for a number of reasons. also depends on what type of charger it is a VSR or split charge relay if not recommended for lithium and may damage your alternator
nice breakdown video, cool to see inside the battery.
Cheers for watching, at least this one was decent inside
I thought you might have opened a rats nest when you took it apart but not bad, don’t know why they didn’t put a temperature sensor or even a thermistor so they could have managed hot and cold. Sounds like a few extra £s could have made a better BMS. Get though it’s where do you stop. I was a bit worried when it was rocking on your bench that the cells had swelled.
Thanks as ever for very informative and interesting review.
All the very best. David 👍
Yeah, I was surprised with not finding a rats nest. As for the rocking it’s seems to be the plastic case and not the cell related.
Cheers for watching
Well done! Thanks for your recommendation. I just placed the order, got lower price on their website
No problem at all
What would you call a high-end battery? Any examples?
Depends your location. In my completely biased opinion, Roamer, as I ended up working for them after the collaboration I did. We design our batteries in the UK, completely unique design and custom inside for us, however, R&D costs money. cheap rebrand battery are a lot cheaper, but BMS, cells and overall internal components are nowhere near as good
Thanks for your video... I also watched Will Prowse'w videos of Li Time, it seem to be a popular product.
I’ve seen them popping up in a few installs
I have 1 of those batteries for one year now, it shut off, can't get it back with solar or gid type charger, it amps up a little and dies off quickly. I contacted the seller and the warrantee seams to be bullshit so far. I also have a cheep monitor witch showed 100 percent through the summer, now it's just empty
Sounds like a shut down BMS in protection mode. Normally to wake it up, I would use a dumb charger or a 12V lead acid battery.
Just bought 2 for 993Gbp, i hope they last for over 10Years to make it worth it,but its so confusing,100Amp bms? It says discharge 1C on their site which should be 200Amp max discharge current
Hopefully it works out well for you.
100A discharged on a 200Ah battery would be 0.5C, 200A discharged on 200A would be 1C.
So two running in parallel would be 200A max discharge, 0.5C being 400ah. can’t see 1C mentioned on their website
@@MispronouncedAdventures It was a mistake on the third party website,I cancelled and ordered the plus version for only 40quid difference which is funny cause you gain another 200Amps max discharge current with parallel connection. I also own a eco worthy 12.8V 280 which was 540GBP which performs amazingly on the mini off grid I built,I'm planning to use these 2 for my parents house with a couple solar pannels charging them and that will give them enough power to cook through solar throughout the summer and beyond. I'm just hoping they last long enough to cover their price and save some money on electricity bills. Thanks for the video.
Here's my question I live in South Florida or power goes off a lot, I have a lot of APC/UPS is in my home.. I would like to buy a 200 amp battery and buy a Pure Sine inverter. I have a Ram diesel truck which holds 75 gallons of fuel, in bed aux tank. should I use the alternator with big jumper cables to charge the 200 amp batteries or should I hook an inverter to my truck and then plug a large battery charger into my truck inverter to charge the 200 amp battery. I'd like to buy two 200 amp lithium batteries to keep the batteries charged, at least put back in 50% back into the batteries in charging. I have three 2.3 amp refrigerators I would like to keep cold, I can rotate power to three 2.3amp frig to keep my draw down..I was thinking of getting 2x 200amp lithium batteries and a 2000 watt pure sine inverter for the batteries, and a 750 watt inverter for my truck and a 50 amp charger for the truck inverter to power to put some charge back into the system..any help would be appreciated.
Ben
Happy to Cash App you
For the price I would go for Fogstar as can get 230ah cheaper with heater and Bluetooth app
Whilst I don’t like heaters In batteries, having a BT app is a strong reason to look at other companies
My thoughts also, plus Fogstar reckon their cells are all grade A.
@@tramptruck4859 I've got a fogstar, had it since March and so far I'm impressed, using induction hob, two fridges and Max air fan on all night. Only thing that puts people off is pre order but for the money it's worth the wait
@@MispronouncedAdventures As far as I know, all LiTime batteries use A-grade batteries.
I bought LiTime 200ah plus for €449,- Hopefully it will be good.
I’m sure it will suit your needs
Thanks
No problem
worrying if the manufacturer sends the battery. they can send a different battery which is for sale. should always order from the seller.
Always an option, but feel it’s unlikely. That would be way to easy to get caught out
Interesting video, many thanks.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the facepalm at 5.41!
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5:41 Ba-Dump-Bump!
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How is 800 dollars for a battery cheap ? If I pay 800 dollars for a battery it better do wat I paid for .
Because 800 dollar is cheap for a Chinese battery of this size, compared to many other brands , why it is cheap is the more important part. It’s a compromise on the quality of components, or is it good value for money? many Chinese batteries are identical on the inside just with different branding and sold at massive range of prices, whilst others are completely different on the inside, some of high-quality components, some less so.
$800 battery might do what you paid for, but how long it does what you paid for or how well it does what you pay for is a different matter
Dad jokes on point!
Always!
These batteries cannot be mounted sideways.
I prefer not to mount any lithium battery on there sides, only flat. Flat mounted all the cells are supported, side mounted as you can see in this case would have all of the cells supported, some batteries also have there BMS side mounted and putting it on the side could have the BMS under the weight of the cells
@@MispronouncedAdventures I spoke to the prismatic battery manufacturer in this way and he said that there is liquid electrolyte in the battery and that the electrolyte does not spread correctly when mounted sideways.
There are some research papers on that point. I was chatting to the Roamer staff about it. I think the paper was the pouch cells ( and not prismatic ) used a popular EV and the unexpected deterioration of cells
@@MispronouncedAdventures Their 100Ah mini lithium battery is a pouch cell.
Got 4. Now i know
Glad it was helpful
100 amp max out? wow... disqualified Thanks tho
It’s a cheap / budget lithium battery. Normally cheap / low output BMS and output
Yep it is a budget battery but when you open one of the expensive one you may amaze as it looks quite a same there! 😆
I’d disagree. Having opened up other brands this was above average for budget. Will Prowse TH-cam channel has teardown on 45+ lithium batteries. Many of the budget ones are far worse inside to even terrible inside.
As for expensive ones , it find it two categories, one they just sold it at a higher price to look premium ( which sounds like what you are talking about ) or like Roamer for example they develop their own internals for their own batteries and R&D costs more
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