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You need a tail fin to maintain directional stability, and maybe a rudder attached to the steering to control the direction once the tail lifts off. Also maybe make it into a biplane for more lift at a slower speed.
From Garage 54 to Hangar 54. Btw, you need a vertical stabilizer, with a rudder possibly, so whenever it's airborne, you still have the control. But I think the wing's angle of attack is also important, maybe making it adjustable can help a lot.
Vc pergunta isso para um Russo, eles tem módulos de energia nuclear que são até portáteis, eu li sobre isso que eles moviia várias coisas até farol náutico... Então acho que são capazes.
Not if the point is to only lift the back of the car. The "wing" is acting more like the horizontal stabilizer on a plane. It doesn't provide "lift" in the same sense the main wings do.
almost needs like a spring mounted rod or two off the back to keep the rear following the front. Im guessing that the rear lifts off the ground it changes the where the power is transmitted through the front axles and it pulls it to one side or the other.
Why not use aluminum if your trying to make it light weight? Also elevators on the wing would help tremendously. Ailerons and a rudder would be a big help also. But those might be more work than they want to put into the project.
Wing tips would help a lot with stability! Also, an increase in angle of attack will make the wing act more like a parachute, which will help the car drive straight. Awesome work 💯
It needs an ice skate ⛸️ attatched to the back, preferably as long as possible, attached to a pole that only pivots up and down and an ankle joint at the ice skate. Laser cut sheet metal would probably be enough for a skate. The pole should be strong and on the longer side for extra stability. Make sure the pole and nothing can twist. Then put weight onto the skate and add more for more stability or take away weight for weight reduction
Hey guys! You need a tail rudder! Keep the wheels straight straight when it starts to float and steer with a tail rudder. Also slope wings up slightly from the center so it self stabilizes left and right
Surely these guys knew this would never work. There are so many reasons why. That wing is smaller than a hang glider's; no way it could lift the weight of the driver and all that other POS connected to him. As soon as the rear end lifts, the angle of attack of the wing goes down, so it makes less lift. The upper and lower main spars may (may) be strong enough, but there's no shear connection between them, so the wing has no bending strength. It needs a tail with an elevator, to force the wing to the correct angle of attack. The center of gravity is way, way too far forward. If it were somehow to lift off, you'd lose thrust as soon as the tires broke contact with the ground. You all have a bright future as designers in Putin's air force.
I absolutely LOVE you guys!!!! Yeah, put a tail on it to prevent so much yaw. What will you call the... car-plane? Su-100? Я вас ОЧЕНЬ ЛЮБЛЮ, ребята!!!! Да, приделайте к нему хвост, чтобы предотвратить такое рыскание. Как вы назовете этот... автомобиль-самолет? Сухой Су-100?
Hi guys, that was great, love the idea and enthusiasm! A thought re the direction stability, yes a fin and rudder would help but perhaps you should try putting some dihedral into the wing, this naturally makes it more stable and is a common feature on aircraft, eg AN2 Added thoughts - how about putting some flat plates on the end of each tip to act as selt correcting rudders? Easy to try.
You need to position the centre of the lift just behind the centre of mass. A tail will assist you in maintaining a straight line, along with some flaps to help it take off at low speed. You might also consider a parachute.
It needs a rudder connected to steering, a second set of wings at front and rear wheel drive and maybe add a fan to tot somewhere so it has power once taken off and doesn’t glide back down
I think the rotation of the engine might have some effect on the stability once you have partial lift off. As with a sailboat, where CE must be directly over CLR, the wing needs to lift directly over the greatest weight.
Even 2 big wing endplates would increase the wings efficiency (by eliminating secondary flow) and would help to keep the straight. Thanks for entertaining!
You could "kite tail" that rig, just for fun. It may give some directional stability, but what you really need is a vertical stabiliser. You need the back end of an aeroplane to graft on there!
Add stuff and lift that thing full of a ground, put that huge fan you tried on its front, remove even more stuff to reduce weight and give it a 4-5 meters long tail with + style basic wing control (side to side, and top to bottom). It could work to lift it fully for short distances.
I guess the next obvious step would be to stick a prop in the front and hook it up to the crank. Probably a good idea to have it disengage the wheels on takeoff though. And stick a tail with ailerons on it for better steering in air and on the ground.
Yep, as mentioned, a vertical stab at least, and then a rudder would see some directional control return at the point lift occurs. I do appreciate that you drive the most dangerous junk on the planet for our entertainment. 😂
0:04 My first thought was 'this is stupid yet brilliant at the same time. In theory it should be able to work with enough speed. If the math is correct you should have proper lift so you're driving on the front wheels, reducing the drag on the wheels and increasing the efficiency.
Reducing the drag on the rear wheels is nothing compared to the amount of drag it takes to create lift. It's not just about the drag from the wing moving through the air, that's called parasite drag and it's insignificant at lower speeds like this. However, creating lift is not free, and it causes something called induced drag which is very high at low flying speeds. This is why many airplanes can get into a situation where they are flying too low and too slow, unable to gain speed while holding altitude because the induced drag is so high that the engines can't overpower it even at full power. I highly doubt that continuously lifting half the car off the ground would be more efficient than the rolling resistance of two wheels. This is a fun experiment, not a smart one lol. Air travel is not efficient, it's fast.
It's too cool not to go further into this adventure . Six feet more wing, and ailerons will help and an upright tail section with some yaw control . It'll take a copilot though but should be more fun than a barrel of monkeys . lol
As soon as the rear end lifts, the vehicle wants to spin 180 degrees because the greatest drag is forward of the center of lift. There's no directional control. Add a 20' boom to the rear with a vertical fin about 4' square and it will track straight. Even better would be to add a rudder to the fin to provide increased directional stability.
Place the wing a little farther forward, then get yourself a horizontal stabilizer and slap some elevators on there, so you can actually change your pitch. Most importantly you'll want a vertical stabilizer, you could even throw on a makeshift Rudder if you have enough time to try and control your forward Direction, your yaw
You would really need a vertical stabilizer and rudder. I think it would be more interesting to actually see it fly. Try adding another wing to the front and make one of the wings pivot with the handbrake to control pitch. Rudder can be hooked to the steering wheel for control.
You basically need a whole plane tail construction in the back and another wing in the front The current construction will generate a lift force on the rear, but because the center of mass is past the wing it will produce a rotational momentum. That rotational momentum changes the angle of attack in the wing, making the rear to fall. That means your system is an unstable system because forces don't cancel each other and the overall sum of them is an oscillatory force that compromises control. The best approach is to use a rudder for control when the aerodynamic forces quick in, another wing in the front to counteract the rotational momentum and a set of horizontal stabilizers to add lift when the back lifts up and mitigate the loss of lift
You need at ad a fin to fix the left-right stability. You also need a stabilizer to control pitch. I guess some way to propell the contraption once airborne wouldn't hurt... then you have yourselfs and airplane!
You need runners at least one on each side of the wing. Just like the tail on an airplane that will keep your rear end going straight instead of swaying to the left or right.
The perpendicularity of the wing to the direction of travel is being compromised by the flexibility of the framework. Cross bracing will help. A vertical tail will help with cross wind conditions.
...you've actually done what I've proposed in the previous video, but it's missing the spoiler on the front to increase te grip of the steering wheels. xD To make this thing a bit more controlable, try installling a forth pedal that will control angle of attack. This way you could control the amount of lift. Also, a an aeroplane rudder would be of help...;P
Trying to make it actually fly is stupidly dangerous. Once you get airborne and add a prop it's just going to crash harder and faster. Lifting the rear is perfect balance.
I think it nees a propeller, because the moment the wheels loose grip on the ground, the air resistance will slow down the car and it will wall down immediately. Just make a plane of it ;)
I used to watch a guy calling himself crazy Russian hacker and I think that it's not just him but there are lots of crazy Russians and I love you guys and gals of course so much love from an American 👍❣️
it whont fly (all the way off the ground) as it only gets propelled by the driven wheels if they lift of the ground the forward speed will bleed off and it will come down having a rudder will allow it to steer even with the rear of the ground the frontweels should stay pointed straight ahead , it will steer like a forklift , they probably tried to get the rear airborne with a crosswind , this pushed the car sideways
The old WW1 pusher style biplane called a DH2 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airco_DH.2 is close. So you could run a prop shaft and prop out the back and put a front or rear tail on for directional control and stability. And a joy stick in the floor. You are very close to a flying car!
Two thoughts here: (1) What if you add a smaller wing to the front of the car to help with lift (2) The steering issue is not turning the car when the back is off the ground it is shifting the weight and trying to role the car, the steering becomes very sensitive when the back is off the ground. I'm not sure I am explaining what I mean.
IMO your wing is too heavy, the frame should be made from wood or aluminum and you should make the wing angle more easily adjustable. Also, a winglets or even a small drag chute would keep it headed in the right direction.
It only got "airborne" because he hit the brakes, and the momentum carried over the front pivot point of the tires and lifted the tail up. That was not "lift".
it needs a rudder working with the steering wheel and an auto leveling system for some flaps to make it fly horizontally on its own..
I was thinking the exact same thing
It can be a fixed vertical stabilizer at the rear. That way it steers from the front and the rear will follow.
I think the same thing, without rudder and vertical stabilizator would not work
Probobly would be sufficent with a fin
Do it do it do it do it
You need a tail fin to maintain directional stability, and maybe a rudder attached to the steering to control the direction once the tail lifts off. Also maybe make it into a biplane for more lift at a slower speed.
basically a plane tail wing
And maybe flaps on the wing?
Lol, the thing you need is called a rudder. It might also help to give the driver some control over the angle of the wing.
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and get fined $100 for not having a pilot licence.
The point was to just lift the rear off the skis in the rear, not lift the entire car off the ground.
Bruh we went from rusty Ladas powered by power drills to attempting to fly with a car , this channel is insane
I really enjoy the content y'all make. really fun to watch. stay safe!
Add a tail stabiliser that is connected to the steering wheel
From Garage 54 to Hangar 54. Btw, you need a vertical stabilizer, with a rudder possibly, so whenever it's airborne, you still have the control. But I think the wing's angle of attack is also important, maybe making it adjustable can help a lot.
Nuclear powered Lada when?
Vc pergunta isso para um Russo, eles tem módulos de energia nuclear que são até portáteis, eu li sobre isso que eles moviia várias coisas até farol náutico... Então acho que são capazes.
@@AntonioRochaRochinha muito bom voce responder o cara em portugues, em um video russo que foi traduzido pra ingles com comentarios em ingles
When reactor 4 is reachable again
There's only really 4 car channels I like watching & I like that you upload so often, keep it up such interesting content!
Now it needs a tail and a rudder.
Теперь ему нужны хвост и руль.
Wing needs to be further forward
Yes. That and made from aluminum or something much lighter.
Nah, father back. They arent trying to fly the car just lift the rear end.
That would make it even lighter in the front end . That would make it even squirlier . lol
@@dadigitechman Exactly .
Not if the point is to only lift the back of the car. The "wing" is acting more like the horizontal stabilizer on a plane. It doesn't provide "lift" in the same sense the main wings do.
almost needs like a spring mounted rod or two off the back to keep the rear following the front. Im guessing that the rear lifts off the ground it changes the where the power is transmitted through the front axles and it pulls it to one side or the other.
I love how everytime i see a video from this channel i just go "alright guys come on now"
Знаете, о чём я думаю? Летающая Лада - это должно стать миссией. Вы уже почти добились этого. Хорошая работа, ребята!
Why not use aluminum if your trying to make it light weight? Also elevators on the wing would help tremendously. Ailerons and a rudder would be a big help also. But those might be more work than they want to put into the project.
Wing tips would help a lot with stability! Also, an increase in angle of attack will make the wing act more like a parachute, which will help the car drive straight. Awesome work 💯
It needs an ice skate ⛸️ attatched to the back, preferably as long as possible, attached to a pole that only pivots up and down and an ankle joint at the ice skate. Laser cut sheet metal would probably be enough for a skate. The pole should be strong and on the longer side for extra stability. Make sure the pole and nothing can twist. Then put weight onto the skate and add more for more stability or take away weight for weight reduction
It could also feature a spoiler to push the skate into the snow
Hey guys! You need a tail rudder! Keep the wheels straight straight when it starts to float and steer with a tail rudder. Also slope wings up slightly from the center so it self stabilizes left and right
Surely these guys knew this would never work. There are so many reasons why. That wing is smaller than a hang glider's; no way it could lift the weight of the driver and all that other POS connected to him. As soon as the rear end lifts, the angle of attack of the wing goes down, so it makes less lift. The upper and lower main spars may (may) be strong enough, but there's no shear connection between them, so the wing has no bending strength. It needs a tail with an elevator, to force the wing to the correct angle of attack. The center of gravity is way, way too far forward. If it were somehow to lift off, you'd lose thrust as soon as the tires broke contact with the ground. You all have a bright future as designers in Putin's air force.
Watch the video, and you'll see their mission parameters were accomplished
Congratulations on both comprehension and watching an entire video before making pointless comments. Namely at achieving neither.
Always love your ingenuity guys!
looking forward to see it develop
Two smaller wings on the front, propeller engine on the back and rudders for control, you got yourself a light plane!
I absolutely LOVE you guys!!!! Yeah, put a tail on it to prevent so much yaw. What will you call the... car-plane? Su-100?
Я вас ОЧЕНЬ ЛЮБЛЮ, ребята!!!! Да, приделайте к нему хвост, чтобы предотвратить такое рыскание. Как вы назовете этот... автомобиль-самолет? Сухой Су-100?
please stay on this path, i want to witness flight!
lateral control is next, aka vertical stabilizers
Hi guys, that was great, love the idea and enthusiasm!
A thought re the direction stability, yes a fin and rudder would help but perhaps you should try putting some dihedral into the wing, this naturally makes it more stable and is a common feature on aircraft, eg AN2
Added thoughts - how about putting some flat plates on the end of each tip to act as selt correcting rudders? Easy to try.
If you fill the tubing with sand before bending, should help to prevent the tubing from collapsing while bending it.
You need to position the centre of the lift just behind the centre of mass. A tail will assist you in maintaining a straight line, along with some flaps to help it take off at low speed. You might also consider a parachute.
It needs a rudder connected to steering, a second set of wings at front and rear wheel drive and maybe add a fan to tot somewhere so it has power once taken off and doesn’t glide back down
I think the rotation of the engine might have some effect on the stability once you have partial lift off. As with a sailboat, where CE must be directly over CLR, the wing needs to lift directly over the greatest weight.
Awesome! This is a fantastic experiment
I can see where this is headed
Flying Lada
Oh no 😮😊❤
Even 2 big wing endplates would increase the wings efficiency (by eliminating secondary flow) and would help to keep the straight. Thanks for entertaining!
You could "kite tail" that rig, just for fun. It may give some directional stability, but what you really need is a vertical stabiliser. You need the back end of an aeroplane to graft on there!
This channel is awesome 👌🏼
Add a vertial stabilizer fin and it will probably become a lot more controllable.
Add stuff and lift that thing full of a ground, put that huge fan you tried on its front, remove even more stuff to reduce weight and give it a 4-5 meters long tail with + style basic wing control (side to side, and top to bottom). It could work to lift it fully for short distances.
I guess the next obvious step would be to stick a prop in the front and hook it up to the crank. Probably a good idea to have it disengage the wheels on takeoff though.
And stick a tail with ailerons on it for better steering in air and on the ground.
"gravitationally reversed spoiler"
(absolutely beautiful.)
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wait a sec, where's your roll-cage?,... I want to see you do this again.
Bigger wing more lift!
Maybe add a single wheel on the back on the end of a long A-arm that can hinge up and down and load the tire up with self-tappers lol
Yep, as mentioned, a vertical stab at least, and then a rudder would see some directional control return at the point lift occurs. I do appreciate that you drive the most dangerous junk on the planet for our entertainment. 😂
Nice job. Only you guys could pull it off
0:04 My first thought was 'this is stupid yet brilliant at the same time. In theory it should be able to work with enough speed. If the math is correct you should have proper lift so you're driving on the front wheels, reducing the drag on the wheels and increasing the efficiency.
Reducing the drag on the rear wheels is nothing compared to the amount of drag it takes to create lift. It's not just about the drag from the wing moving through the air, that's called parasite drag and it's insignificant at lower speeds like this. However, creating lift is not free, and it causes something called induced drag which is very high at low flying speeds. This is why many airplanes can get into a situation where they are flying too low and too slow, unable to gain speed while holding altitude because the induced drag is so high that the engines can't overpower it even at full power. I highly doubt that continuously lifting half the car off the ground would be more efficient than the rolling resistance of two wheels. This is a fun experiment, not a smart one lol. Air travel is not efficient, it's fast.
You need flaps to direct the airflow under the wing and a rudder .
Wright brothers would be proud 👌
add ailerons for controllability and a vertical stabilizer tail .
It's too cool not to go further into this adventure . Six feet more wing, and ailerons will help and an upright tail section with some yaw control . It'll take a copilot though but should be more fun than a barrel of monkeys . lol
These guys come up with some of the most interesting experiments.
Need more lift angle and more centered gravity with a rutter to be controllable on land.
As soon as the rear end lifts, the vehicle wants to spin 180 degrees because the greatest drag is forward of the center of lift. There's no directional control. Add a 20' boom to the rear with a vertical fin about 4' square and it will track straight. Even better would be to add a rudder to the fin to provide increased directional stability.
One big drive wheel in the middle, ailerons to keep it level and a rudder.
Place the wing a little farther forward, then get yourself a horizontal stabilizer and slap some elevators on there, so you can actually change your pitch. Most importantly you'll want a vertical stabilizer, you could even throw on a makeshift Rudder if you have enough time to try and control your forward Direction, your yaw
needs proper weight distribution from the wings connections. and a stabilizer ofcourse
Vlad with the Golden Gun 🤣🤣
You would really need a vertical stabilizer and rudder. I think it would be more interesting to actually see it fly. Try adding another wing to the front and make one of the wings pivot with the handbrake to control pitch. Rudder can be hooked to the steering wheel for control.
Tailplane and rear skid for control, stability. Lose weight. Add power. More wing. Roll cage!
You basically need a whole plane tail construction in the back and another wing in the front
The current construction will generate a lift force on the rear, but because the center of mass is past the wing it will produce a rotational momentum. That rotational momentum changes the angle of attack in the wing, making the rear to fall. That means your system is an unstable system because forces don't cancel each other and the overall sum of them is an oscillatory force that compromises control. The best approach is to use a rudder for control when the aerodynamic forces quick in, another wing in the front to counteract the rotational momentum and a set of horizontal stabilizers to add lift when the back lifts up and mitigate the loss of lift
" I vaguely recall seeing footage somewhere of something just like this which leads me to believe it's not going to work" Stewie Griffin
C'est comme Vilebrequin, mais en pire : ils sont Russes !
Je les adore d'autant plus ! Mercis et bravos !
Well..... I've heard of a "Crazy Ivan" before, but I can safely say that's the first time I've ever seen it done! 😂🙀
It needs to be way farther back and needs huge vertical stabilizers to replace the rear wheels with a wing
You need at ad a fin to fix the left-right stability. You also need a stabilizer to control pitch. I guess some way to propell the contraption once airborne wouldn't hurt... then you have yourselfs and airplane!
The center of aerodynamic pressure has to be as close as possible to the center of mass. It will fly properly that way.
A rudder and ailerons are what you need
I think you guys need a vertical stabilizer on the rear to keep it following the front of the vehicle and not wander off to one side or the other.
You could make the back part be more of a Hovercraft... that's technically floating also!
Hello!🖐
You need runners at least one on each side of the wing. Just like the tail on an airplane that will keep your rear end going straight instead of swaying to the left or right.
It just needs a tail fin so the air rushing by keeps the back from fishtailing
You need a Horizontal Stabilizer, it's that Fin that planes and sharks have pointing up so they don't drift uncontrollably side to side
The perpendicularity of the wing to the direction of travel is being compromised by the flexibility of the framework. Cross bracing will help. A vertical tail will help with cross wind conditions.
It would steer better if you had a vertical tail surface as well
I feel like if you did this with an acura legend with a harmonic ballancer mounted prop and proper aviation control surfaces it would work.
Put a tail Rutter to help control it when it’s lifts off
...you've actually done what I've proposed in the previous video, but it's missing the spoiler on the front to increase te grip of the steering wheels. xD
To make this thing a bit more controlable, try installling a forth pedal that will control angle of attack. This way you could control the amount of lift.
Also, a an aeroplane rudder would be of help...;P
The wing should be at the CG, you need to have a rudder connected to the steering and a fan connected to throttle after it takes off.
Trying to make it actually fly is stupidly dangerous. Once you get airborne and add a prop it's just going to crash harder and faster.
Lifting the rear is perfect balance.
Almost there, with a rudder and rc gyroscope and your good.
Someone has finally made a flying car!
Next time add a prop to the harmonic balancer 😂
Try to attach a fin to it to keep it going in a straight line.
a BIG WANG !
One of the smartest projects ever😅 lol
Add a rudder. World of difference.
its happening.. a flying lada is in the works
I think it nees a propeller, because the moment the wheels loose grip on the ground, the air resistance will slow down the car and it will wall down immediately. Just make a plane of it ;)
A top link from a tractor would be a great way to make the angle of the wing adjustable.......
Quite Comfortably . 😁
A rudder and a pair of proper skis out back.
I used to watch a guy calling himself crazy Russian hacker and I think that it's not just him but there are lots of crazy Russians and I love you guys and gals of course so much love from an American 👍❣️
Well , Since it is already frankenstein. Make a rudder from a old motor boat steering system to work with the steering wheel. That would be cool.
Hey! You built Wonder Woman's invisble wing!
it whont fly (all the way off the ground) as it only gets propelled by the driven wheels if they lift of the ground the forward speed will bleed off and it will come down
having a rudder will allow it to steer even with the rear of the ground the frontweels should stay pointed straight ahead , it will steer like a forklift , they probably tried to get the rear airborne with a crosswind , this pushed the car sideways
The old WW1 pusher style biplane called a DH2 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airco_DH.2 is close. So you could run a prop shaft and prop out the back and put a front or rear tail on for directional control and stability. And a joy stick in the floor. You are very close to a flying car!
Two thoughts here:
(1) What if you add a smaller wing to the front of the car to help with lift
(2) The steering issue is not turning the car when the back is off the ground it is shifting the weight and trying to role the car, the steering becomes very sensitive when the back is off the ground.
I'm not sure I am explaining what I mean.
You just need a tail wing in general, it doesn't need to help steer it, just keep the ass from swinging left and right out of control.
IMO your wing is too heavy, the frame should be made from wood or aluminum and you should make the wing angle more easily adjustable. Also, a winglets or even a small drag chute would keep it headed in the right direction.
Best case scenario; a motorcycle👌
It only got "airborne" because he hit the brakes, and the momentum carried over the front pivot point of the tires and lifted the tail up. That was not "lift".
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