Been squaring for over 20 plus years in my 40s and have never used a knee sleeve in my life , thinking about buying some though for increase in my squat
Kevin - I don't have any experience using them while conditioning, but I know some people do use them during conditioning, and I don't see why you couldn't. If they help, I'd go ahead and use them.
I'm glad it helped, and you might appreciate this one as well: How to (EASILY) Put on Tight & Stiff Knee Sleeves (TWO TIPS) th-cam.com/video/4ktbJkcIiP0/w-d-xo.html
Been squatting for 3 months, pretty decent form and not terribly heavy (150lbs) and I have recently experienced a faint but noticeable pain deep in and around my kneecap. Hoping these can help reduce the pain a little bit
I haven’t worn them over sweats, but I have seen it done. They’ll probably fit tighter at the least. On a related note, people wear them over leggings/compression pants all the time, but those are significantly thinner than sweats.
You can indeed. The "should" part is up to you, but people do use them for running. They typically use a thinner variety than the 5mm and 7mm versions I discuss here, but I've seen people run in 5mm and 7mm versions as well.
Thanks, and I’m glad you found it useful. Yes, I’d recommend washing your sleeves - how often will depend on how well you can tolerate their smell :-) if you sweat a lot, or if you train in a hotter environment, they will need washing more often. I air dry mine, and they dry pretty fast.
Do the knee sleeves affect quad activation in the squat? I'd imagine if they're aiding knee extension they would take away from the workload on the quads
Nah - knee sleeves will provide some compression and warmth for the joint, which makes things more comfortable, but they're not providing an appreciable amount of assistance to knee extension. Now, knee wraps, on the other hand, specifically the competition version (read: rather thick and extremely tight and restrictive) used by equipped powerlifters will absolutely aid in knee extension. As they stretch on the descent, they store potential energy, which is then used to come back up out of the hole. Of course, this is the point of such a wrap as they are legal in equipped powerlifting (as opposed to raw powerlifting, where only knee sleeves are permitted) and help lift more weight. Even with this in mind, competition knee wraps won't necessarily reduce quad activation because the lifter will simply lift more weight. Simplistic example here with an arbitrary numbers, but I think it will do the job: 90% "quad activation" without knee sleeves = 400 lb squat while 90% "quad activation" with knee sleeves = 450 lb squat since the sleeves provide the extra 50 lb. And . . . all this said, we don't train anyone who does equipped powerlifting at Testify, but you'll recognize competition wraps at a meet right away - it visibly affects how stiff someone's knees look when they walk. Short version: I'd recommend knee sleeves, and I'd stay away from competition wraps unless you want to do equipped powerlifting. (Training wraps are fine - they're thinner than competition wraps and will function like knee sleeves.) Sorry for the long answer.
Thanks for the video without trying to sell anything. Is a knee sleeve "cheating" or aiding the lift at all? I have a torn meniscus and the on the last few reps and the next day I feel it abit
You're very welcome, and no, we would certainly not consider it cheating, and for what it's worth, they are allowed in raw powerlifting (as is a belt). It's not like a tightly wound knee wrap (used in equipped powerlifting) that actually stores a considerable amount of potential energy on the descent (allowing you to use that stored energy to come back up out of the hole). If a sleeve allows you to train with more comfort - and I bet it will - I'd recommend it. To be fair to the equipped powerlifters out there, knee wraps aren't cheating in that sport as they are allowed by those rules. Knee slide can sometimes cause some knee issues, and just in case that's an issue, you might want to check out our video on using a TUBOW: th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html
This was perfect for me and choosing to buy some for my boyfriend. He wants to do cross fit but he jumps into things too fast to show off, hurts himself, then beats himself up for not looking like professional. His knee was reconstructed after motocross accident so lifting hurts him a little. THESE WILL HELP 👏🏾
I'd generally recommend putting them on during your warm-ups, but it's not a huge deal either way. Some people will treat it like their belt and put it on sometime around their last warm-up.
@@jessicamm382 If your knees feel great, don't worry about wearing them, and if they're a bit cranky, go ahead and use them. This may sound simplistic, but don't overthink it. It's easy to go down a rabbit hole with too much thinking about stuff like this. We've linked to some solid knee sleeves in the description below this video (these were mentioned/shown in the video), but here they are again: Phil's Rehband knee sleeves: amzn.to/3wZW9cw Stoic knee sleeves: amzn.to/3cKSAQR Iron Bull knee sleeves: amzn.to/3RnUPs6 Hope this helps!
Is it healthy to wear knee sleeves on days I need to stand for 8 hours (work related Issue). I've been doing it and my knees feel no pain but I'm not sure if it's healthy.
No worries:-) While I don’t have any experience wearing them continuously for that much time, as long as you’re not experiencing any negative effects (and presumably, they’re not so tight that they’re negatively affecting circulation), then I don’t see any problems with it.
Brian, sorry for the belated response. If you’re squatting, you will probably appreciate knee sleeves. That said, the first and foremost thing I would recommend is getting some solid coaching on the squat. I recommend this for anybody who is squatting, but especially for someone with your knee history. My recommendation would be to find a Starting Strength Coach.
My patella tendon hurts during squatting, especially my right one. I am fine during deadlifting. I know you said you dont recommend wearing sleeves if the knees are fine during DL but what do you recommend as an aid to help the tendons during squatting?
Daniel, In addition to knee sleeves, I'd recommend having a coach look at your squat. Specifically, I'd recommend contacting a Starting Strength Coach, and you can find the directory here: startingstrength.com/coaching/ssc (If you can make it to Omaha, we can work with you in person, and if you're can't, we can set up a remote session. All this said, this is not intended to be a sales pitch for Testify - suffice to say I'd advise working with a good coach). Barring that, I'd recommend taking a look at these videos as they may help with some technique and tendon issues: How to Start Lifting | Learn to Squat th-cam.com/video/iDWIeTVoGG8/w-d-xo.html TUBOW: The Portable Squat Coach th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html The Squat: Hips and Knees Together! th-cam.com/video/Ejrk7KSbWRI/w-d-xo.html Tempo Squats: What and Why th-cam.com/video/7W_Qd2bGoqE/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps, Daniel!
@@Squirrel-harvest_ Yo thanks for the advise. I posted the original comment 8 months ago so I was just about 4 months into my Gym career! The patella tendon pain is gone now, I dont feel it at all even after heavy squat sessions. It was my form I think what was causing all the issues, I dont wear knee sleeves yet or any other aid for that matter I just focus on my form and the bracing part. so I am glad I figured it out. Yesterday I hit my heaviest squat PR yet, 315 :)
Is there any starting point in terms of weight when to consider wearing them? Like If I should wear those even if my 1RM is less than 100kg? Or it depends on a person?
So i have sometimes its really weird pain in my knees while squating i went to the doctor and she said she didnt noticed something but when i squat i sometimes gets a little painfull snap and then after that i dont feel pain anymore and when i run i dont have a problem and its mostly my left knee
I imagine you probably could, although I am certainly not a cycling expert. If you’re going to introduce a new variable into your training, as with most things, I would recommend starting on the conservative side of things. For example, trying out knee sleeves on a shorter ride and gradually increasing the distance is probably a better approach than putting them on for a century ride the first time you try them.
Great video! How about the Element 26 6mm knee sleeves? I hear the outer shell is very strong and made well, hence they have better support than even some cheap 7mm sleeves.
Nope, no worries there. And if someone’s knees are a bit bothersome, and knee sleeves provide enough comfort that training is more consistent and therefore productive, they’d actually help muscle growth.
I have 4mm knee sleeves for when I hike up mountains with my dog. I also use the 4mm with my squats. After watching your video I’m guessing I should upgrade to 7mm for my squats and leave the 4mm for my hikes?!?!?
If the 4 mm sleeves are working well for you for squatting, I wouldn't say it's a mistake to keep using them, but I'll bet you'll like the 7 mm sleeves better.
I don't have personal experience with either one (mine are Rehband), but we have lifters at our gym who use both and like both. I'd wager the SBD will last longer, and that might make up the price difference.
I’m assuming you’re asking about the potential benefit of knee sleeves for running, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. They can indeed be useful for running as well as other sports such as basketball, volleyball, etc.
Would sleeves be good for lighter weight? Im new to lifting and I havent done anything heavy but im a 300 pound guy and my knees hurt just doing basic body weight squats.
The simplest approach is to use them if your knees bug you, so I wouldn't worry about tying the use of the sleeves to a certain weight level. With that said, I would also recommend seeking out a coach to get some coaching on your squat technique as this can make a significant difference for those with knee pain (good coaching will always make a difference, but it can make an even bigger difference for those with pain). You can do whatever you like, of course, but I would strongly recommend seeking out a Starting Strength Coach. Here's the directory of SSCs: startingstrength.org/site/coaches We'd love to work with you if you're ever in the Omaha area, but there are SSCs across the nation to help you out and get you started on your journey of strength.
As of recently my knee sort of aches when I get to the bottom of the squat or right before it, would knee sleeves be the right thing for me ? Also would putting ice on the knee after my workout help with the aching ?
A knee sleeve might indeed help your situation. Ice will help in the acute sense, i.e., it will help with the aching immediately afterward, but its effects will be temporary (which doesn't mean it's not worth doing if it helps). One thing to consider would be the possibility of your knees sliding forward excessively at the bottom of your squat. It might not be a problem, but in case it is, I'd recommend checking out our video on the TUBOW: th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html.
Ow 3rd comment.. does it matter if you use them with hamstring curls or leg extension and stiffleg deadloft because im gonna wear them under my pants because i trsin in long jogging
The Iron Bulls belong to one of our members (unfortunately, I don't know who), so I don't have any personal experience with them, but I haven't heard any complaints, and to my knowledge, they're still in use.
Roger that, and already done :-) That video was a while ago. It's interesting, though - have you by any chance checked your TH-cam volume settings? For what it's worth, my TH-cam volume is usually set to high, and as for my devices, I don't have my phone past 1/3 volume and I don't have my computer past 1/2 volume when I listen to it. Any louder than that, and it becomes annoyingly loud.
Helpful. Thanks. I can't wait to wear these while doing curls in the squat rack.
fucking hell🤣
I'd recommend wearing them while doing skull crushers on the bench press
Literally made me lol. Good shit
You must be able to curl a lot. Awesome
Best be ready for me to use my new pair of wrist straps for my AMRAP of squats in the curl rack😝
Great video! No useless information, just a clear and helpful overview
Thanks David - glad you found it useful!
Thank you. Very concise and to the point. I appreciate it a lot.
You're very welcome!
Simple, no bullshit explanation. Cheers!
Thanks very much!
Been squaring for over 20 plus years in my 40s and have never used a knee sleeve in my life , thinking about buying some though for increase in my squat
No guarantees of course, but people generally like using them quite a bit.
Thanks for teaching me the ways father
Ha! You’re welcome :-)
Phil, your content is awesome. You gotta get a good mic though, I can hardly hear you.
Thanks, Andrew, and you're absolutely correct. I've been meaning to do that for weeks now :-)
@Player 1 Thanks, and we finally got a mic, so hopefully future videos should be a bit better in that regard.
@@TestifySC can I use these for skiing on a Nordic track machine seeing that I have mild arthritis in both knees ???
Kevin - I don't have any experience using them while conditioning, but I know some people do use them during conditioning, and I don't see why you couldn't. If they help, I'd go ahead and use them.
Really helps.Thank you.
I'm glad it helped, and you might appreciate this one as well:
How to (EASILY) Put on Tight & Stiff Knee Sleeves (TWO TIPS)
th-cam.com/video/4ktbJkcIiP0/w-d-xo.html
Most underrated lifting channel
Thanks very much!
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it, and you’re welcome!
Been squatting for 3 months, pretty decent form and not terribly heavy (150lbs) and I have recently experienced a faint but noticeable pain deep in and around my kneecap. Hoping these can help reduce the pain a little bit
Tendon issues. You need to back off the squat volume
Look up Kneesovertoes !
If you're having knee pain at only 150lbs then I'd take another look at your form unless you have a medical condition or something
@@fernandomoreno7753 probably patella tendinopathy
Haha I love this dudes personality. Great video, thank you!
Thanks, and I'm glad you liked it!
I see people wear these over there sweats. Forgot my gym shorts today and I’m trying to see if I can find any videos on knee sleeves with sweat pants
I haven’t worn them over sweats, but I have seen it done. They’ll probably fit tighter at the least. On a related note, people wear them over leggings/compression pants all the time, but those are significantly thinner than sweats.
Is it good for snowboarding?
You could certainly use them for snowboarding.
Should i wear them while running? I run on charcoal road here in india.
You can indeed. The "should" part is up to you, but people do use them for running. They typically use a thinner variety than the 5mm and 7mm versions I discuss here, but I've seen people run in 5mm and 7mm versions as well.
Excellent seen these but no one talks about why and what they do.
Thanks - glad it was useful!
Not sure if it’s intentional or not, or just how he is, but Phil makes me laugh at some point in every video. “It’s this thing On the computer “
Ha! Thanks :-)
Homer Simpson Reference
Hey man, amazing video you made it so clear. Also do knee sleeves need washing?
Thanks, and I’m glad you found it useful. Yes, I’d recommend washing your sleeves - how often will depend on how well you can tolerate their smell :-) if you sweat a lot, or if you train in a hotter environment, they will need washing more often. I air dry mine, and they dry pretty fast.
Really helpful, thanks.
You’re very welcome - glad it was helpful.
Do the knee sleeves affect quad activation in the squat? I'd imagine if they're aiding knee extension they would take away from the workload on the quads
Nah - knee sleeves will provide some compression and warmth for the joint, which makes things more comfortable, but they're not providing an appreciable amount of assistance to knee extension.
Now, knee wraps, on the other hand, specifically the competition version (read: rather thick and extremely tight and restrictive) used by equipped powerlifters will absolutely aid in knee extension. As they stretch on the descent, they store potential energy, which is then used to come back up out of the hole. Of course, this is the point of such a wrap as they are legal in equipped powerlifting (as opposed to raw powerlifting, where only knee sleeves are permitted) and help lift more weight.
Even with this in mind, competition knee wraps won't necessarily reduce quad activation because the lifter will simply lift more weight. Simplistic example here with an arbitrary numbers, but I think it will do the job: 90% "quad activation" without knee sleeves = 400 lb squat while 90% "quad activation" with knee sleeves = 450 lb squat since the sleeves provide the extra 50 lb.
And . . . all this said, we don't train anyone who does equipped powerlifting at Testify, but you'll recognize competition wraps at a meet right away - it visibly affects how stiff someone's knees look when they walk.
Short version: I'd recommend knee sleeves, and I'd stay away from competition wraps unless you want to do equipped powerlifting. (Training wraps are fine - they're thinner than competition wraps and will function like knee sleeves.)
Sorry for the long answer.
nicely explained
@@virajsfvk Thanks very much.
Thanks for the video without trying to sell anything. Is a knee sleeve "cheating" or aiding the lift at all? I have a torn meniscus and the on the last few reps and the next day I feel it abit
You're very welcome, and no, we would certainly not consider it cheating, and for what it's worth, they are allowed in raw powerlifting (as is a belt). It's not like a tightly wound knee wrap (used in equipped powerlifting) that actually stores a considerable amount of potential energy on the descent (allowing you to use that stored energy to come back up out of the hole). If a sleeve allows you to train with more comfort - and I bet it will - I'd recommend it.
To be fair to the equipped powerlifters out there, knee wraps aren't cheating in that sport as they are allowed by those rules.
Knee slide can sometimes cause some knee issues, and just in case that's an issue, you might want to check out our video on using a TUBOW: th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html
@@TestifySC awesome thanks very much for the tips! I'll have a look
@@kicknitoldskool You're welcome!
Nice and to the point. Thanks. Subscribed.
Thanks for the kind words!
@@TestifySC no worries! Good luck getting to a thousand.
Love a good matter of fact video
Thanks, Tyus!
This was perfect for me and choosing to buy some for my boyfriend. He wants to do cross fit but he jumps into things too fast to show off, hurts himself, then beats himself up for not looking like professional. His knee was reconstructed after motocross accident so lifting hurts him a little. THESE WILL HELP 👏🏾
I'm glad this helped!
He's lucky have a caring girl like you
Should I put my knee sleeves during my warm up sets or wait till my working sets????
I'd generally recommend putting them on during your warm-ups, but it's not a huge deal either way. Some people will treat it like their belt and put it on sometime around their last warm-up.
Hi, I am decide to do jump rope and jogging I am not sure if I should use knee sleeve on them.
They can be used for those activities if you like.
@@TestifySC Should it be one knee or both?
If only one knee is bothersome, then just use a sleeve on that knee. If both knees are a little cranky, then use one on each knee.
@@TestifySCShould you use knee sleeve every time during exercise? And when should I not use it?
@@jessicamm382 If your knees feel great, don't worry about wearing them, and if they're a bit cranky, go ahead and use them. This may sound simplistic, but don't overthink it. It's easy to go down a rabbit hole with too much thinking about stuff like this. We've linked to some solid knee sleeves in the description below this video (these were mentioned/shown in the video), but here they are again:
Phil's Rehband knee sleeves: amzn.to/3wZW9cw
Stoic knee sleeves: amzn.to/3cKSAQR
Iron Bull knee sleeves: amzn.to/3RnUPs6
Hope this helps!
Is it healthy to wear knee sleeves on days I need to stand for 8 hours (work related Issue). I've been doing it and my knees feel no pain but I'm not sure if it's healthy.
I don't imagine there would be any problem with doing that.
@Testify Strength & Conditioning that's great to hear, it's been a life changer for my working days!
Glad to hear it!
@@TestifySC sorry just to clarify and stop spamming: I wear them DURING work for 8 hours straight, is that ok?
PS: Thank you so much for your time!
No worries:-) While I don’t have any experience wearing them continuously for that much time, as long as you’re not experiencing any negative effects (and presumably, they’re not so tight that they’re negatively affecting circulation), then I don’t see any problems with it.
So with having 3 acl and mcl Sugreys would this do me any good at all ?
Damn bro ur cracked
Look up kneesovertoesguy
Brian, sorry for the belated response. If you’re squatting, you will probably appreciate knee sleeves. That said, the first and foremost thing I would recommend is getting some solid coaching on the squat. I recommend this for anybody who is squatting, but especially for someone with your knee history. My recommendation would be to find a Starting Strength Coach.
My patella tendon hurts during squatting, especially my right one. I am fine during deadlifting. I know you said you dont recommend wearing sleeves if the knees are fine during DL but what do you recommend as an aid to help the tendons during squatting?
Daniel,
In addition to knee sleeves, I'd recommend having a coach look at your squat. Specifically, I'd recommend contacting a Starting Strength Coach, and you can find the directory here: startingstrength.com/coaching/ssc
(If you can make it to Omaha, we can work with you in person, and if you're can't, we can set up a remote session. All this said, this is not intended to be a sales pitch for Testify - suffice to say I'd advise working with a good coach).
Barring that, I'd recommend taking a look at these videos as they may help with some technique and tendon issues:
How to Start Lifting | Learn to Squat
th-cam.com/video/iDWIeTVoGG8/w-d-xo.html
TUBOW: The Portable Squat Coach
th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html
The Squat: Hips and Knees Together!
th-cam.com/video/Ejrk7KSbWRI/w-d-xo.html
Tempo Squats: What and Why
th-cam.com/video/7W_Qd2bGoqE/w-d-xo.html
I hope this helps, Daniel!
Look up knees over toes guy. Do Patella raises
Try hip adduction & hip abduction as a warm up 3 x 12 for each. I used to ache all the time when going straight into squats/deadlifts. Hope it helps
@@Squirrel-harvest_ Yo thanks for the advise. I posted the original comment 8 months ago so I was just about 4 months into my Gym career! The patella tendon pain is gone now, I dont feel it at all even after heavy squat sessions. It was my form I think what was causing all the issues, I dont wear knee sleeves yet or any other aid for that matter I just focus on my form and the bracing part. so I am glad I figured it out. Yesterday I hit my heaviest squat PR yet, 315 :)
Is there any starting point in terms of weight when to consider wearing them? Like If I should wear those even if my 1RM is less than 100kg? Or it depends on a person?
No specific starting weight - if they would benefit your knees, then I’d recommend starting to wear them.
So i have sometimes its really weird pain in my knees while squating i went to the doctor and she said she didnt noticed something but when i squat i sometimes gets a little painfull snap and then after that i dont feel pain anymore and when i run i dont have a problem and its mostly my left knee
Thanks!
You're very welcome!
Can we use sleeves during cycling
I imagine you probably could, although I am certainly not a cycling expert. If you’re going to introduce a new variable into your training, as with most things, I would recommend starting on the conservative side of things. For example, trying out knee sleeves on a shorter ride and gradually increasing the distance is probably a better approach than putting them on for a century ride the first time you try them.
Great video! How about the Element 26 6mm knee sleeves? I hear the outer shell is very strong and made well, hence they have better support than even some cheap 7mm sleeves.
Thanks for the kind words, and as for those knee sleeves, I don’t have any personal experience with them, so I probably wouldn’t be the best source.
Will knee sleeves reduce muscle growth?
Nope, no worries there. And if someone’s knees are a bit bothersome, and knee sleeves provide enough comfort that training is more consistent and therefore productive, they’d actually help muscle growth.
I have 4mm knee sleeves for when I hike up mountains with my dog. I also use the 4mm with my squats. After watching your video I’m guessing I should upgrade to 7mm for my squats and leave the 4mm for my hikes?!?!?
If the 4 mm sleeves are working well for you for squatting, I wouldn't say it's a mistake to keep using them, but I'll bet you'll like the 7 mm sleeves better.
@@TestifySC Thanks!
You're welcome!
So I have a pack test coming up. Walk a three mile time limit of 45 mins. My knees are a little weak. What do you recommend?
Sbd vs iron bull? is sbd worth 2x the price ?
I don't have personal experience with either one (mine are Rehband), but we have lifters at our gym who use both and like both. I'd wager the SBD will last longer, and that might make up the price difference.
i love your sarcasm it kills me😹amazing video tho
Ha! Glad you liked it :-)
What about running!
I’m assuming you’re asking about the potential benefit of knee sleeves for running, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. They can indeed be useful for running as well as other sports such as basketball, volleyball, etc.
Would sleeves be good for lighter weight? Im new to lifting and I havent done anything heavy but im a 300 pound guy and my knees hurt just doing basic body weight squats.
The simplest approach is to use them if your knees bug you, so I wouldn't worry about tying the use of the sleeves to a certain weight level. With that said, I would also recommend seeking out a coach to get some coaching on your squat technique as this can make a significant difference for those with knee pain (good coaching will always make a difference, but it can make an even bigger difference for those with pain). You can do whatever you like, of course, but I would strongly recommend seeking out a Starting Strength Coach. Here's the directory of SSCs: startingstrength.org/site/coaches
We'd love to work with you if you're ever in the Omaha area, but there are SSCs across the nation to help you out and get you started on your journey of strength.
As of recently my knee sort of aches when I get to the bottom of the squat or right before it, would knee sleeves be the right thing for me ? Also would putting ice on the knee after my workout help with the aching ?
A knee sleeve might indeed help your situation. Ice will help in the acute sense, i.e., it will help with the aching immediately afterward, but its effects will be temporary (which doesn't mean it's not worth doing if it helps). One thing to consider would be the possibility of your knees sliding forward excessively at the bottom of your squat. It might not be a problem, but in case it is, I'd recommend checking out our video on the TUBOW: th-cam.com/video/_wEF-YDesaw/w-d-xo.html.
@@TestifySC thank you my friend, subscribed !
@@jackfahy2283 You're welcome, and thanks!
Ow 3rd comment.. does it matter if you use them with hamstring curls or leg extension and stiffleg deadloft because im gonna wear them under my pants because i trsin in long jogging
wait are the iron bulls any good compared to the others on the board?
The Iron Bulls belong to one of our members (unfortunately, I don't know who), so I don't have any personal experience with them, but I haven't heard any complaints, and to my knowledge, they're still in use.
Nice video...but poor audio quality. Get a mic please. Volume is really low.
Roger that, and already done :-) That video was a while ago. It's interesting, though - have you by any chance checked your TH-cam volume settings? For what it's worth, my TH-cam volume is usually set to high, and as for my devices, I don't have my phone past 1/3 volume and I don't have my computer past 1/2 volume when I listen to it. Any louder than that, and it becomes annoyingly loud.
Thumbs up for Simpsons reference
Nice catch!
lol the internet line
I try :-)
Cerberus knee sleeves are some of the best. Don’t bother with any of the shittier knee sleeves like mark bells
Fk me i just bought 5mm....