5 Reasons: 1) Choice between Batteries and Accumulator 2) Cable not integrated with motors and sensors 3) Light color of beams 4) Compatible with electronic parts from older set 5) plastic track :)
Mat VanHaalal true but new system also has absolute positioning motors, powered up compatibility with technic sets (different from power functions compatibility on NXT and EV3 since power functions motors don’t have internal rotation sensors but powered up motors do). Internal 3 axis gyro and accelerometer, programmable and fully customizable remote control when streaming program (better than the one offered in NXT and EV3) and more! Both systems have their advantages
The EV3 is a full fledged computer. I can run Debian on it (without modifing anything or breaking warranty, it's as easy as pluging in an sd card) and use any programming language what so ever: C, C++, Python, Java, etc. I can run a web server on it and host a web application to control it from a smartphone or computer browser without installing any other software on them. And it has a USB host port to which one can connect every sort of device (Wi-Fi dongles to connect to access points and the internet or host an access point, webcams to see what you are doing, flash drives, ethernet dongles, arduino boards, other older mindstorm bricks, etc). One can even connect to the USB port a WeDo usb hub and use any Power Function device through it.
I understand your Reasons! Personally I just like the EV3 because it has more options with cables, screen, more sensors etc. But after watching this video I'm liking the 51515 more than first! Great!
I agree on multible topics, like the formfactor, compatibitity and the load-cell-module and the absolute encoder motors are indeed amazing. But: My first thought was "Oh holy shit, I miss a real display!" The dot matrix the new system has, is just not having enough possibilities and functions. It´s more a playing feature than a usable function. Losing Daisy-chaining is also a HUGE setback and will piss off many experienced Mindstorm fans. And also the name gives me a headache: EV3 was a short and simple name. Let´s just call it EV4 ! ! !
One problem that I've looked into and there's (from what I've found) really no way to extend the cable for larger builds. It was an easy fix with EV3/NXT because you had swappable cables, inventor just has the cables connected directly and you can't change em. Wish they included like an extension cable that would take the old cable and add more length to it but I'm not Lego so I can't change that.
Have thay made the cable longer sints you posted this mate. .hope Lego thinks about. What U have seed ..I remember Waching a vid 3 years back. And thay was sad. That the old stuff. Can not be hook up with. The new mind storm stuff. Cas it's all programmed now
That is interesting, LED display panel with Bluetooth. It takes time when you try to create communication with sort of data in an open medium and high return rates, with this I think you can create many robots or remote devices in response to your plan. ( Before testing with codes or completing the design communication is one thing on the checklist and any of the comment I read below they talking about cable options or adaptive cords working with )
1) EV3, NXT, NXT 2.0 and RCX all had LCDs, new hub has led matrix display. From my experience with NXT and EV3 its screen is absolutely fine for interfacing with a hub as well as debugging with on hardware feedback. It is also can be used for interfacing with a program in many ways (especially on EV3). While new display looks cool it can't be used for more precise debugging such as identifying precise error causing readings. 2) Absolute encoding is nice but you can deal with lack of it using consistent start position or limit check where possible. 3) Attached proprietary connectors are a bad ide in terms of design flexibility as well as making it harder to manufacture third party sensors and modules.
These are all great points, especially point #2, the absolute positioning motors are great and incredibly accurate. I did an experiment, doing 100 rotations of a motor and it always returned to the 0 position when commanded. I think you left out a MAJOR improvement though, the onboard accelerometer and gyros on the new Hub. This is a MASSIVE improvement and frees up art least one sensor port on those EV3 designs that use a gyro and this gyro and accelerometer is MUCH better than the EV3 gyro sensor. I also like the lightweight and size of the new hub, it is almost shocking how light and small it is. I also like the software that comes with the 51515 set much better and since I have been working with micro-python on various micro-controllers since nearly the beginning of micro-python I LOVE the micro-python implementation on the hub. In fact the HUB is based on the STM32F413 microcontroller which has excellent micro-python support. I do like the screen on the EV3 a bit better, I am not a fan of the 5X5 LED display. I would have rather have had a small, color touch screen LCD. Right now though, I still like the EV3 a tiny bit better. With more time using it, and updates from Lego and the community the new hub will probably surpass it in my mind.
Thanks! Yes i definitely forgot to talk about the internal gyro! I'm thinking of making another "5 more reasons why 51515 is better than ev3" video and thats where ill talk about the internal gyro and the internal accelerometer
I began working on a huge project, big robot and also very complicated, but that was 1 year ago and I bought EV3 because it was much cheaper then when it was released and the new system wasn't even out. I encoutered the problem of not having enough EV3 motors and power functions motors that I wanted to use somehow, and I found a video from technic robot on how to modify a cable to be able to connect not 1 power functions motor, but 2 to 1 port, each one moving just in one direction, but I used 2 of them as periodic function changers, and combined with other systems I could get 11 functions out of a single Ev3 brick, using a total of 8 motors, and they will change pretty fast, put in a way that more of them will be free to move at the same time, so really the amount of ports you have is not a limitation if you have some creativity. It will also have 4 sensors, and each of them will calibrate and feel more functions, again, no need for the new motors, and yes, the EV3 motors and brick are very large, but if you are a good builder this shouldn't be a problem. For my project I had to rebuild many parts many times to fit all the stuff and not be too large, but in the end, if you have a limited budget, plenty of pieces and old motors laying around, like many lego fans, EV3 is still very much worth it. Plus the blocks programming is very intuitive. Nice video btw.
Yeah well, don't have the money :))) now I'm only buying part if I need them for my robot, but other than that, I have all I need. And after I'm done building it, I'll spend a lot of time programming it, so I won't be building other things for a while.
Personally : I like the EV3 (or the NXT for that matter) over the 51515. For one : When developing I like to monitor several variable-values. Whether that's on a monochrome or color-LCD screen : I don't care. But this "monitoring" is a lot harder with the "tetris-style" screen. You "rant" about the EV3 not having a color-screen.... the 515151 doesn't either, though... it's not even a real screen, in my opinion. Also, I'm not a great fan of python per sé. And The EV3 was, in the later stages, also programmable in Python although I have a feeling that there were two versions of this Python from different sources. I had it installed from the lego-website but when trying examples I discovered this. Personally I much rather work in RobotC. For me, Python is not better readable that any other programming-language I've worked with NXT was programmable in NXC. In my opinion the best IDE I worked with for mindstorms. However, NXT only had large motors. The EV3 has Medium-motors available, so that, for me, is not an arguement to choose 51515 over EV3 About the touch-sensors to "synchronize": I used to start from a known position (for example : All the way down or whatever. then keep track of motor-movement from there. However, this absolute positioning in 51515 can be a great advantage. Also the touch-sensor has "evolved" into a force-sensor. That's a nice development. One of the main-features for advanced devolopers was the possiblity to daisy-chain multiple EV3's (up to 4, I believe). So, In that regard it's a step back.
You have many great points. And I completely agree with you that NXT is king! I loved NXC myself too! Although, EV3 was never compatible with power functions (you could connect with cables and converters but no rotation sensor feedback) new system is a major advancement in terms of this. You can finally code lego Technic sets with python. That’s pretty insane. As for monitoring the variables, I understand where you’re coming from, since I do a lot of such coding on the new system myself. The software actually lets you really easily monitor all the variables from the computer itself. Plus the new screen is much larger and it’s very bright. New one looks pretty great too in the dark! Yes, EV3 did have medium motor available, but it was still much larger than the powered up motors offered and you still had to use the absurdly large hub.
@@Unbrickme true, the 51515 hub is way smaller. That's a great advantage, I agree. From other comments I understand that daisychaining will be possible. Perhaps I will get into it.. after all, you can't love what you don't know, right?
I wasn’t going to buy this MINDSTORMS system, but I ended up getting the 51515 plus the LEGO Education Prime and Expansion sets. I have 2 of the EV3 Education Core sets and 4 Expansion sets along with the 31313 set. I also own the Rcx 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 sets and a couple of the NXT sets.
@@Unbrickme 6) you can build a retro gaming console (pong, packman, snake etc.) with the 'high res' display and the many buttons that just the brick has. You cannot do that with a 5x5 matrix, which makes half of my creations impossible with the new set. I really hope for a better display and a camera module for the mindstorms v5. This v4 is still one big disapointment for me. Display and color sensor are, what improved from v1 to v2 and from v2 to v3. I really had high hopes the same would be true for the v3 to v4 upgrade. At least the motor followed the usual trend (it always upgraded in strength and precision from v1 over v2, v3 and now v4, with the absolute positioning).
Most of the advantages stated are not related to the EV3 brick, but to the motors. Lego could have updated the hardware in the EV3 brick, made it smaller and offers new/alternative motors. To bring all advantages to the EV3 system, but they preferred to break the compatibility to start a new ecosystem. Breaking what is so awesome about Lego (keeping the compatibility for 50 years). It's easy for a guy wearing an Apple shirt to ditch on Linux 😜.
They didn’t necessarily start a new ecosystem, powered up has already been established for a good while now. I’m honestly just glad that everything modern lego is compatible with each other. We haven’t had this since like the 9v system. Remember we had power functions cables and mindstorms cables which weren’t really compatible
Any new information on daisy-chaining the hubs yet? I am planning on purchasing two Robot Inventor kits to build a large robot for guarding my bedroom soon, and I am searching all over the internet for tips and tricks on how I can synchronize its functions.
I just discovered your channel today, and already watched dozens of your videos 😄 They really inspire me to make videos again! I've always felt like the social dimension was lacking in Lego Technic videos, people often getting shy in front of the camera perhaps ;) Nice to see a face!
I don’t personally think the motor variety is a big advantage. With ev3 you had the large motor and the medium motor. A high torque drive motor and a small profile lower torque motor.
Plus you can use Raspberry PI computer with Build Hat as your controller and allow integration of WiFi, Camera, big HD video displays up to 4k, music/speech and a large array of sensors, GPS and other widgets you just can't find in Lego.
I participated in a wro junior competition in 2024. I used ev3 and I also thought that ev3 is king but I had so many problems with the color sensor, the color sensor was not reading properly it felt like the color sensor was just guessing what color it was seeing, when the robot was line following we told the robot to stop line following when it saw green but it didn't see it as green it saw it as blue, we eventually changed the stopping color to blue and green,but before we changed it literaly line followed on the green and stopped when it saw it again(I used one sensor for following, and anothor sensor for stopping) it even saw grey as black. 2) the gyro sensor, the ev3 gyro sensor SUCKS it drifts so much and sometimes it starts counting to infinety even though the robot is still, this completely ruined the gyro turning alg that I use it tells the robot to keep turning until(assuming the angle is positive) the robot reches the desired angle or an angle greater than it, if the angle is greater than the desired angle move very slowly to reach the desired angle when the gyro sensor starts counting to infinety it keeps turning counterclockwise forever 3)motors not only is it really hard to measure degrees acurately using the ev3 motor encoders and they always don't move the amount of degrees you tell them to we tinkered with the degree value for hours and it still didn't work note that these are the problems that my team and some other teams faced. but there was one team that i could watch training that used spike prime, their robot's performance was astounding, their robot made almost no mistakes, andwhen I asked teams that used spike they told me they had no problem what so ever with the color sensor and as far as I know the motors are more precise and the gyro is way better so this changed my position and now I think that spike is king. note that the ev3 i used wasn't mine. I decide to by spike lrime as my robotics system due to the reasons said before and one more reason spikes ports are input and output which means you can have six motors whkch is more than four on the ev3 and most builds require more motors than sensors as far as I know and more motors=more versatility also can anyone tell me what is the cheapest lego te hnic set with a gearbox the contains driving rings and tell how is your situation with ev3 ks it similar to mine or not note: that I know most of the ev3 problems can be fixed for an example you can use a less acurate non-gyro turn and then make ur robot bump into a wall to stabalize itself but why pick the more complex soultion when if u use spike these problems are already solved so why spend time on solving them(this only applies if u don't have any kit) but if u have ev3 there is no need to upgrade to spike as these problems can be solved but I don't have an ev3 or a spike so I picked spike plus I find solving these problems with the ev3 really boring so I prefer spike, this does NOT mean it is better, this means it is better for ME spike still has many disadvantages that may make the ev3 better for you but I think that these advantages I mentioned make up for any disadvantage that spike has
is this correct that the new system can connect to less motors/ sensors that the previous one? if that is true that is a game change downside in my opinion. please answer thanks
its a game changer because the ports are input/output. previously you could only have 4 motors and 4 sensors but with the new system you get 6 motors or 6 sensors or a combination like 5 motors and 1 sensor
Great I have the set also. Ev3 can do python also. I like the Ev3 display where you can upload images. If there's more pieces with the new mindstorms set just get the education set plus the expansion set. If you were to get spike prime + expansion set it would be more extensive than the Ev3 combination.
I should’ve maybe stated it clearer, but I never said it wasn’t possible to code the ev3 with python, I said it’s finally possible to code the powered up system with python
@@Unbrickme True i don't think I even care about bulky motors. Its just tech back then. When you say the new mindstorms kit pieces are better no I personally think the Ev3 educational kit + expansion set can make a hugh difference. I created like 50 technic models from that set. That said the old Ev3 expansion set also has a differential and a you can still make cool supention from that. The expansion set and the educational set can be replaced with 31313 and still make all the models.
Well, I was never comparing it to the education version, I compared it to the 31313. That has only 606 parts but that new kit has 949 pieces. These new pieces are also updated, so you get a much greater selection of newer technic parts
@@Unbrickme Haha you wanted to make as many people as possible think that the New system is so much better, for things that the ev3 can do, which is 7 years older 😂😂
Hi, @Unbrickme . I have a question: is it possible to use real clock time (eg 20:21) hh:mm in the script code on the new hub? I need to trigger functions based on the actual time of the day, and the code should run continuously for my automation project. I dont have lego Mindstorms yet amd need to determine if it has the capability which i need.
Ok I get it's better but seriously, how is the simple and informative display better than the couple of LEDs inside the new hub? Only reason I can think it's better is that you can animate it to represent a face of the robot, but other than that it's much worse to use. But I guess the app replaces the screen nowadays.
Thanks bro I bought a r I kit and I'm today I'm looking to get ev3 in the future I have like 8 kits plus prime kits too at university, the reason I want ev3 Is I'm a fan and the cables are unpluggable and not hardwired into the motor n sensor but either way I'm happy I'll have both at the end of the day
Great video! Quick question about the ultrasonic sensor in 51515. I just built Tricky, and the Ultrasonic sensor seems a little sketchy. Most of the time, it measures correctly when things are close, but then I see momentary readings where it says something is 200cm when it’s definitely not 200cm away. Also, anything over 150cm distance registers 200cm (e.g., if something it’s 152cm away, the sensor says it’s 200cm away). I did this test on a flat wall with the sensor pointed perpendicular to it. Did you have same issues? Do you think it's worth it to get the Spike Prime Expansion set to use with 51515? Also, how do you know there's going to be daisy-chaining in the future. Thanks!
I would say 51515 is better for me because of the 3 major flaws of EV3: 1. NXT-like brick size difficult to integrate in compact design. 2. Giant motors with inbuilt transmission, that's completely "anti-Lego" and even more so makes compact design difficult. 3. Running Linux kernel on the brick. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's a good idea, it's a over-engineered waste of battery, startup time and program execution efficiency (why a multitasking OS here??). 51515 fixes these 3 issues, though that's not good enough for me to say bye bye to my NXT (or ev3 if I had one). I would say both EV3 and 51515 are a disappointment, not because they are bad, they are both brilliant, but because of adding nothing essential over NXT (2006). For me the real benefit of using NXT over RCX is Bluetooth+Python (via nxt-python) + ultrasonic distance sensor, the rest and what came after added mostly unnecessary stuff. For advanced robots simply attach a smartphone to the robot, and run the Python program, including vision processing on the smartphone, controlling the robot over Bluetooth or Wifi. This way the LEGO group could make smartphone integration with Deep Learning and reasoning capability easy for children, so that they can get to experience the benefits of successful AI tech that resulted from the 2 major AI waves. Robots that learn, and exhibit much more complex and interesting behaviors, easy to set up and play with by children (not just grad. students like me), that's what I would consider a real improvement of the toy! :)
Unbrickme I’m new to this and still and I’m still between this and EV3. Been a beginner I don’t mind not having the daisy chaining yet but I do wondering what lead the lego people to leave such an important feature out. From what I’ve seen it’s very crucial for the competitions. To my eyes the 51515 isn’t a direct successor to EV3 so a conspiracy of mine is that maybe they are going to release another mor feature proof version sometime soon? Lol
Most fans have had this idea, that this set isn’t actually a successor to the ev3, but I can confirm, they won’t release another version. LEGO is marketing this as a direct success to the ev3. Plus, it doesn’t lack enough features to make it not a successor to the ev3. The only thing that’s missing now is daisy chaining, every other function can be replicated. The new hub does support up to four Bluetooth low energy connections so it communicate with four different hubs. This might mean that there are four in total, or one main hub, with four being slave hubs, so 5 hubs total. Because the hubs can actually communicate with each other via Bluetooth, I have no doubt that daisy chaining will be implemented in the future via software update.
Unbrickme at least they should made a statement about this since they want to push the 51515 . Of course the potential is there since the hardware is modern. But they must make that statement, I see no reason not to. It will only boost the sales of the 51515.
I so agree, but they have made a combination of vague statements via press releases, interviews, official descriptions, and more to confirm that 51515 is successor to ev3
I do like how quick the new controller boots up. When making modifications with the others, it seemed like it took forever to shut down and restart the system.
From your standpoint I agree with you, but from a robotics learning standpoint, I kindly disagree. I have been doing robotics with EV3 and NXT for the past 4 years and any day i would prefer the EV3 over the 51515 set. Here are a few reasons why: First, the new set does not provide any gears. This was a great disappointment to me because it is important to learn about gear ratios and the speed and torque for people interested in engineering. Secondly, although the EV3 screen may look like something from the 80's, it is actually preferred in my opinion. With this screen that can print out multiple lines, is very useful for datalogging different variables that change during the program. It is harder to do this with the new kit from what i can tell. Lastly, the EV3 has better third party support for multiple languages. Since it is a Linux computer, a variety of creative projects can be done with it. I program my EV3 in C using RobotC, and for now, only Scratch and Python are used for the 51515. However, this may change, as only the new kit has recently came out and more language support may be added later on.
I think even from a learning robotics standpoint the new system has a lot of advantages, like the internal 3 axis gyro I do see where you’re coming from. However, you shouldn’t be limited to the parts you get in the kit. One of my main reasons is powered up compatibility. Connect your mindstorms computer brick to literally any lego technic powered up motors! Plus, I like to use my lego Technic collection to make robots, so I get plenty of gears, gearbox parts, and much more with my pieces. 2) yes display is just a personal preference 3) the kit is indeed new and more programming language support will come our. Ev3 is SEVEN years old, and back when it first came out python wasn’t supported natively. But now it has plenty of third party support. When ev3 first came out it didn’t really have any third party support.
I'm sticking with the EV3 for now, but once 51515 has daisy-chaining enabled, I might be happy to make the switch. My main concern is being able to run downloaded programs independently of the PC/mobile, though, which all previous Mindstorms P-bricks could do. Can the Intelligent Hub do that? Given the display, I'd presume it has a similar interface for that to the RCX...
So if I'm using Lego mindstorms to build a foundation for an android of my own design, should i use the inventors kit because Blast has better mobility? What advantages does Everstorm have over Blast if I'm using one of them to make an android?
Lego education website has spike prime hub technical specifications. There it says that hub supports up to 4 Bluetooth low energy connections, which definitely points to a future software update
can any one help me in directing the way to control motors from laptop with or without ev3. I wish to control large set of sensors and motors from computer which are synchronous to each other. attaching them to different ev3 brick would not let me communicate with each other for information. As we have limitation of number of motors and sensors to a single ev3 brick. any direction would be helpful. And another reason is I wish to implement some AI and ML in my decision making via python. I feel EV3 bit has only limited cpu power and storage.
@@Unbrickme you should buy one off Amazon, I would recommend the LBLA S5 drone, maybe get extra batteries since they don’t last very long, but it’s overall a really good cheap drone. I recently got it and it works great.
@@Unbrickme no problem, it’s a really good price, I would definitely suggest getting extra batteries though. You could probably hook a pretty heavy LEGO set on it, but I’d stick with smaller sets until you get your high quality drone back. How did it break in the first place?
I don't know about anyone else, but at least one problem I have with LEGO's newer Mindstorms kits (not just this one, Boost too for example) is that they _require_ a mobile device. With the EV3 & NXT a mobile device was optional, but with their newer kits it's a must. Not everyone has a mobile device you know LEGO! (yes, _most_ people have one, but not everyone)
Actully the new system does NOT require a mobile device. You can use your macintosh or windows computer. I pretty much never program using my phone or tablet
@@Unbrickme Really? Could have sworn that LEGO required a mobile device for you to use both Boost & the Robot Inventor set (especially since "Mobile device is required but not included" is written on the Robot Inventor box).
My new system should arrive in the next day or two and I am very excited to get it. I already have the spike prime education set but it really isn't a great beginner set for kids because it assumes they have technic building skills. Many of the lessons require kids to realize they need to upgrade the design to make it work, and if they haven't built anything, they have no chance. This set looks like it will be far superior for kids getting into robotics and programming.
I like that the new hub and motors are smaller, and their shape seems more practical and you get four instead of three and that it boots up faster, but in all other aspects it just seems like a fairly substantial step back. First of all, EV3 just looks much better. Just white, gray and black. Much more edgy that way. Secondly, and unlike my previous unbiased objective assessment, this one comes down to personal preference, it seems like the building style that emerges from the forms of the components is very different across these sets. The 51515 does look more convenient, and it might allow for more efficient and elaborate technical designs, but one thing I always really enjoyed with the EV3 was the challenge it provided. Correct me if I'm wrong, but just at a glance, I think I could make a rileyrover type vehicle using the 51515 just by pinning two motors and whatever this set has instead of the universal ball wheel to the bottom of the hub. It would all just fit together in a neat little box. A box with wheels, challenge completed. With the EV3, you can not do that. There is no obvious way to fit the motors and the hub together, you have to use extra pieces if you want to make anything, and with that you get a greater level of variability. You can be extremely creative with the 51515 if you want, and if you know how, but with the EV3 you don't have the option not to be creative. Also I have been working with the EV3 for almost five years now, and I'm still finding out about new things it can do. Just about a week ago I found out that the EV3 infrared sensor can measure the direction from where the remote signal is coming from, which you can't use with 51515 because you don't get an infrared sensor. I also think that you get greater control with an independent gyro sensor rather than an inbuilt one. The old left to right application also felt more unique, the cable plug variables made it really dynamic in my opinion. Side note, you don't really need to use touch sensors to calibrate your motors, you can just set it up so the motor stalls in its furthest position, and detect the power spike. I guess the new system just feels kind of sterilized.
Saw your negative review of 51515 yesterday, and saw this today. Glad you see that 51515 is better :) As a noob, I'm still happier using boost, so i look forward to the day i get to understand the greatness of 51515 :)
The points aren’t bad, but from a robotics competition standpoint, I would still go with the ev3. And it’s not just me, the winners still use ev3s almost every time
Lego Education really made a mess with that naming. At least on their website, they now state the SPIKE Prime system to be for classes 5-8 and the EV3 Set to be for classes 9-12. But with that outdated monochrome display, it gives me really a headache whether this is "for real" or just a bad joke to make up for an explanation. But a great hint to install that into the Lego Tech builts. Wonder whether it is strong enough to power-up a helicopter to fly around with ;).
Cool as man. Thanks on the info. Fact the old stuff is Hervey. And great to know I can you's the Lego motors I got. Now 🙂👍👌 and that screen with digital words or stuff come up on the screen looks so cool and futuristic..👌..I'm so hopeing I can find some one. Who lives near me in Melbourne Australia. that has this nolidge an skill to help me. When I need to add this. Stuff into my big moc build. Pleas .let me know if U can help me any any way 👍🙂 first I need to get that controller mind storm new set. But hope to get asap.
Oh man, I'd never thought this would've happened with a completely new Mindstorms system being made after EV3. I thought EV3 would be the best one made and nothing would top it after RCX and NXT, but it actually did. Why am I saying this? I'm saying this from Illinois from a former First Lego League team called the St. Jude Firecrackers (that totally rocked it out there back in 2015-2017), and I'm kind of surprised of where Mindstorms has gotten us here today. I remember back in 2015 (I think it was?) that when we first made the FLL team, I totally dominated making code for our robot to complete missions in Trash Trek, Animal Allies, and Hydro Dynamics. We got multiple rookie and robot awards during this time years ago, and rocking it out there was good times. :) Our EV3 robot had served us well for three whole years of competition before we retired in our third year. And here we are, 6 to 7 years later in 2022, with this. Man, where does the time go? #FLL #FIRST #FirstLegoLeague
At first I thought I would hate the new system, after your review I love it its so cool and nice, EV3 looks like stone age tech compared to the newest one
Of course the new one will have better technology, but ev3 sure looks better. New mindstorms system really shocks me on how far they have come since the first rcx
I still don’t understand why People are obsessed with daisy chaining. Daisy chaining use wires. The wires take up space. With the new mindstorm inventor set you can Bluetooth the hubs to each other instead of connecting them with wires!!!!
I 100% agree with you, the new Mindstorms is easily the best version yet! When I find it’s one where you have to actually learn more about it and use it to really appreciate the upgrades. On the surface it may seem like a step back, but in use it just feels so much more evolved! The teal also looks super amazing, the motors are much better designed, it finally has Python, and it has a much larger and better selection of pieces.
Ev3 also had python, but the new system is fully compatible with powered up motors, unlike ev3. So you can finally code powered up with python. Glad you agree with me
@@Unbrickme For me at least it makes such a huge difference having Python included in the main software. The resources LEGO provides seem to be pretty good, and it hopefully means over the coming years there’ll be a lot more third party building/programming instructions that’ll use it too. Gotta admit Scratch is pretty good as well. Forgot to mention being able to stream programs/parts of programs, the programming software being identical no matter what platform you’re using, and the excellent UI for getting sensor/motor readings from the LEGO Hub. I still love my NXTs and EV3, but the Robot Inventor just feels like a massive upgrade!
Yeah streaming programs is awesome! Perhaps I should make “5 more reasons to why 51515 is better than ev3” and include the internal gyro, streaming programs, and more
@@Unbrickme Definitely! Love how the gyro and accelerometer are finally built in! Not to mention the fourth servo is super nice to have! The new robots are all pretty awesome, only built Charlie so far, but they're all much more animated than EV3 robots were and I just find them much more interesting.
I can see that your channel is fully filled with lego types of robotics. Can you do Arduino-type systems or maybe a raspberry pi adapted to the lego kits.
EV3 has the whole Linux op system onboard, dont need your phone, etc to evrn program it. Its self contain and the whole op system inboard, the new system does not and need your phone or pc just to program anything. Think the new interface is worse, you cannot program anything from the brick itself on save your programs.
you know that in ev3 programming on a computor is better. even though the spike/robot inventor don't have this feature they make up for it by having a faster loading time. but I still understand why you think ev3 is better. to me both have their advantages.
"Python is a really powerful language" No shit. I have used it to program real robots including path generation, flex correction and collision avoidance. Cycle time: 10ms.
My humanoid robot featured in this video is named "Beta Rex" Building instructions and program can be found in my latest video!
Hi.here before you Chanel blows up.
If I were you, I would not be under the illusion that the Lego Mindstorms 51515 set is better than sets LEGO MINDSTORMS EV3 Education 45544+45560.
But it does have plenty of advantages
5 Reasons: 1) Choice between Batteries and Accumulator 2) Cable not integrated with motors and sensors 3) Light color of beams 4) Compatible with electronic parts from older set 5) plastic track :)
Mat VanHaalal true but new system also has absolute positioning motors, powered up compatibility with technic sets (different from power functions compatibility on NXT and EV3 since power functions motors don’t have internal rotation sensors but powered up motors do). Internal 3 axis gyro and accelerometer, programmable and fully customizable remote control when streaming program (better than the one offered in NXT and EV3) and more! Both systems have their advantages
The EV3 is a full fledged computer.
I can run Debian on it (without modifing anything or breaking warranty, it's as easy as pluging in an sd card) and use any programming language what so ever: C, C++, Python, Java, etc.
I can run a web server on it and host a web application to control it from a smartphone or computer browser without installing any other software on them.
And it has a USB host port to which one can connect every sort of device (Wi-Fi dongles to connect to access points and the internet or host an access point, webcams to see what you are doing, flash drives, ethernet dongles, arduino boards, other older mindstorm bricks, etc).
One can even connect to the USB port a WeDo usb hub and use any Power Function device through it.
I understand your Reasons! Personally I just like the EV3 because it has more options with cables, screen, more sensors etc. But after watching this video I'm liking the 51515 more than first! Great!
I like how the EV3 is just standing there looking at this dude ruining his reputation 😂
Lol
I remember how happy I used to be when I used the NXT 2.0 software to make my face appear on the screen when I was a child
You know that the screen on the ev3 brick is a MONOCHROME LCD, right?
I agree on multible topics, like the formfactor, compatibitity and the load-cell-module and the absolute encoder motors are indeed amazing.
But:
My first thought was "Oh holy shit, I miss a real display!" The dot matrix the new system has, is just not having enough possibilities and functions. It´s more a playing feature than a usable function.
Losing Daisy-chaining is also a HUGE setback and will piss off many experienced Mindstorm fans.
And also the name gives me a headache: EV3 was a short and simple name. Let´s just call it EV4 ! ! !
a adapter exists on brick link to connect lego power functions and the 9 volt system to the ev3 or nxt. man also has a ev3 in the back ground
One problem that I've looked into and there's (from what I've found) really no way to extend the cable for larger builds. It was an easy fix with EV3/NXT because you had swappable cables, inventor just has the cables connected directly and you can't change em. Wish they included like an extension cable that would take the old cable and add more length to it but I'm not Lego so I can't change that.
Have thay made the cable longer sints you posted this mate. .hope Lego thinks about. What U have seed ..I remember Waching a vid 3 years back. And thay was sad. That the old stuff. Can not be hook up with. The new mind storm stuff. Cas it's all programmed now
I have a question if I buy a lego ev3 will it still be compatible with the sensors and motors of lego ev4? if i want to buy some in the future
Just when I needed these questions answered! Cheers!
thanks!
That is interesting, LED display panel with Bluetooth. It takes time when you try to create communication with sort of data in an open medium and high return rates, with this I think you can create many robots or remote devices in response to your plan. ( Before testing with codes or completing the design communication is one thing on the checklist and any of the comment I read below they talking about cable options or adaptive cords working with )
1) EV3, NXT, NXT 2.0 and RCX all had LCDs, new hub has led matrix display.
From my experience with NXT and EV3 its screen is absolutely fine for interfacing with a hub as well as debugging with on hardware feedback. It is also can be used for interfacing with a program in many ways (especially on EV3). While new display looks cool it can't be used for more precise debugging such as identifying precise error causing readings.
2) Absolute encoding is nice but you can deal with lack of it using consistent start position or limit check where possible.
3) Attached proprietary connectors are a bad ide in terms of design flexibility as well as making it harder to manufacture third party sensors and modules.
The Screen is so underrated, this LED Matrix is a tremendous downgrade!
@@meganton9417True. I use the ev3 and I hate the new LEGO 515151 screen, I was using the LEGO spike prime and i hate it because of this LED screen.
The powered up capability is why I love the new MINDSTORMS. My last MOC was a robot inventor/control+ hybrid thanks to this.
These are all great points, especially point #2, the absolute positioning motors are great and incredibly accurate. I did an experiment, doing 100 rotations of a motor and it always returned to the 0 position when commanded.
I think you left out a MAJOR improvement though, the onboard accelerometer and gyros on the new Hub. This is a MASSIVE improvement and frees up art least one sensor port on those EV3 designs that use a gyro and this gyro and accelerometer is MUCH better than the EV3 gyro sensor.
I also like the lightweight and size of the new hub, it is almost shocking how light and small it is.
I also like the software that comes with the 51515 set much better and since I have been working with micro-python on various micro-controllers since nearly the beginning of micro-python I LOVE the micro-python implementation on the hub. In fact the HUB is based on the STM32F413 microcontroller which has excellent micro-python support.
I do like the screen on the EV3 a bit better, I am not a fan of the 5X5 LED display. I would have rather have had a small, color touch screen LCD.
Right now though, I still like the EV3 a tiny bit better. With more time using it, and updates from Lego and the community the new hub will probably surpass it in my mind.
Thanks! Yes i definitely forgot to talk about the internal gyro! I'm thinking of making another "5 more reasons why 51515 is better than ev3" video and thats where ill talk about the internal gyro and the internal accelerometer
I began working on a huge project, big robot and also very complicated, but that was 1 year ago and I bought EV3 because it was much cheaper then when it was released and the new system wasn't even out. I encoutered the problem of not having enough EV3 motors and power functions motors that I wanted to use somehow, and I found a video from technic robot on how to modify a cable to be able to connect not 1 power functions motor, but 2 to 1 port, each one moving just in one direction, but I used 2 of them as periodic function changers, and combined with other systems I could get 11 functions out of a single Ev3 brick, using a total of 8 motors, and they will change pretty fast, put in a way that more of them will be free to move at the same time, so really the amount of ports you have is not a limitation if you have some creativity. It will also have 4 sensors, and each of them will calibrate and feel more functions, again, no need for the new motors, and yes, the EV3 motors and brick are very large, but if you are a good builder this shouldn't be a problem. For my project I had to rebuild many parts many times to fit all the stuff and not be too large, but in the end, if you have a limited budget, plenty of pieces and old motors laying around, like many lego fans, EV3 is still very much worth it. Plus the blocks programming is very intuitive. Nice video btw.
Glad to hear that! If you are a huge technic fan, trust me, you would much rather work with powered up motors than the bulky ones
Yeah well, don't have the money :))) now I'm only buying part if I need them for my robot, but other than that, I have all I need. And after I'm done building it, I'll spend a lot of time programming it, so I won't be building other things for a while.
3:05 THE KING IS REBORN!!!
I have free instructions and program for the robot on my channel
Personally : I like the EV3 (or the NXT for that matter) over the 51515. For one : When developing I like to monitor several variable-values. Whether that's on a monochrome or color-LCD screen : I don't care. But this "monitoring" is a lot harder with the "tetris-style" screen.
You "rant" about the EV3 not having a color-screen.... the 515151 doesn't either, though... it's not even a real screen, in my opinion.
Also, I'm not a great fan of python per sé. And The EV3 was, in the later stages, also programmable in Python although I have a feeling that there were two versions of this Python from different sources. I had it installed from the lego-website but when trying examples I discovered this.
Personally I much rather work in RobotC. For me, Python is not better readable that any other programming-language I've worked with
NXT was programmable in NXC. In my opinion the best IDE I worked with for mindstorms. However, NXT only had large motors.
The EV3 has Medium-motors available, so that, for me, is not an arguement to choose 51515 over EV3
About the touch-sensors to "synchronize": I used to start from a known position (for example : All the way down or whatever. then keep track of motor-movement from there.
However, this absolute positioning in 51515 can be a great advantage. Also the touch-sensor has "evolved" into a force-sensor. That's a nice development.
One of the main-features for advanced devolopers was the possiblity to daisy-chain multiple EV3's (up to 4, I believe). So, In that regard it's a step back.
You have many great points. And I completely agree with you that NXT is king! I loved NXC myself too! Although, EV3 was never compatible with power functions (you could connect with cables and converters but no rotation sensor feedback) new system is a major advancement in terms of this. You can finally code lego Technic sets with python. That’s pretty insane. As for monitoring the variables, I understand where you’re coming from, since I do a lot of such coding on the new system myself. The software actually lets you really easily monitor all the variables from the computer itself. Plus the new screen is much larger and it’s very bright. New one looks pretty great too in the dark! Yes, EV3 did have medium motor available, but it was still much larger than the powered up motors offered and you still had to use the absurdly large hub.
@@Unbrickme true, the 51515 hub is way smaller. That's a great advantage, I agree. From other comments I understand that daisychaining will be possible. Perhaps I will get into it.. after all, you can't love what you don't know, right?
I wasn’t going to buy this MINDSTORMS system, but I ended up getting the 51515 plus the LEGO
Education Prime and Expansion sets. I have 2 of the EV3 Education Core sets and 4 Expansion sets along with the 31313 set. I also own the Rcx 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 sets and a couple of the NXT sets.
I only own the rcx 2.0, I really gotta get the 1.0 and 1.5
I still prefer the ev3 way more
EV3 is still king. Please do a video why ev3 is king.
I can only think of a small handful of reasons. 1) more third party support, 2) sd card expansion, and that’s pretty much it.
@@Unbrickme 3) Usb support 4) NXT support 5) you can upload a picture on the EV3 display. Example your face, or just any picture.
that's 5 reasonable reasons
Both systems have their advantages
@@Unbrickme 6) you can build a retro gaming console (pong, packman, snake etc.) with the 'high res' display and the many buttons that just the brick has.
You cannot do that with a 5x5 matrix, which makes half of my creations impossible with the new set.
I really hope for a better display and a camera module for the mindstorms v5. This v4 is still one big disapointment for me.
Display and color sensor are, what improved from v1 to v2 and from v2 to v3. I really had high hopes the same would be true for the v3 to v4 upgrade.
At least the motor followed the usual trend (it always upgraded in strength and precision from v1 over v2, v3 and now v4, with the absolute positioning).
Most of the advantages stated are not related to the EV3 brick, but to the motors. Lego could have updated the hardware in the EV3 brick, made it smaller and offers new/alternative motors. To bring all advantages to the EV3 system, but they preferred to break the compatibility to start a new ecosystem. Breaking what is so awesome about Lego (keeping the compatibility for 50 years).
It's easy for a guy wearing an Apple shirt to ditch on Linux 😜.
They didn’t necessarily start a new ecosystem, powered up has already been established for a good while now. I’m honestly just glad that everything modern lego is compatible with each other. We haven’t had this since like the 9v system. Remember we had power functions cables and mindstorms cables which weren’t really compatible
Updating the brick and making everything smaller is literally what they did. The Ev3 cables for the motors sucked anyway so I don’t miss those either
Any new information on daisy-chaining the hubs yet? I am planning on purchasing two Robot Inventor kits to build a large robot for guarding my bedroom soon, and I am searching all over the internet for tips and tricks on how I can synchronize its functions.
My friend and I are working on a daisy chaining method using custom powered up cables. I will make a video about it in about 2 weeks
Awesome, Thanks! I am definitely looking forward to it.
I just discovered your channel today, and already watched dozens of your videos 😄 They really inspire me to make videos again! I've always felt like the social dimension was lacking in Lego Technic videos, people often getting shy in front of the camera perhaps ;) Nice to see a face!
Dude thank you very very much! I’m a huge fan of your channel by the way!
If you still like ev3, get them while you can, the parts and sets are still available from the lego education site!
I like the ev3 mindstorms sets because that's the first set I've used in robotics
I don’t personally think the motor variety is a big advantage. With ev3 you had the large motor and the medium motor. A high torque drive motor and a small profile lower torque motor.
Leo Grant yeah but those are still much bigger than PU motors
Thinking of grabbing one but what if cables will die? How to replace them? Or is will be possible to get replacement parts separately?
I allready have lego boost and I was wondering if the boos motor is compatible cuz it has the same type wire.
Why not combine both systems?
Plus you can use Raspberry PI computer with Build Hat as your controller and allow integration of WiFi, Camera, big HD video displays up to 4k, music/speech and a large array of sensors, GPS and other widgets you just can't find in Lego.
I participated in a wro junior competition in 2024.
I used ev3 and I also thought that ev3 is king but I had so many problems with the color sensor, the color sensor was not reading properly it felt like the color sensor was just guessing what color it was seeing, when the robot was line following we told the robot to stop line following when it saw green but it didn't see it as green it saw it as blue, we eventually changed the stopping color to blue and green,but before we changed it literaly line followed on the green and stopped when it saw it again(I used one sensor for following, and anothor sensor for stopping)
it even saw grey as black.
2) the gyro sensor, the ev3 gyro sensor SUCKS
it drifts so much and sometimes it starts counting to infinety even though the robot is still,
this completely ruined the gyro turning alg that I use
it tells the robot to keep turning until(assuming the angle is positive) the robot reches the desired angle or an angle greater than it, if the angle is greater than the desired angle move very slowly to reach the desired angle when the gyro sensor starts counting to infinety
it keeps turning counterclockwise forever
3)motors
not only is it really hard to measure degrees acurately using the ev3 motor encoders and they always don't move the amount of degrees you tell them to we tinkered with the degree value for hours and it still didn't work
note that these are the problems that my team and some other teams faced.
but there was one team
that i could watch training that used spike prime, their robot's performance was astounding, their robot made almost no mistakes, andwhen I asked teams that used spike they told me they had no problem what so ever with the color sensor
and as far as I know the motors are more precise
and the gyro is way better
so this changed my position and now I think that spike is king.
note that the ev3 i used wasn't mine.
I decide to by spike lrime as my robotics system due to the reasons said before and one more reason spikes ports are input and output which means you can have six motors whkch is more than four on the ev3 and most builds require more motors than sensors as far as I know and more motors=more versatility also can anyone tell me what is the cheapest lego te hnic set with a gearbox the contains driving rings and tell how is your situation with ev3 ks it similar to mine or not
note: that I know most of the ev3 problems can be fixed for an example you can use a less acurate non-gyro turn and then make ur robot bump into a wall to stabalize itself but why pick the more complex soultion when if u use spike these problems are already solved so why spend time on solving them(this only applies if u don't have any kit) but if u have ev3 there is no need to upgrade to spike as these problems can be solved but I don't have an ev3 or a spike so I picked spike plus I find solving these problems with the ev3 really boring so I prefer spike, this does NOT mean it is better, this means it is better for ME
spike still has many disadvantages that may make the ev3 better for you but I think that these advantages I mentioned make up for any disadvantage that spike has
is this correct that the new system can connect to less motors/ sensors that the previous one? if that is true that is a game change downside in my opinion. please answer thanks
its a game changer because the ports are input/output. previously you could only have 4 motors and 4 sensors but with the new system you get 6 motors or 6 sensors or a combination like 5 motors and 1 sensor
also actually yes you can connect standard technic powered up motors to the 51515 hub the plug is identical
The ev3 mindstorm can connect to the next so it both can be compatible with each other for more customization
Great I have the set also. Ev3 can do python also. I like the Ev3 display where you can upload images. If there's more pieces with the new mindstorms set just get the education set plus the expansion set. If you were to get spike prime + expansion set it would be more extensive than the Ev3 combination.
I should’ve maybe stated it clearer, but I never said it wasn’t possible to code the ev3 with python, I said it’s finally possible to code the powered up system with python
@@Unbrickme True i don't think I even care about bulky motors. Its just tech back then. When you say the new mindstorms kit pieces are better no I personally think the Ev3 educational kit + expansion set can make a hugh difference. I created like 50 technic models from that set. That said the old Ev3 expansion set also has a differential and a you can still make cool supention from that. The expansion set and the educational set can be replaced with 31313 and still make all the models.
Well, I was never comparing it to the education version, I compared it to the 31313. That has only 606 parts but that new kit has 949 pieces. These new pieces are also updated, so you get a much greater selection of newer technic parts
@@Unbrickme 31313 is technically discontinued. So let's make it 45444 and 45560.
@@Unbrickme Haha you wanted to make as many people as possible think that the New system is so much better, for things that the ev3 can do, which is 7 years older 😂😂
EV3 is still a king to this day but wouldn’t it will be confusing which program are you choosing on spike prime AKA robot inventor
Very helpful... thanks!
Hi, @Unbrickme . I have a question: is it possible to use real clock time (eg 20:21) hh:mm in the script code on the new hub? I need to trigger functions based on the actual time of the day, and the code should run continuously for my automation project.
I dont have lego Mindstorms yet amd need to determine if it has the capability which i need.
Ok I get it's better but seriously, how is the simple and informative display better than the couple of LEDs inside the new hub? Only reason I can think it's better is that you can animate it to represent a face of the robot, but other than that it's much worse to use. But I guess the app replaces the screen nowadays.
Ev3 best 👌
That light blue technic baseplate looks like it could be useful for Mocs
oh yeah its absolutely epic!
Thanks bro I bought a r I kit and I'm today I'm looking to get ev3 in the future I have like 8 kits plus prime kits too at university, the reason I want ev3 Is I'm a fan and the cables are unpluggable and not hardwired into the motor n sensor but either way I'm happy I'll have both at the end of the day
Thanks so much! I love your quality content, and I cannot wait to see your channel grow more! 😁
Thanks!
Hey,
where I can get news for the new mindstorms set?
Like when daisy chaining is available or something like that?
Didn't find anything on the web :(
That it doesn't have a screen is terrible
Great video! Quick question about the ultrasonic sensor in 51515. I just built Tricky, and the Ultrasonic sensor seems a little sketchy. Most of the time, it measures correctly when things are close, but then I see momentary readings where it says something is 200cm when it’s definitely not 200cm away. Also, anything over 150cm distance registers 200cm (e.g., if something it’s 152cm away, the sensor says it’s 200cm away). I did this test on a flat wall with the sensor pointed perpendicular to it. Did you have same issues?
Do you think it's worth it to get the Spike Prime Expansion set to use with 51515? Also, how do you know there's going to be daisy-chaining in the future.
Thanks!
I don’t have that issue. I believe daisy chaining is coming via software update. Hub supports up to 4 Bluetooth low energy connections
I would say 51515 is better for me because of the 3 major flaws of EV3: 1. NXT-like brick size difficult to integrate in compact design. 2. Giant motors with inbuilt transmission, that's completely "anti-Lego" and even more so makes compact design difficult. 3. Running Linux kernel on the brick. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's a good idea, it's a over-engineered waste of battery, startup time and program execution efficiency (why a multitasking OS here??). 51515 fixes these 3 issues, though that's not good enough for me to say bye bye to my NXT (or ev3 if I had one).
I would say both EV3 and 51515 are a disappointment, not because they are bad, they are both brilliant, but because of adding nothing essential over NXT (2006). For me the real benefit of using NXT over RCX is Bluetooth+Python (via nxt-python) + ultrasonic distance sensor, the rest and what came after added mostly unnecessary stuff. For advanced robots simply attach a smartphone to the robot, and run the Python program, including vision processing on the smartphone, controlling the robot over Bluetooth or Wifi. This way the LEGO group could make smartphone integration with Deep Learning and reasoning capability easy for children, so that they can get to experience the benefits of successful AI tech that resulted from the 2 major AI waves. Robots that learn, and exhibit much more complex and interesting behaviors, easy to set up and play with by children (not just grad. students like me), that's what I would consider a real improvement of the toy! :)
The new system is great, but the hub has _so little storage._ You can have a maximum of about 5 or 6 small scripts in the hub per program.
It has double the storage of EV3 internal storage, only problem is there’s no SD card expansion on the new system
Use the ev3 touchsenssor for opening door with motors
Any news regarding the daisy chain? Thanks for the info
No official daisy chaining support yet. I’ve heard it is possible to daisy chain them with work arounds and exploits, using python
Unbrickme I’m new to this and still and I’m still between this and EV3. Been a beginner I don’t mind not having the daisy chaining yet but I do wondering what lead the lego people to leave such an important feature out. From what I’ve seen it’s very crucial for the competitions. To my eyes the 51515 isn’t a direct successor to EV3 so a conspiracy of mine is that maybe they are going to release another mor feature proof version sometime soon? Lol
Most fans have had this idea, that this set isn’t actually a successor to the ev3, but I can confirm, they won’t release another version. LEGO is marketing this as a direct success to the ev3. Plus, it doesn’t lack enough features to make it not a successor to the ev3. The only thing that’s missing now is daisy chaining, every other function can be replicated. The new hub does support up to four Bluetooth low energy connections so it communicate with four different hubs. This might mean that there are four in total, or one main hub, with four being slave hubs, so 5 hubs total. Because the hubs can actually communicate with each other via Bluetooth, I have no doubt that daisy chaining will be implemented in the future via software update.
Unbrickme at least they should made a statement about this since they want to push the 51515 . Of course the potential is there since the hardware is modern. But they must make that statement, I see no reason not to. It will only boost the sales of the 51515.
I so agree, but they have made a combination of vague statements via press releases, interviews, official descriptions, and more to confirm that 51515 is successor to ev3
I want to voice control this new one. Was possible with the old one though...
The main disadvantage the led display has over the lcd ones, is that you can’t see the names of your programs. You have to remember them by a number.
You’re right, but the ev3 and nxt actually used matrix screens, not lcd.
I do like how quick the new controller boots up. When making modifications with the others, it seemed like it took forever to shut down and restart the system.
Yeah I really didn’t like that the ev3 took so long to power on
@@Unbrickme The EV3's screen is a monochrome LCD. And so with the NXT .
I'm aware I might come off as an old geezer screaming about RCX, but that system had more or less full compatibility with the old 9V motor system.
From your standpoint I agree with you, but from a robotics learning standpoint, I kindly disagree. I have been doing robotics with EV3 and NXT for the past 4 years and any day i would prefer the EV3 over the 51515 set. Here are a few reasons why:
First, the new set does not provide any gears. This was a great disappointment to me because it is important to learn about gear ratios and the speed and torque for people interested in engineering.
Secondly, although the EV3 screen may look like something from the 80's, it is actually preferred in my opinion. With this screen that can print out multiple lines, is very useful for datalogging different variables that change during the program. It is harder to do this with the new kit from what i can tell.
Lastly, the EV3 has better third party support for multiple languages. Since it is a Linux computer, a variety of creative projects can be done with it. I program my EV3 in C using RobotC, and for now, only Scratch and Python are used for the 51515. However, this may change, as only the new kit has recently came out and more language support may be added later on.
I think even from a learning robotics standpoint the new system has a lot of advantages, like the internal 3 axis gyro
I do see where you’re coming from. However, you shouldn’t be limited to the parts you get in the kit. One of my main reasons is powered up compatibility. Connect your mindstorms computer brick to literally any lego technic powered up motors! Plus, I like to use my lego Technic collection to make robots, so I get plenty of gears, gearbox parts, and much more with my pieces. 2) yes display is just a personal preference 3) the kit is indeed new and more programming language support will come our. Ev3 is SEVEN years old, and back when it first came out python wasn’t supported natively. But now it has plenty of third party support. When ev3 first came out it didn’t really have any third party support.
I'm sticking with the EV3 for now, but once 51515 has daisy-chaining enabled, I might be happy to make the switch. My main concern is being able to run downloaded programs independently of the PC/mobile, though, which all previous Mindstorms P-bricks could do. Can the Intelligent Hub do that? Given the display, I'd presume it has a similar interface for that to the RCX...
Yes, it can store up to 10 programs at once, plus stream anything else.
Daisy chaining has returned
@@DoneDannaDoneGroup Wait, really? They finally brought it back?
Never really been into mindstorms but I suppose I’ll watch this
Thanks
are there some lego technic builds (MOD/MOC) combined with spike prime?
Of course! Check this out! th-cam.com/video/UD6skiXjsGc/w-d-xo.html
So if I'm using Lego mindstorms to build a foundation for an android of my own design, should i use the inventors kit because Blast has better mobility? What advantages does Everstorm have over Blast if I'm using one of them to make an android?
where did you get the information from, about the future plans to make hubs linkable?
Lego education website has spike prime hub technical specifications. There it says that hub supports up to 4 Bluetooth low energy connections, which definitely points to a future software update
can any one help me in directing the way to control motors from laptop with or without ev3. I wish to control large set of sensors and motors from computer which are synchronous to each other. attaching them to different ev3 brick would not let me communicate with each other for information. As we have limitation of number of motors and sensors to a single ev3 brick. any direction would be helpful. And another reason is I wish to implement some AI and ML in my decision making via python. I feel EV3 bit has only limited cpu power and storage.
Recommend LeJOS. See here: www.xzistor.com/build-your-own-ai-lab/
Can the bricklego mindstorm learn new things
I suppose, although for machine learning you’d need more memory than 16mb
Off topic, but has your drone been fixed yet? The flying LEGO and maybe some just aerial footage would be nice
It still hasn’t been fixed unfortunately. I was really hoping they’d fix it by October 30 so that I could make baby yoda fly!
@@Unbrickme you should buy one off Amazon, I would recommend the LBLA S5 drone, maybe get extra batteries since they don’t last very long, but it’s overall a really good cheap drone. I recently got it and it works great.
Wow looks big enough to be able to lift some heavy lego sets! Thanks for the suggestion!
@@Unbrickme no problem, it’s a really good price, I would definitely suggest getting extra batteries though. You could probably hook a pretty heavy LEGO set on it, but I’d stick with smaller sets until you get your high quality drone back. How did it break in the first place?
I like the latest version of mindstrom and my mom just bought it for me
Nice!
Wonderfully presented, thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much!
@@Unbrickme wanna collaborate on a project? We couldn't find an email on your profile - feel free to email us if you're keen :)
Creator Academy Australia Yes I would love to collaborate on a project! I will send you an email right now!
I just sent you an email, please let me know if you got it
@@Unbrickme got it! Talk soon!
I don't know about anyone else, but at least one problem I have with LEGO's newer Mindstorms kits (not just this one, Boost too for example) is that they _require_ a mobile device. With the EV3 & NXT a mobile device was optional, but with their newer kits it's a must. Not everyone has a mobile device you know LEGO! (yes, _most_ people have one, but not everyone)
Actully the new system does NOT require a mobile device. You can use your macintosh or windows computer. I pretty much never program using my phone or tablet
@@Unbrickme Really? Could have sworn that LEGO required a mobile device for you to use both Boost & the Robot Inventor set (especially since "Mobile device is required but not included" is written on the Robot Inventor box).
Is the new mindstorm system is as technical as ev3 or not? Ev3 has so much possibilities but the new one seems easier and for 9-16 y/o kids
I’d say it’s about as technical as ev3
Unbrickme wow good!
RCX is king because it was the first one and if that was not created, then they wouldn’t improve it for the systems to create the others
Is the Spike Prime in any way compatible with the Ev3?
Only if third parties make a converter cable
Bro, I just bought the EV3 - I think it’s king, but I’ll maybe try out the new 51515.
My new system should arrive in the next day or two and I am very excited to get it. I already have the spike prime education set but it really isn't a great beginner set for kids because it assumes they have technic building skills. Many of the lessons require kids to realize they need to upgrade the design to make it work, and if they haven't built anything, they have no chance. This set looks like it will be far superior for kids getting into robotics and programming.
Ok i thought about that and its not as bad as I thought. Maybe I will even get it!
Awesome!
I like that the new hub and motors are smaller, and their shape seems more practical and you get four instead of three and that it boots up faster, but in all other aspects it just seems like a fairly substantial step back. First of all, EV3 just looks much better. Just white, gray and black. Much more edgy that way. Secondly, and unlike my previous unbiased objective assessment, this one comes down to personal preference, it seems like the building style that emerges from the forms of the components is very different across these sets. The 51515 does look more convenient, and it might allow for more efficient and elaborate technical designs, but one thing I always really enjoyed with the EV3 was the challenge it provided. Correct me if I'm wrong, but just at a glance, I think I could make a rileyrover type vehicle using the 51515 just by pinning two motors and whatever this set has instead of the universal ball wheel to the bottom of the hub. It would all just fit together in a neat little box. A box with wheels, challenge completed. With the EV3, you can not do that. There is no obvious way to fit the motors and the hub together, you have to use extra pieces if you want to make anything, and with that you get a greater level of variability. You can be extremely creative with the 51515 if you want, and if you know how, but with the EV3 you don't have the option not to be creative.
Also I have been working with the EV3 for almost five years now, and I'm still finding out about new things it can do. Just about a week ago I found out that the EV3 infrared sensor can measure the direction from where the remote signal is coming from, which you can't use with 51515 because you don't get an infrared sensor. I also think that you get greater control with an independent gyro sensor rather than an inbuilt one.
The old left to right application also felt more unique, the cable plug variables made it really dynamic in my opinion.
Side note, you don't really need to use touch sensors to calibrate your motors, you can just set it up so the motor stalls in its furthest position, and detect the power spike.
I guess the new system just feels kind of sterilized.
Saw your negative review of 51515 yesterday, and saw this today. Glad you see that 51515 is better :) As a noob, I'm still happier using boost, so i look forward to the day i get to understand the greatness of 51515 :)
I completely agree!
Thanks!
The points aren’t bad, but from a robotics competition standpoint, I would still go with the ev3.
And it’s not just me, the winners still use ev3s almost every time
I'm getting the set as soon as I can😄😄😄
Lego Education really made a mess with that naming. At least on their website, they now state the SPIKE Prime system to be for classes 5-8 and the EV3 Set to be for classes 9-12. But with that outdated monochrome display, it gives me really a headache whether this is "for real" or just a bad joke to make up for an explanation.
But a great hint to install that into the Lego Tech builts. Wonder whether it is strong enough to power-up a helicopter to fly around with ;).
Cool as man. Thanks on the info. Fact the old stuff is Hervey. And great to know I can you's the Lego motors I got. Now 🙂👍👌 and that screen with digital words or stuff come up on the screen looks so cool and futuristic..👌..I'm so hopeing I can find some one. Who lives near me in Melbourne Australia. that has this nolidge an skill to help me. When I need to add this. Stuff into my big moc build. Pleas .let me know if U can help me any any way 👍🙂 first I need to get that controller mind storm new set. But hope to get asap.
こう思うと、EV4がEV3をしっかりと改良しているのがわかりますね。
That version looks like the new spike prime lego 45678
Dangit now I really want the new Spike Prime (I've never had any mind storms and only ever seen one IRL once) but it's $350!?!
Oh man, I'd never thought this would've happened with a completely new Mindstorms system being made after EV3. I thought EV3 would be the best one made and nothing would top it after RCX and NXT, but it actually did.
Why am I saying this? I'm saying this from Illinois from a former First Lego League team called the St. Jude Firecrackers (that totally rocked it out there back in 2015-2017), and I'm kind of surprised of where Mindstorms has gotten us here today.
I remember back in 2015 (I think it was?) that when we first made the FLL team, I totally dominated making code for our robot to complete missions in Trash Trek, Animal Allies, and Hydro Dynamics. We got multiple rookie and robot awards during this time years ago, and rocking it out there was good times. :) Our EV3 robot had served us well for three whole years of competition before we retired in our third year. And here we are, 6 to 7 years later in 2022, with this.
Man, where does the time go? #FLL #FIRST #FirstLegoLeague
At first I thought I would hate the new system, after your review I love it its so cool and nice, EV3 looks like stone age tech compared to the newest one
Glad you agree! Will you get the new system?
@@Unbrickme unfortunately not. I am saving up for other lego themes
I agree with you, Even for FLL, I think this will be a superior system
Hahaha, he manipulated you 😂😂
@@jonashediger182 no, changed my opinion
EV3 has much better resolution on it's display though, and runs lcd, which uses less power.
Man saying “51515” is awkward. I can’t believe Lego thought they ran out of 3 letter combinations.
I vote for 51515!i never had EV3, but i tried it.
Of course the new one will have better technology, but ev3 sure looks better. New mindstorms system really shocks me on how far they have come since the first rcx
I still don’t understand why People are obsessed with daisy chaining. Daisy chaining use wires. The wires take up space. With the new mindstorm inventor set you can Bluetooth the hubs to each other instead of connecting them with wires!!!!
I cant go with the screen argument - way more informstion on the ev3 than the new one.
i was ... suprised i always were thinking that NXT was better since EV3 had less new MUST HAVE FEATURES
I still love EV3 ♥️ ♥️ ♥️ ♥️♥️ ♥️♥️ ♥️♥️ ♥️
I 100% agree with you, the new Mindstorms is easily the best version yet! When I find it’s one where you have to actually learn more about it and use it to really appreciate the upgrades. On the surface it may seem like a step back, but in use it just feels so much more evolved! The teal also looks super amazing, the motors are much better designed, it finally has Python, and it has a much larger and better selection of pieces.
Ev3 also had python, but the new system is fully compatible with powered up motors, unlike ev3. So you can finally code powered up with python. Glad you agree with me
@@Unbrickme For me at least it makes such a huge difference having Python included in the main software. The resources LEGO provides seem to be pretty good, and it hopefully means over the coming years there’ll be a lot more third party building/programming instructions that’ll use it too. Gotta admit Scratch is pretty good as well.
Forgot to mention being able to stream programs/parts of programs, the programming software being identical no matter what platform you’re using, and the excellent UI for getting sensor/motor readings from the LEGO Hub. I still love my NXTs and EV3, but the Robot Inventor just feels like a massive upgrade!
Yeah streaming programs is awesome! Perhaps I should make “5 more reasons to why 51515 is better than ev3” and include the internal gyro, streaming programs, and more
@@Unbrickme Definitely! Love how the gyro and accelerometer are finally built in! Not to mention the fourth servo is super nice to have! The new robots are all pretty awesome, only built Charlie so far, but they're all much more animated than EV3 robots were and I just find them much more interesting.
I can see that your channel is fully filled with lego types of robotics. Can you do Arduino-type systems or maybe a raspberry pi adapted to the lego kits.
Absolute positioning system... do you mean the use of stepper motors like being used in the first Lego robotic system "Cybermaster" released 1998 ?
EV3 has the whole Linux op system onboard, dont need your phone, etc to evrn program it. Its self contain and the whole op system inboard, the new system does not and need your phone or pc just to program anything. Think the new interface is worse, you cannot program anything from the brick itself on save your programs.
you know that in ev3 programming on a computor is better.
even though the spike/robot inventor
don't have this feature they make up for it by having a faster loading time.
but I still understand why you think ev3 is better.
to me both have their advantages.
EV3 is way better than robot inventor
I disagree
@@Unbrickme Yeah better robots, No Ev3 has way better robots. Such as gyro boy and stair climber.
@@normanlam2059 I mean, you can remake all those robots with the new system
@@Unbrickme No gear rack
Ev3 provoded so many sensors such as infread sensor amd the remote for rc capaplies
"Python is a really powerful language"
No shit. I have used it to program real robots including path generation, flex correction and collision avoidance. Cycle time: 10ms.
Have u a review of 31313? Thx if u respond!
I don’t have a review of that
@@Unbrickme thx
I like ev3 ir sensor
Ok but.. look at the EV3 sensor - it looks awesome compared to Spike