True. There's also another type of "bad drive" self taught artists often fall into: They try to make every single one of their drawings a finished piece, just so they could show off and brag. Enjoying yourself is good, but at least half the time should be spent studying and exploring.
Been on a little nostalgia trip and rewatching youtubers I used to watch from 2016-2019. I'm really surprised that you're still uploading! Been a fan of your content ever since I watched your "F@ck SCHOOL" video. Gotta say,thanks for entertaining me throughout my teen years. Also,great video with great advice!
Great video, Koth! Always neat to see what your thoughts are when it comes to art ^_^ Definitely an interesting and insightful topic that helps shed some insight into the minds of certain artistic types :P Having the time-lapse of you painting for the backdrop was a nice touch too, I'd like to see more stuff like that in the future.
Dr. K said comparing has upwards and downwards comparing. If you upwards compare a lot then you feel like you are a failure. If you downwards compare a lot then you feel like you are plenty good. Both at the detriment of improvement.
I've heard and been told some of these tips before, but it's so helpful to have it explained in different ways. Nice artwork too btw, really like the colors.
Thank you very much, I used to be an artist but after years of that spark dying due to just a combo of shit teachings, bad advice, fundamental drag and burnout it killed my love for art itself. I struggle cause I'm not intuitive and I can't learn online well at all so their has always been a disconnect between my analytical and creative side. Seeing this video helps give me some hope
A more-or-less spot-on explanation of the "expert's blind spot". When you know a process so well you don't have to think about _how_ you do it in order to accomplish the task, it becomes difficult to explain that process to the uninitiated since you'll tend to leave out a lot of stuff that you don't have to think about, but the other person does not know. Over time I've come to express the above by saying _"Knowing a subject and knowing how to _*_teach_*_ it are two very different things"_ Any time I try to show someone how to do something, I try to keep that in mind, recalling the stuff I went through when I was learning it moreso than how I do it in the present.
That was very interesting. I would like to hear your self critique on the drawing you did, where you did well/not as good as you had in mind, what you might've learned while making the drawing, what you want to try in future drawings.
Ah, remembering all the weird online brain attitudes people had on deviantart. Brings me back to 2004. It was amusing going into college and basically learning all the essential tools and practices some deviantbrain would think to be cheating.
As a casual but analytical music creator, it's hard to feel like I'm being "creative" when I'm basically using theory and what would sound the best mathematically for every composition, so it's nice to hear it happens in the art community as well. I'm jealous of the people that can just intuit things lol.
I love hearing that artists are on a spectrum of intuitive/technical application, like artists on the technical side are able to understand /why/ something they did worked and replicate it everytime, while intuitive artists can go into something on intuition but aren't able to explain it/ replicate it everytime (i'm a bit more on the intu.side, but i found as i've gotten better, i'm able to breakdown/understand/explain and therefore replicate what i've done a bit better.) Also i think what people get wrong with comparing is they're comparing their /person/ to other artists, instead of their artwork. Instead of "Wow, this person's art is so much better than mine" actually breakdown /why and what/ Like "this person's shading is better than mine because it actually follows the way light acts on form in real life" Compare work, not skill, other people have made breakthroughs you havent through semi-random events, and you have made breakthroughs othe rpeople havent through semi-random events.
I continue to be blown away by artists, I am a very technical person, and things like mechanics make a lot of sense to me. but there is something about drawing thats so free hand and hard for me to comprehend how they can be so consistent. hopefully this comment makes ghramatical sense cuz I only got a few hrs of sleep
Art can be very technical and mathematical as well. Using a perspective grid to figure out the drawing's layout is just math, for example. Another one is using Lambert's emission law to help figure out how to shade.
I'm an analytical artist. I have like no intuition however I work with an intuitive one on an animated pilot. He often tells me to just do stuff and not think and I'm telling him we need to follow the rules / proper production procedures. 😂
I feel like the hatred of AI tools is less about the tools themselves and more about how they are being used. AI tools have existed for years but only recently have large companies started just straight up stealing art to train their models. I think thats the major issue.
What about that makes it theft though? Anyone can save any image they find online without paying the artist and it doesn't deprive the artist of their work. I don't think it suddenly becomes theft if someone does that for the purpose of training an ai. At least not anymore a theft then using saving someone elses art to use as a reference would be while learning how to draw. Maybe its not a totally honorable thing to do, but its not criminal or immoral either and people have been doing it for centuries. Nah the real concern with Ai is that it will take jobs away from people, but were all a bit screwed there aren't we. Technology always deprives someone of a job, but things tend to work out better in the long run. Ideally the end goal would be ai and robots do everything so humanity can finally rest and any work we do would be for our own benefit, not our bosses. Probably won't out that way because people are evil and greedy, but thats the goal.
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814As far as I know. The thing about neural nets is that when they're trained for a given output, the neurons in the net literally contain the average of a given output type. So your art doesn't just figuratively become part of the net. They literally do.
The single most important aspect of the fundamentals is understanding what "right" looks like. It's not intuitive. If you pull out an empty sheet of paper right now and draw a cylinder in perspective, you'll think this is easy and any idiot can do it. But if you proceed to draw a bounding box around that cylinder, with square ends, you will probably find that the near end of that cylinder isn't a very good perspective ellipse, and the far end is completely wrong. The longer the cylinder is, the more messed up the far end gets. Because it's not intuitive how exactly perspective distorts the far end of a cylinder. And once you've tried this a few times, you'll feel dumber than any idiot. There are two ways to fix this, as you mentioned: analytical, where you study perspective until you can articulate what you did wrong and how to do it right; and intuitive, where you study reference until you can "feel" whether cylinders in perspective are done right. But if you don't do either of those things, there is an infinite collection of "wrong" extending in all directions from every "right," and you're not going to stumble on "right" all by yourself.
I need this for music. But I mean I can try to apply this to music. 1:00 some people get better at music by playing it by ear and others focus on the theory. Theory seems to do nothing for me so it seems im the latter. 2:04 This is an interesting thing because you literally cant say this for music. I mean there's a sense in which some can say that, but... I mean you just get noise if you dont follow *some kind* of rules. 3:12 this one applies to music as well. I think the idea here is to not get discouraged because you (who has like what a year doing art regularly) are not doing as well as someone else who has been at it for years. 4:07 oh this one certainly applies to music. And gets a little more complicated... But im just going to go by the idea that directly copying little strings from different bits of music is ok. Especially if modified to the point it cant be recognized. 5:55 So my view on AI art is this; a computer cant be creative. Like, it just cant. Its a calculator, and AI art is a noise value, that's been calculated with averages based on a tag list (which is referenced by your prompt) to create the average of what the computer has been trained all of those things look like in terms of pixel values. That is to say, the result is an average of the work of a lot of other people, and it is *just an average.* Which means its not unique. I think this limits the value of AI art more than people want to admit right now. 6:40 now this is why I say I need a music version. What are the fundamentals of music? Like presumably chords, rhythms, and... something else?
It can be lazy for sure, but look into what the pros do and you will be surprised to know it does take time and effort at higher skill levels. The slop makers just write a prompt and press generate(not hating because sometimes sloppin is just fun), but the pros put far more effort into it. Ai art is weird that way, instead of getting faster with time and practice, you actually slow down the more beneficial skills you gain to help in the process. Photography is the same way I think. Anyone can snap a photo in seconds, but the pros take their time and have more processes. Thinking about it though, I don't think it even matters how lazy or hard making art is does it? Many painters have earned their fame by chucking buckets of paint unto a canvas or "making" literal invisible paintings. Its lazy and low effort, but it was creative in a way and that makes it art. Long as you are having fun and achieving your vision, who cares if its easy.
Yea omg the practice advice is so annoying, everyone knows doing things over an over is automatic skill raise. That kind of advice doesn't address specific problems that those artists might be having, like texturing issues or flatness. I also think we should replace "rules" with concepts or ideas, shape etc. Some thing that doesn't carry an weight of energy that feels restrictive. The perception of failing to follow some unspoken rule can be stressful, its restrictive.
Think of art rules as tools to achieve specific goals. If you are trying to drive in a nail, you'll want to use a hammer - it's just the tool that works the best for that job. You *can* use a rock if you want, but it's not going to work as well.
@@kothorix In your analogy i would be referring to the usage of the hammer and how its used by the inexperienced. If they waste energy trying to imitate the perfect swing, they could of hammered a lot more nails. I believe "the pursuit of correctness" gets in the way of making mistakes, which are required to learn from.
Indeed you are, Michael ^_^ Hope you and your family are doing alright! You should drop by Koth's streams more, been a while since I've seen you there.
I'm a self taught artist, and I usually learned from looking at the art of others. Learning and studying about body anatomy as I look at any picture an artist has drawn. Some artists frown upon this cuz they liken this to tracing, but I don't believe it as such if you're drawing something that you're looking at. And I'm a traditional artist trying to become digital in the near future, so I find it hard to believe how creating art based off of what you see instead of projecting what you're visualizing in your head into paper is considered tracing.
@@doompoison2365 I dunno. Cry about it. My art's in there too cause I have 2-3 old drawings on E6. I have a recent-ish siterip and a copy of the tag database. More art=better model. I wouldn't ask for permission either. Use it or others will use it for you.
@@doompoison2365 My old art is probably in there too. I had pics on e621 when the siterip was floating around. More art = better model. If I made my own AI art Generator, I wouldn't ask for permission either. The genie is out of the bottle. Use it or others will use it for you.
Good advice and it's nice to see you upload again. AI is pretty unpopular in art communities, but I've found it useful as an artist for creating reference images and inspiration. Sometimes I want to draw a scene, but I have trouble fully visualizing that scene. I tell AI to create the scene, it makes several variations of it, and then I draw something similar to it by hand. Artists might say AI is trained from their art but when I'm not using that I'm learning from their art anyway. So it's basically the same thing when I use it this way.
From observation of comment trends (on furry-specific art sites), this isn't _specific_ to canids, but applies to any depiction of 'paw pads' that makes them look smooth, somewhat bulbous and well-cushioned, this eliciting comments comparing them to 'beans'. This intersects with fetishized depictions of character's feet since the best way to display well-rendered pawpads is...to have them facing the viewer...which by necessity includes the rest of the foot.
I appreciate not just hating on Ai art and reminding people that in the past digital art was also looked down upon. I am sure you are aware, so this is for anyone else with an open mind, but not all ai art takes just 5 minutes to make. There is way more to making good ai art then just writing a prompt and pressing generate. Right now at my novice skill level I start with a quick sketch to help the ai get poses and color correct, especially when the picture has more then one character. Then I run my art through AI with a carefully crafted prompt(which honestly is harder then most people think). Usually something will get fucked up I have to take that image and manually fix things in paint 3d(I am telling you I am a rookie I don't know what people use for digital art). Rinse and repeat until I get the final result that feels as close to perfect as I can. Usually takes we well over an hour, sometimes days. Now actual experts go through far more processes then that, things I don't even know how to do, like training their own AI for specific things. Its actually impressive what they can do. On the surface level ai art looks low effort and its very easy to whip out slop, but the people that put in the work shouldn't be getting looked down on or treated with bigotry. Also I would say to people to stop comparing AI art to drawn art. The processes and skills needed are totally different. You can't tell a sculptor that he is lazy because he can't draw, nor would you tell a songwriter that he lacks skill because he cannot animate. The end results are similar between drawn art and ai art, but thats it. We don't ask people to recognize us as painters, we are AI artists and we make ai art. Obviously we cannot paint because that is not what we do, but it is still a form of art. You don't have to love us, but you also don't have to hate us. If what we create isn't your cup of tea, then just leave us alone and go about your day. That is all we ask for.
Also the "Good structure and low details > Bad structure and many details" advice is among the best you can give artists.
True. There's also another type of "bad drive" self taught artists often fall into: They try to make every single one of their drawings a finished piece, just so they could show off and brag. Enjoying yourself is good, but at least half the time should be spent studying and exploring.
Pretty good advice and pretty good paws.
Been on a little nostalgia trip and rewatching youtubers I used to watch from 2016-2019. I'm really surprised that you're still uploading! Been a fan of your content ever since I watched your "F@ck SCHOOL" video. Gotta say,thanks for entertaining me throughout my teen years. Also,great video with great advice!
Great video, Koth! Always neat to see what your thoughts are when it comes to art ^_^
Definitely an interesting and insightful topic that helps shed some insight into the minds of certain artistic types :P
Having the time-lapse of you painting for the backdrop was a nice touch too, I'd like to see more stuff like that in the future.
Nice to see you Koth make a new video , and these were pretty good advice.
Definitely interesting. Id love more videos like this. You have a very valuable, clear perspective on the vague barks a lot of artists tend to use.
Bro is posting BEANS on TH-cam 😭😭
beanposting is mandatory. I am something of bean aficionado myself.
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It's a fetish thing isn't it?
This mf’er eating beans.
ngl i clicked cuz of the beans
Dr. K said comparing has upwards and downwards comparing. If you upwards compare a lot then you feel like you are a failure. If you downwards compare a lot then you feel like you are plenty good. Both at the detriment of improvement.
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I've heard and been told some of these tips before, but it's so helpful to have it explained in different ways. Nice artwork too btw, really like the colors.
Beans.
This was pretty useful thank you.
Every time you upload I have to binge watch your f**k it series again.
I'm ngl bro I love your art!! It's got such a cool vibe- also your details are immaculate :0
Proud of you, Koth. Keep going. ❤
Thank you very much, I used to be an artist but after years of that spark dying due to just a combo of shit teachings, bad advice, fundamental drag and burnout it killed my love for art itself. I struggle cause I'm not intuitive and I can't learn online well at all so their has always been a disconnect between my analytical and creative side. Seeing this video helps give me some hope
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A more-or-less spot-on explanation of the "expert's blind spot". When you know a process so well you don't have to think about _how_ you do it in order to accomplish the task, it becomes difficult to explain that process to the uninitiated since you'll tend to leave out a lot of stuff that you don't have to think about, but the other person does not know.
Over time I've come to express the above by saying _"Knowing a subject and knowing how to _*_teach_*_ it are two very different things"_
Any time I try to show someone how to do something, I try to keep that in mind, recalling the stuff I went through when I was learning it moreso than how I do it in the present.
These information seems pretty helpful, thanks for sharing this advices
This is pretty solid. Thanks!
That was very interesting. I would like to hear your self critique on the drawing you did, where you did well/not as good as you had in mind, what you might've learned while making the drawing, what you want to try in future drawings.
This is actually a helpful video. Its like all the grey areas artists skip on in tutorials
Ah, remembering all the weird online brain attitudes people had on deviantart. Brings me back to 2004. It was amusing going into college and basically learning all the essential tools and practices some deviantbrain would think to be cheating.
As a casual but analytical music creator, it's hard to feel like I'm being "creative" when I'm basically using theory and what would sound the best mathematically for every composition, so it's nice to hear it happens in the art community as well. I'm jealous of the people that can just intuit things lol.
I love hearing that artists are on a spectrum of intuitive/technical application, like artists on the technical side are able to understand /why/ something they did worked and replicate it everytime, while intuitive artists can go into something on intuition but aren't able to explain it/ replicate it everytime (i'm a bit more on the intu.side, but i found as i've gotten better, i'm able to breakdown/understand/explain and therefore replicate what i've done a bit better.)
Also i think what people get wrong with comparing is they're comparing their /person/ to other artists, instead of their artwork.
Instead of "Wow, this person's art is so much better than mine" actually breakdown /why and what/
Like "this person's shading is better than mine because it actually follows the way light acts on form in real life"
Compare work, not skill, other people have made breakthroughs you havent through semi-random events, and you have made breakthroughs othe rpeople havent through semi-random events.
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Very succinct and good video. I think that you explain your view on the matter well
Thanks for the explanation I might start drawing now
Its so refreshing to see adults vision on the drawing nowadays
I've been an artist for almost a decade and some phrases people say still confuse me haha, thanks
Poses/ color theory/ expirement with different styles/ stretch expressions
Damn, she really got her feet all out and everything
I continue to be blown away by artists, I am a very technical person, and things like mechanics make a lot of sense to me. but there is something about drawing thats so free hand and hard for me to comprehend how they can be so consistent. hopefully this comment makes ghramatical sense cuz I only got a few hrs of sleep
Art can be very technical and mathematical as well. Using a perspective grid to figure out the drawing's layout is just math, for example. Another one is using Lambert's emission law to help figure out how to shade.
I'm an analytical artist. I have like no intuition however I work with an intuitive one on an animated pilot. He often tells me to just do stuff and not think and I'm telling him we need to follow the rules / proper production procedures. 😂
I feel like the hatred of AI tools is less about the tools themselves and more about how they are being used. AI tools have existed for years but only recently have large companies started just straight up stealing art to train their models. I think thats the major issue.
What about that makes it theft though? Anyone can save any image they find online without paying the artist and it doesn't deprive the artist of their work. I don't think it suddenly becomes theft if someone does that for the purpose of training an ai. At least not anymore a theft then using saving someone elses art to use as a reference would be while learning how to draw. Maybe its not a totally honorable thing to do, but its not criminal or immoral either and people have been doing it for centuries.
Nah the real concern with Ai is that it will take jobs away from people, but were all a bit screwed there aren't we. Technology always deprives someone of a job, but things tend to work out better in the long run. Ideally the end goal would be ai and robots do everything so humanity can finally rest and any work we do would be for our own benefit, not our bosses. Probably won't out that way because people are evil and greedy, but thats the goal.
@@fdsgdxfgddfgdfgdfg3814As far as I know. The thing about neural nets is that when they're trained for a given output, the neurons in the net literally contain the average of a given output type. So your art doesn't just figuratively become part of the net. They literally do.
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The single most important aspect of the fundamentals is understanding what "right" looks like. It's not intuitive.
If you pull out an empty sheet of paper right now and draw a cylinder in perspective, you'll think this is easy and any idiot can do it. But if you proceed to draw a bounding box around that cylinder, with square ends, you will probably find that the near end of that cylinder isn't a very good perspective ellipse, and the far end is completely wrong. The longer the cylinder is, the more messed up the far end gets. Because it's not intuitive how exactly perspective distorts the far end of a cylinder. And once you've tried this a few times, you'll feel dumber than any idiot.
There are two ways to fix this, as you mentioned: analytical, where you study perspective until you can articulate what you did wrong and how to do it right; and intuitive, where you study reference until you can "feel" whether cylinders in perspective are done right. But if you don't do either of those things, there is an infinite collection of "wrong" extending in all directions from every "right," and you're not going to stumble on "right" all by yourself.
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Realy good video
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I need this for music.
But I mean I can try to apply this to music.
1:00 some people get better at music by playing it by ear and others focus on the theory. Theory seems to do nothing for me so it seems im the latter.
2:04 This is an interesting thing because you literally cant say this for music. I mean there's a sense in which some can say that, but... I mean you just get noise if you dont follow *some kind* of rules.
3:12 this one applies to music as well. I think the idea here is to not get discouraged because you (who has like what a year doing art regularly) are not doing as well as someone else who has been at it for years.
4:07 oh this one certainly applies to music. And gets a little more complicated... But im just going to go by the idea that directly copying little strings from different bits of music is ok. Especially if modified to the point it cant be recognized.
5:55 So my view on AI art is this; a computer cant be creative. Like, it just cant. Its a calculator, and AI art is a noise value, that's been calculated with averages based on a tag list (which is referenced by your prompt) to create the average of what the computer has been trained all of those things look like in terms of pixel values. That is to say, the result is an average of the work of a lot of other people, and it is *just an average.*
Which means its not unique. I think this limits the value of AI art more than people want to admit right now.
6:40 now this is why I say I need a music version. What are the fundamentals of music? Like presumably chords, rhythms, and... something else?
AI art will hit a ceiling eventually. It's more of a threat to job seeker artists, but when are artists NOT being screwed over in that sector?
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I personally gave up on drawing but wanna get back into it. This time without being obsessive about my bad skills.
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@@micahrobbins8353mf really just typed out "skull emoji"
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oh wow i havnt seen you since, "the meme"
If artists were good at giving advice, we wouldn't be artists... we arent talkers, we're draw-ers. ^.-.^
I didn’t know bro was still posting 😭😭
I forgot you existed.
0:53 I laughed out loud
Nice speedpaint commentary, Kothy! In my opinion, AI art is not theft, but it is lazy.
It can be lazy for sure, but look into what the pros do and you will be surprised to know it does take time and effort at higher skill levels. The slop makers just write a prompt and press generate(not hating because sometimes sloppin is just fun), but the pros put far more effort into it. Ai art is weird that way, instead of getting faster with time and practice, you actually slow down the more beneficial skills you gain to help in the process. Photography is the same way I think. Anyone can snap a photo in seconds, but the pros take their time and have more processes.
Thinking about it though, I don't think it even matters how lazy or hard making art is does it? Many painters have earned their fame by chucking buckets of paint unto a canvas or "making" literal invisible paintings. Its lazy and low effort, but it was creative in a way and that makes it art. Long as you are having fun and achieving your vision, who cares if its easy.
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Yea omg the practice advice is so annoying, everyone knows doing things over an over is automatic skill raise. That kind of advice doesn't address specific problems that those artists might be having, like texturing issues or flatness.
I also think we should replace "rules" with concepts or ideas, shape etc. Some thing that doesn't carry an weight of energy that feels restrictive. The perception of failing to follow some unspoken rule can be stressful, its restrictive.
Think of art rules as tools to achieve specific goals. If you are trying to drive in a nail, you'll want to use a hammer - it's just the tool that works the best for that job. You *can* use a rock if you want, but it's not going to work as well.
@@kothorix In your analogy i would be referring to the usage of the hammer and how its used by the inexperienced. If they waste energy trying to imitate the perfect swing, they could of hammered a lot more nails.
I believe "the pursuit of correctness" gets in the way of making mistakes, which are required to learn from.
I'm an artist
Indeed you are, Michael ^_^
Hope you and your family are doing alright! You should drop by Koth's streams more, been a while since I've seen you there.
Ok thanks buddy
I'm back
I'm a self taught artist, and I usually learned from looking at the art of others. Learning and studying about body anatomy as I look at any picture an artist has drawn. Some artists frown upon this cuz they liken this to tracing, but I don't believe it as such if you're drawing something that you're looking at. And I'm a traditional artist trying to become digital in the near future, so I find it hard to believe how creating art based off of what you see instead of projecting what you're visualizing in your head into paper is considered tracing.
Studying photos or other people's art by copying them is a great exercise.
I think AI is good for inspiration and brainstorming. Doesn't hurt to have more ideas and references to work with.
The problem is still with the consent of the artists who's art they use with the models
@@doompoison2365 I dunno. Cry about it. My art's in there too cause I have 2-3 old drawings on E6. I have a recent-ish siterip and a copy of the tag database. More art=better model. I wouldn't ask for permission either. Use it or others will use it for you.
@@doompoison2365 My old art is probably in there too. I had pics on e621 when the siterip was floating around. More art = better model. If I made my own AI art Generator, I wouldn't ask for permission either. The genie is out of the bottle. Use it or others will use it for you.
@@doompoison2365 Useless. The genie is out of the bottle. Also my old art is in there too.
I need to know your thoughts on religion.
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The pedo dragon still makes vids
Bro did not watch the video he's talking about 😭
Good advice and it's nice to see you upload again. AI is pretty unpopular in art communities, but I've found it useful as an artist for creating reference images and inspiration. Sometimes I want to draw a scene, but I have trouble fully visualizing that scene. I tell AI to create the scene, it makes several variations of it, and then I draw something similar to it by hand. Artists might say AI is trained from their art but when I'm not using that I'm learning from their art anyway. So it's basically the same thing when I use it this way.
Are dog feet a fetish??? A lot of these comments make it seem that way and it's kinda disturbing
From observation of comment trends (on furry-specific art sites), this isn't _specific_ to canids, but applies to any depiction of 'paw pads' that makes them look smooth, somewhat bulbous and well-cushioned, this eliciting comments comparing them to 'beans'.
This intersects with fetishized depictions of character's feet since the best way to display well-rendered pawpads is...to have them facing the viewer...which by necessity includes the rest of the foot.
I appreciate not just hating on Ai art and reminding people that in the past digital art was also looked down upon. I am sure you are aware, so this is for anyone else with an open mind, but not all ai art takes just 5 minutes to make. There is way more to making good ai art then just writing a prompt and pressing generate. Right now at my novice skill level I start with a quick sketch to help the ai get poses and color correct, especially when the picture has more then one character. Then I run my art through AI with a carefully crafted prompt(which honestly is harder then most people think). Usually something will get fucked up I have to take that image and manually fix things in paint 3d(I am telling you I am a rookie I don't know what people use for digital art). Rinse and repeat until I get the final result that feels as close to perfect as I can. Usually takes we well over an hour, sometimes days. Now actual experts go through far more processes then that, things I don't even know how to do, like training their own AI for specific things. Its actually impressive what they can do.
On the surface level ai art looks low effort and its very easy to whip out slop, but the people that put in the work shouldn't be getting looked down on or treated with bigotry. Also I would say to people to stop comparing AI art to drawn art. The processes and skills needed are totally different. You can't tell a sculptor that he is lazy because he can't draw, nor would you tell a songwriter that he lacks skill because he cannot animate. The end results are similar between drawn art and ai art, but thats it. We don't ask people to recognize us as painters, we are AI artists and we make ai art. Obviously we cannot paint because that is not what we do, but it is still a form of art. You don't have to love us, but you also don't have to hate us. If what we create isn't your cup of tea, then just leave us alone and go about your day. That is all we ask for.
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