I’ve watched tile coach videos so much, that I’m going to attempt this, as a female who has never done this before I’m up for the challenge. I’ve got my whole bathroom to the studs and I’m ready to try this. Wish me luck, patience is a virtue. I’m OCD when it comes to stuff like this so I won’t rush it. Great video
hes lucky to have a great teacher. I had to learn on my own by trial and error. Took me 3 times longer then someone who is taught. Now I can do it perfectly and fast
Great job teaching the younger guys! I was taught to pack the cement in hard like Devin was doing when you said he was doing it to hard. Then the mud is removed with a Wooden straight edge (1×4) similar to your metal edges (multipal sizes) around the perimeter in a figure 8 motion to make your screed point which ends up alot wider than the thickness of the level he just beat on. IT is harder for the screed point to disapear because it was packed realy hard. Your Screed point ends up the width of your "darby" . You can then fine tune the screed point with the Darby because you made the screed point wide enough for the darby to fit. Then you fill in center of the pan area pack that just as hard and remove the excess using the Wooden straight edges like a scrapper from the drain to the wide screed points around the shower. You also cut the screed point back to get this flat point you made closer to the wall will removing the center. I like to use a swing pool trowel for a smooth trowel finish once all the screeding and darby work is complete. The only time we ever lightly packed the mud was when we would install the tile the same day then the tile and mud would get the "beat down" with a wooden beating block once the tile was set on the wet mud. Beating you tools into submission is wrong in my eyes especialy a level!
Devin is getting a good education and acquiring skills, he will definetly look back and appreciate what you did for him. You're a great person, we need more of this in the trade, heck, in the world!
Devin was feeling the work sweating as he muds lol. Hi Isaac nice video passing on the gift of tiling super cool. I've been a helper for a couple of lead installers most do not want to teach or show. I'm at a good company now and grown as an installer you videos really really help Isaac
Great video! Devin is an inspiration to us first timers! Blessings to you for teaching the young man a trade that he will always be able to use for himself and others!
Glad to see this youngster working on tiling a shower.lots of kids dont want to do nothing.im a tile installer and i cant ever get my nephews to even try it.good stuff
I just wanna say I love that you say it’s important to teach and educate your helpers who can progress and have that motivation to learn a trade. I’ve been tiling for about a little over a year and worked for a company who pushed me to my limit in a negative way without any real training and makes me appreciate your patience and attention to proper training with your employees. Tile coach you’ve helped me so much in my research and proper installation processes and I can’t thank you enough for doing the right thing and guiding me to excellence in the tile setting trade. Keep up the informative videos and I wish you the best!
Way to go. Great video to help teach the next generation. It reminded me so much when my father would show me how to work with the different trades. Even though I went to many years of college, I never forgot what he showed me.
Fear is stronger than caring for most people. Most bosses, managers etc. are simply afraid that if they teach you, you might become better than them. They fail to realize that if they don't teach and encourage their employees and something goes wrong with them illness etc. then the business can lose money, client or even shut down. I believe one of the key parts of having a successful business is a solid team. Keep teaching my man and your name will live on.
This is awesome to see someone teaching another person without yelling or making them feel like Sh*t in order to try and correct their work habit. Word of advice. Plug the hole in the drain inlet. =X
For sure man passing on this trade to the next generation is an awesome gift. Keep teaching keep creating. And if you have a large tshirt i would proudly wear it.
You’re a great teacher. So many people don’t have the patience or just don’t want to teach the younger generation. I’ve watched hours of your videos and ain’t even doing tile. 😆
Devin that looks awesome, im 55 and doing my first deck mud shower, im intimidated, i know i can , but im nervous, i wish i had your coach, hang on to him 😊, Keep going devin, i can see it now, Devins Remodeling & Repairs, 👍🥇
Respect, young Man. I’m doing this right now and it .. Fkn... sucksssss. But you’re learning from a good guy who gives a shit. So am I. It makes the world of difference
Interesting. In oz we normally cut some thing strips like giant edges so we screed off these runners for all the fall once we are done we pull the timber wedges screed points out and fill it
That’s kind of you to teach I remember my in Dad n law would only tell me to look and not ask questions because if he explained everything to me I would forget the next day at the end he was right I learned just by looking and checking everything he did
Love the TileCoach logo! All seeing eye of the shower drain eh? Very helpful video having an apprentice do it. Devin did a great job esp. considering his boss was over his shoulder with a camera. I look a lot like Devin doing this sweating and saying to myself how easy Isaac made it look. Oh my aching back, I'm too old for this it hurts just watching.
Good for you wanting to learn Devin! This is a good trade to learn and no matter what you do in life it’ll always help you to have skills like this. Lucky for you Isaac, you’ve got a young and motivated individual who’s willing to learn. I wish I could find some like that! Love your channel and thanks for your videos, I’ve never seen star Tile post a video like this. Actually I remember couple videos he did where he posted a craigslist add looking for someone who wanted to work for free and learn at he same time👎👎. If your looking for someone to work with you, pay then an honest days wage for honest work and experience! Thanks again!
He's lucky you're teaching him. Many setters keep their helpers from learning too much so they don't leave to work for themselves or ask for raises. I had several guys try to hold me back when I started out
I bet all carpenters were crying when they saw the ruthless, most merciless violence towards that level. You cannot let them, those mortar-guys, borrow your levels ever :D
those rubber mallets won't even damage hardwood or laminate flooring which is their intended use. You have to smack the shit out of it to damage a quality level
Its Stabila Dont worry. After he levels the float, make him buy a stabila A set of 16 and 48 levels go for 170. Thats nothing Gotta look good in the videos w the Stabila
In the proper application of Red Guard he makes a point to leave the sidewall up about a 1/2" above the mud bed so water can not wick up the wall. Here the wall is all the way down. Which is best? Great video, Thanks for Keeping the Craft Alive!
Never done this myself. Boss has us using styrofoam Prova kits at this point. I must say though, Devin seems to have a knack for it and appears to have done a very nice job for his first try. He seemed very aware of his mistakes as they happened and just as you began to call him out. He will be a productive employee.
2X Extra large for the T shirt Isaac, but in all sincerity you truly show the old school ways and this channel is perfect for pros as well as above average diyer's!! Up north Chris.
Hey Isaac, love your stuff man. Can't get enough of it. Can you post a video of you doing a shower pan on a subfloor, I know a lot of your videos have you floating pans on slabs. Just want to understand the process of floating on a half inch sheet of plywood vs. slab. Thanks
Hey Isaac, I'd run some tests on the densheild. If I recall correctly, most(if not all) tile distributers around mpls/st Paul stopped carrying it because of shower failures. I think it failed similar to sheetrock (mushy) if the waterproof layer got compromised. Thanks for what you do!
Nice teaching style! I see too many guys barking orders which seems to retard the most important part of the learning process; thinking critically FOR YOURSELF! I'm a plumber in Marin, and 90% of my work is high end bath and kitchen remodels. Its nice to see what goes on after I set drains and rough valves.
Having never done this before, I must say thank you! I did a 33" by 76" shower pan last night and would not have been able to do it without your videos. It came out great so thanks a ton! (credit to Sal's videos too)
My advice cut a piece of wood with a slope and place it from the corner towards the drain, when you are finished, remove the wood and fill the empty space works well with new guys
We get the lines level on the perimeter. Then lines intersecting with drain. Pull on all 8 lines until they disappear. Sand and finish trowel. But it’s just another way to get the same results.
Johnny Woods outa forth Worth Texas, hope you didn’t glue that drain yet, you need to pull it out, put thinset under & at the same time put the PCs glue on pipe, the mud won’t bond to plastics will hold it in place but you need some actual adhesion to make the tile not break looses a few months down the line, then skim around the drain & drop off around the skimmer before tile install especially if it’s a small sheet-mounted tile or stone
I have been watching a lot of your shower pan videos the passed 2 months, trying to build up my nerve to do my first shower pan. I was wondering if you do the bond coat every time? And what product are you using for it? Some of your other pan videos, i dont remember this step. Does it depend on what material the subfloor is? Thanks for taking the time to teach us about your trade.
Lucky Devin! Sure wish I could find a quality helper who wants to learn the trade.... FWIW, I like to make my measurements (calculating my slope) and then draw a line on the walls, before applying the slurry coat. Then when I start to pack my "deck mud" (I really like mapei 4 to 1) along the perimeter, I can just get it right up to the line.....then check it and fine tune with my levels later...
Ok so I have a custom sized shower 48 inches by 60 inches. Drain is in the center. The guy who did it led me to believe just because he can do tile, that he could do the glass tile floor....he didn't. So im doing it myself correctly but I was hoping you could tell me based on my shower size bow much cement and sand I need to mix to make my deck mud
A quick question, when do you put the pan liner? I seen where you made a slope, put the liner, then you put your final deck mud. I didnt see that here. Just wonder if this is a different technique to not use a pan liner ! Thanks
Love the shirts and logo, got a large black tee laying around? ;) Teaching is one thing, making them learn how to actually do it is key. The difference between knowledge and know how is experience!
Hi, totally nitwit armchair commenter here. Why wouldn’t you first lay down batons around the walls at the right height as a reference and then build up the mud? That should go quite easy. And then take out the batons and fill up the cavity. Just curious to know where it would go wrong. (Probably at the last step)
If water come in the sand will it be drain by the shower drain? I'm not certain to understand. The holes of the shower drain are on the top, not on the side. Please notice English is not my native language.
Denshild wall. So you’re not floating. Deck mud pan to floated wall bonds w wire usually. Here. No hot mop or wire. Thoughts on how long this will hold up for
Isaac Ostrom I’ve removed too many shower liners and just don’t see as much failed hot mopped pans. I love shluters metal pieces. But liners and foam. Just not interested in putting my name on them. They seam like turn burn and I’m not sold that they’ll last 30 years
Most people are greedy and wont teach , good on you for caring about others growth and knowledge
I’ve watched tile coach videos so much, that I’m going to attempt this, as a female who has never done this before I’m up for the challenge.
I’ve got my whole bathroom to the studs and I’m ready to try this. Wish me luck, patience is a virtue. I’m OCD when it comes to stuff like this so I won’t rush it. Great video
How it turn out!?!?!? I shared some tips with a. Us timer and he did his mothers tub surround!
hes lucky to have a great teacher. I had to learn on my own by trial and error. Took me 3 times longer then someone who is taught. Now I can do it perfectly and fast
Great job teaching the younger guys! I was taught to pack the cement in hard like Devin was doing when you said he was doing it to hard. Then the mud is removed with a Wooden straight edge (1×4) similar to your metal edges (multipal sizes) around the perimeter in a figure 8 motion to make your screed point which ends up alot wider than the thickness of the level he just beat on. IT is harder for the screed point to disapear because it was packed realy hard. Your Screed point ends up the width of your "darby" . You can then fine tune the screed point with the Darby because you made the screed point wide enough for the darby to fit. Then you fill in center of the pan area pack that just as hard and remove the excess using the Wooden straight edges like a scrapper from the drain to the wide screed points around the shower. You also cut the screed point back to get this flat point you made closer to the wall will removing the center. I like to use a swing pool trowel for a smooth trowel finish once all the screeding and darby work is complete.
The only time we ever lightly packed the mud was when we would install the tile the same day then the tile and mud would get the "beat down" with a wooden beating block once the tile was set on the wet mud. Beating you tools into submission is wrong in my eyes especialy a level!
Its great to teach others & pass on our craftsmanship tile trade! I had a great teacher and i learned alot!
Devin is getting a good education and acquiring skills, he will definetly look back and appreciate what you did for him. You're a great person, we need more of this in the trade, heck, in the world!
Devin was feeling the work sweating as he muds lol. Hi Isaac nice video passing on the gift of tiling super cool. I've been a helper for a couple of lead installers most do not want to teach or show. I'm at a good company now and grown as an installer you videos really really help Isaac
Great video! Devin is an inspiration to us first timers! Blessings to you for teaching the young man a trade that he will always be able to use for himself and others!
Glad to see this youngster working on tiling a shower.lots of kids dont want to do nothing.im a tile installer and i cant ever get my nephews to even try it.good stuff
You are a good man Isaac. Keep up the great work by inspiring others.
I just wanna say I love that you say it’s important to teach and educate your helpers who can progress and have that motivation to learn a trade. I’ve been tiling for about a little over a year and worked for a company who pushed me to my limit in a negative way without any real training and makes me appreciate your patience and attention to proper training with your employees. Tile coach you’ve helped me so much in my research and proper installation processes and I can’t thank you enough for doing the right thing and guiding me to excellence in the tile setting trade. Keep up the informative videos and I wish you the best!
Way to go. Great video to help teach the next generation. It reminded me so much when my father would show me how to work with the different trades. Even though I went to many years of college, I never forgot what he showed me.
Great work, keep the young guys / girls interested in the tile trades. Kick ass. Lates.
Good deal letting him give it a go, it’s the only way to learn. Good job
Devin, don't tell the homeowner 😅
Devin is the the dude 🤙
Great video
Fear is stronger than caring for most people. Most bosses, managers etc. are simply afraid that if they teach you, you might become better than them. They fail to realize that if they don't teach and encourage their employees and something goes wrong with them illness etc. then the business can lose money, client or even shut down. I believe one of the key parts of having a successful business is a solid team. Keep teaching my man and your name will live on.
This is awesome to see someone teaching another person without yelling or making them feel like Sh*t in order to try and correct their work habit. Word of advice. Plug the hole in the drain inlet. =X
He is a diligent student. I'm sure his parents are proud of him.
Great kid.we need more kids like him. Great job 🎉
For sure man passing on this trade to the next generation is an awesome gift. Keep teaching keep creating. And if you have a large tshirt i would proudly wear it.
Isaac, thank you! Helpers got some game, nice.
Nice job! Good to see smart and diligent young people taking up trades.
You’re a great teacher. So many people don’t have the patience or just don’t want to teach the younger generation. I’ve watched hours of your videos and ain’t even doing tile. 😆
Devin that looks awesome, im 55 and doing my first deck mud shower, im intimidated, i know i can , but im nervous, i wish i had your coach, hang on to him 😊, Keep going devin, i can see it now, Devins Remodeling & Repairs, 👍🥇
Respect, young Man. I’m doing this right now and it .. Fkn... sucksssss. But you’re learning from a good guy who gives a shit. So am I. It makes the world of difference
Interesting. In oz we normally cut some thing strips like giant edges so we screed off these runners for all the fall once we are done we pull the timber wedges screed points out and fill it
That’s kind of you to teach I remember my in Dad n law would only tell me to look and not ask questions because if he explained everything to me I would forget the next day at the end he was right I learned just by looking and checking everything he did
Love the Tile Coach video series. I've been a Tile guy since '93 and am always picking up something new from your videos, keep it up Isaac
Love the TileCoach logo! All seeing eye of the shower drain eh? Very helpful video having an apprentice do it. Devin did a great job esp. considering his boss was over his shoulder with a camera. I look a lot like Devin doing this sweating and saying to myself how easy Isaac made it look. Oh my aching back, I'm too old for this it hurts just watching.
Good for you wanting to learn Devin! This is a good trade to learn and no matter what you do in life it’ll always help you to have skills like this. Lucky for you Isaac, you’ve got a young and motivated individual who’s willing to learn. I wish I could find some like that! Love your channel and thanks for your videos, I’ve never seen star Tile post a video like this. Actually I remember couple videos he did where he posted a craigslist add looking for someone who wanted to work for free and learn at he same time👎👎. If your looking for someone to work with you, pay then an honest days wage for honest work and experience! Thanks again!
Id hate to work for that starrtile goof
Appreciate the help tile coach
Issac, good teacher and good boss.
He's lucky you're teaching him. Many setters keep their helpers from learning too much so they don't leave to work for themselves or ask for raises. I had several guys try to hold me back when I started out
GJL Creative Studios don’t see a issue for a raise if your able to make money for the company. You know what I mean.
My current situation such a shame young eager worker ready to soak up knowledge but people wanna be shady
I bet all carpenters were crying when they saw the ruthless, most merciless violence towards that level. You cannot let them, those mortar-guys, borrow your levels ever :D
those rubber mallets won't even damage hardwood or laminate flooring which is their intended use. You have to smack the shit out of it to damage a quality level
Its Stabila
Dont worry.
After he levels the float, make him buy a stabila
A set of 16 and 48 levels go for 170. Thats nothing
Gotta look good in the videos w the Stabila
Good job buddy. I remember my first mud bed but in the end went well, and actually I would like a shirt.
last thing i learned for showers is how to float the pan good vid this is how its done
Good job kid!!great coaching
In the proper application of Red Guard he makes a point to leave the sidewall up about a 1/2" above the mud bed so water can not wick up the wall. Here the wall is all the way down. Which is best? Great video, Thanks for Keeping the Craft Alive!
Never done this myself. Boss has us using styrofoam Prova kits at this point. I must say though, Devin seems to have a knack for it and appears to have done a very nice job for his first try. He seemed very aware of his mistakes as they happened and just as you began to call him out. He will be a productive employee.
Good stuff Isaac! Teaching him how to dry pack a pan not “pour” I’ve had enough of these guys and they’re brick mortar shower pans
I remember my first float. I felt like I was just playing in mud but I eventually got it lol. Love the videos Isaac.
That is truly phenomenal that is truly our commitment to the upcoming future teens reality is that's what secures the future. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice vid, hard work and lessons learned. Awesome stuff
2X Extra large for the T shirt Isaac, but in all sincerity you truly show the old school ways and this channel is perfect for pros as well as above average diyer's!! Up north Chris.
Hey Isaac, love your stuff man. Can't get enough of it. Can you post a video of you doing a shower pan on a subfloor, I know a lot of your videos have you floating pans on slabs. Just want to understand the process of floating on a half inch sheet of plywood vs. slab. Thanks
Thanks for teaching!
I used to do it that way but i learned from a master tile setter that their is easier way to do this faster and more accurately.
Good job young man!! Keep on keepin on. #TileLife
Hey Isaac, I'd run some tests on the densheild. If I recall correctly, most(if not all) tile distributers around mpls/st Paul stopped carrying it because of shower failures. I think it failed similar to sheetrock (mushy) if the waterproof layer got compromised.
Thanks for what you do!
Nice teaching style! I see too many guys barking orders which seems to retard the most important part of the learning process; thinking critically FOR YOURSELF! I'm a plumber in Marin, and 90% of my work is high end bath and kitchen remodels. Its nice to see what goes on after I set drains and rough valves.
@@TileCoach I'll definitely keep you in mind.
Having never done this before, I must say thank you! I did a 33" by 76" shower pan last night and would not have been able to do it without your videos. It came out great so thanks a ton! (credit to Sal's videos too)
You have coached me a lot. Thanks for all the videos. Where can I get a shirt?
Keep up good work I love your videos!!!
Love watching you videos . I wouldn't mind have a shirt.😁
Isaac your drain is high enough black paper wire mesh then mud. Just a thought. Keep up good job.
Awesome stuff
How do you learn to hit a Curveball? By hitting curveballs. Love your way of teaching
My advice cut a piece of wood with a slope and place it from the corner towards the drain, when you are finished, remove the wood and fill the empty space works well with new guys
We get the lines level on the perimeter. Then lines intersecting with drain. Pull on all 8 lines until they disappear. Sand and finish trowel. But it’s just another way to get the same results.
Don't know if you will answer this since video was done in April but here goes! Do you need the thin set first on a concrete floor?
Johnny Woods outa forth Worth Texas, hope you didn’t glue that drain yet, you need to pull it out, put thinset under & at the same time put the PCs glue on pipe, the mud won’t bond to plastics will hold it in place but you need some actual adhesion to make the tile not break looses a few months down the line, then skim around the drain & drop off around the skimmer before tile install especially if it’s a small sheet-mounted tile or stone
I have been watching a lot of your shower pan videos the passed 2 months, trying to build up my nerve to do my first shower pan. I was wondering if you do the bond coat every time? And what product are you using for it? Some of your other pan videos, i dont remember this step. Does it depend on what material the subfloor is? Thanks for taking the time to teach us about your trade.
@James Jennings did you ever find out what the slurry is made of? I'm at that point and I don't want to mess it up
@tilecoach Preston loves your shirts.
I want a shirt! Love it.
Would you suggest to use "Goof Proof ShowerPre-Pitch Standard Installation Kit" for someone who has not done this before? Thanks
Is Denshild under mud OK even with surface water proofing?
Do you have a video or recommendation on leveling for an off center drain?
Hey I love your videos man an the tile job can I get a one of you t shirts to show my friends who iam lerning from than you
Lucky Devin! Sure wish I could find a quality helper who wants to learn the trade....
FWIW, I like to make my measurements (calculating my slope) and then draw a line on the walls, before applying the slurry coat. Then when I start to pack my "deck mud" (I really like mapei 4 to 1) along the perimeter, I can just get it right up to the line.....then check it and fine tune with my levels later...
@@smartfloors4542 not the case here in Colorado....
Dang man ,, congrats on your first pan but you NEVER EVER in your life beat the level !!!!! Think of it like a scoped rifle 😉
shoosh
Ok so I have a custom sized shower 48 inches by 60 inches. Drain is in the center. The guy who did it led me to believe just because he can do tile, that he could do the glass tile floor....he didn't. So im doing it myself correctly but I was hoping you could tell me based on my shower size bow much cement and sand I need to mix to make my deck mud
A quick question, when do you put the pan liner? I seen where you made a slope, put the liner, then you put your final deck mud. I didnt see that here. Just wonder if this is a different technique to not use a pan liner ! Thanks
Could you use go board as a border for a screed around the pan?
Can you put a membrane over wood subfloor and build your shower pan like that. Thanks Adley Firmin
Kid has a lot of potential
If my backer board is waterproofed , can it be in the mortar bed????
Love the shirts and logo, got a large black tee laying around? ;) Teaching is one thing, making them learn how to actually do it is key. The difference between knowledge and know how is experience!
how much work time do you have till that mud dries hard?
Would love a Tile Coach t-shirt
Tilecoach.com
I’ve always heard to lay the pan fort, AND then the cement boards, what do you think..?
Is pan fort the block?
After laying down my Deck Mud it would flake off like sand. Too much water or too little? What is the minimal thickness of deck mud?
We have a Devin too, but my video would have to be "I Teach Devin HOW TO FIND His Margin Trowel"
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sorry, also do you want your drywall board to the ground when doing a slope pan? or would you want it to only come down to the top of your slope pan
👌shirt dude . Just a Canadian tile guy here
Everytime he hits the level with hammer I cringe. 🔥
Hurry the deck mud is drying lol its hot and humid in here were is my fan 😆
Awsome I try to teach everyone that works for me unfortunately nobody want to work for there money anymore
Is that a schluter curb? I've wanted to start using those, have you done any of your test involving that curb?
Starrtile is cringing right now
Lol
Only he knows the proper way hahahaha
Great job teaching these youngsters man 👍🏼
That's hilarious. I don't know why but I ended up on his shower pan video and I'm here now due to a link in his comment section
Oof
Hi, totally nitwit armchair commenter here.
Why wouldn’t you first lay down batons around the walls at the right height as a reference and then build up the mud? That should go quite easy. And then take out the batons and fill up the cavity.
Just curious to know where it would go wrong. (Probably at the last step)
Nothing wrong, just different techniques. Your one is easier and a trick of the trade. This one is good to teach the up and coming. Fundamentals
Salote Sua tx!
What do you use to make the slurry?
I agree with teaching it will allow you to do other projects
The other thing I am curious about is that the dense deck or wall board corners are not finished before the pan is that normal?
If you snap a line around the parrimeter you won’t have to worry about loosing your level
If water come in the sand will it be drain by the shower drain? I'm not certain to understand. The holes of the shower drain are on the top, not on the side. Please notice English is not my native language.
Denshild wall. So you’re not floating. Deck mud pan to floated wall bonds w wire usually. Here. No hot mop or wire. Thoughts on how long this will hold up for
Got ya. I like floating the walls first then the pan. So I get the wire into pan so they’re stable and so I’m not walking on my pan.
Isaac Ostrom I’ve removed too many shower liners and just don’t see as much failed hot mopped pans. I love shluters metal pieces. But liners and foam. Just not interested in putting my name on them. They seam like turn burn and I’m not sold that they’ll last 30 years
Needing a tile coach T-shirt in a bad way, just got a new u wanting to learn this trade !
How much do you think it would cost to have someone do this in a 9x3 shower and complete the shower floor so it can be tiled?
seems like a good idea to put tape over the drain
Breaks my heart to see a trainee being taught to beat the crap out of a spirit level with a mallet.
What product do you use? i just poured my second pan yesterday and it dried and crumbled in some spots. Feeling frustrated