If you ask me - She didn't need to be actively connected to the Shimada Brothers or the clan at all. I think they could've very easily just made her mom a local, everyday swordsman teacher (Instead of the "best sword master in the world", which just seems like lazy and exaggerated writing, and just pretentious in general). The brothers most likely would've been trained by the Clan's own elders regularly, and Kiriko could've just been some little kid who wanted her mom (Who never trained the brothers) to train her too. Only for her to be like, "I don't want you anywhere near that." Which, to me, seems far more interesting than what we got. Genji and Hanzo's lore wouldn't need to change, but the general idea for Kiriko is still there (just separate). Instead, Blizzard decides to completely butcher the power and character of Hanzo, Genji, and the Shimada Clan in favor of giving everything to her and her family. Even saying that the brothers were taught to wall climb by Asa, and then removing the Spirit Dragons and trying to say, "Yeah, it's just technology in the weapon that was forged by Kiriko's dad. Oh, but you know, Kiriko can literally teleport and has a spirit fox even though she has no tech on her" (BOOOO!! Quit taking everything away from the Shimadas and giving it to Kiriko's family! It's giving Self Insert OC!) Kiriko was ONLY made to cash in on the idea of a secret third Clan sibling, and they just wanted to give her everything (Forcing her to be meta and constantly in the spotlight since launch). Hanzo and Genji are considered cool and popular characters too, and they wanted to shove Kiriko into that and be like "Look, she trained with them, so you HAVE to like her too", but they couldn't possibly make her older than 21 cuz then she couldn't be "Young and quirky" like Dva. Blizz struck gold when making the personality and traits of Hanzo, Genji, Dva, Mercy, and Tracer (The ACTUAL mascot) So they tried to replicate that and put ALL of the likable traits onto one hero, but they failed miserably. She's a Mary Sue character. - Or, you can just retcon her and her family from the lore entirely, and restart the Shimada Clan lore from the start before they started to ruin it. She can't ruin the lore if she isn't a part of it. I don't really care...
1. Hanzo is not a mascot of overwatch 2. As Rein main I am offended that you haven't included him. 3. Good idea tbh, i think mine is better but this is acceptable cuz it gets rid of magic
Why couldn't they say that fox spirit slows aging? They could make her a milf and a young character at the same time, imagine r34 stonks after that one
My problem with this is that they don't offer a definitive answer to this, when they solved the same problem with Mei. If you go to her wiki page, she has two distinct ages: her biological age, and her chronological age. Michael Chu even directly acknowledged that her age on the website is representative of her biological age and didn't account for her time in cryostasis. Literally all they need is a footnote saying that her biological and chronological ages are different.
This is what I started to think too. The problem is Blizzard says there is no magic in OW……..then proceed to make multiple heroes that basically use magic
You absolutely cooked here... but the funnieat thing is fixing Kiri's lore in a way thay keeps her current age could be as simple as changing some phrasing from her knowing the Shimada brothers since they were "ALL kids" to her know them since "SHE was a kid" but...noooo Blizzard has ipad baby brainrot and doesn't exactly think 😞
There was another continuity snarl I noticed that not many others seem to be picking up on. On Kiriko's Blizzard page, it mentions Sojiro's death happened when she was twelve years old, 9 years before the events of overwatch 2 (wherein Kiriko is 21) This *also* happens to place Genji's age at the time of his duel with Hazo, which we know happened soon after the death of their father. Genji would have have been 28 when he was almost killed by his brother, and subsquently taken in by Overwatch where he spent a year or so recovering and getting his cybernetics. Now the issue... Retribution, the archives mission that Genji took part in to hunt down Antonio Bartalotti in Rialto, happened 8 years before Recall, Recall happened during Overewatch 1, when Genji was thrity five. Doing a little math, we see that Genji was... 27 during that mission. Genji was already working with Blackwatch a year before he fought with his brother, got his cybernetics and joined Blackwatch... Maybe tracer taking the Slipstream messed with more than her own timeline /s
i'mma say it.. kiriko lore was bad from the start and blizzard knew it, thats why they gave her a cinematic showing her fighting the hashimoto guys with little to no information abt her lore or the spirit fox... every cinematic explains even if a little bit of the character and what they are about, but kiriko's feel.... bland? idk btw nice videoo!!
Thank you! But yeah nah her lore was a bit uh wack and honestly for blizzard being a kiri simp I would’ve thought they would’ve made her lore a lot more cohesive
Excellently done video!! Kiriko is a character where I love seeing other's readings of her far more than what we're given in canon, and how contrived her canon lore is breaks my heart because she had the potential to be something so special.
@@OkayyKimi dont worry they'll overcomplicate it but do so in such a way where it doesnt explain anything and just makes her current lore issues worse LMAO
They could have just made the shimadas her tutors as she got older since their mother taught them the blade, they didn't have to grow up with her. Or they could have just made her a member of the shimada clan without being part of the head family
The funny thing is they try to make the whole Kiriko can’t be in her thirties because of her just moving out of her moms house thing, despite the fact that a lot of SEA countries have people staying with their parents until then.
So, Hanzo is 3 years older than Genji, while Genji is apparently 16 years older than Kiriko? I think the age gap is 10 years too wide, and it's probably the Shimadas who are too old. If the Shimadas were 10 years younger, then in the origin story image they could train together at 15, 12, and 6 years old respectively, which seems to be plausible, then when they have their fight 9 years before OW2, Genji would be 18 or just old enough for Hanzo to fight him for inheritance of the Shimada throne, then join blackwatch as a reckless young man instead of being close to 30. The main problem is that it makes Hanzo only 30 in OW2, but his graying hairs can be explained by the stress of constantly being on the run from the crime families around and grief over apparently killing his brother.
The Shimada Bros ages shouldn't change. They were in the game LONG before Kiriko. If anyone should have their age changed, it's her. Doing that would most likely just lead to more inconsistencies.
@candy1049 Genji being 10 years younger means he could be around the same age as Tracer (not counting her condition making her 2 years younger), which seems to make sense based on when we see them training 9 years ago.
I want an in lore reason why she’s so nice and happy in her animated short and is a total bitch in game bc it makes me sad (I love her I play her all the time idc man but I need to know)
Great video! It makes more sense than the lore! Tbh, they put as much thought into her lore as they did with her balancing. All jokes aside, her real lore is a glorified fan fiction but I am glad to see people put actual brain energy into making Kiri into a real character with a real personality, unlike Blizzard.
Thank you! Ngl I was a little nervous that my rambles wouldn’t make sense LOL since I don’t do well with scripts I would just put one word on my notes or one sentence and go off on that 🫡 but trust me I didn’t even think about that until I was watching tangled LOL
Theirs no reason blizzard cant just admit this was an oopsie. And either change her age to match theirs closer. Or just make it as others have said that she ages slower so while she would be 35 or something shes 21 appearance wise because of the fox spirit.
The idea of Kiriko's mom training Genji and Hanzo while being pregnant with Kiri is honestly kind of badass tbh. I personally dont think its that weird if Genji was like 24 being trained while kiri was like 8. Its not like they signed up for the same class, kiri was just the teacher's daughter who tagged along. And genji could have already been training with her mom for like 10 years before kiri even showed up to a class, they didn't necessarily start training at the same time. Theres this idea that they all grew up together but I dont think thats really said anywhere, its more so like genji and hanzo watched her grow up.
I wouldn’t mind if they were training together but the only thing that makes me confused is the art shows them like young or at least not in their 20s But yes I agree I’d Asa was training them while preggers that’s a fuckin power move
So I’m not sure if anyone else has said this, but my personal favorite theory on how Kiriko is so young is that the Shimada’s age through trauma. So Genji and Hanzo automatically aged up 10 years through the whole “sending Genji to the shadow realm ” thing. It’s mostly a joke theory, but it’s still my favorite answer.
Kiriko would've been like negative 10 but yes from mid twenties to near 30s would makes sense. Plus having to change her interactions would be more suitable and away from the bratty attitude. I main Kiri and she's my favorite. I try to be not annoying against others
I play a lot of kiri too and ngl she's a bit of a brat sometimes, especially the rein one which is like "So you're not the loud one...okay...?" Idk if its supposed to come off as charming but to me it's like o-o wtf did you say to my boy rein
there is no lore its all literally been retconned since the release of ow2. theyve been pretty blunt and clear about having 0 intention on continuing on the lore but only focusing on adding more ethnic heroes. hell venture is straight up just a random archeologist who just has mining gear. thats literally gonna be the extent of every upcoming heroes "lore" is that they just EXIST.
@OkayKimi yeah, but it's tied with the iris and omnic sentience, which is at least a science fantasy explanation. The Shimadas and Kiriko just have unexplained magic.
@@eldritch3465 ahh I see I must’ve missed that 😅 I read someone’s comment saying that their magic was formed with their weapons from Kiri’s dad since he was blacksmith! But if I find the link I’ll update this comment!
Kiriko is like a character from an Overwatch knock-off... I suppose she is from an Overwatch knock-off actually. I once had a design for an Overwatch hero who was from the Hashimoto clan, she was heavily armoured with a naginata; kinda like a Japanese Reinhardt. Meanwhile at Blizzard HQ here is a cute anime girl.
There is a big hole in your explanation. There is no magic in overwatch but I have a solution! Sojiro had an affair with Asa after which she got pregnant (they kept it a secret that's why players/kiriko/genji hanzo never knew). We also know that only shimadas control dragons (and they are not magic, and I think only they can control them cuz they have a special brain chip or smth which controls nanobots/hard light which forms a dragon form) (back to the topic) and since Kiriko is a bastard she could not get to control dragons cuz it would be terribly obvious, yet her biological father knew that she will need protection. After Sojiro overheard kiriko's delusional grandma telling kiriko stories about Kitsune he decided that she will get a Fox "spitit" instead of dragons to hide her real heritage. After the surgery she had a bowl cut mentioned in a interaction with genji and she does not remember because she had brain surgery and strong medication which is also mentioned in said interaction. Also she was 5 years old when she was training with shimadas and she is too proud to admit that she was not training with them but she was just spectacting every training session cuz she didn't want to go to preschool and went with her mother to her job. When she got older her mom taught her the same things later however she had few sessions with adult shimada brothers and she uses it as an excuse. Furthermore this theory gets rid of time travel (which is stupid since there is no magic in overwatch and she was not a pilot of an experimental fighter jet) cuz teleporting with nanobots is acceptable since laws of physics is genji's daily routine, also cleanse, her ult and her healing is explainable with the same tech genji and hanzo can harness.
@@OkayyKimi and that would be cool to reveal in a novel or smth and nobody will be mad that blizzard "changed its mind" and they could simply say it was her lore from her launch
I think they made her so young and flung lore outvthe window because they knew she was going to be mercy 2.0 in terms of skin sales and popularity, shes obviously the favorite child of the ow2 heros. The issue is mercy still looks young so her actually BEING that young makes no sense outside of killing lore
If you ask me - She didn't need to be actively connected to the Shimada Brothers or the clan at all. I think they could've very easily just made her mom a local, everyday swordsman teacher (Instead of the "best sword master in the world", which just seems like lazy and exaggerated writing, and just pretentious in general). The brothers most likely would've been trained by the Clan's own elders regularly, and Kiriko could've just been some little kid who wanted her mom (Who never trained the brothers) to train her too. Only for her to be like, "I don't want you anywhere near that."
Which, to me, seems far more interesting than what we got.
Genji and Hanzo's lore wouldn't need to change, but the general idea for Kiriko is still there (just separate). Instead, Blizzard decides to completely butcher the power and character of Hanzo, Genji, and the Shimada Clan in favor of giving everything to her and her family. Even saying that the brothers were taught to wall climb by Asa, and then removing the Spirit Dragons and trying to say, "Yeah, it's just technology in the weapon that was forged by Kiriko's dad. Oh, but you know, Kiriko can literally teleport and has a spirit fox even though she has no tech on her" (BOOOO!! Quit taking everything away from the Shimadas and giving it to Kiriko's family! It's giving Self Insert OC!)
Kiriko was ONLY made to cash in on the idea of a secret third Clan sibling, and they just wanted to give her everything (Forcing her to be meta and constantly in the spotlight since launch). Hanzo and Genji are considered cool and popular characters too, and they wanted to shove Kiriko into that and be like "Look, she trained with them, so you HAVE to like her too", but they couldn't possibly make her older than 21 cuz then she couldn't be "Young and quirky" like Dva.
Blizz struck gold when making the personality and traits of Hanzo, Genji, Dva, Mercy, and Tracer (The ACTUAL mascot) So they tried to replicate that and put ALL of the likable traits onto one hero, but they failed miserably. She's a Mary Sue character.
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Or, you can just retcon her and her family from the lore entirely, and restart the Shimada Clan lore from the start before they started to ruin it. She can't ruin the lore if she isn't a part of it. I don't really care...
1. Hanzo is not a mascot of overwatch
2. As Rein main I am offended that you haven't included him.
3. Good idea tbh, i think mine is better but this is acceptable cuz it gets rid of magic
I'm not reading allat
@@yoda5937it was a good read, increase your attention span.
i wish they just wouldve made her around the age of genji and hanzo. she looks young yeah but i think she could pass for a 30 something year old.
Honestly me too idk why it bugs me so much that her age is like wrong but it does LOL
I heard someone describe her as a self insert once and all of a sudden everything about her made a lot more sense 😭
@@masdontcare me too! this lines up with that comment so much i realize
Fr if illari is 18 then kiriko can be 30
Why couldn't they say that fox spirit slows aging? They could make her a milf and a young character at the same time, imagine r34 stonks after that one
i like to think that the fox spirit makes her younger/age slower
That’s actually a cute theory 👀 idk why my theory is so complicated LOL
My problem with this is that they don't offer a definitive answer to this, when they solved the same problem with Mei. If you go to her wiki page, she has two distinct ages: her biological age, and her chronological age. Michael Chu even directly acknowledged that her age on the website is representative of her biological age and didn't account for her time in cryostasis. Literally all they need is a footnote saying that her biological and chronological ages are different.
Shimadas age through tragedies
@@thatoneguy7715 I laughed so hard every piece of paper on my desk flew into the air
This is what I started to think too. The problem is Blizzard says there is no magic in OW……..then proceed to make multiple heroes that basically use magic
You absolutely cooked here... but the funnieat thing is fixing Kiri's lore in a way thay keeps her current age could be as simple as changing some phrasing from her knowing the Shimada brothers since they were "ALL kids" to her know them since "SHE was a kid" but...noooo Blizzard has ipad baby brainrot and doesn't exactly think 😞
HONESTLY you’re not wrong blizzard could do a simple fix like that but would they? No🥺
My stupid concept I did once was "kiriko is the kitsune, " and just committed aging fuckery and laughs at how "old" genji and hanzo are
There was another continuity snarl I noticed that not many others seem to be picking up on.
On Kiriko's Blizzard page, it mentions Sojiro's death happened when she was twelve years old, 9 years before the events of overwatch 2 (wherein Kiriko is 21)
This *also* happens to place Genji's age at the time of his duel with Hazo, which we know happened soon after the death of their father. Genji would have have been 28 when he was almost killed by his brother, and subsquently taken in by Overwatch where he spent a year or so recovering and getting his cybernetics.
Now the issue...
Retribution, the archives mission that Genji took part in to hunt down Antonio Bartalotti in Rialto, happened 8 years before Recall, Recall happened during Overewatch 1, when Genji was thrity five. Doing a little math, we see that Genji was... 27 during that mission.
Genji was already working with Blackwatch a year before he fought with his brother, got his cybernetics and joined Blackwatch...
Maybe tracer taking the Slipstream messed with more than her own timeline /s
Ooo maybe that could be another reason or way for the timeline being wack
“Yeah I’m a Rapunzle main (or OTP) in OW2” - can’t wait to use that line in game
Oh lord I wonder how many people are gonna ask you questions about that LOL
No but you cooked with this time theory, I’m sold because the spaghetti lore
Thank you for listening to my Ted talk 🫡
i'mma say it.. kiriko lore was bad from the start and blizzard knew it, thats why they gave her a cinematic showing her fighting the hashimoto guys with little to no information abt her lore or the spirit fox... every cinematic explains even if a little bit of the character and what they are about, but kiriko's feel.... bland? idk
btw nice videoo!!
Thank you!
But yeah nah her lore was a bit uh wack and honestly for blizzard being a kiri simp I would’ve thought they would’ve made her lore a lot more cohesive
Excellently done video!! Kiriko is a character where I love seeing other's readings of her far more than what we're given in canon, and how contrived her canon lore is breaks my heart because she had the potential to be something so special.
Thank you! Lol it was fun to really overcomplicate her lore since I’m sure blizzard won’t do it 😅
@@OkayyKimi dont worry they'll overcomplicate it but do so in such a way where it doesnt explain anything and just makes her current lore issues worse LMAO
I will now reference this to confuse my friends whenever I play Kirk.
MatPat retired, but at least we have Kimi 🙏🙏🙏
I miss matpat must do my part for him 🫡
They should’ve just had Hanzo and Genji be, like, mentor figures. It really wasn’t that hard to fix it idk how they messed it up so bad
9:10 I mean, clearly Hanzo and Genji are just time travelling their enemies forward, to being dead
If only that worked in real game 😢
so basically, The fox spirit is just Crazy Diamond in disguise
I MEANNNNN 👀
They could have just made the shimadas her tutors as she got older since their mother taught them the blade, they didn't have to grow up with her. Or they could have just made her a member of the shimada clan without being part of the head family
@@MrProdigy810 Ong that would’ve been such an easy fix but blizzard nah
literally mercy behavior to stay young using their magic tech
Mercy do be looking pretty bad Ngl
I like to think it wasn’t Kiriko, but her mom when she was younger.
Shimada brothers didn’t meet Kiriko until she was born.
I wouldn’t mind that!
Started watching your videos yesterday your super chill new sub
Thank you :)
you chill af
The funny thing is they try to make the whole Kiriko can’t be in her thirties because of her just moving out of her moms house thing, despite the fact that a lot of SEA countries have people staying with their parents until then.
So, Hanzo is 3 years older than Genji, while Genji is apparently 16 years older than Kiriko? I think the age gap is 10 years too wide, and it's probably the Shimadas who are too old. If the Shimadas were 10 years younger, then in the origin story image they could train together at 15, 12, and 6 years old respectively, which seems to be plausible, then when they have their fight 9 years before OW2, Genji would be 18 or just old enough for Hanzo to fight him for inheritance of the Shimada throne, then join blackwatch as a reckless young man instead of being close to 30. The main problem is that it makes Hanzo only 30 in OW2, but his graying hairs can be explained by the stress of constantly being on the run from the crime families around and grief over apparently killing his brother.
I’m 22 years old and can confirm white hairs came from stress of C++
The Shimada Bros ages shouldn't change. They were in the game LONG before Kiriko. If anyone should have their age changed, it's her.
Doing that would most likely just lead to more inconsistencies.
@candy1049 Genji being 10 years younger means he could be around the same age as Tracer (not counting her condition making her 2 years younger), which seems to make sense based on when we see them training 9 years ago.
As a kiriko player thank you
I got chu
I want an in lore reason why she’s so nice and happy in her animated short and is a total bitch in game bc it makes me sad (I love her I play her all the time idc man but I need to know)
Honestly good question 🤔 different kiris?
Great video! It makes more sense than the lore!
Tbh, they put as much thought into her lore as they did with her balancing.
All jokes aside, her real lore is a glorified fan fiction but I am glad to see people put actual brain energy into making Kiri into a real character with a real personality, unlike Blizzard.
Thank you! Ngl I was a little nervous that my rambles wouldn’t make sense LOL since I don’t do well with scripts I would just put one word on my notes or one sentence and go off on that 🫡 but trust me I didn’t even think about that until I was watching tangled LOL
Theirs no reason blizzard cant just admit this was an oopsie. And either change her age to match theirs closer. Or just make it as others have said that she ages slower so while she would be 35 or something shes 21 appearance wise because of the fox spirit.
The idea of Kiriko's mom training Genji and Hanzo while being pregnant with Kiri is honestly kind of badass tbh.
I personally dont think its that weird if Genji was like 24 being trained while kiri was like 8. Its not like they signed up for the same class, kiri was just the teacher's daughter who tagged along. And genji could have already been training with her mom for like 10 years before kiri even showed up to a class, they didn't necessarily start training at the same time.
Theres this idea that they all grew up together but I dont think thats really said anywhere, its more so like genji and hanzo watched her grow up.
I wouldn’t mind if they were training together but the only thing that makes me confused is the art shows them like young or at least not in their 20s
But yes I agree I’d Asa was training them while preggers that’s a fuckin power move
nah i think Kiriko ages slower from the spirit, keeping it quick and simple since i ain't really care about it
So I’m not sure if anyone else has said this, but my personal favorite theory on how Kiriko is so young is that the Shimada’s age through trauma. So Genji and Hanzo automatically aged up 10 years through the whole “sending Genji to the shadow realm ” thing. It’s mostly a joke theory, but it’s still my favorite answer.
I actually haven't seen this one LOL but this one is pretty good I've seen that the fox spirit ages her slower
I have to admit that Kiriko’s lore (her age) is just bad even tho I’m the biggest Kiriko simp😭
Kiriko would've been like negative 10 but yes from mid twenties to near 30s would makes sense. Plus having to change her interactions would be more suitable and away from the bratty attitude. I main Kiri and she's my favorite. I try to be not annoying against others
I play a lot of kiri too and ngl she's a bit of a brat sometimes, especially the rein one which is like "So you're not the loud one...okay...?" Idk if its supposed to come off as charming but to me it's like o-o wtf did you say to my boy rein
Kiriko is the most precious girl in Overwatch. We need to cherish her
there is no lore its all literally been retconned since the release of ow2. theyve been pretty blunt and clear about having 0 intention on continuing on the lore but only focusing on adding more ethnic heroes. hell venture is straight up just a random archeologist who just has mining gear. thats literally gonna be the extent of every upcoming heroes "lore" is that they just EXIST.
Ye that’s why they let go of a lot of the writers (sadly) idk if I can find the post or forum but a lot of people were let go 🫠
It's a good start, but japanese ppl being uniquely magical still needs answers
Wait doesnt Zen also have somewhat magical powers with his orbs?
@OkayKimi yeah, but it's tied with the iris and omnic sentience, which is at least a science fantasy explanation. The Shimadas and Kiriko just have unexplained magic.
@@eldritch3465 ahh I see I must’ve missed that 😅
I read someone’s comment saying that their magic was formed with their weapons from Kiri’s dad since he was blacksmith! But if I find the link I’ll update this comment!
Kiriko is like a character from an Overwatch knock-off... I suppose she is from an Overwatch knock-off actually.
I once had a design for an Overwatch hero who was from the Hashimoto clan, she was heavily armoured with a naginata; kinda like a Japanese Reinhardt. Meanwhile at Blizzard HQ here is a cute anime girl.
Mercy also doesn't age though.
She’s 39 which makes sense idk if she stopped aging tho
What about cassidy's hindering nade, it deactivates tracer's time traveling but can't do squat against suzu 🤔
👀 I didn’t even think about that I forgot they changed it hold up I’m gonna need to go back to the drawing board and see if tangled could explain it 👀
There is a big hole in your explanation. There is no magic in overwatch but I have a solution! Sojiro had an affair with Asa after which she got pregnant (they kept it a secret that's why players/kiriko/genji hanzo never knew). We also know that only shimadas control dragons (and they are not magic, and I think only they can control them cuz they have a special brain chip or smth which controls nanobots/hard light which forms a dragon form) (back to the topic) and since Kiriko is a bastard she could not get to control dragons cuz it would be terribly obvious, yet her biological father knew that she will need protection. After Sojiro overheard kiriko's delusional grandma telling kiriko stories about Kitsune he decided that she will get a Fox "spitit" instead of dragons to hide her real heritage. After the surgery she had a bowl cut mentioned in a interaction with genji and she does not remember because she had brain surgery and strong medication which is also mentioned in said interaction. Also she was 5 years old when she was training with shimadas and she is too proud to admit that she was not training with them but she was just spectacting every training session cuz she didn't want to go to preschool and went with her mother to her job. When she got older her mom taught her the same things later however she had few sessions with adult shimada brothers and she uses it as an excuse. Furthermore this theory gets rid of time travel (which is stupid since there is no magic in overwatch and she was not a pilot of an experimental fighter jet) cuz teleporting with nanobots is acceptable since laws of physics is genji's daily routine, also cleanse, her ult and her healing is explainable with the same tech genji and hanzo can harness.
Wait Asa with an affair would’ve been absolutely bonkers and straight out of a soap opera
@@OkayyKimi and that would be cool to reveal in a novel or smth and nobody will be mad that blizzard "changed its mind" and they could simply say it was her lore from her launch
I think they made her so young and flung lore outvthe window because they knew she was going to be mercy 2.0 in terms of skin sales and popularity, shes obviously the favorite child of the ow2 heros.
The issue is mercy still looks young so her actually BEING that young makes no sense outside of killing lore
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case like I said rule 34 is a scary and influential thing LOL