I was really hoping you'd look back at the ground you'd been walking on, or at doorknobs / surfaces you touched. I got a chance a few years ago to do a search & rescue training exercise with the local SES group with a much older thermal camera. Myself and a few others took off into some fairly dense scrub / forest and the SES crew tracked us down with their camera. It was amazing to see footsteps and handprints on trees we had left even hours before show up clear as day in infrared.
You can get other brands with similar sized sensor for much less, yes. But like everything, I guess it comes down to the small things? As always, if you don't like the price, buy another band, that's how competition works.
You must be a very persuasive guy, Dave to walk out of their shop with one of those beauties. But then again, it comes back to you when you give. I may not have the money for a flir but I just bought a multi off trio. Good on you guys. It was interesting to see the responses from the environment. Easy to see why cities are hotter at night with the heat given off from all the concrete.
Your so right! I have many things I can think off, But I'm not buying any more toys this year. Dave, you made me panda to my tool obsesions way to much this year already.
Dave: the visible light camera on the E-series units actually can see the laser dot and show on the screen the exact point where the laser dot coincides with the thermal image.
Well... After 9 months I finally pulled the trigger and bought the E60 with MSX which is the newer generation. Thank you so much for this review, I've watched it several times and just decided to stop putting it off.
The "freezing" is normal. It's a calibration step. It closes a shutter and compares the temperature of the shutter measured by the microbolometer with the temperature measured by a thermocouple or something like that.
Hey Dave! I'm not sure how much longer you will have access to this awesome device at your home, but I would love to see a shot of your car's engine actually running. Even better if it could be rev'd up and down to see the temperature actively changing. Thanks for the neat video.
This camera has a touchscreen btw. And another very important setting is the emission coefficient... the shown temperature reading in default is valid for black bodies only.
Cool video. Thanks, Dave! We have an E60 that we mostly use for thermal design. We are building a cutting-edge humanoid robot and squeezing all the power electronics inside a human-sized system is difficult-enough. When you add to that all the heat dissipation of the motor drivers, the motors, the high-end machine vision cameras etc., you quickly realize that there's just no way to do it without a thermal camera. I used to put my fingers on the critical components, to check for overheating. I got tired of burning my fingertips, *really quickly*... :) We love the E60. Great resolution (for thermal) and very wide temperature range. It's really great to be able to pull up the thermal image of a running PCB, next to EAGLE CAD and see exactly which components and PCB traces get hot and where you need to add more exposed copper + thermal vias...
lnpilot Open the JPEGs with FLIR Tools and you'll get much better resolution, along with the ability to change temp span, pallet, add measurements etc. This is because the FLIR JPEGs have extra metadata that actually stores all of the raw thermal info.
I know imagemagick/exiftool has support for FLIR Radiometric JPEGs, not sure how to use it though. 130.15.24.88/exiftool/forum/index.php?topic=4898.135
Edward Zhang Thanks. I'll check it out! I actually have my own image manipulation library with a large set of tools, scripting capability etc., so one of these days, I'll just have to dig into the FLIR JPEG format and add support for it... Thanks for letting me know about the format. Now I know what to look for!
Edward Zhang I just added rudimentary support for reading FLIR radiometric JPEGs to my image library. I get 16-bit lossless images now. No more crappy JPEG artifacts and the camera overlay GUI is gone, so I can see the sensor data better. Pretty cool! This thread was very helpful: u88.n24.queensu.ca/exiftool/forum/index.php?topic=4898.0 There are some weird issues though. At certain points in the pixel data, you have to skip 12 bytes in the input, for no good reason. Seems like a sensor-reading artifact. Not sure why FLIR would save it in the JPEG though, unless it's to make it more difficult to read with 3rd party tools...
Some other interesting things: - foot prints on the floor after people walk past or rub their feet - hand prints left on things - finding ballasts for lighting in the roof - your nostrils changing colour as you breathe....
He didn't say anything actually. But I only had it for a few hours. I'd rather Flir give the OK to tear one down, because if anything goes wrong Charles would have to eat the cost!
Fluke offered me one to review ages back, but then got all nervous, as it was "classified technology" outside the US. If I tore it down I would be in breach of some US federal law. *rolling eyes*
Believe it or not back in the 80s when I was in the NAVY on submarines and was a NUCK we had avhs flir type system to check for over temp systems around the nuclear pile. The have gotten a lot better over the years .
The freezing during calibration is accompanied by a clicking noise. This is an actual shutter closing in front of the sensor. The shutter has temp sensors on it and the sensor takes a picture of the shutter and the processor in the camera uses the known temperature of the shutter to calibrate the sensor. The display freezes during this so it can hide the cal image from the user. I have an E50 and the firmware has some bugs. Taking a photo during freeze gives a nasty error about the memory card.
Fun video! You could have played a trick on all of us by having someone hiding outside in the bushes that was picked up by the camera, but not said anything about it. Really cool platypus stained glass window!
The temp scale was changing up and down depending on the ranges in the screen... rather need. But you tend to think yellow is always really hot, when it's only a few degrees more...
I sort of agree with you there you can buy an FLIR i3 for 1150 here in the states and and E30 for 2900. However you have to think about how long this technology has been on the market and the type of market they are selling it to. Ive been watching the prices on these over the past few years and they have dropped dramatically
I bought one and like it. Have to get used to the setting since it's different from my old camera. Not impressed with FLIR's soft ware. I'm finding it extremely difficult to use and write reports with! I have the Tools+. Also their webinars that have been recorded prior, are put out with a low resolution so you can't really make out what's going on - very disappointing since I just spent about $7000.00 with them.
you were saying that you dont know why the flir e60 seems to freeze every one in a wile . the system need to calibrate it self every few minutes to be accurate enough for its uses
i would have loved a brief test of its accuracy. Saw a showdown between Flir and Fluke and it was like 25% difference in temp reading from the same relative short like 1 meter distance to the same source..and both of these claim +-2% Recall it was the Flike VT02 and Flir E4. but this older x0'series or the EX series have a big plus with their manual focus. in regards to the E4, E5, E6, E8 but one thing I still don't know if Flir handheld thermals are able to, is to lock the span or reference the span so you don't get this blown out effect.. 11:42 here it would have been nice if you could lock the span and then dial it down so the heatsinks details became more visible, and you reference the rangespan to that higher temp, so you get details on certain things that is of interests.. example. Seek pro fast frame 20hz from 2016 that were like 300 bucks on Ebay so a way different pricesegment. looking at 2x resistors at 1.25x2mm th-cam.com/video/5hXQHaloQg8/w-d-xo.html
Why didn't you tell us about the touch-screen at 16:28, i use it all the time to move the measure spots around. And what about the WiFi and Bluetooth functions it haves? For the next live stream use it as your thermal webcam lol.
It would have been a great tool to go around and inspect what you can't see before you purchase a particular property...maybe I didn't present it correctly. She just asked "how much" then "NO". But as you know -- it's always easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.
When are we going to get 4K resolution thermal cameras with a nice f1.4 lens (with adjustable aperture), and a lens mount capable of handling an anamorphic lens so you don't lose as much detail when going from a 4:3 sensor to a final output of 16:9. And to top it all off, they should make sure the sensor can capture 13 stops of dynamic range. That will make the price match more closely with what you would get with a good professional camera.
It seems to auto min/max range quite well Like an auto contrast.. Did you try it off auto for referance purposes. Otherwise the colour scale won't make sence from one thing to the other, repeatability and all. Have a Great Xmas.
Hi I am a fan of your videos. I love when you make funny comments about every little tiny parts while teardown. That makes these videos more enjoyable. Anyway, I was wondering if you could give away one of your flir thermal imaging cameras. I always wanted to buy one to try looking into my desktop and laptop board trying to locate where it is overheating. But the the price is always so high. I am a physics student at Utrecht Netherlands.
For that money you would think they would have the laser dot follow as best it could with the focus point mounted on somthing similar to a cd's laser mount. Stick an encoder on the focus ring and there yere have it Thats my idea and want my cut :D
My son works for Flir in a clean room. He brings home some pretty cool scopes that they produce for the military.
I was really hoping you'd look back at the ground you'd been walking on, or at doorknobs / surfaces you touched. I got a chance a few years ago to do a search & rescue training exercise with the local SES group with a much older thermal camera. Myself and a few others took off into some fairly dense scrub / forest and the SES crew tracked us down with their camera. It was amazing to see footsteps and handprints on trees we had left even hours before show up clear as day in infrared.
You can get other brands with similar sized sensor for much less, yes. But like everything, I guess it comes down to the small things? As always, if you don't like the price, buy another band, that's how competition works.
You must be a very persuasive guy, Dave to walk out of their shop with one of those beauties. But then again, it comes back to you when you give. I may not have the money for a flir but I just bought a multi off trio. Good on you guys. It was interesting to see the responses from the environment. Easy to see why cities are hotter at night with the heat given off from all the concrete.
Your so right! I have many things I can think off, But I'm not buying any more toys this year. Dave, you made me panda to my tool obsesions way to much this year already.
Dave: the visible light camera on the E-series units actually can see the laser dot and show on the screen the exact point where the laser dot coincides with the thermal image.
Well... After 9 months I finally pulled the trigger and bought the E60 with MSX which is the newer generation.
Thank you so much for this review, I've watched it several times and just decided to stop putting it off.
Hmm... I think that building an IR Camera would be a good starter project for our makerspace. Thanks for the idea Dave, good on ya mate!
The "freezing" is normal. It's a calibration step.
It closes a shutter and compares the temperature of the shutter measured by the microbolometer with the temperature measured by a thermocouple or something like that.
Hey Dave! I'm not sure how much longer you will have access to this awesome device at your home, but I would love to see a shot of your car's engine actually running. Even better if it could be rev'd up and down to see the temperature actively changing.
Thanks for the neat video.
This camera has a touchscreen btw. And another very important setting is the emission coefficient... the shown temperature reading in default is valid for black bodies only.
Cool video. Thanks, Dave!
We have an E60 that we mostly use for thermal design. We are building a cutting-edge humanoid robot and squeezing all the power electronics inside a human-sized system is difficult-enough.
When you add to that all the heat dissipation of the motor drivers, the motors, the high-end machine vision cameras etc., you quickly realize that there's just no way to do it without a thermal camera. I used to put my fingers on the critical components, to check for overheating. I got tired of burning my fingertips, *really quickly*...
:)
We love the E60. Great resolution (for thermal) and very wide temperature range.
It's really great to be able to pull up the thermal image of a running PCB, next to EAGLE CAD and see exactly which components and PCB traces get hot and where you need to add more exposed copper + thermal vias...
lnpilot Open the JPEGs with FLIR Tools and you'll get much better resolution, along with the ability to change temp span, pallet, add measurements etc.
This is because the FLIR JPEGs have extra metadata that actually stores all of the raw thermal info.
Edward Zhang Thanks. I figured something sneaky like that was going on! Unfortunately, the FLIR tools don't run on Linux, so those won't work for us.
I know imagemagick/exiftool has support for FLIR Radiometric JPEGs, not sure how to use it though.
130.15.24.88/exiftool/forum/index.php?topic=4898.135
Edward Zhang Thanks. I'll check it out! I actually have my own image manipulation library with a large set of tools, scripting capability etc., so one of these days, I'll just have to dig into the FLIR JPEG format and add support for it...
Thanks for letting me know about the format. Now I know what to look for!
Edward Zhang I just added rudimentary support for reading FLIR radiometric JPEGs to my image library. I get 16-bit lossless images now. No more crappy JPEG artifacts and the camera overlay GUI is gone, so I can see the sensor data better.
Pretty cool!
This thread was very helpful:
u88.n24.queensu.ca/exiftool/forum/index.php?topic=4898.0
There are some weird issues though. At certain points in the pixel data, you have to skip 12 bytes in the input, for no good reason.
Seems like a sensor-reading artifact. Not sure why FLIR would save it in the JPEG though, unless it's to make it more difficult to read with 3rd party tools...
Some other interesting things:
- foot prints on the floor after people walk past or rub their feet
- hand prints left on things
- finding ballasts for lighting in the roof
- your nostrils changing colour as you breathe....
He didn't say anything actually. But I only had it for a few hours. I'd rather Flir give the OK to tear one down, because if anything goes wrong Charles would have to eat the cost!
Fluke offered me one to review ages back, but then got all nervous, as it was "classified technology" outside the US. If I tore it down I would be in breach of some US federal law. *rolling eyes*
Believe it or not back in the 80s when I was in the NAVY on submarines and was a NUCK
we had avhs flir type system to check for over temp systems around the nuclear pile.
The have gotten a lot better over the years .
What happens if you point it at the sun?
The freezing during calibration is accompanied by a clicking noise. This is an actual shutter closing in front of the sensor. The shutter has temp sensors on it and the sensor takes a picture of the shutter and the processor in the camera uses the known temperature of the shutter to calibrate the sensor. The display freezes during this so it can hide the cal image from the user. I have an E50 and the firmware has some bugs. Taking a photo during freeze gives a nasty error about the memory card.
Fun video!
You could have played a trick on all of us by having someone hiding outside in the bushes that was picked up by the camera, but not said anything about it.
Really cool platypus stained glass window!
Nevermind the teardown, but I think I remember you either talking about, or doing a 1 m drop test on that one. Remind me, did you ever?
It is not above or below a certain temp, as you realize it added another cross which changes the threshold.
Very common for fire departments to use these to find lingering hot-spots in walls after the fire is out. Very cool tech.
When you put on the hat and sunglasses, It reminded me of The Invisible Man!!
The temp scale was changing up and down depending on the ranges in the screen... rather need. But you tend to think yellow is always really hot, when it's only a few degrees more...
Can you Live-stream to a smartphone or tablet?
Yes! You can!!! This was the main feature I was also looking for... :)
It's fun to go aout to a park at night with a TI cam and look for critters
Would they give off enough heat signature to register? A flea powered FM bug can go a long way, and a solid state recorder doesn't take much power.
I sort of agree with you there you can buy an FLIR i3 for 1150 here in the states and and E30 for 2900. However you have to think about how long this technology has been on the market and the type of market they are selling it to. Ive been watching the prices on these over the past few years and they have dropped dramatically
You can't see through the case - you're just seeing hotspots on the surface
I bought one and like it. Have to get used to the setting since it's different from my old camera. Not impressed with FLIR's soft ware. I'm finding it extremely difficult to use and write reports with! I have the Tools+. Also their webinars that have been recorded prior, are put out with a low resolution so you can't really make out what's going on - very disappointing since I just spent about $7000.00 with them.
you were saying that you dont know why the flir e60 seems to freeze every one in a wile .
the system need to calibrate it self every few minutes to be accurate enough for its uses
Nice vid Dave ... ! Also, @3:12, beautiful socks. I guess you don't have many THT in the lab, right ? :D
Well this is awesome, I hope the tech drops in price like normal cameras do, I would like to have one in 10-20 years. Would be awesome to have.
Yes, but what was Sagan playing with at the end? :) Looked fascinating :D
Freeze the board and watch with the camera for the rails to heat up because they will first and you might be able to see the track layout as it heats
cute wave at the end love it
as for the dust covers on the ports... i checked the datasheet, the E60 is rated for IP54.
Charles said: Don't you dare to TAKE IT APAAAART!
i would have loved a brief test of its accuracy.
Saw a showdown between Flir and Fluke and it was like 25% difference in temp reading from the same relative short like 1 meter distance to the same source..and both of these claim +-2%
Recall it was the Flike VT02 and Flir E4.
but this older x0'series or the EX series have a big plus with their manual focus. in regards to the E4, E5, E6, E8
but one thing I still don't know if Flir handheld thermals are able to, is to lock the span or reference the span so you don't get this blown out effect.. 11:42 here it would have been nice if you could lock the span and then dial it down so the heatsinks details became more visible, and you reference the rangespan to that higher temp, so you get details on certain things that is of interests..
example. Seek pro fast frame 20hz from 2016 that were like 300 bucks on Ebay so a way different pricesegment.
looking at 2x resistors at 1.25x2mm
th-cam.com/video/5hXQHaloQg8/w-d-xo.html
Why didn't you tell us about the touch-screen at 16:28, i use it all the time to move the measure spots around.
And what about the WiFi and Bluetooth functions it haves?
For the next live stream use it as your thermal webcam lol.
Is a Flir Camera really a help for Electronic repair?
Sure, it's a way to exclude component or to compare.
What do you think?
It would have been a great tool to go around and inspect what you can't see before you purchase a particular property...maybe I didn't present it correctly. She just asked "how much" then "NO".
But as you know -- it's always easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.
Use the grey mode when looking at objects with similar temp
Yeah, so many things you could do with this thing.
What would you like me to begin with?
When are we going to get 4K resolution thermal cameras with a nice f1.4 lens (with adjustable aperture), and a lens mount capable of handling an anamorphic lens so you don't lose as much detail when going from a 4:3 sensor to a final output of 16:9.
And to top it all off, they should make sure the sensor can capture 13 stops of dynamic range. That will make the price match more closely with what you would get with a good professional camera.
It seems to auto min/max range quite well Like an auto contrast.. Did you try it off auto for referance purposes. Otherwise the colour scale won't make sence from one thing to the other, repeatability and all. Have a Great Xmas.
Sagan is still playing with the Rigol, I see...
I really wish you could get an infrared camera that's reasonably priced - I've always wanted one. Why are they so expensive?
Well, Dave you did turn it on instead of taking apart. Im really disappointed.
I was half expecting Dave to take a tumble.
Sorry, Dave.
would it be possible for you to do some FLIR tear-downs? i'm looking at building a FLIR camera
11:05 Is that a TO-220 without goo? How does that make you feel dave?
I have the Fluke TiS, it does that same "freeze" calibrating thing and looks very similar to the Flir. Wonder if they make it for Fluke?
Reminds me of the movie Predator. That's a mighty expensive stud finder by the way.
bright corners: I think we need a better explanation :) anyone?
Wow ,i want one !
I heard that BHOT is good for navigating.
since you set the focus, wouldn't the distance be determined from that ?
Which is a good Thermal Camera for PCB debugging and Quality Assurance of passive components within a 8,000$ budget in 2019?
Thank you.
Still the same - Flir E60
Here, take my thumbs up for the Photon qoute :D
Cant wait till this thing will appear in smartphones, along with cofee machine:))
Nice camera! Wish the handle was removable.
that is crazy expensive, really would want to know why it has such a high price tags
Dave, what emissivity values did you use for the IC & the PCB?
what is more expensive night vision or such an thermal camera?
Dave drives a Nissan Dualis/Qashqai! Wow!
But the question is.... will it blend?
This is a good way to tell if Sagan needed a diaper change :)
It's not his FLIR. He just had it for just an afternoon, far to many options (many of which he doesn't even know of I guess) to show.
A Rigol DS1052E oscilloscope.
I had seriously considered getting one since we buy and rent numerous houses -- but the wife said no. :( I really only wanted it as a toy...
You could get a B/W FLIR for around 2000$ today, boating ppl use them.
great shit mate
Pretty sure it freezes to recalibrate the sensor.
cool video :) showing hot spots :D
Hi I am a fan of your videos. I love when you make funny comments about every little tiny parts while teardown. That makes these videos more enjoyable. Anyway, I was wondering if you could give away one of your flir thermal imaging cameras. I always wanted to buy one to try looking into my desktop and laptop board trying to locate where it is overheating. But the the price is always so high. I am a physics student at Utrecht Netherlands.
Today, you can buy this camera for under 2k ;-)
Heat reflection from inside the room.
Well that explains things. I should move to Optimum (Cablevision)
20 years ago IR camera like this would have been top secret. I wonder what the military is using atm.
did you try it with the lights off in the room?
Did you aim it at your junk?
Hi, where can I buy this camera?
how do you switch lens on this model?
Can you turn off the FLIR logo ? I hate every video shot through one of their imagers always being an advert for FLIR
Will a video ever not begin with "Hi!"... ?
Is the next review going to be a shoulder mounted nerf gun? If you catch my drift...
Cool toy but for the price of a car... aw hell no.
predator would make a hell of a repairman/alien :D
21:54 on thermal isnt the brighter part a heart?
Hello Dave'
Bad audio on this blog
What about 'lo?
You have french people in your pond?
Christmas trees! Christmas trees everywhere!!!
For that money you would think they would have the laser dot follow as best it could with the focus point mounted on somthing similar to a cd's laser mount. Stick an encoder on the focus ring and there yere have it Thats my idea and want my cut :D
what happend to "Dont Turn IT ON"
11:27 Dave literally can't even.
Nice try!
Nothing interesting in there. Just a JAMA board, PSU, and monitor.
It is a 60 Hz camera, why I don`t get data in every 1/60 of second
What do you mean by that?