Mos def is the Andre of the north and Andre is the mos def of the south this isn’t debatable literally two of the artist I grew up on because of how they flowed effortlessly thru beats and the acting ability they had matched the music they created always a different role or character
The Rawkus A&R was a guy named Ali. People gotta do their research on him but iykyk. Kanye took the entire play Ali mapped out for him and it worked. The previous artist Ali did the exact same thing with right before Kanye was Hitman who’s work essentially became The Chronic 2001. Small caveat as well but Ali is a Ralph Lauren historian and Ralph has had to rent vintage polo from Ali for numerous campaigns. Wouldn’t be a pink polo without Ali.
It would have been dope to have 3000 and Mos spit verses over “30 hours”. That was one of the biggest teases ever. Damn a debate, I just want to hear those cats on a song or two together.
Underrated statement. Biggest tease ever. And one of the best beats on a Kanye album in years. This really would be incredible, even just a 3 stacks verse would’ve sufficed
Mos Def blends his styles in and out during his verses, and switches flow differently. Almost like he has double perspectives and doesn't cross lines. He can tend to go on and on and when his audience goes wild he cho choo trains his rhymes and as the listener u have to be able to ride the wave with him leading it. Bc Mos Def aka Yasiin Bey is ahead of his time!
Folks keep acting like 3k’s guest verses don’t count for anything. Dude has 30+ verses since 2007. At least a dozen of those verses are legendary. No two are the same. He was quoted back in an article saying he’ll spit a verse better than most rapper’s albums, and that quote rings true 20 years later. Some folks don’t need a damn album to recognize that dude is one of the greats. Not many can do what he does. Anyone with ears can hear it.
Plus people act like all those Outkast albums don't count for something. He's in a similar spot as Lauryn Hill and Black Thought yet you never hear the "they dont have enough solo material line" towards them
@@662chillin because when those albums were coming out, everyone touted Big Boi over 3k... Now, Big Boi doesn't get spoken of as much... It started with Hey Ya!... I wonder why 🤔 given where we are as a society
" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be lyrically Talib Kweli " Jay Z - Moment of Clarity. Joe needs to re-listen Jay's catalogue. Kweli is a Mega MC !
Stop it ain’t hands down homie 3000 is a murder on MIC. Mos kills most rappers if not all these corns out now plus his under music buts him over dude easy
Beat sounded exactly the same. But why would u not wanna hear Blackstar over it? They can hang with the goats. Jayz will tell u himself. Mos def is insanely underrated
Lol it seems like Joe thought that Kanye made the original beat and he ended up selling it to Jay-Z for Brooklyn’s finest instead of selling it to MosDef and Kweli 😂 his timelines are messed up
@@nvm7191 yup. And I was confused too till I saw their outfits. Then on reply he said he was remaking it But they didn't play the remake no way lol I heard no change but black star was acting like it was a new beat
Mos Def aka Mos Talented. 3000 is a Legend. But, I can’t say he’s over Mos though because he opted out of the game. Mos been creating masterpieces in various forms.. -Mos really did an NFT style album you could only hear at a museum situation before NFTs existed lol. -Mos crashed an award show with his own stage on a truck and performed, “Katrina Clap” in protest. -Mos was on Chappelle Show, bruh. -Mos was bringing Afrobeat to HipHop before Afrobeats was popping - he got FELA on his first album Intro, bruh. 20 Years ahead of everybody lol. -Cadillac Records, Something the Lord Made. He made a HipHop Opera with Beyoncé, bruh. Brown Sugar 😂 (HipHop dalmations! 🤣). -The Umi Says Jordan commercial is GOATed. -Mos crashed 106 and Park. -Mos on Bill Maher Lol…. So many moments. 3 Stacks opted out of giving us those moments. Legendary guest verses. Hall of Famer. But… Mos built a resumé, fam.
The reason why Mos Def doesn't get his due is because he disappeared when he was super hot and his projects after his return weren't that great. He started with Blackstar and Black on Both Sides which are undoubtedly classic projects. The stuff after he returned was no where near that level. It's not a talent issue, it has to do more with resume. Mos wanted to explore other things outside of Rap and his discography suffered because of it.
Not true at all, New Danger got a lot of accolades. I can't lie it took a minute for that album to grow on me but it did and it's one of my favorites. True Magic wasn't the greatest but he had 3 to 4 ill joints on that album. You definitely can't front on The Ecstatic, that whole album is fire and he didn't curse on that entire project. I didn't even know Dec. 99th existed until last year or so and that album was kinda ok. But the real reason he said fuck it is because he was tried of putting all this hard work. Into his art and given penny's for it.
I love mos def, andre has one of the most interesting catalogs in the history of the genre also he’s a more versatile rapper, a better storyteller and arguably has more exciting flows
@@ericmclean4291 mos def has arguably one of the best albums of all time as a solo artist. Dre has one as well with the love below but probably not better than mos def's joint so they're both pretty equal in reality..
@@t.wynderogriffin798 "success" isn't even the topic at hand or why an MC is great. Andre would tell you that to your face. Drake is super successful and has lots of hits. Is he in your top five? Because he damn sure ain't in mine. Music and people's taste in music is subjective and record sales and success have nothing to do with somebody being better. Not even a worth a convo if you don't understand that!!
@@nerdbamarich2063 Naw. Black on Both Sides is in my top 10 best hip hop albums of all time but we can't pretend like those other joints don't exist. He stepped away when he was absolutely on fire and it wasn't the same after that. The reason why Mos Def's talent doesn't get the praise it deserves is because his resume is lacking.
Mos Def and Rawkus records is the underground NYC that was super real and in effect. That was my high school days! Good music….they didn’t want to be known and mainstream. They wanted to rep the underdog, backpackers, the taggers and all alike…much love to that side of NYC….MY NYC!
Came from that whole era and they were boring. They probably stayed relevant off industry connections because nobody listened to them in NYC like that.
Fam Mos is definitely one of the greats but that’s 3Stacks my g, people been waiting for a new Outkast or solo project from Andre for years so heavy that the shits become a meme, niggas ain’t talkin bout Mos Def and Black Star the same way they talk bout Andre 3000 and Outkast
That’s very true. Talib took Kanye on his first tour, evidence helped produce on college dropout. Rawkus definitely had a hand in Kanye’s early success
Both are legends and Mos was one of my favourites but something off happened when he became Yasiin, in terms of his passion to rhyme, output. Andre is more consistent for me and arguably got better with time. Every Andre feature is a moment lol.
Mos Def 1996-2009 is still 100% better than André 3000 now & before in my opinion. He's in my top 5 & Black On Both > The Love Below but that's just me.
@@DuckDodgers345 you said 100% better in what way? Lyrics? Flow? If you're not familiar with 3 Stacks just say that lol. You compared Mos' first album (a classic) with Andre's last...Atliens, Aquemini and Stankonia are all classics
@@MrBreisMusic * Nah, I'm not here to do any of this before & after gymnastics but to talk about their stuff as a whole & trust me I'm familiar with Dre (Top 10 imo but Mos is top 5): 1. The only think you can give 3K'S are the verses he did on those OK albums because like i said big boi is there & those aren't André 3000 songs but OK songs so I'll only accept what he rapped on them. 2. - Black Star lyricism > SPCM (easily) - Black On Both Sides lyricism > ATL'S (easily) - Black Star + Black On Both Sides lyricism > Aquemini (let's be honest) - The New Danger lyrically > Idlewild (I'll take this to my grave) - The Estatic lyrically> Stankonia (The truth hurts but we must accept it to move on) - The Love Below > True Magic (You can have this one, feel good for now) 3. ●Features: André 3000 > Mos Def (facts) ●Solo Songs: Mos Def > André 3000 (facts/more valuable) ●Features + Solo Songs: Mos Def > André 3000 (appreciate mos before it's too late) ■ OVERALL MAN IT'S MOS ALL DAY SO IDK WHAT EVERYONE IS GETTING AT, HE JUST EXPOSES DRE FOR BEING A TAD BIT OVERRATED WITH HIS PRESENCE & THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THEIR BOTH LEGENDS BUT THE TRUTH HAS TO BE SAID. 🤷🏽♂️
Mos all day; duo classics and solo classics. Amazing rhyme schemes, flow, bangers and catchy songs, great voice, and plus he did amazing in freestyles. Name another rapper who could do that and also write deep subject shit.
@@enzocabrera4440 You don’t need to be that deep to be a great MC. Right time? What bullshit are you on, if he was in the 90’s/2000’s and dropped TPAB or GKMC niggas will be calling him ahead of his time. Get the fuck outta here
I have never heard on Mos in an top 10 conversation, but I consistently here 3 Stacks names mentioned. I gets down with Mos hard, but 3 Stacks all day.
That’s not even a question 3stacks is not afraid to be himself. Mos def just a conscious rapper But Andre can rap on anything and keep up with all genres in every era of rap
@@t-god2439 Aquemeni puts the debate to bed by itself. Then you add in Stankonia.... it's not even a fair fight. Every time Andre 3000 features on someone else's music he always outshines them. I like Mos Def, but not close.
@@Allison_Chaynes I think it’s closer than you think Mos first album is a classic he by himself has a classic album something andre has never done and black star is also a good album he also has some classic verses as well
I’m a young mexican that gets high asfc on my TH-cam channel as my job.. i hate that there isn’t any Mexicans at the top.. i love all races but it makes me sad no one like me is at top .
If I see and Andre verse I'm clicking that asap and it's gonna be legendary as fuck. With that being said I cant out him over mos def andi can't remember the last time I heard a song from dude. Can't choose, it seems wrong
That's close.. but in terms of skill, innovation, originality and lasting influence, Andres 3000 takes this slightly. Love Mos a lot though and is one of my favorites but objectively speaking, 3K got this.
Think they slick trying to correct the title😂 anyways as much as I love Mos Def 3 Stacks as a rapper makes you feel out of this world its like listening to a Poet from another galaxy
@@TheNyion912 and who cares bro all the classic work in OutKast plus all them amazing features at this point I Don t need an album anymore because if he does give one people are probably gonna say it was mid or whatever cuz he waited too long like they do with so much albums these days
I think the only person that was missing from the Kanye documentary was producer Deric “D.Dot” Angelettie of Bad Boy, who put Kanye in the game in the late 90s by taking him under his wing for 3 years. That’s how Kanye ended up working with Mase, Jermaine Dupri, Lil’ Kim, Foxy Brown, the Bad Boy camp and he also introduced Kanye to Roc-A-Fella. People never knew about this.
Love the music Mos and Andre have dropped to this day. However on a head to head...I think Most def is the better Lyricist and that means alot to me when you're a MC
I like mos Def. At one point a lot. But there's nothing he does that pharaoh monch doesn't do better. And Andre 3k is better at those unique flow switching singing rapping styles than both of them.
The title is disrespectful. Mos has been my favorite all-time rapper for a minute. That’s him to the left in my profile picture alongside Kweli. ‘Black on Both Sides’ and ‘Black Star’ are two unimpeachable classics. He’s got a strong discography beyond those but he experimented on the following two albums and some critics weren’t feeling it but they were still quality. ‘The Ecstatic’ was a damn good album too. Not going to get into the versus debate. 3000 is a legend, as is Mos. They did bring up an interesting point about Mos being from BK but not rapping about subjects a lot of dudes from there rap about and thus being underrated. It happens with a lot of rappers.
@@blackmcbain3145 Not a classic for me but ‘U R the One’ and ‘Lifetime’ rank highly on my list of top Mos tracks. The “tall Israeli” line was from ‘The Rape Over’, which was actually on the previous album ’The New Danger’.
When Andre 3000 love below drop it was a game charger in hip hop on what would be considered hip hop. Add Outkast as a group and his features he definitely over Mos Def. Truth be told NYC as a whole don't even listen to mos def or roots like that. They probably stayed relevant off industry connections because mos def ain't on anyone top 10. Nas, Big. Jay-z, Cam'ron, mase, The Lox, ghostface, raekwon. Redman, mobb deep etc many names came up in convo in the 90's nyc, but nobody was waiting for a mos def album.
Simple question when was the last time Mos Def did a verse that made you pause and reflect like 3K's on "life if the party"? Don't worry I'll wait...... (PS I'm a huge Mos Def fan)
Mos catalog speaks for it self. All his albums are solid including The Black Star classic album. Andre is great and up.there with the greatest lyrical MCs.
I'm just waiting on this veneer of Andre 3000 to disappear... Niggas really be saying he's the best ever and he can't even outright beat Mos Def... His eccentricity helped him excel in rap. I don't care I don't care, I don't care...
That's the thing; I've never separated 3 Stacks from Outkast, which is why he wouldn't be on my top five, even though The Kast as a group is. Good point.
Agreed, part 1 of the documentary I loved and enjoyed and is such an amazing examination of so many things; perseverance, self belief, the importance of community, music, culture, to name a few. But part 2 and 3 were very hard to watch. I will revisit part 1 often but will probably not watch part 2 and 3 again.
Let's be real, if it were not for Big Boi then Andre's career would look similar to Yasiin's. Dre would have lost the zest for rhyming due to industry shit if it were not for Big Boi's drive. Yeah, Yasiin had Kweli but it was a different dynamic and they were both solo artists first. Yasiin's desire for music just flamed out a little quicker, especially when he got back into acting
This was a great discussion, Mos Def is the man no doubt. "Signed to Rawkus?! I'd rather be mouth fucked by Nazis unconscious" - El-P Deep Space 9mm 2002
I still laughing at how Scarface walked out on Kanye trying to get him on Jesus walks. Guy got to hear family business and mocked it “all that glitters ain’t gold” 🤣
Ish and Ice are doing "hindsight is 20/20" shit when it comes to rawkus. They are where they are because they didn't treat kanye like the rap version of Prince and give him whatever to keep him. they missed out on a legend
Rawkus was more about lyrical prowess, and Kanye wasn’t as good as anyone on that label. Mos, Pharoahe, Kweli, El-P, Shabaam Saadiq, they were ALL better than him, and still are because they wrote their own material. Kanye was what he is, which was a pretty decent producer.
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The Mighty Mos and 3000 are genuine talents....... Mos is definitely underrated!!
Mos def is the Andre of the north and Andre is the mos def of the south this isn’t debatable literally two of the artist I grew up on because of how they flowed effortlessly thru beats and the acting ability they had matched the music they created always a different role or character
Facts
Both better than nas.
And 3000 got more hits than both.
You sound smart to sombody dumb
@@pwpstrick that’s going too far but okay
The Rawkus A&R was a guy named Ali. People gotta do their research on him but iykyk. Kanye took the entire play Ali mapped out for him and it worked. The previous artist Ali did the exact same thing with right before Kanye was Hitman who’s work essentially became The Chronic 2001. Small caveat as well but Ali is a Ralph Lauren historian and Ralph has had to rent vintage polo from Ali for numerous campaigns. Wouldn’t be a pink polo without Ali.
Prove it
Damn🔥 thanks for the info
question is this the same Ali kendrick referenced on his early projects didnt know if there was a connection
@@youngprophet5138 nah, that’s mixed by Ali, think he an engineer or producer and stuff with TDE
@@youngprophet5138 nah that's good engineer mixed by ali
Black on Both Sides and Black Star have been among my favorite albums for the past 20 years or so. Mos Def is super dope
It would have been dope to have 3000 and Mos spit verses over “30 hours”. That was one of the biggest teases ever. Damn a debate, I just want to hear those cats on a song or two together.
Underrated statement. Biggest tease ever. And one of the best beats on a Kanye album in years. This really would be incredible, even just a 3 stacks verse would’ve sufficed
Who’s the Gen Z who put Most Def instead of Mos Def? 😂😂😂😂
I’m hella mad, bro... 😂
Bruh
Probably autocorrect but you gotta proof read 😂
@@DCMFR hell nah brah that shouldn’t happen EVER in life.
Lol my conspiracys is that it auto corrected
Mos Def blends his styles in and out during his verses, and switches flow differently. Almost like he has double perspectives and doesn't cross lines. He can tend to go on and on and when his audience goes wild he cho choo trains his rhymes and as the listener u have to be able to ride the wave with him leading it. Bc Mos Def aka Yasiin Bey is ahead of his time!
While true ….Andre is top 5>>>>
I love them both....never divide the greats
Broooooo this shit is crazy most thought provocative hip hop question in a minute…
Hip-Hop is Kompetitive
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Folks keep acting like 3k’s guest verses don’t count for anything. Dude has 30+ verses since 2007. At least a dozen of those verses are legendary. No two are the same. He was quoted back in an article saying he’ll spit a verse better than most rapper’s albums, and that quote rings true 20 years later. Some folks don’t need a damn album to recognize that dude is one of the greats. Not many can do what he does. Anyone with ears can hear it.
Plus people act like all those Outkast albums don't count for something. He's in a similar spot as Lauryn Hill and Black Thought yet you never hear the "they dont have enough solo material line" towards them
Budden can’t even out rap 3 stacks and he knows it
@@godson6282 Budden couldn't even outrap Big Boi
Sigh...
@@662chillin because when those albums were coming out, everyone touted Big Boi over 3k... Now, Big Boi doesn't get spoken of as much... It started with Hey Ya!... I wonder why 🤔 given where we are as a society
" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be lyrically Talib Kweli "
Jay Z - Moment of Clarity.
Joe needs to re-listen Jay's catalogue. Kweli is a Mega MC !
Andre 3000 hands down! Especially if you grew up in the south!
Stop it ain’t hands down homie 3000 is a murder on MIC. Mos kills most rappers if not all these corns out now plus his under music buts him over dude easy
@@Mr.Burton17 Andre 3000 kills most if not all these rappers too. Dude had the best verse on Donda
Man em mentions Andre 3000. Case closed
Agreed I feel it’s not even that close honestly
@@deeperson7711you niggas ain’t ever heard an mos def album in yo life💀
Beat sounded exactly the same. But why would u not wanna hear Blackstar over it?
They can hang with the goats. Jayz will tell u himself. Mos def is insanely underrated
Lol it seems like Joe thought that Kanye made the original beat and he ended up selling it to Jay-Z for Brooklyn’s finest instead of selling it to MosDef and Kweli 😂 his timelines are messed up
@@nvm7191 yup. And I was confused too till I saw their outfits. Then on reply he said he was remaking it
But they didn't play the remake no way lol I heard no change but black star was acting like it was a new beat
Mos Def for the north / Andre 3000 for the south. Everyone wins💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I’m from nyc but I choose andre. He’s to great
Nah. Im from the North. 3 stacks is for everyone. I love Mos, but Andre is waaaaay different.
Im from VA and I can't choose
The comparison should be Pharaoh Monche / Andre 3000. Monche was doing that stuff years before 3000
Mos Def aka Mos Talented. 3000 is a Legend. But, I can’t say he’s over Mos though because he opted out of the game. Mos been creating masterpieces in various forms..
-Mos really did an NFT style album you could only hear at a museum situation before NFTs existed lol.
-Mos crashed an award show with his own stage on a truck and performed, “Katrina Clap” in protest.
-Mos was on Chappelle Show, bruh.
-Mos was bringing Afrobeat to HipHop before Afrobeats was popping - he got FELA on his first album Intro, bruh. 20 Years ahead of everybody lol.
-Cadillac Records, Something the Lord Made. He made a HipHop Opera with Beyoncé, bruh. Brown Sugar 😂 (HipHop dalmations! 🤣).
-The Umi Says Jordan commercial is GOATed.
-Mos crashed 106 and Park.
-Mos on Bill Maher
Lol…. So many moments. 3 Stacks opted out of giving us those moments. Legendary guest verses. Hall of Famer. But… Mos built a resumé, fam.
Damn fam, I seent it but it hit different when you list these 🐐 moments back to back.
@UnCommon damn
I was alive but we never peeped Mos Def in our household. Thats dope though Imma go back and check all this out.
Bruh that's the Move - he did that '
Classic Albums like Soundbombing, Black Starr! Like what are they even talking about they aren’t NYC?? That’s NYC to the fullest!
The reason why Mos Def doesn't get his due is because he disappeared when he was super hot and his projects after his return weren't that great. He started with Blackstar and Black on Both Sides which are undoubtedly classic projects. The stuff after he returned was no where near that level. It's not a talent issue, it has to do more with resume. Mos wanted to explore other things outside of Rap and his discography suffered because of it.
The Ecstatic was not mid. The others yes but not the Ecstatic. People forget it exists coz its not on spotify for some reason
Not true at all, New Danger got a lot of accolades. I can't lie it took a minute for that album to grow on me but it did and it's one of my favorites. True Magic wasn't the greatest but he had 3 to 4 ill joints on that album. You definitely can't front on The Ecstatic, that whole album is fire and he didn't curse on that entire project. I didn't even know Dec. 99th existed until last year or so and that album was kinda ok. But the real reason he said fuck it is because he was tried of putting all this hard work. Into his art and given penny's for it.
Let's not forget, 3000 disappeared to and never released a solo album so what are we really talking about here?
Mos didn’t disappear he’s over seas loves it there better than being in the US 💪🏾
@@AKAT1980 he did 2x the work mos did before he left…..mos is not in the same class as stacks
I think they're both top 10 tbh with ya'll.
Lmao
I agree by imma go further and say that whoever said mos should get the same level of praise as Andre 3000 for sure
MOS been underground legend in bklyn since he was in high school quiet as kept. Lyrical assassin from 5 percenter era🏆💯
Chicago’s influence on the culture is underrated.
3000 way better and it’s not close!
It’s close asf if you actually listened to mos def😭
Don’t sleep on Mos or Talib, Rawkus Records from 1998-2002 had shit bubbling in that era
Fr bro you aint lying... They had a nice roster
I love mos def, andre has one of the most interesting catalogs in the history of the genre also he’s a more versatile rapper, a better storyteller and arguably has more exciting flows
And most of Def's discography isn't good. He walked away when he was hot and was never the same afterwards.
@@ericmclean4291 mos def has arguably one of the best albums of all time as a solo artist. Dre has one as well with the love below but probably not better than mos def's joint so they're both pretty equal in reality..
@@nerdbamarich2063 stacks success with outkast is far superior to mos with Talib. Not even a convo
@@t.wynderogriffin798 "success" isn't even the topic at hand or why an MC is great. Andre would tell you that to your face. Drake is super successful and has lots of hits. Is he in your top five? Because he damn sure ain't in mine. Music and people's taste in music is subjective and record sales and success have nothing to do with somebody being better. Not even a worth a convo if you don't understand that!!
@@nerdbamarich2063 Naw. Black on Both Sides is in my top 10 best hip hop albums of all time but we can't pretend like those other joints don't exist. He stepped away when he was absolutely on fire and it wasn't the same after that. The reason why Mos Def's talent doesn't get the praise it deserves is because his resume is lacking.
Mos Def and Rawkus records is the underground NYC that was super real and in effect. That was my high school days! Good music….they didn’t want to be known and mainstream. They wanted to rep the underdog, backpackers, the taggers and all alike…much love to that side of NYC….MY NYC!
Came from that whole era and they were boring. They probably stayed relevant off industry connections because nobody listened to them in NYC like that.
Fam Mos is definitely one of the greats but that’s 3Stacks my g, people been waiting for a new Outkast or solo project from Andre for years so heavy that the shits become a meme, niggas ain’t talkin bout Mos Def and Black Star the same way they talk bout Andre 3000 and Outkast
That’s very true. Talib took Kanye on his first tour, evidence helped produce on college dropout. Rawkus definitely had a hand in Kanye’s early success
Both are legends and Mos was one of my favourites but something off happened when he became Yasiin, in terms of his passion to rhyme, output. Andre is more consistent for me and arguably got better with time. Every Andre feature is a moment lol.
Mos Def 1996-2009 is still 100% better than André 3000 now & before in my opinion. He's in my top 5 & Black On Both > The Love Below but that's just me.
@@DuckDodgers345 where you from (real question not a joke)?
@@DuckDodgers345 you said 100% better in what way? Lyrics? Flow? If you're not familiar with 3 Stacks just say that lol. You compared Mos' first album (a classic) with Andre's last...Atliens, Aquemini and Stankonia are all classics
@@MrBreisMusic
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Nah, I'm not here to do any of this before & after gymnastics but to talk about their stuff as a whole & trust me I'm familiar with Dre (Top 10 imo but Mos is top 5):
1.
The only think you can give 3K'S are the verses he did on those OK albums because like i said big boi is there & those aren't André 3000 songs but OK songs so I'll only accept what he rapped on them.
2.
- Black Star lyricism > SPCM (easily)
- Black On Both Sides lyricism > ATL'S (easily)
- Black Star + Black On Both Sides lyricism > Aquemini (let's be honest)
- The New Danger lyrically > Idlewild (I'll take this to my grave)
- The Estatic lyrically> Stankonia (The truth hurts but we must accept it to move on)
- The Love Below > True Magic (You can have this one, feel good for now)
3.
●Features: André 3000 > Mos Def (facts)
●Solo Songs: Mos Def > André 3000 (facts/more valuable)
●Features + Solo Songs: Mos Def > André 3000 (appreciate mos before it's too late)
■ OVERALL MAN IT'S MOS ALL DAY SO IDK WHAT EVERYONE IS GETTING AT, HE JUST EXPOSES DRE FOR BEING A TAD BIT OVERRATED WITH HIS PRESENCE & THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THEIR BOTH LEGENDS BUT THE TRUTH HAS TO BE SAID. 🤷🏽♂️
Damn you really feel that WAY bout 3000? Honestly I respect ur opinion it’s free Speech in America but use it wisely
Mos Def gets slept on by a lotta cats in the industry very under appreciated of course I’m gonna choose him. Both are super dope though.
This is why I love this show. Great debate
Facts
19:08 Not surprised Kendrick said that. He’s a true scholar of the game, which is why he’s as great as he is.
Mos all day; duo classics and solo classics. Amazing rhyme schemes, flow, bangers and catchy songs, great voice, and plus he did amazing in freestyles. Name another rapper who could do that and also write deep subject shit.
Kendrick and Andre lol
@@chrism7163 Kendrick is not that deep dude, he just was born in the right time. Kendrick in the 90 or 00s would be just another rapper from the heap
@@enzocabrera4440 You don’t need to be that deep to be a great MC. Right time? What bullshit are you on, if he was in the 90’s/2000’s and dropped TPAB or GKMC niggas will be calling him ahead of his time. Get the fuck outta here
@@enzocabrera4440 now mind your business. Kendrick is the only hip hop with a Pulitzer for writing 🤷🏾♂️
@@chrism7163 I just don´t think he is better mc than Nas, Mos or even Lupe. And plus i take black on both sides over TPAB all day
I have never heard on Mos in an top 10 conversation, but I consistently here 3 Stacks names mentioned. I gets down with Mos hard, but 3 Stacks all day.
naw mos is def top 10 bro you're tripping!
I think that's their point
They were on fire..Two of my favorite MC's
Both are great rappers 3 stacks for the south
Mos Def for the North 💪🏾
I love both! Too hard to choose 😫
I DROPPED A FEW TEARS DURING THE FIRST 2 episodes of Kanye Doc
Me as well
Dude 20 years later I just got the line "I'm Mos Def, You need to Speak Louder"
🤯🤯🤯
SUPERHEROOOOOOSSS
The better comparison is Pharaoh Monche VS Andre 3000.
Pharaoh founded the flow and style if you want to compare and he’s still killing it.
Much better match. I agree.
The mighty Mos Def!
Mos Def for me. He’s better lyrically and I’ll take Blackstar and BOBS over any OutKast albums.
“Most def”? Come on son 🥴
Who is the country fan managing the social media? MOS Is a legend.
What's next, "Buster Rhymes?"
Fuckouttahere it was a mistake
Mos Def for me,i listened,understood and related to him alil more,even heard him more.
That’s not even a question 3stacks is not afraid to be himself. Mos def just a conscious rapper But Andre can rap on anything and keep up with all genres in every era of rap
Im going with 3 Stacks..He’s definitely a better wordsmith by FAR💯💯👑🦍
It’s not “by far”….😂 but he is though
Hellll nawl
Mos Def got mad conceps. I think you like 3 stacks voice n delivery. Pen game wise ma hwan
@@TshoCa I’d favor 3k lyrically but I agree with what your saying it’s not by far Mos Def is and elite Mc doesn’t get the credit he deserves
prove it! Mos Def made "Mr Nigga"; what 3K's ""song" rivals this song? in fact, what 3K song rivals "Ms Fat Booty"?
To me , Mos Def is a better traditional rapper . But Andre does way more as an Artist both lyrically and sonically .
How much of mos music have you heard his first album was fire as well as that black star album
@@t-god2439 Aquemeni puts the debate to bed by itself. Then you add in Stankonia.... it's not even a fair fight. Every time Andre 3000 features on someone else's music he always outshines them. I like Mos Def, but not close.
@@Allison_Chaynes I think it’s closer than you think Mos first album is a classic he by himself has a classic album something andre has never done and black star is also a good album he also has some classic verses as well
I’m a young mexican that gets high asfc on my TH-cam channel as my job.. i hate that there isn’t any Mexicans at the top.. i love all races but it makes me sad no one like me is at top .
Andre 3000 dont got nothing to top black on both sides lmfao we not finna feature and 16 bar niggas to death bro
If I see and Andre verse I'm clicking that asap and it's gonna be legendary as fuck. With that being said I cant out him over mos def andi can't remember the last time I heard a song from dude. Can't choose, it seems wrong
NYC bias is funny as hell…..the truth is you love mos cause he fits your standard. Stacks is a better MC in every facet.
Only a country bumpkin would say so lol
Facts
Mos hes actually put out solo projects along with one of the best group albums ever
Love, love Mos, hope he is doing well
Mos is definitely underrated one of my favorite rappers
That's close.. but in terms of skill, innovation, originality and lasting influence, Andres 3000 takes this slightly. Love Mos a lot though and is one of my favorites but objectively speaking, 3K got this.
Think they slick trying to correct the title😂 anyways as much as I love Mos Def 3 Stacks as a rapper makes you feel out of this world its like listening to a Poet from another galaxy
Andre never dropped a solo album
@@TheNyion912 and who cares bro all the classic work in OutKast plus all them amazing features at this point I Don t need an album anymore because if he does give one people are probably gonna say it was mid or whatever cuz he waited too long like they do with so much albums these days
@@TheNyion912 mos ain't got 4 classic Lp's with blackstar
@@EazyRocko he’s not too 50 stop making excuses for him being lazy
@@TheNyion912Nigga how is he lazy because he said he was not inspired to make one so u just want him to half ass it
Mos def far as rap ability but andree 3000 is more well rounded versatility
Mos Def is a better lyricist to me. Black on Both Sides is one of the best rap albums in my opinion.
So is Aquemini... 😕
All is albums are good
Talking about solo albums
Only black on both sides gets played by me
@@dawb86 don’t like aquemini like that
That’s a tough one. Leaning towards Mos Def but Andre 3000 can be more explosive IMO
I think the only person that was missing from the Kanye documentary was producer Deric “D.Dot” Angelettie of Bad Boy, who put Kanye in the game in the late 90s by taking him under his wing for 3 years. That’s how Kanye ended up working with Mase, Jermaine Dupri, Lil’ Kim, Foxy Brown, the Bad Boy camp and he also introduced Kanye to Roc-A-Fella. People never knew about this.
Mos def hands down
If I need to focus, Mos Def. If I want to hear a long story in a musical form, Andre 3000
I like mos def more then 3000 but both are amazing!
Love the music Mos and Andre have dropped to this day. However on a head to head...I think Most def is the better Lyricist and that means alot to me when you're a MC
Facts!
I respectfully disagree my man. I don't think Mos or any other rapper can see 3 stacks on the mic and I love Mos.
Impact conference 2001 in Dallas was the highlight of my music career!!
Kanye didn’t need the roc! Ye is a undeniable once in a lifetime talent
I like mos Def. At one point a lot. But there's nothing he does that pharaoh monch doesn't do better. And Andre 3k is better at those unique flow switching singing rapping styles than both of them.
3 Stax is better in every way possible!!!!
Please, my mom from NY , I’m from Florida, it’s always a bias when it comes to NY and the rest of the states
Would love to hear Mos Def n Kweli on Brooklyn's Finest.
I would love to see a Joe Budden documentary. I hope one is in work!
Short story
The title is disrespectful.
Mos has been my favorite all-time rapper for a minute. That’s him to the left in my profile picture alongside Kweli. ‘Black on Both Sides’ and ‘Black Star’ are two unimpeachable classics. He’s got a strong discography beyond those but he experimented on the following two albums and some critics weren’t feeling it but they were still quality. ‘The Ecstatic’ was a damn good album too.
Not going to get into the versus debate. 3000 is a legend, as is Mos.
They did bring up an interesting point about Mos being from BK but not rapping about subjects a lot of dudes from there rap about and thus being underrated. It happens with a lot of rappers.
The new danger was classic too. That's where the "tall israeli" meme came from 🤣
@@blackmcbain3145 Not a classic for me but ‘U R the One’ and ‘Lifetime’ rank highly on my list of top Mos tracks.
The “tall Israeli” line was from ‘The Rape Over’, which was actually on the previous album ’The New Danger’.
@@Ginga I said that! You replied before I fixed my album, got em confused
When Andre 3000 love below drop it was a game charger in hip hop on what would be considered hip hop. Add Outkast as a group and his features he definitely over Mos Def. Truth be told NYC as a whole don't even listen to mos def or roots like that. They probably stayed relevant off industry connections because mos def ain't on anyone top 10. Nas, Big. Jay-z, Cam'ron, mase, The Lox, ghostface, raekwon. Redman, mobb deep etc many names came up in convo in the 90's nyc, but nobody was waiting for a mos def album.
R.I.P. Big L
I like them both and I can't pick. Respect to those brothers.
Andre 3000 is up there with Crooked I and Eminem. Most Definitely.
Simple question when was the last time Mos Def did a verse that made you pause and reflect like 3K's on "life if the party"? Don't worry I'll wait......
(PS I'm a huge Mos Def fan)
not for a while but his verses on Education with Freddie Gibbs, the one with A$AP on long.last.A$AP and breathe with navy blue are all solid as hell
Mos catalog speaks for it self. All his albums are solid including The Black Star classic album. Andre is great and up.there with the greatest lyrical MCs.
I'm just waiting on this veneer of Andre 3000 to disappear... Niggas really be saying he's the best ever and he can't even outright beat Mos Def... His eccentricity helped him excel in rap. I don't care I don't care, I don't care...
Mos def is prolly better cuz he has more solo shit to pull from but this is closer
Twista, twista that....how quickly they/we forget Chip-Fu
One has a classic solo album, one does not. Mos
Fair point mos first album he was spitting hot fire daylan daylan daylan
That's the thing; I've never separated 3 Stacks from Outkast, which is why he wouldn't be on my top five, even though The Kast as a group is. Good point.
Agreed, part 1 of the documentary I loved and enjoyed and is such an amazing examination of so many things; perseverance, self belief, the importance of community, music, culture, to name a few. But part 2 and 3 were very hard to watch. I will revisit part 1 often but will probably not watch part 2 and 3 again.
Mwhatvkarts of it make you cringe?
Bro it’s been years I still don’t know how this nigga behind the camera look and I’m ok wit that lmao
Andre is better than everybody. My mount Rushmore is DMX, Andre,Ye, Nasir Jones & Ms Lauryn Hill❤
Both Great Rappers but I think Andres Commercial Success put him on another level
It was a Eurostep back in Jordan days
Let's be real, if it were not for Big Boi then Andre's career would look similar to Yasiin's. Dre would have lost the zest for rhyming due to industry shit if it were not for Big Boi's drive. Yeah, Yasiin had Kweli but it was a different dynamic and they were both solo artists first. Yasiin's desire for music just flamed out a little quicker, especially when he got back into acting
That's a tough one, think i like Mos Def more as an all around MC.. they both from different planets though
Ice: Yeah he lied..
🤣🤣🤣 WTF lol
I smashed the like button when he said crucial conflict
Remind me. I was locked up but sure I brought a twelve by them when I got out
Mos def for sure
One of those tie situations.
You hate it but, sometimes it must be. . .
Mo's Def the best RAPPER from Brooklyn ✌🏾
I knew of mos as an actor/artist 1st yrs old
3k’s better but Mos Def is super dope though
Andre all the way
💎💎🫡🤝 respect and loyalty goes along Way salute brothers
This was a great discussion, Mos Def is the man no doubt.
"Signed to Rawkus?!
I'd rather be mouth fucked by Nazis unconscious" - El-P Deep Space 9mm 2002
I still laughing at how Scarface walked out on Kanye trying to get him on Jesus walks. Guy got to hear family business and mocked it “all that glitters ain’t gold” 🤣
Mos def got my vote enough said
Mos def, no 1 solo project from 3stacks
Both Mos Def and Andre are too sweet to be on Joes bitter tounge.
“Most Def” in the title and the thumbnail? The young guys gonna get it bad
Weird, I was just thinking about this about a week ago while listening to Umi says. Idk, I just like his cadence. His staccato.
Ish and Ice are doing "hindsight is 20/20" shit when it comes to rawkus. They are where they are because they didn't treat kanye like the rap version of Prince and give him whatever to keep him. they missed out on a legend
Rawkus was more about lyrical prowess, and Kanye wasn’t as good as anyone on that label. Mos, Pharoahe, Kweli, El-P, Shabaam Saadiq, they were ALL better than him, and still are because they wrote their own material. Kanye was what he is, which was a pretty decent producer.
Andre cause his drip is immaculate
Look at teen summit
3000 more unique 🌊🌊🌊
AND dude can act his ass off too, really both can act really well for MC's. MOS was in 6 straight DEXTER EPISODES and killed it