speaking as someone who has (successfully) done the FC Vaduz challenge - you do not have to win the competitions in consecutive order. it is possible for the Liechtensteiner Cup/Liechtenstein's coefficient to rise to where the cup automatically qualifies for the Europa League. In fact, there was one year where we won the Europa League, and somehow Vaduz and Eschen/Mauren qualified for the CL
Explanation : Vaduz wins Europa League but doesn't qualify into CL directly : They use Europa League Titleholder Spot. Since Liechtenstein sends only one representative (which is you), their yearly coefficient will be insanely high and thus Liechtenstein qualifies for one of two countries to gain extra spot in the Champions League. This rule applies after every single direct position is known. Since you qualified with a direct position (as a titleholder), whoever is in the cup final qualifies indirectly to CL. Cup finalist must be Eschen/Mauren, thus they also directly qualify to the CL.
Was just thinking, theoretically, if you can find a database playing in any smaller European nation, it should theoretically be possible to raise the country’s coefficient enough to merit CL/EL spots without doing the back to back to back climb. Shoutout Second Yellow Card’s Malta save.
@@KingofWolvesii you just manually adjust the positions and sign 10 strikers sell the rest of the squad apart from the GK and strikers center forwards are fine as they count as strikers. Set 5 strikers to drop back on defense preferably ones with strength, pace 5 are your attacking players so pace, strength, dribbling, passing ect. Your GK should be on sweeper
@@SongofIceandTea No, they meant FM25, because they're still going to release FM25 due to legal issues if they don't. FM26 could return to the normal release schedule, but I doubt it.
I am currently on the 20 level English league marathon with Stafford Argyle and also started as a Sunday league player with no coaching badges at 19 years old. I'm currently in the Vanarama National League South/North after 15 years. All these without no in-game editor or edit at all. AND it's never boring
I have played with British Airways FC from 10th tier (right now I am in Championship) and for me 10th to 4th tier was the most fun experience. I have to say though, that getting promoted from there really sucks and is awful, because I like playing with small budget, but lack of reputation doesn't allow me to sign ANYONE. Lack of budget is fun, lack of reputation, not really when you get to pro level.
I've managed to qualify for the World Cup with Cuba and Fiji. Beating New Zealand 3-1 away with Fiji to qualify has been my favourite moment in FM for years.
Change the in-game language to match the country you’re in and do every press conference yourself. Suddenly «It’s all greek to me» gets a whole new meaning 😅 Makes for an interesting save where tactics might not be the main problem.
The Athletic Bilbao ‘challenge’ has been the only save I enjoy every year for about 8 years, it broke my normal enjoyment of the game. I now only enjoy playing as Athletic Bilbao, I try to do other saves but they are boring, sign a bunch of players for millions, dominate, move on to a better club etc…boring. Also Bilbao have an incredible youth academy so it’s always great to fall in love with your generational regens.
One pretty hard save is to win the FIFA Club World Cup with a team from the fifth division of the Paulista Championship. You need a custom database that has the entire Brazilian football system, with all clubs in the state championships. So, there some things that make this challenge incredibly difficult. First, all the teams not in the first division of the Paulista Championship are not in the national league, so you only got like 3 to 4 months of football in a season, which means you can't sign players for long contracts as they will drain the club's resources without any income once the championship stops. Second, you need to qualify for the national league, which can be done by winning the Paulista Cup. You can go all the way to the first division of the Paulista Championship and even win it, you'll get nowhere. You need to win the Paulista Cup, which you only qualify for once you get to the third division, and getting to the third Paulista division is hard enough on its own, as only two teams get promoted each season. Third, once you get to the national league, you enter the fourth division, and you have to survive on a budget. 64 teams qualify, only four teams get promoted, the ones who get to the semifinals. The rest, the other 60? They all get cut, unless they qualify again via their own state rules, they will not continue in the national league. Oh and you do that on a budget, once you start advancing the stages you get to face teams who are farther away from you, which means travel costs go up and you get less training days. Once you get to the third division of the national league, you also gotta survive, because the level gap is huge. So, to recap: 1) Get to the third Paulista division; 2) Win the Paulista cup; 3) Get promoted immediately from Série D to Série C; 4) Now you go all the way up to Série A, to the Libertadores, win it, and then win the FIFA Club World Cup. This save takes a long time, but it's not boring like climbing the English pyramid because every competition is a meat grinder level of difficulty. You may have an easy time during the first season because you'll get players while many clubs in the same division will have grey players, but that's only during the first few rounds, once you get to the knockout stages, you'll face other teams the same level as yours. Now, why did I pick the Paulista state Championship as the hardest if São Paulo is the state with the most clubs in the Brazilian national league AND the wealthiest state? Shouldn't it be harder with a team from Acre or Amapá? Not really, because all the state championships qualify teams to the national league, so if you're in Acre, you have a direct way to qualify for the national league, only need to win the Acre state Championship, if you're in Maranhão you only need to be second place in the state championship. The only exception is São Paulo, as you cannot qualify through the state championship, you need to win the state cup, which is a lot harder, and it's the only state with 5 divisions in its championship. So you have a longer run and no direct way to qualify.
Suddenly thought of this whilst watching - the Pentagon Challenge, but with university teams. So basically you’re only allowed to play with university teams from each confederation and win their Champions League. CONCACAF’s gonna be a cakewalk with either UANL or UNAM but things will start to get challenging in Europe - you’ll only get to manage teams such as Cardiff Metropolitan University or Universitatea Craiova etc. And don’t get me started on the other confederations 😅
Craiova would actually be a good club by these challenges standards, they are one of the best clubs in Romania and a normal professional club with the only connection to the university being the name/historical sponsorship, depends on how lax your definition of “university team” is. To make it extra hard you can go for “teams that are actually still owned by universities”, which I believe Cardiff Met and UNAM are, idk if there are enough of those to go around though
been in my no badges / no experience / octagon* challenge era in my current save and i've been having an absolute blast, been through new zealand, tunisia, egypt, south korea, MLS, and currently boca juniors and senegal national boss. i wouldn't say it's been _hard_ per se but definitely a great antidote to just sticking at one club and building a wonderkid super team *it was a hexagon challenge until national teams started blowing up my inbox for interviews
For Hex/Octagon saves do you preload leagues from all continents in the initial database or do you start adding and removing leagues as you get ready to switch to a new continent? I'm keen to try this challenge but worried the huge database will just make the game too slow.
@@chrisvanegmond3157Ive never done it but I play casually on a laptop I use for university files/work so I'd probably only load them in as view only until I'm a season or 2 away from being ready to move
In my Lille save in FM22, I think it was Club Franciscain that made to the quarter finals of the Coupe de France. I even googled it to see if they'd play in Europe if they won and didn't find any answer. If I had drawn them I probably would have thrown the match just to see what happens.
just because you win a cup doesn't mean you qualify for Europe, your league placement in the first division decides that, generally the first 4 qualify with the league with the best 5 year coefficient getting a 5th place to qualify, don't really know how Euro League and conference League is handled but I suppose similar
@@lp.shakur Most National Cup Competitions qualify you for European Cup competitions. Except that there is one rule here that is often overlooked: the club needs to be professional.
@@WritingGeekNL yeah but it's only for Euro League, I forgot it was the Cup of Cupwinners before it got renamed, Champions League is only League placement, that's why United is playing EL this season, they won their cup despite being 8th in their League
The San Marino Challenge can be made even harder by playing as a club in the Sammarinese Division instead of the Italian League system. This adds the challenge of building the nation and league rep high enough that good players want to play for your club. Also if you play through the Italian Leagues, its slightly easier as the club will gain rep much faster when winning any competition in that system compared to the Sammarinese competitions.
In my opinion, the hardest possible save has to be picking up an amateur team from the lowest division from some place like Vanuatu or Samoa (OFC), Bhutan, Macao, Mongolia (AFC), or similar countries in Asia or Oceania, winning the continental champions league AND then winning the Club World Cup. I have been trying it and still haven't managed to complete it. I don't know if it's actually possible. Right now I'm creating a Macau DB and I'll try again with FC Porto (MAC) - an amateur club from Macau with the same name as Portugal's Porto, but absolutely no ties to the portuguese team.
No connection to the football team, but it becomes pretty clear why there is a Porto in Macau when you consider 400 years of portuguese colonialism lool
@@craigford2092 Haha, love the coincidence! It's not easy to find decent players in Macau, even if it is for the quality level of J3 League. Honestly, well done!
So I inadvertently stumbled into one of the hardest saves around. When the January update first released I started a new Journeyman save with poor rep, I was applying to jobs in tiny leagues, some u21 teams, and highest wage offered was a team in the Chinese National First Division (2nd tier). I took it without looking at the team, which turned out to be beyond foolish. Dalian Professional - and this isn't the only Chinese team in this situation due to their footballing financial crash - is a club that no longer exists. It went under IRL, despite starting 2023 in this league. Therefore, you take over a club with 0 transfer budget, 0 staff, and a first team of auto generated players and some under 18s. I honestly have no idea how long it would take to grow a club that technically shouldn't exist. And then after seasons of grinding and free loans have to battle the super league juggernauts with teams of recognisable players. I would love to see someone attempt this
I play Vaduz in the FM 23 and if you're consistent enough you can push it to the Europa League spot (so the winner of the cup has an automatic spot there). It takes time but it's possible at least in FM23. It only takes to put Lichtenstein at no. 8 in the national club ranking and you have a play-off spot.
The Vaduz save is actually a lot easier now because you only need a decent conference league run to qualify for the champions league on the new coefficient rules since there’s only one club in Europe for Liechtenstein your coefficient is only divided by 1
@@joelmacinnes2391 Yes it goes to the cup winner since they’re considered the top ranked team that did not qualify. It’s happened to me in my Vaduz save
For me the hardest part of any save is leaving my team behind. I always load in a massive number of leagues only to then stay at the same team for the whole save anyway.
I made my second ever Save a mix of These things and the increased realism keeps me glued to my chair Every time i start the Game 1. starting in the 7th german Division with no badges (originally as a journeyman Save) 2. ending up in Latvia 3. beeing restricted to 14 non latvians in my Team (where 3 latvians having to Play at all times) because of league restrictions 4. taking over the latvian national Team to develop the Nation and Lead them to a EUROS / WC Qualification 5 having the Main Transfer window in the Winter where you can Not Register a Lot of new Players for Europe. I do this since FM 23 and will Port the Save to FM25 if there is the possibility. I am in the year 2078
A few suggestions: The Brexit Save - you can only sign and play players from England, Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales. The GeoSwitch Save - swap Merthyr and TNS around (to make it more accurate, you could move TNS to either the Northern Premier League or Southern League Midlands Premier and then re-jig the Step 3 leagues) and try to win the Welsh Premier League with Merthyr or get TNS into the Football League. The GeoSwitchNL Save - move Berwick Rangers to the Northern League Division 2, and try to get into the Football League in 15 years. The Divine Intervention Save - Win the World Cup... as manager of the Vatican City.
As someone from Hong Kong, I'd also like to point out that the HK U23 team no longer exists. It only ever won 3? games in competition in its several years of existence. So uh.... have fun! I'm tempted to try it, to be frank.
11:30 Should be noted that these overseas territories are part of France in a similar way to Alaska. French Guyana can vote for the French president, has 2 seats in the French parliament (despite their size they only have 500k people) and stuff like that. You would also call Hawaii a part of the US.
Well...to be technical, they'd more be like Puerto Rico and American Samoa then Alaska or Hawaii. Alaska and Hawaii are states, the others are territories.
@@spsawyer22 I compare them to Alaska because they have voting members of Congress. Technically they are called overseas but it's not comparable to US overseas territories that can't vote for president or have voting Congress members.
5:00 I was doing a save with a 7th Spanish division team and I can confirm it was super boring at first, once I got players we just won everything until 4th division. Those players were actually 4th division level.
I'm happy to have completed the second hardest challenge ❤ I did it with CSC de Cayenne in French Guiana! We won the UCL after many years. It was the toughest, but most rewarding save I've ever completed :D
@@donovanpetschi497 i had to make some adjustments in the database, but once I did and won the Coupe de France we qualified for the Europa League. We'd have a lot of on / off seasons, but once we won Europa League we were essentially fighting for the Coupe de France every season.
@@emmanuelrobert782 its not about making the nation EU, you could obviously do that for player registration rules, but what matters is in the coupe de France there are teams who've been removed from qualifying (as you will struggle with the confederations). So in the pre game editor you need to remove the restriction in the coupe de France for your Nations clubs. It's quite tedious. I didn't realise that we would also play in the NA tournaments at first, so at some point we played both Champions League and CONCACAF champions league. We won both that year and our club got 2 spots at the club world cup where the semi final was Cayenne vs Cayenne 🤣
I always put my experience to Sunday league and no coaching quals because that’s real life. Wanted to journeyman my way to the top. Started off with Chorley in the Conference North. 2425 Chorley - Won promotion 2526 Tranmere - Conference 12th 2627 Tranmere - Won Promotion to L2 2728 Tranmere/Swansea - left Tranmere sat 1st in L2 and placed 15th with Swansea saving them from relegation from December 2829 Fulham - left Swansea end of the year. Kept losing out on signings and decided to jump ship. Went to Fulham who had just been been promoted to EPL. Sacked after 10 games 2930 - left club football and became Japan national manager. Won the comp against HK, SKorea, China. Knocked out by Norway Rnd 16 WC. 3031 - became France national manager and became Bolton Wanderers manager in Championship finished 16th 3132 - still managing national/club level. Can’t imagining leaving Bolton now my French national team wage is propping up my income. Might have found a club I want to take to the top. And close to Chorley where I started. The location suits my imaginary FM family 😂
FM is hard until you learn how to "game" the game and what in effect is OP in the match engine. FM is hard mainly as a beginner because of the flood of information that comes at you It's less an issue of the game being hard and getting good and more simply digesting and understanding all the different screens and what you need to do on a macro level. Even basic tasks like learning that you can allocate roles to staff
I’ve got one at the moment where I’m Middlesbrough and I’m giving myself 5 seasons until I have to play a team full of players that come through my Youth Academy! I’m in season 3 now, won the Championship first season and got a couple of decent regens, a central midfielder and a goalkeeper, the rest look like they won’t be Premier League level. Season 2 I got 3 players who look like they have potential, 2 right wingers and a 5ft 10” centre back - as you do - and now in season 3 I’m hoping for a more balanced intake. I’m trying to finish as high up as I can, (finished 8th in the PL season 2), trying to sell players for profit and sign players cheaply so that I have the finances to get the board to invest in Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching and Youth Facilities to help me get the most out of my young players, as well as trying to convince the board to allow me to sign more U18 coaches to again help those players progress into the first team. With the idea being that, after Season 5 is done, I’ll sell all of the players who I’ve signed who are non-Regen players from my own Youth Academy, and from that point on I’ll not spend a single penny on transfers and try to win the Premier League and Champions League with my own Academy Regens only. For me, that is a pain in the arse but it’s also one that I feel will be incredibly rewarding if/when it happens
Challenge accepted. I started the San Marino challenge a few weeks ago but downloaded the SM league so I'm managing outside of Italy... So should add to the fun of winning the CL with a minnow league 😅
Thinking some combo of minnow to the WC and Vaduz challenge but I agree, doing it with a club besides Vaduz seems more fun. I guess if you’re doing the grow a minnow your hope is to grow your nation coefficient as well
@@eleana8223 that s the thing, the coefficient doesn’t matter for Lichtenstein as they are locked in to only one representative afaik, might help in terms of where you start in the Conference League after winning the cup though idk
I'm playing a San Marino save right now. Obviously not completed, but I feel it's pretty good so far. Won Serie C & Serie B in Italy back to back, got to Serie A and managed to stay in. With some smart free transfers I managed to become a more than decent mid-table team and even won the Cup. In the meantime I also had 3 amazing youth intakes (especially for the national team, because my top talents all were from San Marino). I decided to throw around my tactic so my most talented player could become a starter (3 CAM's + 2 CM's). Right now he's valued €28M, wanted by Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona. If a good bid comes in, I'm letting him go so another talent can take his place (both play CAM/CM naturally, and one player keeps the other out of the squad). The national team, which I also manage, is ranked 99th. Less than 2 years ago I was still ranked 183th. Too bad my youth intake the last 3 years has been terrible, because I right now have a handfull of Serie A quality players, but the others aren't up to their level. Also: no editor used, because I don't have that option
San Marino CAN occasionally pop out a 130-170 PA player in their youth intakes. So I'd imagine you just have to RNG yourself into 2 or 3 of those in a row to have any sort of chance. The main danger (though your save would mitigate it) is a lot of those players will also have Italian nationality.
@spsawyer22 I've had one player that refused to play for me, ultimately got called up for Italy U19. And from the moment he got too old for the U19's and didn't get a call for the U21's he accepted it. So now I have 2 Serie A quality CAM's in my team, 2 Serie B quality CM's, and a GK and CB of Serie B quality. The oldest of the bunch is 21 so I hope they still grow a bit
The FC Vaduz save isn't quite like that... once you earn some good coefficient in Europe the Liechtensteiner cup can get UCL qualification. The issue then is that 2nd place also makes Europe and tanks the coefficient. But over time they go away and suddenly you can get straight to the UCL again.
I'm started my save as a no badges to glory save but got an offer by Vaduz, I always had the plan to try a Vaduz (Bilbao style) once, so I combined them, I'm currently in 2035 and made the CL for the first time
Octagon Challenge? OCTAGON?! I have tried the Tetradecagon Challenge! Last time I tried it was FM20. Basically, it's a Pentagon challenge with extra plus everything. You need to win the continental champions league at every continent: Europe, Asia, South America, North America, Africa. To the challenge they've added Oceania as well. So you have to win 6 champions league. You also have to succeed as an international manager. You have to win: European Championships, AFC Nations Cup (Asia), Copa America (South America), Concacaf Gold Cup (North America), CAF Cup of Nations (Africa) and OFC Nations Cup (Oceania). That's 12 competions you need to win. Oh yeah, you need to win this as well: FIFA World Cup - FIFA Confederations Cup - FIFA World Club Championships So that's 15 in total. In one save. You also need to: - Start off unemployed - Start off with a Sunday League reputation
@@joelmacinnes2391 You are right! I found my FM2017 log on the SI forums, must've had my challenges muddled. I found my WOEFUL attempt at the San Marino Challenge in FM2020.
The Vaduz Save is insane, although you can actually be in CL season in season out due to the 2 new spots that CL offers from season coefficient, it is incredibly hard to boost your reputation and prevent players from leaving. It took me 10 straight years making at least QF of CL and UECL final/winners back to back no boost my REP to Continental (4 stars) and after 20 seasons I still feel there is a long way till i get there
I've seen a couple of San Marino wonderkids come through in various games I've played, but they always have Italian second nationality and choose to play for them instead. If they're good enough they won't play for San Marino.
For the no badges one, to make it harder, i did a create a club and replaced dover who are the worst english team.. i also had no goalkeepers so i had to sign two gks who were greyed out...
I´ve done the one with Bilbao on FM22 (and left a comment about it on twitter) and managed to win 3 consecutive Champions on the last years of my 15 year tenure there. It took me years to even be able to contest la liga. And there is a little cheat: Bilbao can sign any spanish player under 16. So every year I scouted the spanish youth intake, hired the best wonderkids and evolved them at the club for years.
For the minnow challenge, Andorra would probably be the easiest as you could play as FC Andorra (in Spain tier 2 or 3, depending on which year of FM you're playing) alongside the national team, and generate players from their in-club youth system. I was kind of doing this inadvertently with an old save, intending to play as FC Andorra and not as any national team, but kept finding all my youth players getting called up.
A tip for the San Marino challenge: manage Victor San Marino club side in Italy. After 5 years at the club, Italian/international players can gain Sammarinese citizenship. Also develop the youth intake and facilities and you can get some solid regens that hold up on the international level.
About Vaduz - UEFA have no problem with Lichtenstein having a team in the UCL, all they need is a league with 8 teams or more - Lichtenstein have 7 major teams About San Marino - tried something of that sort in 2014, I got about 3 world class potential players from my youth team At the age of 18, my 1st prospect decided he will play for Italy and not San Marino The other two did get to lead the national team to a few results vs. low ranked UEFA teams And then the save got destroyed and I couldn't continue I did win the league on that save, though I only had two home grown players in my squad when doing so and both were still U-19
Got to manage Wreham, got promoted every single season, at the end of the 10th season I won the Champions league. Granted, all the success I achieved once I got into the premier league was because of 3 wonderkids that I was lucky enough to grab them. Then I built a solid team and support cast around them, 2 amazing argentinian offensive Mids ( one was the next Maradona !!!) and an outstanding CB that would make Baresi proud.
1 of my fav challanges is (if you can call it) is to only use players that came through your academy and only buy buy players where i reignite their career and then sell them. Of course trying to win champions league
I've done a San Marino challenge. Managed to have them qualify regularly for World cup's and Euro's but sadly never won anything. Vaduz challenge is mandatory for all FM to try once.
@@nicolaswilliams2822 Vaduz can be fun to do with the Liechtenstein job I've found. Only way I was able to get San Marino up was managing a club team from San Marino that played in the Italian system, but depending on what version of FM you have that may be hard to do.
@@blinkusfishus2052 are those clubs even allowed to qualify through the Italian league system or is it like Vaduz? You could also do it with the San Marino league as they do have their own league but that would be even harder without the Serie A/B/C money
Gilbraltar is like the San Marino challenge lite. Yeah you would still have the build the nation and league up. Players who are based in the country for 5 years become eligible for the national team in both nations. Gilbraltar has a bit of a loophole, if the players comes from UK ( England, Wales, Scotland & Nothern Ireland) it become 2 years ( people obtain the nationality with 2 years in Gilbraltar). So it can very easy to exploit this in a way.
I've been doing the england lower league one, started in september in tier 20 I'm now in tier 8 in 2039, it's not that bad honestly just patience, and a lot like what you said about the international management one, you get a lot done while walking the first 10 leagues
I started a save with a team in the English 15th level, though I haven't completed one season yet (my main save, with Wick Academy keeps calling me!), but the biggest pain for me at that level is simply how long everything takes to process with that many leagues loaded on my PC, which is why I'm still in season 1! Obviously once you start moving up the leagues you can drop lower leagues off the save, but maan, even at level 15, nevermind 20, it's so slow I don't know I'll ever even have the motivation to omplete season 1, and that's not even a football manager challenge, it's just a pure patience challenge!
Did the minnows save with Gibraltar (Mons Calpe as the club) on FM23 - signed English players who nationalised after 2 years and got the national team to the Euros & World cup - took about 25 years tho... Won the champs league a couple of times too!
i genuinely believe the youth ratings don’t matter when ur managing a small nation. i managed fc andorra (la liga 2) and andorra and had them in the world cup quarters by 2030. didnt have world beaters but had very good players at the likes of fiorentina, villareal, west ham etc. all except one of my national team (all developed at fc andorra except 1 gk) was in a top 7 league. i reckon if u got that sammarinese club to serie a and improved facilities being a team around the level of poland or chile is very possible, and with good tactics could even compete for trophies
funny story, i actually took irn bru rangers to a back to back championship in hong kong. At the time they were just called hong kong rangers, but it's the same team. it's not the most amazing league since it's very amateurish, and i don't like many player restrictions, but i had plenty of fun training them.
My most recent save I started as Ballymacash in the 3rd tier of Northern Irish football. Managed to get to the cup final in my first year. Lost that obviously. Because all of your players are part time, they can leave at any time. I lost the first choice keeper in the first month because another team were prepared to pay him £50 a week.
Ive started with no badges but sunday league footballer. At Fukushima as my first team and trying to win the AFC champions league then try and move on to win the pentagon. Been a grind but its so much fun starting in J3
I started the no badges journeyman thing. Have ended up at Bilbao During this the hardest thing was working with LA Galaxy. The rules of the US system are utterly unfathomable
San Marino Challenge might be practically impossible, it has never been done as of yet and given how brutal world cup is + it being every 4 years, the only way to complete it might be to grind a save to a few hundred years into the future just to finally get lucky with the match rng.
Before watching I thought the intro would be something like "If you're waiting for FM25, try these saves, maybe by the time you finish the game will come out, or GTA VI"
1. is tough but I do believe it can be done. I still have an FM13 save going and its San Marino/San Marino. It was a downloaded database that has the SM League system (absolutely no value) and from memory players could apply to become SM after 5 years I think. I have played other FMs since but that save cannot be deleted, every so often, probably 2 years ago the last time. I get FM13 installed again and play the save file again. I cannot bring myself to delete it. San Marino club is in a great state, its wealthy, routinely making the CL but relies on foreign players. There is a catalogue of (non international capped) players that have been with the club for years where I hope they decide to play for San Marino - majority have been in the country long enough but see no interest but every so often a player does switch to San Marino - I have begun to look forward to those days more than my own birthdays. Back in FM13 there wasn't any asking players to switch nations they just decided via a message that they took up the nationality and available to be picked. There is a couple of players that came through the youth academy (where all my money would be ploughed into) in the hopes of getting youth players good enough to drag the national team up. The national team... Not so good, some wins against fellow minnows, some draws that felt like wins and some absolute hammerings along the way, never been sacked by either. I actually think its been 2 years since I last loaded it because we had a youth intake come through at the club with a star, a genuine wonderkid, only problem was he is also Italian and despite him going into my national team squad he left it to wait for Italy (pretty sure last I looked he is 20/21 and still waiting for Italy). He still plays for my club in one of the most bitter relationships (that he doesn't know about) is that I continued to involve him in the first team to have him reach his potential only for it probably to be the benefit of Italy as he could easily make their squad. It doesn't still hurt, honest. I had planned to begin this again in FM25 but FM26 it will be. The more you play the save the more you believe you're getting closer. Might download FM13 again now. Ffs.
Lol this is like the ultimate FM suffering 😂! I tried the no badges challenge once, and wow, the struggle was real. I ended up getting sacked within a month! 😂 But seriously, turning the pain up to 11 sounds like a wild ride. I’m here for it! 🚀💪
I tried it once and got the East Fife job, lost all but 3 games (all draws) and finished dead last in the bottom division, and then made a comeback in the relegation playoff to stay in the actual game, but after winning a few games the next season I was still dead last by a mile so i quit and have since deleted the save 😂
@@MrRafting Wanted to say, with very limited means and very limited FM knowledge I got 3rd in the first season. Second season I booted Bruno out for 160M to the middle east.
Im actually really tempted to try the Coupe de France challenge with a team from as far away as possible. New Caledonia seems to be the best bet, then instead of a team from the capital, Nouméa, I found Hienghene up in the North East. Looks like there's not much there but a field, trees, a few houses & a wonderful view out to sea! So if i can find a database with that team & league in it then the slog begins 👀
Interestingly for #10, where you say working through the lower leagues trying to find a club that'll fund your badges. I'm currently taking Stafford Argyle from Sunday League (tier 20) to the top. Amazingly, the club were happy to keep sending me on courses and I think I'd topped out at t14 or 15. There must have been some dB bug and they didn't even mind going into debt for it. Debts don't seem to actually matter that much in the bottom leagues. It was interesting
I started a save with Hong Kong U23s after they appeared in Jack's video. They'd never won a league match before. I went and changed history in the first league match, then proceeded to bottle a 2-0 lead in the last 90 seconds of 2nd half stoppage time to draw 2-2 in our 2nd match. Then promptly got crushed in like 7 or 8 matches in a row after that and lost enthusiasm for the save though I still have the file so I could go back to it at some point. The club has now dissolved, so FM24 is your last chance to manage that club.
I guess there's close variations on it in here but surprised at no youth academy challenge in the top 10! It's RNG, forget not signing a load of wonderkids you have to hope the game blesses you and you produce some, otherwise it's pretty tough and long winded. Especially if you don't go from a top 5 nation. I tried one with a side from Northern Ireland and whilst I got to the top end of the local leagues within a decade, pushing up past that into champions league and UCL knockouts is like another 10 years. I ended up stopping for a bit to save my sanity.
If you are in France, you might as well recreate what Calais RUFC of getting to the Coupe de France final as an amateur Team, at least the San Marino one might be done if you play for like 200/300 seasons
I complete the octagon challenge in 18 seasons but the longest and the craziest challenge in the 20th non league team winning champions League. Hunstanton Town! 30 seasons! COVID was a fabulous time😂
Athletik Bilbao light exists at real sociedad (San Sebastian). If anyone is interested.. they'll let you sign some players from elsewhere but once they feel it's enough, even spanish players can become off-limits
I'm currently doing a Lifeban save (cannot buy players) with CS Sedan-Ardennes which is a long fallen giant in France league (won 2 times the French Cup in the 60s) and is now in the 8th division after a bankrupt. Currently 1st in 6th division in 3 years
I feel like as long as you're in a reputable league that can compete in europe (like vaduz) any club challange is possible in my opinion. It's just a matter of patience and time. However any save where you're trying to achieve a major continental/cross-continental success in a country that has less than 100k people in it, those seem near impossible. Or at least if i'd try to attempt them i'd still be stuck in fm24 by the time fm27 comes out, maybe until fm25 is possible who knows
I did the no badges hexagon challenge this year and accidentally ended up at Chivas for CONCACAF and didn't realise I could only sign Mexican players until it was too late
Alright... this is by no means the hardest save... actually one of the easiest ones. But here I present to you: Generational Saves. Use the editor to create a family and maybe add some friends too. And with that, play their entire careers and eventually evolve into managers themselves. I am now in the season 2042/2043 and play myself as manager, after playing as my father who managed me, my younger brother and best friend into absolute stars. And I'm now almost in the phase in which "my own son" will be a professional player. See this as some type of Maldini or Van Bommel save. Mark van Bommel's father-in-law is Bert van Marwijk who is one of the best Dufch managers in history. And now Mark's son Ruben is a talented Dutch player as well. See, now that I'm likely not going to buy FM25... I can enjoy this save from FM23 a bit longer.
Complete the hexagon challenge, but for every continent (except Oceania) you have to win their cup with clubs outside the top 5 leagues of said continent (unless there aren't 6 or less leagues, then it would be outside the top 3, and if there are 3, then outside the top 2) So if someone actually dares to try this, I hope you like Dodoma Jiji in Tanzania
I holidayed an octagon while working on other stuff and somehow never won the club world cup until after 2200 lol Yes the save files are massive by now.
4:18 this is my save for this season. Stonehouse Town (12th tier, and are my local sunday league team, with some friends who play there). In my 15th season at the club (2038/39) im in League One (was in league one in 2036/37 but got relegated on the final day, won league two the season after tho). It is not actually boring tbf, quite fun actuall8y. Hopefully i can get to the prem and win the ucl by 2053 (30 years since start) Edit: Ive also played that save for 22 real life days. (so 528 hours)
Currently doing a Gibraltar challenge of taking Lions Gibraltar to winning the UCL with only players that have to be at least partially from Gibraltar while also trying to nation build to see how far the national team can go… doing well 5 years in got to the semi final of the conference league
Cardiff met uni is such a hard save can't turn pro can't sign anyone and can't offer pro contracts and trying to play in Europe aswell whilst constantly having your best players signed
Win the Champions League as Stevenage, but every player has to have a variation of "Steve" in their name.
Age of Steve
I
AM
STEEEVE
Like the Ross County challenge
Does Steven count? If so how about Stephen?
11 Steve Morrison regens
speaking as someone who has (successfully) done the FC Vaduz challenge - you do not have to win the competitions in consecutive order. it is possible for the Liechtensteiner Cup/Liechtenstein's coefficient to rise to where the cup automatically qualifies for the Europa League. In fact, there was one year where we won the Europa League, and somehow Vaduz and Eschen/Mauren qualified for the CL
Eschen/Mauren in the champions league😂 imagine that in real life
Explanation : Vaduz wins Europa League but doesn't qualify into CL directly : They use Europa League Titleholder Spot.
Since Liechtenstein sends only one representative (which is you), their yearly coefficient will be insanely high and thus Liechtenstein qualifies for one of two countries to gain extra spot in the Champions League. This rule applies after every single direct position is known.
Since you qualified with a direct position (as a titleholder), whoever is in the cup final qualifies indirectly to CL. Cup finalist must be Eschen/Mauren, thus they also directly qualify to the CL.
@@yannickjung6626 they got absolutely walloped but my on loan youngsters played every minute and developed massivelu
Was just thinking, theoretically, if you can find a database playing in any smaller European nation, it should theoretically be possible to raise the country’s coefficient enough to merit CL/EL spots without doing the back to back to back climb. Shoutout Second Yellow Card’s Malta save.
@ yes that’s what happens with the Liechtensteiner cup
"Win with a team of only Strikers" Bros doing the Blue Lock Challenge
What about the 0-0-10 formation 5 strikers drop back when being attacked so a 5-0-5
😂😂😂😂
@@declangaming24 Sounds a perfect tactic - where is the tactic to download! :)
@@KingofWolvesii you just manually adjust the positions and sign 10 strikers sell the rest of the squad apart from the GK and strikers center forwards are fine as they count as strikers. Set 5 strikers to drop back on defense preferably ones with strength, pace 5 are your attacking players so pace, strength, dribbling, passing ect. Your GK should be on sweeper
have all forwards be Complete Forwards... it's in their name, they're complete. whole package. definitely a perfect fit for a 10 striker team 🤣
For FM25, the double Hexagon Challenge the men's and women's version of each, if you want add in both Club World Cups.
you mean FM26
@@SongofIceandTea No, they meant FM25, because they're still going to release FM25 due to legal issues if they don't. FM26 could return to the normal release schedule, but I doubt it.
@@amethyphoenix His point was about international management I believe. Can't do the octagon challenge without international trophies
@@ISolarOG You can still do it in FM24 though, since FM25 isn't due for 5 months. And 5 months is longer than you think.
@@amethyphoenix Yes but if you read the original post he is talking about FM25
I am currently on the 20 level English league marathon with Stafford Argyle and also started as a Sunday league player with no coaching badges at 19 years old.
I'm currently in the Vanarama National League South/North after 15 years. All these without no in-game editor or edit at all.
AND it's never boring
I have played with British Airways FC from 10th tier (right now I am in Championship) and for me 10th to 4th tier was the most fun experience. I have to say though, that getting promoted from there really sucks and is awful, because I like playing with small budget, but lack of reputation doesn't allow me to sign ANYONE. Lack of budget is fun, lack of reputation, not really when you get to pro level.
These saves are always the best cos I end up with some guy who played with me in non league who's still playing when I make it to the premier league
can u please help me with finding the face and logo packs because i am doing a save with bury and i dont have any faces or logos
@@blocky_8799 can u please help me with finding the face and logo packs because i am doing a save with bury and i dont have any faces or logos
@@ScoutTommy111 I need this so fucking bad too
I've managed to qualify for the World Cup with Cuba and Fiji. Beating New Zealand 3-1 away with Fiji to qualify has been my favourite moment in FM for years.
What an incredible achievement fr. The scenes when you beat New Zealand must have been legendary 🎉
@axelgonzalez2806 I think I was in shock tbh. Spent about 5 mins just looking at the score after the full time whistle 😂
Change the in-game language to match the country you’re in and do every press conference yourself. Suddenly «It’s all greek to me» gets a whole new meaning 😅 Makes for an interesting save where tactics might not be the main problem.
The Athletic Bilbao ‘challenge’ has been the only save I enjoy every year for about 8 years, it broke my normal enjoyment of the game. I now only enjoy playing as Athletic Bilbao, I try to do other saves but they are boring, sign a bunch of players for millions, dominate, move on to a better club etc…boring. Also Bilbao have an incredible youth academy so it’s always great to fall in love with your generational regens.
Maybe you should give the Youth Academy Challenge a go, you would get basically the same experience but with any other club
One pretty hard save is to win the FIFA Club World Cup with a team from the fifth division of the Paulista Championship. You need a custom database that has the entire Brazilian football system, with all clubs in the state championships.
So, there some things that make this challenge incredibly difficult. First, all the teams not in the first division of the Paulista Championship are not in the national league, so you only got like 3 to 4 months of football in a season, which means you can't sign players for long contracts as they will drain the club's resources without any income once the championship stops. Second, you need to qualify for the national league, which can be done by winning the Paulista Cup. You can go all the way to the first division of the Paulista Championship and even win it, you'll get nowhere. You need to win the Paulista Cup, which you only qualify for once you get to the third division, and getting to the third Paulista division is hard enough on its own, as only two teams get promoted each season. Third, once you get to the national league, you enter the fourth division, and you have to survive on a budget. 64 teams qualify, only four teams get promoted, the ones who get to the semifinals. The rest, the other 60? They all get cut, unless they qualify again via their own state rules, they will not continue in the national league. Oh and you do that on a budget, once you start advancing the stages you get to face teams who are farther away from you, which means travel costs go up and you get less training days. Once you get to the third division of the national league, you also gotta survive, because the level gap is huge. So, to recap:
1) Get to the third Paulista division;
2) Win the Paulista cup;
3) Get promoted immediately from Série D to Série C;
4) Now you go all the way up to Série A, to the Libertadores, win it, and then win the FIFA Club World Cup.
This save takes a long time, but it's not boring like climbing the English pyramid because every competition is a meat grinder level of difficulty. You may have an easy time during the first season because you'll get players while many clubs in the same division will have grey players, but that's only during the first few rounds, once you get to the knockout stages, you'll face other teams the same level as yours.
Now, why did I pick the Paulista state Championship as the hardest if São Paulo is the state with the most clubs in the Brazilian national league AND the wealthiest state? Shouldn't it be harder with a team from Acre or Amapá? Not really, because all the state championships qualify teams to the national league, so if you're in Acre, you have a direct way to qualify for the national league, only need to win the Acre state Championship, if you're in Maranhão you only need to be second place in the state championship. The only exception is São Paulo, as you cannot qualify through the state championship, you need to win the state cup, which is a lot harder, and it's the only state with 5 divisions in its championship. So you have a longer run and no direct way to qualify.
Hardest save = Saving my marriage
Hard take: uninstall FM
Simple:
Utilise loans & buy a few South American wonder kids to keep your wife/husband happy
Reload and marry again
I get u man
Ah, the impossible SYS challenge that Z has been looking for.
Suddenly thought of this whilst watching - the Pentagon Challenge, but with university teams. So basically you’re only allowed to play with university teams from each confederation and win their Champions League. CONCACAF’s gonna be a cakewalk with either UANL or UNAM but things will start to get challenging in Europe - you’ll only get to manage teams such as Cardiff Metropolitan University or Universitatea Craiova etc. And don’t get me started on the other confederations 😅
Craiova would actually be a good club by these challenges standards, they are one of the best clubs in Romania and a normal professional club with the only connection to the university being the name/historical sponsorship, depends on how lax your definition of “university team” is. To make it extra hard you can go for “teams that are actually still owned by universities”, which I believe Cardiff Met and UNAM are, idk if there are enough of those to go around though
@@edi0157 Ucd afc might better than Cardiff
@@Nonmaster99 oh yeah, them too
there are even 2 of the Uni Craiovas :D
Loughborough University play in the Northern Premier League if you want a bit of a challenge
been in my no badges / no experience / octagon* challenge era in my current save and i've been having an absolute blast, been through new zealand, tunisia, egypt, south korea, MLS, and currently boca juniors and senegal national boss. i wouldn't say it's been _hard_ per se but definitely a great antidote to just sticking at one club and building a wonderkid super team
*it was a hexagon challenge until national teams started blowing up my inbox for interviews
For Hex/Octagon saves do you preload leagues from all continents in the initial database or do you start adding and removing leagues as you get ready to switch to a new continent? I'm keen to try this challenge but worried the huge database will just make the game too slow.
@@chrisvanegmond3157Ive never done it but I play casually on a laptop I use for university files/work so I'd probably only load them in as view only until I'm a season or 2 away from being ready to move
In my Lille save in FM22, I think it was Club Franciscain that made to the quarter finals of the Coupe de France. I even googled it to see if they'd play in Europe if they won and didn't find any answer. If I had drawn them I probably would have thrown the match just to see what happens.
I won it once with a club outside of France we weren't eligible for the European competition we where a club from new Caledonia.
just because you win a cup doesn't mean you qualify for Europe, your league placement in the first division decides that, generally the first 4 qualify with the league with the best 5 year coefficient getting a 5th place to qualify, don't really know how Euro League and conference League is handled but I suppose similar
@@lp.shakur Some cup competitions qualify you for the lower European competitions, as is mentioned in the FC Vaduz section of this very video
@@lp.shakur
Most National Cup Competitions qualify you for European Cup competitions.
Except that there is one rule here that is often overlooked: the club needs to be professional.
@@WritingGeekNL yeah but it's only for Euro League, I forgot it was the Cup of Cupwinners before it got renamed, Champions League is only League placement, that's why United is playing EL this season, they won their cup despite being 8th in their League
The San Marino Challenge can be made even harder by playing as a club in the Sammarinese Division instead of the Italian League system. This adds the challenge of building the nation and league rep high enough that good players want to play for your club. Also if you play through the Italian Leagues, its slightly easier as the club will gain rep much faster when winning any competition in that system compared to the Sammarinese competitions.
In my opinion, the hardest possible save has to be picking up an amateur team from the lowest division from some place like Vanuatu or Samoa (OFC), Bhutan, Macao, Mongolia (AFC), or similar countries in Asia or Oceania, winning the continental champions league AND then winning the Club World Cup. I have been trying it and still haven't managed to complete it. I don't know if it's actually possible. Right now I'm creating a Macau DB and I'll try again with FC Porto (MAC) - an amateur club from Macau with the same name as Portugal's Porto, but absolutely no ties to the portuguese team.
No connection to the football team, but it becomes pretty clear why there is a Porto in Macau when you consider 400 years of portuguese colonialism lool
FM Llama had done a Mariana Islands NT save back in FM21, ahh my favourite series ever.
@@LiftandCoa That's true! And there also are a Benfica and a Sporting as well.
@@johnaarson i signed a player from Benfica(MAC) in the third tier of Japan today!
@@craigford2092 Haha, love the coincidence! It's not easy to find decent players in Macau, even if it is for the quality level of J3 League. Honestly, well done!
So I inadvertently stumbled into one of the hardest saves around. When the January update first released I started a new Journeyman save with poor rep, I was applying to jobs in tiny leagues, some u21 teams, and highest wage offered was a team in the Chinese National First Division (2nd tier). I took it without looking at the team, which turned out to be beyond foolish.
Dalian Professional - and this isn't the only Chinese team in this situation due to their footballing financial crash - is a club that no longer exists. It went under IRL, despite starting 2023 in this league. Therefore, you take over a club with 0 transfer budget, 0 staff, and a first team of auto generated players and some under 18s. I honestly have no idea how long it would take to grow a club that technically shouldn't exist. And then after seasons of grinding and free loans have to battle the super league juggernauts with teams of recognisable players. I would love to see someone attempt this
I play Vaduz in the FM 23 and if you're consistent enough you can push it to the Europa League spot (so the winner of the cup has an automatic spot there). It takes time but it's possible at least in FM23. It only takes to put Lichtenstein at no. 8 in the national club ranking and you have a play-off spot.
The Vaduz save is actually a lot easier now because you only need a decent conference league run to qualify for the champions league on the new coefficient rules since there’s only one club in Europe for Liechtenstein your coefficient is only divided by 1
But since theres no league in Liechtenstein how does the place get given out? Would it go to the cup winner or what?
@@joelmacinnes2391 Yes it goes to the cup winner since they’re considered the top ranked team that did not qualify. It’s happened to me in my Vaduz save
For me the hardest part of any save is leaving my team behind.
I always load in a massive number of leagues only to then stay at the same team for the whole save anyway.
I made my second ever Save a mix of These things and the increased realism keeps me glued to my chair Every time i start the Game
1. starting in the 7th german Division with no badges (originally as a journeyman Save)
2. ending up in Latvia
3. beeing restricted to 14 non latvians in my Team (where 3 latvians having to Play at all times) because of league restrictions
4. taking over the latvian national Team to develop the Nation and Lead them to a EUROS / WC Qualification
5 having the Main Transfer window in the Winter where you can Not Register a Lot of new Players for Europe.
I do this since FM 23 and will Port the Save to FM25 if there is the possibility. I am in the year 2078
A few suggestions:
The Brexit Save - you can only sign and play players from England, Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales.
The GeoSwitch Save - swap Merthyr and TNS around (to make it more accurate, you could move TNS to either the Northern Premier League or Southern League Midlands Premier and then re-jig the Step 3 leagues) and try to win the Welsh Premier League with Merthyr or get TNS into the Football League.
The GeoSwitchNL Save - move Berwick Rangers to the Northern League Division 2, and try to get into the Football League in 15 years.
The Divine Intervention Save - Win the World Cup... as manager of the Vatican City.
As someone from Hong Kong, I'd also like to point out that the HK U23 team no longer exists. It only ever won 3? games in competition in its several years of existence. So uh.... have fun! I'm tempted to try it, to be frank.
11:30 Should be noted that these overseas territories are part of France in a similar way to Alaska. French Guyana can vote for the French president, has 2 seats in the French parliament (despite their size they only have 500k people) and stuff like that. You would also call Hawaii a part of the US.
Well...to be technical, they'd more be like Puerto Rico and American Samoa then Alaska or Hawaii. Alaska and Hawaii are states, the others are territories.
@@spsawyer22 Nope French Guyana is a state of France.
@@DGAMINGEN I did not know that. I thought they were classified differently.
@@spsawyer22 I compare them to Alaska because they have voting members of Congress.
Technically they are called overseas but it's not comparable to US overseas territories that can't vote for president or have voting Congress members.
Petition for Zealand to play the hardest save on stream until FM25 comes out
5:00 I was doing a save with a 7th Spanish division team and I can confirm it was super boring at first, once I got players we just won everything until 4th division. Those players were actually 4th division level.
yeah needed these ideas until fm 26
I'm happy to have completed the second hardest challenge ❤
I did it with CSC de Cayenne in French Guiana! We won the UCL after many years. It was the toughest, but most rewarding save I've ever completed :D
So you do qualify for Europe?
@@donovanpetschi497 i had to make some adjustments in the database, but once I did and won the Coupe de France we qualified for the Europa League. We'd have a lot of on / off seasons, but once we won Europa League we were essentially fighting for the Coupe de France every season.
@@BassyBoy could you explain how you did it? I've tried making the nation part of the EU but have been unsuccessful.
@@emmanuelrobert782 its not about making the nation EU, you could obviously do that for player registration rules, but what matters is in the coupe de France there are teams who've been removed from qualifying (as you will struggle with the confederations). So in the pre game editor you need to remove the restriction in the coupe de France for your Nations clubs. It's quite tedious.
I didn't realise that we would also play in the NA tournaments at first, so at some point we played both Champions League and CONCACAF champions league. We won both that year and our club got 2 spots at the club world cup where the semi final was Cayenne vs Cayenne 🤣
@@BassyBoy i see! Ive sent you an email you listed on your channel. If you could guide me through, id highly appreciate it 🙏🏻
I always put my experience to Sunday league and no coaching quals because that’s real life. Wanted to journeyman my way to the top.
Started off with Chorley in the Conference North.
2425 Chorley - Won promotion
2526 Tranmere - Conference 12th
2627 Tranmere - Won Promotion to L2
2728 Tranmere/Swansea - left Tranmere sat 1st in L2 and placed 15th with Swansea saving them from relegation from December
2829 Fulham - left Swansea end of the year. Kept losing out on signings and decided to jump ship. Went to Fulham who had just been been promoted to EPL. Sacked after 10 games
2930 - left club football and became Japan national manager. Won the comp against HK, SKorea, China. Knocked out by Norway Rnd 16 WC.
3031 - became France national manager and became Bolton Wanderers manager in Championship finished 16th
3132 - still managing national/club level. Can’t imagining leaving Bolton now my French national team wage is propping up my income. Might have found a club I want to take to the top. And close to Chorley where I started. The location suits my imaginary FM family 😂
That intro alone earned the like, I have about 5 mins FM experience but I'm onboard! BRING ON NUMBER FOUR
FM is hard until you learn how to "game" the game and what in effect is OP in the match engine. FM is hard mainly as a beginner because of the flood of information that comes at you
It's less an issue of the game being hard and getting good and more simply digesting and understanding all the different screens and what you need to do on a macro level. Even basic tasks like learning that you can allocate roles to staff
Uh huh.
Let’s see your Belize World Cup win then.
I’ve got one at the moment where I’m Middlesbrough and I’m giving myself 5 seasons until I have to play a team full of players that come through my Youth Academy!
I’m in season 3 now, won the Championship first season and got a couple of decent regens, a central midfielder and a goalkeeper, the rest look like they won’t be Premier League level. Season 2 I got 3 players who look like they have potential, 2 right wingers and a 5ft 10” centre back - as you do - and now in season 3 I’m hoping for a more balanced intake.
I’m trying to finish as high up as I can, (finished 8th in the PL season 2), trying to sell players for profit and sign players cheaply so that I have the finances to get the board to invest in Youth Recruitment, Junior Coaching and Youth Facilities to help me get the most out of my young players, as well as trying to convince the board to allow me to sign more U18 coaches to again help those players progress into the first team.
With the idea being that, after Season 5 is done, I’ll sell all of the players who I’ve signed who are non-Regen players from my own Youth Academy, and from that point on I’ll not spend a single penny on transfers and try to win the Premier League and Champions League with my own Academy Regens only.
For me, that is a pain in the arse but it’s also one that I feel will be incredibly rewarding if/when it happens
Challenge accepted. I started the San Marino challenge a few weeks ago but downloaded the SM league so I'm managing outside of Italy... So should add to the fun of winning the CL with a minnow league 😅
I guess #3 would be made even HARDER by choosing another club from Liechtenstein that's not Vaduz🤔
Extra hard Lichtenstein challenge:do it with a B team (they play the Lichtenstein cup too)
Thinking some combo of minnow to the WC and Vaduz challenge but I agree, doing it with a club besides Vaduz seems more fun. I guess if you’re doing the grow a minnow your hope is to grow your nation coefficient as well
@@eleana8223 that s the thing, the coefficient doesn’t matter for Lichtenstein as they are locked in to only one representative afaik, might help in terms of where you start in the Conference League after winning the cup though idk
Yeah, that's like playing on easy mode 😝
you wigle your head back and forth SO MUCH in this one! check around 11:30 and you'll never unsee it LOVE
that was kinda hard to watch...
I'm playing a San Marino save right now. Obviously not completed, but I feel it's pretty good so far. Won Serie C & Serie B in Italy back to back, got to Serie A and managed to stay in. With some smart free transfers I managed to become a more than decent mid-table team and even won the Cup. In the meantime I also had 3 amazing youth intakes (especially for the national team, because my top talents all were from San Marino). I decided to throw around my tactic so my most talented player could become a starter (3 CAM's + 2 CM's). Right now he's valued €28M, wanted by Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona. If a good bid comes in, I'm letting him go so another talent can take his place (both play CAM/CM naturally, and one player keeps the other out of the squad). The national team, which I also manage, is ranked 99th. Less than 2 years ago I was still ranked 183th. Too bad my youth intake the last 3 years has been terrible, because I right now have a handfull of Serie A quality players, but the others aren't up to their level. Also: no editor used, because I don't have that option
San Marino CAN occasionally pop out a 130-170 PA player in their youth intakes. So I'd imagine you just have to RNG yourself into 2 or 3 of those in a row to have any sort of chance.
The main danger (though your save would mitigate it) is a lot of those players will also have Italian nationality.
@spsawyer22 I've had one player that refused to play for me, ultimately got called up for Italy U19. And from the moment he got too old for the U19's and didn't get a call for the U21's he accepted it. So now I have 2 Serie A quality CAM's in my team, 2 Serie B quality CM's, and a GK and CB of Serie B quality. The oldest of the bunch is 21 so I hope they still grow a bit
Winning the Clampion's Leage and the second tier national league in the same season should be on the list.
5:36 I wanna see some Zealand CK3 Safes
@@creyx999 you re in luck, he does play that on stream too! You can see the episodes on his Zealand Live channel
i watched some on his live channel
I think this warrants another 10 points from Everton, think before you post next time Zealand.
Back in the Championship Manager days, my dad, who was in his 60's played 50 seasons with Liverpool. :)
The FC Vaduz save isn't quite like that... once you earn some good coefficient in Europe the Liechtensteiner cup can get UCL qualification. The issue then is that 2nd place also makes Europe and tanks the coefficient. But over time they go away and suddenly you can get straight to the UCL again.
I'm started my save as a no badges to glory save but got an offer by Vaduz, I always had the plan to try a Vaduz (Bilbao style) once, so I combined them, I'm currently in 2035 and made the CL for the first time
Octagon Challenge? OCTAGON?!
I have tried the Tetradecagon Challenge! Last time I tried it was FM20.
Basically, it's a Pentagon challenge with extra plus everything. You need to win the continental champions league at every continent:
Europe, Asia, South America, North America, Africa.
To the challenge they've added Oceania as well. So you have to win 6 champions league.
You also have to succeed as an international manager. You have to win:
European Championships, AFC Nations Cup (Asia), Copa America (South America), Concacaf Gold Cup (North America), CAF Cup of Nations (Africa) and OFC Nations Cup (Oceania).
That's 12 competions you need to win. Oh yeah, you need to win this as well:
FIFA World Cup - FIFA Confederations Cup - FIFA World Club Championships
So that's 15 in total. In one save.
You also need to:
- Start off unemployed
- Start off with a Sunday League reputation
Didnt they scrap the confederations cup in 2017?
@@joelmacinnes2391 You are right! I found my FM2017 log on the SI forums, must've had my challenges muddled. I found my WOEFUL attempt at the San Marino Challenge in FM2020.
The Vaduz Save is insane, although you can actually be in CL season in season out due to the 2 new spots that CL offers from season coefficient, it is incredibly hard to boost your reputation and prevent players from leaving. It took me 10 straight years making at least QF of CL and UECL final/winners back to back no boost my REP to Continental (4 stars) and after 20 seasons I still feel there is a long way till i get there
The Chertanovo Moscow save. You physically can't buy or loan anyone.
Just regular no transfers challenge. Besides their academy is pretty good
1. I don't think they are in fm24
2. I think you can buy/loan players that are in other clubs, but came through your academy
or Gimcheon Sangmu in South Korea, this is the club reserved only for a very limited amount of Korean players on military service
To be fair, I think hype for that save has died out because they can't play in the Champions League anymore.
I said it on Twitter, came to the vid to check if he picked it up 😢. I completed it in 2046 in fm22
I've seen a couple of San Marino wonderkids come through in various games I've played, but they always have Italian second nationality and choose to play for them instead. If they're good enough they won't play for San Marino.
I once had a pure sanmarinese wonder kid come through (at a different team). Probably the best player in their history
For the no badges one, to make it harder, i did a create a club and replaced dover who are the worst english team.. i also had no goalkeepers so i had to sign two gks who were greyed out...
I´ve done the one with Bilbao on FM22 (and left a comment about it on twitter) and managed to win 3 consecutive Champions on the last years of my 15 year tenure there. It took me years to even be able to contest la liga. And there is a little cheat: Bilbao can sign any spanish player under 16. So every year I scouted the spanish youth intake, hired the best wonderkids and evolved them at the club for years.
For the minnow challenge, Andorra would probably be the easiest as you could play as FC Andorra (in Spain tier 2 or 3, depending on which year of FM you're playing) alongside the national team, and generate players from their in-club youth system. I was kind of doing this inadvertently with an old save, intending to play as FC Andorra and not as any national team, but kept finding all my youth players getting called up.
A tip for the San Marino challenge: manage Victor San Marino club side in Italy. After 5 years at the club, Italian/international players can gain Sammarinese citizenship. Also develop the youth intake and facilities and you can get some solid regens that hold up on the international level.
About Vaduz - UEFA have no problem with Lichtenstein having a team in the UCL, all they need is a league with 8 teams or more - Lichtenstein have 7 major teams
About San Marino - tried something of that sort in 2014, I got about 3 world class potential players from my youth team
At the age of 18, my 1st prospect decided he will play for Italy and not San Marino
The other two did get to lead the national team to a few results vs. low ranked UEFA teams
And then the save got destroyed and I couldn't continue
I did win the league on that save, though I only had two home grown players in my squad when doing so and both were still U-19
Got to manage Wreham, got promoted every single season, at the end of the 10th season I won the Champions league. Granted, all the success I achieved once I got into the premier league was because of 3 wonderkids that I was lucky enough to grab them. Then I built a solid team and support cast around them, 2 amazing argentinian offensive Mids ( one was the next Maradona !!!) and an outstanding CB that would make Baresi proud.
1 of my fav challanges is (if you can call it) is to only use players that came through your academy and only buy buy players where i reignite their career and then sell them. Of course trying to win champions league
I've done a San Marino challenge. Managed to have them qualify regularly for World cup's and Euro's but sadly never won anything. Vaduz challenge is mandatory for all FM to try once.
im currently slowly working on vaduz and san marino saves on FM 23
@@nicolaswilliams2822 Vaduz can be fun to do with the Liechtenstein job I've found. Only way I was able to get San Marino up was managing a club team from San Marino that played in the Italian system, but depending on what version of FM you have that may be hard to do.
@@blinkusfishus2052 im currently doing it on fm23 for san marino with the san marino league as well
@@blinkusfishus2052 are those clubs even allowed to qualify through the Italian league system or is it like Vaduz? You could also do it with the San Marino league as they do have their own league but that would be even harder without the Serie A/B/C money
Gilbraltar is like the San Marino challenge lite. Yeah you would still have the build the nation and league up. Players who are based in the country for 5 years become eligible for the national team in both nations. Gilbraltar has a bit of a loophole, if the players comes from UK ( England, Wales, Scotland & Nothern Ireland) it become 2 years ( people obtain the nationality with 2 years in Gilbraltar). So it can very easy to exploit this in a way.
I love the Vaduz save! It's probably my favorite save I've ever done
I've been doing the england lower league one, started in september in tier 20 I'm now in tier 8 in 2039, it's not that bad honestly just patience, and a lot like what you said about the international management one, you get a lot done while walking the first 10 leagues
I started a save with a team in the English 15th level, though I haven't completed one season yet (my main save, with Wick Academy keeps calling me!), but the biggest pain for me at that level is simply how long everything takes to process with that many leagues loaded on my PC, which is why I'm still in season 1! Obviously once you start moving up the leagues you can drop lower leagues off the save, but maan, even at level 15, nevermind 20, it's so slow I don't know I'll ever even have the motivation to omplete season 1, and that's not even a football manager challenge, it's just a pure patience challenge!
Bilabo save this year for me has been one of the most fun saves I have ever done. 2032 and still not won La Liga but also not fired yet
Did the minnows save with Gibraltar (Mons Calpe as the club) on FM23 - signed English players who nationalised after 2 years and got the national team to the Euros & World cup - took about 25 years tho...
Won the champs league a couple of times too!
Can't wait for the next one!
I’ve been meaning to play in New Caledonia for a while - this is inspiring me to do it
i genuinely believe the youth ratings don’t matter when ur managing a small nation. i managed fc andorra (la liga 2) and andorra and had them in the world cup quarters by 2030. didnt have world beaters but had very good players at the likes of fiorentina, villareal, west ham etc. all except one of my national team (all developed at fc andorra except 1 gk) was in a top 7 league. i reckon if u got that sammarinese club to serie a and improved facilities being a team around the level of poland or chile is very possible, and with good tactics could even compete for trophies
funny story, i actually took irn bru rangers to a back to back championship in hong kong. At the time they were just called hong kong rangers, but it's the same team. it's not the most amazing league since it's very amateurish, and i don't like many player restrictions, but i had plenty of fun training them.
My most recent save I started as Ballymacash in the 3rd tier of Northern Irish football. Managed to get to the cup final in my first year. Lost that obviously. Because all of your players are part time, they can leave at any time. I lost the first choice keeper in the first month because another team were prepared to pay him £50 a week.
The Jock Stein Celtic Challenge.
Win the champions league with a squad made up of players all born within 25 miles of your club
Ive started with no badges but sunday league footballer. At Fukushima as my first team and trying to win the AFC champions league then try and move on to win the pentagon. Been a grind but its so much fun starting in J3
I'm glad to hear my way of playing is basically in the top 10 of hardest way to play FM.
I started the no badges journeyman thing. Have ended up at Bilbao
During this the hardest thing was working with LA Galaxy. The rules of the US system are utterly unfathomable
San Marino Challenge might be practically impossible, it has never been done as of yet and given how brutal world cup is + it being every 4 years, the only way to complete it might be to grind a save to a few hundred years into the future just to finally get lucky with the match rng.
Before watching I thought the intro would be something like "If you're waiting for FM25, try these saves, maybe by the time you finish the game will come out, or GTA VI"
1. is tough but I do believe it can be done. I still have an FM13 save going and its San Marino/San Marino. It was a downloaded database that has the SM League system (absolutely no value) and from memory players could apply to become SM after 5 years I think. I have played other FMs since but that save cannot be deleted, every so often, probably 2 years ago the last time. I get FM13 installed again and play the save file again. I cannot bring myself to delete it. San Marino club is in a great state, its wealthy, routinely making the CL but relies on foreign players. There is a catalogue of (non international capped) players that have been with the club for years where I hope they decide to play for San Marino - majority have been in the country long enough but see no interest but every so often a player does switch to San Marino - I have begun to look forward to those days more than my own birthdays. Back in FM13 there wasn't any asking players to switch nations they just decided via a message that they took up the nationality and available to be picked. There is a couple of players that came through the youth academy (where all my money would be ploughed into) in the hopes of getting youth players good enough to drag the national team up. The national team... Not so good, some wins against fellow minnows, some draws that felt like wins and some absolute hammerings along the way, never been sacked by either. I actually think its been 2 years since I last loaded it because we had a youth intake come through at the club with a star, a genuine wonderkid, only problem was he is also Italian and despite him going into my national team squad he left it to wait for Italy (pretty sure last I looked he is 20/21 and still waiting for Italy). He still plays for my club in one of the most bitter relationships (that he doesn't know about) is that I continued to involve him in the first team to have him reach his potential only for it probably to be the benefit of Italy as he could easily make their squad. It doesn't still hurt, honest.
I had planned to begin this again in FM25 but FM26 it will be. The more you play the save the more you believe you're getting closer. Might download FM13 again now. Ffs.
Lol this is like the ultimate FM suffering 😂! I tried the no badges challenge once, and wow, the struggle was real. I ended up getting sacked within a month! 😂 But seriously, turning the pain up to 11 sounds like a wild ride. I’m here for it! 🚀💪
I tried it once and got the East Fife job, lost all but 3 games (all draws) and finished dead last in the bottom division, and then made a comeback in the relegation playoff to stay in the actual game, but after winning a few games the next season I was still dead last by a mile so i quit and have since deleted the save 😂
Hardest save: Doing well in a season with man u
😂😂😂
Wrong. FM overrates their players so they're always challenging for the title
@@MrRafting Wanted to say, with very limited means and very limited FM knowledge I got 3rd in the first season. Second season I booted Bruno out for 160M to the middle east.
I kid you not
I think building a nation is easier than managing United
@@sie11pervan yep, and even Zealand showed that one Fifa creator who, I think, got top 3 with man utd while he was learning how to even play FM
Im actually really tempted to try the Coupe de France challenge with a team from as far away as possible.
New Caledonia seems to be the best bet, then instead of a team from the capital, Nouméa, I found Hienghene up in the North East. Looks like there's not much there but a field, trees, a few houses & a wonderful view out to sea!
So if i can find a database with that team & league in it then the slog begins 👀
Interestingly for #10, where you say working through the lower leagues trying to find a club that'll fund your badges. I'm currently taking Stafford Argyle from Sunday League (tier 20) to the top. Amazingly, the club were happy to keep sending me on courses and I think I'd topped out at t14 or 15. There must have been some dB bug and they didn't even mind going into debt for it. Debts don't seem to actually matter that much in the bottom leagues. It was interesting
as someone who has won the world cup with gambia to you zealand i say "hold that"
I started a save with Hong Kong U23s after they appeared in Jack's video. They'd never won a league match before. I went and changed history in the first league match, then proceeded to bottle a 2-0 lead in the last 90 seconds of 2nd half stoppage time to draw 2-2 in our 2nd match. Then promptly got crushed in like 7 or 8 matches in a row after that and lost enthusiasm for the save though I still have the file so I could go back to it at some point. The club has now dissolved, so FM24 is your last chance to manage that club.
I guess there's close variations on it in here but surprised at no youth academy challenge in the top 10! It's RNG, forget not signing a load of wonderkids you have to hope the game blesses you and you produce some, otherwise it's pretty tough and long winded. Especially if you don't go from a top 5 nation. I tried one with a side from Northern Ireland and whilst I got to the top end of the local leagues within a decade, pushing up past that into champions league and UCL knockouts is like another 10 years. I ended up stopping for a bit to save my sanity.
Hardest/impossible challenge is attempting to win European silverware with Cardiff Met Uni as they’re hard coded as an amateur team
If you are in France, you might as well recreate what Calais RUFC of getting to the Coupe de France final as an amateur Team, at least the San Marino one might be done if you play for like 200/300 seasons
Just started the Vaduz Challenge.Barely made the Conference League on season 1 but Basel beat me on pens.
I complete the octagon challenge in 18 seasons but the longest and the craziest challenge in the 20th non league team winning champions League. Hunstanton Town! 30 seasons! COVID was a fabulous time😂
Winning the Champions League with a Gibraltarian side and the World Cup with Gibraltar would be the ultimate challenge in my book
1:55 bruh, Southgate and England could literally do this with RB
Number 9 is literally the plot of Blue Lock 😂
Athletik Bilbao light exists at real sociedad (San Sebastian). If anyone is interested.. they'll let you sign some players from elsewhere but once they feel it's enough, even spanish players can become off-limits
I'm currently doing a Lifeban save (cannot buy players) with CS Sedan-Ardennes which is a long fallen giant in France league (won 2 times the French Cup in the 60s) and is now in the 8th division after a bankrupt. Currently 1st in 6th division in 3 years
The world need Zealand playing CK3 on camera
I feel like as long as you're in a reputable league that can compete in europe (like vaduz) any club challange is possible in my opinion. It's just a matter of patience and time.
However any save where you're trying to achieve a major continental/cross-continental success in a country that has less than 100k people in it, those seem near impossible. Or at least if i'd try to attempt them i'd still be stuck in fm24 by the time fm27 comes out, maybe until fm25 is possible who knows
I did the no badges hexagon challenge this year and accidentally ended up at Chivas for CONCACAF and didn't realise I could only sign Mexican players until it was too late
Zealand from 20th league to Champion's League winner as his next save! Maybe he'll finish by the time FM will be done.
Alright... this is by no means the hardest save... actually one of the easiest ones.
But here I present to you: Generational Saves.
Use the editor to create a family and maybe add some friends too.
And with that, play their entire careers and eventually evolve into managers themselves.
I am now in the season 2042/2043 and play myself as manager, after playing as my father who managed me, my younger brother and best friend into absolute stars.
And I'm now almost in the phase in which "my own son" will be a professional player.
See this as some type of Maldini or Van Bommel save.
Mark van Bommel's father-in-law is Bert van Marwijk who is one of the best Dufch managers in history.
And now Mark's son Ruben is a talented Dutch player as well.
See, now that I'm likely not going to buy FM25... I can enjoy this save from FM23 a bit longer.
Complete the hexagon challenge, but for every continent (except Oceania) you have to win their cup with clubs outside the top 5 leagues of said continent (unless there aren't 6 or less leagues, then it would be outside the top 3, and if there are 3, then outside the top 2)
So if someone actually dares to try this, I hope you like Dodoma Jiji in Tanzania
I holidayed an octagon while working on other stuff and somehow never won the club world cup until after 2200 lol
Yes the save files are massive by now.
4:18 this is my save for this season. Stonehouse Town (12th tier, and are my local sunday league team, with some friends who play there). In my 15th season at the club (2038/39) im in League One (was in league one in 2036/37 but got relegated on the final day, won league two the season after tho). It is not actually boring tbf, quite fun actuall8y. Hopefully i can get to the prem and win the ucl by 2053 (30 years since start)
Edit: Ive also played that save for 22 real life days. (so 528 hours)
Was about to start a Bilbao save, but the San Marino challenge without any editor is tempting me 😊
Maybe I can try the same with Malta?
Currently doing a Gibraltar challenge of taking Lions Gibraltar to winning the UCL with only players that have to be at least partially from Gibraltar while also trying to nation build to see how far the national team can go… doing well 5 years in got to the semi final of the conference league
Cardiff met uni is such a hard save can't turn pro can't sign anyone and can't offer pro contracts and trying to play in Europe aswell whilst constantly having your best players signed
Ah, number 9...the Bluelock save. Good times.
Also yes, the Octagon made it in!
Well ze since gt6 will probably be out before fm25, you could give the San Marino challenge a try.