Solving a 3D Sudoku to Flex on 2D Sudoku Solvers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- Actual 3D Sudoku - thankfully much more understandable than 4D Minesweeper or 5D Chess. I mean, it's less D's! Still crazy, but how hard can it really be?
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I love how the timer counts up to 10000 days. As if someone is going to spend over 27 years on this sudoku puzzle
as if someone wont
I would with brute force
@@coleramsey6705 yes
I would cause dumb
Bold of you to assume people are smart
*cri*
the fact that the timer has a FOUR DIGIT DAYS counter shows how complicated this is
How so? Do you expect people to take many years to solve it?
Not really that complicated, just quite time consuming. It's as if you had 9 separate sudoku with the fact you have to check one more direction, which also means you can technically solve ones you might've not been able to solve if they were just simple 9x9, given you have more information at the price of having to check sideways in addition to left and right
@@alticia they could just make... yknow, harder puzzles
@@danielyuan9862 well its just weird that they made the timer limit so high, i guess better to have a high limit
@@alticia 27 interconnected sudokus. (9 each: Layers, faces, columns) OTOH, this puzzle is much simpler than it could have been made. Here, the major complication is the view shifting, with multiple clues found on pretty much every slice before moving on.
I want 5D sudoku with multiverse time travel
Sudoku already has time travel.
Every time I sit down with one, I look up and it’s 2 hours later.
You can make the argument that this is already 5 dimensional (it's at least 4d)
@@oledakaajel interesting... I think standard sudoku is 3D (each number being in a row, column and block). This variation is 6D with each number is in a row, column, line (in the 3rd dimension) and 3 separate blocks in each plane.
@@retrogiftsuk4812 You neglect to consider that the numbers themselves are also a dimension, in which case standard sudoku is 4d counting boxes, 3d without. This variant would have 7 dimensions if boxes counted, or 4 not counting them. Whether you count boxes or not depends on your interpretation of a dimension.
I love that having an active timer on screen really lets you see just how much the editor's little half second cuts add to how watchable the content is
If you like higher dimensional puzzles, you should check out "4D Maze Game" and "Magic Cube 7D".
The former is exactly what it says, a maze in 4 dimensional space, while the latter is a program supporting 12 analogues of higher dimensional Rubik's cubes, ranging from 3^4 to 5^7.
the reason i enjoy watching tyler so much is definitely his skill at puzzle games being way higher than mine, literally the only person i can watch without getting frustrated LMAO
Though cutting out filler or long thinking times definitely helps a lot as well and smoothes over the moments where I figure something out faster. But yeah, definitely wouldn't work if he weren't also really good at them. Watching people that suck at puzzles is sooo frustrating, especially if they make obviously bad assumptions or conclusions and wonder why it seems impossible.
If you like sudoku check out Cracking the Cryptic! They're 2 of the best puzzle solvers in the world, literally world champions
Now we need a playlist of "puzzles with another dimension"
I just want to say, props to the developer of this game. I'm really impressed with how intuitive and clean the UI is, and little details like having the text always facing you no matter what angle you look at it from hugely improves readability. The discrete stepping mechanic is also very useful. Excellent work, dev!
Next up is 3d with killer cages, arrows, thermos, sandwiches, and so forth.
Why? Why would you say such a cursed thing?
I mean, it would be very interesting to solve, but only if you could come up with a nice way to display those extra restrictions. It seems pretty impossible to me.
... wait, now I'm thinking of actual ways to do that. Hm... I might have an idea for the killer sudoku. If only I had the ability to code it, it could actually work.
Maybe have a display similar to this one, but in addition to the number in each cage, you could have extra info telling you how many cells are in the cage and also the sum that's already accounted for in other slices. You'd also need to highlight other cells in the same cage, because they may not be adjacent to each other within any given cross-section. (For example, a 5-cell cage that has the shape of a U-pentomino would have 6 different cross sections across the three dimensions. While five of them would have all cells connected, the sixth would look like two separated cells.) Or just restrict cage-shapes to shapes that don't have any disconnected cross-sections.
Oh god, I wanna see how the folks over at Cracking The Cryptic take on this, it seems a fun and challenging sudoku variant
I didnt know that people that watch aliensrock watches CTC
They've already featured 6x6x6 puzzles, the main issue with larger ones is displaying them nicely. They also really like Sven's sudokupad for solving, with the coloring and multiple note types. Even so, it might be worth telling them about this, because it does have a nice way of displaying the puzzle, even if it doesn't have as many useful features for solving.
I had the exact same thought 😂
@@girly_trickster It's really not that surprising, both do puzzles.
@@UltraLuigi2401 They both do extremely different kinds of content though, but it makes sense
I remember going on my mom's phone when I was younger and accidentally starting sudoku with letters. I then saw this and my brain got an awful idea. A terrible, beautiful, awful idea.
"Make it bigger" it said
Oh dear.
25x25 sudoku.
(26 wouldn't work because it's not a perfect square)
@@jlco remove Y, no one likes Y
@@jlco that's not how squares work
26×26 is still a square
@@mloxard The problem is more the boxes, rather than the rows/columns. I've seen many an 8x8 or 6x6 sudoku, where the boxes are 2x4 or 2x3 in size. They work just fine, but personally it feels neater having them in a perfect square form, so that you can have 5x5 boxes. 26 only really splits one way, 2x13, which feels....suboptimal, when 25 is right there to be had. And that way you can remove whatever letter is most annoying to deal with. i maybe? I dunno, dealer's choice.
Right, I guess non-square boxes would work... but not as well.
I'd recommend removing i or L, since nobody writes in serif font and I/l can be hard to distinguish.
Alternatively, you could use [0-9A-Z] for a 36x36 grid (with 6x6 boxes). And I'm sure someone has made a book of curated hexadecimal sudoku, if only as a compsci joke.
Edit: someone _has_ made a book of curated 36x36 but they didn't use letters??? 16x16 exists in both hexadecimal and decimal forms.
You could also have binary sudoku to accompany your 1x1x2 Rubik's cube, or unary for a 1³ cube (very hard to solve).
...technically isn't any unary sudoku an arbitrary number of dimensions in size, just displayed as 2D? or are they 0 dimensional?
if you put the video at 2x's speed, Tyler becomes 2x's smarter
Big brain move
Which means if I put the video at 0,25x speed, he'll become dumber
but 2 × 0 is still 0?
That's good maths
@@randomloser5271 name checks out
it will help if you dont fill in for just one digit but all the possibility for a particular cell at one time so that you dont have the danger of messing up the logic and less backtracking for logic
I suggest marking numbers on a specific square that shows _all_ possible numbers that can be in that square. Because when you look at cross-sections, you are going to forget some of the squares you marked as candidates for a number.
But even if you didn't, you wouldn't have to look at other cross-sections to confirm that the mark is from that specific area.
the unintentional ploy to farm youtube comments
That is the normal way to use notes. I feared that the way Tyler made notes was risky (and what he said at the end of the video suggests it may have led to some mistakes)
I'm surprised how Tyler started using notes right at the start, rather than looking at each slice and adding the easy to solve numbers. I think that would have sped things up.
Good idea. In this case it's more useful than Snyder notation, because its meaning doesn't depend on what slice you were looking at when you made it and it's easy to combine information from different views.
He's using Snyder notation, it's a sudoku strategy
I love how this video is 22 minutes and 22 seconds. No clue why that’s cool to me, it just is
It might be cool to you because all 4 digits in the time code are the same number, which is unlikely and novel
I would say once you unselect a number from a different slice, you should replace it with a zero, that way you can be sure it is from a specific slice
Tyler: I'm not that great at Sudoku
Also Tyler:
So here's how you solve this
2d Sudoku 81 cells
3d Sudoku 729 cells
Next
4d Sodoku 6561 cells.
Why would anyone do that to themselves....
This could really benefit from Schnider notation. I keep seeing the 2 digit pairs as being exclusive but they're not.
That's actually how I planned it, but if someone wants to use it in other way, who am I to tell them not to do it xD
The funny thing about sudoku is that it gets less difficult the more rules you add. This one is an absolute beast though. 729 numbers in total is a lot to fill when making a single mistake would lock the whole board!
This is easier than regular soduko, no? You can look at it like a bunch of regular sudokus with extra clues
Easier? Maybe. Way way way more tedious? Definitely.
yeah it's easier not gonna lie, it's a lot more tedious though
I think it would be cool if anything you select is in 3d space so that it indicates how many slices down you need to go to find it on a different dimension
I think you can do that with the "3d view" button
It would be really cool if all three directions of clues highlighted when you select a box. That way, you can check for collisions without flipping to a different slice! Might work for the boxes too.
3:45 - Perfect opportunity to use the Pistomaphel Ring
Thank you Cracking The Cryptic
3D Sudoku? Now this is going to be interesting.
Have you seen his 4D sudoku playthrough?
@@gizmosandgadgets5751 it wasn't 4d minesweeper?
@@Airton2 whoops, I forgot
Looks sick, I wouldn't be able to do this myself
INSANE streamer JERMA shoves TYLER into a MEAT GRINDER
This is brutal. My math major friends are going to love this almost as much as they loved 4D Minesweeper
3:48 That looks like a classic phistomophel (I think I butchered that slightly) square pattern, where the 16 squares around the center box are the exact same digits as the 16 cells in the corner 2x2 squares.
these puzzles are not trivial which is seriously impressive, though they are over constrained probably because if they weren't it'd be tedious to solve xD
This game is honestly the perfect way for people to understand how 4d games work. These could be how 3d games are shown in a 2d world, so imagine that that's how 4d games are shown in our world.
A 4d sudoku would add another layer, so it would be this 9x9x9 cube, 9 times, so 9 cubes that can't have the same number in the same position
missed opportunity by the devs to call it Sudokube smh
Hello. I'm the developer. That name was already taken sadly
@@AaronFBianchiJupiter DAMN, RIP 😔
@@AaronFBianchiJupiter Sudocube, one letter off so its different
Feels like it should have a button that just shows you the slice of a given dimension where the highlighted cell is. To avoid having to scroll through to find the other places that intersect when you're trying to find what a clue was for.
The problem with this variant is you start with more than enough information, you just need to keep switching between the right orientations over and over until you solve it. It's complicated and time-consuming, but not difficult from a puzzle standpoint
I love that this exists, but I think it is too big and soupy (very technical term) for any human to enjoy solving more than one of in their lifetime, similar to 4D Minesweeper
I have wanted there to be something like this for years
i am probably not the first to invent it but 3x3x3x3 sudoku works in the space of a regular 9x9. you can't repeat a digit in a given 1x1x3x3 area, which are represented as: rows, columns, boxes, the top/middle/bottom row of all boxes in a column, the left/middle/right column of all boxes in a row, and the same position within all the boxes
Tyler, could you try a 16x16 sudoku? 16x16 is the next number where you would have a non-decimal increase in the 3x3 zone which makes it 4x4. I haven't seen anyone play it and you are the right person for the job!
you know, maybe
While I am decent at Minesweeper, so those videos aren't completely lost on me, Sudoku is my fucking JAM, so I'll be able to fully understand this.
Edit: just finished the video, can confirm it makes perfect sense to me, might try it out myself.
Aliensrock makes me upset that my mind can’t think in 5 dimensions.
It doesn't look that hard, more tedious than anything. It's just a lot of quite easy sudoku that you have to solve gradually all at once.
Love the 3d sudoku probably gonna check it out because I've been doing "nightmare logic" sudoku puzzles
Quick everyone tell Cracking the Cryptic that a new sudoku variant appeared!
Made me laugh, "Unintentionally"
You went from 1.5 to 2.5 hours without ever looking at the 3rd slice? Jesus tyler
I might be a psychopath but I want one of these that doesn't solve with just basics.
I need a Cracking The Cryptic vs. Aliensrock sudoku saga
1:40 you could've already seen that the middle column edges were a 1-8 pair so the middle one is 3
4:44 could’ve placed a 6 and it bothered me because I know I would’ve missed it too
The original video title was
3D Sudoku: Throwing My Brain Into a Meat Grinder
if that matters to anyone.
My compliments and condolences to the editor on this one.
This seems easy to be honest. I love sudokus, and honestly, more info you have, less challenging the sudoku is. This one need a lot of information to work, and this means that it should be easy than a normal sudoku. An example of that are the Samurai Sudokus, combine 5 sudokus usually make the challenge easier, but it takes more time because you need more time to fill everything
now play 5D chess with multiverse time travel
and try to understand *anything*
This has got be more a matter of endurance than of actual puzzle solving. It honestly looks like it would be really relaxing if you didn't have to do it in one sitting.
Imagine the pain if you made an error.
Rather than removing markings, it could be better to be able to mark crossed out numbers instead, so you can see you had previously tried to solve for X, and disproved it. Rather than returning to a blank cell
Your introduction gets better and better xD
Now try minesweeper and sudoku and snake combined and it's 8D.
Your time isn't terrible.
2:37:00 mins for 27 puzzles (28 if you count the overall puzzle) means about 6 min per puzzle which is a great time per puzzle.
“hope you guys enjoyed the pain and suffering”
*flashbacks to celeste 2 years ago*
lmao "you are not a 2, you are a 10! and you know it." first sudoku pickupline i heard ever. 15:39
You should try out some of Cracking The Cryptic's sudoku games!
This looks SO complicated!
Soon Alienrock will be a multiversal god with how many multiversal games he's playing
Aliensrock is arguably the smartest man on earth
I love the minecraft in the background
Wouldn't a 9x9x9 sudoku have numbers up to 27 for each 3x3x3 box
Holy hell, the Creator of the puzzle was like "Sodoku is too easy, let me make it 9x harder"
Only at 1:50 and already malding over Tyler missing the 3 in the center. Box is only missing 347 and center can’t be 4 or 7 from middle column
can't wait for the 4D one
sudoku being 3d is just 2d sudoku with additional hints
I'd love to see the maths for this version, like what's the fewest digits possible for a solvable grid? what's the most digits for an unsolvable one? etc.
I wish you could put pencil marks in red, green, and blue. That would be massively helpful as one could use the colors to indicate in which plane a given pair lies.
I'm a big fan of the new random intros. You never know what to expect
Tyler your so smart I could watch you do puzzles all day
This game should be called Sudokube
cracking the cryptic would love this
I think this is missing 2 things: color coordination and directional markings. It's too easy to just get lost with where your markings even matter with this...
You know what really needs to be a thing? Patrick's Parabox combined with Baba is you. I'm serious. They're both sokoban-based after all. If you could have the words forming to change the rules combined with the infinity effect and other features from both games, it could make quite the puzzle!
LEVEL IS INSIDE LEVEL.
I think someone made a proof of concept of Patrick's Parabox inside Baba Is You using the level editor.
bro your the best youtuber ever
can't wait for 4D sudoku
hey tyler, you probably know but the case of the golden idol, which you played the demo of a while ago, has come out
If jerma ever meet tyler, we would all converted to ground beef
Where did you find this? Is it available to the public?
the fact its not called sudokube is insulting
15:42 I didn't expect a binary joke here, well done
The original title of this vid got me so fuckin hard XD
It was '3D Sudoku: Throwing My Brain Into a Meat Grinder'
It is remarkably how the addition of 1 spatial dimension, going from 2D to 3D, increases the complexity.
Imagine a 4D sudoku...
Going from a 9x9 to a 9x9x9 to a 9x9x9x9...
Bruh my mind is already completely mush at this poinf
Isn’t sudoku already in a sense kind of a 3x3x3x3 grid, where any 2D slice of it (parallel to some coordinate slice, no diagonals) is required to contain the digits 1-9 ?
Well, I guess not quite, because there isn’t a rule that uh, the 9 squares that are in e.g. the top left square of each of the 3x3 marked squares, all be different?
1:11 Gonna try to not read too much into the fact that days has 4 digits (1000 days is just under 3 years)
cracking the cryptic needs to check this out
I haven't even watched the vid and i'm already confused... off to a great start
music = sick.
O god, 3D how do you understand this stuff Tyler
5D sudoku with multiverse time travel
tyler, i'd love to watch this video, but my brain just can't handle it.
0:21 I was able to understand both of those! I'm such a genius
So we really be going back a dimension
This is literally doing sduko but multiple times at once
Oh my gods free curated 3d sudoku I'm downloading this ASAP
Sudoku my beloved! I love it!