Start Collecting: Duchy of Warsaw!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2024
- With the release of the new Perry plastic Poles, we take a look at how to start your new army of these bad boys! It the upcoming Under Eagles to Glory event, this is a perfect 600 point army that you could bring!
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Regarding Poniatowski being on foot I'm guessing (based of the model and the box cover art) that it's meant to refer to a moment from the battle of Raszyn where the prince grabbed a musket from a wounded soldier, chomped down on his pipe and led an infantry counter attack.
Yeah, it's a cool scene (and painting!) But I think mounted is better for command bases
@@NapoleonicWargaming No argument about mounted being better.
@@NapoleonicWargaming If I remember right Alan said on FB that they'll have Poniatowski mounted as part of the metal range with his ADCs and such, so probably he'll be out in a few months with the hussars and gunners
Im so glad Perry Miniatures remembered The Duchy of Warsaw 🥲
I priced out a 15mm Warsaw army made of Old Glory metal figures (the more expensive material) and it is still less expensive than Games Workshop plastic
Morawski miniatures in uk are very Perry compliant metal and lovely
I’ll second that 👍
Hi, you do the intersting way of collecting the Duchy of Warsaw, I do the boring way , £200 then post free Perry deal 3x plastic warsaw deal and one £5 Austrian 8 pounder model using plastic as stand in artillary men . ,then money left over for Murawski Uhlan 16 figure Regiment ,Duchy of Warsaw, but I go over the majic £250.
Thanks to you i,ve ordred Parkfield Miniatures Poles. Your Video of the DUCKS OF WARSAW is great stuff. , for my
Leipzig battles.
That's much more sensible approach 😂
Cheers for this I've ordered both Perry miniatures sets hopefully coming soon
I've asked for Dutch Belgians in the past, but I'm thinking maybe general Anglo Allies in the 100 days would be helpful for us who are looking to add more variety to our Hundred Days collections!
Dutch-Belgians are great in Sharp Practice thanks to the Dutch Courage rule which helps them remove shock. Still building my D-B force, so I field a few Brunswick allies to create an interesting Anglo-Allied army without Brits.
as I recall the DOW cavalry didn't always carry the eagle with them and often left them with the baggage, so if someone really needs to stay under the 125 on the first month that's entirely historically reasonable for them to go without for a bit
Could you do a companion piece on the Vistula legion.
Eagle also do a great range of Polish figures they also sell them individually. I have some of their artillery, guard infantry and characters.
Eagle Figures have been releasing a lot of decent new sculpts, Warsaw being one of them, but Tim isn't a fan of Eagle.
Tbh, they do. I was going to look at their stuff (I'm always open to changing my mind!) But I think theit website is down? I couldn't get it to load on my home or work PC...
@@NapoleonicWargaming the site is up and funnily showing a load of new Vistula legion figures on the opening page with some near commanders.
@nickhindley4295 huh. Very odd! They are definitely an alternative source for those command groups, though they are significantly smaller than the Perries (great for the drummers though!)
@@NapoleonicWargaming their newer models are are equivalent in scale to Perry.
Great video and really helpful tip about Skytrex - my order direct from Murawski took a good while…got a lot of stuff on the go already but as soon as the decks clear I’m starting on the Perry sets 👍
Great stuff Tim. I think there will be a lot of Polish armies at your event! Thanks for the grinder tip - I was wondering about getting one of those. I was thinking about using Victrix French guard lancers for the poles. I think they will work well
They certainly could! The shabraques will need the embossed detail shaving off, but it's not that difficult a job!
Have been waiting for this moment 🎉
First of all, I waited for that video for a long period of time. Finally got it. The Perry's boxes are a good option and I think it will be similar to their 44 figures French infantry boxes. Yes, there will be flags. Front Rank eagles are a very good option. If we are talking about cavalry, I would wait for Perry's figures or take the Front Rank regiment deal. The Russians are wrong in a few aspects: Czapka is totally different and horse equipment is totally different. You don't need the banners for cavalry, they all had different peanons on their lances. I know, that the Perry's Uhlans will be available very soon ;) One inaccurate information in your video. Vistula Legion had a French pattern eagle, not Polish. There are more options for Poles. One of them is 3D prints of Polkowski Miniatures. Very historically accurate. They have infantry, uhlans and soon all kinds of artillery: horse, field and regimental.
I wasn't sure the Vistula had eagles at all. I mentioned the Swiss as being the only foreign troops to have the French eagle
@@NapoleonicWargaming Yes, they had eagles. It was a French unit, paid with French money, only with soldiers from Poland and soon became an elite unit, part of the Young Guard. I will make a picture and send you via email, how it looks like. I'm not sure, but I think it is in Mesee d'Armee in Paris (I could be wrong on that)For your movie miniature, you used Czapka of the 1st Uhlan Regiment of the Kingdom of Poland (1815-1831), which took part in the Polish-Russian War (1830-31).
Cheers Tim for the video! I’m torn now between these and Ottomans! Curse you ;)
I wish there were one for Westphalia anyhow these are pretty helpful
I did one for Saxony, and I don't think West phalanx would be *too* different, but I will deffo put a Westphalian vid on the list to make!
Very Cool@@NapoleonicWargaming
with the perry infantry box set coming with all the headgear, would it be possible to use the Victrix french 1812-15 artillery or is the barding uniform too far off to the polish one?
The cut of tge coat is different, but honestly, no one would ever know! Sounds like a good idea!
Funny thing is that polish chasseurs à cheval used lances like ulans couse the did not have enough carbines
Looks like I'm running out of excuses not to be doing DoW- oh dear....
When will we get one for the scandi countries?
Tentatively summer time
Dont bother getting the Warlord Vistula Legion ones, fellas . They are not accurate. Just a badly packaged French Infantry kit .
They are very poor indeed
Ottomans also became a whole lot easier with the new perry metals
You should also try the ones of league of Asburg because they look very good as well
Miniature Figurines / Matchlock Miniatures has a range of Napoleonic Ottomans.
Perry stuff looks nice,
But won't be getting any
I already have V corp for Borodino
18 battalions, inc battalion guns,
6 batteries, 5+ cavalry regiments
Mostly murawski, old glory, or Elite
Hmmm. For £250 you could get 510 infantry, 120 cavalry and 12 guns from Pendraken in 10mm. Leaves you £14 for staff and flags and a Kit-Kat. 'bout time you looked at 10mm for Napoleonics. Aesthetically far superior IMHO.
Not for me, i like to see the individual uniforms! Each to their own! But I have been enjoying 10mm Warmaster, I've just painted 3k Dark Elf army.
@@NapoleonicWargaming Jings and help-ma-bob! You definitely need to have a go at 10mm. Pendraken are doing a painting competition at the mo. Have a look at some of the entries! [I'm not affiliated tp Pendraken, I just buy a lot of their stuff]
Russians as Polish Uhlans? BLASPHEMY!!!!11111
Might take a few games for them to roll out all those 1's...
@@NapoleonicWargaming Please do.
OUTRAGE !!!!
Whats 600 points ? A Brigade or a Division ? people coming over from warhammer need to start thinking OOB structures of Armies for rules thinking rather than points. Wars were never equal . You can buy the Victrix French Artillery and use the Busbys from the HUssars heads for Horse Artillery ,just paint them green. Their cannons came from the captured Austrians and Prussians
600 points is the limit for our event, but it can be whatever you want it to be! Its basically an infantry division with a cavalry brigade.
The problem with using OOB is A, it's boring af, I want MY army to be MY army, and B if we were to do it realistically you'd need to be at corps level, minimum, to command infantry artillery and cavalry.
For an event to work, we all have to have armies that are roughly balanced.
It doesn't matter if player comes from playing 40k or Bolt Action. Points based army list builds are superior in actually getting people in to play the bloody game.
I mean, you already have the massive barrier that the majority of wargamers just aren't interested in history. Then you have the second big barrier that formation based games have is the rules are fairly vague in a lot of situations. Black Powder is a very guilty of this as the writers wrote it for them to play with for their gaming set up, not really caring that most people can't play at the scale they play the game at. So, if you have a smaller gaming setup, that's for you to figure out how to manipulate the rules to suit you, adding more work for potential players to deal with.
Third, the amount of models you need to start playing is pretty big. Almost double any other game out there, making it a fairly costly game to invest time into if you want more than one brigade.
Once you get past all of these hurdles and they want to start planning out an army they find the one thing that every usually game has, unit points and a force organization of some kind, doesn't exist because "you're not supposed to use points. You're supposed to do extra research and find an actual OOB from history to base your army on."
Sure, wars and battles weren't necessarily equal and that's a fair point to make. Though I would counter that 40k, with it's points system, isn't equal. There are very clearly stronger armies in that roster compared to others and the points system doesn't make them balanced at all. Bolt Action is far from an equal game and it uses a points system. So that argument doesn't hold water with me. It's just people adding an extra barrier to entry that the game simply does not need.
A points system is just a handy way for players to arrange a game without making it an event. Sometimes its just fun to build army lists, trying to see if how many points you can shave to squeeze in an extra Guard battallion, or just building a themed army list around a certain scenario, what synergies can you do under a tight points limit, all the while unburdened by this notion that you need to look up what regiments fought where, who commanded them, in who's division and so on.
I don't get why Black Powder era wargaming has this problem with playing semi-ahistorically. Bolt Action players don't care if their accurate. Ancient and Medieval era players don't really care because what does it matter? A Roman vs Carthaginian fight is always fun to play. A Seleucid Empire fight against Ptolemaic Egypt is fine. One medieval knight vs another medieval knight isn't anything special, nor a Christian warrior vs a Muslim warrior of the era. It's only the period between 1700 and 1914 that seems to have this "you must be 99% historically accurate" mentality.